Speaker 1: There's a part of me that feels like a fifty
Speaker 1: year old tupacet is not gonna be He ain't the
Speaker 1: hero we want him to be. That's not gonna be
Speaker 1: the greatest rapper of all time. That's just gonna be
Speaker 1: a dude whilom trash ass opinions about like women, respectability, politics,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a whole different animal.
Speaker 1: Now we're looking at his stuff all through the lens
Speaker 1: of you know whatever, that year, even though today we're
Speaker 1: looking at it all through the lens of twenty. We're like,
Speaker 1: bro harpy about you, Harby, gonna share all if you don't, yeh,
Speaker 1: shut up, man, You're weird, your jeans are too big,
Speaker 1: and you're making me uncomfortable with your thoughts. Chips in
Speaker 1: your nails. Man racist also most money materney stuff you
Speaker 1: can't tell me. Yeah, there it is. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: to another A magnificent, a devastating, a spectacular episode of
Speaker 1: My Mama Told Me, The podcast where we died deep deep,
Speaker 1: super deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and
Speaker 1: we finally figure out where the government is hiding. Jazz Faye,
Speaker 1: Where's jazz government. We know you got him. Fuck Carmen
Speaker 1: San Diego. Show me where Jazz Faye is. Where in
Speaker 1: the world is jazz fake ladies, ladies, ladies and gentle lazy.
Speaker 1: I need to know where jasse By is. He didn't
Speaker 1: do anything to anybody. The man's probably he probably did.
Speaker 1: I haven't likely. I haven't been doing my jazz favor research.
Speaker 1: Maybe he got canceled at some point along the way,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know. This is exciting. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Lankston Kerman. As always, I was thinking about this the
Speaker 1: other day that this is the only I think and
Speaker 1: I dare to say this. This is the only conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory podcast where we say the word nigga and it's
Speaker 1: not coming from a place of hate. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Every other conspiracy theory podcast they call
Speaker 1: people nigga and it's it's a mean nigga. But this
Speaker 1: is a kind of nigga. This is a loving nigga.
Speaker 1: My dad hates that I say be in words so much,
Speaker 1: But you know who doesn't hate that I say the
Speaker 1: in word. I have no idea how it feels about
Speaker 1: me say the in word. It's my guest today he's spectacular,
Speaker 1: he's hilarious. He's an amazing actor, Champion of champions. You
Speaker 1: know him from Insecure, you know him from Mrs America,
Speaker 1: you know him from his podcast The Untold Story Policing.
Speaker 1: He's the best. Give it up for my guest today,
Speaker 1: Mr j ellis over our Koala bearers racist for real.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I heard that whispering there. I
Speaker 1: heard that whispering there. Uh, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: They're from Australia, and I feel like almost everybody in
Speaker 1: Australia is pretty racist, so I'm willing to go that way.
Speaker 1: Oh I won't hold a quala bear ever, now, yeah
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. They're also filled with diseases. There's like a
Speaker 1: real rule. I don't know if you've ever been to Australia,
Speaker 1: but there are like real rules in certain cities that
Speaker 1: you're actually not allowed to hold Koala bears because they
Speaker 1: are number one, super like endangered and also uh covered
Speaker 1: in diseases that they only give the black people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: specifically they hold out. Now, you don't get it today,
Speaker 1: you don't get it. You don't get it. The Koala
Speaker 1: bears love the paper bag test. They can't get enough
Speaker 1: of it. How are you? I'm good, bro, How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, it's a good day. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're here. You brought to us a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: that I feel like, and I dare say, is the
Speaker 1: first conspiracy theory I ever subscribe to. That like I
Speaker 1: ever was like, oh wow, I think I believe in
Speaker 1: something that the world doesn't want me to believe in.
Speaker 1: If that you said, And I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I get this right, you said, my mama told me
Speaker 1: tupockets alive and hiding in Cuba. Yeah, she got it
Speaker 1: from a magazine rush. She got it from one of
Speaker 1: the joints in the grocery aisle, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And she came home one day and she showed it
Speaker 1: to me, and she was like, you gotta believe it
Speaker 1: because the Inquirer said it. Sure, Why would the National
Speaker 1: enquire a lot of us? I mean, they are a
Speaker 1: truth teller, right, Like, that's what they do, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So plish, gotta be real. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be bro. They had pictures that they had facts. I
Speaker 1: don't know that they were where they got the facts from,
Speaker 1: but they had them. You know, they had him. They
Speaker 1: put him in bold, so you knew that they were legit. Wait,
Speaker 1: so so your mother, in fact, was the person that
Speaker 1: first introduced this to you. So here's the thing. So
Speaker 1: my grandpa, my mom's dad, was a truck driver and
Speaker 1: he would stop and he drove all across the country, right,
Speaker 1: and his thing was literally to get the inquiry, all
Speaker 1: the all the what do they call those things now?
Speaker 1: I can't even think of him. He would get all
Speaker 1: the magazines, the tabloids there you go. He would get
Speaker 1: all the tabloids along his stops. Right, so as he
Speaker 1: would stop and see us, we were told home at
Speaker 1: the time, and when he would stop and see us,
Speaker 1: he would always like give a little bit of wisdom.
Speaker 1: So my mom was actually I think my mom was
Speaker 1: actually like he was the first person that told me
Speaker 1: there was an alien cult that worshiped Oprah for example.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Oh, okay, he was Okay,
Speaker 1: he was out there. He's coming back from home every
Speaker 1: time with a little treat for you to go a
Speaker 1: little more crazy with out in Tulsa. Just let's shake
Speaker 1: things up around here. And then he getting this truck
Speaker 1: and he did well I think my my mom, I
Speaker 1: think was actually telling me this as a joke. I
Speaker 1: think she was like playing she was. I think she
Speaker 1: was making fun of my grandpa. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't think she was necessarily truthful that pocket was
Speaker 1: hidening cube, but maybe she was. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: should ask her, But I remember her coming home one
Speaker 1: day and she had bought an inquiry and it was
Speaker 1: like one of those super super grainy photos of like
Speaker 1: a black cuban on a beach who happened to be
Speaker 1: ball headed, just one dude with a goatee and he
Speaker 1: had a tattoo. You know what I'm saying. It didn't
Speaker 1: even say thug life. It just said, uh, trabajo. But
Speaker 1: you know, so, so after that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: She she she put it in my head. I got
Speaker 1: you and so and so she puts this in your head. Well,
Speaker 1: your grandfather he puts it in her head. She puts
Speaker 1: this in your head. And then you do you believe it?
Speaker 1: Are you a hundred percent? Audiend? Yeah? I think we
Speaker 1: all were like, do you remember the first time you
Speaker 1: heard about it? I think when we all first I
Speaker 1: think when we saw the images because even the images
Speaker 1: weren't so clear that it was him, because his head
Speaker 1: was turned the other way I think, or it was
Speaker 1: kind of like slumped down, so like it almost felt
Speaker 1: like it could be staged, or it could have been
Speaker 1: somebody else. And so yeah, I fully believed that Park
Speaker 1: was in Cuba. Well to your point, so many of
Speaker 1: the images related to Tupac's death were like unfinished, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like we never got like
Speaker 1: a definitive that's Tupac he dead photo, And so I
Speaker 1: think everybody was like, I don't know, bro, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of space for negotiation at this point because we
Speaker 1: don't know. We never saw it. When nobody saw him dead. Also,
Speaker 1: everybody knew somebody ball. I went to school with a
Speaker 1: kid named b J Coleman. B J looked like a
Speaker 1: young Poc. Like everybody knew somebody who shaved their head,
Speaker 1: who had a mustache, or who had a goatee, who like,
Speaker 1: at the right distance, in the right way, with some
Speaker 1: face gold on that's gonna turn their ears green. Hundred
Speaker 1: yards away, I am Tupac. If you get me hundred
Speaker 1: yards away, I'm Tupac. Up close, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a completely different person, but at a certain angle in
Speaker 1: the right life, we could all be Tupac. It's a
Speaker 1: fascinating thing because I remember specifically hearing that Tupac had
Speaker 1: gotten shot and he didn't die instantly, and so I
Speaker 1: think so many of us, like the other times that
Speaker 1: he got shot, were like, he'll be all right, hence
Speaker 1: he'll bounce back, and then he supposedly didn't bounce back,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, no, I think he bounced
Speaker 1: back because right I refused to think otherwise. And then
Speaker 1: when all the stuff came out about like the relationship
Speaker 1: we should and not paying him and buying him cars
Speaker 1: to drag him along and all that, then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I understand why a dude would fake his death, And
Speaker 1: right like it all started to like make sense where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like the cops are matter to him
Speaker 1: for this sugar won't pay him he got, you know,
Speaker 1: he feels like he had a deal with the devil
Speaker 1: he can't get out of. Understand why this dude, You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, It's like, yeah, I'm gonna fake
Speaker 1: my dad and run get right, So to your point,
Speaker 1: and I think this is very fair. He had legitimate
Speaker 1: reasons to want to fake his death. This wasn't like
Speaker 1: a guy who just did it for entertainment value. He
Speaker 1: legitimately was caught up in like you know what they
Speaker 1: call like the three sixty deal and like the whole
Speaker 1: year he's being scammed out of his money. Tupac was
Speaker 1: the most famous man alive who basically wasn't benefiting from
Speaker 1: his own celebrity exactly exactly. So, I mean, if I'm
Speaker 1: in that situation, you know, the insurance money looks good
Speaker 1: for the family, you know what I mean, sures check
Speaker 1: looks good for the family. If I'm in that situation,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, There's only so many people
Speaker 1: you can go to for help because you are who
Speaker 1: you are. Okay, so you hear this, you believe it?
Speaker 1: Do you start spreading it? Are you the conceiver of
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory? Are you paid and zero in your school?
Speaker 1: Or do you go and people are like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: already knew that, Jay, we got it all figured out.
Speaker 1: My middle school was all black, and so everybody in
Speaker 1: my school knew about it. Every you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was like I got there and I was late,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I got there and it
Speaker 1: was like, man, where you where you being? Like, of
Speaker 1: course he hiding in Cuba. This is in the curriculum
Speaker 1: in English class like Mr Williams was teaching about it
Speaker 1: last week before he was even dead. So what you're
Speaker 1: talking about and go to Cuba? Right, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: There was a couple of kids even popping my head
Speaker 1: I could think of who looked at me sideways like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: what you mean like of course he in Cuba. Like
Speaker 1: he bought a house, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: his kids is with him, his wife is with him,
Speaker 1: and like he just kicking it, making music with you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Bob Marley or somebody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They just started adding on to the conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Who else was down there with him? Well that's where
Speaker 1: to me became challenging to keep following the train is
Speaker 1: like people start it'd like suggesting all the people that
Speaker 1: knew and were a part of the conspiracy theory, and
Speaker 1: it's like you don't get to disappear and kick it,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like you don't get
Speaker 1: to keep vibing with everybody that's cool, while simultaneously fulling
Speaker 1: disappearing off of the face of the earth exactly. Nobody's
Speaker 1: being that cool where they're just like, all right, I
Speaker 1: won't tell anybody part especially for free. Yeah, for free. Also,
Speaker 1: we can all travel to Cuba at this point, which
Speaker 1: has been completely cut off from America. But that's fine,
Speaker 1: no resources, communist ran country, Like that's what we're gonna
Speaker 1: go do. Yeah, we're just saying, okay, so you believe it,
Speaker 1: your friends at school believe it. Is there a point
Speaker 1: in your life where you stop believing in this theory?
Speaker 1: At what point do you jump off of the tupockets
Speaker 1: in Cuba train or have you jumped off? Maybe you
Speaker 1: still bought in. No, I jumped off. I do jump off.
Speaker 1: So here's what I think would happen. I think in
Speaker 1: two thousands there was all the conspiracies that like that's
Speaker 1: when he was gonna come back, right, the Mayan calendar
Speaker 1: and two thousands, those were the two things. It was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you wanted to believe. And where
Speaker 1: I'm from. Where I'm from is the Bible Belt, Like
Speaker 1: it's a church on every single corner, and so like
Speaker 1: there were churches that literally would buy billboards and put
Speaker 1: up like the Mayan prophecy and like that the world
Speaker 1: was gonna come to end in two thousand. Right, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, wait, so these churches are super conservative churches.
Speaker 1: They would get billboards saying that the world was gonna
Speaker 1: come to like are you good with God? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying for your sins? Because the end is
Speaker 1: near right coming. They're doing like they're doing like some
Speaker 1: cross branding ship. They're like, all right, well, if y'all
Speaker 1: all think the world is ending, Jesus is still the way.
Speaker 1: You gotta get good with Jesus. Otherwise that Mayan that's
Speaker 1: gonna get you. That's gonna get you. You can come
Speaker 1: over here, or you can deal with the mind, or
Speaker 1: you can deal with the mind. And they ain't even
Speaker 1: around no more, so we don't even know how to
Speaker 1: act with them. Do your thing, you choose. So it
Speaker 1: was a combination of that and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like in school, it just started floating around it like
Speaker 1: POC was gonna come back in two thousands. So here
Speaker 1: I am thinking like, oh, one of the two is
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Either the world is gonna end or technology
Speaker 1: is gonna melt everything. Dawn remember that whole thing that
Speaker 1: they thought it was all gonna go back to zeros.
Speaker 1: They thought, like, the computers weren't ready for two thousands,
Speaker 1: why two K? And it blows my mind still that
Speaker 1: this was what why two K was. But that was
Speaker 1: the whole premise, was that our computers weren't going to
Speaker 1: be able to figure out the difference between zero zero
Speaker 1: zero zero in two thousand and so it would make
Speaker 1: rockets go off and explode the entire planet. Satellites were
Speaker 1: gonna come falling out of the sky, and cell phones
Speaker 1: were gonna be like criss crossed with like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: government signals, you know what I'm radio. So it was
Speaker 1: like all this stuff was happening at once, and then
Speaker 1: pac was supposed to come back. So I feel like,
Speaker 1: for me, when none of it happened, I think that's
Speaker 1: when I got off the conspiracy train altogether. I think
Speaker 1: you're right. When my computer didn't shut down, I was
Speaker 1: still to get up, get on a O L. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It still about the black planet.
Speaker 1: The next day, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 1: still able to do that. On the next day, the
Speaker 1: world you had bought went to waste cans of green
Speaker 1: beans you had locked in the basement were unuseful. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, maybe pocket isn't coming back. You brought
Speaker 1: up something that I'm sure our white listeners have no
Speaker 1: idea about, but it was a very important thing to
Speaker 1: me in my youth. Black Planet. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: black pant. Yes, sir, were you active? Were you an
Speaker 1: active member of Black Planet? Was? I was for a
Speaker 1: little bit. I was through college, and then I got off.
Speaker 1: I was for a little bit. I ended up going
Speaker 1: the school that I went to. If you were black
Speaker 1: in my school, you were an athletes. So there was
Speaker 1: very few of back there. Yeah, and then just in
Speaker 1: general the city. Even I was in Portland, Oregon, so
Speaker 1: even being in that city, it didn't have a huge
Speaker 1: black population. So Black Planet was away at first. It
Speaker 1: was a way for me to kind of connect with
Speaker 1: like all my people who were either back home or
Speaker 1: friends of mine who went to you know, some of
Speaker 1: my friends went to Howard and you know, Crambling and
Speaker 1: like went to black schools and so uh hbc US,
Speaker 1: and so it was partly away for me to kind
Speaker 1: of like keep connected with them. And then after a
Speaker 1: while I just kind of fell off and then actually
Speaker 1: then Facebook kind of kicked in and I kind of
Speaker 1: like fell off and got on the Facebook train. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Black Planets sort of existed in that weird window
Speaker 1: between my Space and Facebook that like my Space, I
Speaker 1: guess we would say is the one that initiated it
Speaker 1: at all. But then Black Planet came around and people
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, this is cool, black people talking to
Speaker 1: black people. Collern that black girls who I don't know,
Speaker 1: like that was the whole energy. And then Facebook came around.
Speaker 1: We're like, I don't know, I'm just gonna talk to
Speaker 1: these college kids that I actually relate to. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you can compete. I mean, Facebook has just gotten so
Speaker 1: massive at that point. Even out Think Gate it was huge,
Speaker 1: so compete, you know what I mean. At the Gate
Speaker 1: it was big, so it was it was hard to Uh,
Speaker 1: it was hard to compete, I think. And yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think Facebook it just had the branding behind it
Speaker 1: that a lot of the black planets of the world
Speaker 1: just couldn't match. And that's probably true about a lot
Speaker 1: of black products out of the room, Like we've been
Speaker 1: making some cool ship. But then the Mark Zuckerberg show
Speaker 1: up and they do it with all the money and
Speaker 1: we can't we can't compete. Take it, market it, flip it,
Speaker 1: sell it back to you. Alright, so you stopped believing
Speaker 1: in this Tupac thing. Since have you found yourself jumping
Speaker 1: back on board at any point? Have there been times
Speaker 1: throughout the because Tupac's sort of much like the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, I think there's been a bunch of other
Speaker 1: markers that people have thrown out of, like well, this
Speaker 1: is the twentie year, which means he'll be that now
Speaker 1: because the you know, blah blah blah, and it's like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All the different claims of why he waited it's long
Speaker 1: have sort of popped. We've gone through all of them,
Speaker 1: all the windows at this point. Has there ever been
Speaker 1: a point where you were like, all right, I'm back
Speaker 1: on board. I think maybe there's a possibility. I'll say this,
Speaker 1: when Poc was at Coachella as a hologram, Uh huh,
Speaker 1: I was there that year. Okay, my thought process might
Speaker 1: have been inhibited in some ways, and understand what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and so, you know, uh, seeing the hologram made me
Speaker 1: start thinking like what if POC actually came back? Right?
Speaker 1: So then I went down this whole thing of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: first I'm thinking, like, yo, what if Poc popped up
Speaker 1: on stage with his hologram and him and the hologram
Speaker 1: are battling? Right? Like that was my first like just
Speaker 1: like how crazy would that be? Two see Poc and
Speaker 1: it's hollogram. But then like with Poc be out of
Speaker 1: shape and the hologram is like, you know, like sold out.
Speaker 1: There's no way he's still buff. He's been forty deep
Speaker 1: in its probably yeah. And then like does real Pock
Speaker 1: know all the lyrics still? Or is he out of breath?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? While hologram Pocket is like
Speaker 1: just killing it like he's on he got all of
Speaker 1: it um. And then I started thinking about regretting the
Speaker 1: words that he wrote down in his kids, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a daughter, man, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I can't be up here perform and I gotta go
Speaker 1: see my kids talking about how do you want it?
Speaker 1: I got a daughter, you know what? So uh then
Speaker 1: I started thinking about like what would happen if actually
Speaker 1: came back, Like how would we receive party? How would
Speaker 1: Pop fit in to this world? You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like by that time, you know, yeah, is huge.
Speaker 1: Jay Z has been doing it for fifteen years at
Speaker 1: that point, almost twenty years at that point, Eminem is
Speaker 1: coming gone. Nelly. You know what I'm saying. You have
Speaker 1: all these rappers at the time, nas whatever. You've got
Speaker 1: all these rappers at the time who were like coming
Speaker 1: gone and whatever that new crop of rappers was at
Speaker 1: the time. Like would he be a would like be
Speaker 1: up there on stage with them and like spit with them?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, Like what would that be? Like?
Speaker 1: I think that's the scary part about all celebrity, if
Speaker 1: you will, is that, Like, I mean, we've heard it
Speaker 1: over and over again. It's like you either die young
Speaker 1: enough to be a hero or you live long enough
Speaker 1: to become the villain kind of thing. I mean. The
Speaker 1: best case scenario is Park does like a snoop, right,
Speaker 1: and you just become like, you know, the type of
Speaker 1: dude who does cooking shows and like weird sort of
Speaker 1: like you vibe with Martha Stewart and you sort of
Speaker 1: like build yourself as this cutie pie in the media.
Speaker 1: Or worst case scenario, you know, he turns into whatever.
Speaker 1: The scariest version of what Tupac was back when he
Speaker 1: was you know, at his height at Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: You're just spitting on a white lady across the way. Funk.
Speaker 1: You mean I can't come to the base, stale my phone, foe,
Speaker 1: gonna make sure all your kids don't bro Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You can't say that in the school. I can't say
Speaker 1: that in the school. There are actual children here. You
Speaker 1: can't speak that way anymore. Man. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be back with more j
Speaker 1: Ellis and more. My mama told me we are that,
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, we're back here with more j Ellis more.
Speaker 1: My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility
Speaker 1: that Tupac is still alive kicking it in Cuba. This
Speaker 1: is gonna lead us easily into the research. So were
Speaker 1: there any other locations that you felt were possibilities for
Speaker 1: a Tupac still being alive? Yeah? I heard you went
Speaker 1: to like a Polynesian Southeast Asia type island for a while,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that for a while. And then
Speaker 1: remember when Dave Chappelle went to Africa. Yeah, I heard,
Speaker 1: Like I remember one of my homeboys was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know Chappelle is going to see pot in Tanzania,
Speaker 1: and I was like, really, I don't feel right, Like right,
Speaker 1: what did they have to talk about? Why they don't
Speaker 1: even make sense? So they're gonna do kill him the
Speaker 1: Giro together, They're gonna go on a hike. Like although
Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: for that conversation at the same time because it would
Speaker 1: be a lot of genius. I mean, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like you wanted to be real because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the greatest with the greatest. That'd be cool to witness.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that Dave Chappelle and Tupac have a lot to like
Speaker 1: vibe on, Like this dude's been gone for however many years,
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle is sort of at the height of celebrity.
Speaker 1: Maybe they talk about that for a while, but then
Speaker 1: after that they live very different lifestyle, very very different lifestyle.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think all of that is useful
Speaker 1: because it it brings us into the Resa Urch and
Speaker 1: the Tupac lives in Cuba is just one facet I
Speaker 1: guess of so much of what I found. I ended
Speaker 1: up stuck in a lot of YouTube videos, uh, where
Speaker 1: it included people explaining conspiracy theories, and then it was
Speaker 1: like people who had like basically made deep fakes of
Speaker 1: songs of Tupac, like explaining exactly how he escaped from
Speaker 1: University Medical Center and made it out of the United States.
Speaker 1: It's a mind melting journey that I think I ended
Speaker 1: up on. But one of the places, along with Cuba
Speaker 1: that sort of became popular as a place that Tupac
Speaker 1: might have ended up in was Malaysia. You remember hearing
Speaker 1: anything about Malaysia? Okay, maybe that's one of those like
Speaker 1: East Asian island rumors that I heard for a while
Speaker 1: and Bali or something like that. Well, now that's Indonesia,
Speaker 1: I guess. But so apparently Sugar Nights Sun in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen Jacob Night, which how dare you name your son
Speaker 1: Jacob when your name is sugar Man. I know it's
Speaker 1: not your birthday, but you gotta come up with something
Speaker 1: better than Jacob. Came up with something better than that.
Speaker 1: Pep Pep pepper, Come on now, but so uh, Sugar
Speaker 1: Knight's son, Jacob Knight claims and posted it on Instagram.
Speaker 1: He had an ig video where he claims to have
Speaker 1: met up with Tupac in Malaysia in like this busted
Speaker 1: ass apartment where he's just basically like hanging out with him,
Speaker 1: and he has like all these videos of what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be Tupac, and it's just this black dude
Speaker 1: much like what we talked about from a distance, with
Speaker 1: the mustache and the beard bald. He had the bandanna
Speaker 1: tied up because apparently Tupac hasn't changed his look in
Speaker 1: thirty years. But he's sitting bandana for thirty years ago?
Speaker 1: Or did he like getting new bandannas in Malaysia. I
Speaker 1: want to believe it's the same one. I want to
Speaker 1: think it's his lucky bandanna and he's just been wearing
Speaker 1: it for thirty years. But he's sitting in an apartment
Speaker 1: and Jacob keeps going what up, Pop? How you doing? Park?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Parc? And the dude who's supposed to
Speaker 1: be a Tupac won't say anything. He just like he's
Speaker 1: staring back at the camera, unresponsive. Do we know if
Speaker 1: there's been any substance abuse issues? Uh? In the Night Family.
Speaker 1: I have to assume, so I know I'm not judging it.
Speaker 1: I want everybody to get help. I just would like
Speaker 1: sorry if that aided in the conversation with Pop. I
Speaker 1: think what was happening was at the exact same time,
Speaker 1: Jacob Knight was dropping a documentary about his relationship with
Speaker 1: his father, who was then and currently is in jail.
Speaker 1: Uh And I think that he was using this as
Speaker 1: potential press for the release of that documentary, because I
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of interviews where he basically went on
Speaker 1: news shows and they were like, so was it really
Speaker 1: Tupac and be like, you have to watch my documentary
Speaker 1: to find out, and it's like, shoe ass out here?
Speaker 1: Did you watch the doc I did not. I couldn't
Speaker 1: bring myself to give Jacob Night my money. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's going to a good place. Okay, So
Speaker 1: here's my favorite of the other alternative places where Tupac
Speaker 1: is supposed to have gone. My favorite is there's actually
Speaker 1: a current film being made by a guy named Rick Boss.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of Rick Boss. He's not at all
Speaker 1: related to Rick Ross. They're not they're not cousins. It's
Speaker 1: not he's not from Miami. He's not like plus size.
Speaker 1: He is plus sized. That part because he's plus sized,
Speaker 1: and he has breathing problems much like a Rick Ross.
Speaker 1: But his name is Rick Boss and he is making
Speaker 1: a film right now about Tupac's escape, not to Cuba,
Speaker 1: not to Malaysia, but in fact to New Mexico. He
Speaker 1: claims that Tupac is Skate University Medical Center and went
Speaker 1: of New Mexico to live amongst the Navajo tribe, so
Speaker 1: he didn't go that far. So first of all, my
Speaker 1: guess is, I mean, I don't know the Navajo tribe
Speaker 1: very well. But my guess is, much like any other
Speaker 1: culture and any other group of people, it's always a
Speaker 1: snitch in the group, ye at least one. So my
Speaker 1: guess is somebody would have came out like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: you know with us, we don't know you, you know,
Speaker 1: just get to fly in and like make yourself at home,
Speaker 1: Like you can't come to the picnic? What's up? R No,
Speaker 1: that's up about that don't make sense. Also, it feels
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna run, you know, he was in
Speaker 1: Vegas at the time, that's like what three hundred miles,
Speaker 1: four hundred miles, maybe it's in New Mexico. It feels
Speaker 1: like you want to get a little bit further away,
Speaker 1: uh then New Mexico. I I totally agree. And I
Speaker 1: think the claim that Rick Boss makes is that Tupac
Speaker 1: is able to sort of find protect because of like
Speaker 1: the government laws about like treading on Navajo land, right,
Speaker 1: that in theory they are able to protect him better
Speaker 1: than anyone else within the borders of the United States.
Speaker 1: Where I take issue with this is that white people
Speaker 1: have stolen and done things on that land that's protected
Speaker 1: for centuries. They're not tripping off of the idea of
Speaker 1: going to arrest someone on your land just because it's Navajo.
Speaker 1: They do it all the time exactly. Yeah, I agree you.
Speaker 1: But the Navajos, I will say, like, the Navajos are
Speaker 1: known to be some bad motherfucker's. They were warriors. They
Speaker 1: were warriors. Uh, they also have thug life written on
Speaker 1: their belly. Yeah. I don't know about that. Woman. I
Speaker 1: feel like that was a little too um, it's just
Speaker 1: too close. It feel like you gotta go. Well. My
Speaker 1: favorite part of this Rick Boss movie, because it's not
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, this is not a documentary.
Speaker 1: Who is playing who? Thank you so much for asking that,
Speaker 1: because this is in fact my favorite part to POC
Speaker 1: is being played by a Mexican man named Richard Garcia.
Speaker 1: And let me when I say Mexican, I don't mean
Speaker 1: a black Mexican. I mean a very Mexican man who
Speaker 1: vaguely looks like a Mexican Tupac is playing the role
Speaker 1: of Tupac in Brick Boss's film. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Is this? Okay? Let me ask you. This is this
Speaker 1: complexion the same as pox? It is not. It is
Speaker 1: closer to mind, which, uh, I assure you is not
Speaker 1: at all mistakable for Tupac in any way. I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: There's a substantial difference between my skin color and tupax
Speaker 1: in color. How did they do this? Cassie bro was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Was it an open casting called? Is
Speaker 1: it Rick Boss's cousin? Like? What's going on here? This
Speaker 1: makes no sense. They have to be related somehow. But
Speaker 1: my favorite part of all of this is that when
Speaker 1: asked whether or not he personally believes in the conspiracy,
Speaker 1: Richard Garcia responded, nah, he gone, And that was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like listen, Rick Boss spades me. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has so much to pull from. Uh. In his
Speaker 1: research on the character at least what he's been doing
Speaker 1: since ninety six, ninety seven, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: even though he believes he's gone, I feel like I
Speaker 1: missed to see where that's gonna go. It's a fascinating
Speaker 1: journey to see this man make a feature length film
Speaker 1: that nobody is going to buy into, and even including
Speaker 1: his fucking main actor. But come on, man, like, let's
Speaker 1: just talk about this for one quick second. Are we
Speaker 1: saying that this is an imagination, as like what would
Speaker 1: happen if Park was alive and that's where he went?
Speaker 1: Rick Boss saying that Park went to a Navajo reservation.
Speaker 1: He is saying he knows for a fact through his
Speaker 1: Connec actions to apparently he knows Snoop Doggs somehow and
Speaker 1: knows like members of Tupac's family. He says that he
Speaker 1: spoke to them and they have assured him that Tupac
Speaker 1: is in New Mexico being protected by the Navajo nation.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't. I feel like fantis
Speaker 1: Or is not gonna sign awfulness. Like something just makes
Speaker 1: me think that, like the thinker that she is, she's
Speaker 1: not gonna sign off on this. She just feels that
Speaker 1: something feels a little off. Feels like she wasn't consoled.
Speaker 1: You mean that reasonable black lady who lost her son
Speaker 1: isn't gonna like follow the dude who hires a Mexican
Speaker 1: man to play him in a film? That makes sense? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 1: So there are other theories that I think, uh, we
Speaker 1: should unpack and really talk about. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the sevenths theory in relation to Tupac? Okay, this
Speaker 1: is exciting because if you liked Rick Bosses film, you're
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy the seventh theory. The seventh theory argues that
Speaker 1: the reoccurring of the number seven in Tupac's life is
Speaker 1: proof of him being still alive. Number one, he was
Speaker 1: shot on September seven. That's the first thing that people
Speaker 1: point to. He was shot on September seven. He technically died,
Speaker 1: although they say he died six days later. If you
Speaker 1: count the day that he was shot, which was eleven
Speaker 1: fifteen PM, and you count that as a singular day,
Speaker 1: he died on the seventh day after in his hospitalization.
Speaker 1: Then he was pronounced dead at four oh three pm.
Speaker 1: Four plus three equals seven. And finally, and this is
Speaker 1: my favorite one, Tupac's birthday is on the sixteenth one
Speaker 1: plus six equals seven, and if you add that all up,
Speaker 1: Tupac somehow is still alive. Because seven somebody should be
Speaker 1: playing dice number one? What all he said? Seven number two?
Speaker 1: Who took the time to do all the masks to
Speaker 1: put all these sevens together? And what if you have
Speaker 1: sevens in your life and you're not pack? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Do you somebody test the theory out? Like
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Right? I think you're asking
Speaker 1: a very important question that I'm sure they didn't consider
Speaker 1: when they were adding all this ship up. They were like,
Speaker 1: all right, I see a lot of sevens. That means
Speaker 1: he's alive. And it's like, yeah, but many people have
Speaker 1: a lot of sevens in their lives. What are you doing? Also,
Speaker 1: it's a stretch to get to them sevens too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like like three of them sevens were stretched right, literally,
Speaker 1: besides the first one, they're all just some ship. You're
Speaker 1: really pulling hard for people, I think, to your earlier point,
Speaker 1: were very desperate for Tupac to still be alive, and
Speaker 1: they were willing to pull and pick wherever they could
Speaker 1: to try to make sense of this whole thing. Who
Speaker 1: came up with that? Was that somebody? I hope not,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I want the best for us,
Speaker 1: So I'm muna say, nah, it was a white man
Speaker 1: and evil white man who came up with that. But
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no clue. We'll be
Speaker 1: looking for sevens all day long. Now it's ten forty seven, right,
Speaker 1: Tupacket lives. It's ten forty seven a m right now,
Speaker 1: I was born on December WHOA Your T shirt has
Speaker 1: eight six seven in the first three number's right? Talk
Speaker 1: that talk, You know what I'm saying. So when you
Speaker 1: put it all together, it just adds to the seventh
Speaker 1: theory seven seventh theory that pocket is alive. I like
Speaker 1: what you did right there? Seven alady seven stu motherfuck Yeah.
Speaker 1: They don't know nothing about that. He's been fars you idiots.
Speaker 1: Tupacket live. Look at all these sevens everywhere. Okay. So
Speaker 1: here are some of the arguments that have supported the
Speaker 1: suspicion at two pockets alive in Cuba. In two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: Tretch of Naughty by Nature fame Tretch, during an interview
Speaker 1: where he was asked about Tupac's death. Response by saying
Speaker 1: the last time he saw the man he was in
Speaker 1: Cuba interview. Probably I have to do so. So it's
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. This ain't Tretch at his most
Speaker 1: successful and in popping. I don't wanna. I don't want
Speaker 1: to dig into boy's pockets. But I'm curious if the
Speaker 1: tax returns warrant an interview where you're paid to say
Speaker 1: some crazy sure, just count sit you down. And he's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we're gonna need some hot this year because
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. It's starting to dry up around here.
Speaker 1: These residuals, they they are not covering everything only you
Speaker 1: could earn s Okay. So the other reason, and sort
Speaker 1: of the other lead reason that Cuba is sort of
Speaker 1: picked as a place that Tupac ended up, is because
Speaker 1: the Sida Shakur, godmother of Tupac, was already located in
Speaker 1: Cuba under political asylum. And so the suspicion is that
Speaker 1: Tupac naturally went to a place where he is both
Speaker 1: you know, has a relationship with somebody and somebody who
Speaker 1: already has found protection in you know, a country, and
Speaker 1: so he did the same. And you know, I was
Speaker 1: kicking it there with the sada. No. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope my aunt takes me in anywhere wherever if
Speaker 1: I need to go, I hope my aunt takes me in.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She was in Cuba for
Speaker 1: different reasons, clearly, um, you know when we go back
Speaker 1: and look through the history books. But you know, I
Speaker 1: am very appreciative of her taking in her nephew, uh
Speaker 1: and looking out. Yes, I think that there's a day
Speaker 1: injurious conflation happening here and saying that Tupac's supposed that
Speaker 1: fake death is comparable to this transformative figure in history
Speaker 1: who was accused of murder that she didn't commit and
Speaker 1: had to flee a country. Is not the same as
Speaker 1: a dude who had a weird friendship with a mean
Speaker 1: man who stole money from him. It just sain't I
Speaker 1: don't know that we want to compare the same. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate her for taking them in if that's
Speaker 1: the case, if she did do it, Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: goes to show who she is. Good lady, still a
Speaker 1: good lady. She's a good lady. Alright. So here's the
Speaker 1: now we get into I think the biggest sort of
Speaker 1: like red flag in all of the Tupac theory is
Speaker 1: Suge Knight. Suge Knight is sort of like the the
Speaker 1: guy who makes a lot of this stuff complicated because
Speaker 1: when Tupac was killed, as you know, I assume Suge
Speaker 1: Knight was the only other person in the car with him.
Speaker 1: He gets in the car, which Sugar Night, he in
Speaker 1: fact tells his bodyguard and his girl, Quincy Jonal's daughter
Speaker 1: tells him both to get out the car and go
Speaker 1: in a different car, separate from him and Sugar And
Speaker 1: then all fourteen shots are fired, four of which hit Tupac,
Speaker 1: two in the chest, one of the leg, one of
Speaker 1: the arm, and none hit Suge Night. One grazes his
Speaker 1: head and he claims the bullet is still in the
Speaker 1: skull from the day that Tupac was shot. I will say,
Speaker 1: if you think about his decision, making sure something's been,
Speaker 1: something's been, you know, something a little you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He's behaving like a man who's been shot
Speaker 1: in the head. You know what. Maybe the bullet somewhere,
Speaker 1: it didn't go all the way through. That's clear. You're
Speaker 1: obviously alive and well, but don't you're not as sharp
Speaker 1: as a man without a bullet. This that. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm confused. So pots told Candada and the uh, the
Speaker 1: security guard to get out of the car to get
Speaker 1: another car, or told him. Uh. The suggestion is that
Speaker 1: Tupac did that. And this is the argument at least
Speaker 1: that perhaps Tupac knew that this thing was coming and
Speaker 1: he was going to use this as his chance for escape,
Speaker 1: that this was all sort of stage as a way
Speaker 1: of keeping everyone not only safe but also for him
Speaker 1: to be able to make his grand exit from the
Speaker 1: United States. Hold on, wait a minute, because now you're
Speaker 1: getting into something that that feels like you have a
Speaker 1: Are you about to pitch me a theory? I'm about
Speaker 1: to pitch you. I'm about to pitch you an alternate. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you This is a fun time because
Speaker 1: now we're introducing a fun game I like to play.
Speaker 1: It's called talk that talk. I like to give my
Speaker 1: guests thirty seconds to go down a train to fully
Speaker 1: explain whatever they got in their head. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you thirty seconds. I'm gonna play some music underneath you.
Speaker 1: J Ellis talked that talk all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: So he knows it's coming, but what happens is he
Speaker 1: doesn't get out of the car in time. The hit
Speaker 1: is really meant for Sug because Sug won't give him
Speaker 1: his money right, so he doesn't get out of the
Speaker 1: car in time. He takes the hits. Shug then knows
Speaker 1: that he set it all up, so Sugar now is
Speaker 1: coming after Pot. So as soon as Pot gets out
Speaker 1: of the hospital, he goes to Navajo Nation with Rick
Speaker 1: Voss on the seventh of October. Oh, there it is,
Speaker 1: j Ellis. Rick Voss was in it the whole time,
Speaker 1: from the day one, from day one. There is something
Speaker 1: fascinating though. If Tupac did in fact tell his security
Speaker 1: guard and his girl to get out of this car,
Speaker 1: there's a real possibility that he knew this hit was
Speaker 1: coming in maybe, by your argument, staged it to handle Shug.
Speaker 1: It didn't work, and then he had to escape because
Speaker 1: he had started to fleece because he started a war.
Speaker 1: So now he had to flee and he called his
Speaker 1: boy Rick Boss, and Rick was like, yo, I got
Speaker 1: a spot for you. That's amazing. They're gonna take you in.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a little lighter than what you are now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we'll get you some bleaching cream,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have we got You're gonna have to really,
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa, this look a little bit, but otherwise we gotta.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it. You're gonna be free. You can
Speaker 1: never leave this reservation, even though you're a multi platinum Listen,
Speaker 1: if you thought being black was bad, we are taking
Speaker 1: you somewhere that's even tougher. But you'll be alive, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe you could come back. Probably know another
Speaker 1: group of people the government has shipped on even more
Speaker 1: than your certainly more effectively than they have black people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, this is the last piece of important information
Speaker 1: for us to unpack before we go to break. The
Speaker 1: last thing that I'll tell you is that, and we
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit earlier, is that Tupac
Speaker 1: spends six days in the hospital and then he supposedly dies.
Speaker 1: Suld Knight claims that he visited Tupac in the hospital
Speaker 1: and at one point was doing fine, was like totally
Speaker 1: up and awake and uh laughing and joking, and then
Speaker 1: at some point took a dip for the worse. Now,
Speaker 1: the day after Tupac dies, his body is cremated. They
Speaker 1: don't give any time in between the death and the
Speaker 1: cremation and the open funeral. The open casket funeral that
Speaker 1: was supposed to happen for Tupac is basically canceled and
Speaker 1: they just like cremate his body. Nobody ever sees the body.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the main arguments that people
Speaker 1: make that because we haven't seen his body, and because
Speaker 1: they made a point of keeping the body secret, that
Speaker 1: he is still alive. All I heard in there was
Speaker 1: Sugar went to see him and he was great, was
Speaker 1: so great. That's all I heard that whole thing. He
Speaker 1: was great when he went down here. That's all I heard.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing else, but that's what I heard
Speaker 1: in that whole theory. I love that, just snitching on himself.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, he was doing good before I
Speaker 1: showed up, and then I don't know, and then I left.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him. So this is
Speaker 1: the even scarier part to your point, is that there
Speaker 1: are suggestions that the person who did the cremation said
Speaker 1: that the body that he cremated was fifty pounds heavier
Speaker 1: and taller than Tupac, was that it basically was just
Speaker 1: a larger man than the person that he was meant
Speaker 1: to be cremating based on like the hospital records. And
Speaker 1: then that man who did the cremation never worked again.
Speaker 1: That's what all the conspiracy theories say, that he was
Speaker 1: not only taken out of the cremation business, but that
Speaker 1: like no one ever heard from him again. So we
Speaker 1: got two people missing. It possibly three because we got
Speaker 1: a body that's been cremated and we don't know the identity,
Speaker 1: and they don't know that man. We don't know where
Speaker 1: pockets and now our cremator is gone and has disappeared
Speaker 1: as well. So we got three missing people in this case.
Speaker 1: And Rick Boss knows where they all are. He can
Speaker 1: tell us. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man. Something about
Speaker 1: that just don't feel right again. Something about that just
Speaker 1: seems a little wit. So we really don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to the cremation guy. According to the weird YouTube
Speaker 1: videos that I watched, No, I don't think that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of tracking of cremation guy. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, I don't know where most cremation guys are,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that that's evidence of anything like
Speaker 1: it's not like I know who cremated anybody, and I've
Speaker 1: certainly not. I haven't been keeping cat on like those
Speaker 1: celebrity cremators. You know what I mean. It's not a
Speaker 1: spreadsheet floating now, air table, air table floating as a
Speaker 1: bus crema article? Which celebrity cremator are you that you
Speaker 1: fill out? You know what I mean? It's no, it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a break and then we'll
Speaker 1: be back with more ja Ellis and more. My mama
Speaker 1: told me that, Yeah, we're back here with more j
Speaker 1: Ellis more. My mama told me. We're still talking about
Speaker 1: what happened at Tupac, the cream A Tour and the
Speaker 1: Cremate t We want to know all of this ship.
Speaker 1: These people are missing and Jazzy Faye, all of them
Speaker 1: are missing, and we want to know where everybody is.
Speaker 1: And we hope they're in New Mexico doing fine, learning
Speaker 1: about the Navajo Nation, everything they've got going on. Jazz
Speaker 1: Faye and Rick Boss is doing an album together, Jesse Fay.
Speaker 1: I'd love that. Oh man, if Jazz and link up
Speaker 1: and do a lap, that'd be beautiful. Jazz fa gonna
Speaker 1: do the score for the movie. Oh if jazz face
Speaker 1: is on the score and it's just my goodies playing
Speaker 1: underneath like the murder. I love that so much. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a game. This is a fun game
Speaker 1: that I like to call white lies ugly. You're disgusting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies. This
Speaker 1: is a fun game where I am going to introduce
Speaker 1: to you a traditional white conspiracy theory, one that is
Speaker 1: widely supported in the white community, and I would like
Speaker 1: for you to take the time to unpack why you
Speaker 1: think this conspiracy theory is so important to white people.
Speaker 1: What are those sneaky motherfucker's up to? You? Got it?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? Okay, So apparently white people for years have
Speaker 1: been arguing that LSD, the drug l s D was
Speaker 1: invented by the government specifically as some version of mind
Speaker 1: control or some version of manipulation of the population, and
Speaker 1: it was tested on soldiers. That's the argument that it
Speaker 1: was tested on soldiers. And one of the bigger conspiracies
Speaker 1: that comes out of that is that John Lennon of
Speaker 1: the Beatles is murdered because of his knowledge about where
Speaker 1: l s D came from, and he started talking too
Speaker 1: much like he started being too hot on the microphones
Speaker 1: about l s D and so they get a guide
Speaker 1: it to take him out. Why do you think, j
Speaker 1: ellis that white people believe in this conspiracy about l
Speaker 1: s D because they don't want to believe that government
Speaker 1: is corrupted and actually created the entire drug problem, that
Speaker 1: actually drugs came from the government and have been widely
Speaker 1: supported and financed by the government. Uh, that's the only
Speaker 1: thing I can think of, man, because you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to believe your stars and bars is the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is them just fully like being made awake for
Speaker 1: the first time to like they're like seeing something that
Speaker 1: that otherwise has been pretty blatantly clear in and in heroin,
Speaker 1: in coke and we whatever it is, it's been blatant
Speaker 1: and everything else. But LD is where they woke up, right.
Speaker 1: I like that for some reason, Maybe it's like after
Speaker 1: they took a hit, you know what I'm saying, after
Speaker 1: they took a tab, they had a moment where they
Speaker 1: just all they saw it. All the pieces kind of
Speaker 1: just came together for them in this beautiful like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a van Go painting, like a
Speaker 1: like a starry night or something. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: All the colors just started bleeding together and they were
Speaker 1: like Uncle Sam gave me that. I of that, that
Speaker 1: this is the first time where like it just felt
Speaker 1: beautiful that like, oh ship, oh this is the government.
Speaker 1: Oh this isn't that different between crack cocaine and everything
Speaker 1: else that they do in different communities. Okay, But but
Speaker 1: I do love the idea too that it's like there's
Speaker 1: some mind control element to it, because I feel like
Speaker 1: that's also a huge part of it. Is like if
Speaker 1: it was just a drug that like the government had
Speaker 1: put out in the world, I don't think they would
Speaker 1: support it. But I think the mind control piece of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the tea party love at
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it feels like the
Speaker 1: government is trying to take your rights from you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Big brother is watching you that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: whole well, that's that's yeah. I think you're getting into
Speaker 1: something that's really important with white people is that they,
Speaker 1: like all people don't like being controlled, but they especially
Speaker 1: have not been controlled, at least in terms of like
Speaker 1: the traditional ways that we look at control in in
Speaker 1: the world and politics, and so even the premise of
Speaker 1: somebody coming in and taking advantage of them or controlling
Speaker 1: their choices feels like a criminal conspiracy theory that they
Speaker 1: need to unpack when in fact, you probably were just
Speaker 1: getting high with your friends and uh, losing control of
Speaker 1: your own body. And if there wasn't so high, they'd
Speaker 1: probably grabbed their guns and go storm a capital like
Speaker 1: like they did in Michigan and everywhere. Right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But they would trip into the figure. Honestly,
Speaker 1: these drugs have been huge for race relations, and if
Speaker 1: in fact the government did invent them, I hope they
Speaker 1: keep inventing more drugs. I hope you can invent all
Speaker 1: the mind controlled drugs that keep white people more, you know,
Speaker 1: as timid as they need to be to keep us
Speaker 1: from being attacked and murdered for their pleasure. Well, I
Speaker 1: think we did it. I think we nailed it. I
Speaker 1: think that that was perfect. J Elis, can you tell
Speaker 1: everybody where they can find you? Cool ship you have
Speaker 1: going on? Oh yo, man, socialists, you can find me
Speaker 1: at j R L S J A y R E
Speaker 1: Uh Uh cool shit. Uh nah no, Uh Insecure on HBO,
Speaker 1: Top Gun next summer, Mrs America on FX Hulu. Uh
Speaker 1: the Untold Story Policing, Uh wherever you podcast. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of cool ship. He's a cool dude. One more
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