1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: I'm strong and Kataki and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: There were cameras all over my husband when he was murdered. 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: There have been cameras all over my friends and family morning. 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: There have been cameras all over me, analyzing my every move, 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: analyzing my every smile. 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: My every tear. 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: We deserve to have cameras in there. 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's a wife of Charlie kirk. Uh That 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: has got to be quite the lifestyle. Your husband's dead 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: and you got two little kids to raise is a 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: lot to deal with without anything else. 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Being at the center of a media slash, social media, 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: internet hoax conspiracy circus, good lord. Nobody should have to 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: endure that. Just crazy. But what she was referring to, obviously, 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: is the question of cameras in the courtroom, which is 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: one of the matters being wrestled with in some of 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: the preliminary hearings for the young man who's accused of 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: murdering Charlie kirk in cold blood in Utah, who I 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: saw smiling in the courtroom yesterday are you smiling about? 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: You scumbag? 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: To discuss that in other matters, how nice it is 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: to welcome back Larry Goodman, retired judge for the Superior 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Court in Alameda County in California, and also Katie's dad. Hello, 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Judge Larry, how are you, sir? 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: I'm doing well? How about you? 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: Pretty good? 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Let's start there though, like some scumbag murderer gets let 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: in there and obviously they're innocent until proven guilty. This 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: guy's guilty and they're smiling. Does that have any effect 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: on the judge or the jury or anything like that. 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: It would certainly have an effect on me emotionally. 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: You smiling about Well, that's one of the reasons you 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 4: don't want cameras in the courtroom. I mean, it's already 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: created an issue, and then you have to now ask 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: all the potential jurors did you see this dependence smirking 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: in the courtroom before the trial started. It's just a 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: bad I kind of get the widow's position, as she 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: wants him to be scrutinized the same way she is, 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: but it never ends well when you have a camera 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: in the. 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: Courtroom, right, and I want to drill down on that 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more, but not in the well kind 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: of in this guy's defense. And you know, may God 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: forgive me for defending this guy at all, having been 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: a court watcher for a while when I had more time, 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Especially the hearings go on for hours and hours and 50 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: hours for days and days and days, and occasionally somebody 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: says something funny and the defendant smiles or laughs, and 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: if the jury the end the jury pool sees that 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: and reacts the way Jack did, it's probably not good 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: for the justice system. 55 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: Well, it's not for the it makes this case is, 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 4: Jonathan Turley said yesterday. This case has so much evidence 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 4: that it shouldn't be difficult to get a conviction unless 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: something goes wrong. And the unless something goes wrong certainly 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: leads into having a camera there and letting him play 60 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: to a camera. And maybe he doesn't. It's not so 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: much about affecting the jury. But maybe he's the kind 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: of person that likes to smirk because he knows it's 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: going to hurt the victim's family, or maybe he just 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 4: wants to have the notoriety, And why give him the 65 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 4: notoriety of having him beyond television every day? It's just 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: and then something goes wrong in the courtroom. Everybody knows it. 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: It becomes an appellate issue, and the case either gets 68 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: thrown out or gets reversed, or you have to start again. 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: It just doesn't make good sense. 70 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I get Joe's point about it's a long day, goes 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: for days, weeks, months, and all that sort of stuff. Man, 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: if I'm falsely accused of murdering a guy, man, I 73 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: don't know if I'd find anything funny ever for a 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: very long time. 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: So you said you've seen, you've seen seen it go 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: ahead accused. 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 4: Well, I assumes you're falsely accused, and I don't think 78 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 4: that's necessarily the situation, right. 79 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Well, and he's a crazy person who just got to 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: do with him murdering somebody. 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's interesting. 82 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us who are old enough 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: or watched various documentaries are aware of all the ways 84 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: that the cameras in the courtroom perverted the O. J. 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Simpson trial, where just everybody was grand standing and playing 86 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: to the cameras and stuff like that. Have you ever 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: presided over a case or been in the situation where 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: there were cameras in the courtroom. 89 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 4: Larry, I never let cameras. I had cameras in the 90 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: courtroom for a sentencing proceeding and and maybe a post 91 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 4: conviction motion, but I never let cameras in to the 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: courtroom pre trial hearings or during the trial itself. For 93 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: that very reason that even the good lawyers that try 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 4: as they might not to play to the cameras, they 95 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: end up playing to the cameras in a opening a 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: statement that might be twenty minutes now becomes forty minutes 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 4: because they try to be too clever. Or it's like 98 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: I said, I've never seen it work to the advantage 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 4: of the justice system. 100 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting statement right there. 101 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: You've never seen it work to the advantage of the 102 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: justice system, which is the whole point of any of this, 103 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: right Certainly, I find it interesting that it's the judge's discretion. 104 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Why is that a better idea than a blanket policy 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: or is. 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: It Well, because the judge is responsible for maintaining order 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: in the court room, it's that's kind of like the 108 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 4: judges little fight them. You're responsible for everything that happens there, 109 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: and you're also responsible to ensure that you process is 110 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: protected from both the defendant and the prosecution. And if 111 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: your determination is that having a camera there will interfere 112 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 4: with that judicial proceeding in the due process, then it's 113 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: your right in your courtroom to say no, you're not 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: going to do it. They have forms they submit it 115 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 4: for every trial. I think I did that. We would 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: get something from one of the local TV stations and 117 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: who they want to put a camera, and we just 118 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: signed deny and we never heard nobody ever really thought 119 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: about it after we denied it. But they always throw 120 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: them out there just to see if they can get in. 121 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: Wait. 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: So Erica Kirk making the argument, I want this guy 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: scrutinized everything he wears, every facial expression, every nod, the 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: way people have been doing to me. 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: And I get that. 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: The problem is everybody else that didn't do anything wrong 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: gets scrutinized the same way. Every single cop, witness, lawyer, 128 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: everybody that's not guilty of anything gets scrutinized exactly the 129 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: same way, which is not very fair. 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would I would caution Eric, be 131 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 4: careful what you wish for. You know, it could it 132 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: could take a case of your husband's murder and turn 133 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: it into a circus and cause more pain than before 134 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: the trial, and it also may screw up the proceeding 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: and the results might not be what everybody thinks they 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: should be. 137 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Well, if you're of a certain age, you're you're touchstone 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: for everything. 139 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: Court room is always the OJ case. 140 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: But think of all the people whose lives were changed 141 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: who didn't do any Kaylin didn't do anything wrong. But 142 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he got he he became a little and 143 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: half wit is not a crime. He exactly he could 144 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: become a laughing stock of the country just because he 145 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: knew a guy who committed a horrible crime. Because there 146 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: cameras in the court and otherwise we wouldn't wouldn't have 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: known what he looked like or ever thought about him. 148 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Well, I mean some people think would would 149 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 4: the outcome of OJ Simpson been the same with their 150 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: head and in cameras. 151 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I'd love to run that through 152 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: a parallel universe. 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: Right. 154 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Larry Goodman, say, retired Superior court judge from California, talking 155 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: about the trial of the monstrous confused young man who 156 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: allegedly murdered Charlie Kirk and cameras in the courtroom and 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, I think somebody needs 158 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: to set Erica down and just explain no, this will 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: make it much, much, much more difficult to convict this 160 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: guy swiftly and justly and put him into the stripey 161 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: hole forever. So huh, So you said you've never seen 162 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: it end, Well, do you have other like concrete examples 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: of something, you know, somebody that was damaged or something 164 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: that went wrong from emmeron a courtroom other than oy just. 165 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: Not personally the experience, just from seeing it in other 166 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: cases where there's always something happens and it's always the 167 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: top headline on the evening news or in the next 168 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: day in the paper, and it's the kind of thing 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: that as a judge when you're trying to protect a 170 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: proceeding and you go like, oh, we didn't need to 171 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: see that on the front page of the newspaper this morning, 172 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: or oh I didn't need to hear that when I 173 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: sat down for dinner and listened to the local news station, 174 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: and it just it just creates issues that you just 175 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: don't need to deal with and don't want to have 176 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: to deal with. 177 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and whether it's you know, a person who's innocent 178 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: of anything, like they're just you know, a person involved 179 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: in the trial, or the defendant who's a scumbag murderer 180 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: like that Luigi, who I think is a scumbag murderer. 181 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: But the lead story, what was it Monday night, was 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: smirking in the courtroom. I mean, that's not part of 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: the system. Yeah, you know, you're supposed to be found 184 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: guilty and it's based on smirks. Right, there's a lead 185 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: story on the evening news because. 186 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: Of cameras exactly. And you know, and there are defendants 187 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: and I did have some of those in my courtroom 188 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 4: who are so vile that they want to inflict as 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: much pain as they can, so they look at those 190 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: victims fans smirk and say things. And if that's on 191 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 4: the camera, and they do it pre trial, then you've 192 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: got to deal with that during jury selection, or if 193 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: they do it during the trial because they know it's 194 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: going to be on the camera, then you have to 195 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: deal with it with a jury. If they were prejudiced 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: because the guy I turned around and you know, blew 197 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: a kiss at the victim's mother. 198 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 199 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 4: It's just all kinds of stupid stuff that they do. 200 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: Sometimes you just don't need publicides. 201 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, what one more thought. I've witnessed low double 202 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: digit trials. You've witnessed hundreds and hundreds, But as a jury, 203 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: you are you are there for every single second of 204 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: the admissible stuff, not the you know, they need to 205 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: talk to the lawyers to judge whatever. And so you 206 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: see the witness walking, you see them sworn in, You 207 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: see every single second of their testimony. And maybe they 208 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: have a nervous laugh, for instance, and when they you know, 209 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: the little chuck a little lot of people have, but 210 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: you've seen the totality of their testimony. So the fact 211 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: that they chuckled a little bit while saying something, you think, oh, 212 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: that's just the way that guy communicates snow. 213 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: Big deal. 214 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: But if you isolate that to a clip on the news, 215 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: it looks weird and troubling and it leads to all 216 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: sorts of stupid, blanking Internet speculation and Candace Owens next 217 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: two hours of content. And so just I don't know 218 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: any comment, Larry, you're on the other side of the 219 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: bench from me. 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: When you see that. Let's say you have somebody that 221 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: has a little snicker or they have a stutter and 222 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 4: they can't talk like a normal person would when they're 223 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: under stressed. You can take that and you can tell 224 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: the jury before they testify. Now, mister Smith has a 225 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 4: speech impediment, and he may find that it's not as 226 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 4: clear as everybody else. You're not to infer anything by it. 227 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 4: He's not being disrespectful, et cetera, et cetera. 228 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: C that's pretty good. That's interesting. 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: You look at the news, all you're going to get 230 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 4: is the snicker or the smirt, right, and they're not 231 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: going to admonition on the news story. 232 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: All right, all right, you've convinced us. Thank you, Judge 233 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: Larry Goodman, Superior Court. Always a pleasure, always enlightening. Thanks 234 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: so much for the time. 235 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: Thanks Joe and Jack, you guys take care. 236 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: All right, I was already convent. Body reconvinced me or 237 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: further pays perspective. It's kind of handy once in a while, 238 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: isn't it, when you're talking about issues. 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Oh, 266 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: we have some breaking news around the Epstein story. 267 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: You're the best. Yeah, there you go. 268 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: No, no, we don't, then we don't. This will be 269 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: utterly insignificant. That is where my money is, and I 270 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: don't even know what it is. It's slightly more significant 271 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: than the seeing the picture of his bathroom that came 272 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: out last week. 273 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: But uh, other stuff on the way to stay here. 274 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: Armstrong, a California woman recently gave birth in a self 275 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 5: driving Waimo taxi. Then to even things out, the Waimo 276 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 5: ran over a pedestrian. 277 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: In San Francis. Let's go. 278 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 5: On Monday, a woman gave birth inside a way Mo 279 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 5: self driving car. 280 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: Both mother and baby are. 281 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 5: Still circling the parking lot of a Joanne Fabric. 282 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: Those are both good jokes. 283 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: I like them. 284 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: Ran over a pedestrian to even things out. 285 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Wow, ah, it's funny how the they're not really safe 286 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: for very good jokes are so popular at the same 287 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: time that were squeezed screaming toward they're going to take 288 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: away our right to drive because they're better at it 289 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: than us. 290 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Very right. 291 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: Well, and according to Waymos statistics, they have ninety six 292 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: percent fewer accidents at intersections than humans do. 293 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: Here's your dumb breaking news story. 294 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: So last week, breaking news pictures came out of the 295 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: Epstein something or other, and it was a bunch of 296 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: pictures of his estate. That didn't mean a freaking thing, 297 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: although it was somewhat interesting to me to see his 298 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: island and think, Wow, it'd be crazy to have that 299 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: lifestyle that's yours. The whole damned island, that little lagoon 300 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: in the view, and the beach and the trees and 301 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the house, and the whole thing is yours, and the 302 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:12,239 Speaker 1: airstrip where you land. I mean, that's incredible. What a lifestyle. Wow, 303 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: that would spin your head around. You know, if he 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: is trying to get you to court you, to get 305 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: you to go along with a business deal or whatever 306 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: he's wanting to do, whyever, he's currying your favorite You 307 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: land me at your island saying knock yourself out, places 308 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: of mine, have a good time. Everything's on the house. Wow, 309 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: I'd make an impression on you anyway. 310 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: House. 311 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: Democrats have released more photos from Jeffrey Epstein's estate, but 312 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: this time featuring pictures of humans, including Trump, Bill Clinton 313 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: and other prominent figures. So this will be this will 314 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: have tongues wagging all day long. If there are pictures 315 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: we haven't already seen before, and at least one of 316 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: them are looking here at here looks like a Trump 317 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: Epstein picture I had never seen. 318 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: Before, still doesn't mean anything. We're prove it, So I'm sorry. 319 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: Are they from the island necessarily or just with Epstein? 320 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: Just with Epstein? Oh? 321 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: Forgot, this is nothing pictures I've never seen before, so 322 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: they will No, No, it doesn't mean anything, of course not. 323 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: Walmart's removing synthetic dyes from its food. So the picture 324 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: I just saw on the news when they said that 325 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: was the meat case, now I get it. Like they 326 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: also showed some Christmas cookies. Okay, there's all kinds of 327 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: coloring dyes in the frosting and stuff like that, and 328 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of them or substitute something else 329 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: that gives you the color. But the meat case, we're 330 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: gonna get gray meat. Are they redding up our meat 331 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: a little bit there at Walmart? And you take that 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: colors out of there, and all of a sudden, your 333 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: shrimp and everything is gray. 334 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: It'll be a little off putting. I remember hearing about 335 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: that years. 336 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: And years ago, but I can't remember how commonplace it is. 337 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: I feel like that was a big thing years ago. 338 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Also that that's particularly with seafood, they'd make it look 339 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: more red because it turns gray very quickly. 340 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I remember that. Well. 341 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: I know that Americans are so obsessed with the appearance 342 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: of food. There are varieties of apples and pairs and 343 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: whatever else that just don't sell in the United States 344 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: because their peels don't look perfect. They taste way better, 345 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: but because they don't look like they're out of a 346 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: food ad, Americans generally. 347 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: Won't buy them as much. 348 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all that 349 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: our steaks are getting tarted up. It's what you grow 350 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: up with and you get used to, which is everything 351 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: looking like it came off the cover of a magazine. 352 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: But like I've been in other countries where you go 353 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: you're going to a grocery store and like the produce particularly, 354 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: it's like, what this is what you're selling here? People 355 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: buying this bruises and danse and off putting shapes. 356 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's fine, Yeah, just we expect perfection. Oh. 357 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: I was reminded Jack that yesterday, I believe it was 358 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: you brought us a fabulous witticism about a cow with 359 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: no legs? 360 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: What do you call it? Ground beef? 361 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Bruce says Jack should have asked and said, what do 362 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: you call a cow with two legs? 363 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: The answer is lean beef? 364 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: There you go, which is better for you? Where do 365 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: you find a cow with no legs? Exactly where you 366 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: left it? I don't know. Trump with an executive order 367 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: around AI. That got a lot of attention yesterday in 368 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: the afternoon. We can talk a little bit about that, 369 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: among other things. Armstrong and Getty. 370 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: Poor. 371 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 5: Check Time magazine announced today that it's person of the 372 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Year are the quote individuals who imagined, designed, and built AI. 373 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 5: Just think thanks to them, next year we won't need 374 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 5: a person of the year. 375 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: That's pretty interesting. How many Yeah? 376 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: What if the person of the year for ten years 377 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: running is Ai chat bott Evron who cured lung cancer. 378 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: I think we got to shut it down at that point. 379 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: So, speaking of AI, Trump with a big order yesterday 380 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: to try to deregulate AI. Why this year alone, twenty 381 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: twenty five, which is coming to a close. All fifty 382 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: states and territories, even our territories, you too, GWAM, All 383 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: fifty states and territories introduced AI legislation. Thirty eight states 384 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: adopted about one hundred laws, and because of that, Trump 385 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: signed an executive order denuter state AI laws, saying it's 386 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: important for America to dominate AI. Any state that does 387 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: not overturn their laws or support the United States that 388 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: this is in the quotes United States Global AI Dominance Act, 389 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: putting dozens of AI safety and consumer protection laws at 390 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: risk if states keep their laws in place that they 391 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: already passed. Trump said he's going to direct regulators to 392 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: withhold funds for broadband and other projects. That's the way 393 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: the federal government forces. 394 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: You to do things. They withhold funds. Right, what do 395 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: you call it? Act? That you just refer to? The 396 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: United States Global AI Dominance? 397 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: What status is that at? Does it exist? Has it 398 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: been written as well for Congress? We're about to find out. No, 399 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: it's not before Congress. It's a president thing. The order yesterday, 400 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: which has sparked broad bipartisan opposition lots of people both 401 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: parties don't like it, is likely to be challenged in 402 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: court by states and consumer groups on the grounds that 403 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: only Congress as the authority to override state laws. Legal 404 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: experts said this is gonna be damned interesting though. Ah, 405 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: how much if we had done this around automobiles or 406 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: the internet at the very beginning, or whatever else, how 407 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: much would have it have slowed down us being the 408 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: global leader on those things. Yes, I think and I 409 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: absolutely stand ready to be corrected on this, but I 410 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: think this is a great example of you know, the 411 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: same situation is people are very very worried about AI 412 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: and they are looking to government to solve the problem, 413 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: which in some cases is appropriate, often not, but and 414 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: their representative in the government are like, I have no 415 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: idea what to do, so we'll just do this. 416 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: Neither do they pass stuff that is half ridiculous, well. 417 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: Right, and is probably going to only handcuff us and 418 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: actually accomplish nothing in terms of making you safer, your 419 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: money safer, the internet safer. Well, however you want to 420 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: look at it. So I follow a lot of conversations 421 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: between doomers, which I'm one of an accelerationists, who say 422 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: we need to go full speed ahead to make sure 423 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: we stay ahead of China and just because it's going 424 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: to be so. 425 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: Great for everybody. 426 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: But one of the arguments of the accelerations is accelerationists. 427 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: Is there there are no laws you can pass that 428 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: doesn't that make any sense? Certainly not yet. Nobody has 429 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: any idea what we're even talking about yet, right yeah, well, 430 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: plus you can pass every law you want. I'm going 431 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: to ask my chat gpt, Hey, how do I get 432 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: around this law? Great question, Joe, you're so curious. Here's 433 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: how you get around it. Just route your saying through 434 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: a blankety blanket. 435 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: You know it is. It's all performative. I think I 436 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: think it is too. 437 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: I think the broad bipartisan opposition is mostly like you said, 438 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: it's scared voters who have no idea what they're even 439 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: scared of, or any the slightest inkling, and nobody does 440 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: how you would regulate it, right, which is not to 441 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: discount people's concern for what I'm a doer. 442 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah? Well okay, So you know it's funny. 443 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: I just happened to read a piece by the brilliant 444 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: you've all Levin about why Republicans lose every argument about 445 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: health care costs, and it's ironically convinced me that it's 446 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: time to pull the plug on the American Democratic experiment 447 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: while the patient is dead. Wow, you're gonna put a 448 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: pill over the face of democracy. Oh, no, need to, no, 449 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: need to. It's it's dead. It's just being supported by machines. 450 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to break the news to you, missus America. No, yeah, yeah, 451 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: you're your country is dead. Not really, not really, who 452 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: knows twists and turns keep on coming. But he actually 453 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: have stats on that, percentages of people that think that 454 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: we're more or less over versus dying, versus doing Okay, 455 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: I have stats on that coming up from a new poll. Yeah, 456 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: I'll just hit you with a couple of sentences from 457 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: that piece about healthcare, which is I was just reminded 458 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: of confusing and frightening but very important political discussions that 459 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: end up being really dumb. Is our theme you've all writes, 460 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: this is where politics gum things up talking about Well, anyway, 461 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: the fact is most of us don't actually want a 462 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: lot of choice when it comes to healthcare. We just 463 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: want to believe that everything is paid for. That creates 464 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: an incentive to hide costs by routing most payments through 465 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: insurers or government, which sustains the illusion that everything is 466 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: free to the consumer. This has yielded a healthcare system 467 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: without real prices, which is something we've talked about. 468 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: That sentence in there. I realize that's true. 469 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: But if people think stuff, anything you get is free, 470 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: well then we just have a dumb populace. 471 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: Correct. 472 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: You can't get past that. That's the problem. How do 473 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: you think anything could be free if I was going 474 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: to be more charitable for once in my life, yeah, 475 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: I would say the practically the entire political structure of 476 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: our country at this point, both parties have convinced people 477 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: that to what comes from the government is free and 478 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: that they have a right to it. Or there are 479 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: just enough billionaires to fund all of this if they 480 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: pay there But anyway, so back to Levin's point that 481 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: this sustains the illusion that everything is free to the consumer. 482 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: This has yielded a healthcare system without real prices and 483 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: therefore without enough pressure to restrain spending. In turn, that's 484 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: led to ever rising costs paid for by ever rising subsidies. 485 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: It's one of the main reasons we're so deep in debt. Anyway, 486 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: he writes. For decades, this is that health policy proposals 487 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: that make economic sense do not make political sense, and 488 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: vice versa. And so Democrats have responded to the problem 489 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: by leaning into the political logic and proposing endless subsidies, 490 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: and it is much more appealing to voters than saying whoa, whoa, Well, 491 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: here are the problems with this model. Here's why we 492 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: need reform at bluff. But it just you can't get 493 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: it through a democracy, which I realized is incredibly discouraging. 494 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes realism is discouraging. But yeah, oof oof, where do. 495 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: We go from here? 496 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: We do need to get Craig the healthcare guru on 497 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: in the new year to talk about the status and 498 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: things I think because it's intimidating and confusing and depressing 499 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: and discouraging, but it's something we all are involved in. 500 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: It's not like hearing some sort of legislation about oil 501 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: rigs in the Gulf of America. I mean, you think, yeah, 502 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: I get oil, and no. Everybody's funly involved in healthcare. 503 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: So it's very very important to I have, like the 504 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: majority of Americans have healthcare through my employer, and uh, 505 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: once you get past the deductible, I'm pretty happy with it. 506 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Like I picked up a whole bunch of prescriptions at 507 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: the pharmacy the other day and the total was like 508 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: two dollars and forty cents for like six things. I 509 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: always say, that's outrageous, and I get a laugh out 510 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: of the hilarious pharmacist girl. 511 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: But it's amazed by that. 512 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: But here in a couple of weeks, it'll be January first, 513 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: and we all get to experience that hole. You go 514 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: to the pharmacy or the first doctor appointment and you 515 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: get hit with this insane bill. It's like, oh, that's right, 516 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: my five thousand dollars deductible hasn't been met yet for 517 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: the year, right, And plenty of employers are out there saying, 518 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: uh yeah, and I'm kicking in X amount every single 519 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: month on. 520 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: Your healthcare that that prescription wasn't two dollars and forty 521 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: cents of three hundred seventy five dollars. 522 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 4: Idiot? 523 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: Why slapsticks anyway, because nobody sees the prices. 524 00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 525 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: I get so every year when I go to pick 526 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: up one prescription for my son and it's like one 527 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars. What you haven't hit your deductible yet? 528 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: And so here's a question for you on air meeting. 529 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna phrase this in. 530 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: One of the one of the. 531 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Ways I hate the most take the Joe Getty challenge. 532 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: Do you have the guts to take on these stories? 533 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know how annoying is that? 534 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: That was adding? 535 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so headline from the Free Press the base is 536 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: done with Maga. It wants America. 537 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: First. 538 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: She went to Marjorie Taylor Green's district in Georgia and 539 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: talked to lots and lots of voters and they are 540 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: over Donald j. 541 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well did you read or maybe you were about 542 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: to say that, ah. 543 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: Peggy Newman, Yeah, yeah, Dan Trump may be losing his 544 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: touch at the end of his eleventh month. He's surrounded 545 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: by mood shifts, challenges, an ominous sign well, particularly her 546 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: talking about how Marjorie Taylor Green may have signaled to everybody. 547 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: You can challenge the king and survive. 548 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: She's doing better for herself than she probably ever has. 549 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Got the sixty minutes piece. She's getting lots of news 550 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: coverage and all that sort of stuff. She hasn't been 551 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: you know, ruined. Oh no, no, yeah. Peggy refers to 552 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: it as a jail break moment. 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Got an update on that Michigan football coach. 599 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: That's a heck of a story. He had one of 600 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: the best coaching jobs in the world, I mean, of 601 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: any sport at any level. 602 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 603 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: And you know what I hadn't heard until this morning 604 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: or late last night. Married three kids. Yeah, I was 605 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: just he had an inappropriate relationship with the staffer. Those 606 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: stiff rules. But no, I was a dad and a 607 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: husband's that's out of bounds. Yeah, okay, but not Yeah, Okay, 608 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: got ugly. 609 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: We can tell you all about that. I want to 610 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: check in on that woman. 611 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: She a trans woman, gets cancer surgery, secretly records the 612 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: doctor's story from the New York Times. That's an interesting one. 613 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 1: Among other things we got to get to coming up. 614 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Can I begin with This story has no real point 615 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: to me. I'm not trying to make a point of 616 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: any kind, because you might be listening trying to figure 617 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: out what's the point. I'm not trying to make a point. 618 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: I just find this interesting, this whole story about this 619 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: trans woman who secretly recorded her cancer surgery. 620 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: It's just interesting. 621 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: She's filing a lawsuit against what the people said while 622 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: she was under which is again interesting. Every story as 623 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: a point, whether you want it to or not. I'm 624 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: not trying to make the nature of stories. I'm not 625 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: trying to make a major point about trans or anything 626 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: like that. So if you're waiting for that. 627 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: It's it's. 628 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: It is unusual for patients to record their own surgeries, 629 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: but not completely unheard of. I don't remember if we 630 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: talked about this lawsuit back in twenty thirteen. 631 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: Maybe we did. 632 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: A man recorded audio secretly while he was sedated and 633 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: sued during a colonoscopy because of antsegiologists remarks. The doctor 634 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: told other medical staff members that she thought. 635 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: It breaks yourself. I have no idea what the next sentence. 636 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: So this gets to what Joe was talking about earlier. 637 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: We all say things among friends or or you know, 638 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: text friends or family members or whatever, things that you know, 639 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: we wouldn't say ill loud anyone else. And in this 640 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: case he got anesthesiologists or doctors or whatever. 641 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: They don't think the patient's listening. 642 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: So the doctor told other medical staff members she found 643 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: the patient so annoying she felt like punching him. She 644 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: said a rash on the patient's genitals was probably penis 645 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: of bola. 646 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: Wow, you don't want that. 647 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: The patient who was awarded a half million dollars by 648 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: a jury. Said he had hit record on his phone 649 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: because he wanted documentation of what the doctor said. Why 650 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: he worried that the sedation would leave him too groggy 651 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: to remember. 652 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: What are you worried about? What? 653 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, wait a minute, that sounds like a cart before 654 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: a horse. Or you weren't concerned. You were trying, you 655 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: were hoping for something like this. Anyway, Well, what they 656 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: were claiming, and it's the same thing that this woman 657 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm you saying. Woman, this is what the New York 658 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: Times is calling this person even though they have a 659 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: penis that they were recording it. And I had this 660 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,239 Speaker 1: experience when I was doing cancer treatment. You're so drugged up, 661 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: and they're telling me all these things you gotta do. 662 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: If I hadn't had somebody there with me some of 663 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: the time to like write it down, you're giving me 664 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: all these instructions of what I can eat and how 665 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: many pills to take, and I'm half out of my 666 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: mind on pills. And so that's why this person said 667 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: they were recording the conversation. 668 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: It might be true, but you did it secretly. 669 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: You could like say, hey, I'm going to record you 670 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: just so I don't forget this as opposed to secretly 671 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: hit your phone and then stash it when they put 672 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: you under. 673 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: That makes it sound to me like you're trying to 674 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: catch them at something. 675 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, getting someone's consent is and letting them know they're 676 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: being recorded is just common decency. Jennifer Caspasso, a forty 677 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: two year old transgender woman, figured she was going to 678 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: be dead in eighteen months. She had been diagnosed with 679 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: cancer and was going to undergo some surgery. Uh, she 680 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: decided to secretly record her surgeons. I'll skip all the 681 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: other stuff. I wanted to know what's going on, she said, 682 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: Knowledge is power. Okay, fine. The surgery moved part of 683 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: her lung, did not getting around to playing the recording 684 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: until a few weeks later. Well that makes me feel 685 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: like you weren't that interested in what they said about 686 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: your instructions. Though the audio was muffled, she could follow 687 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: some of what the surgical team was saying before the 688 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: procedure began. Again, this is a transwoman that she has 689 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: a penis in this story, it's a man. God, Why 690 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: why do you allow the New York Times to order 691 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: you to pervert the language? Chicken makes it easier to 692 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: follow the story. But anyway, someone was going out for coffee. 693 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: Did anyone want something from Starbucks? That's one of the 694 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: things they got recorded during this star Jay. The conversation 695 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: just shifted, then shifted, still has man parts. It seemed 696 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: to Miss Capasso that they were talking about her genitalia. 697 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: Wow, you are Sherlock Holmes there. 698 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: On the recording, the healthcare workers expressed a variety of 699 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: opinions about transgender identity, more generally not that it's not right. 700 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: But one person can be heard saying and another said, 701 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: I don't get any of it. And in the middle 702 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: of the conversation, one person suggested updating the medical file. Yeah, 703 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: it needs to say mail on here. The person said. 704 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: When Miss Capasso woke up, she found out that her 705 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: electronic medical records had been changed to M for male, 706 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: and now she's fighting to get it changed back and 707 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: suing the hospital for misgendering her while she was asleep 708 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: or whatever the hell. I would think you gotta have 709 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: male on there, since male bodies require different care and 710 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: maybe doses of drugs or whatever. 711 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 2: And react to drugs differently. 712 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: There are a hundred or more differences in medical care 713 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: between men and women. 714 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: It's incredibly important. 715 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: By the way, this particular woman had had a half 716 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: dozen procedures to feminize her face, all the while undergoing 717 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: cancer surgery. Her browbridge, her brow ridge was sanded down. 718 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: That sounds pleasant. Her orbital bone was shaved to give 719 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: her eyes an upward tilt. Her square chin was softened. 720 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: There were cheek implants and a change to her nose too. 721 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: I needed radical surgical intervention, she said. The clock was ticking. 722 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know how much longer I was going to 723 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: be alive. I wasn't going to die looking the way 724 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: I looked. I wanted to die leaving a pretty female corpse. 725 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: This is a story about a mentally ill man. It's 726 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: a shame. That's what I told you. 727 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: I said. I don't really have a point other than 728 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: I thought this was all interesting. Browridge sanded down. 729 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: Orbital bone shaved to give your eyes an upward tilt. 730 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: I can't believe doctors even do that. It's kind of 731 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: the looking like a girl package. Yeah, wow, you're right. 732 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: They were referring to your genitalia. Very clever for you 733 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: to catch on the Armstrong and Getty