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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and

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Speaker 2: Buck with you. Buck? What is going on man?

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Speaker 1: Not too much DJ, just you know, rocking and rolling,

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Speaker 1: knocking out these top fives, trying to put together boards.

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Speaker 1: I don't do the top fifty like you do, but

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Speaker 1: I do kind of compule my own list and I'm

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Speaker 1: to the combine so I don't get swayed by some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is hard, man, It is hard to uh,

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Speaker 3: sure okay, I'm taking there's new information we're getting here

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Speaker 3: The one thing I'll I'll kind of give people a

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Speaker 3: And I know, you know, it was like this for teams,

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Speaker 3: like they haven't played any games, it's been months. And

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Speaker 3: then you guys have changes, you update your top fives

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Speaker 3: we sit here, you know, in the scouting community as well,

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Speaker 2: On the wall.

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Speaker 3: What happens is you've got to you know, economy of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the best way to give an analogy to say,

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Speaker 1: Now, I agree, and I always tell people because it's

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Speaker 3: He's a good enough athlete, you know, he can move

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Speaker 2: You know he might do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look they are. I'm terrific. I don't

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Speaker 3: I watched I watched Mike Washington Junior from Arkansas, who

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Speaker 3: I thought he just had so much more juice. There's

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Speaker 3: just a lot more suddenness and explosiveness when I watched him,

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: let you go? Yeah, look man, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: In my first list that came out, Denzel Boston was

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Speaker 3: With Cooper Cup and with Pooka Nakula, I just guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny, but look, we're already talking about how

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Speaker 1: You had a chance to see Feels at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Heard he killed it to don here. You know, big,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, it's good.

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Speaker 1: how are we talking.

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Speaker 2: About him in? What role are they gonna play when

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Speaker 2: they entered the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's again, it's all flavors, but there is

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Speaker 3: a good group of them. You know, one of the

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Speaker 3: guys that I'm I've been a little bit higher on

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Speaker 3: than a lot of folks around the league has been

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Speaker 3: deon Burks from Oklahoma. I feel like I've watched him forever,

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Speaker 3: going back to his Purdue days. He never reached his

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Speaker 3: potential there at Oklahoma. But when I watch him, I

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Speaker 3: can see the juice. I think he's sharing. He's got

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Speaker 3: that strong reminded me at Dion Branch, kind of ice table,

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Speaker 3: old school there. But I think he's going to blow

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Speaker 3: up the combine, man, So he'll I think he'll end up.

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Speaker 3: He was in my top fifty. He'll probably slide out

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Speaker 3: of the top fifty as I've done more of these names,

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Speaker 3: but I think, again, that's a guy. He probably goes

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Speaker 3: in the third round. And he's talented, talented, talented player

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Speaker 3: who played with some crappy quarterbacks at Purdue and then

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Speaker 3: last year, you know, before this current year, of the

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Speaker 3: previous year quarterback situation Oklahoma was not good. So you

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Speaker 3: kind of take all that stuff into account to playing

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Speaker 3: away some of the production. But you can watch I

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Speaker 3: think it was Alabama. I think it was the playoff

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Speaker 3: game in that one where you can kind of see

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Speaker 3: he's got a ton of ability.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's fun. We talk about it every year.

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Speaker 1: Man, do wide receivers continue to amaze the exposure, the

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Speaker 1: reps that they get from high school to college or whatever.

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Speaker 1: We just get into a better product at wide receiver

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Speaker 1: now that we've had in the past. And so it's

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Speaker 1: going to be fun to see how many of those

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Speaker 1: guys end up coming off the board the first two rounds.

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Speaker 3: So I have I'm going to count ship the guys

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Speaker 3: who I have top three round grades on. So that's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,

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Speaker 3: I have twenty. I have twenty wide receivers with like

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Speaker 3: a grade that puts them as a potential starter, which

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Speaker 3: puts them in the top three round range. And I

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Speaker 3: think because the running back group we discussed is not great,

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Speaker 3: the tight.

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Speaker 2: End group is good.

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Speaker 3: We haven't got to them yet, but I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's a lot there's a big collection of like third

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Speaker 3: fourth round guys, which I think could cause teams to

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Speaker 3: wait that out a little bit and just say we

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Speaker 3: don't want to take one in the first the second,

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Speaker 3: we can get one of the third of the fourth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, And that's gonna be the supply

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Speaker 1: and demand debate that we have to have. And so

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Speaker 1: some of those positions that are thinner, so if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about past rusher or offensive line, grab the grab

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Speaker 1: the big guy early, come back and get the scale guys,

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Speaker 1: second to third day two.

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Speaker 3: Day two is gonna be littered with whiteouts. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a zillion whiteouts go on Day two. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: should be a lot of fun. Yeah, looking forward to it. Well,

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Speaker 3: there was kind of a quick run through there on

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Speaker 3: some of the skill position guys. What a chance to

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Speaker 3: go through the rest of the stuff as we get

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Speaker 3: towards the combine buck But uh hey, head down, grinding,

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Speaker 3: get through it. We'll we'll have all these guys done

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Speaker 3: by the time we get to Indian Then we can

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Speaker 3: do all these mock drafts that will immediately be go

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Speaker 3: up and flames happens. Ragous it happens, and just start

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Speaker 3: from scratch, started all over again. But it is a

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Speaker 3: fun time of year, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a fun time. It is the best

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Speaker 1: time of year. We started getting to it. Everyone super

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Speaker 1: Bowl is done. We're back draft time, baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's enjoy this this new

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Speaker 3: season that's upon us here.

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Speaker 2: We love draft season.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time on do the sticks. Hm