WEBVTT - The Phil Hartman Story

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and it's just us. Cherry's not here, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is stuff you should know. The Invincible Duo, The ambiguously

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<v Speaker 2>Gay Duo. Yes, sir, you after right? That was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it when there's like an impression of an impression.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I do. That's true, that's my specialty.

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<v Speaker 2>But you do it so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that bit was obviously Phil, the great

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Hartman, the late great Phil Hartman's Ed McMahon. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was a that was something that in college and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my college years were generally the Phil Hartman

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<v Speaker 1>years on SNL. My good friend Eddie and I you

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<v Speaker 1>know Eddie, we for some reason that one really intercreered.

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<v Speaker 1>And still to this day one of us will say

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<v Speaker 1>something and the other will go here, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, yeah, I mean it's timeless for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really stuck with us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's even people walking around doing that who

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea who Ed McMahon is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, probably there's at least two.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm putting.

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<v Speaker 3>Money on you and someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>I know who Ed McMahon is. I'm a skully realized person.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm joking.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not talking about Ed McMahon though, not really. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the first guy you mentioned. You were doing

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<v Speaker 2>an impression of Phil Hartman, who turns out to be

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty great, complicated, tragic ultimately dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, actor and comedian known best for his

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<v Speaker 1>work on probably Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons. And

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<v Speaker 1>Dave helped us with this, and he wanted us to

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<v Speaker 1>shout out a book by Mike Thomas called You Might

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Me Colon The Life and Times of Phil Hartman

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<v Speaker 1>with one N even though he was born with two

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<v Speaker 1>n's on the name Hartman.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I thought that was pretty pretty crazy. He

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the second end, Yeah, for his I guess stage name.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like a typo. That would be my guess,

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<v Speaker 1>the second end. Yeah, it just looks odd.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe they pronounced it a little differently too, like

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<v Speaker 2>Phil Hartman. Probably so so. When he was born in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty eight, when he was still named Phil Hartman.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in Brainford, Ontario, And that might sound

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<v Speaker 2>familiar to hockey fans because that's where Wayne Gretzky's from

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<v Speaker 2>but after Wayne Gretzky, I would say Phil Hartman's probably

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<v Speaker 2>the second most famous person from Brantford, Ontario, and boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're right. I'm totally not. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like Tawny Katayan or something'll be from Brainford, Ontario. Although

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<v Speaker 2>she may still fall behind Phil Hartman.

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<v Speaker 3>She passed away too, I believe right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I stopped keeping up with her after

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<v Speaker 2>she and David Coverdell broke up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Wayne Gretzky's alive though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he is alive and slapping.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil was a middle kid, number four of eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>as oftentimes with a middle child, especially in Phil's case,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have an older brother who was like super

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<v Speaker 1>athletic and handsome and a younger sister that needed special

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<v Speaker 1>care because of a rare condition called Angelman syndrome. Phil

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like felt like he needed to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>just attract attention by goofing off and being the class clown,

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<v Speaker 1>the family clown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what metal kids do. He had like jam

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<v Speaker 2>Brady syndrome, but instead of wearing an afro wig, he

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<v Speaker 2>became an actually funny person, right, Yeah, I guess one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big things that happened to him was when

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<v Speaker 2>he and his family moved to California when he was nine,

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<v Speaker 2>nine eight something like that. He was around that age,

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<v Speaker 2>and California like really suited his blood. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>was born in Ontario. When you moved to like Malibu area, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're that's a pretty good move. Typically, I love Toronto,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not like throwing shade on Ontario in general,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, when you move out to southern California

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<v Speaker 2>from there, it's a little different, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Yeah, especially if it turns out you love surfing, sailing,

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<v Speaker 1>and smoking weed or smoking grass at the time, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>You would say kah, the three s's, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he Something that I learned yesterday was that Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Hartman was a big pothead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but the kind that the cops wouldn't search your

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<v Speaker 2>car if you got pulled over, which is a lesson

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<v Speaker 2>to all those potheads out there. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>look like a pothead to be a pothead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he can look straight and make the cops laugh

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll just say, go along your day, You're just

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<v Speaker 1>a fun kid, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just totally ignore that smell coming out of your car.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he was really into southern California life. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>he was a great surfer by the time he was thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy was just full of surprises.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And around this time, maybe even a little earlier, he

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<v Speaker 2>started to get into comedy. He started doing he took

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<v Speaker 2>the steps that every young comedian takes, and that's you

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<v Speaker 2>start idolizing some different comedians. Stand up comedians in his

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<v Speaker 2>were Bob new Heart, yeah and the other one. And

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Winters, who even if you don't know who Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>Winters is, but you're a more more commendy fan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was the giant old baby that arrived in an

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<v Speaker 2>egg at Morecamendi's tour stuff, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Winners and new Heart actually they were sort of

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<v Speaker 1>comedians comedians back then in that era, from like the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties and into the sixties, and both of them

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<v Speaker 1>were just incredible stand ups. Jonathan Winters was so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>especially like with character work and stuff like that, which

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<v Speaker 1>New Heart didn't do. So between the two of those

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<v Speaker 1>he got a pretty like well rounded comedy education. Memorizing

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<v Speaker 1>those albums doing like I did as a kid, memorizing

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<v Speaker 1>comedy albums, performing bits for friends and family, stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially on winter side, those impressions that Jonathan Winners

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<v Speaker 1>would do, Phil Hartman would copy those and then come

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<v Speaker 1>up with his own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and very quickly he excelled past even Jonathan Winners,

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<v Speaker 2>like he was in rich little area by the time

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<v Speaker 2>he was probably you know, mid teens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a great story day found. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was from the book that he and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>friends went skiing at Mammoth Mountain outside of La And

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<v Speaker 1>as the story goes, they were hanging around at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hot Springs that night and Phil's friends said, hey, man, start,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing some of your bits here for everybody

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<v Speaker 1>and impressions. And this sounds like one of those stories

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<v Speaker 1>has sort of, you know, grown over the years because

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<v Speaker 1>they say over two hours Phil performed basically in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a hundred strangers. I'm not quite sure if I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that part, because I've been to parties at ski resorts,

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out at Hot Springs, and I'm sure he got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of jokes in, but I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just sit there for two hours and watch some guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and then one of his friends announced ladies and

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<v Speaker 2>Joe that was mister Phil Hartman, and someday he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a big star. Remember this night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe it happened, but that's probably apocryphal. But I

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<v Speaker 1>bet a version of that story happen where Phil was

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<v Speaker 1>like the life of the party essentially, is my takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from a pretty early age, right, So he's clearly funny,

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<v Speaker 2>he's really good at impressions. But his path to comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess was kind of circuitous because he, well his brother,

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<v Speaker 2>he is older brother, the handsome athletic when you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>earlier John, John decided he wanted to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>into acting, and I guess this was before Phil could

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<v Speaker 2>even get a chance, and John went to Hollywood came

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<v Speaker 2>back reporting that he was not okay with how ceed

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood was amoral, not anything like an Ontarian would would

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<v Speaker 2>be okay with, and so he said, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do acting. And I think that kind of scared

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<v Speaker 2>Phil a little bit, or at least guided him away

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<v Speaker 2>from acting for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like it. John went into the music

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<v Speaker 1>business and co founded a management company called Hartman and Goodman,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems like they had a real had their

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<v Speaker 1>thumb on the pulse.

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<v Speaker 3>Thumb on the pulse. Sure you can do that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You could use your thumb for this.

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<v Speaker 1>They had their thumb on the pulse of that Laurel

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<v Speaker 1>Canyon sort of country rock scene. Because they ended up

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<v Speaker 1>managing the likes of Neil Young, America, Buffalo Springfield, the Eagles,

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<v Speaker 1>Joni Mitchell, Jackson, Brown Mamas, and the Papas Wow kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that whole scene they were management for.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a mellow roster man.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a lot of grass being smoked, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Phil smoked a bunch of it too. He got

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<v Speaker 2>brought on eventually. He went to art school for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while, tried to go to the University of Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>was turned down, And I'm sure he wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the University of Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>To serve That's exactly what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So his older brother was like, hey, man, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing anything. You got some art school under your belt,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you come and work for me as a roadie,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what people who go to art school end

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<v Speaker 2>up doing almost invariably.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he hooked him up with a little hippie rock

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<v Speaker 1>band called Rock and Foo Foo Did you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>any Rock and Foo.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I looked up the band members though, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>one of them was it was a child actor prior

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<v Speaker 2>to Rock and Foo. He was on f Troop, Gun

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<v Speaker 2>Smoke a bunch of other stuff, and then another one

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<v Speaker 2>was the guitarist and a lot of the Monkeys' hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool. I listened to like three Rock and

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<v Speaker 1>Foo songs and I liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I saw a photo of the band and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm not listening to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it was it's probably not your bag, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that sort of you know, kind of that again,

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<v Speaker 1>that Laurel Canyon sort of country rock thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I dug it. I thought it was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I love America, don't get me wrong. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're great.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're no communist.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of all of the lists of bands that you

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<v Speaker 2>rattled off there, you know, I like that band the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just not your bag. I get it. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not I'm not bagging on.

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<v Speaker 2>You, okay, bagging on it. I mean for it not

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<v Speaker 2>being my bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you like craft work, for God's sakes

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<v Speaker 1>and elevator music.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I like most stuff, justs that you rattled up.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely no a no, Yeah, I'm virulently opposed to listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>They managed Sonny and Cherity. You probably like them the most.

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<v Speaker 2>They're fine. I don't remember what I said on our

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<v Speaker 2>Sunny and Share episode, but I don't remember ever being

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<v Speaker 2>like super into their music. Yeah, Okay, I guess none

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<v Speaker 2>of this really matters, because what we're really talking about

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<v Speaker 2>is Phil Hartman and him making a ROADI yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of started living the rock and roll lifestyle as

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<v Speaker 2>a roadie for some of these bands, and because he

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<v Speaker 2>had some art school and he was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>developing artist at the time, his brother was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you do some of these album covers for

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<v Speaker 2>some of the bands? And he did, and at least

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<v Speaker 2>one of them was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He did two for Rock and Foo.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they only did two albums, so he dominated

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<v Speaker 1>their album cover art.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>He did some for Crosby Stills and nash Or Sills

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<v Speaker 1>and Nash I wrote that to you.

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<v Speaker 3>America.

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<v Speaker 1>He did one for your favorite band America.

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<v Speaker 3>YEP.

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<v Speaker 1>Did one for Poco that's probably the most noteworthy for

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<v Speaker 1>their album Legend of This. It's a very minimalist artwork

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<v Speaker 1>of a horse. And I wanted to mention it is

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<v Speaker 1>all over the internet that he did the cover for

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<v Speaker 1>Steely Dan's seminal album Asia, and he did not, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's everywhere on the internet as fact, and it's apparently

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<v Speaker 1>not true.

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<v Speaker 2>What a weird rumor, because that's just such an arcane

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<v Speaker 2>fact about him that he ever designed any album covers,

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<v Speaker 2>But then for a rumor to be about him making

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<v Speaker 2>one that he didn't, that's really bizarre. But that's the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet for you, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm pretty positive it wasn't him because other

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<v Speaker 1>people saluted it out and dug up the actual artist.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you're about to email and say, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he did Asia, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>He did not.

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<v Speaker 2>No who the guy who actually did it was Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Hartman with two ends, right, that's why people were confused.

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<v Speaker 3>I think. Yeah, good point.

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<v Speaker 2>So around this time, also Phil kicked off and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we're on a first name basis with Phil Hartman,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're just going to keep calling him felt. He

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<v Speaker 2>kicked off what would become essentially his trademark for his

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<v Speaker 2>love life, which was he would fall head over heels

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<v Speaker 2>for a very very pretty girl and they would be

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<v Speaker 2>hot and heavy for a while and then he would

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<v Speaker 2>get married and then basically be like, this isn't working

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<v Speaker 2>out after a couple of years. And the first person

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<v Speaker 2>he did that with when he was I think twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one maybe twenty two, was a nineteen year old woman

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<v Speaker 2>from Malibu named Gretchen Lewis, and she got pregnant pretty

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<v Speaker 2>quickly while they started dating, but they didn't keep the kid,

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<v Speaker 2>but they got married after all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they divorced in nineteen seventy two, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>either two years or a little under two years. And

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<v Speaker 1>after that he got his first professional stage credit when

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<v Speaker 1>he played Harold Hill and The music Man for the

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica Theater Company, and Mike Thomas, the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the biography, had a quote about from one of

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<v Speaker 1>Phil's co stars in The Music Man that said Phil

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<v Speaker 1>was a true artist. He didn't really march to the

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<v Speaker 1>same drum as other people, although it was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of him that wanted to be perceived as normal. He

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<v Speaker 1>went through life trying to find a character that he

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<v Speaker 1>could present to the public that seemed normal and wholesome.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is also sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a repeated theme when you talk to friends and

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues and family over the years, was that no one

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<v Speaker 1>knew the real Phil. And I've known people like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting thing to sort of create personas rather

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<v Speaker 1>than be yourself, and that seemed to kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>the case with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was heavy into impression management basically everywhere in

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<v Speaker 2>his entire life. Oh yeah, in all corners, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just one thing of his first acting credit

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<v Speaker 2>playing Harold Hill, because he went on to play Lyle

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<v Speaker 2>Landley or Lanley I can't remember which one, who was

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<v Speaker 2>basically the Simpson's version of Harold Hill from The Music

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<v Speaker 2>Man in the Monoail episode M written by Conan O'Brien man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was one of the better Simpson writers early on.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 1>But on that thing about not seeing the real Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one friend who later said that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a small room inside Phil that no one will ever

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<v Speaker 1>get to. So just sort of kind of reinforcing that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And the friends that I hear it stinks of feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we take a break, I think it's time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, We're gonna take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>And come back and talk about Phil's entry into the

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<v Speaker 1>Groundlings right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chuck, we've surely talked about the Groundlings here there

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<v Speaker 2>there's just no way we have n't. But just to refresh,

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<v Speaker 2>they are a sketch and improv comedy troupe founded in

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<v Speaker 2>LA who've basically launched the careers of tons and tons

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<v Speaker 2>of Canadians and including a lot of people on Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>Night Live. Apparently Saturday Night Live drafts heavily from the

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<v Speaker 2>Groundlings Second City and that's it. But some of the

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<v Speaker 2>people from Saturday Night Live who were Groundlings, including some

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<v Speaker 2>who were Groundlings with Phil Hartman, John Lovett's was one

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<v Speaker 2>Cherry Oh, Terry Maya, Rudolph Christen Wigg, Will Ferrell, and

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<v Speaker 2>the list just keeps going on.

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<v Speaker 3>To mention Forte.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't on Saturday Night Live though, That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mention him. What was he?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Forte was mcgruber, my man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't realize that was a Satay Night Live character,

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry Will, Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Falconer.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize he was on. Sorry A love I

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<v Speaker 2>thought those were like standalone things.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he I mean, I just mentioned that because Forte

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<v Speaker 1>is one of my all time favorite actors in SNL

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<v Speaker 1>character members, cast members.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're both then.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he didn't insult me. I just love Forte.

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<v Speaker 3>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>He did the weirdest characters on that show kind of consistently,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always just respected him for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. Well, that's great. Was he the Last Man on Earth? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, he wastright too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's wonderful. I like him a lot. I like

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<v Speaker 2>him separately, I also like the last Man on Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>so now that the two are joined, I really like

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<v Speaker 2>him even more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My only Will Forte experience was I think I've mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this before, but he was an attendee at a good

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<v Speaker 1>friend's wedding and my friend sat me, sat emily and

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<v Speaker 1>night at his table because he knew I was such

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<v Speaker 1>a fan.

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<v Speaker 3>And I partied all night with wil Forte and he

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<v Speaker 3>was the coolest, funnest dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's that's a great story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just a real sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so we're talking about the groundlings, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is I don't know, This story doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be apocryphal. It seems to be actually true. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just exactly how it played out is kind of under question.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a birthday party that a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>Phil Hartman had. I guess a group of them went

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<v Speaker 2>to a Groundling show and before the show, Phil Hartman

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<v Speaker 2>just decided to get up on stage and start doing

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<v Speaker 2>some of his act.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't that be true?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I mean somebody who's hungry for the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, I guess yeah, sure, right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So for two hours he had one hundred strangers just

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<v Speaker 2>totally enwrapped. The hot springs developed in the room. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently he definitely killed on stage. And the story is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Groundlings came up to him after he got

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<v Speaker 2>off stage, where like you're in, you want to be in?

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<v Speaker 2>That seems to not be true. It seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>that he went up to them afterwards, like, hey, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about me getting an audition now? And

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<v Speaker 2>they said sure, and he went an audition and they

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<v Speaker 2>said you're in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See that's the first part of the second part was

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<v Speaker 1>the part that I don't believe, right, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see how there's any way at an improv theater. I

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people in those theaters over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>and for someone just to jump up on stage and

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<v Speaker 1>do a bit, I bet they would not have been like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're wonderful, can you join? It would have been like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ever do that again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, Like if they went up to him afterward,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably would have said like please leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So who knows, but it's a good story. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to eventually to do episodes on the Groundling.

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<v Speaker 1>Second City in UCB is just like a little trifecta suite. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>great at any rate, no matter how it happened. Tracy Newman,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the founding member of the Groundling, said that

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Hartman walked into the Groundlings ready.

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<v Speaker 2>To go right, and that would also there was a

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<v Speaker 2>similar quote I think from Lorne Michaels years later that

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<v Speaker 2>said he basically was ready the moment he walked in

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<v Speaker 2>this era live too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a very dedicated actor and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who really looked up to him became one

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.960
<v Speaker 2>of his best friends of fellow Groundling John Lovetz, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was saying that he would he called him the

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<v Speaker 2>King of the Groundlings, which is pretty cool. But as

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<v Speaker 2>his career went on, he became known as like the

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<v Speaker 2>most reliable actor in any group, like he would stick

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the sketch yea even if it was

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<v Speaker 2>going badly, he would hang in there. He wouldn't bail

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<v Speaker 2>on it. He would just keep going into the end.

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<v Speaker 2>And usually from the impression I have is that if

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<v Speaker 2>he was in a sketch, if it would have gone

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<v Speaker 2>badly otherwise if other people were in it, if he

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<v Speaker 2>was in it, it probably wasn't going badly in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, which makes it easier to stick to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he just seemed kind of unflappable. Well, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some messenal stuff in a bit, but yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>I'll to savor it for then. But one of his

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<v Speaker 1>most popular Groundlings characters was Chick Hazard, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>hard boiled detective like out of the film Noir, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a character that he would sort of reprise in

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<v Speaker 1>different ways over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a good He was just good.

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<v Speaker 1>With his mouth and good with words, and could just

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<v Speaker 1>rattle off really complex, long strings of comedic dialogue like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pitch perfect without missing a beat, and just

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<v Speaker 1>just very very skilled, like some people are funny and

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<v Speaker 1>some people are super skilled, and he was one that

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<v Speaker 1>was both.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, well, put Chuck. I think we can end

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, or we should talk about his second marriage okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, first though, we should say he was with

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<v Speaker 2>the Groundlings for eleven years, and that is quite a

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<v Speaker 2>while for being a member of a sketch comedy troupe,

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<v Speaker 2>including one that doesn't it doesn't have a TV show

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. It's like a live theater group. It's a

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 2>long time. But I think that's kind of like an

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<v Speaker 2>indicator of the dedication that he brought to acting. Comedy, Yeah,

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.840
<v Speaker 2>comedic acting, I'm not sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he didn't sort of make it in the

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<v Speaker 1>public eye until he was in his late thirties, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a long time to hang in there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in comedy. It's not like late thirties as old.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you haven't made it by that time as

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<v Speaker 1>an actor or comedian or something, you're probably sort of wondering, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>should I tick up?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, surfing again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right to those stuff you should know. Listeners out there

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<v Speaker 2>in your late thirties trying to break into acting still

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<v Speaker 2>do not be discouraged by what Chuck just said. Just

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<v Speaker 2>keep going, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll start surfing. I mean I didn't get into my

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<v Speaker 1>career until my late thirties and didn't get really success

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<v Speaker 1>until my forties, so I'm living. I mean, you're younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me, so you are just a pup.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not true. I was in my mid thirties

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<v Speaker 2>when things started to pick up, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, it's funny that I said that, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're good examples of like, hey, you never know it's

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:52.800
<v Speaker 1>coming around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's absolutely true. Boy, I could tell you some

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<v Speaker 2>stories of times when I thought this life is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to work out for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, you with me both man, So we said.

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<v Speaker 2>That he got He split up with his first wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Kretchen in nineteen seventy two. He did the bachelor thing

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<v Speaker 2>for about another decade, and he ran into a woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Lisa Jarvis. I'm not sure how they met or

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<v Speaker 2>even necessarily when, but I know in nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>they got married, ten years after his last divorce, and

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<v Speaker 2>it basically followed the same pattern as his first marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>He just like, it just was like fireworks and then

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.479
<v Speaker 2>it cooled off and then he lost interest.

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, their marriage only lasted a few years. They divorced

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty five, the same year that he ended

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.639
<v Speaker 1>up having some of his first big successes, and that

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.679
<v Speaker 1>was because five years prior.

0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:47.680
<v Speaker 3>A guy walks.

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Into the Groundlings in nineteen eighty named Paul Rubens with

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a character named pee Wee Herman under his arm or

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>under his belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you seen the documentary yet?

0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Still have not since you asked me yesterday.

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 2>I know, I thought maybe you would have gone and

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>watched it last night or something, But okay.

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 3>It's so close to being on my TV. He had

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 3>no idea.

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 2>It's really good. But so there's a lot about him

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 2>developing the pee wee Herman character Paul Rubins at the

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Groundlings with a lot of help from other Groundlings. Apparently

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.360
<v Speaker 2>they show some of the early stuff on this documentary.

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>He was much more like obnoxious. He threw tootsie rolls

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 2>at the crowd, he would insult the crowd.

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>And then even after he kind of started to get

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>pee wee like developed, those early stage shows were full

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of like sexual innuindow and stuff that a little kid

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't pick up on but adults would find funny. But

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>there weren't little kids at these shows anyway, so it

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't matter right right. But one of the people, my

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 2>point was, that really helped develop it was Phil Hartman,

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.199
<v Speaker 2>And I think even up to the first season of

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>pee Wee's Playhouse. He played Captain Carl. His character was

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>he played a character on Peewee's Playhouse for the first season.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the surly boat, Captain, Captain Carl. There were other

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Groundlings around as well, either you know, in the show

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 1>with him or writing for him, and Phil was one

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of the writers as well, and they were selling out

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>every night. They ended up at the Groundlings. They ended

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>up moving to the Roxy Theater, which was a little

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 1>bit bigger the which we talked about in our Sunset

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Boulevard episode. Yeah, and or if it hasn't come out yet,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.360
<v Speaker 1>we will talk about it on that episode.

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And then in nineteen eighty there was a producer named

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Paula Kaufman who said she wanted to create a kid

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>show for adults. Saw Peewee at the Groundlings and was like,

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 1>this is it.

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 3>This is the show.

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah again this documentary so like this particular part when

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 2>they're developing the TV show is yeah, it's just not

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 2>so amazing, right.

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait.

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>So Phil was there when Paul Rubins did an HBO special.

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>It was essentially one one, I guess an HBO version

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>of the stage show that it started out as that

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>caught the attention of other people in Hollywood, and they said, hey,

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 2>how about a movie, and they did Pee Wee's Big

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Adventure together. Phil Hartman was a co writer on that,

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and that was nineteen eighty five, and so things are

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 2>finally starting to pick up in ways that Phil Hartman

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.959
<v Speaker 2>had been hoping. Like he'd been writing scripts, he'd been

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>auditioning for TV shows. Now all of a sudden he

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 2>had a hit movie writing credit under his belt, so

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 2>he's thinking, okay, things are about to take off, which

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 2>explains why in nineteen eighty five, when Louren Michaels came

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 2>to him and said, hey, do you want to audition

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>for Saturday Night Live? He said, now, I'm good, I'm

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>going to pass on that.

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was Lorne Michael's return to SNL. He very

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>famously had an absence from the show and the show

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of did not farewell without Lorne Michaels a creator.

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>You weren't some of the Tim Kazerinski years.

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean no, some of that stuff is okay, but

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>just as a general success, the show was kind of

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 1>going downhill. Yeah, but I did I get your joke?

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>First of all Tim Katzerinsky. He was funny though I

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>like that.

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he was. He was like perfect for the

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 2>characters he played, like on Police Academy. I can't remember

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 2>his Yeah, he was crazy, the same guy.

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 3>I forgot about that.

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>But Lauren came back to save this, saved the show.

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>In eighty five eighty six, he again, like you said,

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>asked Phil to come aboard. He said no because he was,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, he thought he could make it as an actor,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, in just regular comedies. And John Lovitz joined instead,

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and then John Lovett's got him another audition in eighty

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 1>for the eighty six eighty seven season.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:48.880
<v Speaker 3>He went in.

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>He had already met Lorna a couple of times. One

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>when he met Lauren Michaels.

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 3>I believe that the.

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I think when when Rubens hosted SNL for the first time, Yes,

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 1>is when he first met Lauren. But then he was

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>also had a small part in Three Amigos, which Lauren produced.

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And then if you ever have a chance, just sit

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>down on YouTube and watch the Phil Hartman audition for SNL.

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>He did that chick Hazard character. First, he did one

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of the fake commercials, and that's where you can tell

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just how skilledy is because it's one of those fast

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>talking commercials where he's talking like this about a product,

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's not you know, he's not reading Q cards.

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just in his brain and memorize and he just

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>it's flawless. And you hear something that you just never

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>hear in an SNL audition, which is people laughing. They're

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>very famous for just sort of sitting there stonefaced. Yeah,

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 1>even if you're doing well and you hear people laughing

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>in the background.

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that is very telling for sure. So there's

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:53.479
<v Speaker 2>one part of his audition real where he does an

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>impression of a German comedian doing impressions of famous people.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 3>It was so good.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>He said the most fa the funniest man in Germany,

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Gunter Johann, Right, Yeah, And so Guter does impressions of

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 2>like Jack Nicholson, John Wayne, Jack Benny, but they're all

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>speaking German, and it's just like a spot on impression

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of John Wayne, Yeah, speaking German, and he's doing a

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>German an impression of a German comedian doing these impressions.

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just amazing. He goes right into it. Yeah, it

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>really does show off his talent. Plus it's also hilarious too.

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of times when you talk about

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>people being funny, it loses its funniness.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so just go watch it. Yeah, agreed, totally agree.

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>He was hired with Pretty Rockstar cast on all new

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>members Jan Hook, Stana Carvey, Victoria Jackson.

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 3>And Kevin nealon Man.

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>What a dream team.

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty good, and that really kind of helped bring

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the show back.

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>And how I mean, to me, that's like the Golden Age.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it destroys the seventies. The seventies was cool

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and like amazing and you know, really energetic, but the

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>eighties were just like pro okay to me. Okay, So

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it could be just that's the one I grew up with.

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, But.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean there is that theory that whatever age you

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>were in high school I think is your favorite, the

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>way you think is the best SNL cast.

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well I might subscribe to that theory.

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>No, I love I love that era.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>So let's back up a second, because you said that

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>he met Lauren. Phil Hartman met Lauren Michaels when Paul

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Rubens pee Wee hosted Saturday Night Live in nineteen eighty five,

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and the reason that he was there was because Paul

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Rubins brought Phil Hartman along in another collaborator from the Groundlings,

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>John Parragon, as his his writers to work with the

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live writers to make good sketches for pee

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Wee Herman for that episode. Right, so pee Wee or

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Paul introduced Phil to Lauren. Lauren comes to call in

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the next year and the year after that, and eventually

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Phil says, Hey, Paul, I've got to go. I finally

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>got my break. I'm going on a Saturday Night Live.

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>And Paul was not happy about that. If you've seen

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the documentary, which I know you haven't, I watched it

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>real quick, just now, okay, so you know, then they

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 2>covered this in the documentary. Apparently it's not a very

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 2>well known or it's kind of a forgotten story. But

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>they had a falling out and they didn't really talk

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>or ever reconcile for the rest of Phil Hartman's life

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>because Paul was and there's really no other way to

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>put it, very very jealous. He felt spurred, jilted, spurned, jilted,

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>spurred to action, and he was also yeah, very jealous

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>because he had tried out for Saturday Night Live and

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>did not get picked up, and I can't remember who

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>got the spot instead of him. And then yeah, and

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>then Phil Hartman left Pee Wee's Playhouse two goes Saturday

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Night Live. So Paul was kind of a not the

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>most forgiving person from what I can tell from the documentary,

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So he just held that grudge for the rest of

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Phil Hartman's life.

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Man, that's sad.

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>It is sad, for sure.

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I hate hearing that.

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I might pause that part or skip over it when

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I watch the documentary to.

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's at one twenty three thirty six is when

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it starts.

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Shall we take our final break? Yeah, all right, let's

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 3>take another break.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about a meeting in nineteen eighty five

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that would change the course of Phil Hartman's life right

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>after this, all right, As promised, a meeting in nineteen

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty five would change the course of Phil Artman's life.

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And that is when Phil met a woman named Brinn

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Amdahl at a party. She was a tall, beautiful blonde

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>from Minnesota but moved to la to be a model

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>or an actress or both, and previous to meeting him

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>in the late seventies and early eighties, she had an

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>alcohol problem, she had a cocaine problem, but had gotten sober,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to her credit, and was looking for a good dude

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:28.239
<v Speaker 1>to hook up with. And when she met Phil, he

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>was this is sort of right before pee Wee's big

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>adventure came out and he got the offer to you know,

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>be on SNL. So he was at a pretty low

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>point auditioning and his coming out of that second marriage,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and so he was like, all right, this beautiful woman

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>loves me and then maybe validates me in a certain way.

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 3>And so they got together.

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>They did and it was just like all the other ones,

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 2>except this one was like when it burned red hot,

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>that could also be really bad too. Yeah, it wasn't

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 2>just like two people super into each other. Also, two

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 2>people who like couldn't couldn't like just just clashed a lot, right,

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>So they were get in really big fights and then

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>they would make up, and they would get in another

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>fight and then they would make up. And despite this

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>early on, they still ended up getting married and went

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>on to have two kids, Sean and Bergen. I think

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Sean was the oldest and he was the boy and

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Bergen was their little girl. And from all accounts, like

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Brynn was a really good mom and really loved Phil Hartman.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>But there was a huge issue in that she was

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 2>an aspiring actress and she wanted to I think she

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted Phil to help her career more than he was

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 2>comfortable helping it. Yeah, and I totally get this. He

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 2>was not the kind to like be like, hey, can

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you get my wife on your show? Or you know,

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>have you seen my wife actually's great, why don't you

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>give her a shot? He just would not do something

0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>like that, right, So that then and there caused some

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty serious static between the two. And then on top

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>of that, after they got together, his career actually started

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 2>taking off. So in addition to him not helping her,

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 2>she was like living in his shadow. So that was

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a big source of conflict between the two.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>So he's got this marriage that starts, you know, that's

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, rocky, like his other relationships had been, but

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>it has staying power more than the others. He was

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven when SNL started, right kind of when they

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 1>got together, and his nickname on SNL was the Glue.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>You kind of talked earlier about how he was always

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of looked at as a stabilizing force in the

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Groundlings and SNL and his nickname was the Glue because

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>he was just perfect basically whenever he performed. We got

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 1>to talk about some of his best characters. Phil Donahue

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>was one of my favorites. When he did Phil ed McMahon.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the aforementioned Ed McMahon was one of my favorites.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I really, for some reason loved the Frankenstein Tonto Tarzan

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Vin that he and Kevin Neilan and John Lobbittz did.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>And then they did Little Drummer Boy.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It was so silly, but I loved it.

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good.

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>He was Frankenstein, right, Yeah, he was Frankenstein. I think

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Lovevitz was Tanto when Neilan was Tarzan.

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 3>If you haven't seen it, look it up.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>But basically the whole point is none of them speak English,

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and so they would do like Christmas songs and Frankens.

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 3>I would just go.

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>And Luvitz did Tanto, and you know, looking back, it

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>was probably a fairly racist depiction of a Native American.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you said Neilan was Tarzan.

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even know what Tarzan did, probably just

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>like jungle grunting.

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>It was very good. I mean like basically we used

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to sit here for the rest of the episode and

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about Phil Hartman's sketches because each one was better

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 2>than the last. Like unfrozen caveman lawyer. Yeah, first of all,

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 2>what a what like just an exceptional idea to start with,

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>but he's he just pulls it off so perfectly, this

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>smarmy lawyer who's an unfrozen caveman who went to law

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>school and became a smarmy I guess a personal injury lawyer.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so.

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And again, like we can talk it out and it

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>will kill any funniness to it. Just go watch that one.

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Go look up Colon Blow the Saturday Live commercial.

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, class it is.

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>And uh then Ronald Reagan mastermind? Did you watch that one?

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I remember. I didn't rewatch it, but I

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>remembered it.

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I rewatched it and I remembered it. It came out

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>around the time the Iran Contra affair scandal broke, and

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 2>at the time Ronald Reagan was like, I don't know anything,

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't I didn't know who knows who knew,

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't know this was going on. So they

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 2>make fun of him and his public persona just kind

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>of being this doddering old man who does doesn't really

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 2>have his finger on the pulse of his own administration

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to this when people aren't and it's just him and

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>his staff him just like barking orders and being totally

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 2>super sharp and being the mastermind behind everything it's in

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>like the his just turning public Reagan on and off

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and then turning that private like aggressive Reagan on and off.

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 3>It's just I mean, like.

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.359
<v Speaker 2>You really see, like this guy was amazing, like like

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>one of a kind. Basically I can't think of anybody

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>who could do the stuff that he did. But before

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>him or since.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, absolutely well said he would go on

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to do another president very famously in ninety two when

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton won the presidency and he had a just

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a dead on Clinton impersonation, just not only the voice,

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.919
<v Speaker 1>but just his sort of the smarmy kind of Bill

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Clinton thing and the ego. Like they lampooned him very

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>very well, very effectively.

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's one where he was jogging into a McDonald's

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 2>while he was running for president, doing like a campaign stop,

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you know, about to kiss a baby,

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and he looks the baby and says to the mom like, Hey,

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna eat the rest of those French fries?

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And it just goes from there. Oh my god, it's perfect.

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So one of the things about Saturday Night Live that

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I learned, even as a young viewer, if you were

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>on beyond a certain number of years, it starts to

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 2>have a certain kind of look like it kind of

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>shows the world like you are perfect for Saturday Night Live,

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>but for some reason it's not clicking outside of that.

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>So you just hang in there as long as you

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 2>can at Saturday Night Live. And what's astounding and nuts

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>is that that happened to Phil Hartman. He was there

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>through a couple of cast changes, like big time, huge

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 2>cast changes where it went from like Kevin Ewan and

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Jan Hooks to Chris Farley and David Spade and Chris

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Rock too at the same time as well. I think

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Sarah Silverman came in around that time too, So like

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 2>he was in for a huge transition. He straddled two

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>big transitions of Saturday Night Live. And that's just like

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>with the Groundlings, this is a really long time to

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>be a member of Live. And I think he felt

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>overlooked because a lot of his colleagues were starting to

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 2>get their own movies and he was not.

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he was on for eight seasons. Over

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>those eight seasons he did, he was in more sketches

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:16.240
<v Speaker 1>than any other cast member. When he retired from SNL,

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>they gave him on the show. They gave him a

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>little statue of an Elmer's glue, like a fixed to

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>a trophy kind of thing mm hm, because of his

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>nickname the Glue. But yeah, he definitely was getting side

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>parts in these movies, like he was in So I

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Married an Axe Murderer. He was in Cone Heads, but

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the star. And by the time he was

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Rock and Sandler and those guys came along. In Farley,

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 1>he was in his forties and he was kind of

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>playing the straight man roles, like the old man of

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the family. One you know, sort of obvious example is

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the Matt Foley, you know, living in a van down

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>by the river, the motivational Speaker sketch. Phil Hartman was

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the dad, and you know, no one remembers that because

0:39:56.280 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>everyone remembers Chris Farley. Quick aside, that sketch was created

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and written by Bob Odenkirk.

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh I forgot. He wrote for Sarah Live too.

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the reason I know that is because I

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>watch Kevin. I followed Kevin Nelon on Instagram and he

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>does this. I don't know if he releases them as

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a podcast, I'm gonna have to look. But he does

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 1>these hikes through one of the you know canyons there

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 1>in LA in the Hollywood Hills, and he interviews people

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.640
<v Speaker 1>on these hikes. And he was interviewing Bob Odenkirk and

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about that sketch.

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's cool.

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 2>It is a great sketch, but you can kind of

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 2>see how, like Phil Hartman's Super Pro really contained and

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>perfect delivery and style, it doesn't jibe well unless he's

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>just playing it straight to somebody like Farley just going berserk, right,

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, totally. So yeah, he finally he left. He

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 2>left on great terms. He just killed Sarah Night Live.

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 2>He became a legend on Saturday Night Live, and he

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 2>went on to still have a pretty great career. He

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 2>went on to do four seasons of News Radio, which

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 2>is one of its great underrated office comedies, along with

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>working the one that Fred Savage was into Jerversey. That

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 2>one no, it was good and Just Shoot Me is

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the other underrated office comedy of all time. I think

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 2>from the nineties at least. But he was on four

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>episodes of news Radio, had a great character for seasons.

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for what I say, episodes.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seasons for sure, had a great character Bill McNeil,

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and he just basically picked up a second part of

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>his career. And then also simultaneously he was doing The

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Simpsons too, which is where a lot of people fell

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>in love with Phil Hartman.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just a little show called The Simpsons. He was

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 1>asked in nineteen ninety to do some voiceover work for

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that show, and he said, yeah, I'll do it, but

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>just one time, because he apparently had a pretty bad

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>experience doing voiceover for animation for the Dennis the Menace

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>animated show. I remember that, but he said I'll do

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it just once. But then, of course that didn't last

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>because he was great on it, and he started working

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>with the writers, started developing characters, and for eight seasons

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>he voiced some of the most iconic characters. Of course,

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the great Troy McClure and lineal Lot's attorney at law

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>are the two sort of most notable because you know

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>they would come on as their little side bits here

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and there, but Troy McClure actually ended up getting a

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty major storyline when he hooked up with Which one

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>was it.

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Patty.

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember one of Marge's two sisters. I couldn't

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 1>remember if it was Patty or.

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Selma. Yeah, that's right, but it was one of them.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they fell in love, and that's from One of

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>my favorite lines from Troy McClure was after they went

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 1>out on a date, he sees her the next day

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and his famous line was you may remember me from

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever like acting role that he was in, and in

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this case, he said, I'm Troy McClure. You may remember

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>me from certain dates like last night.

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was well known for that. You may remember

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.439
<v Speaker 2>me from such educational films as The Decapitation of Larry

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 2>leadfoot Man or Here Comes the Metric System.

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He was great.

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like he had one episode where he was big,

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 2>but the rest of the time it was just, like

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>you said, a little side thing. And he still created

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a legendary character times two and as a matter of fact,

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 2>when he died, The Simpsons are like Lionel Hutts and

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Troy mccluar will never appear on The Simpsons again. They

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't. No one else could do it. Yeah, So

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>speaking of him dying, this is gonna go long because

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of an involved story. But he, like

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I said, he and Brynn had a lot of tension.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:43.959
<v Speaker 2>Apparently phil Harmon had an anxious, avoidant attachment style. When

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.919
<v Speaker 2>she wanted to talk, when she was confrontational, he would

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 2>basically get in a sailboat and sail off to Catalina

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Island alone. I take it, but he was just he

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>would withdraw. You couldn't get to him. That was the

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 2>way that he dealt with it. And she did not

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 2>like that. I think it made her feel very lonely.

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>And then again she was living in a shadow. He

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>wasn't helping her career. They had two kids, and again

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>she was a really really good mom by all accounts.

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>She also had some former demons that she had conquered,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:17.879
<v Speaker 2>including an alcohol addiction and an addiction to cocaine. And

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 2>she was clean when she and Phil met, and she

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.839
<v Speaker 2>stayed clean for a while, but she got back on

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the cocaine train after she did coke with Andy Dick

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>at a news radio party Christmas party in nineteen ninety seven.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we don't know if that's the first

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.959
<v Speaker 1>time she started back again. But as the story goes,

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 1>he offered her cocaine. He said that he didn't know

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that she had had a drug problem before, did not

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>know that apparently she had been clean. And John Lovetts

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>for many, many years was very public about blaming Andy Dick,

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, for her falling off the wagon, and it

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.720
<v Speaker 1>led to a crazy story where in two thousand and seven,

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 1>John lovettzs assaulted Andy Dick at the laugh Factory and

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>like got into a I mean, I was gonna say

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a fist fight, but it doesn't sound like it was punchy,

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>but more John Lovett's, at least as the way he

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>tells it, ramming Andy Dick's head back into the bar

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>like repeatedly and said I would have kept doing it too,

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>but the bartender stepped in.

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm frenchie. Yeah. He apparently he took over for Phil

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Hartman after Phil Hartman died on news radio, and one

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>of the first days he said to Andy Dick, I

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be here if you hadn't a given cocaine to

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Brent so he blamed Andy Dick for the death of

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Bryn and Phil. So Andy Dick didn't like that. Later

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>on he said he saw they saw each other at

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 2>a restaurant and he said, I put the Phil Hartman

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>hex on you. You're the next to die. And then

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the next time they saw each other is when John

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Lovettz beat up Andy Dick, which I mean had no

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>idea about that, did you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't know that story until today or yesterday

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>or whenever you send it over, which is just one

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 1>of those crazy stories, but very sadly. It was May

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh, and you know, we should say Brent. At

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>this point, she was upset about Phil's.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, smoking too much weed.

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>She was had an anxiety problem, she was suffering through

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>some depression. She got on antidepressants, started drinking again. Not

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>sure who started the cocaine thing, maybe Andy Dick, but

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>she got back into cocaine and was in a pretty

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>bad state of mind. And on May twenty seventh, nineteen

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, she had gone out for drinks at an

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Italian restaurant and wanted to go to another bar, but

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>her friend didn't want to, so she called up her

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>old drug and buddy from the seventies and early eighties

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 1>got named Doug, and Doug was clean now, but said,

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>why don't you come over to my house. She had

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.919
<v Speaker 1>some more drinks over there and was basically complaining about

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 1>her marriage, about Phil smoking too much pot and then

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>not getting along and you know, being just at loose ends.

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>At one in the morning, He's like, you know, you

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>need to go home. You need to go home to

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>your husband.

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<v Speaker 2>So she did. I don't think she had much of

0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a choice. Doug was like, you gotta leave, and I

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>guess when she got home. Shortly after that, she and

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.919
<v Speaker 2>Phil got into an argument. Phil went off to bed,

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>managed to fall asleep, and remember bren is on Doloft,

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 2>has been drinking for hours now and is on cocaine.

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>And she went and got one of their guns, thirty

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 2>eight special, and walked up to Phil while he was

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 2>sleeping and shot him three times, once in the head.

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>And I never saw if he woke up or if

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 2>he even knew it happened. Hopefully not, and he just

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>died while he was asleep. That would be what I

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 2>would hope. But he died instantly because he was shot

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>three times at close range.

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So About an hour after that, she called up

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>her friend Doug, who she was just with. She was

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>super drunk at this point. Doug said, you needed to

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>sleep this off. Didn't tell him at that point when

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it happened, And about twenty minutes later, she shows up

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>back at Doug's house saying that she'd killed Phil and

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't believe her. And then apparently, as the story goes,

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 1>while she was there, the gun fell out of her

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>purse and he was like, what is going on? He

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.359
<v Speaker 1>helps her sober up over the course of a couple

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of hours, drives her back over at about six in

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the morning to their house and he sees Phil dead

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and he calls the cops and at that point Brn

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>locks herself in the bedroom with Phil's body, and that's

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>where she was when the cops arrived.

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, both of their kids were in the house at

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 2>the time. I think. Yeah, Sean, the oldest, woke up

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and Doug was like, let's get you out of here,

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and took Sean outside to the police. But the whole

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.919
<v Speaker 2>time Bergen's sleeping to like her mom just murdered her dad,

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and then it just gets worse.

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Actually, Yeah, so she is barricaded in the room with Phil.

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 3>The cops are there.

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>She's making phone calls to friends and family saying, you know,

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>confessing basically to what she had done. And finally, her

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>last call was to her sister Kathy. She said, take

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 1>care of my children. Just let them know how much

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I love them. She got a second gun and laid

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.240
<v Speaker 1>down on the bed next to Phil and shot herself

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and killed herself.

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and became one of the most hated people in America,

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 2>if not the world, almost overnight. I remember eating her

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>guts when I heard about this. Me too, as an

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>older person, I have a little more empathy for just

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the amount of loneliness and then also being on antidepressants,

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>cocaine and alcohol definitely is not a good combination, especially

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 2>when you have guns in the house. But yeah, I've

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 2>changed my approach to her a little bit, and I

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 2>was kind of happy to read that. At the at

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the funeral, Phil's brother John was asking the people in attendance, like,

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>please try to find it in your heart to forgive

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 2>for this, Like this was this was a horrible thing,

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 2>but it's not like she was evil. She was a loving,

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 2>a loving wife and a loving mother, and like, let's

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 2>try to remember her.

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 1>For that, Yeah, for sure, and especially at the funeral

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to have the guts to say something like that was

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 1>pretty stand up thing to do.

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a good like life lesson there. Phil was he

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>was going to come back to news radio. It's not

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 1>like he was done with the show. He was going

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to come back for season five. But like you mentioned,

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>John Lobvitz took over. The first episode of season five

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 1>dealt with the death of the character. It's called Bill

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>moves On. Yeah, very emotional episode. And I think you

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.319
<v Speaker 1>already mentioned that they you know, The Simpsons, was like,

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.919
<v Speaker 1>we're never ever going to get someone to do Troy

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 1>McClure Lionel Huts again.

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true. And then he finally got his star

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 2>on the Walk of Fame in twenty fourteen.

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we should mention Bryn's sister Kathy respected her

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.280
<v Speaker 1>wishes and she's who raised the kids.

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, along with her husband.

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeap, So good for her. Yeah for them. That's Phil Hartman.

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the sad outcomes of all this, Chuck, I think,

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.439
<v Speaker 2>is when you search Phil Hartman, just Phil Hartman, most

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of what comes up on the first couple pages of

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 2>search engines is about the murder. Yeah, yeah, not like

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:10.359
<v Speaker 2>look at all the hilarious stuff he did. So maybe

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.839
<v Speaker 2>look up Phil Hartman SNL videos and just go from

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.879
<v Speaker 2>there totally. And that's all we have to say about

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Phil Hartman for now. So I guess Chuck, it's time

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:20.320
<v Speaker 2>for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from Katie Josiah, a six month old baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, and Chris, this is amazing, guys.

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>My wife and I were just listening to the William A.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell story from a few weeks ago. We heard that

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Bill was the inventor of tang. My wife is from Georgia,

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>but I'm from the Midwest, so we always like to

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about things we grew up with, different foods and traditions, restaurants, etc.

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And how they were similar or sometimes very different. Well,

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I found out that I consumed tang in a very

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>unique way. Apparently hot no.

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:53.479
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was going to say, right up the nose.

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:55.760
<v Speaker 1>When I was young, in the winter months in Ohio,

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 1>my dad would warm up the kettle and mix tang

0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and boiling water was a warm drink that we can

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>have whenever we played out in the snow, and my

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.360
<v Speaker 1>sister and I loved it, and he called it hot tang,

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and I just thought all tang was consumed hot, which

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 1>is pretty funny. I've actually never drank cold or even

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>room temperature tang. Hope all is well with you and

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.439
<v Speaker 1>yours with love from North Georgia, Katie, Josiah six months

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>old and Chris.

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I would try that, especially with like a cinnamon stick.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like a you ever have, like theraflu

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 1>or something when you're sick, man hot or hot Toddy.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I love the taste of theraflu so much. I would

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 2>drink it once in a while when I'm not sick.

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 3>It really puts you to sleep, man, it really does,

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 3>if you get the good stuff. I too love theraflu.

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 2>The warning on the box about your liver is it

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>scares me, so I only do it once in a while.

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean we should get them on as a sponsor, man.

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>We should. We should drink it on the podcast once

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 2>in a while.

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.879
<v Speaker 1>But I bet tang Hot Tang is pretty similar and a.

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 3>Bit a little whiskey in there. I would be pretty good.

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, don't get Katie started this, or at least

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 2>it's only six months old.

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:58.439
<v Speaker 3>No, the Katie is the wife.

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Well, who is six months old?

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 3>What was it? Josiah?

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Okay, I thought Katie's last name was Josiah. I

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 2>see there was a comment in there that I wasn't

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>aware of.

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Chris wrote the letter right, he married Katie.

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and they had Josiah six months ago.

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, gotcha. Well, I guess I should just say congratulations

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.279
<v Speaker 2>to Katie and John.

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for Josiah and everything else.

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 2>There you go. Yeah, and thank you also for sending

0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 2>the email. That was a great one. Hot tang sounds wonderful.

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll go try it. And if you want to be

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 2>like Katie, Josiah and Chris, who I may have just

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 2>called John, I'm not sure, you can send us an

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:44.520
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