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Speaker 1: another NBA season. Later on today's pod, we're gonna countdown

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Speaker 1: share some of our favorite media day moments.

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Speaker 1: Photos, quotes, little social media clips. We'll share some of

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Speaker 1: our favorites with you, but we're starting with a fun

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Speaker 1: question here. Last week, Derek Rose officially announced his retirement.

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Speaker 3: From the NBA.

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Speaker 1: His last act as a pro player came in the

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Speaker 1: form of a letter to the Game of basketball, addressing

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Speaker 1: the highs and the lows that he experienced over a

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Speaker 1: sixteen year career. So Dereck Rose after sixteen years moving on,

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Speaker 1: and it begs the question, especially with the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame ceremony right around the corner, did Dereck Rose have

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career? Because I think this one's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the youngest player ever to win an MVP, but

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Speaker 1: his career obviously ruined by injuries, but then had a

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Speaker 1: long career. We're going to get into it, We're going

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Speaker 1: to break it down. A lot of questions in this

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Speaker 1: but why don't you get it started as a Bulls fan?

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Speaker 1: Did you struggle when looking at highlights, looking at stats,

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Speaker 1: comparing him to other Hall of famers or potential Hall

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Speaker 1: of famers where you ranked Derek Rose?

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Speaker 4: This is really complicated for me, first and foremost, like

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Speaker 4: Derek Rose was pretty credibly accused of sexual assault in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and I have conflicted feelings about him ever

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Speaker 4: since then. Sure, because I stopped being a fan when

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Speaker 4: that happened, But also have very fond memories from his

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Speaker 4: time with the Bulls prior to twenty sixteen. He got

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Speaker 4: drafted the year I got married. His MVP season was

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Speaker 4: the last year I lived in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: He's the best Bulls.

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Speaker 4: Player since Jordan, closest the Bulls have been to a

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Speaker 4: title since Jordan. Both things exist in my mind, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a it's a weird case. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: every MVP in the NBA is in the Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame or will be going into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: Rose doesn't stack up from a counting stats perspective at all.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have a whole bunch of accomplishments outside of

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Speaker 4: the MVP. Because we're really looking at like four good

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Speaker 4: seasons for Derrick Rose before he got hurt in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 4: sat out the entire next season, came back, played ten games,

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Speaker 4: and got hurt again, missed the playoffs there. I think

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Speaker 4: he only won what two or won three playoff series

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Speaker 4: with the Bulls. He won one with the Knicks, where

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Speaker 4: he wasn't really much of a player then, So the

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Speaker 4: career accomplishments, it's not getting.

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Speaker 3: Derek Rose in.

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Speaker 4: It would be the MVP season, and it maybe would

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Speaker 4: be that second season after the MVP just because he

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Speaker 4: was still a great player. The Bulls were still a

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Speaker 4: for two seasons. I mean, clearly, they didn't win.

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Speaker 4: But uh yeah, it was fun going back and watching

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Speaker 4: these memories. Honestly bittersweet for me to like see him playing,

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: The pathway to becoming one of the all time greats.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you would say he was the

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you run into the best player of your generation

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, we're going to get into it.

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Speaker 4: I came in to this entire exercise thinking Derek Rose

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Speaker 2: Where do you fall on this, I think he gets in.

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Speaker 2: I think the Basketball Hall of Fame has changed and

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Speaker 2: I think he may not get into in a class

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Speaker 2: That guy retired in nineteen ninety. That's a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: And I think basketball players see him as that, see

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Speaker 2: So there's that aspect. So there's a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: as he said trade. So maybe it's just MVPs get

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Speaker 4: He officially never played in the NC DOUBLEA, right, I

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean FABA gold medals, there's a couple, but

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Speaker 2: So I think that will help him to be in

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Speaker 2: that's a part of it for Derek Rose too. So's

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Speaker 1: But you're saying to be not a first ballot Hall

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Speaker 4: But the MVP Like, okay, but did you see who

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Speaker 4: It's like Marc Gasol, andre Iguidala, Blake Griffin, guys who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get into the you get into the debate

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Speaker 3: I thought, Uh, Paul Williamson was there was also there.

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Speaker 1: I bring up this NBA newsletter all the time, statitudes.

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Speaker 4: During the like the preseason, he said, why can't I

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Speaker 1: I guess if you're like, you know, you just get

437
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Speaker 1: into All Star Games, which obviously has some importance to

438
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Speaker 1: a lot of these voters. And that's where that's where honestly, again,

439
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: Rose is gonna come If he doesn't make it, he's

440
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Speaker 1: gonna come up short. Not just the counting stats because

441
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Speaker 1: of injuries, but the accolades. I mean, it's Rookie of

442
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Speaker 1: the Year, it's MVP, it's one All MBA, and it's three.

443
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Speaker 2: All Star Games.

444
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Speaker 3: Is it enough?

445
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 2: Michael Cooper is going to the Hall of Fame with

446
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: zero A.

447
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Speaker 3: Sorry, right, It's true. Eventually the titles, yeah.

448
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 2: Lots of titles. And I did say, did Dwight Howard

449
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 2: win a title? No, he did with the Lakers, Pierre

450
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Publico and the stream team chiming in. Yet he threw

451
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 2: some bodies in Nicola Jokicchen twenty twenty in that bubble.

452
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 2: He sure did. I did his job. That's why this

453
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: this whole All Star that the criteria, the resume. Does

454
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 2: it all matter when it comes to the voters. I

455
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 2: don't think so.

456
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Speaker 3: I don't like, Yes, is it the hall or the

457
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 3: Hall of Famous? As someone wild the chat there, Yeah,

458
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: and Rose was famous.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like a baseball resume has to be

460
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 2: more resume, like, has to have more things on the resume. Well,

461
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: in basketball now it's more just that guy was really

462
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: good and the MVP is part of it for sure.

463
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Speaker 2: If he's not.

464
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Speaker 1: If he doesn't, we're not probably having this conversation.

465
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Speaker 3: Ryeah, exactly right.

466
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Speaker 1: Did he have an impact on a number of NBA

467
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Speaker 1: finals or conference finals? Obviously not the finals, but he

468
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: did make that one conference finals they lost in five

469
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Speaker 1: to the Heat. Yes, he averaged you know, I think

470
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Speaker 1: about twenty five and six, you know, sort of his

471
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of MVP like numbers in the East Finals,

472
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Speaker 1: but he shot just thirty five percent in that so

473
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Speaker 1: he came up a little short for him in those

474
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Speaker 1: five games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's also the closest the Bulls have been

476
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Speaker 4: to a championship since nineteen ninety eight. A one to

477
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 4: zero lead in the conference finals, right, and then Lebron

478
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 4: started guarding him in the fourth quarters, forcing into a

479
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Speaker 4: whole bunch of turnovers. The Bulls had a ten point

480
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Speaker 4: lead with three minutes left in the fourth quarter of

481
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Speaker 4: Game five at home, and then Lebron hits two threes

482
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Speaker 4: and another jumper. Dwayne Wade goes crazy as well. I

483
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Speaker 4: think they ended the game on like a sixteen to

484
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 4: three run or something like that. Bulls should have won

485
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Speaker 4: Game five, probably losing six anyways. But yeah, that's the

486
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Speaker 4: only Conference finals he made with the Bulls period.

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Speaker 1: Is he the best player at his position who is

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Speaker 1: eligible for the Hall of Fame. I'll give you some

489
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Speaker 1: other names that aren't in there that you know, we're

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Speaker 1: looking at sort of guards. His Basketball Reference only has

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Speaker 1: Dereck Rose's Hall of Fame probability at ten point five percent,

492
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Speaker 1: so very very low. But other guys, you know, John Wall,

493
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Speaker 1: Gilbert Reinas, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, who had actually more accolades.

494
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Speaker 1: He was a three time All Star, made five All

495
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Speaker 1: NBA teams. They're higher on the probability list. You know,

496
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Speaker 1: where do you think where would you sort of put

497
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Speaker 1: Rows with a lot of those guys, because there's some

498
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Speaker 1: similarities to some of them.

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Speaker 4: At least I'd take Rose over all of those guys

500
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Speaker 4: at his peak. Oh, absolutely at his peak. And I think, like,

501
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, John Wall has a similar career to Derreck Rose.

502
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: You know, he doesn't have a lot of postseason success,

503
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Speaker 4: does have more accolades because he was healthy for longer,

504
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Speaker 4: but then once he started getting hurt, he just became

505
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Speaker 4: a guy, which is what Dereck Rose was for the

506
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Speaker 4: back ten years basically of his career. I don't know,

507
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I think I would take

508
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Speaker 4: Rose over all those guys. I mean, Mark Price was

509
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 4: a good player, but he doesn't have real success as

510
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Speaker 4: a winning champions are going to a conference finals, things

511
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: like that.

512
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Speaker 3: Obviously Wall doesn't. Who else did you mention Gilbert Kevin Johnson?

513
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, stuff like that.

514
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: Kevin Johnson went to a finals. Yeah and again.

515
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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like Mark Price, four time All Star,

516
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: four time All NBA. But you get into this thing

517
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Speaker 1: like what's more impressive to you? I guess to win

518
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Speaker 1: an MVP and have three All Star selections or to

519
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: be a four time All NBA player, I mean, honestly

520
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Speaker 1: is sort of what you're getting at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, part of it. Yeah, and you're like.

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Speaker 1: You can I mean, I don't think anyone's wrong. However

523
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Speaker 1: you answer, it's whatever more important to you. We always say,

524
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: or I've said before. You know, you know, one criteria

525
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: to me for the Basketball Hall of Fame is like,

526
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Speaker 1: can you tell the history of basketball without that player?

527
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Speaker 1: If you can, then they don't really need to be

528
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Speaker 1: in there. And this is where it gets interesting because

529
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Speaker 1: like you almost technically can't tell the complete history of

530
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Speaker 1: basketball when you exclude an mvpcause you're sort of excluding

531
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Speaker 1: that year. Now, he didn't go on to win the title.

532
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Speaker 1: I get that he gets bounced by Lebron. He probably

533
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Speaker 1: was the best player. So it gets a little shady,

534
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Speaker 1: but it's part of the equation for me at least.

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Speaker 2: Right and he was absolutely incredule that season in twenty ten,

536
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, you grab the world by storm in those

537
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: first three years and how the ascension happened. And yes,

538
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: obviously the dissension happened quickly, but that is because of

539
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: injury in twenty twelve. So yes, it's all about the story,

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00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: and it is a good story when when you consider

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Speaker 2: those first few years and how how he ascended and

542
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: when you're watching the highlights, do.

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Speaker 3: You have a favorite Derek Rose highlight duncan on Dragic.

544
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, duncan on dragch is the one for me.

545
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: It goes hand in hand with like the Stacy King

546
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Speaker 4: call on it as will Derek Rose can go upstairs?

547
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Speaker 3: What are you doing dragitch? Do you not get the memo?

548
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: It makes me sick?

549
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 4: Man, watch it this stuff and like actually remembering the

550
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: order of the lines that Stacy King is saying everything.

551
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Speaker 4: But he had so many dunks early in his career

552
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: that just like, are unbelievable. He's dunk in like Amri

553
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: Staudemeier in the lane, a six foot three unbelievable stuff.

554
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: I was doing even more research today. I found out

555
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: that Derek Rose, okay, Bob Pettitt was the first NBA MVP,

556
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 4: so clearly he wasn't on the ballot the year before.

557
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 4: Wilt chamberlains Unseld they were rookies when they won MVP,

558
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: so they weren't on the ballot before. Derek Rose is

559
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: the only other guy who didn't show up, didn't get

560
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Speaker 4: any MVP votes, then came and won the MVP.

561
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Speaker 3: That was a huge season twenty ten to eleven.

562
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: Basically started shooting three pointers, got a little bit more respect,

563
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: a little bit more savvy from the rest drawing files,

564
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: and he just was able to put the team on

565
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Speaker 4: his back. I saw that the Bulls picked his banked

566
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Speaker 4: in three game winner from the twenty fifteen playoffs against

567
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Speaker 4: the Cavs. They picked that as his number one moment

568
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 4: in Chicago, and I think it's probably because he had

569
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 4: been hurt at that point, came back kind of a

570
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 4: throwback game, got him a win against Lebron as well.

571
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: They should have won Game four. David Blatt stepped on

572
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 4: the court tried to call a time out, but they

573
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: didn't get get teed up, and instead Lebron hit a

574
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: jumper from the corner and Brad Miller getting hit in

575
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Speaker 4: the head by Rajon Rondo in the nine playoffs or

576
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: two calls that could have gone the Bulls way and

577
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 4: flipped those series.

578
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Speaker 1: Man, this was really opening up some old wounds for you.

579
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: Sorry we put you through that.

580
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: It was so good, It was so good, I want

581
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 4: I probably watched like five hours worth of the man.

582
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh.

583
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Speaker 1: Berta, here's something we sort of already touched on. But

584
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Speaker 1: again from stattitudes. One of the questions they asked when

585
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Speaker 1: assessing a Hall of Fame career.

586
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Was he good enough?

587
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Was Rose good enough that he could play regularly after

588
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: passing his prime And you know, Justin really did the

589
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: work there and we talked about it. He never approached

590
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: obviously those previous levels before the knee injury. But in

591
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Speaker 1: his age thirty to thirty two seasons, Rose finished sixth, seventh,

592
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Speaker 1: and third, respectively in the sixth Man of the Year

593
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Speaker 1: Award voting. He had that career high fifty point game

594
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Timberwolves in a win over Utah on

595
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Speaker 1: Halloween Night in twenty eighteen. That was that game, Like

596
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: that moved him to tears, and you know he was

597
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: he did, like for all the injuries early on that

598
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: zapped a lot of his athleticism. He played a long,

599
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: long time and he played for New York, Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland,

600
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Speaker 1: and Memphis and had good years there as a contributing player,

601
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: like he wasn't at the end of the bench. There's

602
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: years are we still scoring Like eighteen a game he.

603
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Scored fifty, which is pretty incredible remembering that game. But

604
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: that is a big part of it. Turning your career

605
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: around and playing for an extended period of time.

606
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: What's helped Vinco absolutely for sure get in.

607
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so he played a chunk of years as as

608
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: a supporting guy. That wasn't expected by me, Absolutely not.

609
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: It didn't seem that way with how things went in

610
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Cleveland where he did disappear for a couple of weeks

611
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: and it seemed like he was at the end. But

612
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: then the Minnesota days he was a piston, which is

613
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: a piston which is easy to forget, and the Knicks

614
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: ones are are memorable at the beginning of that run,

615
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: and then you're.

616
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Speaker 3: Not gonna believe this.

617
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: He had a knee injury with the Knicks as well,

618
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: and that was really the end the twenty twenty one playoffs,

619
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Speaker 4: but he did have some nice moments for the Knicks,

620
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 4: then had some good moments for the timber Wolves as well.

621
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Speaker 4: There was a game I watched, I think it was

622
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: Rose's second game on the road in Chicago. It was

623
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Speaker 4: with the Timberwolves as well. He's getting mpp chance. They

624
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 4: ended up blowing out the Bulls because twenty nineteen Bowls.

625
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: Were not the best team.

626
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 4: But man, he's like literally smiling at the free throw

627
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: line in the fourth quarter because everybody's going crazy for him.

628
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: He had a really nice game between two stinky teams.

629
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Speaker 4: He's wearing a white and purple Prince themed jersey for

630
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Timberwolves. The Bulls are wearing their like Chicago

631
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: flag one across the chest. Looks insane, but yeah, I

632
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: mean that was cool. When Rose came back to Chicago

633
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: for the Knicks for his first game as a road player,

634
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: it's him and Joakim Noah. That is weird to see

635
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: him diamond up Joakim Noah for dunks and they're wearing

636
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: Knicks blue. People are going crazy for him as well.

637
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: Anytime he came back to Chicago was a cool moment.

638
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Are most players who have comparable statistics in the Hall

639
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: of Fame.

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00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: Here's the case.

641
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Rose finished with career averages of seventeen point four points

642
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: per game, which I actually thought was a little higher

643
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: than I had anticipated. Obviously knew he scored like in

644
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: bunches to start his career, but then I thought he

645
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: scored much less as his career went on. But still

646
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: seventeen you know, almost and a half and then five.

647
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: Point two assists per game.

648
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Speaker 1: There are twenty three eligible players who have averaged at

649
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: least seventeen points per game and five assists per game

650
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: for their career. Seventeen of them have been elected to

651
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. With those type of numbers are

652
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: above the six who have not been elected, Gilbert Orinas,

653
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Steve Francis, Kevin Johnson. So a couple names still coming up,

654
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Stephen Marbury, Reggie Theus, and Gus Williams. So that's sort

655
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: of the Again, I mean, I know you're nitpicking when

656
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you pick these stats and this is justin again from statudes,

657
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: but like you know, it gives you an idea. And

658
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: again they thought overall the stats were a little bit better.

659
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: The averages were better than I thought they were. And

660
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's because you know, you didn't hear a lot

661
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: from Derek Rose at the end end of his career.

662
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: And then finally.

663
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: Because after the second injury, he became just the role

664
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: player point guard immediately sixteen and five. That was for

665
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: the rest of his career. And I mean he's putting

666
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: up numbers for Detroit and literally you have to go

667
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: back and remember when you played for the Pistons. You know, like, yeah, cool,

668
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: you finished sixth or six end of the year voting,

669
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: but that wasn't really like making an impact on the league.

670
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: But you know, like Vince Carter gets credit for sticking

671
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: around for a long time, not putting up big numbers,

672
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: but like when you compare them to stuff on Marbury,

673
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 4: aink ain't getting in right, you know, No, it's basically.

674
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: Do how much do you value those first four years?

675
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: Do you think twenty five and eight MVP season is

676
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: enough to get in because you could theoretically extrapolate it

677
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: like this guy hadn't reached his prime yet.

678
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: What if he was actually healthy when he was twenty

679
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: seven years old, what would he have been? Who knows?

680
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: Obviously didn't happen the major sliding doors moment, but I

681
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: think the stats, like you're saying, are better than people

682
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: would think. They would think his career ended after twenty twelve.

683
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: For the rest part, right, and then the final one here,

684
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: and I know we've touched on a little bit of

685
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: this what impact did the player have on basketball history?

686
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: So you know, sort of away from the NBA in

687
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, he hit a shot to win

688
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: an Illinois state championship, then pivoted that into a thirty

689
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: eight win season with the Memphis Tigers. In two thousand

690
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and eight, they went to the championship game. They lost

691
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: in overtime. But of course that entire season is like

692
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: wiped from the record books. It's vacated due to problems

693
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: with Derek Rose's SATs. So that's a weird one. It's like,

694
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, that would maybe help his case, because again

695
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: it's the basketball fame, like some of these guys like

696
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Al Horford, I think is going to be helped out eventually,

697
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, by the college championships, they'll give him a

698
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: little boost and maybe this would have I know, they'd

699
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: win the title. But they had a great year. But

700
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: now it's completely gone. So how will whoever votes on this,

701
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: will they even take.

702
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: That into the account?

703
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Can you even take that into account if they say

704
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: it's gone? You said Rose one gold medal's playing for

705
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the US national team, twenty ten Feeble World Championship, twenty

706
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: fourteen Feeble World Cup. And yeah, we had the Derek

707
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Rose rule with the rookie contract, earn more money there

708
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven CBA by accomplishing some feats like winning MVP,

709
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: and then he had one of the coldest mixtapes of

710
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: all time. Yes, the highlights, some of the coolest highlights

711
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: of all time. So it's sort of the impact.

712
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: Is there anything else? I'm sort of.

713
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: Missing positive impact now. I think I think we hit

714
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: every point. The mixtape is good. So when you go

715
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame and they play a little video,

716
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: yeah it's good. It's very very good. So that's why

717
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: the fame part, especially as a basketball player as a

718
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: number one option on your team, plays a huge role

719
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: more so than in other Hall of fames. And it

720
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: will I think for Derrek Rowse when it's all said and.

721
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: You think he will get into the Hall of Fame eventually.

722
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on the year. I think it does

723
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: depend on the year because you just you can't enter

724
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: with I don't know, a Hall of Fame year where

725
00:32:54,320 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: it's yokich and yeah, so it does. It just you

726
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: just have to factor everything in. And so that's why

727
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Bilps is in ten years later. Here he is, He's

728
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: in Michael Cooper's in. Yeah, I am yes, Mo Cheeks

729
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: he won an NBA finals man Mo Cheeks way back

730
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: when it is it is Mo Cheeks in a year now.

731
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, Oh, I don't know, but I know

732
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: he's getting no's.

733
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, he's Yeah, so it all, It all

734
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: depends on who's around you. That's I think that's a thing. Now,

735
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: it just matters what you end up retiring, slash retiring

736
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: slash being involved with that class that particular.

737
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: But if you're one of.

738
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: These mysterious Hall of Fame voters and maybe you are, well,

739
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: we know, would he get your vote?

740
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? For what the Basketball Hall of Fame is now? Yes?

741
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, TK your final verdict on Derrek Rose Hall of

742
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: Fame case?

743
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: My final verdict is that I do think he's going

744
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: to get in. He's an MVP, and I think that

745
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame will respect the story of basketball.

746
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, Skeets, we're putting him in because he

747
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: was an MVP. And the thing that really pushed me

748
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: over the edge for it was hearing guys like Lebron,

749
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade, Jeff Tigue talking about Derek Rose and Kevin

750
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: Garnett and Paul Pierce. They were talking about it on

751
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: their podcast, like how much respect all of the other

752
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: players his contemporaries had for him. They're all saying Steph

753
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 4: Curry wanted nothing with Derek Rose. Steph Curry couldn't handle

754
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: Derreck Rose. They called it the Derek Rose era KG

755
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: and and Paul Pierce did I was like Derek Rose

756
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: a Lebron James era. He was an awesome player. Yeah,

757
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: other players have a lot of respect for Derek Rose.

758
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: He's your favorite, Hooper's favorite. Hooper was the saying for

759
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: a while coming back from his injuries. I mean, as

760
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: a major story in the NBA as well, You like

761
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: you look at Grant Hill. Kind of hard to compare

762
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: their careers because Grant was like a college superstar as well.

763
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: He had a longer run at the beginning of his

764
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: career before his injuries kicked in. But he was a

765
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: beloved guy around the league as well and eventually got in.

766
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 4: So I think Rose ultimately will make the Hall of

767
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: Fame eventually.

768
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. I even saw the stream team before

769
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: he went live. There's like conflicting thoughts on Rose, like,

770
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the opposite ends of the spectrum, right, There's

771
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: people like, one thousand percent he's a Hall of Famer,

772
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: he was an MVP, the youngest ever, blah blah, all

773
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: the things we went over, and then on the other end,

774
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: it's like, are you kidding me? I mean, he didn't

775
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: have many high impact seasons. A lot of people think

776
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: he was terribly overrated. Like there's like just a it's

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: a wide, wide gap between how people feel about his career.

778
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I actually am with you, guys. I do think he'll

779
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: eventually get in. I don't maybe love it the way

780
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: the Basketball Hall of Fame is gone, where it feels

781
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: like we've sort of like opened up the doors the

782
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: floodgates and almost everybody gets in. I mean, I'm sort

783
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: of over almost complaining about it at this point. But

784
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: before that reason, I do think Rose eventually. I think

785
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: it will take some time. I don't think it's gonna

786
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: happen right. It's not gonna be first ball or anything

787
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: like that, no matter who else is on the ballot.

788
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna take a while, and then it will be

789
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: there will be like a swelling of support, like, hey,

790
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: he was an MVP, and it feels wrong to not

791
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: have one of those guys in the league that sort

792
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: of think we we'll get at But I don't think

793
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: you would get my vote right now.

794
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: For sure. I just don't.

795
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: It's like, but then I go back and forth. I'm like,

796
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: so Joe Johnson's gonna make the Hall of Fame is

797
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: he okay, I mean probably Harway, it's making it. It's like, yeah,

798
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: seven time All Star, eight time All Stars, stuff like that,

799
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, well, oh my god. Like again,

800
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I'm not dissing Joe Johnson, but

801
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: it feels weird that I'd have a Hall of Fame

802
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: or Joe Johnson would have maybe get in, and then

803
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: not have Dereck Rose, even though he had a much shorter,

804
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: high impact seasons to play with. But that list I

805
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: went over that really that actually like caught me in

806
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: like dead in my tracks, would stopped me dead in

807
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: my tracks when I was like, holy crap. To average

808
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: that in your first three seasons, Rose barely missed a

809
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: game to average like twenty and a half points per

810
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: game and the six and a half assists. And it

811
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: was guys like Isaiah Lebron, you know, some more interesting

812
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: current players, like I said, Trey Young, John Morant, like

813
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: he was well on his path obviously for a Hall

814
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: of Fame career, but you know, injuries suck man. I

815
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: got a little trivia question for you guys, though you

816
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: slipped in Rose scoring thirty six in his playoff debut.

817
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: Can you name the three let's call it, three other

818
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: players to score more than thirty six in their playoff.

819
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: Debut, playoff debut. Yeah, rookie debut.

820
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Playoff play that's Cherry Pickett.

821
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, I mean, and it's interesting. Okay.

822
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: So we got one super old guy that wore glasses,

823
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: George Michael. I'll just get that one out of the way.

824
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: He scored thirty seven in his first playoff game way

825
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: back in what nineteen forty nine or whatever the hell?

826
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: It was a big game. Okay.

827
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Then these two it's happened in the last well four seasons,

828
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: so in twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty three.

829
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: These two current players, good players. Luca Okay, Luca correct

830
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: two points in his playoff debut.

831
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: There in twenty twenty, twenty twenty two. You said, was

832
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: will you think about me?

833
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a tough one. I love this player.

834
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: He is a one time All Star.

835
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: I say that. No, oh yeah, that was twenty twenty four.

836
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: This guy is a one time All Star. Uh and

837
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: he made it two years ago. I'll give you that time.

838
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: I know he was in the mix. He's been in

839
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: the mix let's yeah, for a couple of seasons, I

840
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: feel like we just able to get this. This is

841
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: pretty recent. This is very recent. It's forgotten, it's for trade. Interesting. No,

842
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: he was in the playoffs, go go West Coast.

843
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: Okay, that's much easier.

844
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: To have super athletic point guard Edwards. No, he scored

845
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: thirty six though. Okay, so he tied Rose, not joh

846
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: because he was in the playoffs.

847
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: Not job, job, not shit.

848
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: No.

849
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: No, let's see if the chat has gotten it.

850
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: Let's see if the chat has gotten hold on him.

851
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.

852
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: Trying to think about who was making.

853
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Playing somebody's Fox.

854
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: There it is, I just saw great apps a Kings guy.

855
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: That's right, it is Fox.

856
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: Well done.

857
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, Luca Fox, George micn the only wants to

858
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: score more in their playoff debut than Derek Rose.

859
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: And then a couple other guys also had thirty six.

860
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: That's tough.

861
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: Big three. Yeah, yeah, speaking of the Big three, I'm

862
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: looking at a guy who played three years in the

863
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Big three who might make the Basketball Hall of Fame.

864
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: Who am I looking at?

865
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: Joe Johnson.

866
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: That's right, Joe Johnson. Here's the He's definitely not been

867
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: up for the NBA up up for the Hall of

868
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: Fame to this point because he played one game in

869
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: the twenty one twenty two season. You got to be

870
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: out of the league for four seasons. We know that

871
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: we know nothing about the Basketball Hall team, but you

872
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: must be out of the league for four seasons after

873
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: your NBA career. He played one game for the Boston

874
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: Celtics in twenty one to twenty two. Yeah, you remember

875
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: that game? You watched it?

876
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: No, I do I remember that he went that he

877
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: was back.

878
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: It was the time when they were like giving out

879
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: dispensations because a lot of guys were going down with

880
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: COVID and they had to, you know, extend the rosters

881
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: and give out these extra contracts, and for whatever reason,

882
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 4: Joe Johnson got one of them.

883
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played two minutes in that game. That's it.

884
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: That's all he played.

885
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: Well, we'll definitely get the poll up and hear from

886
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys, so you can weigh in, as you've been

887
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: doing in the stream team right now. Is Derek Rose

888
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer? Do you think he'll get in

889
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: or or not? Will we come up short, you know,

890
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: a simple yes or no. Will probably suffice.

891
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: Currently the vote is going sixty one percent.

892
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: Four oh.

893
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, And how did you word it exactly?

894
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: Is Derek Rose a Hall of Famer?

895
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: Okay? Yes?

896
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Or so that's really more of a personal opinion, because

897
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: then you can't pass the buck and say, well, hall

898
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: of Fame, what's everybody?

899
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: And of course he'll get in.

900
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: That's whether you believe Derek's all famo.

901
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 5: Okay.

902
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: My last note October thirty first, twenty thirteen. We had

903
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: just recently started with the NBA TV. Derek Rose is

904
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: playing in his home opener after missing the entire previous season.

905
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: Remember that he was cleared to play, were to play

906
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: in like January of twenty thirteen, started practicing in March

907
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: of twenty thirteen. Everyone's like, Derek Rose coming back? Is

908
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 4: Derek Rose coming back? Never came back that whole season.

909
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: Finally comes back to twenty thirteen, fourteen season. We're starting

910
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: at NBA TV. They're playing the Knicks. He hits that

911
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: crazy floater from the baseline drops in. They cut to

912
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: like a baseline angle and there are two guys dressed

913
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: up because it's Halloween and they're dressed up like Mozart.

914
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: It was so funny to me that I was like, God,

915
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: look at those Victorian people. I also remember that was

916
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: the first time I ever said something is back, because

917
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: we had a show.

918
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: That next Monday.

919
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: Wow. And then Derek Rose got hurt like a week later.

920
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: Oh for the rest of us.

921
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: See what we're getting at is you gotta stop watching

922
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: Derek Rose bat example when.

923
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: You're watching it. Unfortunately, Man, that was the first it's back.

924
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: That was the first sounds a nice good, no dunkster

925
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: slash starters trivia question right there. That will come up

926
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: in some bar trivia twenty years ago.

927
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: That'd be a tough question.

928
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: That'd be very tough, very tough, only for the sick

929
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: of Okay, Monday was media day for twenty eight of

930
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: the thirty NBA teams, featuring new faces and new places

931
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and tons of optimism, some muscle watch or maybe shedding

932
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: of pounds, and all that whole bunch of social media silliness.

933
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: So the two exceptions, by the way, were Boston and Denver.

934
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: They got to start camp last week before heading to

935
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: the United Air of Emirates for preseason games. But we

936
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: thought it'd be fun to sort of compile some of

937
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: our favorite photos and quotes and clips from the real

938
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: media day with all of these teams. So we got

939
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff here for you. First thing, rockets

940
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year candidate Reed Shepherd showing up with

941
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: the mustache. I mean he's already got a hilarious haircut

942
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: read Shepherd, and now he is paired a little whimsical mustache.

943
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: How do we feel about this?

944
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: It's giving armand from season one, White Lotus. I can't

945
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: believe this is a real NBA player, like a young

946
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: NBA player as a rookie four unbelievable.

947
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: If he takes a dump into the luggage, watch up. Okay,

948
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: let's keep a moving here.

949
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: The next clip actually is Yannis who was asked about

950
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: his wedding night and I think he had fun.

951
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 5: He said the wood was my favorite part from the wedding.

952
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 5: I think the wedding night after the wedding, that was

953
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: my food part.

954
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's this guy is a horn dog.

955
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: Full of dad jokes man. Every single time, every single time,

956
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: he still got it, he still got.

957
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: We were going through the clips before the show and

958
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: JD you mentioned how he's like the new Dwight Howard

959
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: like sort of like those like type of jokes and

960
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: being a little horny and.

961
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, so nice to have a horny guy back.

962
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like Dwight didn't he say that like

963
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: he wanted to be a porn star. When we asked

964
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: him what kind of movie would be? Would be your

965
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: movie at at All Star Media Day.

966
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 6: Or all of his answers it was like, what what

967
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 6: would your name be? Or for something not related to anything,

968
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 6: sexual chocolate?

969
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: I thought it was March you know what that was? Man?

970
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 6: Yes, but that was his the what the name of

971
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 6: his fragrance would be sexual chocolate?

972
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yest, Yeah, Gort wasn't He wasn't the Polish hammer.

973
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 4: Yeah great, honest is warning for his wife?

974
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, that's just wholesome, loves to talk about. Definitely.

975
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: Did me say like his favorite Greek god was Afroditing?

976
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: I think he did. I'm pretty sure that's the help.

977
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: That's great.

978
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: Man. Do you think that was the first time he

979
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: ever had sex?

980
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: I mean that he's kind of didn't like it, had

981
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: the blowjob button back in the day. Yeah.

982
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: Intercourse, we got another funny photo here from media Day.

983
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: It's a women ya, I'm a dwarfing what appears to

984
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: be tiny Chris Paul in their first Spurs photos together.

985
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: There was a lot of video and uh and obviously

986
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: photos of these two doing their media day. And I

987
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: know there's one going around of like Zach Edy and

988
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: what's the guy's name, the short Grizzlies guard. I'm drawing

989
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: a blank on his name. But they're replicating the classic

990
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: manut Ball and Muggsy Bogues photo. But I think this

991
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: one is more glaring, and probably because Wenby is skinny,

992
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: I think, so you know where Zach is just more big.

993
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: I think it's the lens to the zoom out lens

994
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: looks like a point five iPhone lens, so it looks different.

995
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: He looks yeah, super super super tell Yeah, this.

996
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: Is more accurate to the New Bowl Muggsy Bogues photo

997
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 4: to me yea than Zach Edy. And I think the

998
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: guy's name is Yuki Kawa Mura. That's it because both

999
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: of those guys are a little Edie and Yuki are

1000
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: both like stock.

1001
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: They's stock kind of.

1002
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: But whereas this match is perfectly we got the tall,

1003
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 4: skinny guy in the shorter stockier.

1004
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah right, because Muggsy was obviously five to three quite stock. Yeah,

1005
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: it was just a stick so fun stuff there also

1006
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: just about him, Chris Paul, Greg Papovich.

1007
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: They talked a lot about mutually.

1008
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Despising each other, which was funny, both of them sharing

1009
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: clips about that. Okay, Next on our list, here the

1010
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Herb Jones for Defensive Player of the Year campaign. It's

1011
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: already gotten underway. We haven't played one single game, but

1012
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: this is Trey Murphy showing off the Herb Jones for

1013
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: dp O Y shirt.

1014
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: Here on Media Day.

1015
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: This just proves that awards are always a year late.

1016
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: This must have been printed last year. He just forgot

1017
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: to wear it. Now he's wearing it right, Yeah, why

1018
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: else would he be wearing it?

1019
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: This gotta start your campaigning early. I gotta respect it.

1020
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: I think the printer just didn't work for like a

1021
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: few months last year. He got it in the Summer's like, ah,

1022
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: I'll wear it media Day. I'll wear it to Media Day

1023
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: for sure.

1024
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Shout out to Retro Underscore Pels for that one. Another

1025
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: clip here, and get ready for a lot of this

1026
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: US this season. Lebron and Bronny bickering like father and

1027
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: son real club.

1028
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: Here.

1029
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 7: I looked at the film and he did step out

1030
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 7: of bounds, but I'm not I'm not gonna go there.

1031
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go there around. That's a big part

1032
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: of but you gonna go down right now?

1033
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: You just went there.

1034
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 5: I mean, but I stepped out of bound. I don't

1035
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 5: even have that angle. But like, all I know is

1036
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: I gotta stop.

1037
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 7: Tell him about to stop. I got all you when

1038
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 7: you driven out of bounds though, And I was a

1039
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 7: foul to slap the whole arm.

1040
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: And we see did they call it did?

1041
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 7: And we're gonna get the car and I'm playing against exactly.

1042
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: Uh, pretty funny. I love it. That's pretty wild. But

1043
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: I can't.

1044
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: It's so trippy because he's like, sounds just like him.

1045
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: His mannerisms are just like him. So it's like it

1046
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: literally is like a young Lebron just talking to old Lebron,

1047
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: and it's like sort of blowing my mind. And that

1048
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: they're on the same team, of course, and it sounds

1049
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: like it's gonna happen earlier, that these two are going

1050
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: to get in the game. So I don't think we've

1051
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: gone over that. I know we had a debate about

1052
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: that a couple podcasts ago, but yeah, what are your thoughts?

1053
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: I think it's so cool, Like Lebron Senior is in

1054
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: clearly a great mood. They're so funny together because you

1055
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 4: know their father and son, and there's nothing better than ripping.

1056
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: On your dad and your dad ripping on you back.

1057
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: It's great.

1058
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: Like Bronni being asked if they're going to commute to

1059
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: games together, It's like, definitely not. I don't want to

1060
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: spend more time with that guy than I have to.

1061
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 4: It's gonna move out. Do they still live together problem?

1062
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: I think so. I haven't heard my Instagram it seems

1063
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: like it. But yeah, that's a It's gonna be a

1064
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: weird subplot for the entirety of the year, especially when

1065
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: we actually get into games and we're like, is Bronni

1066
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 4: going to be a part of the Lakers rotation?

1067
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: If they're really trying to win a championship? Who knows?

1068
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: But day one seeing them interact with each other very cool.

1069
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just did not expect them to be that

1070
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: good from day one together. I just did not expect it. Well,

1071
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: it was lebron this good twenty one years ago when

1072
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: he was on the MIC early in his career. This

1073
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: is this is really good stuff from Bronnie James to

1074
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: get it from the get go, and will he be

1075
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: part of the rotation. Lebron didn't say he would be.

1076
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: He said Max Christie is going to be part of

1077
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: that rotation. He didn't say anything about Bronnie James anyways.

1078
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Now I'm just trying to start stuff like Bronnie James

1079
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: tried to start stuff there with Pops. Always good stuff,

1080
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: just good stuff.

1081
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: Very funny photo from Chicago Bulls Media Day. The Bulls

1082
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: are back, The boys are back being sad. Maybe I

1083
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: got zach Lavine and Vucovich just caught at the wrong time.

1084
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: Possibly, but a little down in the dumps here t ca.

1085
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

1086
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 4: This was every Bulls fans reaction seeing this picture as well,

1087
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: because I mean, what's really happening. Like they're probably doing

1088
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: like a pregame hype video. They're like, look tough, Yeah,

1089
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: but it definitely looks.

1090
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: Like they are not happy to be there.

1091
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 4: And you know, I think a lot of Bulls fans

1092
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: around the country are like, these guys are still there.

1093
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: We still got zach Lavine and Nicola Vuevic and they're

1094
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: acting like it.

1095
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody needs to go in there and say exactly

1096
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: what they were told to do well. The Bulls should

1097
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: say yeah, they were being told to act hard just

1098
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: so they don't look as sad.

1099
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: Because they look they were told to act sad.

1100
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, maybe they're killing it. I mean there's other

1101
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: photos I know are man. Kenny Beachm's just shared a

1102
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: photo of Lonzo Ball and Iodasumu with Vouch and Zach Lavine.

1103
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: It all feels weird.

1104
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: Well, I saw a clip of all the young Bulls players.

1105
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: They were having the time of their life. They're doing

1106
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: little dances and stuff like that.

1107
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: That video was worse than this photo. Oh he didn't

1108
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: like that, and I didn't like that. Io was a

1109
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: part of it. Man, you're too good for this.

1110
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: Please.

1111
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's cringe festival. Let's keep moving.

1112
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: Here to a very funny clip Kawhi Leonard possibly still

1113
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: a robot in case you were wandering from at Ball,

1114
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: don't lie. Here he is enjoying media day, spinning around

1115
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: on this little platform here in front of the green screen.

1116
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: And a great tweet from Blazer's Palace, my hot pocket

1117
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: looking at me in the microwave about two am.

1118
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 3: That's it goes round.

1119
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely in arena video for yeah, free game

1120
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: or something. That's all it is. Well, they got that.

1121
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Slick new gigantic board that they got to put a

1122
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: million things on there in the intuit though.

1123
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: It looks incredible how big it is. It's huge.

1124
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: But man, Kawhi Leonard, he's when it's also done. He's

1125
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a great like highlight package from just Media day.

1126
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah with the.

1127
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: Laugh back in the Raptors days. It's very difficulty. Now,

1128
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: this one I think goes on the list. Good stuff there.

1129
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: Derek Lively the second, crashing Luca's photo shoot to give

1130
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: him his flowers, and here he is. We'll show everyone

1131
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: here on YouTube. I'm sneakily handing some roses to Luca.

1132
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't know what to do. No, it's okay, kids,

1133
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: that's all he says. Kids. Blandly has a good personality.

1134
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1135
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what was that clip or I guess it

1136
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: was like their schedule release. He was at the zoo

1137
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, having the time of his life. Yeah,

1138
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: that was being on a camera. Fun pick from Raptors

1139
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: Me today, Grady Dick popping out of a giant dinosaur

1140
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: egg to say, hey, and this guy everybody excited and

1141
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: we'll show you in a second the purple jerseys because

1142
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: you can see the purple there on Grady's shoulder. But

1143
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: this reminded me because I know the Raptors celebrating their

1144
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of the Raptor's mascot being born tasked back

1145
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five, and he did pop out of

1146
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: an egg. Some you know, beefy dudes dropped him off.

1147
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: The guy knocked on the egg. I never noticed that before.

1148
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: Come on out, all right, pop out.

1149
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Hey, it's your time. So they don't show the beefy

1150
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: boys faces.

1151
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: No strange theods their faces shown.

1152
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe that was game one.

1153
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was how he was born.

1154
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: Crack Jurassic Park exactly like Jurassic Rassic Park.

1155
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: I think that will re enact that like home opener.

1156
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: The beefy old boys will come out like old wrestlers.

1157
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: Michael, but it jumps out.

1158
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: But I said, the purple jerseys that you saw their

1159
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: official this is going to be their classic edition, Purple

1160
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Fever they're calling them.

1161
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: At least this era, this era when the Raptors were

1162
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: not very good, very couple.

1163
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: I guess we had a couple of two thousand and

1164
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: one second round seven games against Alan iverson wearing those

1165
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: cool jerseys. Controversial take.

1166
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 3: These are the best Raptors jerseys.

1167
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard people say that because it has the

1168
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: black on the back.

1169
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, two tone.

1170
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 4: I preferred these to the striped Dino. And these are

1171
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: to me maybe the first jersey I remember that was

1172
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 4: a different color front and back.

1173
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that's cool, true, And these are the jerseys

1174
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: that Vince was wearing in his dunk in his dunk

1175
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: contest to win.

1176
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: Way better than the pinstripes, there's there's no death.

1177
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Way better wow.

1178
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah than that Raptor that looked like a cartoon. Come on,

1179
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: love that Raptor this Yeah, but not as a jersey.

1180
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: It's fun to wear them basically because they're a throwback,

1181
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: because they're old, but not because they're good.

1182
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: I am going which one's better?

1183
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1184
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: I do like those two.

1185
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: So there that you think they're the first NBA jersey

1186
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: that had two tones period the front back like as

1187
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: a as a front back, because that was their row

1188
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: jersey period during that time they were was just white, right.

1189
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, somebody let us know Paul Lucas is

1190
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: that his name from.

1191
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: Or Hey, Chris Kreamer.

1192
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 4: Let us know, Sports Logos, what a great website that's

1193
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: up there with Basketball Reference for like encyclopedias that are

1194
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: on the internet.

1195
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: Specifically for basketball.

1196
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: It's done a lot of work to it too over

1197
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: the years. It's a good update they've done over the

1198
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Final thing here from Media Day

1199
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: and this is a great clip. It's Magic Guard Jel

1200
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and songs with the voice of an angel me me Me,

1201
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: Me Me.

1202
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: So I can't hit the song, so.

1203
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: He should have had it.

1204
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: No, I'm not a singer. You had it.

1205
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: It's a good and encourage you to go to our

1206
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: YouTube page and or all across all our social media

1207
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: channels to see task trying it.

1208
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 3: So it's like a TikTok thing, is it?

1209
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: It is a TikTok thing?

1210
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1211
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: The music challenge, the Perfect Pick, Perfect Pitch Challenge. I

1212
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 2: think it's also out there. Yeah, it's out there. It's fun.

1213
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: Yours is a funny, fun game. Yeah, I went really

1214
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: super hard. I made the mistake of trying hard. I

1215
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: thought trying hard would help, but it.

1216
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 3: Just it just hurt.

1217
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: It just hurts more.

1218
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were going to pass out at

1219
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: one point than your neck veins you can see them

1220
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: in the back are going crazy.

1221
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: You got to the higher that I have so many

1222
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: neck veins I didn't know I had After watching?

1223
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: Was that a one take wonder for you? Did you

1224
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: give it a go?

1225
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: I had to just make sure the the TikTok thing

1226
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: was working, So I gotta admit it was my second Okay, but.

1227
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: I do think.

1228
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: I do think watching jaln slugs that wasn't his first

1229
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: time either. He's just like, I don't.

1230
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: Know, I'll have to give it a go, but go

1231
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: check that out.

1232
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: It's up on our YouTube shorts, up on his scrants

1233
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and all that good stuff. All right, a

1234
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: couple of honorable mentions I will say too, well, no

1235
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: hold on, let me ask you. Were there any other

1236
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: either favorite clips or just takeaways from Media Day? Doesn't

1237
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: need to be the silly factor if you don't want

1238
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: was there anything else that you caught from Media Day

1239
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: there on Monday?

1240
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: Mine were BASKETBALLI mine We're hardcore, not funny. Do you

1241
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: have them fun? I mean the beards were kind of

1242
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: funny for Nicola Jokic seeing him with the beard, Zion

1243
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: Williamson seeing him with a full beard. Yeah, Jokic was

1244
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: looked more like a go tee. Really, it was all chin.

1245
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Jokich has a lot of under chin, a

1246
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: lot of job. He says, he's taking it off. I think. Okay,

1247
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: that's what.

1248
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: He was asked about it. He was complimented. He said, yes,

1249
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 2: I need more compliments. I like that because everybody was like, hey,

1250
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: you're not really all that excited about playing basketball, and

1251
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: he said, I am him. I'm just not showing it.

1252
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: He's just That'skis for you. So yeah, I think they're

1253
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: both going to be gone. Zion's got full beard, but yeah,

1254
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: more basketball for me. I don't know if there's any

1255
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: I got.

1256
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: A couple other ones. Jimmy Butler, plain hair.

1257
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's locked in contract here, contract contract, what it is?

1258
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: Got called out at the end of last season, right

1259
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 4: basically pat Riley saying we need our guys to play.

1260
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 4: So Jimmy's putting on his costume this year. Is guy

1261
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: who is focused on his job.

1262
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1263
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: Draymond Green right back into the swing of things. He

1264
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: got into it with a Warriors reporter. It was a

1265
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: really weird clip. Classic though, Yaka Perl for our Raptors

1266
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: task did you see this? I absolutely did not, basically

1267
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: admitting that the Raptors were not going to win a

1268
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: championship this year, nor go for it.

1269
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, rebuilding called it a rebuild. Yeah, well lie to me,

1270
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: mass I lied to me. I just wanted it was

1271
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: the first time that he's ever said it's a rebuild.

1272
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: He didn't say that last year, he said this year.

1273
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: I don't want him to lie to me. I just

1274
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 2: want him to say nothing. As in regards to that,

1275
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: you know, like they could be just give some hope

1276
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: that they could be a playing team, because.

1277
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: They do have that hope.

1278
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: Was basically like, why would we win every game?

1279
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to try and win every game.

1280
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't know which would you rather have we got.

1281
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: That's the Raptors tach for things same lowering expectations. Meanwhile,

1282
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 4: the Bulls are like, we're trying to host the playoff series.

1283
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Like they're going to be

1284
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: in the same region.

1285
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: Probably Raptors I think should be better, but they're gonna

1286
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: be in the same region. And meanwhile, everybody's like, the

1287
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: Bulls are trying to win, They're trying to be a

1288
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 4: home courtee doesn't add up, we could have showed you

1289
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: a photo of Tyrese Haliburton and his dress shoes.

1290
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: He was very proud of those, Like when I'm talking

1291
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: about he was rocking it with his full NBA uniform

1292
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: and a photo where he's like photo shoot and he's

1293
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: got the loafers on, so he loves that look. John

1294
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: Contar he told a funny story about meeting Grizzlies rookie

1295
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Wells at like the supermarket and he went up

1296
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: and asked him for a photo, and the rookie Jalen

1297
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: had no idea who John Contar was, and like took

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Speaker 1: the photo of and then saw him obviously later on

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Speaker 1: the immediate day, or I think somebody told him after

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Speaker 1: John Contar left, Like the cashier was literally like do

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Speaker 1: you know who that was? Jalen' was like no, like

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Speaker 1: that's your teammate. So John Contar was sort of trolling

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Speaker 1: him a little bit funny, which is great. And final

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Speaker 1: thing I have. Scoot Henderson gave a very bizarre answer

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Speaker 1: to about the lessons he learned in his rookie season

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: and he said, quote, I look back at the good

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Speaker 1: food that I had.

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Speaker 3: This is a crazy clip. Oh, my god, I show learned.

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Speaker 2: That was good.

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Speaker 3: DeAndrea and he came in. He was like jazz, he

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Speaker 3: was pumping.

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Speaker 4: They asked Hm about his high energy level. As Sean

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01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 4: Hiker reported, he said, that's me that's dominating. Gotta drink water,

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Speaker 4: Gotta drink juices, go to bed early. What kind of juices?

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Speaker 3: All kinds of stuff, stuff with ginger in it, cleanses.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he had.

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Speaker 3: He had an interesting look.

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Speaker 4: He looked like a three musketeer, kind of like a

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01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: big mustache, just a little bit of a go tee

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Speaker 4: on the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Big season comes.

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Speaker 1: So like two of their leading players were talking about

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Speaker 1: juices and then just the food there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, so, I guess so, well, well you

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Speaker 3: were your NBA takeaways.

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Speaker 2: Want we can save it for the pre.

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Speaker 3: The previous God give me one. What was your big one?

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Speaker 2: Well, the Clippers James Harden saying this offense is me

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: basically is what he said. So, as Trey said a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, there's a time in the off

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: season where you get excited about James Harden. This is

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01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: that time because he's talking like he's talking like it's

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 2: a revenge here for him. He said, I can have

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01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: an offense run through me. He literally said, did you

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01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: see the guy that went to the NBA finals that

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01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: plays exactly like me? He said, Luca essentially plays like him.

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Speaker 2: And I did think, just thinking a little bit of forward,

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: because I do want to be optimistic about kawhile though

1339
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: it's very difficult to be optimistic about Kawhi and his injuries.

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: James Harden basically said, as far as that guy goes,

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: we don't really need him right now. I mean we

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01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: need He didn't say that, he said we need him

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01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: more later on. Yeah, And so he implied that, So

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01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: that is a good sign for guys who are injured

1345
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: now to sit as much as possible, because Kawhi did

1346
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: play a ton last year and playing sixty eight games,

1347
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: but then just couldn't hold up in the playoffs after

1348
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: that sixty eight game regular season, and Leonard said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to be good for the playoffs, and that's

1350
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: what his focus is right here right now. So similar

1351
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: things from dwell embiid really exactly.

1352
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: And the Sixers camp of just like I don't need

1353
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: to go for MVPs, I don't really care about all

1354
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: NBAS and all that like he may not meet the

1355
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: threshold if they actually try and rest him a lot

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: more and have them ready for the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going for All NBA this year. He's

1358
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: not going for MVP this year because he already did

1359
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: it so he doesn't have to. And Darryl Morrey came

1360
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: out and said, yes, Joe Embiid is under that sort

1361
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: of that tent, and so is other guys. There's other guys.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, who is he talking about. Is it

1363
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: called George? Maybe maybe to keep him as healthy as possible.

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: Like maybe guys like Lowry or something, the old guys.

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he did say less of a role for Lowry.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, oh okay.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be talking about all these teams starting next week,

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: you know why, because it's season preview time.

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Speaker 3: Starting Monday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do the over underwin totals for the Eastern

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: Conference later in the week obviously the Western Conference. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll do a whole show on our awards predictions.

1373
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: We'll do some tears.

1374
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: We always do that at the start of the season,

1375
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: where we put all these squads a bunch of burning questions.

1376
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: So season previews starting on Monday, So join us live

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: at tenem Eastern. But hey, if you're on YouTube right now,

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01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere because the boys are playing video games, playing.

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: NBA Jam for the PlayStation three. I've been told like

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Speaker 3: what year ish would this be?

1381
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 4: Eshay, we're going Derek Ross probably awesome an NBA Jam.

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01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, around about an hour from now, around twelve

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01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: pm Eastern, we're gonna go live on YouTube for playing

1384
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: NBA Jam. I guess we'll get some hopefully get some

1385
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: two on two going, get some real battles going.

1386
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: Big heads. What's the code for big head? Bighead? How

1387
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 3: do I unlock Bill Clinton? Can I still do that?

1388
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: Probably Obama? Maybe?

1389
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: So we'll have some fun doing that. So if you

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01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: want to stick around and get in on the chat,

1391
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: please do so. Hit the like button, subscribe, and obviously

1392
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: podcast listeners, five star ratings and reviews. Otherwise back on

1393
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: Monday to really kick off our season preview in ernest.

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: Until then, Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 7: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 7: love you guys awesome, thanks.

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Speaker 2: For joining us, and remember why not do this? Jayleen

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Speaker 2: Brown during his media day which was a few days ago,

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Speaker 2: but he said, quote, I'm not going to disrespect it

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: to Detroit Pistons, But you know, when we beat them,

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: we're going to play through Peyton, let him go for fifty,

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: let him go for thirty, play through Sam Houser, let

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01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: him shoot ten threes a night. We're still going to

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: win the game. No disrespect to the Pistons, but no disrespect. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we don't need to do the other thing where we

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: play through our star players. We'll play through the other

1407
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: guys because that's going to give them confidence and that's

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01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: going to make us a championship team. It's basically what

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: he sevent. You know I'm paraphrasing, but uh, he ain't run.

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Speaker 1: Confident, very confident, Yeah, repeating at least when you play

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Speaker 1: the Pistons.

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Speaker 3: All right, Embrace today people,