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Speaker 2: Jim Hoy, Welcome into another episode of Stupidity, the biggest

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Speaker 2: It is rare that we are serious here on Stupidity.

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Speaker 2: The name of the podcast is Stupidity. The logo is

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Speaker 2: me sitting on a toilet Okay, we don't do much

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Speaker 2: in the way of serious around here, but every now

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Speaker 2: today because there's some serious stuff going on in the

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Speaker 2: world of sports, specifically with Naomi Osaka the French Open.

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Speaker 2: She's withdrawn from that tournament. The Grand Slams are very

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Speaker 2: upset with her. I happen to agree with her. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we know enough about mental illness and anxiety,

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Speaker 2: but we found someone who does. His name is Marty Fish.

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Speaker 2: He is a very very good friend of mine. He

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Speaker 2: was once ranked number seven in the world on the

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Speaker 2: men's tennis Tour and had to withdraw from the biggest

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Speaker 2: match of his life against Roger Federer because he was

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Speaker 2: dealing with some of this, with some mental issues with

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Speaker 2: anxiety that paralyzed crippled him so much that he was

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Speaker 2: on able to walk out on stadium court for the

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Speaker 2: biggest match of his life. So Marty Fish will join us.

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Speaker 2: We will be serious with him, for you know, a

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Speaker 2: good thirty to forty minutes. Have some fun at the

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Speaker 2: end with Marty Fish. But this is a serious topic,

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Speaker 2: and every now and then we like to dabble in

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Speaker 2: the serious sports stuff here on stupodity. So allow us

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Speaker 2: to do that for forty minutes with my good friend

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Speaker 2: Marty Fish, because I think he will give a lot

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Speaker 2: of insight into something that a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: know very much about. They have no idea it could

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Speaker 2: be happening to you right now, and you have no

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Speaker 2: idea just chalking up. Hey, everyone's anxious, everyone has stress.

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Speaker 2: No that stuff can cripple you. That stuff needs to

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Speaker 2: be talked about. He needs to be discussed, needs to be

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Speaker 2: put out in the open, and Marty Fish is the

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Speaker 2: perfect person to tell you A what he was dealing

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Speaker 2: with and b why you need to get that stuff

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Speaker 2: out of your life, out of your system. You have

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Speaker 2: to do it. And with Naomi Osaka and everything going

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Speaker 2: so I think he has some great insight into what

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Speaker 2: he was dealing with it, I think about ten eleven

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Speaker 2: years ago. So Marny Fisher is gonna join us, mikey A,

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Speaker 2: I am told here that you will only be joining

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Speaker 2: me for the open and the clothes that you have

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Speaker 2: to leave it is odd. It's a weird fucking thing

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Speaker 2: that's going on here that you can only be here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, in your defense, you're not paid to

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Speaker 2: to get on that, okay, but anyway, the open and

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Speaker 2: leaving for an hour? Why? Why? What is going on?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that. I'm gonna go with ten the

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Speaker 2: Knicks funeral. Okay, Oh that's right. I forgot that fucking

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Speaker 3: Go say goodbye to that dearly departed friend Nick.

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Speaker 2: You know what. And you're right, Mike. It's funny because

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Speaker 2: Nick called me, well, he didn't call me. He called

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Speaker 2: right before he died. He called me, okay, and he said, listen,

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Speaker 2: if I die tonight, I want you to deliver my eulogy.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna be You're going to your attending Nick's funeral.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be interviewing Marty Fish. I'm supposed to be

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Speaker 2: the guy who eulogizes his neck. What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: We should do this, though, We should this eulogy. We

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Speaker 2: giving me eulogy. Yes, right, listen, audience to be a

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Speaker 2: serious for forty to forty five minutes with his good

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Speaker 2: is me, Mikey a stupodity, and then Nick's fucking eulogy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let us be serious. Now we'll go back to being

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Speaker 2: immature jackasses tomorrow at five o'clock. But first, my good friend, serious,

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Speaker 2: tough Marty Fish. All right, my friend Marty Smith is

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Speaker 2: with us here on Stupotoity. I want to start over.

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Speaker 3: My last name is not Smith.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just one of the Stupotoity. Keep

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Speaker 2: it in.

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Speaker 4: Marty Fish, my friend Marty, Marty Party. My friend Marty

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Speaker 4: Fish with us a year on Stupoddy. I wanted to

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Speaker 4: bring him on for a number of reasons. What's going

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Speaker 4: on with Naomi Osaka. I want to talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Marty has been through a lot of that. He voiced

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Speaker 4: his support for Naomi recently and so I want to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get into his top five clay court

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Speaker 2: players of all time because I think we have a

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Speaker 2: disagreement here. Possibly set up a charity tennis match with

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Speaker 2: me at nan verk Marty and Christopher Mande brusso some there,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot, And we got the Tahoe Golf tourn

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about Marty after four hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy seven episode, you finally made it here about that.

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Speaker 5: I mean I got on, you know, I could have

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Speaker 5: gotten on, and I was telling Chris Is before the show,

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Speaker 5: So I get a text from Stu, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe the Wednesday, the second Wednesday of

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Speaker 5: the US opennineteen Coco Golf is still in the tournament

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Speaker 5: as like this phenom. She's like fifteen years old. Medvedev

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Speaker 5: is like basically in the semi finals. Johnny Mack is

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Speaker 5: commentating and all, hey, do you.

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Speaker 3: Think you can come on the show, Come on the show.

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Speaker 5: But you think you can bring Coco Golf who's still

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Speaker 5: in the tournament. Medvedev Danil Medvedev, who I've never met

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Speaker 3: Semi finals on the men's side and Johnny Mack.

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Speaker 5: Who oh, but just so you know, tell Johnny Mack

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if you can just do that. Oh and you,

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Speaker 5: So that was I could have come on if I

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Speaker 5: had come through with those three players in the middle

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Speaker 5: a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little game I like to call using

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Speaker 2: you to get to other people.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very game.

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Speaker 2: You should feel honored. You should feel honored, Marty.

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Speaker 3: Ye, you play it well.

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Speaker 2: And then and then and then I haven't spoken to

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Speaker 2: you since right until until I reached out the other day.

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Speaker 2: He asked you to do this. That's what I do, Marty.

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Speaker 2: You voiced your your support for Naomi Osaka. I read

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Speaker 2: an article in the La Times. I know you went

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Speaker 2: through anxiety and and some mental illness, and so let's

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Speaker 2: kind of start right there. What experience do you have, Marty,

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Speaker 2: If you could explain to the audience just some of

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Speaker 2: the things you were you were feeling and what you

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Speaker 2: you're still dealing with it today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing this up because it's something

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Speaker 5: that's close to me, important to me. Uh So, in

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Speaker 5: and it's a it's a fairly common procedure. It's called

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Speaker 5: an oblasion that you get it fixed as electricity around

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Speaker 5: your heart can malfunction, and when it malfunctions, it's like

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Speaker 5: it tells your heart to beat, so like fire up, firepup,

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Speaker 5: So it's a really, really uncomfortable situation to be in.

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Speaker 5: It happened a few times until we figured out exactly

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Speaker 5: So like from the traumatic experiences that I had where

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Speaker 5: I went through that in twenty twelve, along with a

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Speaker 5: lot of different sort of expectation changes, stressful sort of

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Speaker 5: changes in my life. My career had had gone from

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Speaker 3: In my life.

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Speaker 5: And so from you know, some from a lot of that.

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Speaker 5: You just I developed and developed severe anxiety disorder, so

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Speaker 5: want to be in if you're a professional tennis player

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Speaker 5: playing the you know, the greatest player of all time

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Speaker 5: I pulled out and and uh got home. Eventually, it

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Speaker 5: took me like five days just to get home, and

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Speaker 5: from there started the road to recovery. But it took

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Speaker 5: It took me months just to leave my house outside

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Speaker 5: speaks volumes. It happened to me almost identically to that,

433
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Speaker 5: So I hope that, you know, I hope that she

434
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Speaker 5: gets the sort of professional stuff that she needs and

435
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Speaker 5: understanding that she needs to to uh to to you know,

436
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Speaker 5: to become to learn more about it and to become,

437
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Speaker 5: you know, become better person.

438
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Speaker 2: I know Chris has a question. We'll get to it

439
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Speaker 2: in just a second. Can you take us through because

440
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Speaker 2: I think people have a hard time understanding this. You

441
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Speaker 2: got to seventh in the world, You're about to play

442
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Speaker 2: the biggest match of your life against Roger Federer. I

443
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: think most people are saying, hey, I would be super excited,

444
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Speaker 2: like here I am, I've arrived. Okay, Marty Fish. A

445
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Speaker 2: lifetime of work was poured into that. Can you describe

446
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Speaker 2: for people? Because I want them to try to understand

447
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Speaker 2: what that feeling is, Okay, what you were thinking, what

448
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: you were feeling maybe the night before or on the

449
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: drive over to play that match.

450
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Speaker 3: So it's funny that you you word it like that because.

451
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Speaker 5: I had and I mentioned my supports them before before

452
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: we started, or you know, in the beginning of this conversation,

453
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: and I had my wife in the car with me.

454
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 5: So we get trained, you know, us open transportation and

455
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Speaker 5: Mercedes will come pick you up at any hotel.

456
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: You know, it's real nice. It's like an uber and so.

457
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 5: They come snag you and you bring you to the

458
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 5: courts and you know, I'm not I'm feeling just horrible

459
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 5: and not under you know, just not how am I

460
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Speaker 5: going to play this match? And how am I going

461
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 5: to feel better? I just want to feel better. I

462
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 5: just want to curl up in a little ball and

463
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Speaker 5: feel better. And my wife in the car, you know,

464
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 5: crying in the car, and just like how am I

465
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Speaker 5: going to do this? And you know, I'm like a

466
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Speaker 5: thirty year old grown man, you know, and like I've

467
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Speaker 5: never felt these feelings before in my life. And and

468
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 5: thank god my wife was there, and she goes, she says,

469
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Speaker 5: I'll never forget it.

470
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Speaker 3: She goes, you don't you know, you don't have to play?

471
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Speaker 5: And for us, us meaning like just athletes or or

472
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: you know, and specifically tennis players, we're not programmed to

473
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Speaker 5: think like that.

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Speaker 3: Like so I never ever would have thought, oh, why

475
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Speaker 3: don't you not play this, you know, monumental match that

476
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Speaker 3: that you've you know, that you've dreamt about playing your

477
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Speaker 3: you know, your entire childhood or your entire career.

478
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Speaker 5: You've worked so hard, I mean in two thousand and nine,

479
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Speaker 5: I went on a diet and lost thirty two pounds

480
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Speaker 5: to get in to get in shape to change my career,

481
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Speaker 5: which eventually changed my life. I don't think if I

482
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 5: went on that diet and like changed my you know,

483
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 5: lost those thirty pounds, that I would be the Davis

484
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Speaker 5: Cup captain today. I wouldn't have had the career that

485
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Speaker 5: I had post that post two thousand and nine. So

486
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Speaker 5: so I worked incredibly hard to get to that moment,

487
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Speaker 5: so to think like, yeah, I'm just not I'm just

488
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Speaker 5: gonna I'm just going to drive over there and I'm

489
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Speaker 5: going to tell the US Open officials that I'm not

490
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Speaker 5: playing this match today, you know, and it just it

491
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Speaker 5: never would have registered for me. So thank god that

492
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 5: she was there to tell me that that was okay,

493
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Speaker 5: because I didn't know, and I wouldn't have known.

494
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Speaker 2: Marty, how do you kind of deal with though?

495
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Speaker 6: Because the whole sport, the whole concept of high level

496
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Speaker 6: sport is kind of designed to press on every bit

497
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Speaker 6: of mental anxiety, mental strength, and you know, mental weaknesses.

498
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Speaker 2: Even so, how.

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Speaker 6: Did you eventually learn to cope with that? Because I

500
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Speaker 6: think one of the things for me that I'm interested

501
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Speaker 6: as it relates to Nami Osaka is well, if these

502
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Speaker 6: sort of things are it caused you to opt out,

503
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Speaker 6: as it caused you to opt out, how do you

504
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 6: think kind of come back and kind of be okay

505
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 6: with them? When only more stressors in, particularly for her,

506
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Speaker 6: as her star grows, like she might become the most

507
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Speaker 6: famous tennis player in the world, that will only keep

508
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Speaker 6: upon even greater mental stress.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we're gonna see that this

510
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Speaker 3: is putting her.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we're talking about got CNBC on Straight Ahead

512
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Speaker 5: that and they're talking about Naomi Osaka, so like, I mean,

513
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Speaker 5: I can't. And then they mentioned Ryan Garcia, who's someone

514
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Speaker 5: the boxer who who had his bout postponed and due

515
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 5: to mental health he said as well, and they're they're

516
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Speaker 5: just talking about him. So yeah, I mean she's she's

517
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Speaker 5: if not now, she is on her well on her

518
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Speaker 5: way to being the most famous woman's athlete in the world.

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: And you know, maybe all time. Obviously we've seen her

520
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: break every record in terms of in terms of endorsements

521
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Speaker 5: and things like that. She broke another record this year.

522
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Speaker 5: She made fifty five million dollars. So it's like more money,

523
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Speaker 5: more problems. It's like more wins, more problems, more, more,

524
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Speaker 5: you know, more, the more.

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Speaker 3: You have to deal with.

526
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Speaker 5: You can't hide anymore. She's she'll never be able to hide.

527
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 5: She's very polarizing. You can recognize her and her you know,

528
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 5: her hair from a mile away, and and she's a

529
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Speaker 5: total star and she and and but deep down.

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Speaker 3: She's a really shy, sweet girl.

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Speaker 5: And she's very you know, and like just being shy

532
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: doesn't allow you to, you know, neglect your mandatory press

533
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: engagements and things like that that you have to do.

534
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Speaker 5: And clearly that's not what's going on here. She's not going, oh, well,

535
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Speaker 5: I'm just shy, so I'm not I don't want to

536
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 5: talk to the press today.

537
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Speaker 3: I think the I.

538
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Speaker 5: Think the French Federation, the Tennis Federation over there, the

539
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Speaker 5: I t F, the w t A had a real

540
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: chance to sort of step back when she did announce

541
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Speaker 5: that the day before the event too, you know, to

542
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 5: to to really do some you know, maybe some groundbreaking

543
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 5: stuff of saying, hey, let's really you know, if this

544
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: is something that you're even thinking about, you're even thinking

545
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Speaker 5: about pulling out or something you know of this event

546
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: or something like that, uh uh, you know, maybe this

547
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: is something that we need to we need to spend

548
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Speaker 5: more time on. Obviously, we've seen since then that the

549
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Speaker 5: you know, the four governing bodies are gonna are gonna

550
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Speaker 5: come together and see if they can put something together.

551
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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I mean. If they don't,

552
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Speaker 3: if they don't call.

553
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 5: Me and ask me, you know, what I went through

554
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 5: and what I dealt with, they're not doing They're not

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 5: doing uh, they're not They're doing it a disservice. And

556
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: I don't mean that meaning like, hey call me because

557
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: I know everything. But like I went to a tournament

558
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: and it's a similar situation where like, you know, I

559
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: was trying to make the quarterfinals of a Grand Slam

560
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 5: and try to go through Feederer doing it. And that's

561
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 5: for me in my world, like playing the third, you know,

562
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 5: trying to win a third straight Grand Slam, Like that's

563
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 5: my test case for what Naomi's going through. And and

564
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: and then you know, like like I said, like I

565
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: said before, it doesn't matter. It doesn't care that you're

566
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: going for your third major or that you're playing Roger Fetterer.

567
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: It just cares that you have a ton of stress

568
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: on you that you need to take care of. This

569
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Speaker 5: and that you didn't as quick as you should have,

570
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Speaker 5: and so we need to get on your mental health

571
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 5: right away. And I hope, you know, again I've said

572
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Speaker 5: it before, and I just I hope she gets And

573
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Speaker 5: again I don't think help is the right word.

574
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Speaker 3: I just think she hopes.

575
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 5: She she starts understanding that they're avenues that you can

576
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: do and take to really feel good. And I did

577
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: that as well, and like I was able to get

578
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Speaker 5: my life back. I was able to go out with

579
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Speaker 5: friends again. I was able to have a beer again,

580
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: which I never thought in you know, the sort of

581
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 5: first ten months, that I would get that back.

582
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Speaker 3: And eventually I got it back.

583
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Speaker 5: And then eventually I got back to the US Open,

584
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: and eventually I got back to playing in the place

585
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 5: where where I couldn't play for three years prior. So,

586
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, it's just they have a real opportunity now

587
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: to really further along the dialogue and help individual athletes,

588
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: at least with their mental health.

589
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Speaker 2: You won't call it help, but I will. There's no

590
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Speaker 2: shame in getting help and asking for help, because to me,

591
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: that's exactly what it is. But Marty, I'm wondering because

592
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Speaker 2: people have a hard time they struggle with this, And

593
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering what you say to these people, the people

594
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Speaker 2: who say, hey, it's part of the job. The people

595
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Speaker 2: who say, hey, she can go out there in front

596
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Speaker 2: of fifty thousand people and play tennis at that kind

597
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Speaker 2: a level but can't answer a few questions after the

598
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Speaker 2: press conference. What do you say to those people?

599
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just say, look look at what I would

600
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 5: just say, look at what it did to her, meaning

601
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: she couldn't compete. She thought it better to go home

602
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 5: and not play in this, you know, and try to

603
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 5: try to win the third, her third straight Grand Slam.

604
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Speaker 5: H So, So, Yeah, I've had I've had conversations with

605
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: friends over text, just sort of saying, you know, why, why,

606
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: it's part of it's a it's a mandatory thing.

607
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Speaker 3: It's part of her job. That is what it is.

608
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Speaker 3: You know, just do it.

609
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Speaker 5: And it's clearly not as simple as that, it's clear

610
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Speaker 5: for her. For her, it's not as simple as she's

611
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Speaker 5: done in her whole career. She she can go up

612
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 5: there and say, you know, do the Marshawn lynch and

613
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 5: say I'm just here to not get fined, and and

614
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: that's easy to do. That, that's actually way easier than

615
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 5: what she was going through and what she was doing.

616
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Speaker 5: She was trying to take a stand for herself maybe

617
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: for others that were that that we're feeling the same

618
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: way or similar thoughts of her, and that she is

619
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Speaker 5: and and so you know, and so that's uh, you know, yeah,

620
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Speaker 5: I mean it is part of the job, like like

621
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Speaker 5: every other sport.

622
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Speaker 3: But but but.

623
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Speaker 5: If she's gone this far to pull out of the event,

624
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: there's something that's that's more defining in there that that

625
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: she needs to take care of and they need to

626
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: understand that.

627
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: All right, I want to get to your Clucky transition here,

628
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: but you were you were great on that on that topic,

629
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: on that subject, and we appreciate it, and the audience

630
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: will appreciate it.

631
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Speaker 3: Go to commercial right here for a second, and then

632
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Speaker 3: come back.

633
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, exactly, we'll put something in there. But I

634
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: want to get to your top five clay court players

635
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: of all time? Okay, So I just quickly, I know

636
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: I got to get you out here. Top five clay

637
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Speaker 2: court players of all time. I want to discuss a

638
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: tennis super league, and I have a game for you

639
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: at the end, fish or fishy. Okay, it's a stupid game. Okay,

640
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: but it's stupodoy and I'm stupid. I objected, give everyone

641
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: your top five clay corp players of all time, because

642
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: you read this out a few weeks ago and I

643
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: was outraged by it.

644
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 5: Okay, So Nadol number one, I had Djokovic number two,

645
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 5: I had Federer number three, I had Board number four,

646
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 5: and Nastazi number five.

647
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: Is that what it had?

648
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Yes? He did.

649
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so so Nastasi five. Because of the amount of

650
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 5: tournaments he won. He won an incredible amount of events.

651
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: I could argue, you know, you could. You can argue

652
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: with a Gestago quertin there. You can argue with the

653
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 5: Thomas Mooster there. You can argue with a Jim Currier

654
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 5: there if you wanted to. I went with Nastazi because

655
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: I didn't want to just go this generation of player, all.

656
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: Right, So I asked Ad van Urk, who was a

657
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: massive tennis fan, his top five clay clay court players

658
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: of all time. Would you like to hear his real quick? Yeah? Okay,

659
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: he has Rafa Federer, beyond Borg, Lendell, and qu I

660
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: have Lendall, we Lander, Quairton, Borg, Nadal. I think the

661
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: guy that he left out here is Lendel, I mean

662
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: the saw dos he won three French Opens.

663
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: Marty, he did, Yeah, he won three. No, Look, Lendel

664
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: was great.

665
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 5: Look the way that I looked at that whole thing

666
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 5: was putting the doll in his era? And how many

667
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: does he win? If you take out Nadal in Djokovic

668
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: and Federer's era, I think Roger has at least five

669
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: major five French Opens. He lost a raph of four

670
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 5: finals in multiple semis and one one. Uh so, so

671
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give him five French Opens without Nadal, I

672
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: mean Djokovic the other five, since he's.

673
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: Won one and beaten the doll there and then and

674
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: then it's like the Borg.

675
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: You know, I can understand, like Borg retires at twenty

676
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: six years old, he's won five French and five I Wimbledon,

677
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: But just put Rafa And I'm okay with someone putting

678
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 5: bored too and not having them. But but put Rafa

679
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: with Borg and let's just see how many he has

680
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 5: because the doll is the is sort of the the

681
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: equalizer to all of it.

682
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: Waiting you see what happened there, Marty Fish has his

683
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: own fucking personal record book. Man.

684
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, in Marty Fish's personal record book. Roger Feeder is

685
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 6: the greatest French Open player ever if he wanted.

686
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: Ones, and he never beaten the doll there. But but

687
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, the guy.

688
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: The guy is by far, by far.

689
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 5: In his generation, the the He was the second best

690
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 5: clay quarder there for ten years and then Djokovic came

691
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 5: on the scene and blah blah blah the rest.

692
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Adnan, he wants me to try to

693
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: set up a charity match. Okay, me and you versus

694
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: Adnin and Andy James Blake. Both of them are very

695
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: good friends of yours. So do you think we could

696
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: set that up? And do you think we win?

697
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 5: I think we should play against Andy's Nothing makes me

698
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: feel better when we beat when I beat Andy.

699
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: And and you went to high school together, right.

700
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: We went to high school together. We lived together. When

701
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 5: we were sixteen. We had we went to this We

702
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: were going to the same school, we were going to

703
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 5: the same tennis practice after school. We drove separate cars

704
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 5: because I thought I had a faster way to go

705
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 5: to school than he did.

706
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Who was the better basketball player?

707
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: Oh? I was for sure? He no, he rode the pine.

708
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: He came in for defensive defense and rebounds only. I

709
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: mean it was like, hey, Andy, don't shoot when you

710
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 5: get the ball, pass it, pass the ball. Just defend

711
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 5: and play defense.

712
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: What were you doing hitting threes?

713
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: Just raining three shooter shoot, baby shooter?

714
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: Shoot? Who had more success with the with the girls

715
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 2: at high school? You were Andy, Roddick.

716
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: Andy and I We did pretty good. You know, it

717
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: were a whole lot of you know, there wasn't a

718
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: whole lot of time.

719
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 5: With uh with with with tennis in school, tennis more

720
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: specifically than school at that point.

721
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: But uh but uh, you know, we we.

722
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: Had a couple that we had the same you know,

723
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: he date a girl and then I date the same verse.

724
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: Bro that boy all right, quickly, I know, I got

725
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: to get you out of here, fish or fishy, then

726
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: we'll talk golf. We'll get you out of here. Casual

727
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: tennis player dressed to the nines.

728
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: Fish or fishy, Uh fishy.

729
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Mike Ryan, by the way, just saying his

730
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: golf right with his golf. Oh you'll see you'll see

731
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: in Tahoe, yes, uh peeing in the shower. Fish or fishy.

732
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: Fish had a boy casual tennis player who dropshots and

733
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: lobs you to death. Fish or fishy.

734
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll go with fish but it is fishy.

735
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: I would do that hard.

736
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: I do that in a senior tour. They get super annoyed.

737
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: I think it's funny.

738
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: Listen, you do that to aDNA when we play eronic

739
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: by the way, Okay, I do it to both of

740
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: them all right, whole time ketch up on state fish

741
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: or fishy, fishy. Thank you. I almost divorced my wife

742
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: over that tennis bag with multiple rackets for the casual

743
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: tennis player. Fish or fishy. You have a friend who

744
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: shows up like that, okay, farting on a plane fish or.

745
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: Fishy, fishy, you gotta hold it.

746
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: Person, I don't person who wears fed gear while watching

747
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Roger Federer play fish or fishy.

748
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 5: We just called that, Adnan or no, yeah, that's exactly where.

749
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: Thank you. Peeing in the pool, yes, a fish or

750
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: fishy peeing in the pool.

751
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: Don't pee in the pool fish Okay, alright.

752
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: You can pee in my pool any time. A group

753
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: of adults who love Rogers so much they started a

754
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: fan club called hashtag team fed fish or Fishy.

755
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fishy. I mean, that's madman.

756
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Fishing. I love it. I love it.

757
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: Does anyone like anyone more than he likes Federer? I

758
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: mean it's just incredible.

759
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: Uh he likes Federer more than I like my wife.

760
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean that is it's it's.

761
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: More and Whittingham like Chelsea. I mean it is, it is.

762
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: It is personal.

763
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: Yes. Uh so, how are we gonna do Lake Tahoe? Chris?

764
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: This is very exciting. Chris Whittingham made this happen. Now, Marty,

765
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: believe me, at some point in time, I would have

766
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: called you to try to get me into this tournament. Uh.

767
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: We haven't arrived there yet. Now I don't have to, thankfully,

768
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: because Whittingham got us in. You are the raining champ

769
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: at this Lake Tahoe Tournament. The only person I have

770
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: ever had on from the Lake Tahoe Tournament was the magician.

771
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the magician that comes out there?

772
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: We had mad On he listen phenomenal at Tahoe on

773
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: my podcast Dreadful.

774
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I a magician does visual.

775
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: Tricks.

776
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't do it. It's so hard. No,

777
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: that's phenomenal.

778
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: It was a bad idea.

779
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: You gotta see him. You'll see him all week. He's phenomenal.

780
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: He'll blow your mind. It's incredible.

781
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to offend you. It was a terrible

782
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: call by me. You're right, you don't have a magician

783
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: on radio on an audio medium. But I went for

784
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: it anyway, and it was terrible. So what I do

785
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: in those situations is I just bash him after the fact. Okay,

786
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: that's my greatest magic trick. Okay, So how are we

787
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: going to do this? Am I going to be playing

788
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: with Marty Fish? I'm a little You're the you're the

789
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: defending champion, you're scratch golfer. I think you're really really

790
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: good at this. You told Mike Ryan I was going

791
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: to finish in the last place, which really upset me.

792
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: So how are we going to work this out? Am

793
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: I playing with Marty Fish? And will be? Will I

794
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: be playing into the weekend with Marty Fish? That's what

795
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: I really want to know.

796
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: You need?

797
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 5: Uh?

798
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: Well, I think you get to choose. You'll be able

799
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: to choose.

800
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 5: In depending so they'll go like NBC Sports, American Century Championships,

801
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 5: maybe Hara's, you know, some major sponsors, and then you know,

802
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 5: they'll get to you guys, and I'll probably be there.

803
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: I mean hopefully I'll still be there.

804
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 5: And uh, but I mean there's some awesome guys to

805
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 5: or or gallas to play with, so I mean I wouldn't.

806
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: There's a Trey Mullins is a she's like a female

807
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 5: long drive champion.

808
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: Like I mean, play with her over me. I mean,

809
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: I want to with you.

810
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: Listen, if I'm gonna play with anyone over you, it's

811
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: gonna be Aaron Rodgers or Tony Rumo and that's it.

812
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's you, my man.

813
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: Don't play with Aaron's so boring. At least Tony's good.

814
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: At least, I mean, at least he can play like

815
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: Aaron can't play and he's boring. You can tell him.

816
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: I said that.

817
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: Is anyone drinking beers out there or what like? Can

818
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: we drink beers out there?

819
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 5: Patrick, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey were drinking two beers

820
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 5: a hole because he just signed a Corps Light deal.

821
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: And I mean, these guys, I could.

822
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 5: Hear the I'm on four, which is on the other

823
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 5: side of the course, and they're on seventeen, which is

824
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 5: on that side of the course, and I can still

825
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: hear them screaming because somebody made a probably a.

826
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: Bogie putt and want a bunch of money. So so yeah, yeah,

827
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of drinking and heavily highly encouraged in Tago.

828
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Okay, this is exciting. I mean, listen, whitting him do

829
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: me a favor forget about Morty, get me and the

830
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes group.

831
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 6: Okay, I've been told that that's a tough ask.

832
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: I've been told I've.

833
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: Been told you like you need to need to be.

834
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 6: A patronizer of the tournament or in some way you

835
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 6: have to be connected.

836
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: I can't even play with that. I can't even play

837
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: with that. So he's a champ.

838
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well listen, I'll ask anyone for a favor. My

839
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: daughter works out with Travis Kelsey, so I will have

840
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: my daughter get this done. Okay, my seventeen year old daughter.

841
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 5: Okay, I've already over there. Travis is a blast over there.

842
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: You need to stick with him.

843
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll have a blast.

844
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: The Kelsey is a good dude. I know you got

845
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: to get out of here. Thank you for doing this,

846
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Thank you for your honesty, for being so well with us.

847
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: Greatly appreciate it.

848
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you my pleasure. Thanks for finally having me on.

849
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: We'll do it again. Okay, bring Naomi on next time. Okay,

850
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: no problem, we'll get her all right. Thanks again to

851
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: my friend Marty Fish for joining us. Insightful stuff, open, honest, candid,

852
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: really really really enjoyed that. Thanks again to him for

853
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: sharing his story with us and his thoughts and opinions

854
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: on mental illness and anxiety with us. Fascinating stuff. Mike,

855
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: you were not here for it. You were attending the

856
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: next funeral. It's an odd question to ask how was

857
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: the funeral? You know. It's not like, hey, how was dinner?

858
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: You know? But Mike, how was the funeral? I mean

859
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: it got rescheduled. I got all dressed up, I head

860
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: down there and James Dolan rescheduled it because he has

861
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: a concert tonight. Oh that's unfortunate. Okay, so we'll do

862
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: it during the Levantard and Friends twenty four. How would

863
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: that work? Next funeral, five o'clock tomorrow. Reschedule It's the

864
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: bottomy