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Speaker 1: Using will be well for it's time to be Oh yeah, Friday,

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Speaker 1: December twentieth. It's the holiday season, twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: you're looking in on two washed old, damaged men. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's Morning Combat, the best damn combat sports show they

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Speaker 1: got ish to do beyond wrapping those presents. I'm Brian,

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Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventeen. Luke Thomas, though, is under the weather

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Speaker 2: Luke, I'm ready to argue over nothing. That's what I

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Speaker 2: feel like today. Shouts to Elon Musk for being boy.

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Speaker 2: If there was ever any illustration that you could be

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Speaker 2: rich and also the dumbest motherfucker alive. He is, I mean,

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Speaker 2: excellent proof of that. Literally tweets out fake news, I

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Speaker 2: the RFK potential stadium site in DC, claiming that in

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Speaker 2: the bill the continuing Resolution that it's going to be

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Speaker 2: three billion dollars awarded, that the federal taxpayers have to

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Speaker 2: pay a total lie, not one penny cost. All it

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Speaker 2: then it now gets scuttle. Yo, fuck you, you robber

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Speaker 2: baron gilded age motherfucker. Learn how to read, bitch.

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Speaker 1: So that's our lead story. Soon Luke will be talking

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Speaker 1: this combat sports cavalcade we have here. Yeah, so look,

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Speaker 1: USIK versus Fury two. Damn right, your boy is fired

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Speaker 1: appearing on the show today, neither will Randy Catour nor

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Speaker 1: by the way, your fan subs or dead wrongs because

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Speaker 1: Mikey only received you know, dick pics, but Morningcombat at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Hopefully we can make those great again

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Speaker 1: in the new year. But as a replacement after our

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Speaker 1: for this, people, most original idea we've had with a

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Speaker 1: live Q and a over the second half of this show,

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Speaker 1: So we encourage you to jump into the chat here

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, swim through the misogyny and racism, and drop

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Speaker 2: But believe this fucking guy. Can't believe him?

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Speaker 1: All right, So, Luke Thomas, outside of everything else in

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Speaker 2: Know, dog my daughter got me sick again because she

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Speaker 1: It's been all right, this is gonna be If you

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Speaker 1: show will probably look a lot like that. But Luke,

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Speaker 1: It's long December, Luke, as as Connie, you know, uh hell,

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Speaker 1: Saturday night. I'm sure Luke Thomas as well as Luke

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Speaker 1: Whatever you shall celebrate, you can certainly help us out

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Speaker 1: Get that bread. I'm like a bird, Luke, I'll only

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Speaker 1: right friggin now, topic number one. You already knew it

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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon Eastern time here, but it will go down

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Speaker 1: in Riad Kingdom Arena, the big rematch, the May eighteenth

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do it a second time, following Alexander Usak

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have embarrassment from the first fight.

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Speaker 2: And this said something kind of interesting that I would

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Speaker 2: he approached the fight. Now, obviously he's been some changes

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Speaker 2: understand that because if I'm looking at Tyson, like, yes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he won round twelve on all three scorecards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean he kind of you know her,

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Speaker 2: I have detected that he did need to shake things up. Now,

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's fair. And look, you know, some

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Speaker 1: And it was so long that I don't know if

432
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Speaker 1: you saw it. In the midst of the staredown, a

433
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 1: bunch of guys came out dressed in typical, you know,

434
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: attire of that area, with hand drums and they were

435
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 1: playing like this rhythm and Michael Buffer was grabbing a

436
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: walking stick and dancing. It was kind of weird because

437
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: these two guys just stayed staring at each other them.

438
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. In the state

439
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: of Nevada during the pre fight staredown off the press conference,

440
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: if you if you stare down for ten minutes or longer,

441
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: you have to have sex afterwards with your opponent. That's

442
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 2: a rule.

443
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: I know that rule very well. I mean, that's why

444
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't look at you while we do the show

445
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: that long, just in case we fall into that jurisdiction.

446
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: But after they did separate them, Fury did have an

447
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: additional tirade. Let's listen in on it and we can

448
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: judge from it what we feel.

449
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 5: Okay, get rubbish getting walks, Yeah, you're getting what you

450
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 5: just find StAst pace.

451
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't know the best a day and you shall

452
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: put your ship. I shall turn you.

453
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 5: Don't be afraid.

454
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: You don't be afraid, you'll be last night.

455
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 5: Don't give me afraid your rabbit on me, poker, your

456
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: baty eye, can't you're popped.

457
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: Don't give you afraid this.

458
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 5: I'm not leave you alone.

459
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: You're fucking idiot.

460
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: Don't leave me.

461
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: Alone for you.

462
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 5: You're fucked, your little pop bastard.

463
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't be afraid. You don't be afraid.

464
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 5: I'm faturing you never mind, don't need your looney.

465
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna wake up in yours bit your pop five.

466
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 6: You're silly.

467
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: Let look bastard.

468
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it last time.

469
00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: You don't give to see.

470
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 5: You got your decision, and he's still I'm the fucking

471
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 5: jump in me.

472
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: You're rock buster.

473
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 5: You are guy rock.

474
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Seven day. You're a good fucking rocks seven days. You're

475
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: fucking fun.

476
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: Retirement, you retire.

477
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 3: You.

478
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: Your fucking rock.

479
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: So Luke, he do you does?

480
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: Does that sound like he believes that you got lucky?

481
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. You can't get a new

482
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: six head. He's unflappable. So I think this is more

483
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: about fury, just trying to get himself to that fever

484
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: pitch point and maybe look, when I first saw this

485
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: behavior from him this week, I echoed a lot of

486
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Speaker 1: what I saw on Twitter was saying, look, Fury was

487
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: the favorite for a reason the first time around. This

488
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: fight was that close. If Fury, you know, fixes what

489
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: what didn't go right the first time, and I see

490
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: him with that mental makeup, he's gonna be just fine.

491
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: So I saw a lot of people picking him, But

492
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: you do see the other half of people saying, look,

493
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: this guy's got mileage on him. We haven't seen him

494
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: great in a while. He's doing everything to try to

495
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: will himself to the moment. Well, how do you read that?

496
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: That's my read, that's absolutely my read, you know, saying

497
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: things like you go, you got a gift decision, and

498
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, it sounded like he was wish casting or

499
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: like telling us about a fight we hadn't seen before.

500
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: And again it was competitive, Like absolutely it was a

501
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: competitive fight. But you know you didn't you didn't do

502
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: anything to me. It's like, dude, he had you on

503
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: fucking skates, Like what are you talking about? Like the

504
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: the only other guy to do that was prime Deontay Wilder,

505
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: who didn't have any of the rest of the skill.

506
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Lukek's power is on par but I'm saying,

507
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, to do to Tyson Fury like that's insane

508
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: when he was to do it's absolutely insane. It's remarkable.

509
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: And again I give Fury credit for kind of rallying

510
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: a little bit late in that fight, but it's just

511
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: not even accurate. It's not even been like, oh yeah,

512
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: you got me good, Wait until you see how I'm

513
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: gonna return the favor or you know, some kind of way.

514
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there's always a diminishment of what an opponent

515
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: did to him. But that's like, that's like fan fiction

516
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: the way he said it. And that's the reason why

517
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, again, people have asked me, what can he

518
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 2: do differently in the next fight. There's actually a lot

519
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: of things he could do differently. I just don't know

520
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: what he actually believes he can do differently as a

521
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: winning strategy to actually beat this master technician. It's again,

522
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: it's a tough thing to do. Now.

523
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: Normally I wouldn't take any of his words with any

524
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: level of grains of salt or whatever term you want

525
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: to use, because he flip flopped so often. But I

526
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: will say he's been consistent this whole build of this

527
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: fight and whole fight week in terms of the themes

528
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: of what he's saying. And one of the big things

529
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: he said consistently is I don't need to change a

530
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: damn thing from the first fight because he still believes

531
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: he won the first fight. He all so doubled down

532
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: and said he still believes that two of the three

533
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: judges only scored it for Usik because of the war

534
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: between Ukraine and Russia, which obviously is ridiculous, but what

535
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: have you. I mean, look, all three judges ultimately came

536
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: together and found out that it was a six to

537
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: sixth fight and the knockdown made the difference. So if

538
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna go on what Fury can do differently, I

539
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are saying. And Mike Coppinger

540
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: of ESPN, when he did a feature on Fury and

541
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: interviewed him when Fury was in multi training, asked him

542
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: that same question about, well, maybe you got to step

543
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: up the pressure this time around, And here's an interesting

544
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: quote in response from Fury. It said, if it was

545
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: easy to walk down Usik, if you're just a big

546
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: man walking him down and bullying him. Then Anthony Joshua

547
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: would have done it, who is six foot six and

548
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pounds, and Daniel Dubois would have

549
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: done it. These are massive, punching, big guys, strong men.

550
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: They didn't walk him down. So I don't think it's

551
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: as easy as just walking into somebody with your hands up. Now,

552
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Luke Fury, in theory, even with the weight in the

553
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: a is more agile than Joshua, and Dubois has a

554
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: better understanding of footwork in boxing. Do you believe him

555
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: when at every turn Fury has been saying I gotta

556
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: knock him out. I got to take this out of

557
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: the judge's hands, and I got to walk through him.

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: It is kind of contradicting him saying I don't need

559
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: to change a thing, But are you expecting Fury? And

560
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe some of what he's telling us is to distract

561
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: us and you know, do typical gypsy king stuff. But

562
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, do you believe in

563
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: his mind the only way to actually win this is

564
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: to try to walk down and walk through Usik?

565
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that the problem. Okay, So, like

566
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: the normal circumstance where Tyson Fury would have the edge,

567
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: and it is where he has had the edge over

568
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: everyone is when he's able to use his length effectively

569
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: to his to his benefit. But the problem is if

570
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: you are using that kind of a length and you're

571
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: on the back foot, that means Usik also has space

572
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: to crowd. He has space to push you backwards. He

573
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: has time to use that lead hand which he circles

574
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: and then changes levels with the faint like in other words,

575
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: in order to establish what Fury does well, you have

576
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: to give oxygen to the conditions under which Usik does well.

577
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: And again this is the problem. It's not like, oh,

578
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: we'll just march him down well to the point you raised.

579
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: That ain't so easy. Like guys who are really good

580
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: have tried that and it doesn't work that great. But

581
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: I will say this, I think a higher level of

582
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: volume BC might actually be beneficial here. It might make

583
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: you get caught more. But you have to occupy what

584
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: he does so he can't get going and establish rhythm,

585
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: maybe not walking him down, but maybe at times crowding

586
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: him like for example, one thing he used to do

587
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: this was like a Mayweather trick to the mp degree Mayweather,

588
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: we'd be very good about eliciting a punch, counterpunching you,

589
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: and then immediately, if not clinching, just pushing that forearm

590
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: right into you and smothering you so that you can't

591
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: get anything going. He did that actually theory, if you

592
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: go back and look in their early rounds, he actually

593
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: did that to Usik very effectively. I think more of

594
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: that actually could be, you know, at least we think

595
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: in theory potentially beneficial. But the point I want to

596
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: make is front foot, backfoot. Some of that does matter,

597
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: and some of the emphasis is a little overstated, but

598
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: taking control of the fight in little granular moments over

599
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: the course of twelve rounds, rather than like, yes, what

600
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: was one of the best punches he threw in the

601
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: first fight BC was that uppercut, and he landed it

602
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: a couple good times on the right. But at the

603
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: same time, you're waiting for Usik to close the distance

604
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: on you, and I'm saying there might be some great

605
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: occasions for that, but I think that general orientation leaves

606
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: too many openings, too much space, too much oxygen. For

607
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: a guy like Usik. You have to constrain that, and

608
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: so that's what I think they're going to try and do.

609
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: But obviously, you know, is that executable over the course

610
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: of twelve rounds against one of the best boxers we've

611
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: ever seen. Good luck?

612
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, Usik is great, even at thirty seven.

613
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: He's freaking great, and he's unbreakable, unflappable, he's courageous, he's

614
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: got a chance. I mean, there's a lot going for him.

615
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Here is off the charts, to off the charts.

616
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: The adjustments to change angles in mid punch. I mean,

617
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: there's so many things he does well. But when Fury

618
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: was at his most successful, I think it was setting

619
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: that firm foundation in the center of the ring, working

620
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: behind the jab. When he would move forward, it was

621
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: to go to the body. We played that sound from

622
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: Frank Warren, his promoter the other day, who believes that

623
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: Usk can be if he has a weakness, it is

624
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: to the body. And look, I don't know if that's true,

625
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: but Daniel Dubas dropped him and thought he finished Usk.

626
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it was a borderline low blow that led to

627
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: that fight. You know, continuing, Archer Betterbriy have dropped Usik

628
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: at the twenty eleven World championships. They fought three times

629
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: in the Amateurs, with Usik winning two, including in the

630
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: twenty twelve Olympics. But it's certainly a strategy for Fury.

631
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: The question becomes, Luke, can't you keep up the stamina

632
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: of it to stay with it? Because Usik is going

633
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: to carry a very electric pace because of how great

634
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: his footwork is. So I don't know if he can

635
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: live up to that pace. But if he doesn't act

636
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: like the bigger man. He's six foot he's six inches

637
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: taller on paper, obviously it doesn't seem to be the

638
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: fact he's got, at least though three to four inches

639
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: on Usik, he has an eight inch readvantage. He needs

640
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: to be the bigger man, lean on him whenever possible,

641
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: be dirty, be aggressive, be all of that, in my opinion,

642
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: to shrink the ring and really make it's not just

643
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: occupying Usik, it's making him carry your weight, making him

644
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: carry that burden.

645
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me respond to that a little bit,

646
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: if I may.

647
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: So.

648
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: I agree, but it's not so simple, for sure, not

649
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: so simple. Yeah, well, I mean, but I mean, okay,

650
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: so he tried that in the first fight and it

651
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: didn't work, and there's very very specific reasons why. Dude. Again,

652
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: that's what I mean about fighting Usic. It's like, you know,

653
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: pick your fucking poison. It's just for anybody who's never

654
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: wrestled before. One of the best things you can get

655
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: or MMA fans will know this is double under hooks, right,

656
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: double under hooks is beneficial because it gives you inside control,

657
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: and inside control is always going to be more valuable

658
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: to manipulating someone's weight than you know. Yes, if you're

659
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: huge and there's a you know, a giant size disparity,

660
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: like if I give my daughter a bear hug and

661
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: I go around her arms, yeah she's not gonna get

662
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: out of it. But in general, for people who are

663
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: roughly equivalent in size, you want to have inside control.

664
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: But of course this is not wrestling, this is boxing.

665
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: But there are other ways to establish inside control. And

666
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: Usik fucking did it in the first fight. You go

667
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: back and you watch it. He has bicep control. Every

668
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: time Fury tries to crowd him like that, he catches

669
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: it and prevents himself from being smothered or hit from anything.

670
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: And then also, if I have inside ties, what can

671
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: I do? I can push off you have no If

672
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to crowd me and I'm trying to come

673
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: around your arms and you have bicep ties, you're the

674
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: one who can leverage your strength to push away. So

675
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: this is why I said, what he did before to

676
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: me is a little bit maybe of a better IDEABC,

677
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: which was, let's imagine, you know, he catches uppercut coming in,

678
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: maybe it lands full at lands half whatever, and then

679
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: you immediately before he can do anything, you just drive

680
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: the frame and the shoulder in because then you are

681
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: the one establishing inside contact. You're smothering potentially an arm

682
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: and a shoulder, and you're the bigger guy and you're

683
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: the one initiating contact. Run him to the ropes, run

684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: him to the corner. Let make if I'm Tyson Fury,

685
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm making that referee earn that paycheck on the right.

686
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean.

687
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: The referee in the first fight was Mark Nelson. I

688
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: thought he did a fantastic job him ruling that knockdown

689
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: provided the result we saw. I think I saw the

690
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: name of the of the referee for the rematch, and

691
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: I forgot it. It wasn't a guy I knew.

692
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: I'll look it up.

693
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: Here extensively in that moment, and I know they also

694
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: just had it recently had it judge change. One judge

695
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: had to pull out and the very consistent judge, Steve

696
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Weisfeld is flying out to replace him. But you have

697
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: to put it on the referee this time. You can't

698
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: make it an open ring fight, in my opinion, where

699
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the footwork in the stamina of Usik has an opportunity

700
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: ultimately went out. I get what you're saying, I get

701
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: what Fury's saying, But Usik fought like the bigger man.

702
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: He took the fight to Fury. He landed the bigger shots.

703
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Fury's not only got to take that back, He's got

704
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: to use every inch of the physical advantages. He has

705
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: to make this a completely different fight, and it might

706
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: not make it entertaining. Do you remember the second Bernard

707
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Hopkins Jermaine Taylor undisputed Middleway Championship fight in which Hopkins,

708
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: after losing a razor thin The first fight was was

709
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: almost a classic. It was great. Taylor won the first

710
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: six rounds more or less, Hopkins rallied to win the

711
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: second six. More or less, it was a flip a

712
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: coin fight. They gave it to Taylor. The second one,

713
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: Bernard Hopkins turned that into an old school mauling, disgusting

714
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: fight that at the end, even though Taylor got the

715
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: knot again, it could have gone either way. I wonder

716
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: if that at this point is Fury's only option, which

717
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: is crazy, Luke, because Fury in theory, right before they fought,

718
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: we thought he is the heavyweight of this era. So

719
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: what is it ultimately, Luke? Is it that Usik's too

720
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: great and can't be messed with, or has age mileage motivation,

721
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: the Weird and Ghanu fight, has all of this kind

722
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: of caught up to Fury at the wrong time in

723
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: your opinion.

724
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: Well, again, we're measuring him against a standard of excellence

725
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: that is going to be hard for any heavyweight of

726
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: any era. Literally, I'm not saying that Usik beats George Foreman.

727
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: That's not my point. I'm not saying he beats Joe Fraser,

728
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: he beats Muhammad Ali. But if those guys do beat Usik,

729
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: it's in a tough fight, right. I do believe that.

730
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the kind of guy you're dealing with here. Also,

731
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: you're asking who the referee is. It's Puerto Rico's Roberto Ramirezkay,

732
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have any thoughts about him

733
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: as a don't.

734
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think extensively, Like I know the name.

735
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: I know I can picture the face, but I don't

736
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: know the name enough to know like, oh, that's this

737
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: type of referee. He's going to call it this way.

738
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm if I'm Tyson Fury, I'm making him.

739
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 2: I'm making him fucking work. But you know, answer the question.

740
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: I do think there's something to be said for the

741
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: fact that you know, Usik has kind of remained consistent.

742
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Jim Zorn, staying positive, acting medium,

743
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: and I mean it really is quite true.

744
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: He has just caught the old Seahawks quarterback Jim Zorn.

745
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: So yes, But Jim Zorn was briefly you'll recall the

746
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: then Washington Redskins. He was briefly a coach and he

747
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: was fucking terrible, but he was a coach and his

748
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: opening press conference for the team, he didn't even know

749
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: the team's colors. It was off to a bad start anyway, So.

750
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Very DC centric program so far. I'm just trying to

751
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: stay up with it.

752
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: Well, he was more than just that. But I it's

753
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: funny because you know, we were horny for Zornie here

754
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: in DC.

755
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: For yes, okay, all right.

756
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: The one I want to make was, you know, it's

757
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: like with Connor, A little bit like Connor on his surge,

758
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: he had distractions and was doing whatever he was doing

759
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 2: in his life, but everything was still basically still built

760
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: around ascension, and then when he got to a certain point,

761
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: he kind of gave that up for a variety of

762
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: different reasons. Tyson Fury hasn't had exactly that, but he

763
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: did give it up for a while. He beats Clitchko

764
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: and then he goes almost insane and suicidal, and he

765
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: gained all this weight and kind of had to come back,

766
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: and it was a long road and it was difficult

767
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: and it was glorious at the same time. But you know,

768
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: you lost time there, you lost opportunity there. And he's

769
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: had other moments in time where you know, maybe he

770
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: would have when he was fighting the Dillion Whites, was

771
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: he training as hard as he could have? Was he

772
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: training as much as he should have to beat guys

773
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: like that? Probably not right, I don't think that he was.

774
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: And so you contrast it with a guy like Usik,

775
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: who I don't think he lives a monastic lifestyle BC,

776
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: but he has been on a path to clean out

777
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: a weight class and then go to another one like

778
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: he's still on to a degree the ascension March. That

779
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: is not exactly where Fury is. Fury's trying to hold

780
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: on to relevancy in a different way after all this

781
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: time has expired. And again I know if Usik's a

782
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: little bit older by calendar years, but he didn't.

783
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: He did.

784
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: He never lost time, He never had super extended layoffs.

785
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: He never I mean, there's been mandatories in whatever. In

786
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: some fights wort easier than others. But he has constantly

787
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: pushed himself, constantly worked on his craft, and now that

788
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: he wants to cash in that equity on a fight

789
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: like this, he's got it. Whereas it feels like Fury

790
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: is trying to cram for a final the night before

791
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: and maybe that will work. Sometimes it does, but it's

792
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: a harder road to get there for suit.

793
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, this week, Usik has shown us his

794
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: typical confident, quiet self joking at times, but the totality

795
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: of his words have surrounded I will not leave you alone,

796
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: do not be afraid greedy belly all right, So that's

797
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: what we got from. We do have this clip of

798
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: him talking to his wife, Luke, do you want to

799
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: tee this up?

800
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Well it's funny because Fury is like, hey, I haven't

801
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: talked to my wife in months, and it looks like bitch,

802
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: I talk to her my wife every day to play

803
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: the club Tyson. Fury says that he has not spoken

804
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: to his wife and his family for three months, not

805
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: one word.

806
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: What about you?

807
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 7: Do you stay in touch with your family during these

808
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 7: hard camps or you the same? Yeah, I'm not watching

809
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 7: my family five months Okay, Yeah, I know.

810
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 6: I speak with my wife every day, every time, every second,

811
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 6: every minute, my children too.

812
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 7: It's helped me because it's my family.

813
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Listen for me.

814
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what do Tyson, for me, matter what

815
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 7: I do. So having your family speaking to them every

816
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 7: day that helps you.

817
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course of course. Because my daughter, my bow daughter,

818
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 6: my little daughter Maria. Yeah, yeah, started to walk say

819
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 6: mama ba ba ba b is like a great grand grandmother. Uh,

820
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 6: this is real motivated me.

821
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You know, So it's it's

822
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: like again, whatever strategy gets you the dub is the

823
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: right one, you know, and then if they if it's

824
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: one for one guy and one for another guy. But

825
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: it just seems to me like Tyson is like, I'm

826
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna trash the playbook, I'm gonna do everything

827
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: that you know, all this crazy ship and it's like, yeah,

828
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call my wife and kids every day after training,

829
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: and I don't know, it seems like he's more at

830
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: ease with the challenge he's in front of. Fury seems

831
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: less certain about that.

832
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I will say that's right. Yeah, I will say. Look,

833
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: I would say I'm more bought in in believing that

834
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: Fury is just trying to stay as focused and serious

835
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: as possible. But I will acknowledge that if you have

836
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: the opinion after watching all that that this is more

837
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: of a self act from Fury and that Usik is

838
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: the man who's firmly in control mentally heading into there.

839
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: The track record says it, the body language says it

840
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: to some degree. It's typically it's certainly an understandable thought, Luke,

841
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: I want to bring up something that is outside of

842
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: the grounds of typical fair play in sport, but I

843
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: do try to be an honest analyst and always have.

844
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: For example, when Canelo thought triple G the first time,

845
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: what did I actually write in print was my prediction

846
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: that we will all watch the fight and believe that

847
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Glovekin had won a close fight, but that ultimately Canelo

848
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: would get a split decision win. Now, the first fight

849
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: was a draw, but you got my point. And by

850
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the way, I did put twenty bucks on the draw

851
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: twenty two to one in the first fight for that

852
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: same reason. There's a narrative going around that we know

853
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Turkey al Ashikh picks favorites in a lot of fights.

854
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: He's the Tyson Fury guy through and through, and he's

855
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: actually been tweeting a lot this week and leading up

856
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: to the fight, constantly referencing the trilogy, constantly tweeting out

857
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: if Fury can come back and win this, I will

858
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: offer record money for the trilogy. Blah blah blah. I

859
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: will make that offer right away after the fight, so

860
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: they sign it right away. It's been a fairly consistent

861
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: dialogue from Turkey who is him and so in biproxy,

862
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia has spent a lot of money to make

863
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: this a very grand fight week for those in Saudi

864
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Arabia that flew out so many legends and actors and musicians.

865
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: They had that grand dinner, the gala for the Ring

866
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: magazine rebranding. Look, there's a lot of good per se

867
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: that Turkey's doing. One thing I don't love about the

868
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: Turkey experience is picking favorites, matchmaking in the future, right,

869
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: announcing future fights before these ones take place. Do you

870
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: have any fear that, at least half of boxing Twitter

871
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: seems to have that if that first Quite fight was

872
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: razor thin and it was that, it's gonna be really

873
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: hard for Ustik to get a decision in the rematch.

874
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: I know that's outside of the grounds of normal fair play.

875
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all? Because, Luke, this is boxing.

876
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: Whether it's Turkey or anyone involved, this is boxing. And

877
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: you know what that means when I say that, Have

878
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: you noticed what I've been noticing?

879
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it is entirely rational to be skeptical

880
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: if it goes to the scorecards. I mean, unless it's

881
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: like a fucking walk through for USK, which I don't

882
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: really expect, but stranger things have happened. I wonder. I

883
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: wonder if they're gonna hor the guy to be perfectly honest,

884
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: and you know, in fairness to Turkey and in fairness

885
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: to Saudi Arabia, I might have that concern almost anywhere, right,

886
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: just the nature of boxing kind of always trying to

887
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: milk anything they can to enrich themselves, whoever it may

888
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: end up being. In this case, it'd be Saudi Arabia,

889
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: but it hardly is exclusive to them. But you know,

890
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: let's just say it. I'll just say it. Also, like,

891
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: do I trust that everything that they do is in

892
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: all ways, every single time, above board and there are

893
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: no questions to be asked about, you know, whether or

894
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: not these processes are conducted fairly. Again, I'm not alleging

895
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: there's any misconduct, but do I naturally trust all of

896
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: these folks? Of course, do not naturally trust all of

897
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: these folks. So if I'm usick, you know, you have

898
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: a tough assignment because not only do you have to

899
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: beat Tyson Fury a second time in two fights, but

900
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: you probably have to do it by a comfortable enough

901
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: margin that they can't fuck it up for you. But

902
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: even that is no guarantee whatsoever. Your only real guarantee

903
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: is you got to stretch them, and that's not so

904
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: easy to do.

905
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Current odds from DraftKings have Usick as a minus

906
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: one fifty favorite plus one twenty Fury the close underdog,

907
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: as we mentioned the first time. Fury has been an

908
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: underdog since that twenty twenty Deontay Wilder rematch Long Island, Luke.

909
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: While we're betting here, I don't know how deep you

910
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: actually go in boxing, and if you know the patterns

911
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: and the absurdities that happen at some times from a

912
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: betting standpoint, does any of this information make you want

913
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: to lean a certain way, even separate from who you

914
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: think will actually win the fight.

915
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: No, Like sure, if you want to throw a little

916
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: bit on Tyson Fury, there's probably value there. But I

917
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: think we get exactly what happened in the first fight

918
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: and Usk decision.

919
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: It's plus one seventy on DraftKings. That's what I'm ride with.

920
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: What is?

921
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: What is?

922
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: What is?

923
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how it works. So do they have

924
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: USIK by stoppage KO TKO? How do they do it?

925
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: They break it down as much as you want.

926
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: You can bundle the KO TKO, you can do just

927
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 4: the KO, you can do just the TK.

928
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Read me those odds for Usik.

929
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Usik by just Ko is plus nine hundred.

930
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: Oh Usk, Okay, stop there for a second. There's there's

931
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: a building feeling on Twitter the people that are not

932
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: believing Furies stick in his mental state right now that

933
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: Usik could be in line to stop him late at

934
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: plus nine hundred. Dude, you gotta put a fly.

935
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: Ko's strictly Yeah, that's strictly knockout.

936
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: And then are that they separated from Tko?

937
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can bundle him or separate.

938
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: We're going separate first, So just TKO is plus four

939
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: to twenty five, and then if you bundle him together

940
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: it's plus three hundred.

941
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: It's still really good value on that.

942
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: That's great value.

943
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd still throw five books on plus three hundred

944
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: Ko for Fury, just the same as it as i'd

945
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: throw something on the decision for Fury. But Luke, let's

946
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: get serious.

947
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: Now.

948
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about what Usik can do differently. Do

949
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: you do you think we see the same game plan?

950
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Do you think that he surprises us again and jumps

951
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: out on Fury off the opening bell and comes forward

952
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: the whole fight? What are you expecting about Usik? What

953
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: does this second fight look.

954
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think Usik is the one who probably

955
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: keeps it close to the first one where he's on

956
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: the front foot, he's claiming lead outside foot position in

957
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: open stands, he's forcing Fury into his left side his

958
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: power hand, and he's pressing him against the ropes. I mean,

959
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: just think about like where all the big shots landed

960
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: for Usk when they landed, it was predominantly up again.

961
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean again, where was Tyson Fury when he got

962
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: rocked in the knife? Look at the real estate he

963
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: was occupying. That is where I think it's okay. That

964
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: is where I think the best chances for Usick and

965
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: the likely place he will try and keep the fight.

966
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: I will say this though, and this is what's kind

967
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: of interesting. We keep talking about Fury what can he

968
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: do differently because he lost? But part of the reason

969
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: we don't say that for Usik is because it's not

970
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: that he can fight any style, but he's a chameleon

971
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: to a degree. There's a lot of different weapons he

972
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: has at neutralizing reshaping or if he can't fully neutralize everything,

973
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: just kind of fighting where he has to and then

974
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: winning on those terms like he's real real. That's what

975
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 2: I mean is real clever, real clever. So I still

976
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: think he'll he'll go to what works again, that lead

977
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: hand kind of circling the pendulum, stepping the level, change,

978
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: all that stuff, forcing Fury to his own left, to

979
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: to Usik's own left. I think all that's going to

980
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: be in play, but it's going to be up to

981
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Fury to disrupt that. It really will be, no no

982
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: doubt about it.

983
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: Uh. I picked Usick in all of his big fights.

984
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, I hang out with Rightful a lot. That

985
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: guy was day one Usik. I know the brilliance. I

986
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid when he went to heavyweight of the size differences,

987
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: of the fact that he's not a huge puncher, because

988
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: he's an accurate puncher, and that matters certainly with the

989
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: pace he's able to set and all of that. But

990
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: Luke at the I can't.

991
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 6: You know.

992
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: The thing is, you go back and you watch that

993
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: first fight and you're reminded how close Fury actually was

994
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: in that that it largely was a six to six

995
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: fight on paper. I think Fury can do better as

996
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: we look to this rematch. I can't get away from

997
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: the pick of Fury by close decision, whether it's disputed,

998
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: controversial or straight up dude, give me Fury by majority decision,

999
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: give me a truly historic trilogy to decide the face

1000
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: of this era.

1001
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: I certainly grant Fury can win, and I absolutely feel

1002
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: like if it's if it's razor, I'll say this, if

1003
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: it's razor thin and it goes to the cards, and

1004
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: especially in a case where, like, you know, let's say

1005
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: that ninth round happens, but Usik wins the round but

1006
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: doesn't rock him just like wins it. You know, Oh,

1007
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: he was the better guy that round. You know, there's

1008
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: no ten eight there. Fury wins, but I think Usik's

1009
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: gonna get it done. I give me Usik by decision.

1010
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: I don't think he stops him. I think he's gonna

1011
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: have to get a little lucky, but I think I'll

1012
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: get it done.

1013
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: Fury by majority decision include According to Long Island Luke

1014
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: on DraftKings is plus twenty two hundred, Fury by majority

1015
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: majority obviously means that one judge scores it even and

1016
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: the other two judges would score it for Fury. So

1017
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: very very interesting stuff right here, Luke, as it pertains

1018
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: to the mean, and what could be next? We know,

1019
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: obviously a Fury wins, we already know Turkey's ready to

1020
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: offer that night a ridiculous sum. And if you consider

1021
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: the rumors are that Husik is making one hundred and

1022
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: fourteen million for this rematch, Fury is making around seventy five,

1023
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: tends to be the rumors. I saw John s. Nash

1024
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: did push back on that and say his reporting might

1025
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: not be as high. But dude, if Fury wins this,

1026
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: we not only get a huge trilogy. And look, I

1027
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: just think politically it's a ligning for Fury to win it.

1028
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: I think, like we said, if the rounds are close,

1029
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: if Fury's the bigger puncher, which he is, I mean,

1030
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to come out and be a different

1031
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: fighter to some degree. I certainly want to see what

1032
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: he looks like shirt off, on the scales and in

1033
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: the face off. But not only will we get a trilogy,

1034
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: but talk about the exclusive club he would join. Fury

1035
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: would join Muhammad Ali, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, and Vitali Klitschko.

1036
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: Is the only three time champions in heavyweight boxing history.

1037
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Even with the proliferation of world titles these days, Luke,

1038
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: that's not nothing.

1039
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: No, dude, I mean, you beat Usik, you reclaim three

1040
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: of the belts. I guess the ring title as well.

1041
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, you're this would be massively restorative for him,

1042
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: massively because again you lose twice to Usik. And yeah,

1043
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: you could find Joshua, you know, who knows. There's probably

1044
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: a couple of things if you really wanted to, you

1045
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: could get. But your place in history is firm at

1046
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: that point and then secondary to Usick and to you know,

1047
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: all time great status. I mean, he's still going to

1048
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: be probably considered all time great in certain ways for heavyweight.

1049
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, like, you go down

1050
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 2: a peg or two, you beat Usick and it doesn't

1051
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: even matter if you win the trilogy, you still have

1052
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: just that one over him. That will that would be

1053
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: absolutely crucial for how the boxing history books will remember

1054
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: his career and what it will place him as in

1055
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: terms of all time heavyweight fighters.

1056
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: For striking your question, I mean, look, if Usik wins here,

1057
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: he's already got the gold medal, the undisputed cruiseweight championship,

1058
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: the undisputed heavyweight championship, he will he would stay undefeated

1059
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: and his seven fights at heavyweight. If he wins on Saturday,

1060
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: would include two wins over Anthony Joshua to win the

1061
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: unified title, two wins over Tyson Fury, one of them

1062
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: for the undisputed, and a knockout of Daniel Dubois, who

1063
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: happens to be the current IBF champion coming off the

1064
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: destructive knockout of aj so Luke Usik. I could certainly

1065
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: see if he wins this, that we get a Dubois

1066
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: rematch to once again put all four titles at stake,

1067
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: and I'd be all here for it. But what do

1068
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: you make of thirty seven year old Usik saying, and

1069
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: he said it again just two days ago, that he

1070
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: has another run in him as a cruiserweight if he

1071
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: wants to. And it seems like Jai Opataia there is

1072
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: one of Turkey's beloved fighters and is certainly the class

1073
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: of the cruiserweight division right now. What do you you

1074
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: guess would be Usik's future if he wins on Saturday?

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00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: Retirement? I just I mean, maybe he goes back to cruiserweight.

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00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't buy it with all the

1077
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: money he's made and the age he has and the

1078
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: time it requires. To be away from family and like

1079
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: the nature of where his kids are. I think I

1080
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: think he calls it a day, or you know, maybe

1081
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: he takes one down the road, but for the time being,

1082
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: he would certainly be inactive. I think he's going to

1083
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: hand these titles back to the respective sanctioning bodies and

1084
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: that's going to be that.

1085
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, final question here, Luca. In terms of prediction,

1086
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: it's about the weigh in. I want to tell you

1087
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: the weights from the first fight on May eighteenth, Alexander

1088
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: Hussik wigh in at two hundred and twenty three and

1089
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: a half pounds. Fury came in at two sixty two. Now,

1090
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: if you want to reference that, Fury's career high was

1091
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: one fight earlier when he was two seventy seven and

1092
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: three quarters against Francis and Ganu. One of the lowest

1093
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: of his career, by the way, came in that twenty

1094
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: fifteen breakthrough winover Klitchko when he was two hundred forty seven.

1095
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: So if he had a thirty nine pound weight advantage

1096
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: the first fight coming in at two sixty two, where

1097
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: would you like to see him? Where do you think

1098
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: we will see him in terms of weight for this fight.

1099
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: That one.

1100
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just really depends on the game plan.

1101
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: I don't really have a clear sense. I tend to

1102
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: think maybe a little heavier is better, but that's only

1103
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: if he can manage it for twelve rounds, you know

1104
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, it's only if he can do

1105
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: the work rate, and I don't know if he can.

1106
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: I think that's the part that I just can't figure out.

1107
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: So it will be a function of what they've cooked

1108
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: up in the lab. So I guess we'll have to

1109
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: see how the first few rounds go. Obviously we'll see

1110
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: the way ends today. But then let's marry that with

1111
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: what the game plan is and see if there's symmetry

1112
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: between them. Because I don't I don't again do this

1113
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: is one of those things where it's like, it's not

1114
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: so clear what the right answer is. It's not so

1115
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 2: obvious that there's like a what one kind of approach

1116
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: to weight is so vastly superior to the the other one?

1117
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: Not that I can tell anyway. Maybe you feel differently, don't.

1118
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer would be.

1119
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just the answer of weight. I think

1120
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: it's also the answer of look and fitness level. Now

1121
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: it's deceiving because Tyson has fashioned himself a full time

1122
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: dad bod in the latch few years and it doesn't

1123
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: always affect his stamina. But then again, how many times

1124
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: is he in a potential back and forth barn Burner

1125
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: over twelve rounds for us to have seen that? So

1126
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him ultimately a little bit lighter

1127
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: than the first fight because I think as much as

1128
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: he needs to be the bigger man and land the

1129
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: bigger power punches and make this a fight which is

1130
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: never easy against Usik, I also think he has to

1131
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: make sure he has the stamina to win seven rounds,

1132
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think if we

1133
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: see him come in a little bit lighter, it might

1134
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: be better. But his dad for years has said I

1135
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: want him over three bills. I want to be as

1136
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: sturdy and powerful as possible.

1137
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: Nah, three is too much. Three is too much. You're

1138
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: gonna be too slow, too heavy, you know. You're like,

1139
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: there's gonna be times in that fight where you're gonna

1140
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: need to be fleet foot, you know. And if you're

1141
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 2: three bills due, that's a fucking lot. Caio.

1142
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: Well, John Fairy's crazy. Let's be fair, it's probably why

1143
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: Tyson's taken them out of the quarter here on Saturday.

1144
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: All right, that was our first topic. We went in

1145
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: our deep the fight warrants it. Check out our post

1146
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: fight stuff Saturday on our YouTube channels, and a reminder

1147
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: we will be back live Monday this Monday morning, December

1148
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: twenty third, at eleven am for a normal morning combat episode.

1149
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: We're going to do it from home, but we are

1150
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: going to recap this fight and talk about what happens next,

1151
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: probably for another sixty minutes, so get yourself fired up.

1152
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: Topic number two, however, is a fight that came across

1153
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: the Twitter waves this week, and initially we got groans

1154
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: reactions of that will never happen, This is crap, this

1155
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. But now the story is oh so slowly evolving,

1156
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: and that's the idea that Connor McGregor's return to the

1157
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: fighting circle or cage or ring in some form might

1158
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: not be the octagon. Let's throw to the original tweet

1159
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: from Connor McGregor that got this party going, and it

1160
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: was the rumors of about with Tultorio are false. I

1161
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: am in preliminary agreements with the Ambani family to face

1162
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: Logan Paul and a boxing exhibition in India. I have agreed.

1163
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: I will then seek my return to the octagon. Now,

1164
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, when this happened, we all had the same response,

1165
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: It'll never happen. You gotta get Dane on the UFC

1166
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: on board or this is the end of the conversation.

1167
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Even Jake Paul tweeted out this is why we haven't

1168
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: taken Connor seriously or responded to his team, because we

1169
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: told them, unless you have Dane on the UFC, it

1170
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But then you have people saying, look, Logan's

1171
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: a ww wrestler. He's in the TKO portfolio. So is Connor.

1172
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: And then we find out a little bit more information

1173
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: from Ariel Hawani, by the way, about the depth of

1174
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: this family, Luke, and that this Indian family is not

1175
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: only one of the richest in the world, they own

1176
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: their own TV station and what was it the son

1177
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: of that was watching Tyson versus Paul and basically said,

1178
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: I want that spectacle for my home country. Let's listen

1179
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: in on Ariel and how this story has changed in

1180
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: the fact that it's I.

1181
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: Want to be going. I'm not sure if this clip

1182
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: exactly gets to that. This clip, this clip should be

1183
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: more just sort of legitimizing that the rumors are real.

1184
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, what Ariel is ultimately saying here, if you don't

1185
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: hear it, is that the rumors are real. The talk's real.

1186
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: But UFC ANDWW are not involved yet, and obviously you

1187
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: need them in some degree TKO wise to be involved.

1188
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: Let's hear from Ariel.

1189
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 8: Last couple of days, we've been talking about this logan

1190
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 8: Paul Connor McGregor's story, and my phone continues to blow up,

1191
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 8: fielding a lot of phone calls, talking to a lot

1192
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 8: of sources, talking to a lot of people, And that

1193
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 8: is the initial tweet that kind of I don't know,

1194
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 8: spoked all this off right, that tweet right there. The

1195
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 8: rumors of about with Toporio are false. There were no

1196
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 8: real rumors. Let's be honest. I'm in preliminary agreements with

1197
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 8: the any family to face the logan Paul in a

1198
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 8: boxing exhibition in India. I have agreed I will then

1199
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 8: seek my return to the octagon. So this was on

1200
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 8: December seventeenth, two days ago, and that's what really sparked everything.

1201
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 8: And then I've been talking to a lot of people.

1202
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 8: And so right after that, when we did the show

1203
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 8: on Tuesday, I said, there is validity, right, there is

1204
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 8: a thing here. Save that tweet. If we can save

1205
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 8: that tweet, there there is validity. There is validity to

1206
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 8: this story. This is a real thing, and it's not

1207
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 8: just you know, Connor chatt and shits, as the kids

1208
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 8: like to say. And I've continued to look into it,

1209
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 8: and I've continued to talk to people, and now I

1210
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 8: feel compelled. I feel compelled to say once again that

1211
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 8: us talking about it is not us endorsing this, right,

1212
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 8: We're not saying this is what we want. I think

1213
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 8: everyone will agree that we want Connor McGregor to if

1214
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 8: he fights again, if he decides to fight again. Someone's

1215
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 8: texting me now about this. This is all Wow, it's

1216
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 8: all happening.

1217
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: We're getting updates. Should I book a flight to to India,

1218
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: we'll see on the back end. Okay, So it is.

1219
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 8: We all want Connor to fight in them and may

1220
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 8: few fights again, right, we all agree. Okay, got that

1221
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 8: out of the way. So let's talk about what I

1222
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 8: know as of right now on this Thursday afternoon. This family,

1223
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 8: the Ambanni family, which I went through the stats. Right,

1224
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 8: I went through the stats courtesy GC got them for

1225
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 8: me very quickly, I will be honest, and perhaps it's

1226
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 8: shame on me. Wasn't so familiar Now after doing some digging,

1227
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 8: probably we should have been very familiar because they're one

1228
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 8: of the most powerful and richest families in the world.

1229
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to be clear, you see Mukesh m Bonnie

1230
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: who is the father the is the richest man in Asia,

1231
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: ninth richest man in the world. And his son is

1232
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: this big old fat slab who had a wedding and

1233
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: it was like the most insane wedding you've Burial said.

1234
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: Six hundred million total that they spent on the entire way.

1235
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: And like everybody who was anybody was.

1236
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: The bezos zuck like all those type of.

1237
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: Wars and much of that. Like there was like tons

1238
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: of celebrities who were involved in the whole nine yards. Yeah,

1239
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: these are very well capitalized people.

1240
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: Let me tee you up on this. That was Ariel

1241
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: by the way, on the Boys in the Back program

1242
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: on Uncrowned, Uh Yahoo, that he's got going on there.

1243
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: An Aero would go on to say, like I said

1244
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: that they watched the live Tyson Paul, they basically said,

1245
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: we want this for our own country, but they said

1246
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: we want Jake Paul versus Connor. Jake Paul's team again

1247
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: said we're not taking this seriously unless Dane on the

1248
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: UFC are involved. Ariel's reporting that as of now, UFC

1249
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: and WW are not involved. But here's how I want

1250
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: to tee you up, because, Luke, when I talked about

1251
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: this before hearing those comments from Ariel yesterday on my

1252
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: Wednesday live ramble that we do at the BCX, I

1253
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: basically said, the only way that this is actually a

1254
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: chance in hell of happening is if Netflix is involved.

1255
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: I said, I said, if Netflix is basically calling up

1256
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: TKO and saying, look what we just did with Tyson

1257
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: versus Paul, Let's do it again. Let's bring in who

1258
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,959
Speaker 1: we have to do to get the signatures, and maybe,

1259
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: oh maybe Netflix is currently at the discussion table with

1260
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: UFC about a portion of the TV package moving forward,

1261
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: then I could see enough TKO synergy in there to

1262
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: believe at least it's being talked about. But in your opinion,

1263
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: based on Ariel's reporting, without UFC INWW talking right now

1264
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: with just that family calling Logan and calling Connor, there's

1265
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: no chances happens, right, I.

1266
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: Mean you say that, and then it's like if they

1267
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, they don't do this kind of thing, right,

1268
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: they're the sole combat sports promoter, or they would just

1269
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: never do it. But it's like they've already granted him

1270
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: an exception before, and I actually think that there's a

1271
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: decent chance of it. In the following sense, Ariel was saying,

1272
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: you know, if we want to see him back, if

1273
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: we want to see him in ma, I don't have

1274
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: any desire to see him back at all. Let me

1275
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: just be very clear about that. I'm like, if he

1276
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: never fought again, I'd be completely okay with it.

1277
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: You don't care if he lives or dies as well,

1278
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying.

1279
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: I don't care if he lives or dies, but I

1280
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: don't have like giant need for him to return and

1281
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: grace us with his presidence, Like I don't care about that.

1282
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: But what I was gonna say is, you know, if

1283
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: you think about it, you can do one of those things.

1284
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: You can do it over in India and there is

1285
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: one a great opportunity for laundering his image as well

1286
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: as Logan's, who you know, has had a series of

1287
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: crypto problems that followed him around, so you kind of

1288
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: get a lot of that out of the way. They

1289
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: would pay for it. There would be some gigantic financial

1290
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: windfall for TKO. And it's a TKO guy in Connor

1291
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: on the UFC side versus a TKO guy on the

1292
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: WWE side with Logan Paul. Like it's just in house

1293
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: money essentially, all from a like a rich benefactor. Like

1294
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: there's a if your TKO and Connor and Logan and

1295
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: depending on what your combat sports appetite is, there's like

1296
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: a ton of upside to doing this. And I think,

1297
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 2: you know, they don't do these kinds of things often,

1298
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: but they've made an exception before, and the biggest one

1299
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: was to this guy. I don't know, like I does

1300
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: it actually crossed the finish line. I think I think

1301
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: our natural instinct is probably not. But I wouldn't dismiss

1302
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: this one. I feel like there's a lot of there's

1303
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: a lot of chance like this could do something unusual.

1304
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, when we're talking about Turkey and Saudi, we're

1305
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: talking about different levels of money. I think when we're

1306
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: talking about this man in the family that we're in

1307
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: question here, we are talking about different levels of money.

1308
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Ariel reported that after doing research, he found out that

1309
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: this family picked up, started up their own startup cable

1310
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: network out of nowhere, became challenged the number one network

1311
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: in India, became number one and then merged together. So

1312
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: there's aggressiveness, there's a deep pocket, said Luke. We all

1313
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: said initially, and you can't forget this. We all said

1314
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: initially that Maymac would never happen because we never thought

1315
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: Dana would let him. Then it appears in hindsight we

1316
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: might be able to come to an understanding that TKO

1317
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: less than a year in ownership, you know, not TKO

1318
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: then endeavor right, So endeavor less than a year in

1319
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: ownership of the UFC seemed to play a hand in

1320
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: pushing data in the direction of being a part of

1321
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: that fight, not just because it avoids angering Connor and

1322
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: taking him to court at the time when he's the

1323
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: biggest star in the world back then, also the reports

1324
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: where they got what forty to fifty million dollars to

1325
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: be the co promoter. What if this family which who

1326
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: just spent six hundred million on their son's wedding, what

1327
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: if they're like, hey, ufcre's here's one hundred million to

1328
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,479
Speaker 1: make sure that this fight happens in modern twenty twenty

1329
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: five TKO Global Business, this fight happens, Luke, if they're

1330
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: going to bring like some stupid amount to the table

1331
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: because they got that they got to payoff still.

1332
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: From the it's literally free money, and it sounds like

1333
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: they don't have to. I mean, they probably would have

1334
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: some obligation for using their resources to promote or whatever.

1335
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure they'd be on the hook for

1336
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: some kind of expense, but in general, it's just free money.

1337
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: Free money from a guy who's got more money than

1338
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: they know what to do with. Almost quite literally again,

1339
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: and everybody is, you know, in house. This is not

1340
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: what they got to split it with Floyd, who has

1341
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: some kind of deal, and you know they're Steven Espuinosa

1342
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: on stage and they have to just kind of you know,

1343
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: Grin and Barrett. This is everything in house again, And

1344
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't want people to lose out of this as well,

1345
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: Like people are kind of glossing over this, but it's

1346
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: a real factor if he actually does want to come

1347
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: back to the octagon. Getting this fight first launders his

1348
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: image and it makes you know, making him palatable I

1349
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: mean again, I don't think his image has been all

1350
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: that damaged at all really here in the United States,

1351
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: but certainly in other places it has been. But you know,

1352
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: it just makes everything smoother along the way, and it's

1353
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: free money and it's all in house. I don't know, man,

1354
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: that's a unique incentive that they may not be able

1355
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: to turn down. Dude.

1356
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: And this is the same argument I gave you when

1357
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: we were kind of back and forth over text about

1358
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: coulding Gan who Jones ever happen because TKO might reach

1359
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: for the spectacle. But you know a lot of people

1360
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: push back on me saying that publicly, basically saying I

1361
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: don't think it gone Jones brings that type of money

1362
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: or attention to the table that would make it worth it.

1363
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: Connor versus Logan or versus Jake or any combination of

1364
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: it does, especially right after the debacle of Paul Tyson,

1365
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: which was a debacle from a boxing sporting sense, certainly

1366
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: not from a crossover numbers sense. So, Luke, do you

1367
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: think this would need a Netflix connection or do you

1368
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: think this could be some synergy with the evolving Dana

1369
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: White move into boxing with TKO, where maybe they look

1370
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: at this as like the perfect launch event for everything

1371
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, could you see them basically like

1372
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about looking non paper, looking at the money,

1373
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: looking at the opportunity, and going f it. We'll go

1374
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: all in on it, even though our instincts would be

1375
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: Dana's not going to reward Connor for skipping out on

1376
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: International Fight Week against Chandler last week with this stupid

1377
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: big fight. Will TKO tell them the stuff it we're

1378
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: doing this.

1379
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of footprint Netflix has in India.

1380
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: I would imagine it's substantial. I don't know. I think

1381
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: that would be a big driver of it. Does Netflix

1382
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: really want on it would be another one. I mean again,

1383
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 2: here's the thing though, like even if those like even

1384
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: if the only question would be is if they wanted

1385
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: to air in India, what platform would it be on?

1386
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: That services that market? And I don't know nearly enough

1387
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: about India to really say.

1388
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: I just know I can just tell you quickly that

1389
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: I found out when they had that influencer fight on

1390
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 1: the first fight of the Tyson Paul main card, that

1391
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: it was purposely in a famous Indian influencer against a

1392
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: famous brasilient Because those are the number two and three

1393
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: markets for Netflix beyond the US.

1394
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 2: Okay, but to imagine Netflix says for whatever reason that

1395
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: they don't want it. I don't know that they would,

1396
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: but just imagine that, right, So then now what do

1397
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: you do again? You would have to find a way

1398
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 2: to service that Indian market, and on that level, I

1399
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: just don't know enough. But you know, you're talking about

1400
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 2: a company that is like a combat sports behemoth in TKO, Like,

1401
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: if they can't find a solution, nobody can. And I

1402
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: tend to think again, I don't know exactly how the

1403
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: nuts and bolts will all come together for something like

1404
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: this in the event that TKO actually is interested. But

1405
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: these people have the world at their oyster. They have

1406
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: all the money in the world, they have all the

1407
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: deals in the world, They know everybody that they need

1408
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: to know. They'll find a way. I just don't know

1409
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 2: exactly what it looks like and if they charge for

1410
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: it and how much, And yeah, there's just that part

1411
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't possibly say. But there's will, there's capital, there's

1412
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: broadcast arrangements. They have just about everything that they need,

1413
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: all right.

1414
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: One thing I haven't seen, by the way, is an

1415
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: overwhelming amount of actual interest in the fight. And maybe

1416
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: it's because Tyson Paul took the idea of these crossover

1417
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of not real fights and really just dunked on it.

1418
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: Really just kind of made it hard to reproduce it

1419
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: because we're all like, was that fight fixed or even

1420
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: if it wasn't, Man, what a shit show with a

1421
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: sixty year old guy in there. Do you think if

1422
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: this fight got made that it would draw maybe not

1423
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 1: Tyson level of attention, but that it would get everyone

1424
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: on board, meaning combat sports fans, YouTube fans, young people,

1425
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: old people. I cannot tell you how many times my

1426
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: mom texted me about Paul versus Tyson. Well, this fight,

1427
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: if it happens, be anywhere near that level in your eyes.

1428
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: Nobody here has Mike Tyson global fame in that way,

1429
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: but it would be big. It would be big. Again.

1430
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 2: I don't Tyson Paul or Paul Tyson whatever. My understanding is,

1431
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: it did two x what Netflix was expecting, and that's

1432
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: part of the reason why their resources were overrun. They

1433
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: just did not anticipate they were going to get hit

1434
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: like that. So even if you wanted to say it

1435
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: would be half of Paul Tyson, that was also in

1436
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: the history of Netflix, the single most successful event in

1437
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: driving one day subscriptions. They drove one point four million

1438
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: subs just from that one event. B See, that's more

1439
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: than de Zone has in the United States, you know,

1440
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: and they've been here for quite some time. I mean

1441
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: you just sort of like noodle that for a second.

1442
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: How insane that is. So even if you were at

1443
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 2: fifty percent of that, you would have been at what

1444
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: Netflix was anticipating, which was probably in their minds an

1445
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: aggressive view of like what that fight could draw. I

1446
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: think I don't really have It's weird, right, Like we

1447
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: covered Mayweather versus Paul, but that seemed I don't know, Joki, Joe,

1448
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like let me ask you be See,

1449
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: we were there, we had the Versace robes and all

1450
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: that shit, but we were kind of, you know, we

1451
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: weren't taking all that serious. Like, how does in your

1452
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: mind Paul and McGregor differ from Paul and Mayweather in

1453
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: terms of how the public might perceive it in what

1454
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: kind of business it could do.

1455
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the public looks at it and says

1456
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: like it's weird and all this, but it's still kind

1457
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: of an interesting fight due to the size difference. And

1458
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I thought that, you know, the

1459
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: combination of Showtime and Fan Meo and Floyd Mayweather and

1460
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Logan Paul promoted the shit out of that fight on

1461
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: Showtime pay per view. And I don't say that as

1462
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: a Showtime guy. I say it like they genuinely got

1463
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: me intrigued for something that was super weird. Now I

1464
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: think ultimately the fight played out even super weirder, where

1465
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: we couldn't figure out if it was like some soft

1466
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: agreement that they wouldn't beat each other up, or maybe

1467
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: just the fact that both were kind of ineffective against

1468
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: each other, Like let's not forget that. Floyd immediately after

1469
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: almost sounded like he was reluctant that he did it

1470
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: and said, I don't need to do these anymore, as

1471
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: if eating some stiff jabs from a bigger man and

1472
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: Logan was like enough of a scare at his age.

1473
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: But I also could talk myself into the idea that

1474
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: that it wasn't what I saw it. It was weird

1475
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: and stupid. In the end, do you think the anticipation

1476
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: would be that, given that it's connor, that it'd actually

1477
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: be a fight for However, it looks whatever the difference

1478
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: in size and skill level and experiences, that it would

1479
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: actually be a fight.

1480
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: Logan's a big dude. He doesn't have any of the

1481
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: same skill that Connor does. But I don't know what's

1482
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: left of Connor's skill. I don't know what's left of

1483
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: Connor's motivation. I don't know what's left of Connor's physical ability. Again,

1484
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: we've been watching his cal ripkin like streak of not

1485
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 2: being sober in public the last year, and you know,

1486
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what that does.

1487
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: I go beyond a year at this point, it might

1488
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: be like a three year lost week.

1489
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair point. But I mean you get the

1490
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: idea like it's just been an insane, an insane run

1491
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: and it's just uh oh god, bless you dude, just

1492
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 2: a fun I mean, you know, ending the year like

1493
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: this is perfect, Ending the year like this is just

1494
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: absolutely the appropriate way. But I I tend to think,

1495
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: here's what, here's here's the difference. Here's the difference. When

1496
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: Mayweather fought Paul it was exhibition and all that kind

1497
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: of stuff and silly and all that kind of stuff.

1498
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: But Mayweather's career, you know, the berto fight had happened

1499
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 2: what seven years before, eight years before, whatever it was.

1500
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, he had been essentially retired for quite some time,

1501
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: and this was just you know, a fuck around time.

1502
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: Connor has talked about this fight taking place or this exhibition,

1503
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, and then going back

1504
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 2: to the octagon, like he still wants to actually fight

1505
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: relevant guys, and I'm going to guess, you know, the

1506
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: most relevant guys he can after an event like this,

1507
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 2: if it were to take place, like he's not, in

1508
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: his own mind anyway done, and if the UFC booked him,

1509
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: they're not going to give him like an absolute nobody.

1510
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: They have to give him another name at a bare minimum.

1511
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: And so there's actually different stakes involved here because if

1512
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: Connor looks bad, which you know, you can put whatever

1513
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: likelihood you want on that, but if he does look bad,

1514
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: I think that does affect how UFC match makes him,

1515
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: if they match make him at all, or you know

1516
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 2: what that even does versus if he comes out there

1517
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: it just looks amazing. It really boosts his prospects for

1518
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: a big fight and what that could mean and you know,

1519
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: how he might perform and how people's confidence in him

1520
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: might be Mayweather didn't really have any of that. He

1521
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: didn't have to worry about any of that. None of

1522
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: that was on the line his His career had already

1523
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: come to a the professional career had already come to

1524
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: a close, and he was just fucking around. This is

1525
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: this is The stakes are a little bit different with

1526
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 2: this one, even though it's just an exhibition.

1527
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: We talked to when you and I were debating whether

1528
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: there could ever be a Gono versus Jones, you know,

1529
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: super Bowl of UFC Heavyweight Championship while and Gone was

1530
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: still with PFL. And look, I respect what you're saying,

1531
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: that would set a terrible precedent for the future. What

1532
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: about this setting a terrible precedent? Since I don't think

1533
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: Dana's got anything against Logan Paul, but he's certainly not

1534
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, buddy buddy with Jake Paul, which seems to

1535
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: be a rival of his, not just for calling him out,

1536
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: not just for knocking out a lot of ex UFC fighters,

1537
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: but also for teaming up with the PFL. Is there

1538
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: a part of you that believes Dana would want to

1539
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: stop this fight for the fact that you wouldn't want

1540
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: to establish a precedence that active UFC fighters could join

1541
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: the Paul Sweepstakes.

1542
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: What president, Like, none of them have leverage. Connor doesn't

1543
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: even necessarily have leverage, but it's just too good of

1544
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: an opportunity to pass up. Like the Emboni family is

1545
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: not asking for Grant Dawson to fight, you know what

1546
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they're not asking for Ricky Tercios to fight.

1547
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: They're only asking for Connor, and he's in a very

1548
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: special class of his own. There is no leverage. I

1549
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: don't think they have to worry about that. Again, it's

1550
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: free money. It's the kind of guy who has always

1551
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: kind of broken the rules, so to speak, in terms

1552
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: of like what fighters get away with on their contract

1553
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: and what he's able to like advance past He's he's

1554
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: a special case, and I don't think that really changes anything.

1555
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about the actual fight. To

1556
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: close this topic, Luke, what would it be? I mean,

1557
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: you'd have to do it. How a catchweight logan seems

1558
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: to be around like heavyweight body or cruiserweight body in

1559
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: boxing terms. Connor's you know what, what do you think

1560
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: he'd box at?

1561
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 2: Around? So I looked up the way in results for

1562
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: Mayweather Paul and Logan was not allowed to weigh more

1563
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: than one ninety but you could imagine he could be

1564
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: bigger than that. Sure, sure, So you know, I suspect

1565
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: it would be something along those lines where Connor would

1566
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: probably come in one seventy ish, one eighty ish something like.

1567
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: That, be an exhibition with no judging, which would automatically

1568
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: make it kind of a shit show.

1569
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 2: Right again, But if you're just paying for spectacle, who

1570
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: can show? Is sort of the part I mean, that's

1571
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: that's what you're paying for, you know what I mean?

1572
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 4: All right?

1573
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: All right?

1574
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: Then the other question I have is, now, ok there.

1575
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke says, Paul was one ninety four point

1576
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: four versus Dylan. Danis I forgot his last fight even

1577
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 2: took place.

1578
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, so he's right around that way. It's

1579
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: still be a major size difference. My final question on

1580
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the business side of this, is there any part of

1581
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: you below that believes if this starts to gain steam,

1582
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: meaning the Omani family or however you are, I forgot

1583
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,520
Speaker 1: what the spelling of it already calls up Ari Emmanuel

1584
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: and Dana finds out about it. Does this push Dana

1585
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: to break glass in case of emergency and make Topetartia

1586
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: versus McGregor in the UFC cage.

1587
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: To say, Look, I don't think so. I think they're

1588
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: too far apart in weight, and I know it's like, oh,

1589
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: he can fight one fifty five and he you know,

1590
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: he's eighty two kilos off camp or whatever. But I

1591
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: still I just don't think.

1592
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: I I.

1593
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: Don't know. I mean, maybe you feel like it's different.

1594
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like they're just on different paths.

1595
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering if that might lead him to go, hey,

1596
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: good idea about that crazy super fight. But I got

1597
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: this one right here for you.

1598
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1599
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: Interesting, what do you make quickly? Also, I wanted to

1600
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 1: bring this up about Turkey. He told Marcos Vegas a

1601
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: Fight Up TV, who was there at the Ring Magazine

1602
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: gallo they had yesterday. When asked if he would bring

1603
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: more RI Odd season cards to America, Turkey told Marcos

1604
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: not for ri Odd Season, but he specifically said that

1605
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: Ring Magazine is out of Turkey's own private equity and

1606
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: not from in theory, I guess the money from the

1607
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and that he would be interested

1608
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: in bringing ring events to the States. So is Ring

1609
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: Magazine also going to be like a promotion or a

1610
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: sponsor for fight series in the States. I don't understand it,

1611
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's weird, right.

1612
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 2: It's just going to be a thing that they control

1613
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 2: for their own purpose, for their own glory. Accept it? Yeah?

1614
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: All right?

1615
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to topic number three, Luke. And

1616
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: we thought Alex Poton Pereira was headed to a light

1617
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: heavyweight title defense against the number one rated guy, Magomed Ankliav,

1618
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: the toughest style matchup some believe on paper and all

1619
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: of that until a uh Poton tweet came out that

1620
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: cryptically said the opposite, and it was Alex saying it

1621
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: won't be Ankliath, to which Magomed replied chicken with three

1622
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: chicken emojis. Luke, I table this or I pair this.

1623
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me? With rumors circulating and we all said this, Well,

1624
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: if it's not Nkliav, and if it's not John Jones,

1625
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: then who the hell is it? Now? You see rumors

1626
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: that it could be hamsat Chimay have what Luke? What

1627
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: are we doing here? You got people saying Poton's ducking?

1628
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: Is it more about a UFC business thing? Because we

1629
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: all thought CHAMAIAV was gonna fight DDP Nex, but instead,

1630
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: curiously Strickland got the call. Make this all make sense

1631
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: to me?

1632
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't the trauma I have one again. Sometimes fights

1633
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: get made that you just never see coming and it

1634
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: sounds kind of weird. I I guess I don't understand

1635
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: that one. It's like, let me see if I understand this.

1636
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna give a top middleweight contender who's basically next

1637
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: in line for a title shot. You're gonna just skip

1638
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: that and risk him either getting viciously KOed, which is possible,

1639
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: or you're gonna watch him thrash your two of five

1640
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 2: pound champ and now he just becomes the two of

1641
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: five pound champ, and now he can't be the number

1642
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: one contender. You just lose out on that guy having

1643
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 2: the showdown in the more appropriate weight class just to

1644
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: kill off your top fucking two o five. I mean,

1645
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: it just doesn't even make sense, Like I don't really

1646
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: quite understand it. And you know, to the question of

1647
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: whether it is ducking, that part is a little harder

1648
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 2: to know. I'll just say this, if on Callia is

1649
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 2: ready and Poton's looking for an opponent and UFC has,

1650
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: you know, quite clearly suggested that on Colia's number one guy,

1651
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: and Poton doesn't want to fight him, that's ducking. That's ducking. Now,

1652
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: if there's some other factor that we don't know that

1653
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: is in play here about why things are progressing the

1654
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: way they're progressing, then that would change the debate. But

1655
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: like on calia seems to think that he is the guy,

1656
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: we all think he's the guy. Dana White has declared

1657
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: he's the guy. If he's ready and you don't want

1658
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: to fight him, there's there's one word for that. That's ducking.

1659
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: So let's I'm gonna give. Because Poeton has done such

1660
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: an amazing job in twenty twenty four, I think we

1661
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: owe him, at least for the time being a little

1662
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 2: bit of the benefit of the doubt to hear exactly

1663
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: what the fuck he's talking about and what's gonna happen here.

1664
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 2: But it's to be very clear if if on caliav

1665
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: is ready and he's just saying no to the guy,

1666
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 2: that's I mean, I don't know what else you're supposed

1667
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: to call that except ducking. I don't know what else

1668
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: it would even be.

1669
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that is very interesting. I just I guess

1670
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: the history of Poeton. I can't believe that he would

1671
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: duck here like he wants to do. I think he

1672
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: would fight John Joe Samorrow if they gave him the chance, Like,

1673
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: I just think he's about that life. So this now

1674
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: makes me kind of start to conspiratorialize and say, look,

1675
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: if we are on the understanding that in modern day

1676
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: UFC and this year of twenty twenty four, which you

1677
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: can debate, is either this insanely great year financially for

1678
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: UFC taking on new international territories, expanding, or it's this

1679
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: frustrating year where the fans are getting underserved, overcharged and

1680
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, water down matchmaking that we're noticing that the

1681
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: people that spend more get better fights. Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia,

1682
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: some of these uf cities that sign up for the

1683
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: big TKO deal where they get a WW pay per

1684
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: view the same weekend as you know, UFC, what have you?

1685
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Is there any part of you that believes that maybe

1686
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Saudi or UAE was like, no, we need a really

1687
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: big one for our next one. We want Yamaya, we

1688
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: want Poeton, make it happen. That wouldn't happen, right, there's

1689
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: no they're not getting strong armed by the site fee.

1690
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 2: Right, that's an interesting theory. I tend to think. Okay,

1691
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: So to your point, I tend to think that's less

1692
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: likely than the other possibilities that would explain the situation.

1693
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: But I will tell you BC, I think you know, listen,

1694
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: what's the number one rule in combat sports about why

1695
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: things happen. Follow the fucking money, Yes, follow the fucking money.

1696
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: And if if the Saudis or the you know, the

1697
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: Emirates or whoever is coming to UFC and saying listen,

1698
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 2: we'll pay top dollar to make a fight that features

1699
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, obviously a standout Muslim attraction and humsat chamayah

1700
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: against whoever, and that's the best fight that they can

1701
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: come up with, or that's just that's just who the

1702
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: benefactors wanted. I mean, I know people kind of hate

1703
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 2: when I just go on about this and they feel

1704
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 2: like it's a beating a dead horse. But like we

1705
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,919
Speaker 2: are in the wealth extraction phase of the UFC monopoly

1706
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 2: and they're one of their top customers. Are other governments

1707
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: or state governments depending if we're talking about stateside, and

1708
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: I again, I think you know, we're just speculating here.

1709
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 2: I want the audience to very much understand that we

1710
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: are we are truly just speculating. But I don't think

1711
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: what I'll say this. I don't think what you're suggesting

1712
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: is implausible. I don't I don't think it's implausible.

1713
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we all love the fight, but it's

1714
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: really screwed up to do this on Calive. If that happens,

1715
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: don't forget your that would be insane to do. Don't

1716
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: forget Yourmayav was just a welterweight title contender, and I

1717
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: know he's talked about being willing to move up.

1718
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 2: But it's likely also that thory doesn't really work because

1719
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: on caliav is also Muslim, right, so you would be

1720
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: just substuting one Muslim guy who's a bigger trial. I mean,

1721
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: Hamsat's the bigger star obviously, but on Calia, like, if

1722
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: you beat Poetson, he becomes that guy, you know what

1723
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean?

1724
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 1: Or I just when WW first started to go to Saudi,

1725
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: the decision makers for the Kingdom of Saudi that were

1726
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: handling the entertainment budget would specifically request people. They had

1727
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: to bring Goldberg out of retirement, they had to bring

1728
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: the undertaker and Lesner over. They wanted Yoko Zuna who

1729
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: had died, so Vince just found another sumo looking fellow

1730
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: to bring in, like they were able to pick off

1731
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: the menu. I just I wonder if that's where we're headed,

1732
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: because Luke Turkey's not like just sitting up there in

1733
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: the booth, putting his money in the little bank thing

1734
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: and having it zooped down to people. Turkey is the

1735
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: center of what's going on in boxing. He's basically boxing's

1736
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: commissioner right now, calling all of the shots. And I

1737
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: don't know if the rumors that are out there are

1738
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: true about top rank going to his own too, just

1739
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: like I don't know if the rumors are out there

1740
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 1: true that that Turkey is buying, you know, or Saudi

1741
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Arabia is buying a big chunk of his own. But

1742
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm showing you that the control is there. The UFC

1743
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: and Dana can keep a firm level of control on

1744
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: their side. But if Dana and Turkey are gonna partner

1745
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: together in boxing, maybe this is people ordering off the menu,

1746
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: just a conspiratorial idea, interesting scenario. I still hope we

1747
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: get ankle Ive next. That's my yeah.

1748
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 2: I'll just say this, I really really hope he's not ducking.

1749
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 2: I really hope he's not because he's had such an

1750
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 2: unbelievable run. He has done so much for himself and

1751
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: the company, and you know, brought so much joy to

1752
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: MMA fans, you know, listen, coming in on short notice

1753
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: and fighting the guys that he did was amazing. But

1754
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 2: you gotta fight the top guy now, and the top guy.

1755
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: He is a donk, but he's the top guy on

1756
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: caliab deserves a title shot next. That is the only

1757
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: fight that makes sense. Already far he.

1758
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: Already friggin did he already deserved it?

1759
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Okay, you already made a judging. It's time to give

1760
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: on Calive what he's earned.

1761
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: All right, It's time for topic number four and it

1762
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: does bring Turkey Alaschic back into it because ahead of

1763
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: this Saturday's Usik Fury rematch for the heavyweight World Championship,

1764
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Turkey has created something. It won't be an official judge

1765
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday, but Turkey and the Kingdom will be experimenting

1766
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: with a I judging And Luke, this got a lot

1767
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: of purists like myself, and I'm gonna guess you really

1768
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: starting to ask some questions. Do we have an issue

1769
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: with judging in combat sports to a certain degree, Yes,

1770
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: but AI computer fixing it. Let's throw to this video

1771
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: announcement and then I want to get your reaction. It's

1772
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: dream Street lamb.

1773
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 7: He's done it.

1774
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: I believe I would not like.

1775
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 5: That's gonna last, and that's gonna use the gop bally

1776
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna be sleptful.

1777
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 2: But little Funny.

1778
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Tecome slip hand you this the same exactly.

1779
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 7: Don't any.

1780
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 2: That it's the clamor division of boxing.

1781
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 5: Fame on time.

1782
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 9: I'm doing good, Fine, I don't want anything to do

1783
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 9: with this ad This.

1784
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Is this is a total fraud for people who don't

1785
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 2: know shit about anything. That's who this is.

1786
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Like.

1787
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: I just love that they didn't demo the technology at all.

1788
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 2: They didn't explain at all how any of it is

1789
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: supposed to work. Now. I know it's some of it

1790
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: is based off of existing proprietary technology, but that existing

1791
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: proprietary technology is largely designed around highlight creation and stats compilation,

1792
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: not necessarily getting into a place where it's able to

1793
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: adjudicate winners, which is a very very complex task. They

1794
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: just rolled out a highlight package. They put literal fucking

1795
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 2: computer code from C plus plus on the goddamn screen,

1796
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: and people are all like, oh, this is fucking this

1797
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: is good, this is amazing, this revolution technology. It's nothing,

1798
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: it's nothing, it's vaporware. It is absolutely bullshit. They haven't

1799
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 2: explained to you how it works, they haven't shown you

1800
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: why it's superior, they haven't demoed the technology to anybody. Nothing.

1801
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: And even then, I have great skepticism that AI can

1802
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 2: even do something like this, uh presently or maybe ever,

1803
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: but certainly presently it cannot do this, Like PFL has

1804
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: tried a similar system, which is just guys putting in

1805
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: inputs into an algorithm and then it comes out the

1806
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,919
Speaker 2: other side. You know, this is nonsense. This is total nonsense.

1807
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 2: There is nothing to this whatsoever. And what by the way,

1808
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: you see, that's not to say that like whatever, like

1809
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 2: shit they've cobbled together here. You know, if we think

1810
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 2: that USIK one, and you think USIK one, and then

1811
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: the AI judge whatever the fuck you want to call that,

1812
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: it says USIK one, but then it goes to fury.

1813
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 2: You can be like, oh, the AI judge knew better,

1814
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 2: but we don't actually know that it knew better. We

1815
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: have no idea the judge.

1816
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: This is exactly know what I mean.

1817
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 2: They they just made a sizzle reel where they can

1818
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: say literally anything, and they have it shown the technology.

1819
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: They haven't explained it, they haven't done anything at all.

1820
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: We're living in a moment where tech is groping for

1821
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: the next thing that they can sell to consumers. So

1822
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 2: you got Gemini in your Gmail, and you've got Apple

1823
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Intelligence on your iPhone, and half the shit is really

1824
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: not that valuable. It doesn't do much for you at all.

1825
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 2: But they got to shove it in there because that's

1826
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: just new, the hot new thing. That's what this is.

1827
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 2: They're just trying to get you to watch this event.

1828
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: And they're just saying, oh, we have an AI judge,

1829
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck that means. We've not demoed it. We're

1830
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: not showing it to you, we're not explaining it to you.

1831
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: We haven't demonstrated a record of why it's better than

1832
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 2: human judging, which, by the way, you see, we can

1833
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 2: all agree human judging is far from perfect. We're not

1834
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, there's no room for improvement. We're

1835
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 2: just saying, you can't make a sizzle reel off of

1836
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: very underdeveloped technology and then call it a revolution. It's

1837
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 2: a revolution for people who don't know shit about shit.

1838
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: That's what it's for.

1839
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: Look could something like this work in baseball, where they're

1840
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: always experimenting stuff. It's different and baseball you can look

1841
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: at it. An instant replay, an instant a computer can

1842
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: instantly tell you if someone got to the base before

1843
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the ball did. Maybe that's possible. Or a set strike

1844
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: zone they can tell you if a pitch landed in there,

1845
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: and not boxing's too subjective for that. And if we're

1846
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: already talking on this program about how like parts of

1847
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: the Saudi boxing experience, parts of it are uncomfortable beyond

1848
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the sports watching and all that. Sometimes Turkey seems too

1849
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: close to it, too close to one side of it.

1850
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Now you have the potential for the feeling of impropriety

1851
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: of you know, one fighter getting programmed in to win,

1852
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I don't

1853
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: you don't want anything to do with that. In my opinion,

1854
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: if you're a fight promoter or you're paying to put

1855
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,959
Speaker 1: this on, or whatever role Turkey's taking now is boxing's

1856
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: new commissioner. This scares me AI in general scares me.

1857
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, how many more sci fi movies do we

1858
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: have to watch about us trying to regain control of

1859
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: the of our life from computers? Luke, We're gonna head

1860
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: to war against AI one of these days. I hope

1861
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm gone before that.

1862
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 2: I have much less concern about AI doing any of

1863
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 2: those things. I tend to think that technology is totally overstated.

1864
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: It can do some things quite well, I can do

1865
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: some things very well. It can do a lot of

1866
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 2: things very poorly.

1867
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: What is it going to do next? Send text alerts

1868
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: to our family members when we open up browsers and

1869
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: a shadow tab on our phone. I mean, what's happening?

1870
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 2: There's a lot of hype around it without anybody asking

1871
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: any questions like hey, how does this actually work? Can

1872
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 2: we see it? And people might say, oh, well, this

1873
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: fight will show us how it works. But one fight

1874
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: actually doesn't show you how it works, and it doesn't

1875
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: actually tell us again, show me, within the technology and

1876
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: the programming itself, what are you doing with it that

1877
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: leads you to believe you can make something that can

1878
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: ascertain winning? Holy shit, that is a very very complex

1879
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 2: task that is above from what I can tell even

1880
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: anything even remotely ready for Again, the proprietary technology that

1881
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: I want to say this one more time is very

1882
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: good technology for stats collection, that's what it to, or

1883
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: highlight generation. But this idea that you can take it

1884
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 2: and then infer winning performances or what really landed with

1885
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: impact or what really hurt or what was actually the

1886
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 2: most damaging is fucking ludicrous. It's ludicrous. You have to

1887
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: be a dullard to think there's anything here.

1888
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: It's nothing about I always want to have a third

1889
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: voice because Luke and I are entering into our old man,

1890
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: get off our lawn phase. I don't know everything about

1891
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: this changing world. I don't know if you get out

1892
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: from outside your smoking apparatus to understand this too. Are

1893
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: we making sense? Should we be nervous or is this

1894
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: just the future? Buckle up, get involved.

1895
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 4: So I know you want a definitive voice here, but

1896
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 4: I'm kind of on the fence because I do a

1897
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 4: lot of these tech press conferences and shit outside of

1898
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 4: this job, and they're all these tech companies are going

1899
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 4: into AI. Luke's right, like literally every single one of them,

1900
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 4: and it's great for their automated systems and all that shit.

1901
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 4: But I'm like UBC where I'm a little bit like, dude,

1902
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 4: fifty years are are we even going to exist?

1903
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 3: Are robot's gonna take over?

1904
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1905
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: So they were all doing the metaverse before and then

1906
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 2: they were all they are all copycats, and as soon

1907
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: as they find the next thing that they can sell

1908
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 2: to consumers, they're gonna you know, they're not gonna abandon AI.

1909
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: Person I don't think that's quite right, but they're gonna

1910
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 2: just jump on the next one and there will be

1911
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 2: iterative improvements in AI. I do believe that. Again, some

1912
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: of the stuff they do on the visual side, actually

1913
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: it seems to me to have some promise. You saw

1914
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: the Google came out with what was it called, like vo,

1915
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: and then Sora came out earlier as well. These are

1916
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: some platforms that are trying to show you what a

1917
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 2: I can do in terms of motion picture or generation.

1918
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 2: But you know, being able to discern winning performances of

1919
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 2: highly complicated tasks with software that is designed for statistical

1920
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 2: generation and highlight creation is so beyond the pale of

1921
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: anything you should ever take serious. It's a fucking joke

1922
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: and just treat it that way. It's no more no, less, that's.

1923
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: Off of our lawn. We're old, leave us alone, dude.

1924
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 2: But here's the problem with being old. Everyone's like, oh,

1925
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: you guys are just you know, you're you're you're old.

1926
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: And you know who are the two muppets that are

1927
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 2: all in the on the Waldorf and the other guy,

1928
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: yeah and Statler or whatever his name is, right, But

1929
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 2: the reality is the older you get this is true,

1930
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it'll be even truer when I'm twenty

1931
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 2: or of sixty, if I make it that far, and

1932
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: then you know, beyond, I hope you do. You see

1933
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 2: the same scams come up every fucking time, and or

1934
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: at least they rhyme with one another, and then you

1935
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: see people not asking questions about it, which you know,

1936
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: like you saw the last scam people didn't ask questions

1937
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 2: and how it turned out. And then you see someone

1938
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: try another thing where they offer no proof of concept,

1939
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 2: no validity, no history, no nothing, no one asking any

1940
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 2: questions about it. You're like, right, I have seen this

1941
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: fucking movie before. I'm sorry, I just have. So it

1942
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 2: makes me a little bit jaded. But you know there's

1943
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 2: constant dude. Combat sports is fill with people who are

1944
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 2: trying to get one over on the audience all the time,

1945
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: all the time. You must have a skeptical attitude about

1946
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: anything any promoter tries, especially one that are making a

1947
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 2: gigantic claim that they can, dude, think about that you

1948
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: can revolutionize judging. Do you hear how insanely difficult and

1949
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 2: monumental an achievement that has to be in order to

1950
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 2: do it? And you've offered no proof of how it works,

1951
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 2: You've offered no explanation of how it came together, and

1952
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: you're using something that we know is to design for

1953
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 2: statistical and highlight generation. Do you have to be a

1954
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: smart person to realize that maybe it's an empty fucking suit.

1955
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't think you do.

1956
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Now, if we get to the point where we can

1957
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: have AI wives, do you think Jason Aaron would be

1958
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: the first to experiment with that? I'm sorry, Pennington James, Yes.

1959
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 2: Pennington James, Yeah, whatever it is, he'll be late to

1960
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 2: the party and also do it bad. Yeah.

1961
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, hey, speaking of promoters who

1962
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 1: make large claims and we have to figure out if

1963
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: we can trust them. Let's go to our final topic

1964
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: before we get into our live viewer, Q and A

1965
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: and this is about the PFL and specifically Don to

1966
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,520
Speaker 1: the double N Davis firing back show us some moxie

1967
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: on the Twitter in the midst of what has been

1968
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: a rough PR season for PFL post championship card, which

1969
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: has seen all of the PF eletur fighters or the

1970
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 1: big name ones at least ask for their release call

1971
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: out the promotion for not getting enough fights. Let's go

1972
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: to some tweets from Don. First, there was a big

1973
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: tease of a big announcement about the schedule coming out

1974
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: next year, and Don Davis tweeted, PFL fans, mark your

1975
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 1: calendar there it is thirty events, three hundred and twenty fights,

1976
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: the most ever for PFL MMA fighters and fans. You

1977
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: can see the schedule on there. Luke, the only thing

1978
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: I like better than PFL is more PFL. You know

1979
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1980
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, not one explanation of Bellator. I guess maybe they're

1981
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 2: gonna get rid of the brand. I don't really know.

1982
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: No explanation of what they're gonna do with the guys

1983
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: like PATCHI mix. Are they gonna let Pitbull go who

1984
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 2: has been lobbying for his release? Like are you gonna

1985
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 2: change the season format, Like, just more of what you're doing.

1986
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 2: Like I can't believe like what they I mean, I mean,

1987
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what they think, but I hope I'll

1988
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 2: say this. I hope that they don't think. What the

1989
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 2: problem is, we just need more of it? Oh hey,

1990
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 2: you know that product that people find confusing and that

1991
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 2: times good, a lot of times missing, a lot of

1992
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: times boring, a lot of times you don't know what's

1993
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: coming or going. Let's just do that accept more. I think,

1994
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 2: why is that a winning again? This is what I mean. Dude.

1995
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 2: We sound like old krusty Fox. But it's like I've

1996
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: seen this ship before. I've seen people try to beat

1997
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 2: you over the head with scale. Oh, we'll just do

1998
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: more with scale. But scale isn't exactly the problem here is.

1999
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 2: It's the it's much more precise. And again, want to

2000
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 2: be clear, hold on, maybe they have an answer for that.

2001
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 2: Maybe they actually are gonna roll out some changes that

2002
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 2: we can say, Okay, this is a little bit better.

2003
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 2: I'd be ready for that.

2004
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, if they're rolling out the tournament regular

2005
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: season format again in twenty five, they're going to have

2006
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: the same results. If they're rolling out pflatur again, in

2007
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: twenty five, which it seems like they are. They're going

2008
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: to have the same results now. Patricio Pippoll, the face

2009
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: of Bellatore's history right the most successful fighter, has continued

2010
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: to push on Twitter for his release. Finally we got

2011
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 1: some form of a response from Don Davis. Let's see

2012
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: his tweet, which says, PFL has always provided all fighters

2013
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: two fights a year. When we acquired Bellatour, they had

2014
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: zero fight events scheduled for their Bellatore two ten fighters

2015
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. PFL stepped in and did the

2016
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: best we could for them. In twenty twenty five, all

2017
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: fighters again, we'll get two fights a year. But like Luke, okay,

2018
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: so what are you gonna get?

2019
01:39:58,479 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 2: Offered?

2020
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Two more International Championship Series Road to Dubai fights, which

2021
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 1: are inevitably just rematches against other unhappy former belatur fighters.

2022
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: Pitbull had a response to that tweet, which said, as

2023
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: far as the PFL providing everyone two fights, I really

2024
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: hope that's what it's gonna happen, and not because many

2025
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: more will be cut. I want PFL to succeed. It's

2026
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 1: good for the sport and for the fighters. Pit Bull

2027
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 1: closed with that said, I want to leave right away?

2028
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Can we agree to it this week?

2029
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 2: He's right, it is better if they succeed. It is

2030
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 2: better if they're around big fighters need somewhere to go.

2031
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 2: I fully fully agree with that, And so again, are

2032
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 2: they're doing more in that sense? There's something to be

2033
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 2: said for that PC but like, but they're fighting.

2034
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: For worthless titles in worthless rematches, or maybe they're getting

2035
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: added to a pay per view card in a fight

2036
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: that goes nowhere because they don't have one championship. They

2037
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: have like five championships in different silos. That's your issue.

2038
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Don You don't need more fight cards and more fights

2039
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: you need to consolidate? Do just make it matter? What

2040
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: the frick?

2041
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I certainly agree with that. Again, So like

2042
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 2: what I want to see is and I go back

2043
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: to the original Don Davis one that's got like, yeah,

2044
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 2: so you've got PFL Global Season in March, PFL Champions

2045
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: Season Series. I guess that's gonna be Bellatour. What the

2046
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 2: fuck is the PFL Champions Series?

2047
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

2048
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 2: You know what is that? The that the playoffs? Like,

2049
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 2: what dude.

2050
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Is?

2051
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 4: I think the Global Season is like the regular season

2052
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 4: slash playoffs?

2053
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 2: So what is the PFL Champion Series. Is that does

2054
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 2: that them telegraphing they're getting rid of Bellatour?

2055
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 4: No, Like, wasn't when Francis for Hennon Fijito, wasn't that

2056
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 4: PFL Champion Series.

2057
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 3: I think it's just like super Fights maybe I.

2058
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,759
Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe maybe, and then PFL Europe whatever, PFL

2059
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 2: Mid East whatever, PFO Africa whatever. It's like three of

2060
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 2: those you can't even get in the United States for

2061
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 2: the most part, like it it's hard to watch. And

2062
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 2: then I don't know what I mean, dude, we do

2063
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 2: this for a what the fuck is the PFL Champion Series?

2064
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: And I'm sure some members of our audience are included

2065
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: in no more than us, But this is my point,

2066
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 2: Like it should it shouldn't be that hard to discern

2067
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: what your product is. That like, I don't need more

2068
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,560
Speaker 2: of it. I need it clarified, I need it streamlined,

2069
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 2: and I need it boosted with quality, not just we

2070
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 2: did this five times last year. Now we're gonna do

2071
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 2: it fifteen. Okay, all right, that's something.

2072
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 1: But dude, I will I don't know if I mean

2073
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: Pitbull seems like he's up against it here, but I

2074
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: wish they could just let all those guys go because

2075
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: you're not using them. They're they're not putting the good

2076
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: Bellator fighters in their regular season, they're barely using them

2077
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: on the pay per views. Cyborg couldn't get fights. I mean,

2078
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: like it just makes we've been through this.

2079
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm googling PFL Champion Series and the first thing that

2080
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 2: comes up is Belotor Champion Series.

2081
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: Which has been renamed Road to Dubai Championship Series.

2082
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 2: Yes, as you get another yet another list of things.

2083
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 2: If anyone in the comments knows, and maybe we're missing

2084
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 2: something here, please, but like, it shouldn't be this hard

2085
01:42:58,360 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 2: to discern.

2086
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: What the brain and shouldn't be this hard for the

2087
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: fighters to get answers right. We shouldn't be at the

2088
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: point where you're literally tweeting at your boss to say,

2089
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: let me go. I mean, it's just it's ridiculous to me.

2090
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 2: But well, you know what my favorite fight is? Uh?

2091
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 2: I was trying to do Don Davis, like, what's your

2092
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,640
Speaker 2: favorite fight? Well? Can I be honest with you when

2093
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm not when I'm not trying to get private Equity

2094
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 2: to give us money. I I loathe this fucking more

2095
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: and I watched none of it It's.

2096
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: Like, I really don't watch our fights either, but I

2097
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: can tell you we have the best. You have the best.

2098
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Uh, look on our one

2099
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 1: of our great producers, Matt just threw us sent us

2100
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: to hell in the private chat for being old guys.

2101
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we deserved it, maybe we didn't.

2102
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. Two responses to that. One, Like, you know,

2103
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 2: Matt is sketchy. Let's just be honest about that. That's

2104
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 2: the first thing i'd.

2105
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 1: Say that loves doje coin.

2106
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Matt's sketchball. Second thing I'd say is, and I

2107
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 2: say this to everybody I see a lot of I. Uh,

2108
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 2: there's a buddy of mine who I met at the

2109
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 2: gym who's like in his twenties, and you know, he

2110
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 2: kind of a very lighthearted me. He is always kind

2111
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,719
Speaker 2: of joking me about, like, you know, my injuries, nagging

2112
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 2: and shit. And I'm gonna say to you guys what

2113
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 2: I say to him all the time. It's like, motherfucker,

2114
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 2: your day is coming to Yeah. It's hard to see.

2115
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 2: You see people at forty and up, you think, oh,

2116
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 2: they've always just been that way because that's the relationship

2117
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 2: you have to them. Your day is coming to and

2118
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,919
Speaker 2: you will see that as you get older. The rhyming

2119
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: of scamming that takes place in combat sports is undeniable.

2120
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: One day there will be a knock on your door.

2121
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: It will be old balls and you're gonna have to

2122
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 1: answer it. That's the truth about life reality. All right,

2123
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Let's go to our live fan.

2124
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 3: Q and A.

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Speaker 1: Our producers have been collecting questions all show. You can

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Speaker 1: send yours in right now in the live chat on

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Speaker 1: YouTube here at Morning Combat. Let's do it Long Island.

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Speaker 1: Luke hit us with the horns money first one from

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Speaker 1: Jay and Luke, what's the elon? Must go?

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Speaker 2: He's so fucking awful. He's just the worst. The basic

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01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 2: idea is when I was a kid, on the end

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01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 2: of East Capitol Street was RFK, and that's where at

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01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 2: the time the Super Bowl winning at the time the

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Speaker 2: Washington Redskins played and they moved to Landover, Maryland and

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01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 2: have been there ever since. That area RFK and that

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: it's like a giant parking lot around it. It sits dormant.

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01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing happening there. It has been sitting dormant for

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Speaker 2: almost a decade. And what's interesting about it is the

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Speaker 2: federal government owns it, but they have no plans for it.

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01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: They don't want to build on it, they don't want

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Speaker 2: to use it. They just it just sits there. It

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Speaker 2: literally just sits there. And the commanders have new ownership

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01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: and they want to get a stadium deal and they

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01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: want to get back there for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: There's metro stops there, it's inside the city, and it's

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy four acres. I cannot of state

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01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 2: it's just a giant fucking parking lot. But it can

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Speaker 2: be redeveloped with commercial and residential and the stadium. And again,

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are like, well, do

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01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 2: you want billionaires to get a stadium deal? And the

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01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 2: answer is, well, yeah, you can. You can come down

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01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 2: on that whatever you want. But it would only be

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01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 2: a tax paying issue for the people of DC, me,

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01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: my neighbors. It would involve nobody else. It has no

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Speaker 2: national ramifications. The bill was put in place by our

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01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: loan Congressman Eleanor Holmes Norton, and all it says is

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Speaker 2: it gives jurisdiction to control it from the federal government

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01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 2: to the city for ninety nine years so that they

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Speaker 2: can then possibly redevelop it. It doesn't It doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that they actually will redevelop it, but it at least

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01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 2: sets the framework so that they can. This dumb fuck

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01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 2: who owns Twitter gets out there and tweets fake fucking

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01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: news that there was three billion allotted that the taxpayers

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01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 2: of the United States were going to be on the

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Speaker 2: hook for to pay for it, which is could not

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Speaker 2: be further from the truth. Not one fucking penny of

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01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 2: that would have gone nothing zero. It cost comes at

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Speaker 2: no cost whatsoever to the people of the United States.

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01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: It would only possibly have a cost to people who

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Speaker 2: live in Washington, DC. He tweets fake news about it,

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01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 2: and then they remove it from the continuing resolution, and

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01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 2: I know the response is, well, these things should be

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01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 2: voted on individually. It's like, have you paid attention to

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Speaker 2: how laws are passed the last one hundred fucking years.

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01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 2: They have to group things together, and they often do,

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01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,640
Speaker 2: including around omnibus bills and continuing resolutions, because it is

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01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 2: there's so much that they have to get in. It's

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01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 2: literally not possible to go program by program, law by law,

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Speaker 2: tax cut by tax cut, debating on the Senate floor,

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01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 2: and then sending to the House or vice versa. Like

2181
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 2: nothing would ever get passed if you had to do

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01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 2: it one by one. That's why they group it. They

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01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 2: grouped it. It had no cost to the taxpayers. This

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01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 2: fucking guy lied to the people, lied to everybody, and

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01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 2: they removed it. And now dude, like the city of

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01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 2: DC had to make it deal with the government of Maryland.

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01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: They had to make a deal with a fucking Nebraska

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01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 2: senator who was trying to, you know, bring the old

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01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 2: logo back because they were trying to like, you know,

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01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 2: do some kind of anti woke thing, which whatever. I

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01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 2: don't even give a fuck about any of that. But

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01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 2: they had to jump through a million hoops just to

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Speaker 2: get it on. The Continuing Resolution cost nobody anything, and

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01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 2: he lied to people and got it removed. And now

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna have a new stadium.

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01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 2: The one that we existing in has been dilapidated beyond belief.

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01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 2: They were supposed when Bruce Allen took over in two

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01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, he was suggesting we would have been

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Speaker 2: in a new stadium like five, six, seven years ago,

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01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 2: and we're still in this fucking thing. All nothing, all

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01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 2: for nothing, for nothing, because he's a fucking moron.

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Speaker 1: Well spreads fakeer bon. It's a new dawn in our

2203
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 1: country and you're gonna have to respect the you know,

2204
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: government cabinet members. There was like Linda McMahon, doctor Oz,

2205
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: Kid Rock and Elon Musk, because those are the people

2206
01:48:57,320 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: that run our nation.

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01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, a bunch of unelected motherfuckers. And at least

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01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 2: at least, you know, Linda McMahon would have a formal

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01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 2: role with inside government. You know, she used to work

2210
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 2: in a small business administration, like she's actually got some experience.

2211
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 2: There's a formal role here, this unelected shit bag from

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01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 2: the diamond minds of wherever the fuck, Like, stop fucking

2213
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:22,640
Speaker 2: with people you know nothing about, you have no relationship to.

2214
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: He's an inveterate liar, all right, He's not the last thing,

2215
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 2: last thing, last thing, last thing, last thing. I cannot

2216
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 2: believe that more people don't see through his obvious fucking bullshit.

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Speaker 1: There you go, There we go, There we go, hip

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Speaker 1: hop horns, takedown must Let's go to our next fan

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Speaker 1: question on this great holiday show. Here from that's my

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01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: guy Luke Arturo from Mexico. We met him at the

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Speaker 1: London Live show. He represents a z ray videos. He said,

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Speaker 1: could karate combat become a disruptor in MMA due to

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01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: its striker friendly style and fun jiu jitsu matchups robellists

2224
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 1: bon Yay recently cut heavyweight from the UFC just scored

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01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 1: well the fastest knockout in karate.

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01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,759
Speaker 2: Combat history for seconds four seconds?

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Can they make an

2228
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: impact like BKFC bcfc's been a disruptor in combat sports.

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Speaker 1: Can karate combat get there? Or is it too weird

2230
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: and too.

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01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 2: I think weird is good. I don't know if it

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01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 2: can work. It's hard to say. I don't see what

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01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 2: kind of money they draw. It's you know, but like,

2234
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 2: do they have a little bit of a groundswell for

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01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 2: their product? They do?

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Speaker 1: They do?

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01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: Do they have you know? Do they have an interesting

2238
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 2: kind of differentiator relative to the norm they do?

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Speaker 3: They do?

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Speaker 2: You know? I think the problems they don't have quite

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01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 2: the talent that they need. But I again, just doing

2242
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 2: more regular ass MMA definitely ain't gonna cut it. You

2243
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 2: got to do something a little bit different. And by

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01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: the way, one today is doing more four ounce muay Thai. Like, yeah,

2245
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 2: you can like it, you can hate it. But it's

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01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 2: different and that makes it stand out.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, let's keep the questions coming from our great

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01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: people here in the MK community, from Archer versus light. Hey,

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01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 1: would Luke and BC accept that's an interesting question, Luke,

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01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: Would you and I accept broadcasting gigs from the GFL

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01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: if they came in with the big paychecks and what

2252
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 1: he didn't write the here, would we be disqualified because

2253
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 1: we dunked on them when this announcemer came last week.

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01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 2: I'll take their fucking money, you know what I mean? Like,

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01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,679
Speaker 2: I'm letting you know what's gonna happen with the product.

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01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: It's not gonna last that long, but it's the same

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01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 2: thing as a fighter taking it. Take the money while

2258
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 2: it's there, and then go on about your day. Now,

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01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:30,600
Speaker 2: you know what, I wax poetic about the beauty of

2260
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 2: the GFL model on the broadcast. I don't know if

2261
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to do something like that, but like

2262
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 2: you want me to call fights, you want me to

2263
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 2: like do backstage interviews, I'll take your fucking check.

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01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Yeah, the answer to me is, Luke, Yes,

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01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 1: I want to work in broadcasting a combat.

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Speaker 2: Sports all right.

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Speaker 1: It's hard Luke, It's hard to maintain that interest and

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Speaker 1: want while being a critical voice in this industry, which

2269
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: we do for a living on this show. But you

2270
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 1: know it's a balance. I'm willing to accept it and juggle.

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01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 2: Okay, same, Yeah.

2272
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 1: I like I like working and I like cashing checks. Hey,

2273
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: let's see what else we got from the people here

2274
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:06,960
Speaker 1: from Shavkat rock Pawnov, rock Manov, the cat version.

2275
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 2: Look at that cat? That Ai cat?

2276
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:12,440
Speaker 1: The best cream for coffee? And why is it fermented

2277
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: horse milk? Looke? What do you put in your coffee?

2278
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 2: Are you do?

2279
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 1: You like your coffee like you.

2280
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 2: Like your women. I typically get a black I put

2281
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 2: a little bit of splendor in it. If I do

2282
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 2: put cream, it's just whole milk, right, Okay, Okay, you

2283
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 2: I put in you know the flavor you put in

2284
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 2: like cream, shit, whatever.

2285
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: I became a flavored creamer guy. You know you get

2286
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: the vanilla silk, the almond milk. You pour in a

2287
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 1: little bit. It makes it all happy and lovely. I

2288
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: can drink it black, Luke. I can grow here on

2289
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: my chest if I need to. At any point, I've

2290
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:51,600
Speaker 1: drinkn some of the grossest week old coffee and just

2291
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 1: reheated it. All right, I've been a front liner, Okay.

2292
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 1: I come from a long lot of people who abuse caffeine,

2293
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: but I try to keep it to one cup of day.

2294
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: Give me a little flavored creamer there, All right, fair enough,

2295
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: let's hit it, Hit it Long Island. This is from

2296
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 1: remember Danger Mouse. He used to be a big part

2297
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 1: of our show and then he got.

2298
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: Mad Live Moula, he says.

2299
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,679
Speaker 1: Dakota Ditchiva has confirmed she's with PFL for another year.

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01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 1: What other than a one million dollar tournament can they

2301
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: offer Dakota? And is there anyone outside of the UFC

2302
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: who could be brought in? Look before you answer that,

2303
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 1: I think Dakota revealed on Aeriels Show that the UFC

2304
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: attempted to trade for her with the PFL and it

2305
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: was declined. Did you hear that too?

2306
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 2: Who declined PFL? Yes? That's interesting. Who would they have

2307
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 2: given up?

2308
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that answer. I don't know if Ben

2309
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: Askin's walking through that door another time. But do you

2310
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 1: think I mean, look like they could have her fight

2311
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 1: in a tournament again and you can win million dollars

2312
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: a second time? Kayla? Did it twice? Or do you

2313
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 1: think it's time to put her in their pay per

2314
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: view series. I mean, they give out belts for everything

2315
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: in PFL. Do you think it's time they give out

2316
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 1: more belts than the WBC. Does you see that shark

2317
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: tooth rumble in the Jungle belt that they brought to

2318
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: Rhea yesterday even though the rumble in the jungle was

2319
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,640
Speaker 1: in Africa. I don't know anyway, Luke, I want to

2320
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: ask you this is should they put her on pay

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01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,560
Speaker 1: per view now and make her a featured attraction or

2322
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 1: stick her back in the tournament.

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01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 2: I don't know who they have for her to fight.

2324
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I suspect they're going to do what they

2325
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 2: did with Patchy Mix, which is like, oh, you know

2326
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 2: how you already fought Magamed Maga Matov, Well you're gonna

2327
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 2: fight Magamed Maga Metov. She's probably gonna fight Tyla Santos again.

2328
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, it could be honest with you, like, I

2329
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 2: don't really know. I don't really know how that would work.

2330
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If I was a one to twenty

2331
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 2: five in UFC, depending on how I felt about things

2332
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: and where I was, that's an interesting opportunity to consider,

2333
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 2: you know, Derek, Lewis got a decent deal out of it.

2334
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 2: Now they keep him inactive because he got a decent

2335
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 2: deal out of it in terms of like what he

2336
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 2: gets paid per about But.

2337
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, should they go after some Invicta talent.

2338
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't have not looked at the Invicta is doing

2339
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 2: well and kind of chucking along, which I'm really happy

2340
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 2: to see.

2341
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 1: But Amaya won one of their belts the other the

2342
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 1: last card, Yes she did.

2343
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what their one twenty five roster

2344
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 2: looks like, but yeah, you got to find him wherever

2345
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 2: that you can get him if you're a PFL at

2346
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 2: this point, because Dicheva is like one of the very

2347
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 2: best things you've got going. You got to make that work.

2348
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and shout out to Danger Mouse. I think he's

2349
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 1: a britt Luke. You know, I think he was sore

2350
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: on us during the time of our London live show.

2351
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: But I got nothing but love for that and effort.

2352
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I got nothing but love as well. Glad to

2353
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 2: see he's back.

2354
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I talked to Appy yesterday. He's still alive. Luke,

2355
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 1: I think he's still a little rapie. But I love

2356
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 1: that man too, you know.

2357
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 2: See on the run from Interpol.

2358
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's the Harvey Weinstein of MMA, do

2359
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 1: you think Jed Misheu is the Hunter Biden of combat journalism?

2360
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 9: All right?

2361
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Next question, smoking crack and doing orgies?

2362
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes from suit Rags. Why is Luke

2363
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: always so mad?

2364
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 2: Luke?

2365
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Let's get you on the couch

2366
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 1: right now. Why the hell are you always angry?

2367
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how to answer that. I mean,

2368
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 2: I can tell you about this year, but I've said

2369
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 2: it a million times, uh and this week in particular,

2370
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 2: I haven't fucking slept in days.

2371
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: Man, days, Sleep is a I've knowing you this intimately.

2372
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 1: If you will, Luke, I don't, I don't want to.

2373
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 1: But if you will this intimately, I'd say, lack of

2374
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: consistent sleep is one of your biggest enemies.

2375
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. And it didn't used to be.

2376
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 2: Like when again, when I was in my twenties, I

2377
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 2: could sleep eight nine hours, no problem. I can't remember

2378
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 2: the last time I slept eight hours. I couldn't tell

2379
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 2: you when that was. I just don't remember. I don't know, man,

2380
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 2: I've kind of always had a chip on my shoulder.

2381
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 2: I've kind of always, I've kind.

2382
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: Of always because you moved so many times in high school,

2383
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: not just.

2384
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 2: Dude, high school. I moved all the time in elementary school.

2385
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 2: I moved all the time in middle school, and I

2386
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 2: moved all the time in high school. Like you know,

2387
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 2: William and Mary was the only institution I ever attended

2388
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 2: where I went from the beginning to the end that

2389
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 2: you could with all the we couldn't call them grades,

2390
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 2: but you know whatever, I never did that with any

2391
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 2: other school I was ever in. I moved so often.

2392
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, man, I guess I had

2393
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 2: a rocky childhood. Bro, I don't know. I don't really

2394
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 2: know how to answer that, but I can tell you,

2395
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 2: like I always, I've just kind of I don't know

2396
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 2: me the world is quite right. But you and Tupac,

2397
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, I'll say.

2398
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: I'll say this, both have tattoos on your maddrift.

2399
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 2: I'll say this BC. This is a true true thing.

2400
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, which is, you know, I

2401
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 2: make bad first impressions and then I kind of always

2402
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 2: have to win people back. Yeah, that's true professionally, it's

2403
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 2: true personally, and you know the good side is I

2404
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 2: win a lot of them back, and then those end

2405
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 2: up being some of the best relationships I've ever had,

2406
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 2: personal and professional. But it does something to me. It

2407
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 2: makes me, you know it.

2408
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Are you saying that being nice makes you angry?

2409
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 2: No, it's not to being nice. It's that I always

2410
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: have to validate. There's always so much friction that I

2411
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 2: have to go through to validate who I am. Yeah,

2412
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 2: and that has worn on me over time.

2413
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 1: Well, you've you've never heard from reaching out to therapy

2414
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: when needed. I'm in therapy every two weeks, Luke. I

2415
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 1: don't hide from that. It helps me get by. Have

2416
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: you considered a return That's where I'm going.

2417
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I haven't been since my mom

2418
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 2: the years after my mom died, so it's been well,

2419
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 2: it's not quite true, but mostly it's true that that

2420
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 2: was the last time I did it consistently. And again

2421
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 2: that's not quite true because I did it up until

2422
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 2: twenty nine and ten. But it's been quite some time

2423
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 2: that I did it consistently, and I think it's probably

2424
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 2: in order that I go back.

2425
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I appreciate you being candid on this topic.

2426
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: As always, We've got nothing but love, Luke for you

2427
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: and your well being moving forward. You got another good

2428
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: one here Long Island. Look, let's keep the fun going

2429
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: for a couple more minutes. This from PT promoters in

2430
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 1: general are all scummy. Is Dana White more or less

2431
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 1: in an average scumbag compared to the others or is

2432
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 1: this an extreme version of he you see?

2433
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 2: My view is he has an outsize influence because the

2434
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 2: industry is not regulated and so he can get away

2435
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 2: with more. But it's like if Eddie Hearn had the

2436
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 2: advantages that Dana had, do you think he would do

2437
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 2: anything different? No? You think Bob Aaron would do anything different? No,

2438
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, take your pick. They would all do the

2439
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 2: same ship if they could. That's just the reality. So,

2440
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 2: you know, there might be differences on the margins. Maybe

2441
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 2: you feel a little bit differently BC, But I tend

2442
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 2: to think that these guys are gonna get away with

2443
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 2: whatever they can get away with with the law, and

2444
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 2: they'll you know, they'll play it, they'll play it above board,

2445
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 2: but they're gonna push it to the limit.

2446
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 6: You know.

2447
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 1: Look, they're swinging corporate raiders. I think to be in

2448
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: that position, you gotta be ambitious, aggressive, a little crazy.

2449
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 1: You gotta covet the spotlight, although to be fair, somebody

2450
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 1: like Al Hayman has been able to really make impacts

2451
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 1: in this business without seeking the spotlight. But still, it

2452
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 1: is what it is, you know, what you're getting into.

2453
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 1: This is a wide open game, even though even though

2454
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: Turkey's bringing structure, there's still a wide open game combat sports.

2455
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 1: So it suits cowboys very well. All right, Yeah, like

2456
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Martin Botter of PBC, you know, it's all right.

2457
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 2: What else friendly?

2458
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Matthew Casper Luke. I'm going to

2459
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 1: see six feet Under next month, mainly to see Chris Barnes.

2460
01:59:56,760 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 1: What are your favorite Barnes tunes with Can Ball? Okay,

2461
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,040
Speaker 1: so this is a band six feet Under?

2462
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, six feet Under. So Chris Barnes was the original

2463
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 2: singer of Cannibal Corpse. It's now George corpse Grinder.

2464
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, just given name.

2465
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 2: Ironically anyway, Chris Barnes was the original guy. And you know,

2466
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't really like it. You know, this is controversial.

2467
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:20,720
Speaker 2: A lot of people like Chris Barn's better. I don't.

2468
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:22,720
Speaker 2: I think Corpse Grinder is better.

2469
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 1: But you know, is this similar to a c DC

2470
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: going from bon Scott to Brian Johnson and they're being

2471
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:28,600
Speaker 1: people that are split in.

2472
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,880
Speaker 2: Terms of yeah, that's pretty yes, that's pretty cool. I

2473
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 2: mean it's not quite right, but that's pretty close. But

2474
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't I don't like, you know, they do old

2475
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 2: songs with Corpse Grinder, and I don't miss Chris Barnes

2476
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:44,040
Speaker 2: at all. So I'm kind of the wrong guy to

2477
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:47,240
Speaker 2: ask that. I I don't care that he's gone from

2478
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 2: the band. To be honest with you, all right home

2479
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 2: and now, can I say something like on fitness TikTok

2480
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 2: on fitness ig, Yes, everybody and their brother, and I

2481
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,240
Speaker 2: don't think it's just them, but I'm saying it's a

2482
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 2: microcosm into a bigger thing. Dude. The Whites are listening

2483
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 2: to Creed again.

2484
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 1: They are Creed underscore daily on Instagram. I love it, Luke,

2485
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 1: It's getting me back into it. I was rocking out

2486
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:18,560
Speaker 1: to the song Won by Creed yesterday when I was

2487
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:20,360
Speaker 1: washing the dishes. Dude, I felt like I was ready

2488
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:21,920
Speaker 1: to take over the world, you know what I mean?

2489
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 1: But then a minute later I was in my own prison.

2490
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2491
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 2: Is in sash the bird saying.

2492
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Hand, Okay, what else you got here? I saw someone

2493
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 1: jump up. Uh Hot Coco from shov caught rock palm off.

2494
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:43,160
Speaker 1: Tiny Marshmallow or no Marshmallows. You gotta go, tiny, dude, Tiny.

2495
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 2: You gotta go, Marshmallow. Tiny. You got to, you got to.

2496
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:47,680
Speaker 2: You got to give me those fat ones.

2497
02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 1: Give me the tiny ones.

2498
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 2: Okay, the fat ones are good for smores, right, you'd

2499
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 2: agree with that.

2500
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the same idea when you know when

2501
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:56,680
Speaker 1: they turn the lights up at the bar on Saturday

2502
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 1: at two am. I'm not going for the fat ones,

2503
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:00,120
Speaker 1: but I'll take it if that's all you're off for,

2504
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:06,800
Speaker 1: all right. John Jones too, didn't quite know where you

2505
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: were going with that one.

2506
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, he landed that plane.

2507
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 1: Take that? What else would keep it coming?

2508
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:14,080
Speaker 2: Chin?

2509
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: What do you got here?

2510
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 6: Uh?

2511
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,960
Speaker 1: From shafcut again? How Stone will l I l be

2512
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: Long Island Luke? When Santa comes to town Long Island, Luke,

2513
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,440
Speaker 1: before you open presents with your I I assume your

2514
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: your loved one, your your lady.

2515
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 6: You know.

2516
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Hell, first of all, you know he's getting his girlfriend

2517
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 2: like a Mike Tyson's Yeah, probably we already have it.

2518
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: Okay, honest question. I did give him one of those

2519
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:37,360
Speaker 1: Tyson bombs that the sponsor gave us. Will you and

2520
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:41,040
Speaker 1: your lady it would it be out of bounds? You know,

2521
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 1: you get the hot coco, you sit down for the stockings,

2522
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: the presents, to just grab a quick one, real quick.

2523
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:49,120
Speaker 3: I think that's very accurate to our Christmas morning. I'm

2524
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 3: not gonna lie.

2525
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,560
Speaker 1: He's living, Luke. He's living the life. He's not sneaking

2526
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,560
Speaker 1: edibles in the bathroom. He's living the life.

2527
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 2: Okay, he's he's he's he's not new to this. He's

2528
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 2: true to the you know what I'm saying?

2529
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, he is.

2530
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 1: All right, keep it coming here, keep it coming. This

2531
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:08,200
Speaker 1: is from Jay Tao versus Tank. Who you got without

2532
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,040
Speaker 1: any clauses from Tank? So if there were no clues

2533
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 1: to tail might be too big, it might be it

2534
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 1: would have to be one forty. So if they did

2535
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 1: it at one forty, if Tayo can make that again,

2536
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:18,360
Speaker 1: who do you got, Luke?

2537
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 2: First of all, if Boots doesn't take that fight, I'm

2538
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:24,920
Speaker 2: going to be very disappointed me too.

2539
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:28,960
Speaker 1: Bob Aram told the media yesterday that they're just waiting

2540
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: on a response from Boots, that Turkey's involved, the money's there,

2541
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 1: They're just waiting on boots.

2542
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 2: I think Tank, if he's really at his best, could

2543
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 2: win that one and should win that one. I think

2544
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Tank's ceiling is a little higher. But I don't know

2545
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 2: where Tank's at mentally, bro, I don't really know, you

2546
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I don't know what the fuck

2547
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 2: he wants out of this anymore. And I don't know.

2548
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 2: But do you feel differently like I think if Tank

2549
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,440
Speaker 2: were dialed in, I think Tank wins. I don't know

2550
02:03:58,520 --> 02:03:59,160
Speaker 2: if he's dialed in.

2551
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 1: Thing about Tao is he can go from zero to

2552
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 1: sixty and sudden they look like the best fighter in

2553
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:06,879
Speaker 1: the world at any given time, you know, so it'd

2554
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 1: be a great dude, man, We got to see these

2555
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 1: guys fight each other. Come on, Turkey, make them fight

2556
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 1: each other. All right, here we go. What else you got?

2557
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 1: This one's from Patrick? Hey, guys, question, you think maybe

2558
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 1: the pressure of fighting in Saudi is what's getting to

2559
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 1: Fury or do you think it's just over the hump?

2560
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 1: I feel the last few performances haven't been his best.

2561
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:25,600
Speaker 1: Is it because of Saudi at all? Luke?

2562
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Like the big paycheck?

2563
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:32,560
Speaker 1: Maybe fighting in a foreign land, different time of the day,

2564
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:36,960
Speaker 1: different crowd experience a lot of pressure. I don't know

2565
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to glean.

2566
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,480
Speaker 2: From because he did underperform against Anghanu there too, But

2567
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 2: there could be an other circumstance. I don't know. I

2568
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:47,560
Speaker 2: don't I think that that's something you should take into consideration.

2569
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:49,240
Speaker 2: But I don't know that that stands out to me

2570
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 2: as like the like the easy answer.

2571
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it was just his last two fights and

2572
02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: Ghanu and the first Usik fight were in Saudi for Fury.

2573
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 2: Okay, but he lost both. Oh well, I mean, okay,

2574
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:00,960
Speaker 2: he won the and Gondo one, but you know what

2575
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he lost the public were close. Both were

2576
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,920
Speaker 2: split decisions. Oh my god, I forgot about that Holy

2577
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 2: ship Jesus.

2578
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 1: Remember when Ariel said Francis should be the boxing and

2579
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 1: MMA fighter of the year after that, after that.

2580
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 2: Lost to Fury, did he I don't remember that that

2581
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 2: was a true fact. It happened. That's a little aggressive,

2582
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 2: it was.

2583
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,280
Speaker 1: It was a great performance though, but it was a

2584
02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:23,480
Speaker 1: little It was a great performance, yes, and then AJ

2585
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:25,640
Speaker 1: was like heat check, you know what I'm saying.

2586
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fucking AJ sent him to the land of

2587
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 2: wind and ghosts.

2588
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 1: All right, Aiden says what was your favorite personal MMA

2589
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: moment this year?

2590
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:37,960
Speaker 2: That's so easy, bro, the Max Holloway knockout. I mean,

2591
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 2: that's that's one of my favorite moments ever.

2592
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: But but to be fair, that's my answer. I would

2593
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 1: think it's everyone's answer, but the people that know you

2594
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 1: probably would have guessed it was to Pouria knocking out

2595
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:52,800
Speaker 1: Max or maybe Volk either, or to really prove that

2596
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: it was okay to have a boner that large in public.

2597
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I was happy to see too

2598
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 2: poor you do well. But no, no, like the thing

2599
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:06,080
Speaker 2: that was because the question was put it up again

2600
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:08,600
Speaker 2: if you can? Was it the favorite? It was favorite? Right?

2601
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,400
Speaker 3: I unstarted, But yeah, it was your favorite MMA moment

2602
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:11,760
Speaker 3: of the year.

2603
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, favorite, Like that's the one that brought me the

2604
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 2: most joy for sure, like.

2605
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, not even close. I like the

2606
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 1: Morob moment at the Sphere. I felt like there was

2607
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 1: like a he finally climbed the mountain. There was a

2608
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 1: changing of the guard. That was good, but it doesn't

2609
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 1: compare it to to Poria or even Perira with the

2610
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 1: three knockouts in one hundred and seventy five days. That

2611
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 1: was just like, what is this guy. You know who

2612
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:32,840
Speaker 1: is this man?

2613
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 2: For sure?

2614
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:35,800
Speaker 1: I hope he's not Duck in Anklive all right, give

2615
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 1: me another one here from Dave Sandy. This guy gets

2616
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,320
Speaker 1: around our chats. I love this guy, Luke. They say

2617
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 1: he's in Alpha by the way. But question for you guys,

2618
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,240
Speaker 1: what's your biggest wish for the future for MK and

2619
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:50,200
Speaker 1: twenty five. That's a great question. I think I would say.

2620
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:54,600
Speaker 1: The thing I covet the most right now is that

2621
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:56,960
Speaker 1: we have consistent I love what we do the live

2622
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 1: show on Monday. I think it's professional. I like, you know,

2623
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 1: reuniting with you in the city and Long Island. Luke

2624
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,040
Speaker 1: is there and our and our full team. But I

2625
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:07,040
Speaker 1: want to have access to our own space to do

2626
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 1: the stuff we used to do that really made us

2627
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: stand out, Luke, that really made us different in this space.

2628
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: Edgy a leader in this space. I want to see

2629
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:17,880
Speaker 1: us get back to there more than anything.

2630
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to kind of recapture some of

2631
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:22,440
Speaker 2: the pieces that have been fell apart along the way.

2632
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 2: It's been a tough transition away from Showtime and CBS

2633
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 2: were appreciative of everyone who's stuck with us and the

2634
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,760
Speaker 2: people behind the scenes. Who have helped us to at

2635
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:32,600
Speaker 2: least be in this position that we're in, which we're

2636
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,800
Speaker 2: extremely grateful for. But you know, don't get me wrong.

2637
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm happy to do shows two days a week, but

2638
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 2: I want to do more than that, and I think

2639
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 2: my hope for twenty twenty five is to do more

2640
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:42,360
Speaker 2: than that. That's yeah.

2641
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to get pregame preview, every big tape review

2642
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:47,640
Speaker 1: is sang. I want to get RSD going. I want

2643
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:51,080
Speaker 1: to show up on the streets of these big cities,

2644
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 1: meet the fans. I want to face f every fan

2645
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:55,880
Speaker 1: that we.

2646
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:57,280
Speaker 2: Meet, and I want to do I want to do

2647
02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:59,360
Speaker 2: some fan facing events, like even if it's just a

2648
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:01,600
Speaker 2: simple tweet up when the UFC comes back to New York,

2649
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 2: I want to do that. So stay tuned. I hope

2650
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:06,280
Speaker 2: we can do it, all.

2651
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:08,040
Speaker 1: Right, how many more of these are you willing to do, Luke?

2652
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:09,120
Speaker 1: Because I can go all day.

2653
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 2: But we have I got a piss, dude, It's all right, sick.

2654
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 1: Two more long island, Luke. Here's Edward A. Lopez who

2655
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 1: would fear better in the current landscape of the respective

2656
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 1: weight classes. A prime GSP, a prime Anderson Silva, or

2657
02:08:22,040 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 1: a prime King of he O Jose Aldough GSP.

2658
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:30,400
Speaker 2: GSP I think would run over everybody that.

2659
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 1: That that well rounded, controlled style, great jab wrestling, great shape,

2660
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 1: tough as nails. Yeah that works in any era, it

2661
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:39,000
Speaker 1: really doesn't.

2662
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, he wasn't perfect. He got knocked

2663
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 2: out by Matt Sarah, he got subbed by Matt Hughes

2664
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 2: and his I guess UFC debut, But do he was

2665
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,960
Speaker 2: so fucking special, so thorough.

2666
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:52,839
Speaker 1: Couldn't you say? All three are good answers?

2667
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 2: To be fair?

2668
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:54,040
Speaker 1: All three?

2669
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 2: Silva is a more interesting one because you got Homsat

2670
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:59,040
Speaker 2: sitting there, and I think Homsat would be a real

2671
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:04,040
Speaker 2: big problem for him, But Aldo for sure would also.

2672
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:07,480
Speaker 2: I think Prime Aldo would be would probably win a title.

2673
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 2: How long he could hold it, I don't know. But

2674
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,640
Speaker 2: then also like prime Aldo was a one forty five er,

2675
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:16,320
Speaker 2: so if we're asking on that level, he probably would

2676
02:09:16,360 --> 02:09:18,560
Speaker 2: also be, you know, either contending for a title or

2677
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:20,720
Speaker 2: outright holding it at some point. So yeah, but I

2678
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,400
Speaker 2: do think that GSP. I've seen people be like, you know,

2679
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 2: how good was he? Blah blah blah. I lived through

2680
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 2: Kamar Rusman's reign. I lived through GSP's reign GSP and

2681
02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 2: Matt Hughes before him, Pat Militic before him, Carlos Newton,

2682
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 2: although Tyrone Woodley I saw Robbi Lawler, I saw him.

2683
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:42,839
Speaker 2: All GSP has been to me easily the most impressive

2684
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,720
Speaker 2: one seventy pounds champion I've ever seen. He was way

2685
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 2: way ahead of the game when he was competing actively,

2686
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:50,240
Speaker 2: just a different guy.

2687
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:52,560
Speaker 1: I would have to agree with you on that one.

2688
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:55,040
Speaker 1: One more question from the people, and we appreciate you

2689
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,680
Speaker 1: guys staying with us pumping them in. From one Morales,

2690
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 1: what's a concert or artist you I didn't think you

2691
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:03,720
Speaker 1: would like that you ended up loving And he adds

2692
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:06,440
Speaker 1: that this is question is coming from a Columbian donk.

2693
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 2: Why don't you go first be see?

2694
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 1: Well, there's so many, but probably the greatest pick I

2695
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 1: would say this. I always respected the Black Crows as

2696
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:22,560
Speaker 1: a decent, you know, early nineties roots rock radio band

2697
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:26,040
Speaker 1: that gives you those sixties and seventies feels. But when

2698
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:30,400
Speaker 1: I saw them on their Reunited Rejuvenated five tour, first

2699
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 1: in the rain at Bonnaru and then on the floor

2700
02:10:33,320 --> 02:10:36,800
Speaker 1: at MSG on New Year's Eve. That New Year's Eve

2701
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,640
Speaker 1: show was it turned out to be my favorite concert

2702
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:42,680
Speaker 1: I ever went to for like the next twenty years.

2703
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 1: It recently got passed by my Morning Jacket show I

2704
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,160
Speaker 1: was at where they just basically peeled my face off.

2705
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 1: But Luke I would say that it was a band

2706
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 1: that I was like, yeah, they're kind of cool, and

2707
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:54,920
Speaker 1: then I saw him rejuvenated up close and personal, and

2708
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,880
Speaker 1: I was like, this band is absolutely so much greater

2709
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,760
Speaker 1: than I thought they were in terms of being able

2710
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: to the ability, the cool factor, the explosiveness. They're still

2711
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 1: bringing it today. But I was shocked to be able

2712
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:10,200
Speaker 1: for twenty years to basically be like, yeah, that's the

2713
02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: best concert I ever saw.

2714
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go both directions. One that I thought way

2715
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:18,800
Speaker 2: overperformed what I was expecting and then one that way underperformed.

2716
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,960
Speaker 2: Let's go with the overperforming. It's not like this is

2717
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:24,560
Speaker 2: some band that no one's heard of. It's some one

2718
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 2: of the biggest bands of our lifetime. But I was

2719
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:30,400
Speaker 2: never a big fan. I just you know, went along

2720
02:11:30,440 --> 02:11:32,280
Speaker 2: to the concert because my wife liked them, which was

2721
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 2: Guns and Roses and this was the Reunited one. So

2722
02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:37,360
Speaker 2: this was Slash and Axel and I saw them at

2723
02:11:37,400 --> 02:11:42,760
Speaker 2: the Royal Farms Arena in Baltimore. And you know again,

2724
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 2: I when those bands were hot, I was more Metallica

2725
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 2: guy than I was a GNR guy. But I and

2726
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 2: I said this before. It's not like I changed my

2727
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,480
Speaker 2: opinion of GNR. It's still not my favorite kind of music.

2728
02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 2: But I think I said this on the show at

2729
02:11:55,800 --> 02:12:00,680
Speaker 2: the time BC, and I'll reiterated here. Slash Slash is

2730
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 2: the captain of that ship.

2731
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Slash is one of the one of the

2732
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 1: ten greatest guitarists of all time in my opinion.

2733
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:08,720
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's more than that. Like Axel is

2734
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 2: the front man and he gets all the glory, but

2735
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:15,760
Speaker 2: Slashes Slashes the captain of that ship. And what ends

2736
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 2: up happening at least the curt I don't know how

2737
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 2: it was back in the day, but the way it

2738
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:22,720
Speaker 2: happens now is that Axel takes breaks and changes wardrobe

2739
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 2: and you know, like I think rests his voice. Maybe yeah,

2740
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 2: it gets his dick socks, who knows, But you know

2741
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:31,800
Speaker 2: who doesn't take a break. It's Slash. Yes, he just

2742
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 2: plays consistently, doesn't miss a note, plays with fervor, and

2743
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:39,600
Speaker 2: because I saw him a couple of times, plays with

2744
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 2: fervor and enthusiasm. I was. I was blown away by

2745
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:46,360
Speaker 2: how good he was. I mean, didn't miss a note nothing.

2746
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 2: He vastly overperforms my expectations, and I have a lot

2747
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 2: of respect for Slash. On the other side, when I

2748
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 2: was in high school, I saw Wu Tang Clan with

2749
02:12:56,360 --> 02:12:59,160
Speaker 2: Rage against the Machine. Rage was great. Wu Tang Clan

2750
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:03,600
Speaker 2: was terrible, terrible, absolutely one of the worst things I'd

2751
02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:08,440
Speaker 2: ever fucking seen in my life. And I love them,

2752
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:11,440
Speaker 2: but they're awful in concert. Awful.

2753
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:12,480
Speaker 3: Do you know what?

2754
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:15,640
Speaker 1: I just found out this year that Slash's mother was

2755
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 1: the costume designer for many a rock star from John

2756
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 1: Lennon to Diana Ross, Ringo star Janet Jackson, David Bowie,

2757
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:25,120
Speaker 1: and that when Slash was small, she was dating David

2758
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Speaker 1: Bowie for a brief period, So he grew.

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Speaker 3: Up in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he looks at dude, he's he's a

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Speaker 2: wizard and a like a talented showman and a fucking

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02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, just an experienced musician, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Saul Hudson is his real name.

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Speaker 2: Oh, dude, He's he's special. Like I really came away

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02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 2: from that being like, yo, actual's cool. You know, yeah

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Speaker 2: those cool No, Slash is the captain.

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Speaker 1: Their best live song is Rocket Queen Luke. It will

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Speaker 1: kick you right in the fuel hole.

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Speaker 2: November rain out because we had I've never gotten front

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Speaker 2: row seats, but when they saw him, because I saw them,

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Speaker 2: I got taken to a gn R concert when they

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02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 2: played at FedEx Field wor stadium in the world. But

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Speaker 2: you know, it was a stadium show. Like we're weighing

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Speaker 2: the Yeah, well I too. RFK is like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just it's just sitting there thanks to thank you Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: You I didn't hear about that.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting.

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02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:25,400
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, just sitting there dormant. But the second as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, the second time I saw him, it was

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Speaker 2: an arena show, and I said, you know what, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna like for my wife's birthday, I'm going

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02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,040
Speaker 2: to get a really nice seat. So we got that

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02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:35,640
Speaker 2: front area right by the con the stage, and then

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02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 2: just to watch Slash get handed new guitars every fucking

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02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:43,640
Speaker 2: song and he's just not missing anything, and to see

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02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,840
Speaker 2: what he added to November right, and then like they

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02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 2: had a piano, but the seat for the piano for

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02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:51,600
Speaker 2: Axel was the back of a motorcycle that had flames

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02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:54,200
Speaker 2: coming out of it. Yes, yeah, it was pretty cool show.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean again, it's not my kind of music,

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Speaker 2: but I was like, you know, y'all rock the funk

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Speaker 2: out like there's no denying.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Luke, Thank you for gutting it through on

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Speaker 1: this show, and a reminder everybody that we will be

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Speaker 1: back before Christmas, December twenty third. This Monday Live and

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Speaker 1: Direct eleven am Eastern on the Youtubes will recap Usik

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Speaker 1: Versus Fury Part two, Long Island. Luke, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us on this journey. We hope you have a

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Speaker 1: great weekend. Are you still there with us? Can we

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Speaker 1: still see you?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm still here, joining and gaff tomorrow one thirty pm.

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Speaker 4: Tyson Usik, I guess Usik Fury?

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Speaker 2: Excuse me?

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02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 3: Watching bet along well bets on every fight join us then?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? There it is.

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Speaker 1: You can check out postfight reactions at some point tomorrow

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02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,800
Speaker 1: on Luke's channel my channel as well. You can follow

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Speaker 1: us below well. Reunite Monday. Whether you're celebrating Hanukkah, Christmas, Kwanza.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else is out there on the menu.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy it, take care of yourselves, hug your loved ones,

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Speaker 1: don't wait until Christmas Eve to finish your shopping like

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Speaker 1: I've done at least half of my adult life. And

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, any final message for these people.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys Monday or you know again for

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's coverage, but then certainly on Monday. And yeah, thanks

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Speaker 2: for everyone who watched today. We love you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we're here for you, but you guys are

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02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 1: here for us, and we appreciate that.

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02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:13,040
Speaker 2: We love you.

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Speaker 1: Take care of yourselves, but until then, we're out of here,