Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Hi, is this wild?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who's this?
Speaker 1: This is Natalie?
Speaker 2: How are you? How are you? Natalie?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. Greg? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm feeling a lot better. I was really
Speaker 2: feeling horrible yesterday, and today I'm feeling much better. I'm
Speaker 2: still on the I'm still in the eternal pursuit for
Speaker 2: the answers, you know, But I and I think every
Speaker 2: day I get a little bit closer to some form
Speaker 2: of an answer, but I understand that there will never
Speaker 2: be any kind of final answer. But anyway, that's what
Speaker 2: that's that's me. What's what's up with you? Man? What
Speaker 2: is it that you called in to talk about? If anything?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I told the call screener that I put my daughter
Speaker 1: up for adoption and my therapist actually has her.
Speaker 2: Okay, how old is you?
Speaker 4: Was?
Speaker 2: How old was you? I tell me, tell me the story.
Speaker 2: What happens.
Speaker 1: So my daughter is about six months old. When it happened,
Speaker 1: it was back in January last year, and I was
Speaker 1: like going through a lot of like postpartum depression, not
Speaker 1: anything like too serious. I was just questioning my own
Speaker 1: capabilities of being a single mom. And I talked to
Speaker 1: my parents about it, and my parents are pretty close
Speaker 1: friends with my therapist, and so they talked to my
Speaker 1: therapist a little bit about it, and I ended up
Speaker 1: finding out that my therapist was looking to adopt or
Speaker 1: foster even so I talked to her, and within like
Speaker 1: about forty eight hours of that conversation, she came and
Speaker 1: picked up my daughter and took her to her place
Speaker 1: and started paperwork towards an adoption. I ended up actually
Speaker 1: talking to like some co workers who pointed me in
Speaker 1: a direction of one of their parents was like an
Speaker 1: adoption attorney. So I talked to her because I was
Speaker 1: kind of like skeptical about everything with how fast it happened,
Speaker 1: So you know, I talked to her, got her professional opinion.
Speaker 1: She thought the whole situation was sketchy just because of
Speaker 1: how fast it was, and because it was my therapist
Speaker 1: that had her. I wasn't in like any sort of
Speaker 1: like unhealthy mindset that would put my daughter at risk
Speaker 1: of anything either, And so she said that she wanted
Speaker 1: me to pursue to get my daughter back, and so
Speaker 1: that's what I started to do.
Speaker 2: She wanted you to.
Speaker 1: What to get your daughter back, to start pursuing to
Speaker 1: get her back like in court.
Speaker 2: So, okay, you gave your daughter up for adoption to
Speaker 2: your therapist and now you are trying to get her back.
Speaker 1: Well, I had a last court case and basically where
Speaker 1: everything is kind of finalized, everything did happen really fast.
Speaker 1: One of the paperwork was printed out online. It was
Speaker 1: one that me and my baby daddy signed for our write.
Speaker 1: So that part was like a really really big red flag.
Speaker 1: And that's what made me my attorney sorry, wanted to pursue,
Speaker 1: like wanted me to pursue like getting her back because
Speaker 1: she thought it was just like a bad idea. But
Speaker 1: later I just talked to my parents and my therapist
Speaker 1: about it and we just decided to keep it as
Speaker 1: is and have visitation.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: It says here that you're twenty two. Yes, okay, was
Speaker 2: this child planned?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? And when you found out that you were pregnant,
Speaker 2: did you have a conversation or a debate or you know,
Speaker 2: what was your thoughts about whether or not you you
Speaker 2: wanted to to bring it to terms? Oh? Was you
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So when I was pregnant, when I found out I
Speaker 1: was pregnant. I was kind of depressed, and I didn't
Speaker 1: see it more of like a burden, something that was
Speaker 1: going to make my life harder. I thought it more of, oh, like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to change for the better. I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: my life around for this being, this human that's like
Speaker 1: you know, in my body. I'm gonna better myself for her.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, like do whatever it takes to
Speaker 1: make this one thing happy. Like I like created a
Speaker 1: purpose for myself to be a mom.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that purpose, it's sort of like you adapted
Speaker 2: to the scenario to go, Okay, maybe this is an
Speaker 2: opportunity to you know, try to get a little bit
Speaker 2: closer to being the kind of person I want to
Speaker 2: become in service of this child. Yeah, okay, Yes. And
Speaker 2: the father, what's his deal? Is he involved?
Speaker 5: Is he?
Speaker 2: Are you guys together?
Speaker 1: Preferred not to be involved. He's coxic, kind of narcissistic.
Speaker 1: It's not really something I wanted around my daughter.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you so he's not going to be involved?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? Uh? And are you still seeing him?
Speaker 1: What was that? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Are you are you still seeing him romantically? Oh?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do you still talk to him.
Speaker 1: I have him on Snapchat and like the pictures I
Speaker 1: get of my daughter, I'll send it him just because
Speaker 1: I feel like he has the right to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, like see her as well, not like in person,
Speaker 1: but like pictures. You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Is he he's is he asking for pictures but he
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily want to even be em But but he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to be involved or go to see her
Speaker 3: in person.
Speaker 1: No, he's complicated. He's all over the place when it
Speaker 1: comes down to his feelings towards this. He originally wanted
Speaker 1: to help me pursue the whole thing, changed his mind
Speaker 1: halfway through, and then you know, I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking trying to get
Speaker 1: him involved because you know, he hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have the kid. Uh how does it
Speaker 2: feel when you have the kid?
Speaker 1: So I only have like visitations. So when I do go,
Speaker 1: it's like with like my therapist and her husband as well.
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about I know that I know that
Speaker 2: you gave your daughter up six months, but I'm talking
Speaker 2: about one day old. What are the feelings, what are
Speaker 2: the thoughts? Oh?
Speaker 1: I was I was obsessed with her, like, I was
Speaker 1: happier than I've ever been my entire life. I U
Speaker 1: discovered that a mother's love is like a genuine new
Speaker 1: type of emotion. It was truly a great experience.
Speaker 2: But okay, and then tell me, over the course of
Speaker 2: that six months, what led you to make the decision
Speaker 2: to put her up for adoption.
Speaker 1: So I have a memory disorder, and there were certain times,
Speaker 1: like certain days where uh, like, my daughter wouldn't fuss,
Speaker 1: she wouldn't cry, she was an excellent baby. So she
Speaker 1: would have a dirty diaper and she wouldn't fuss about it,
Speaker 1: and so I had to start setting a warm So
Speaker 1: I made sure she had a clean diaper to make
Speaker 1: sure that I personally wasn't forgetting. And I looked down
Speaker 1: upon myself for doing that. I'm like a normal quote
Speaker 1: unquote normal mom shouldn't have to do that, And so
Speaker 1: I thought that I would be worse for her having
Speaker 1: to like do all this extra stuff to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything that I need to do. I just
Speaker 1: thought that she would be better off to somebody else
Speaker 1: who knew what they were doing and didn't have this
Speaker 1: this like wall. You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, you you made a very adult decision to
Speaker 2: go I love this person so much that I know
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the best caregiver for them,
Speaker 2: and so I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Give them up financially or eventually.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, and that's a mature decision to make.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of negative feedback on it, a
Speaker 1: lot of like the majority of my support.
Speaker 2: System, why did you tell me what your friend that had? Okay,
Speaker 2: what were there? What was their reasoning as to why
Speaker 2: that was a bad decision?
Speaker 1: They thought that me and my daughter should be together.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of people that were happy that
Speaker 1: I was pursuing to get her back, but then you know,
Speaker 1: cut me off again once they realized that I, you know,
Speaker 1: stop doing that and just going for visiting sun and
Speaker 1: stuff and.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now here's what's weird to me, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure what's weird to people who are listening and uh
Speaker 2: is I'm just it's just a little weird. This is
Speaker 2: a little weird. Okay, no, it's no, no, well, okay,
Speaker 2: this special I mean what you're going, you know, the
Speaker 2: therapist thing is the really weird. And I want to
Speaker 2: kind of figure out what's going on here. So I
Speaker 2: assume you said, how long have you been seeing your
Speaker 2: how at the time that you had the bait that
Speaker 2: the child is born, how long have you been seeing
Speaker 2: your therapist for.
Speaker 1: I've had my therapist therapist since I was fifteen years old, twenty.
Speaker 2: Fifteen, okay, so a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's like another like parental figure for me.
Speaker 2: All right, And I assume when your baby was born
Speaker 2: you had a lot to talk about in therapy. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and how what was what kinds of things were you
Speaker 2: talking with your therapist about.
Speaker 1: I was mostly worried about, like my my baby, daddy's
Speaker 1: sticking around and you know he didn't but like that's okay,
Speaker 1: Like my therapist, like she was great. She was telling me,
Speaker 1: like you know, they're single moms out there, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't do it, like don't listen to what other
Speaker 1: people have to say, like you know your baby best,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, she she was doing great. She
Speaker 1: gave me really good advice when it came towards like
Speaker 1: not listening to other people.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then I how does she how does she
Speaker 2: then adopt your baby? You talk to like like your
Speaker 2: therapist is telling you that she's looking to adopt and
Speaker 2: you're looking to give up your baby and then it
Speaker 2: just happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had to actually uh do like more paperwork.
Speaker 1: That was like canceled my therapist being my actual like
Speaker 1: me going to therapy with her. So I got like
Speaker 1: another therapist and like I see him now instead of her,
Speaker 1: But like legally she couldn't still be my therapist and
Speaker 1: have my daughter as well as her mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, there seems to me
Speaker 2: to be a lot of conflict of interest, conflicts of
Speaker 2: interest with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was the whole issue with court too.
Speaker 2: Okay, so are you still so now? Who is in
Speaker 2: possession of the child? Is it your therapist?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still my therapist.
Speaker 2: Okay, And did you find a new therapist?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, Can I ask you what your new therapist's opinion?
Speaker 2: I want to know what's your real what's your new
Speaker 2: therapist's opinion on this entire situation? What have theyd my.
Speaker 1: So, the therapist that has my daughter, she referred me
Speaker 1: to the therapists I have now. They they work together
Speaker 1: at a rehab I went to when I was really young.
Speaker 1: That's how I met the original therapist.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I knew.
Speaker 1: I know who this like therapist is since like twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: Okay as well.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like what is the what is what
Speaker 2: is his opinion?
Speaker 1: So he he doesn't like think it's like bad. He
Speaker 1: just he asked me more of my opinion, if anything,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I necessarily know his opinion
Speaker 1: because he's talking to me about so much about how
Speaker 1: I feel about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, m hm, does have any well, does he have
Speaker 2: any opinion on the conflict of interests involved in your
Speaker 2: therapist adopting your child?
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily talk to him about like the conflict
Speaker 1: of interest. I was just like, Oh, her name's Fanny.
Speaker 1: Annie has her, and like I miss her, but like
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you're still able to see her. Just
Speaker 1: be grateful that it's her who has her because she's
Speaker 1: given you like visitation and like you know, like you
Speaker 1: fought in court against her and she's still like willing
Speaker 1: to let you see your daughter.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about this, tell you what's going on
Speaker 2: in court? Okay. So you give your daughter up for
Speaker 2: adoption to your therapist and then you you what made
Speaker 2: you kind of retract your decision to do that and
Speaker 2: then go to the.
Speaker 1: Court the So I talked to Annie and my parents
Speaker 1: about everything, and I found out that Annie's attorney was
Speaker 1: saying that it's a it's a done. Feel like you
Speaker 1: guys have her. There's no way you can get like
Speaker 1: she can get her back legally now because the adoption's
Speaker 1: finalized and stuff, And my attorney was kind of fighting
Speaker 1: to get my old therapist. Is Annie her license taken away?
Speaker 1: If she was telling me that's how I would get
Speaker 1: my daughter back when in reality that wasn't the case
Speaker 1: at all. So I just like went to the court
Speaker 1: like asked for hearing, and I was just like, honestly,
Speaker 1: at this point, I feel like she isn't the healthiest
Speaker 1: place for her. Like she's healthy, she's happy, she has
Speaker 1: a great support system, I'm able to see her, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just asked him to put an end
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: So where are we at now?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is is there is you their plans for your daughter
Speaker 2: to return into your custody.
Speaker 1: No, it's she's gonna stay with Annie. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: what I want, but it's honestly what I do believe
Speaker 1: what's best for her, because I mean I'm only twenty two.
Speaker 1: I don't have like the best job. I don't make
Speaker 1: that much money. Like she's like Annie makes a lot
Speaker 1: more money than I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, so your your still in the mindset that caused
Speaker 2: you to want to give her up in the first place,
Speaker 2: which is just that you're not in the You're not
Speaker 2: the best possible caretaker for her, and you know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, are you still.
Speaker 2: Going to go visit her?
Speaker 1: Yes? I face from her, I get pictures and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see her for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Are you hoping to or planning to be a active
Speaker 2: part of her life?
Speaker 1: Yes. So I was actually adopted myself, and one of
Speaker 1: my biggest issues growing up was not having a like
Speaker 1: a relationship with my adopted family because I missed and
Speaker 1: wanted so badly to have a relationship with my birth
Speaker 1: family that I couldn't have because I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they weren't there. So, like, I know, it's best for
Speaker 1: me and also for her to stick around and be
Speaker 1: a part of your life. Okay, So it's more than
Speaker 1: anything would I want to.
Speaker 2: So legally, your former therapist is going to be this
Speaker 2: child's mother, and you will be the birth mother, and
Speaker 2: you're all going to be involved in her life. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: and the and the baby daddy is is out is out,
Speaker 2: but he gets snapchats and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets the pitch.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So you told me that your therapist
Speaker 2: asked you a bunch of questions about your opinion about
Speaker 2: this whole situation. Correct, Yeah, and what were your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely a whiplash of emotion. There are days
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Yeah, this is what's best for her,
Speaker 1: and then there are days like where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I continued to pursue in court. I wish
Speaker 1: I had her here with me. But I always have
Speaker 1: to take a step back and remember to look at
Speaker 1: that bigger picture. And I thought of it more of
Speaker 1: a could or should type of situation if anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can fight for my daughter back, but should I
Speaker 1: Is this going to be what's best for her? Like
Speaker 1: you know, it's all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think it's a good thing
Speaker 2: that you are making decisions with your top priority being
Speaker 2: what is going to be best for her?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Okay, what's next for you? Natalie? Are you in school?
Speaker 2: Do you work? What? Tell me about your life? Because
Speaker 2: you're very young.
Speaker 1: What do you I am? I'm still I'm still figuring
Speaker 1: that out because I had my mindset and uh, basically
Speaker 1: a purpose for myself to be a mom, and now
Speaker 1: that's no longer in front of me. I actually had
Speaker 1: this conversation with like the guy I'm seeing like the
Speaker 1: other day, and he's just like, you know, just don't
Speaker 1: get in your head too much about it. M m Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: do one day at a time, keep myself happy and healthy, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, keep a job. I think doing school would
Speaker 1: be cool, but like I just wouldn't know what exactly
Speaker 1: to pursue.
Speaker 2: Mhm. Do you have a lot of friends and family?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, what's what's your current support system?
Speaker 1: Look like, I have a old high school friend, she's
Speaker 1: my roommate. Now that's uh, she's basically my support system.
Speaker 1: I struggle with trust issues with like my family and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're extremely Mormon and I'm extremely not.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: I grew up Mormon, left the church really at a
Speaker 1: young age.
Speaker 2: But m hm.
Speaker 1: Hm, definitely not something I believe that.
Speaker 2: Do you like your new therapist I do, Okay, Natalie,
Speaker 2: I am a random guy with no training of any
Speaker 2: kind or no knowledge of any kind and anything. I
Speaker 2: just come on here and talk to people about their lives,
Speaker 2: and I try not to give advice or tell people
Speaker 2: what to do. But something is telling me right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what to do. But
Speaker 2: what if I floated the idea around of getting a
Speaker 2: therapist because I know you said that this guy is
Speaker 2: like you know, someone that you've known for a while,
Speaker 2: and someone that knows this this person that is the
Speaker 2: guardian of your daughter. Now, what if I floated up
Speaker 2: the idea of getting a therapist who is not remotely
Speaker 2: involved in this situation at all and doesn't know anyone
Speaker 2: that you know? Yeah, ok, because there is a lot
Speaker 2: of I definitely had that. There is a lot of conflicts. Well,
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of so many conflicts of interest here.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling before we go, Allison? How are
Speaker 2: you just feeling in general?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: I mean, not not terrible, not not amazing, just content.
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to stay optimistic about as much
Speaker 1: as I can.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good, Allison. Is there any other like aspect
Speaker 2: of this that we didn't cover that you wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about or anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: me or to the people of the computer or you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's Natalie.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's Natalie. Actually, but.
Speaker 7: He did.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, you're fine, just to the people at
Speaker 1: the computer. Like you know, life throws things that use
Speaker 1: throws obstacles. Ship gets really really hard, but to keep
Speaker 1: chugged along, like you know, if you if you give
Speaker 1: up now, you won't be able to see what there
Speaker 1: is to come.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling Natalie.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Lyle. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 5: Have a go on, bye bye.
Speaker 2: Let me think for two seconds. I don't sometimes I
Speaker 2: give I've been thinking a lot more about how I
Speaker 2: want to approach the way I do this podcast. And
Speaker 2: my my favorite thing to do is to just talk
Speaker 2: to a person and get the story in the her
Speaker 2: own words and give as little of my own commentary
Speaker 2: as I possibly can, although sometimes that's not true. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I do give a bunch of my own commentary. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I mean, look, definitely a conflict of interest
Speaker 2: there with the therapist. Sounds like she's a little bit
Speaker 2: too involved in Natalie's life. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, but I feel like the I feel like
Speaker 2: a therapist should not I feel like your therapist probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't know your family. They probably shouldn't be close enough
Speaker 2: to you to take custody of your daughter. It just
Speaker 2: feels like a lot. So I hope that Natalie can
Speaker 2: find a new therapist who has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: her family, or her life or any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that sounds like a much better way to go.
Speaker 2: And then as far as like this whole situation with
Speaker 2: the kid, I mean, fuck, man, that's some rough shit.
Speaker 2: That's some heavy shit. Sometimes I don't have anything else
Speaker 2: to say other than fuck, that is some heavy shit.
Speaker 2: But I hope her daughter. I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: what I don't. I don't know. I'm not a child psychologist.
Speaker 2: I don't know what growing up in an environment like
Speaker 2: that with all these kind of unclear parental roles does
Speaker 2: to a kid. I don't know. I'm trying to think of,
Speaker 2: like what Natalie can do moving forward, just for herself,
Speaker 2: keep going, man, it was nice to hear that she
Speaker 2: was making decisions, uh with her dog's well being in mind,
Speaker 2: like it, I did, mean what I said, when I
Speaker 2: feel like it's it's a mature thing. It takes a
Speaker 2: lot to be able to look at yourself and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not it for this kid. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: have the I don't have a job enough, I don't
Speaker 2: have a you know whatever enough to be able to
Speaker 2: take care of the kid. So I'm gonna put her
Speaker 2: somewhere where she will be taken care of. I think
Speaker 2: that's a lot. Thanks for sharing your story, Natalie jak
Speaker 2: bless you. Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 8: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 8: I am Aiden?
Speaker 2: Aiden? What's going on with you?
Speaker 8: Nothing?
Speaker 1: Much?
Speaker 8: So I called in because I need help with something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit me.
Speaker 8: So, I just don't understand how people can do like
Speaker 8: weird ship in like Walmart or public in general, like
Speaker 8: pranks and ship I like, I've tried it with my friends.
Speaker 8: We just we can't do it. We can't stand the embarrassment.
Speaker 8: I just don't know what we have to do?
Speaker 2: What what kind of what kind of pranks are you
Speaker 2: and your friends doing in Walmart?
Speaker 8: So so well, you know, like I don't know, just
Speaker 8: like I couldn't even tell you like a specific pranks,
Speaker 8: just like weird ship, embarrassed and ship and I'm here,
Speaker 8: my friend you can what.
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you even? Okay, let me
Speaker 2: talk to your friend, but like you take me up
Speaker 2: with the speakerphone, it's a little hard to hear you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, hella, this is Ryan.
Speaker 2: Okay, Hi, right, Ryan? What Ryan? What pranks are you
Speaker 2: and your friends doing in Walmart?
Speaker 6: So basically there's a there's a lot of guys like, uh,
Speaker 6: I don't know what consuratively a YouTube and a full crumb.
Speaker 2: I've yeah, I've seen, I've seeing the genre that you're discussing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he will go into like Walmarts and other
Speaker 6: like I don't know, food establishments and stuff, and he'll
Speaker 6: just like he'll just rip a blinker like on his
Speaker 6: cart and then just going.
Speaker 1: Like, what does you do you want?
Speaker 2: What is what does a blinker mean?
Speaker 6: Ripping a blinker like on a like on a cart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I don't know what that means. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me all right, let me okay. You guys are
Speaker 2: trying to make videos, right, so you're going into public
Speaker 2: and you're afraid.
Speaker 8: Of don't we don't want to make we don't want
Speaker 8: to make videos.
Speaker 6: We just want to do it for fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are you trying? Because you know, listen, I've
Speaker 2: asked you, guys, what do you what is it that
Speaker 2: you want to do? And you you haven't given me
Speaker 2: an answer, and I'm having how are you unable to
Speaker 2: do a thing that don't even know what the thing is?
Speaker 6: Because it's not the It's not that's not the issue were having.
Speaker 6: It's more about getting over the embarrassment.
Speaker 2: Of it, Yes, the embarrassment of doing what.
Speaker 8: Well, So, like, would you go out? I mean, I
Speaker 8: mean I don't know if you would. All right, So
Speaker 8: you've never watched like pranks like in public and Walmart
Speaker 8: like on you?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've watched guys have watched pranks in public and Walmart.
Speaker 2: But I'm asking you what it is that you specifically
Speaker 2: are trying to do? You know, I if you, if
Speaker 2: you if you don't even know what it is, you're
Speaker 2: too embarrassed to do that. You don't know that you're
Speaker 2: too embarrassed to do it.
Speaker 8: So like we'll go in and like, I can't think
Speaker 8: of the specific one right now, I don't I don't know, Like, well,
Speaker 8: give me an example of a prank see on YouTube TikTok.
Speaker 2: Me, I'm asking I want to know from you. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me Yeah, I'm we're gonna reverse engineer this. Okay,
Speaker 2: who am I talking to? Ryan, Aiden and Aden? What
Speaker 2: are you hoping to get out of doing this?
Speaker 4: Just satisfaction?
Speaker 8: I mean, like, yeah, we're not making it. We don't
Speaker 8: want to make any videos. But it's just like something
Speaker 8: fun to do because like where we're from, like there's
Speaker 8: nothing really to do when we hang out, so it's
Speaker 8: just I don't know what's gonna do.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you guys? What do you guys want
Speaker 2: to do? You say that there's nothing to do where
Speaker 2: you're from, but you have the agency to go where
Speaker 2: you want and do what you want. What is it
Speaker 2: that you want to do?
Speaker 8: Go to Walmart and do weird stuff?
Speaker 2: Okay? What kind of weird stuff do you want to
Speaker 2: do with Walmart?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm, like go up to people and asking your questions,
Speaker 8: have them talking to Mike.
Speaker 2: Okay, here I can give you my take on that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be helpful to you guys.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 2: Here. I do stuff in public, I film that in public,
Speaker 2: and my philosophy is I don't mind doing weird stuff
Speaker 2: in public. I don't even mind other people doing weird
Speaker 2: suff in public. But there's there's two schools of thoughts
Speaker 2: when it comes to going out in public and doing
Speaker 2: weird stuff. There are people who do weird things in
Speaker 2: a very non invasive way, and other people are invited
Speaker 2: if they desire to participate. That's what I do when
Speaker 2: I go out in public as a gecko, when I
Speaker 2: set up my stand and people can come and talk
Speaker 2: to me if they want. And then there are the people.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not gonna fully shit on this because
Speaker 2: there are people who do this, like Eric Andre who
Speaker 2: I fucking love, that do it well. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of people who don't do it, who do it
Speaker 2: very annoyingly that I don't like. But but in contrast
Speaker 2: to setting up a thing and inviting other people to
Speaker 2: be engaged if it, be engaged in it if they desire,
Speaker 2: there are people who go out into public and do
Speaker 2: their thing at people like the fucking guy who takes
Speaker 2: the to the paper towel roll and puts it up
Speaker 2: to someone's ear and like whispers into it. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't like I I've been going on on my podcast
Speaker 2: about not telling people what to do, don't do that.
Speaker 2: If you really want to go out and do stuff
Speaker 2: in public. If you only go out and do weird
Speaker 2: stuff in public, do it in a way that invites
Speaker 2: other people to be involved if they want. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, don't go out and do annoying things at people,
Speaker 2: because then they'll just get pissed off and you're not
Speaker 2: really doing anything. Like if you want to walk around
Speaker 2: in a fucking bunny rabbit costume and do and walk
Speaker 2: around Walmart and do your bunny rabbit then and walk
Speaker 2: around the town square or Florida or whatever and do
Speaker 2: your bunny rabbit dance for money, go do that. Do
Speaker 2: something that invites people into it if they desire, but
Speaker 2: don't bring people into your tiktoks.
Speaker 8: All right, all right, I could do that.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, I could see that. But now the thing
Speaker 8: is like I wouldn't have the courage to get into
Speaker 8: a bunny coss from going home. I'll just feel too embarrassed,
Speaker 8: Like I'll like, I'd probably be like wear it, but
Speaker 8: I wouldn't get out of the car I'm walk in.
Speaker 8: There's something stopping me. So yeah, like a physical barrier
Speaker 8: stopping me.
Speaker 2: Interesting, What if your friend did it with you.
Speaker 8: The same way?
Speaker 2: Really, you guys both wouldn't do it together. I would
Speaker 2: challenge you guys do this. You know, you know. It's
Speaker 2: when I first started doing this, I was afraid to
Speaker 2: walk around and it got co costume in my neighborhood
Speaker 2: because I was embarrassed. And now I go to foreign
Speaker 2: countries and walk around and I don't really bat and
Speaker 2: I feel very comfortable. The only way to get comfortable
Speaker 2: being embarrassed is to just expose your therapy, your way,
Speaker 2: do it, your way through it. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I think what you guys are I think the thesis
Speaker 2: behind what you guys are trying to do, which is
Speaker 2: be more comfortable with yourselves to not mind being embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's a positive thing to be doing,
Speaker 2: and you should. You should do it. You should go
Speaker 2: out in public and your bunny rabbit costume and learn
Speaker 2: how to not be embarrassed and feel like you're being
Speaker 2: perceived by people. You should do it. Just don't do
Speaker 2: shit at other people, do you do you understand the difference?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, word.
Speaker 8: I guess what you meant. It made me feel good
Speaker 8: from this conversation. I wasn't expecting that. I mean, you
Speaker 8: always make everybody feel good from the conversations, but from
Speaker 8: that topic good.
Speaker 2: Is there any other No, I think about this a lot.
Speaker 2: Is there any other aspect of this or anything else
Speaker 2: in particular that you guys want to talk about or
Speaker 2: say to the people the computer before we go?
Speaker 8: No, you have a great show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you, Thanks man, And yeah, good luck in
Speaker 2: your guys's bunny adventures.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much, you too.
Speaker 2: That's an important distinction, I think, because I have seen
Speaker 2: the videos that they're talking about. I hate I hate
Speaker 2: a lot of them. I hate the videos where people
Speaker 2: are like going into Like there's these videos where these
Speaker 2: kids will go into Walmart and they'll be like filming,
Speaker 2: and there's a guy and he works at Walmart and
Speaker 2: he doesn't even know what TikTok is. He's just doing
Speaker 2: his job and he's like, Hey, can you guys quit
Speaker 2: fucking around in the store. And then there he's like,
Speaker 2: can you guys not record me while I'm doing this?
Speaker 2: And the kids are like, we're not recording. This is
Speaker 2: actually just a toy phone. It's not real, and it's like,
Speaker 2: why this guy? Why? I don't think you should fuck
Speaker 2: with anyone out, but why are you fucking with this guy?
Speaker 2: And then everyone in the comments is like, why is
Speaker 2: this Walmart guy being such a Karen? He's doing his
Speaker 2: job for God's sakes, Listen. I'm totally game for going
Speaker 2: out in public and doing weird stuff, but that's to me,
Speaker 2: the distinction is, you know, go out in a public
Speaker 2: area and do you I encourage going out in public
Speaker 2: and doing weird stuff, but just don't do it at people.
Speaker 2: Do it in a way that invites people to be
Speaker 2: involved in it if they desire, not you know, running
Speaker 2: up to people with the fuck and paper towel roll
Speaker 2: and screaming in the rear. So that's I guess what
Speaker 2: I wanted to get through to those guys, because they
Speaker 2: had they it's a good thesis of a thing that
Speaker 2: they're trying to do, But I just hope they do
Speaker 2: it in a good way. I've seen good I've seen
Speaker 2: prank videos done well. The only the only, but also
Speaker 2: there are people who go out and do their thing
Speaker 2: at people. But it's not teenagers on TikTok. It's like
Speaker 2: Eric Andre or fucking Borat or something and I love
Speaker 2: that shit. But if you're a seventeen and you're on TikTok,
Speaker 2: you're not as you're just not as smart as those guys,
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to do it. Hello. Hello, Hi,
Speaker 2: who is this?
Speaker 7: My name is Sydney.
Speaker 2: Sydney, what's uh? What's going on with you?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 7: Basically, my boyfriend and I had been together, well we're
Speaker 7: still already other for about like eight months, but like
Speaker 7: two months ago, I like caught him just kind of
Speaker 7: in like a like trail of lies, and it then
Speaker 7: since then, like I kind of accused him of cheating
Speaker 7: on me. And then since then though, he's like treated
Speaker 7: me so differently, and there's been so many things that
Speaker 7: I've just noticed that he does. And all my friends,
Speaker 7: you know, are like, it's bad, you should break up
Speaker 7: with him, But in my mind, I feel like I'm
Speaker 7: just like overreacting, and I just wanted some advice.
Speaker 2: You said you caught him in a trail of lies?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 7: So it was just like one night we were hanging
Speaker 7: out with some people and these two girls came over
Speaker 7: and we're like twenty he's twenty two, And these girls
Speaker 7: came over and they said they're eighteen and all these things,
Speaker 7: and I didn't think much of it. And so then
Speaker 7: they were like, oh, if you were over last night,
Speaker 7: and I was never told that, like they were over
Speaker 7: last night. And then when I like called him out
Speaker 7: on it, he like just didn't like said it didn't happen,
Speaker 7: wasn't true, And then he switched out saying like, oh
Speaker 7: it did, but I just didn't.
Speaker 1: Tell you.
Speaker 2: He had he had girls over that you didn't know about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't know them. He said that he knew them,
Speaker 7: and like, to me, that still wasn't like that bad
Speaker 7: because I was like, oh, like I wouldn't stop him
Speaker 7: from like hanging out with.
Speaker 2: People, and tell me about the thing in your mind
Speaker 2: that you observed about the situation that is really alarming you.
Speaker 7: It was the fact of like I don't know the
Speaker 7: fact that they're eighteen and he's twenty two, which is
Speaker 7: like odd, like how do you know them? And I
Speaker 7: wasn't like I wasn't like in a way like I
Speaker 7: didn't come back and like saying he was cheating on me.
Speaker 7: But the second it was brought up, he got like
Speaker 7: super defensive and he and that's what set me to
Speaker 7: like thinking it was something different because I wasn't even
Speaker 7: that upset about it, and then he just became so
Speaker 7: defensive over it and likes, he is so defensive.
Speaker 2: You said he's been treating you differently. In what way
Speaker 2: do you observe he's treating you differently?
Speaker 7: He has always just done so nice, and then after
Speaker 7: that incident, he would just he is mean to me,
Speaker 7: like for no reason. But then like if I say something,
Speaker 7: he fallows oxic. I'm just joking, but like he never
Speaker 7: really joked like that before, and then.
Speaker 4: Hold on him.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Sidney, listen, aside from uh racking our heads
Speaker 2: around perceived evidence of something that we're pretty sure happened,
Speaker 2: but we're thinking about whether or not we're aside from that, like,
Speaker 2: take strip everything away and just answer me, are you
Speaker 2: are you feeling like being in this relationship is a
Speaker 2: positive thing for you in your life.
Speaker 7: The way that I see it, I mean, most of
Speaker 7: the time it's good and it's good, and then it's
Speaker 7: just the moments when it's bad, it's like super bad.
Speaker 7: He just is so mean, and it's hard to just say,
Speaker 7: like I don't feel like it's positive because it is sometimes,
Speaker 7: but I just I can never tell if the positive
Speaker 7: outweighs the negative of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, h tell me more about the positive of it.
Speaker 2: What is it? What is it doing for you beneficially
Speaker 2: to your life to be in this in this relationship.
Speaker 7: I mean, he makes me happy when it's good. I
Speaker 7: feel like him and I are very similar. We just
Speaker 7: enjoy the same things. Every conversation is always good, and
Speaker 7: he's always there for me when I need him.
Speaker 2: He said, you guys have been dating for you. But
Speaker 2: then there's yeah, and like, no, keep going there.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say the main one of the
Speaker 7: other evidence like that I found was like there was
Speaker 7: like a bra that was found in the apartment and
Speaker 7: people accused it of being mine, but like it wasn't mine,
Speaker 7: and I like that was suspicious to me. And it's
Speaker 7: like he has roommates also, so it's not like it
Speaker 7: could be one of theirs. And then he said that
Speaker 7: like he was out of condoms, and I knew like
Speaker 7: how many he had before that, but then he did
Speaker 7: They're like, oh, like I gave it to friend, but
Speaker 7: my one friend has hooked up with another one of
Speaker 7: his friends that he said that he gave it to
Speaker 7: and like he didn't like ever use condoms with her.
Speaker 2: That could have changed, but it was it was recently, Sinney,
Speaker 2: It sounds like this whole thing is stressing you out
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: It is stressing me out a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, how often? How often to that the same month relationship? Like,
Speaker 2: think about the feelings of stress that you're feeling right now,
Speaker 2: forget about the just forget about the facts, and we're gonna,
Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna do the feelings here, this feeling
Speaker 2: of stress of did this happen? And is this all
Speaker 2: these like you? Is that something you felt recurringly throughout
Speaker 2: these past eight months, not in the beginning?
Speaker 7: Is the recent like past two months?
Speaker 2: Okay, does the stress that you're feeling right now feel
Speaker 2: like it it is worth it to to continue being
Speaker 2: in this relationship.
Speaker 7: In the beginning, it didn't. But the more that I
Speaker 7: sit on it, I feel like almost like I gaslight
Speaker 7: myself and just like being like it's not where I
Speaker 7: think and I'm not upset about it, but I think
Speaker 7: I am still upset about it, m and I feel more.
Speaker 2: Just like, no, please keep going. How do you feel?
Speaker 7: I was just gonnay, I feel more like I just
Speaker 7: try to ignore it and push it aside so much
Speaker 7: now that I'm like, oh, just okay with it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. The whole thing about gas lighting yourself
Speaker 2: and in really any situation, it's very hard to tell.
Speaker 2: Am I overreacting to this or right? As you said,
Speaker 2: are you gaslighting yourself? I don't. I don't know, and
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm thinking about this,
Speaker 2: and to me, the the facts of what happened is
Speaker 2: less important as the bottom line of is being in
Speaker 2: this relationship making your life better or worse? That's the
Speaker 2: That's the bottom line here. And you know, again, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to tell you what to do, but I
Speaker 2: think you should meditate on your field. Okay. What else
Speaker 2: is going on in your life?
Speaker 7: By the way, Well, I just like moved and I
Speaker 7: have a new job now, and like have been through
Speaker 7: a lot of change in the last like two weeks.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, is it positive? Is a change that you're
Speaker 2: excited about?
Speaker 7: Yeah? And I'm like very proud of myself a lot
Speaker 7: of the time from it too.
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, So so there are other things in your
Speaker 2: life aside from this relationship that are making you feel
Speaker 2: good about being alive. Yeah, okay, it's great to hear.
Speaker 2: Because again I'm I gonna tell you what to do,
Speaker 2: but I think you should. Let me put it like this.
Speaker 2: You should take everything. Take all the aspects of your life, uh,
Speaker 2: the news, place that you're in, your friends, your job,
Speaker 2: this guy, your fucking dog, your hobbies, take put take,
Speaker 2: lay them all out on the table and do a
Speaker 2: little housekeeping and say, which of these things are positively
Speaker 2: adding to my life, Which of these things do I
Speaker 2: want to continue to invest my time and energy into,
Speaker 2: And then which are negatively impacting me and maybe are
Speaker 2: not worth uh investing my time and energy further into
Speaker 2: and clean clean house a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah that sounds good. Okay, good, It feels more beneficial
Speaker 7: to think of it that way. Then, like I don't know,
Speaker 7: obviously my friends are insulated, like you know, just break
Speaker 7: up with him and all that.
Speaker 2: So well, because here's why, here's why I don't want
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm thinking about this and fucking people can
Speaker 2: go back and listen to phone calls that I've made him.
Speaker 2: I'll price slip up in the future. I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: like you know, I I think you should arrive at
Speaker 2: your own destination of what you feel like you should do.
Speaker 2: And I think if I could give you that, I mean,
Speaker 2: that framework of thinking about it, you know, do that
Speaker 2: and see what comes out of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: For sure, man, Sydney, is anything else you want to
Speaker 2: say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 8: Okay, this is Isabella.
Speaker 1: I'm Sidny's friend. I'm forced her to call. I just
Speaker 1: want to say I love my friends. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Killow and please come to Florida on torgan. I mean
Speaker 1: it's my but Orlando or Campa please.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, Well I am going back to Florida. I'm
Speaker 2: going to Miami. All right, we'll consider we'll consider Tampa.
Speaker 5: I'll think about Tampa.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we'll think about it. We'll think about it.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys very much. Man, I'll hopefully see you
Speaker 2: around the universe. I've been something sometimes I really want
Speaker 2: to tell people what to do. I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: it a lot. I've been thinking about this and if
Speaker 2: I could just ignot like, I don't want to say
Speaker 2: things that people can then go back and look at
Speaker 2: how I've responded to calls in the past and go, well,
Speaker 2: you did this. I know, I know if I'm trying
Speaker 2: to see how deep I can get into a call
Speaker 2: with actually even telling anybody what to do, because what
Speaker 2: the fuck do I know about what people who I've
Speaker 2: talked to for five minutes should do with their live
Speaker 2: But I hope that Sydney makes the decision that leads
Speaker 2: her to a greater well being in the future, I'll
Speaker 2: say that, Oh wait, shit, fuck, I gotta do this. Dylan, Dylan,
Speaker 2: I saw I saw you. I saw your call, and
Speaker 2: it says here that you were at the Seattle show.
Speaker 2: I I do these live shows for you know context.
Speaker 2: I do live shows where I bring people on stage
Speaker 2: and talk with them, and you were at one of them.
Speaker 2: It says here, and you were on stage as the
Speaker 2: Cowboy and I remember you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first one on stage for the first show.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you called in because I remember we
Speaker 2: talked on stage about you being a cowboy. And then uh,
Speaker 2: this girl came on after you and she was talking
Speaker 2: about she was having these like relationship issues and I
Speaker 2: said to her, I was like, what kind of guy
Speaker 2: do you want to be with? And then she looks
Speaker 2: at you. You're sitting back in the crowd and she says,
Speaker 2: a cowboy.
Speaker 4: That is exactly how it played.
Speaker 2: Out, okay. And then after the show someone, someone came
Speaker 2: up to me and they were like, Yo, remember the
Speaker 2: two people that you interviewed. I just saw them in
Speaker 2: the lobby holding hands with each other. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: all right, cool fucking making little gecko babies here. So
Speaker 2: tell me your perspective of that situation.
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, Well, after you ran off the stage for
Speaker 4: the first show, I went over and you know, I
Speaker 4: still had the alcohol on me who was taking care
Speaker 4: of my concussion, so still had that confidence. But we
Speaker 4: went and we went across the street to a bar,
Speaker 4: got a few drinks, talked for a little bit, and
Speaker 4: then she was very very drunk. So I got her
Speaker 4: an eber home and I came back to your show.
Speaker 4: I snuck back into your second show. Sorry, I can
Speaker 4: bend Moe. I can vendo a year if you want.
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, snuck back into the second show. Finished
Speaker 4: watching that show, and we texted for a couple A
Speaker 4: little bit after the show. We went and got brunch
Speaker 4: Sunday that was really good. But uh, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: she ghosted me, ma'am.
Speaker 2: So you guys went on an old day after the
Speaker 2: show and you got ourn Ober home. That was nice
Speaker 2: of you. And then you guys went out to brunch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Sunday after the show, like two sundays ago,
Speaker 4: we went and got brunch, really nice. We had some oistures.
Speaker 2: What did you What did you guys talk about over brunch? Well,
Speaker 2: it's such a that's such a funny way to meet
Speaker 2: somebody for a date, is like in this very public way.
Speaker 4: Well, we talked about, like what our interests were. Was
Speaker 4: some of her favorite comedians. You were one of them.
Speaker 4: And then another comedian by the name of Randy. We
Speaker 4: talked about where we where we grew up, you know,
Speaker 4: how different our lives are, and it seemed like we
Speaker 4: were really clicking, you know, just world.
Speaker 2: How was the vibe because both of you guys seemed
Speaker 2: like you were pretty intoxicated, and so you like met
Speaker 2: each other drunk and then in the morning you had
Speaker 2: a brunch and like met each other like sober for
Speaker 2: the first time. What did that How was that vibe?
Speaker 4: I would say the vibe was good. I mean I
Speaker 4: didn't think it was awkward. I enjoyed myself. Granted I
Speaker 4: did have a couple of momosas while we were at brunch.
Speaker 4: But whatever, but uh, I would say it was pretty good.
Speaker 4: I talked her ear off, she talked my ear off,
Speaker 4: ate some delicious oysters. I thought it was a pretty
Speaker 4: good brunch.
Speaker 2: Now you feel as though she has ghosted you.
Speaker 4: I do, sadly I do.
Speaker 3: M M.
Speaker 4: So I know her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you tag it? What did you text her?
Speaker 4: I texted her last Wednesday and I was asking her
Speaker 4: she was going to be busy this past weekend because
Speaker 4: you know, I was gonna go downtown, get go to
Speaker 4: Pike's Marketplace, get some holiday shopping done. And I'd never
Speaker 4: been to the top of the needle before. So I
Speaker 4: went to the top of the needle and I was
Speaker 4: gonna ask her to tag along. And Wednesday went by,
Speaker 4: Thursday went by, Friday came. I said, don't worry, take
Speaker 4: your time to answer. Saturday came and went, Sunday came
Speaker 4: and went, and it still is on delivered.
Speaker 2: So you know, Dylan, I'll say a few things. First
Speaker 2: of all, you know, listen, you had yourself just for
Speaker 2: for whatever you know, yes, she it did. It didn't
Speaker 2: end in you know, eternal love, but for whatever it's worth,
Speaker 2: this date and this time you had uh with this
Speaker 2: person that you met at the show. Hold on after sneeze.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, we'll cut that, or maybe we'll
Speaker 2: keep it in.
Speaker 4: I don't know, keep it, keep it?
Speaker 2: You think I should keep it in?
Speaker 4: I do, I really do. The people should hear.
Speaker 2: For whatever it's worth. I think you had a very
Speaker 2: interesting experience, like meeting this person at the show, getting
Speaker 2: to know them, all that stuff. You know, it seems
Speaker 2: like you had a good time. And if that those
Speaker 2: drinks and holding hands in the lobby and the brunch
Speaker 2: afterwards was all you really got out of that moment,
Speaker 2: I say, appreciate that for what it was. You know,
Speaker 2: you had a nice time. It doesn't it didn't turn
Speaker 2: into eternal love, except that you had a nice time.
Speaker 2: The moment was good. It didn't. It gave it gave
Speaker 2: to you what it had to give. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I wouldn't spend so much time fixating
Speaker 2: on it because you know that girl you have. We
Speaker 2: have no idea, no idea what is going on in
Speaker 2: her life. We got no idea she's feeling. We have
Speaker 2: no idea of her not responding to you has anything
Speaker 2: to do with you, and even if it does, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It's like there's so much to assume that
Speaker 2: any kind of assumption is is unproductive. So if I
Speaker 2: were you, I would I would I would find a
Speaker 2: way to move on with my life and and appreciate
Speaker 2: those moments for what they were.
Speaker 4: That's that's fair. Yeah, I mean definitely top ten stories
Speaker 4: of my life, just the whole situation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, see, I mean that's the thing is like
Speaker 2: the story of it, the situation of it in and
Speaker 2: of itself was a valuable thing.
Speaker 4: Learned a lot.
Speaker 2: What did you learn.
Speaker 4: Gain valuable knowledge?
Speaker 2: What did you learn doing?
Speaker 4: You know, keep expectations open. You never know who might
Speaker 4: say they're into cowboys.
Speaker 2: You know. Here's what we'll do next time I do
Speaker 2: a get day where I'm setting you up. All right,
Speaker 2: it worked once, it'll work again.
Speaker 4: It's did.
Speaker 2: All right. When we come back to Seattle. When I
Speaker 2: come I'm gonna come coming back to Seattle next year,
Speaker 2: we'll do something. I'll bring you back. We'll tell the story,
Speaker 2: we'll put you on and we'll put your date on stage.
Speaker 2: We'll give you your please wear the whole. If you
Speaker 2: wear please wear the whole cowboy outfit. We'll do it again.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 4: Idea absolutely, put it in the calendar.
Speaker 2: Anything else I want to say to the people of
Speaker 2: the computer before we go to him.
Speaker 4: Be abby, be well, save a horse, ride a cowboy.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, thank you. That's cool. I like the
Speaker 2: idea that somebody I like the idea that two people
Speaker 2: went alone to my show and then went on a
Speaker 2: little adventure. I was doing my meet and greet, and
Speaker 2: this actually happened in a bunch of cities where somebody
Speaker 2: would be like, like two people would be in It
Speaker 2: would be like in the line, I'd be like, are
Speaker 2: you guys here together? And they'd be like, well, I
Speaker 2: actually we just met. We both came alone. And that
Speaker 2: that ship made me so happy because I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: I fucking go to shows by myself all the time.
Speaker 2: I do ship by myself all the time, and like
Speaker 2: like to meet people when I go and do shit.
Speaker 2: And the idea that other people go alone and they
Speaker 2: meet people at my ship is fire. We'll we'll get We'll,
Speaker 2: we'll redeem, We'll redeem my boy. We'll we'll, we'll get it.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll find this cowboy some love, We'll make it happen.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: Never Beacon goes to it.
Speaker 4: And I was.
Speaker 3: Teaching you Cloud and Ben.
Speaker 2: He's not really an expert.