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Speaker 1: the greatest rapper of all time. That's just gonna be

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Speaker 1: a dude whilom trash ass opinions about like women, respectability, politics,

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Speaker 1: Now we're looking at his stuff all through the lens

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Speaker 1: of you know whatever, that year, even though today we're

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Speaker 1: looking at it all through the lens of twenty. We're like,

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Speaker 1: bro harpy about you, Harby, gonna share all if you don't, yeh,

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Speaker 1: shut up, man, You're weird, your jeans are too big,

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Speaker 1: and you're making me uncomfortable with your thoughts. Chips in

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Speaker 1: your nails. Man racist also most money materney stuff you

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Speaker 1: can't tell me. Yeah, there it is. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: to another A magnificent, a devastating, a spectacular episode of

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Speaker 1: My Mama Told Me, The podcast where we died deep deep,

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Speaker 1: super deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and

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Speaker 1: we finally figure out where the government is hiding. Jazz Faye,

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Speaker 1: Where's jazz government. We know you got him. Fuck Carmen

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Speaker 1: San Diego. Show me where Jazz Faye is. Where in

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Speaker 1: the world is jazz fake ladies, ladies, ladies and gentle lazy.

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Speaker 1: I need to know where jasse By is. He didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything to anybody. The man's probably he probably did.

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Speaker 1: I haven't likely. I haven't been doing my jazz favor research.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he got canceled at some point along the way,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't know. This is exciting. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Lankston Kerman. As always, I was thinking about this the

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Speaker 1: theory podcast where we say the word nigga and it's

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Speaker 1: not coming from a place of hate. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Every other conspiracy theory podcast they call

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Speaker 1: My dad hates that I say be in words so much,

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Speaker 1: But you know who doesn't hate that I say the

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Speaker 1: he's hilarious. He's an amazing actor, Champion of champions. You

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Speaker 1: know him from Insecure, you know him from Mrs America,

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Speaker 1: you know him from his podcast The Untold Story Policing.

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Speaker 1: He's the best. Give it up for my guest today,

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Speaker 1: Mr j ellis over our Koala bearers racist for real.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I heard that whispering there. I

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Speaker 1: heard that whispering there. Uh, you know what it is.

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Speaker 1: They're from Australia, and I feel like almost everybody in

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Speaker 1: Oh I won't hold a quala bear ever, now, yeah

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't. They're also filled with diseases. There's like a

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Speaker 1: specifically they hold out. Now, you don't get it today,

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Speaker 1: you don't get it. You don't get it. The Koala

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Speaker 1: bears love the paper bag test. They can't get enough

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Speaker 1: of it. How are you? I'm good, bro, How you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, it's a good day. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you're here. You brought to us a conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 1: first conspiracy theory I ever subscribe to. That like I

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Speaker 1: If that you said, And I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: tupockets alive and hiding in Cuba. Yeah, she got it

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Speaker 1: because the Inquirer said it. Sure, Why would the National

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Speaker 1: fascinating thing because I remember specifically hearing that Tupac had

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Speaker 1: I could think of who looked at me sideways like yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: what you mean like of course he in Cuba. Like

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Speaker 1: and like he just kicking it, making music with you

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like you don't get

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Speaker 1: I guess. But so apparently Sugar Nights Sun in twenty

425
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: nineteen Jacob Night, which how dare you name your son

426
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: Jacob when your name is sugar Man. I know it's

427
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: not your birthday, but you gotta come up with something

428
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: better than Jacob. Came up with something better than that.

429
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: Pep Pep pepper, Come on now, but so uh, Sugar

430
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: Knight's son, Jacob Knight claims and posted it on Instagram.

431
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: He had an ig video where he claims to have

432
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: met up with Tupac in Malaysia in like this busted

433
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: ass apartment where he's just basically like hanging out with him,

434
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: and he has like all these videos of what it's

435
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: supposed to be Tupac, and it's just this black dude

436
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: much like what we talked about from a distance, with

437
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: the mustache and the beard bald. He had the bandanna

438
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: tied up because apparently Tupac hasn't changed his look in

439
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: thirty years. But he's sitting bandana for thirty years ago?

440
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: Or did he like getting new bandannas in Malaysia. I

441
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: want to believe it's the same one. I want to

442
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: think it's his lucky bandanna and he's just been wearing

443
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: it for thirty years. But he's sitting in an apartment

444
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: and Jacob keeps going what up, Pop? How you doing? Park?

445
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: What's going on? Parc? And the dude who's supposed to

446
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 1: be a Tupac won't say anything. He just like he's

447
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: staring back at the camera, unresponsive. Do we know if

448
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: there's been any substance abuse issues? Uh? In the Night Family.

449
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: I have to assume, so I know I'm not judging it.

450
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: I want everybody to get help. I just would like

451
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: sorry if that aided in the conversation with Pop. I

452
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: think what was happening was at the exact same time,

453
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: Jacob Knight was dropping a documentary about his relationship with

454
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: his father, who was then and currently is in jail.

455
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: Uh And I think that he was using this as

456
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: potential press for the release of that documentary, because I

457
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of interviews where he basically went on

458
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: news shows and they were like, so was it really

459
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: Tupac and be like, you have to watch my documentary

460
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: to find out, and it's like, shoe ass out here?

461
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: Did you watch the doc I did not. I couldn't

462
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: bring myself to give Jacob Night my money. It doesn't

463
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: feel like it's going to a good place. Okay, So

464
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: here's my favorite of the other alternative places where Tupac

465
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: is supposed to have gone. My favorite is there's actually

466
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: a current film being made by a guy named Rick Boss.

467
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Have you heard of Rick Boss. He's not at all

468
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: related to Rick Ross. They're not they're not cousins. It's

469
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: not he's not from Miami. He's not like plus size.

470
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: He is plus sized. That part because he's plus sized,

471
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: and he has breathing problems much like a Rick Ross.

472
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: But his name is Rick Boss and he is making

473
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: a film right now about Tupac's escape, not to Cuba,

474
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: not to Malaysia, but in fact to New Mexico. He

475
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: claims that Tupac is Skate University Medical Center and went

476
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: of New Mexico to live amongst the Navajo tribe, so

477
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: he didn't go that far. So first of all, my

478
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: guess is, I mean, I don't know the Navajo tribe

479
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: very well. But my guess is, much like any other

480
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: culture and any other group of people, it's always a

481
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: snitch in the group, ye at least one. So my

482
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: guess is somebody would have came out like, hey, bro,

483
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: you know with us, we don't know you, you know,

484
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: just get to fly in and like make yourself at home,

485
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: Like you can't come to the picnic? What's up? R No,

486
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: that's up about that don't make sense. Also, it feels

487
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna run, you know, he was in

488
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: Vegas at the time, that's like what three hundred miles,

489
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: four hundred miles, maybe it's in New Mexico. It feels

490
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: like you want to get a little bit further away,

491
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: uh then New Mexico. I I totally agree. And I

492
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: think the claim that Rick Boss makes is that Tupac

493
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: is able to sort of find protect because of like

494
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the government laws about like treading on Navajo land, right,

495
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: that in theory they are able to protect him better

496
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: than anyone else within the borders of the United States.

497
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: Where I take issue with this is that white people

498
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: have stolen and done things on that land that's protected

499
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: for centuries. They're not tripping off of the idea of

500
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: going to arrest someone on your land just because it's Navajo.

501
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: They do it all the time exactly. Yeah, I agree you.

502
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: But the Navajos, I will say, like, the Navajos are

503
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: known to be some bad motherfucker's. They were warriors. They

504
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: were warriors. Uh, they also have thug life written on

505
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: their belly. Yeah. I don't know about that. Woman. I

506
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: feel like that was a little too um, it's just

507
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: too close. It feel like you gotta go. Well. My

508
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: favorite part of this Rick Boss movie, because it's not

509
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, this is not a documentary.

510
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Who is playing who? Thank you so much for asking that,

511
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: because this is in fact my favorite part to POC

512
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: is being played by a Mexican man named Richard Garcia.

513
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: And let me when I say Mexican, I don't mean

514
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: a black Mexican. I mean a very Mexican man who

515
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: vaguely looks like a Mexican Tupac is playing the role

516
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: of Tupac in Brick Boss's film. What are you talking about?

517
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Is this? Okay? Let me ask you. This is this

518
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: complexion the same as pox? It is not. It is

519
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: closer to mind, which, uh, I assure you is not

520
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: at all mistakable for Tupac in any way. I'm so confused.

521
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: There's a substantial difference between my skin color and tupax

522
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: in color. How did they do this? Cassie bro was like,

523
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Was it an open casting called? Is

524
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: it Rick Boss's cousin? Like? What's going on here? This

525
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: makes no sense. They have to be related somehow. But

526
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: my favorite part of all of this is that when

527
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: asked whether or not he personally believes in the conspiracy,

528
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: Richard Garcia responded, nah, he gone, And that was like, yeah,

529
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: he's like listen, Rick Boss spades me. I'm a big fan. Yeah,

530
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: he has so much to pull from. Uh. In his

531
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: research on the character at least what he's been doing

532
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: since ninety six, ninety seven, you know what I mean,

533
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: even though he believes he's gone, I feel like I

534
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: missed to see where that's gonna go. It's a fascinating

535
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: journey to see this man make a feature length film

536
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: that nobody is going to buy into, and even including

537
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: his fucking main actor. But come on, man, like, let's

538
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: just talk about this for one quick second. Are we

539
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: saying that this is an imagination, as like what would

540
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: happen if Park was alive and that's where he went?

541
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Rick Boss saying that Park went to a Navajo reservation.

542
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: He is saying he knows for a fact through his

543
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: Connec actions to apparently he knows Snoop Doggs somehow and

544
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: knows like members of Tupac's family. He says that he

545
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: spoke to them and they have assured him that Tupac

546
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: is in New Mexico being protected by the Navajo nation.

547
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't. I feel like fantis

548
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: Or is not gonna sign awfulness. Like something just makes

549
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: me think that, like the thinker that she is, she's

550
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: not gonna sign off on this. She just feels that

551
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: something feels a little off. Feels like she wasn't consoled.

552
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: You mean that reasonable black lady who lost her son

553
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: isn't gonna like follow the dude who hires a Mexican

554
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: man to play him in a film? That makes sense? Yeah? Right,

555
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: So there are other theories that I think, uh, we

556
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: should unpack and really talk about. Have you ever heard

557
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: of the sevenths theory in relation to Tupac? Okay, this

558
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: is exciting because if you liked Rick Bosses film, you're

559
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy the seventh theory. The seventh theory argues that

560
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: the reoccurring of the number seven in Tupac's life is

561
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: proof of him being still alive. Number one, he was

562
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: shot on September seven. That's the first thing that people

563
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: point to. He was shot on September seven. He technically died,

564
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: although they say he died six days later. If you

565
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: count the day that he was shot, which was eleven

566
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: fifteen PM, and you count that as a singular day,

567
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: he died on the seventh day after in his hospitalization.

568
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Then he was pronounced dead at four oh three pm.

569
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: Four plus three equals seven. And finally, and this is

570
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: my favorite one, Tupac's birthday is on the sixteenth one

571
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: plus six equals seven, and if you add that all up,

572
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Tupac somehow is still alive. Because seven somebody should be

573
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: playing dice number one? What all he said? Seven number two?

574
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Who took the time to do all the masks to

575
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: put all these sevens together? And what if you have

576
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: sevens in your life and you're not pack? What does

577
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: that mean? Do you somebody test the theory out? Like

578
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Right? I think you're asking

579
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: a very important question that I'm sure they didn't consider

580
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: when they were adding all this ship up. They were like,

581
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: all right, I see a lot of sevens. That means

582
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: he's alive. And it's like, yeah, but many people have

583
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot of sevens in their lives. What are you doing? Also,

584
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: it's a stretch to get to them sevens too. Yeah,

585
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: it's not like like three of them sevens were stretched right, literally,

586
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: besides the first one, they're all just some ship. You're

587
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: really pulling hard for people, I think, to your earlier point,

588
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: were very desperate for Tupac to still be alive, and

589
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: they were willing to pull and pick wherever they could

590
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: to try to make sense of this whole thing. Who

591
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: came up with that? Was that somebody? I hope not,

592
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I want the best for us,

593
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: So I'm muna say, nah, it was a white man

594
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: and evil white man who came up with that. But

595
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no clue. We'll be

596
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: looking for sevens all day long. Now it's ten forty seven, right,

597
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Tupacket lives. It's ten forty seven a m right now,

598
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: I was born on December WHOA Your T shirt has

599
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: eight six seven in the first three number's right? Talk

600
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: that talk, You know what I'm saying. So when you

601
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: put it all together, it just adds to the seventh

602
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: theory seven seventh theory that pocket is alive. I like

603
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: what you did right there? Seven alady seven stu motherfuck Yeah.

604
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: They don't know nothing about that. He's been fars you idiots.

605
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Tupacket live. Look at all these sevens everywhere. Okay. So

606
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: here are some of the arguments that have supported the

607
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: suspicion at two pockets alive in Cuba. In two thousand ten,

608
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Tretch of Naughty by Nature fame Tretch, during an interview

609
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: where he was asked about Tupac's death. Response by saying

610
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: the last time he saw the man he was in

611
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: Cuba interview. Probably I have to do so. So it's

612
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. This ain't Tretch at his most

613
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: successful and in popping. I don't wanna. I don't want

614
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: to dig into boy's pockets. But I'm curious if the

615
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: tax returns warrant an interview where you're paid to say

616
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: some crazy sure, just count sit you down. And he's like,

617
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: hey man, we're gonna need some hot this year because

618
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. It's starting to dry up around here.

619
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: These residuals, they they are not covering everything only you

620
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: could earn s Okay. So the other reason, and sort

621
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: of the other lead reason that Cuba is sort of

622
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: picked as a place that Tupac ended up, is because

623
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: the Sida Shakur, godmother of Tupac, was already located in

624
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: Cuba under political asylum. And so the suspicion is that

625
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: Tupac naturally went to a place where he is both

626
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, has a relationship with somebody and somebody who

627
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: already has found protection in you know, a country, and

628
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: so he did the same. And you know, I was

629
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: kicking it there with the sada. No. I mean, you know,

630
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: I hope my aunt takes me in anywhere wherever if

631
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: I need to go, I hope my aunt takes me in.

632
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She was in Cuba for

633
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: different reasons, clearly, um, you know when we go back

634
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: and look through the history books. But you know, I

635
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: am very appreciative of her taking in her nephew, uh

636
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: and looking out. Yes, I think that there's a day

637
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: injurious conflation happening here and saying that Tupac's supposed that

638
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: fake death is comparable to this transformative figure in history

639
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: who was accused of murder that she didn't commit and

640
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: had to flee a country. Is not the same as

641
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: a dude who had a weird friendship with a mean

642
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: man who stole money from him. It just sain't I

643
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know that we want to compare the same. Yeah, okay,

644
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: but I appreciate her for taking them in if that's

645
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: the case, if she did do it, Yeah, it just

646
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: goes to show who she is. Good lady, still a

647
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: good lady. She's a good lady. Alright. So here's the

648
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: now we get into I think the biggest sort of

649
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: like red flag in all of the Tupac theory is

650
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Suge Knight. Suge Knight is sort of like the the

651
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: guy who makes a lot of this stuff complicated because

652
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: when Tupac was killed, as you know, I assume Suge

653
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Knight was the only other person in the car with him.

654
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: He gets in the car, which Sugar Night, he in

655
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: fact tells his bodyguard and his girl, Quincy Jonal's daughter

656
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: tells him both to get out the car and go

657
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: in a different car, separate from him and Sugar And

658
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: then all fourteen shots are fired, four of which hit Tupac,

659
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: two in the chest, one of the leg, one of

660
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: the arm, and none hit Suge Night. One grazes his

661
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: head and he claims the bullet is still in the

662
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: skull from the day that Tupac was shot. I will say,

663
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: if you think about his decision, making sure something's been,

664
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: something's been, you know, something a little you know what

665
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, He's behaving like a man who's been shot

666
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: in the head. You know what. Maybe the bullet somewhere,

667
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: it didn't go all the way through. That's clear. You're

668
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: obviously alive and well, but don't you're not as sharp

669
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: as a man without a bullet. This that. Yeah, So

670
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm confused. So pots told Candada and the uh, the

671
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: security guard to get out of the car to get

672
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: another car, or told him. Uh. The suggestion is that

673
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Tupac did that. And this is the argument at least

674
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: that perhaps Tupac knew that this thing was coming and

675
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: he was going to use this as his chance for escape,

676
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: that this was all sort of stage as a way

677
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: of keeping everyone not only safe but also for him

678
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: to be able to make his grand exit from the

679
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: United States. Hold on, wait a minute, because now you're

680
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: getting into something that that feels like you have a

681
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: Are you about to pitch me a theory? I'm about

682
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: to pitch you. I'm about to pitch you an alternate. Okay,

683
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you This is a fun time because

684
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: now we're introducing a fun game I like to play.

685
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: It's called talk that talk. I like to give my

686
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: guests thirty seconds to go down a train to fully

687
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: explain whatever they got in their head. I'm gonna give

688
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: you thirty seconds. I'm gonna play some music underneath you.

689
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: J Ellis talked that talk all right, here we go.

690
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: So he knows it's coming, but what happens is he

691
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: doesn't get out of the car in time. The hit

692
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: is really meant for Sug because Sug won't give him

693
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: his money right, so he doesn't get out of the

694
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: car in time. He takes the hits. Shug then knows

695
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: that he set it all up, so Sugar now is

696
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: coming after Pot. So as soon as Pot gets out

697
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: of the hospital, he goes to Navajo Nation with Rick

698
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Voss on the seventh of October. Oh, there it is,

699
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: j Ellis. Rick Voss was in it the whole time,

700
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: from the day one, from day one. There is something

701
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: fascinating though. If Tupac did in fact tell his security

702
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: guard and his girl to get out of this car,

703
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: there's a real possibility that he knew this hit was

704
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: coming in maybe, by your argument, staged it to handle Shug.

705
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: It didn't work, and then he had to escape because

706
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: he had started to fleece because he started a war.

707
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: So now he had to flee and he called his

708
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: boy Rick Boss, and Rick was like, yo, I got

709
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: a spot for you. That's amazing. They're gonna take you in.

710
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a little lighter than what you are now.

711
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we'll get you some bleaching cream,

712
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have we got You're gonna have to really,

713
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa, this look a little bit, but otherwise we gotta.

714
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it. You're gonna be free. You can

715
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: never leave this reservation, even though you're a multi platinum Listen,

716
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: if you thought being black was bad, we are taking

717
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: you somewhere that's even tougher. But you'll be alive, and

718
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe you could come back. Probably know another

719
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: group of people the government has shipped on even more

720
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: than your certainly more effectively than they have black people. Yeah,

721
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: all right, this is the last piece of important information

722
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: for us to unpack before we go to break. The

723
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: last thing that I'll tell you is that, and we

724
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit earlier, is that Tupac

725
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: spends six days in the hospital and then he supposedly dies.

726
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Suld Knight claims that he visited Tupac in the hospital

727
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: and at one point was doing fine, was like totally

728
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: up and awake and uh laughing and joking, and then

729
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: at some point took a dip for the worse. Now,

730
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: the day after Tupac dies, his body is cremated. They

731
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: don't give any time in between the death and the

732
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: cremation and the open funeral. The open casket funeral that

733
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: was supposed to happen for Tupac is basically canceled and

734
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: they just like cremate his body. Nobody ever sees the body.

735
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: And this is one of the main arguments that people

736
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: make that because we haven't seen his body, and because

737
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: they made a point of keeping the body secret, that

738
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: he is still alive. All I heard in there was

739
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Sugar went to see him and he was great, was

740
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: so great. That's all I heard that whole thing. He

741
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: was great when he went down here. That's all I heard.

742
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing else, but that's what I heard

743
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: in that whole theory. I love that, just snitching on himself.

744
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: He was like, no, he was doing good before I

745
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: showed up, and then I don't know, and then I left.

746
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him. So this is

747
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: the even scarier part to your point, is that there

748
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: are suggestions that the person who did the cremation said

749
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: that the body that he cremated was fifty pounds heavier

750
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: and taller than Tupac, was that it basically was just

751
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: a larger man than the person that he was meant

752
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: to be cremating based on like the hospital records. And

753
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: then that man who did the cremation never worked again.

754
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: That's what all the conspiracy theories say, that he was

755
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: not only taken out of the cremation business, but that

756
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: like no one ever heard from him again. So we

757
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: got two people missing. It possibly three because we got

758
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: a body that's been cremated and we don't know the identity,

759
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: and they don't know that man. We don't know where

760
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: pockets and now our cremator is gone and has disappeared

761
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: as well. So we got three missing people in this case.

762
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: And Rick Boss knows where they all are. He can

763
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: tell us. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man. Something about

764
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: that just don't feel right again. Something about that just

765
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: seems a little wit. So we really don't know what

766
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: happened to the cremation guy. According to the weird YouTube

767
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: videos that I watched, No, I don't think that there's

768
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot of tracking of cremation guy. But I will

769
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: say this, I don't know where most cremation guys are,

770
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: so I don't know that that's evidence of anything like

771
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: it's not like I know who cremated anybody, and I've

772
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: certainly not. I haven't been keeping cat on like those

773
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: celebrity cremators. You know what I mean. It's not a

774
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: spreadsheet floating now, air table, air table floating as a

775
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: bus crema article? Which celebrity cremator are you that you

776
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: fill out? You know what I mean? It's no, it's bullshit.

777
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a break and then we'll

778
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: be back with more ja Ellis and more. My mama

779
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: told me that, Yeah, we're back here with more j

780
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Ellis more. My mama told me. We're still talking about

781
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: what happened at Tupac, the cream A Tour and the

782
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: Cremate t We want to know all of this ship.

783
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: These people are missing and Jazzy Faye, all of them

784
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: are missing, and we want to know where everybody is.

785
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: And we hope they're in New Mexico doing fine, learning

786
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: about the Navajo Nation, everything they've got going on. Jazz

787
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Faye and Rick Boss is doing an album together, Jesse Fay.

788
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I'd love that. Oh man, if Jazz and link up

789
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: and do a lap, that'd be beautiful. Jazz fa gonna

790
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: do the score for the movie. Oh if jazz face

791
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: is on the score and it's just my goodies playing

792
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: underneath like the murder. I love that so much. All Right,

793
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a game. This is a fun game

794
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: that I like to call white lies ugly. You're disgusting.

795
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies. This

796
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: is a fun game where I am going to introduce

797
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: to you a traditional white conspiracy theory, one that is

798
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: widely supported in the white community, and I would like

799
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: for you to take the time to unpack why you

800
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: think this conspiracy theory is so important to white people.

801
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: What are those sneaky motherfucker's up to? You? Got it?

802
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? Okay, So apparently white people for years have

803
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: been arguing that LSD, the drug l s D was

804
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: invented by the government specifically as some version of mind

805
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: control or some version of manipulation of the population, and

806
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: it was tested on soldiers. That's the argument that it

807
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: was tested on soldiers. And one of the bigger conspiracies

808
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: that comes out of that is that John Lennon of

809
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: the Beatles is murdered because of his knowledge about where

810
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: l s D came from, and he started talking too

811
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: much like he started being too hot on the microphones

812
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: about l s D and so they get a guide

813
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: it to take him out. Why do you think, j

814
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: ellis that white people believe in this conspiracy about l

815
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: s D because they don't want to believe that government

816
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: is corrupted and actually created the entire drug problem, that

817
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: actually drugs came from the government and have been widely

818
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: supported and financed by the government. Uh, that's the only

819
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: thing I can think of, man, because you know, you

820
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: don't want to believe your stars and bars is the problem. Yeah,

821
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: this is them just fully like being made awake for

822
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: the first time to like they're like seeing something that

823
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: that otherwise has been pretty blatantly clear in and in heroin,

824
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: in coke and we whatever it is, it's been blatant

825
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: and everything else. But LD is where they woke up, right.

826
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: I like that for some reason, Maybe it's like after

827
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: they took a hit, you know what I'm saying, after

828
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: they took a tab, they had a moment where they

829
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: just all they saw it. All the pieces kind of

830
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: just came together for them in this beautiful like you know,

831
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a van Go painting, like a

832
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: like a starry night or something. You know what I'm saying.

833
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: All the colors just started bleeding together and they were

834
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: like Uncle Sam gave me that. I of that, that

835
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: this is the first time where like it just felt

836
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: beautiful that like, oh ship, oh this is the government.

837
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Oh this isn't that different between crack cocaine and everything

838
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: else that they do in different communities. Okay, But but

839
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I do love the idea too that it's like there's

840
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: some mind control element to it, because I feel like

841
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: that's also a huge part of it. Is like if

842
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: it was just a drug that like the government had

843
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: put out in the world, I don't think they would

844
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: support it. But I think the mind control piece of it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the tea party love at

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it feels like the

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Speaker 1: government is trying to take your rights from you. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Big brother is watching you that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I feel like that's a

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Speaker 1: whole well, that's that's yeah. I think you're getting into

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Speaker 1: something that's really important with white people is that they,

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Speaker 1: like all people don't like being controlled, but they especially

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Speaker 1: have not been controlled, at least in terms of like

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Speaker 1: the traditional ways that we look at control in in

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Speaker 1: the world and politics, and so even the premise of

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Speaker 1: somebody coming in and taking advantage of them or controlling

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Speaker 1: their choices feels like a criminal conspiracy theory that they

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Speaker 1: need to unpack when in fact, you probably were just

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Speaker 1: getting high with your friends and uh, losing control of

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Speaker 1: your own body. And if there wasn't so high, they'd

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Speaker 1: probably grabbed their guns and go storm a capital like

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Speaker 1: like they did in Michigan and everywhere. Right, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But they would trip into the figure. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: these drugs have been huge for race relations, and if

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Speaker 1: in fact the government did invent them, I hope they

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Speaker 1: keep inventing more drugs. I hope you can invent all

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Speaker 1: the mind controlled drugs that keep white people more, you know,

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Speaker 1: as timid as they need to be to keep us

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Speaker 1: from being attacked and murdered for their pleasure. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think we did it. I think we nailed it. I

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Speaker 1: think that that was perfect. J Elis, can you tell

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Speaker 1: everybody where they can find you? Cool ship you have

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Speaker 1: going on? Oh yo, man, socialists, you can find me

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Speaker 1: at j R L S J A y R E

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Speaker 1: Uh Uh cool shit. Uh nah no, Uh Insecure on HBO,

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Speaker 1: Top Gun next summer, Mrs America on FX Hulu. Uh

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Speaker 1: the Untold Story Policing, Uh wherever you podcast. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of cool ship. He's a cool dude. One more

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Speaker 1: time for my guest j Ellis Hell Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: you hilarious and as always follow us, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe and do whatever weird ship you do

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm really enjoying reading all of the comments.

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Speaker 1: I hate myself enough to read everything that people write,

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Speaker 1: them are terribly mean and I can't get enough of them.

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Speaker 1: So please keep commenting, liking, and subscribing and uh oh

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