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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybond of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 2: this is our number two running Back Fantasy Preview episode.

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Speaker 2: We talk about all the RB two's that you want

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Speaker 2: to draft this year. Guys, you should avoid just kind

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Speaker 2: of breaking down where we have guys ranked here to

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Speaker 2: do it with me one of the top rankers in

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Speaker 2: the game, Sean Kerry, the odds maker, Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 4: So we are less than a month away from the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame game between the Jets and Browns, which

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Speaker 4: will open with Zach Wilson handing the ball to Israel

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Speaker 4: Abandon Canada.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. But that also means shit is getting real.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the running back position is always where

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Speaker 2: it gets real. We have that that frozen pond tiers

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Speaker 2: we'd like to call it. So before we get into

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Speaker 2: you know, all the backs, I just kind of wondering,

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Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, probably RB thirteen with Travis at and

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Speaker 1: I know you like those guys. I do too.

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Speaker 4: I think they're very talented, but that's that's kind of

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Speaker 4: you know, their potential rookie backups eating into more of

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Speaker 4: their workload than we think. Jamiir Gibbs, again very talented,

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Speaker 4: but is he gonna see any.

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Speaker 4: How is he gonna you know, hit top fifteen without

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Speaker 4: RB thirteen, RB twenty four I love talent wise, but

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Speaker 4: there's concerns about everyone.

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Speaker 1: So that's just the range that you got to be careful.

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Speaker 4: I'm usually drafting and running back before the top twelve

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Speaker 4: that's where it get That's where it is again this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, i'd say it starts even higher. I'm

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Speaker 2: concerned about Josh Jacobs. Oh yeah, I turn off all

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Speaker 2: those touches and yeah, uh, you know, it gets kind

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Speaker 2: so a lot of times. The reason I say, I

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of guys in that kind of

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Speaker 4: I still like the upside we get with Pierce, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Texans could actually be a lot

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Speaker 2: I like Joe Mixon in this range. Obviously still has

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Speaker 3: So Mixon could actually.

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Speaker 2: Still on one of the best offenses in the week.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we saw what you get five touchdowns in.

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Speaker 2: He still has that kind of upside, So I think

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Speaker 1: Which is just elite.

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Speaker 4: So if he can start catching four to five balls

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Speaker 1: Where's his current ADP RB nineteen. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: in productions. But again, his receiving issould could be even higher.

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Speaker 4: So you know, his ceiling is still a top ten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think people realize that even with you know,

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Speaker 2: fifteen carries and four point three catches the games. That's

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Speaker 2: And that's with p Ryan, you know, kind of infamously

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think Mix is getting swept on.

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Speaker 4: The other back that I can get behind again, I

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Speaker 4: You know, he's going to be much more of a

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Speaker 1: But I think for the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, you know, seeing

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Speaker 2: it's probably going to be because they're not coming off

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Speaker 3: For me, I'll go, yeah, Akers, he's RB twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, I don't really love anyone else in

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Speaker 2: And Acres, you know, he showed down the stretch last

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Speaker 2: So Acres is the guy that kind of stands out.

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Speaker 2: But I think for the most part, these guys are

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Speaker 2: we could see, you know, similar production eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I mean he was RB four over the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and still young too, still only it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because so before the injury he averaged about three

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Speaker 2: the RB three technically tier and the guys in that

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Speaker 2: twenty nine, Isaiah Pacheco starting for the Chiefs. Thirty is

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Speaker 2: that Bears backfield. Who do you like in and Inn

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I gotta go with Alexander Madison. You know,

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Speaker 1: So I think.

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Speaker 4: RB five, RB thirteen, and I remember just making projections

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Speaker 4: I think the Vikings are content just letting him.

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Speaker 1: Have the job this year.

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Speaker 4: So I think why, you know, running back twenty five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's way I mean, I've seen him

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Speaker 2: I'm actually not scared of having Madison as my RB one,

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Speaker 2: So I love Alexander Madison as well. For me, I

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Speaker 2: and I think it was justin Jackson and whatnot.

438
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: But Brando was right.

439
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 2: So but you know, Montgomery did get eighteen mil over

440
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: three years, eleven guarantee, eleven mil guaranteed, which is a

441
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: lot for a running back. This will be his age

442
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: twenty sixth season, but Williams in the game Swift played

443
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: averaged over fifteen carries per game. Not much in the

444
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: passing department, But I think Montgomery should be in line

445
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: for twelve to fifteen carries, twelve to sixteen carries per game,

446
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: and probably a little more in the passing game than

447
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: Williams did, but you know, probably not more than two catches.

448
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: But you know, going where he's going RB twenty eight

449
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: with the potential to lead the league in touchdown runs,

450
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: I think is a value and you're the downside of

451
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: it once you get to this range.

452
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 3: You know, between Montgomery and.

453
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: Some of these other guys, there's not really much downside

454
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: in terms of the opportunity cost of guys are passing up.

455
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: They're all kind of guys, you know, committee backs, uncertain,

456
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: unproven guys, got you know, guys on two down backs

457
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 2: and bad offenses or whatnot.

458
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: So I really like the upside here.

459
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: This is kind of the range where now you're not

460
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 2: worried as worried about floor, you're worried more about upside.

461
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: But if you look at Williams, I mean the usage

462
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 2: was pretty consistent. We do expect this Lion team to

463
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: be pretty good this year gamescript wise, So not a

464
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: lot to hate for me with David Montgomery going to

465
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: this new new row better line too much better wine.

466
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, no, I love this call.

467
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: I think it's no brainer that he's going to get

468
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 4: the goal line work because even Alabama didn't use Gibbs

469
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: in short artage or goal line situation, so why would

470
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 4: the Lions. You know, he's compared to Kamara, which I

471
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 4: think is fair when you're talking about his receiving usage,

472
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 4: but he's what twenty five pounds lighter. He's just a

473
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: crack under two hundred pounds, So Gibbs is not going

474
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: to be eating into Montgomery's goal line work. So I

475
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 4: think that's that's obviously one of the more valuable assets

476
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: in this backfield.

477
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: And then Montgomery.

478
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: I think at his current ADP, he'll beat that if

479
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 4: he stays healthy this year, even in.

480
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: A two way committee.

481
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 4: But he's one of the few guys in this range

482
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 4: that offers legit top ten upside if Gibbs were to

483
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 4: miss time. So that's a huge variable in my running

484
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: back chart because like you said, he it's a better

485
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 4: pass catcher than Jamal Williams. Even so he could be

486
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: a top ten back if Gibbs miss his time, and

487
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 4: he'll beat this ADP even if Gibbs doesn't miss anytime.

488
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, in this range, Montgomery is definitely

489
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: a feel Yeah, and.

490
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: If he, for some reason happens to have a bad

491
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: game against Kansas City in Week one, like I would

492
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: be trying to buy well because Week two and three

493
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: is home against Seattle, home against Atlanta. You know that

494
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: Kansas City game might be at their biggest underdog. Yeah,

495
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: it's the biggest underdog spot of the year obviously when

496
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: you play Kansas City. So yeah, I think there's there's

497
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: a lot to like with Montgomery. Who else do you

498
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: like in this range?

499
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 4: So I'm going with the guy that you mentioned just

500
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: outside this range. I'm cheating against my favorite here, but

501
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 4: I love this guy where he's going at Samaj p Ryan.

502
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: He's gone around RB thirty.

503
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: Seven right now, but I think you know he's gonna

504
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 4: trend up as we are closer the season and unlesson

505
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: until we get better news around Javonte Williams and his

506
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: Week one availability. I'm very worried that he's not going

507
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: to be able to play the first few games, and

508
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: even then they're going to ease him in. So I'm

509
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: a lot more cautious when it comes to Javonte than

510
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: I am Brece Hall. But you know, Samaj Appiera is

511
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: more than capable of stepping up with Javonte out. You know,

512
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: p Ryan was RB three in weeks twelve and thirteen

513
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: last year filling in for Joe Mixon. So in this range,

514
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: you're drafting backup running backs who need a running back

515
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: to they're starting running back to miss time to hit value.

516
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we have a guy in.

517
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: P Ryan who's already looking likely to potentially give you

518
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: some starts earlier in the season, so that just it's

519
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: he's going to be offering more value than raw projections

520
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: would suggest.

521
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: And then if Javonte, you know.

522
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: If he gets banged up, even more likely that p

523
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 4: Ryan gets more starts. So he's just the first backup

524
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: running back I want this season. And like I said,

525
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 4: an interesting way to kind of pair him up would

526
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: be to take a guy like Briestall, who might start

527
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: off a little bit slow. You can have a guy

528
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 4: like p Ryan fill in in the meantime. So I

529
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of different strategies you can use

530
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 4: by taking p Ryan outside of the top thirty five

531
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 4: when he could be offering top twenty value in the

532
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 4: first few weeks of the season.

533
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think the only thing to watch out

534
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: here is Dalvin Cook. And if Dalvin Cook signs, I

535
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: mean that means that Williams is you know, probably there's

536
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: probably an issue with Williams, so p Ron probably still

537
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, the role won't change too much. But I

538
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: do think, yeah, his upside is that Davonte, you know,

539
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: really messed up his knee. He wasn't just the ACL

540
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: so there could be you know, a longer recovery window.

541
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: We haven't heard amazing, Like we've definitely heard better news

542
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: about Brisall as you mentioned than about a guy like

543
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: Javonte and this, you know, the defense is good. You

544
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: got Sean Payton, so new system knew everything, you know, Peyton,

545
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: even when Tamara was you know, doing his thing. You know,

546
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: they still kind of mixed in Ingram or like a

547
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: bigger back as well. So like pe Ran could still

548
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: get his you know, ten touches per game even if Williams.

549
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: Williams has never average even twelve carries per game in

550
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: a year. So yeah, I think p Ran is a

551
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: guy that sticks out as well. For my second guy,

552
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: A go with James Connor, he's already twenty seven, and

553
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: it's another guy, you know, I know Arizona is projected

554
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: to be the worst team in the National Football League

555
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: this year, but they were pretty much of that quality

556
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: last year and James Connor was still in there being

557
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: productive and he actually had his He actually had his

558
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: best season in yards before contact since twenty eighteen last year,

559
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 2: so it's not like like his vision's going down. His

560
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: yards after contact has been pretty stable. And that's with

561
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: a bad Arizona offensive line. Last year they were bottom

562
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: six and adjusted lineyards, so essentially can't get much worse.

563
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: But Connor is another guy who's shown that you can

564
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: put him in there for almost every snap. I mean

565
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: there were times when he was playing, you know, almost

566
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: every snap of the game. Now, granted there's a new

567
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: regime here, but the fact that they don't address running

568
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: back in the draft or in free agency as of yet,

569
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: that tells me that they're just gonna kind of let

570
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: kind of run himself into the ground as they probably

571
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: go on this tank aton. And he had games where

572
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: he played more than ninety percent of the snaps and

573
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: that's just kind of rare to find.

574
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 3: Especially this week in the draft.

575
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: And if anything at all goes right for the Cardinals,

576
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: if they just keep games closer than we think or

577
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: anything like that.

578
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be all upside for Connor. So yeah, love Connor.

579
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Here. Not much behind him on the depth trot as

580
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: I mentioned. Yeah, I guy, you aking Keantenger, but that's about.

581
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: It, isn't nobody, But yeah, he has very little competition.

582
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: And last year, I mean, I feel like we were

583
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: both high on Connor heading end of the year. He

584
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: was RB ten and points per game, right, that's more

585
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: than Jamal Williams, who scored seventeen touchdown, more than Aaron Jones,

586
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: more than Dalvin Cook. He still just doesn't get any respect.

587
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: So the fact that you get him RB seven twenty

588
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 4: seven right now is insane to me.

589
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're obviously pricing in some potential miss games.

590
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: You know, he's twenty eight. He's never played more than

591
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: fifteen in a season.

592
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: But you know that's kind of every running back. And here,

593
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean the upside is the games he does play.

594
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: As of now, he's looking like a guy who could

595
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: play again anywhere from seventy five to to upwards of

596
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the snaps. All right, let's go so

597
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: outside the the RB three range, who do you like

598
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: for those guys, let me give some ADP's. I won't

599
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: give all of them, but just you know the guys

600
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: kind of right after you got charbonnet from the rookie

601
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: from Seattle, Rashad Penny, Elijah Mitchell, Damien Harris, Tyler, Algier

602
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: Devon a Chain the rookie for the Dolphins at forty three,

603
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: Jared McKinnon at forty four, Singletary forty five, Kendre Miller,

604
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: a rookie for the Saints at forty six, Foreman signed

605
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: with the Bears at forty seven, and Kenneth Gainwell looks

606
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: like the third back for the Eagles right now is

607
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: up to forty eight. So who do you like kind

608
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: of outside that the top thirty six, top thirty seven

609
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: at running back.

610
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So once once you get to this range, it's

611
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: typically all backups, clear backup and an offense.

612
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's all about just ranking them when.

613
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: The starting running back is in and when the starting

614
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: running back is out, and I do that with my

615
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: RB Upside rankings chart. So the first clear, most obvious

616
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: one that I love, and I think this is a

617
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: no brainer, is Jalen Warren at RB fifty six.

618
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: So he was the RB fifty two.

619
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 4: Last year, despite Naji Here's playing in all seventeen games,

620
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: and so you know, Warren could carve out a bigger

621
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: role this year and potentially provide RB three flex value

622
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: at times even when nause is healthy. Like that's that's

623
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: how involved I think he could be this year. So

624
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: not many backs in that range even offer that path

625
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: to value. You know, he was very good runner last year.

626
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: He ranked tenth out of fifty eight backs, and my

627
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: expected yards per carrier model nause ranked fiftieth. You know,

628
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: obviously nause is more of an innings eater. He's just

629
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: you know, giving me a work course back. But I

630
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: would not be shocked if Warren eats into that even

631
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: more this year. But you know, Warren was already eating

632
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: into Nausey's receiving work last year. You know, Warren was

633
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: averaging thirty to thirty five percent routes run per game,

634
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: so that could go up. But either way, this isn't

635
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: rocket science. He already beat this ADP last year and

636
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: naj was healthy all season. But if Nausey were to

637
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: miss any time, you know, he would be potentially you know,

638
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 4: a low end RB two, high end RB three so

639
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: I think there's just a lot of paths for Warren

640
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: hitting value here that may or may not include Nause

641
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: going down. So I think he'd just be a good

642
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: backup to have on your roster. They didn't get super late.

643
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: So I have a ton of shares of Warren right

644
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: now because he's my RB forty three, so it's about

645
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: thirteen to fifteen slots higher than you know, his ADP.

646
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: So just love Warren's upside this year.

647
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, we've talked about this on

648
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: the other on our pod last time with Nauji, but

649
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Warren was more efficient than him three point one yards

650
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: after contact per carry to Naji's two point seven last

651
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: year yards per route Warren average half yard more per

652
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: route one point three versus Naje's point eight. And he

653
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 2: gave up Naji gave up pressures on over twice as

654
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: many twice as many pass blocking snaps as Warren dide

655
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: nine to four percent. So Warren had him beaten quite

656
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: quite a lot of areas. Soun likes him too, right, there's.

657
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: Some more running backs, but.

658
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from what we've seen, yeah, you know,

659
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: Warren's rod grew and he was efficient or more efficient

660
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: than the income at starters. So yeah, I see no

661
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: reason why she shouldn't continue to uh to trend up

662
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: uh for me. I one of the guys I like

663
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: outside of that top thirty six is Tyler Algier, And

664
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: you kind of hit on it with Okay projecting guys,

665
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: if the starter goes down, and I think if Bijon

666
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: Robinson goes down, massive upside obviously for Algier, but.

667
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: Even if not.

668
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: You know, Atlanta was second in the league with twenty

669
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: six point seven carries per game for running backs, so

670
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: you know there could still be ten touches per game,

671
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: ten carries per game, you know, kind of for algyear

672
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: in this offense. We heard Cordell Patterson's going to be

673
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: more of a receiver gadget guy this year, not not

674
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: much as much in the backfield, and you know, Huntley's

675
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: coming off a serious injury, and Avery Williams I believe

676
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: already went down for the year. So it could be

677
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: a one two punch mainly with Robinson and Algier and

678
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: good chance Algier, you know gets you know, Robinson could

679
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: have about seventeen carries a game and Algier could still

680
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: have ten, so and that's that's not even counting if

681
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: any time Bijon goes down. You're talking about kind of

682
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: an anti fragile situation because Bijon is such a high pick,

683
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: so it's going to hurt somebody in your in your

684
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: draft if you have if you have Algiers. So a

685
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: lot of reasons to like him, and he was just

686
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: an efficient back on what I think is going to

687
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: be a very good run offense yet again, a good

688
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: offensive line and everything like that. So like Aetny Algier

689
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: outside that top forty, and you know, especially in bastball

690
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: where you don't even have to predict what weeks he'll get,

691
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: like his ten touches in a touchdown or not, but

692
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: even in redraft as well, because I think he's a

693
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: very valuable handcuff with what it looks like to me

694
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: at this point standalone flex value as well.

695
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he's the perfect type of back to

696
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: target outside of the top forty because you know he

697
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: has his top twenty upside if and when Bjon misses

698
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: any time. But like you mentioned, there is a path

699
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: where he could still be an RB three flex even

700
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: with Bijon healthy. I mean, Jon's a generational talent.

701
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: We know that.

702
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 4: But the Falcons offense loves run the ball. I mean

703
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: they proved it by you know, drafting Vjon and offensive

704
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: lineman in the second round, So there could be enough

705
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: volume for even Lgier to see ten to fifteen touches

706
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: a game. So he could offer RB three flex value

707
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: even Bijon's healthy. That's the perfect type of running back

708
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: to target outside of the top forty.

709
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he has more than top twenty upside

710
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: of that is eight side. At least it's not higher.

711
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: He'd be a low end RB one yeah, I mean yeah.

712
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: He was putting out last three games twenty touchdowns plus

713
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: each game, so they could he can handle that role.

714
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: All right, Who else do you like outside of the

715
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: top thirty six.

716
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: So go way off the board here, I'm going with

717
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: Keanty Ingram at RB seventy eight. So I'm putting together

718
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: my chart right now, and I have different buckets for

719
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: every type of back, and right now he's probably the

720
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: cheapest handcuff in the league at RB seventy eight. Now

721
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 4: there's a chance, you know, he could split work with

722
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: Corey Clement if James Connor misses time. But I do

723
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: think Kante has a ton of upside. You know, he

724
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: kind of struggle as a rookie, but I think he

725
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: did get me Kareem Hunt vibes when he was at USC.

726
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: I do think he has some potential.

727
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: So the fact that he's backing up James Connor, you

728
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: know who's only played fifty or more games just once

729
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: in six years Connor twenty eight years old. Obviously I

730
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: like Connor when he's healthy, but the Cardinals are likely

731
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: going to be one of the worst teams in the

732
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: league this year. I don't think Connor is going to

733
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 4: play every game, so there are going to be some times.

734
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: I think Ingram could provide RB three flex type of value.

735
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: So and he's also a pretty good pass catching backs,

736
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 4: which is important when you're on a really bad team

737
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: like the Cardinals.

738
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: So I think just when you're.

739
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: Talking about backs outside of the top seventy, he's the

740
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: back that I would want because a lot of these

741
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: other backs they not only need one injury, they probably

742
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: need two just to offer RB three flex value, and

743
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 4: he might only need one. So again, he just has

744
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: the shortest path to offering value than most of these

745
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: running backs. Other backs in this range that I like

746
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: or like Chase Edmunds Josh Kelly. I think those guys

747
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: are the two only other backs outside of the top seventy.

748
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 4: I think are one injury away of potential RB three

749
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: flex value. But those are the kind of backs that

750
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: I think you should target once you get outside the

751
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: top seventy.

752
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I think when you look

753
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: at that.

754
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: The Cardinals backfield right now, yes, they're gonna be a

755
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: bad team, but they kind of project to have one

756
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: like one guy taking a big workloade and if it's

757
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: if it's not Connor, it's going to be Ingram unless

758
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: they signed somebody. So yeah, I think that their entire

759
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: backfield is undervalued. Like, yes, we I think the market

760
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: is sharpening in the sense that, yeah, we know, bad

761
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: teams not not as much value, but you know we

762
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: we still can see, you know, bad teams if the

763
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: back is getting a good percentage of snaps be productive.

764
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the Raiders with Josh Jacobs, look

765
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: at you know, the Cardinals with Connor when he was healthy.

766
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: You know, Rams with Cam Akers weren't great and he

767
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: was productive, So it can still happen. And I think, yeah,

768
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: you're getting some value here because everyone's knowing no one

769
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: wants to touch this Cardinal Carnel backfield.

770
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

771
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

772
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: Another guy like outside the top thirty six is Elijah

773
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: Mitchelly's goes RB forty with McCaffrey including the playoffs six games, uh,

774
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: ten point three carries per game, not not much in

775
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: the past game, so probably better in half PPR. But

776
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, still a guy who I think he's going

777
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: to factor in into the rotation, and if McCaffrey goes down,

778
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: he's gonna you know, go back to you know, being

779
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: a top fifteen, top twenty running back like we saw

780
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: him be in the past when he's started games for

781
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: this team, and you know, his efficiency metrics are always

782
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: very good. He's you know, top twenty and yards after

783
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: contact again last year even better for his career at

784
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: three point six after contact.

785
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: So the only real concern with him is the durability.

786
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: I think as long as he's healthy, you know, he's

787
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: gonna be in there for eight to twelve carries a game,

788
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: even with McCaffrey, because.

789
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: This team has to run.

790
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, their quarterbacks are Donald or pretty Donald and Lance.

791
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: Right now, we don't even know if per he's fully healthy.

792
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: So and the defense should still be very good. So

793
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: anytime if McCaffrey goes down, missus games, you know, just

794
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: a ton of upsides. So love Mitchell here. And the

795
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: best thing it's in a redraft league. You know, when

796
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: he's missing games, you could just bench him.

797
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: You don't have to even worry about it.

798
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: So like him more actually in redraft than in a

799
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: best ball type format.

800
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

801
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: Same, He's very similar to Elgier where probably probably doesn't

802
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: have as much upside as Algier, but certainly a top

803
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: twenty back if McCaffrey misses his time, and he could

804
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 4: give you some spot RB three flex games even when

805
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: McCaffrey is healthy. But Mitchell's RB forty, Algier's RB forty two.

806
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: Which one would you rather have you had to choose

807
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: between those two?

808
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: Algier because number one, I just think he'll be a

809
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: little more durable, but number two, I think there's just

810
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: even more uncertainty with with Bejhon, like we've never seen him.

811
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: We don't know what the role could be like, you

812
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: know there, you know it could be that Bijon's getting

813
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: fifteen carries and Algiers getting twelve or something, which would

814
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: be you know, more than I think we're projecting stuff. Yeah,

815
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of upside even without anything

816
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: else happening or any injuries happening. For Algiers, I think

817
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: Mitchell's kind of probably tapped out, like ten carries per game.

818
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: PAK can't go much higher than that unless something happens

819
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: to McCaffrey. So it's kind of a little, I guess,

820
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: a lower ceiling version of of our deer. But yeah,

821
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: like deer goes later, usually go to a couple spots later,

822
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: so exactly, yeah, Algier for me. Some other guys I'll

823
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: mentioned RB fifty four is Taj Spears, the rookie for

824
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: the Titans, and with Hassan Haskins getting into some legal trouble,

825
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: uh and being of the last regime with John Robinson

826
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: who apparently lost the power struggle with Rabel. So now

827
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: they got a new GM in there, they take Spears.

828
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: He should be the backup, the clear cut backup to

829
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. Uh. So that that I think is is

830
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: of some value because you know, if you're concerned about

831
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Henry and his age or just the workload, you know

832
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: this guy could come in and handle, you know, essentially

833
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: handle that that same workload. Because I don't think Haskins

834
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: is long for for the roster for for a prominent role.

835
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Wasn't very wasn't great last year either, so I think

836
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: he's a guy to h to pay attention to as well.

837
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: All Right, That is going to wrap it up for

838
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: our RB two slash RB three slash Sleeper Running Back

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