WEBVTT - "MY THERAPIST ADOPTED MY CHILD"

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hi, Hi, is this wild?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Who's this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Natalie?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? How are you? Natalie?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm good. Greg? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I'm feeling a lot better. I was really

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<v Speaker 2>feeling horrible yesterday, and today I'm feeling much better. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still on the I'm still in the eternal pursuit for

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<v Speaker 2>the answers, you know, But I and I think every

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<v Speaker 2>day I get a little bit closer to some form

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<v Speaker 2>of an answer, but I understand that there will never

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<v Speaker 2>be any kind of final answer. But anyway, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's me. What's what's up with you? Man? What

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<v Speaker 2>is it that you called in to talk about? If anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I told the call screener that I put my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>up for adoption and my therapist actually has her.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how old is you?

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<v Speaker 4>Was?

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<v Speaker 2>How old was you? I tell me, tell me the story.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So my daughter is about six months old. When it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>it was back in January last year, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>like going through a lot of like postpartum depression, not

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<v Speaker 1>anything like too serious. I was just questioning my own

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities of being a single mom. And I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>my parents about it, and my parents are pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>friends with my therapist, and so they talked to my

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<v Speaker 1>therapist a little bit about it, and I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>finding out that my therapist was looking to adopt or

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<v Speaker 1>foster even so I talked to her, and within like

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<v Speaker 1>about forty eight hours of that conversation, she came and

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<v Speaker 1>picked up my daughter and took her to her place

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<v Speaker 1>and started paperwork towards an adoption. I ended up actually

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<v Speaker 1>talking to like some co workers who pointed me in

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<v Speaker 1>a direction of one of their parents was like an

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<v Speaker 1>adoption attorney. So I talked to her because I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like skeptical about everything with how fast it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I talked to her, got her professional opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought the whole situation was sketchy just because of

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<v Speaker 1>how fast it was, and because it was my therapist

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<v Speaker 1>that had her. I wasn't in like any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like unhealthy mindset that would put my daughter at risk

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<v Speaker 1>of anything either, And so she said that she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>me to pursue to get my daughter back, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I started to do.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted you to.

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<v Speaker 1>What to get your daughter back, to start pursuing to

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<v Speaker 1>get her back like in court.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay, you gave your daughter up for adoption to

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<v Speaker 2>your therapist and now you are trying to get her back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had a last court case and basically where

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<v Speaker 1>everything is kind of finalized, everything did happen really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the paperwork was printed out online. It was

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<v Speaker 1>one that me and my baby daddy signed for our write.

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<v Speaker 1>So that part was like a really really big red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what made me my attorney sorry, wanted to pursue,

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<v Speaker 1>like wanted me to pursue like getting her back because

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<v Speaker 1>she thought it was just like a bad idea. But

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<v Speaker 1>later I just talked to my parents and my therapist

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<v Speaker 1>about it and we just decided to keep it as

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<v Speaker 1>is and have visitation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's start from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It says here that you're twenty two. Yes, okay, was

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<v Speaker 2>this child planned?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And when you found out that you were pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>did you have a conversation or a debate or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your thoughts about whether or not you you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to to bring it to terms? Oh? Was you

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<v Speaker 2>what were your thoughts about that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So when I was pregnant, when I found out I

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant. I was kind of depressed, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see it more of like a burden, something that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to make my life harder. I thought it more of, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to change for the better. I'm gonna change

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<v Speaker 1>my life around for this being, this human that's like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in my body. I'm gonna better myself for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna, you know, like do whatever it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>make this one thing happy. Like I like created a

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<v Speaker 1>purpose for myself to be a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and that purpose, it's sort of like you adapted

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<v Speaker 2>to the scenario to go, Okay, maybe this is an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to you know, try to get a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>closer to being the kind of person I want to

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<v Speaker 2>become in service of this child. Yeah, okay, Yes. And

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<v Speaker 2>the father, what's his deal? Is he involved?

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<v Speaker 5>Is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you guys together?

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<v Speaker 1>Preferred not to be involved. He's coxic, kind of narcissistic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really something I wanted around my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you so he's not going to be involved?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Uh? And are you still seeing him?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you are you still seeing him romantically? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you still talk to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I have him on Snapchat and like the pictures I

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<v Speaker 1>get of my daughter, I'll send it him just because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he has the right to be able to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like see her as well, not like in person,

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<v Speaker 1>but like pictures. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he he's is he asking for pictures but he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't necessarily want to even be em But but he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to be involved or go to see her

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<v Speaker 3>in person.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's complicated. He's all over the place when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to his feelings towards this. He originally wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to help me pursue the whole thing, changed his mind

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<v Speaker 1>halfway through, and then you know, I was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I was thinking trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>him involved because you know, he hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you have the kid. Uh how does it

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<v Speaker 2>feel when you have the kid?

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<v Speaker 1>So I only have like visitations. So when I do go,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like with like my therapist and her husband as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm talking about I know that I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you gave your daughter up six months, but I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about one day old. What are the feelings, what are

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<v Speaker 2>the thoughts? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was obsessed with her, like, I was

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<v Speaker 1>happier than I've ever been my entire life. I U

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that a mother's love is like a genuine new

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<v Speaker 1>type of emotion. It was truly a great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, and then tell me, over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>that six months, what led you to make the decision

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<v Speaker 2>to put her up for adoption.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a memory disorder, and there were certain times,

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<v Speaker 1>like certain days where uh, like, my daughter wouldn't fuss,

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't cry, she was an excellent baby. So she

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<v Speaker 1>would have a dirty diaper and she wouldn't fuss about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I had to start setting a warm So

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<v Speaker 1>I made sure she had a clean diaper to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I personally wasn't forgetting. And I looked down

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<v Speaker 1>upon myself for doing that. I'm like a normal quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote normal mom shouldn't have to do that, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that I would be worse for her having

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<v Speaker 1>to like do all this extra stuff to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing everything that I need to do. I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought that she would be better off to somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>who knew what they were doing and didn't have this

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<v Speaker 1>this like wall. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, see, you you made a very adult decision to

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<v Speaker 2>go I love this person so much that I know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be the best caregiver for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Give them up financially or eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, and that's a mature decision to make.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of negative feedback on it, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like the majority of my support.

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<v Speaker 2>System, why did you tell me what your friend that had? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what were there? What was their reasoning as to why

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<v Speaker 2>that was a bad decision?

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<v Speaker 1>They thought that me and my daughter should be together.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of people that were happy that

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<v Speaker 1>I was pursuing to get her back, but then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cut me off again once they realized that I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stop doing that and just going for visiting sun and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now here's what's weird to me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure what's weird to people who are listening and uh

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm just it's just a little weird. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a little weird. Okay, no, it's no, no, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this special I mean what you're going, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>therapist thing is the really weird. And I want to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of figure out what's going on here. So I

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<v Speaker 2>assume you said, how long have you been seeing your

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<v Speaker 2>how at the time that you had the bait that

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<v Speaker 2>the child is born, how long have you been seeing

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<v Speaker 2>your therapist for.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had my therapist therapist since I was fifteen years old, twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen, okay, so a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's she's like another like parental figure for me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, And I assume when your baby was born

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<v Speaker 2>you had a lot to talk about in therapy. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and how what was what kinds of things were you

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<v Speaker 2>talking with your therapist about.

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<v Speaker 1>I was mostly worried about, like my my baby, daddy's

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<v Speaker 1>sticking around and you know he didn't but like that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like my therapist, like she was great. She was telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they're single moms out there, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do it, like don't listen to what other

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<v Speaker 1>people have to say, like you know your baby best,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, she she was doing great. She

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<v Speaker 1>gave me really good advice when it came towards like

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<v Speaker 1>not listening to other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And then I how does she how does she

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<v Speaker 2>then adopt your baby? You talk to like like your

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<v Speaker 2>therapist is telling you that she's looking to adopt and

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to give up your baby and then it

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<v Speaker 2>just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I had to actually uh do like more paperwork.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like canceled my therapist being my actual like

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<v Speaker 1>me going to therapy with her. So I got like

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<v Speaker 1>another therapist and like I see him now instead of her,

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<v Speaker 1>But like legally she couldn't still be my therapist and

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<v Speaker 1>have my daughter as well as her mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to say, there seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>to be a lot of conflict of interest, conflicts of

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<v Speaker 2>interest with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that was the whole issue with court too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so are you still so now? Who is in

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<v Speaker 2>possession of the child? Is it your therapist?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's still my therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And did you find a new therapist?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Can I ask you what your new therapist's opinion?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what's your real what's your new

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<v Speaker 2>therapist's opinion on this entire situation? What have theyd my.

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<v Speaker 1>So, the therapist that has my daughter, she referred me

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<v Speaker 1>to the therapists I have now. They they work together

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<v Speaker 1>at a rehab I went to when I was really young.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I met the original therapist.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>I know who this like therapist is since like twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't like what is the what is what

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<v Speaker 2>is his opinion?

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<v Speaker 1>So he he doesn't like think it's like bad. He

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<v Speaker 1>just he asked me more of my opinion, if anything,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think I necessarily know his opinion

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<v Speaker 1>because he's talking to me about so much about how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, m hm, does have any well, does he have

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<v Speaker 2>any opinion on the conflict of interests involved in your

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<v Speaker 2>therapist adopting your child?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't necessarily talk to him about like the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>of interest. I was just like, Oh, her name's Fanny.

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<v Speaker 1>Annie has her, and like I miss her, but like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, you're still able to see her. Just

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<v Speaker 1>be grateful that it's her who has her because she's

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<v Speaker 1>given you like visitation and like you know, like you

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<v Speaker 1>fought in court against her and she's still like willing

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<v Speaker 1>to let you see your daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tell me about this, tell you what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>in court? Okay. So you give your daughter up for

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<v Speaker 2>adoption to your therapist and then you you what made

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of retract your decision to do that and

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<v Speaker 2>then go to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Court the So I talked to Annie and my parents

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<v Speaker 1>about everything, and I found out that Annie's attorney was

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<v Speaker 1>saying that it's a it's a done. Feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have her. There's no way you can get like

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<v Speaker 1>she can get her back legally now because the adoption's

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<v Speaker 1>finalized and stuff, And my attorney was kind of fighting

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<v Speaker 1>to get my old therapist. Is Annie her license taken away?

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<v Speaker 1>If she was telling me that's how I would get

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter back when in reality that wasn't the case

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<v Speaker 1>at all. So I just like went to the court

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<v Speaker 1>like asked for hearing, and I was just like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, I feel like she isn't the healthiest

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<v Speaker 1>place for her. Like she's healthy, she's happy, she has

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<v Speaker 1>a great support system, I'm able to see her, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just asked him to put an end

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So where are we at now?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Is is there is you their plans for your daughter

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<v Speaker 2>to return into your custody.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's she's gonna stay with Annie. It's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>what I want, but it's honestly what I do believe

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<v Speaker 1>what's best for her, because I mean I'm only twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have like the best job. I don't make

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<v Speaker 1>that much money. Like she's like Annie makes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more money than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so your your still in the mindset that caused

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<v Speaker 2>you to want to give her up in the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just that you're not in the You're not

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<v Speaker 2>the best possible caretaker for her, and you know that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, are you still.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to go visit her?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I face from her, I get pictures and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see her for Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you hoping to or planning to be a active

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<v Speaker 2>part of her life?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. So I was actually adopted myself, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>my biggest issues growing up was not having a like

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with my adopted family because I missed and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted so badly to have a relationship with my birth

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<v Speaker 1>family that I couldn't have because I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't there. So, like, I know, it's best for

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<v Speaker 1>me and also for her to stick around and be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of your life. Okay, So it's more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything would I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>So legally, your former therapist is going to be this

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<v Speaker 2>child's mother, and you will be the birth mother, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're all going to be involved in her life. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and the and the baby daddy is is out is out,

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<v Speaker 2>but he gets snapchats and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he gets the pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, So you told me that your therapist

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<v Speaker 2>asked you a bunch of questions about your opinion about

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<v Speaker 2>this whole situation. Correct, Yeah, and what were your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's definitely a whiplash of emotion. There are days

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm like, Yeah, this is what's best for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there are days like where I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I continued to pursue in court. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I had her here with me. But I always have

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<v Speaker 1>to take a step back and remember to look at

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<v Speaker 1>that bigger picture. And I thought of it more of

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<v Speaker 1>a could or should type of situation if anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can fight for my daughter back, but should I

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<v Speaker 1>Is this going to be what's best for her? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think I think it's a good thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you are making decisions with your top priority being

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<v Speaker 2>what is going to be best for her?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's next for you? Natalie? Are you in school?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you work? What? Tell me about your life? Because

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<v Speaker 2>you're very young.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you I am? I'm still I'm still figuring

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<v Speaker 1>that out because I had my mindset and uh, basically

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<v Speaker 1>a purpose for myself to be a mom, and now

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<v Speaker 1>that's no longer in front of me. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation with like the guy I'm seeing like the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, and he's just like, you know, just don't

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<v Speaker 1>get in your head too much about it. M m Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I'm going. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do one day at a time, keep myself happy and healthy, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, keep a job. I think doing school would

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<v Speaker 1>be cool, but like I just wouldn't know what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue.

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<v Speaker 2>Mhm. Do you have a lot of friends and family?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, what's what's your current support system?

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<v Speaker 1>Look like, I have a old high school friend, she's

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<v Speaker 1>my roommate. Now that's uh, she's basically my support system.

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<v Speaker 1>I struggle with trust issues with like my family and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're extremely Mormon and I'm extremely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up Mormon, left the church really at a

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<v Speaker 1>young age.

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<v Speaker 2>But m hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm, definitely not something I believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like your new therapist I do, Okay, Natalie,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a random guy with no training of any

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<v Speaker 2>kind or no knowledge of any kind and anything. I

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<v Speaker 2>just come on here and talk to people about their lives,

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<v Speaker 2>and I try not to give advice or tell people

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<v Speaker 2>what to do. But something is telling me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to tell you what to do. But

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<v Speaker 2>what if I floated the idea around of getting a

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<v Speaker 2>therapist because I know you said that this guy is

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, someone that you've known for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone that knows this this person that is the

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<v Speaker 2>guardian of your daughter. Now, what if I floated up

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of getting a therapist who is not remotely

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<v Speaker 2>involved in this situation at all and doesn't know anyone

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<v Speaker 2>that you know? Yeah, ok, because there is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of I definitely had that. There is a lot of conflicts. Well,

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of so many conflicts of interest here.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling before we go, Allison? How are

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<v Speaker 2>you just feeling in general?

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<v Speaker 4>Good?

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, not not terrible, not not amazing, just content.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I tried to stay optimistic about as much

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 1>as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, good, Allison. Is there any other like aspect

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>of this that we didn't cover that you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about or anything else you want to say to

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<v Speaker 2>me or to the people of the computer or you know, yeah,

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it's Natalie. Actually, but.

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<v Speaker 7>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, No, you're fine, just to the people at

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the computer. Like you know, life throws things that use

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>throws obstacles. Ship gets really really hard, but to keep

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>chugged along, like you know, if you if you give

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.160
<v Speaker 1>up now, you won't be able to see what there

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<v Speaker 1>is to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for calling Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you, Lyle. I appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a go on, bye bye.

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Let me think for two seconds. I don't sometimes I

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 2>give I've been thinking a lot more about how I

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>want to approach the way I do this podcast. And

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<v Speaker 2>my my favorite thing to do is to just talk

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<v Speaker 2>to a person and get the story in the her

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.719
<v Speaker 2>own words and give as little of my own commentary

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>as I possibly can, although sometimes that's not true. Sometimes

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 2>I do give a bunch of my own commentary. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, I mean, look, definitely a conflict of interest

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 2>there with the therapist. Sounds like she's a little bit

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:28.360
<v Speaker 2>too involved in Natalie's life. I don't know what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, but I feel like the I feel like

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a therapist should not I feel like your therapist probably

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't know your family. They probably shouldn't be close enough

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<v Speaker 2>to you to take custody of your daughter. It just

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>feels like a lot. So I hope that Natalie can

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 2>find a new therapist who has nothing to do with

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 2>her family, or her life or any of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that sounds like a much better way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as far as like this whole situation with

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the kid, I mean, fuck, man, that's some rough shit.

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 2>That's some heavy shit. Sometimes I don't have anything else

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to say other than fuck, that is some heavy shit.

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 2>But I hope her daughter. I don't I don't know

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 2>what I don't. I don't know. I'm not a child psychologist.

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what growing up in an environment like

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that with all these kind of unclear parental roles does

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 2>to a kid. I don't know. I'm trying to think of,

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 2>like what Natalie can do moving forward, just for herself,

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>keep going, man, it was nice to hear that she

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<v Speaker 2>was making decisions, uh with her dog's well being in mind,

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.639
<v Speaker 2>like it, I did, mean what I said, when I

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's it's a mature thing. It takes a

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 2>lot to be able to look at yourself and go, yeah,

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not it for this kid. I don't I don't

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 2>have the I don't have a job enough, I don't

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>have a you know whatever enough to be able to

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>take care of the kid. So I'm gonna put her

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where she will be taken care of. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot. Thanks for sharing your story, Natalie jak

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<v Speaker 2>bless you. Hello, Hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm good? How are you?

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your name?

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 8>I am Aiden?

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<v Speaker 2>Aiden? What's going on with you?

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 8>Nothing?

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Much?

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 8>So I called in because I need help with something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hit me.

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<v Speaker 8>So, I just don't understand how people can do like

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 8>weird ship in like Walmart or public in general, like

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 8>pranks and ship I like, I've tried it with my friends.

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<v Speaker 8>We just we can't do it. We can't stand the embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 8>I just don't know what we have to do?

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<v Speaker 2>What what kind of what kind of pranks are you

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>and your friends doing in Walmart?

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 8>So so well, you know, like I don't know, just

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 8>like I couldn't even tell you like a specific pranks,

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 8>just like weird ship, embarrassed and ship and I'm here,

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 8>my friend you can what.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 2>How do you? How do you even? Okay, let me

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>talk to your friend, but like you take me up

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.239
<v Speaker 2>with the speakerphone, it's a little hard to hear you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, okay, hella, this is Ryan.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Hi, right, Ryan? What Ryan? What pranks are you

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and your friends doing in Walmart?

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<v Speaker 6>So basically there's a there's a lot of guys like, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what consuratively a YouTube and a full crumb.

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<v Speaker 2>I've yeah, I've seen, I've seeing the genre that you're discussing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but he will go into like Walmarts and other

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 6>like I don't know, food establishments and stuff, and he'll

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 6>just like he'll just rip a blinker like on his

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 6>cart and then just going.

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Like, what does you do you want?

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>What is what does a blinker mean?

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 6>Ripping a blinker like on a like on a cart.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I don't know what that means. Okay,

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 2>let me all right, let me okay. You guys are

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>trying to make videos, right, so you're going into public

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're afraid.

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 8>Of don't we don't want to make we don't want

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 8>to make videos.

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 6>We just want to do it for fun.

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are you trying? Because you know, listen, I've

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>asked you, guys, what do you what is it that

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you want to do? And you you haven't given me

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 2>an answer, and I'm having how are you unable to

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<v Speaker 2>do a thing that don't even know what the thing is?

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<v Speaker 6>Because it's not the It's not that's not the issue were having.

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<v Speaker 6>It's more about getting over the embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it, Yes, the embarrassment of doing what.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, So, like, would you go out? I mean, I

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 8>mean I don't know if you would. All right, So

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 8>you've never watched like pranks like in public and Walmart

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 8>like on you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've watched guys have watched pranks in public and Walmart.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm asking you what it is that you specifically

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>are trying to do? You know, I if you, if

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you if you don't even know what it is, you're

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>too embarrassed to do that. You don't know that you're

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>too embarrassed to do it.

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 8>So like we'll go in and like, I can't think

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 8>of the specific one right now, I don't I don't know, Like, well,

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 8>give me an example of a prank see on YouTube TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, I'm asking I want to know from you. Okay,

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>let me Yeah, I'm we're gonna reverse engineer this. Okay,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>who am I talking to? Ryan, Aiden and Aden? What

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>are you hoping to get out of doing this?

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Just satisfaction?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, like, yeah, we're not making it. We don't

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 8>want to make any videos. But it's just like something

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 8>fun to do because like where we're from, like there's

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 8>nothing really to do when we hang out, so it's

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<v Speaker 8>just I don't know what's gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you guys? What do you guys want

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to do? You say that there's nothing to do where

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>you're from, but you have the agency to go where

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you want and do what you want. What is it

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that you want to do?

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 8>Go to Walmart and do weird stuff?

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay? What kind of weird stuff do you want to

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>do with Walmart?

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 8>Mm hmm, like go up to people and asking your questions,

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 8>have them talking to Mike.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here I can give you my take on that.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's gonna be helpful to you guys.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 8>All right.

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Here. I do stuff in public, I film that in public,

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and my philosophy is I don't mind doing weird stuff

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>in public. I don't even mind other people doing weird

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>suff in public. But there's there's two schools of thoughts

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to going out in public and doing

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff. There are people who do weird things in

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>a very non invasive way, and other people are invited

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 2>if they desire to participate. That's what I do when

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I go out in public as a gecko, when I

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 2>set up my stand and people can come and talk

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to me if they want. And then there are the people.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And look, I'm not gonna fully shit on this because

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 2>there are people who do this, like Eric Andre who

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I fucking love, that do it well. There are a

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who don't do it, who do it

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<v Speaker 2>very annoyingly that I don't like. But but in contrast

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to setting up a thing and inviting other people to

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>be engaged if it, be engaged in it if they desire,

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>there are people who go out into public and do

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 2>their thing at people like the fucking guy who takes

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<v Speaker 2>the to the paper towel roll and puts it up

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to someone's ear and like whispers into it. Yes, yeah,

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>don't like I I've been going on on my podcast

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>about not telling people what to do, don't do that.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>If you really want to go out and do stuff

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>in public. If you only go out and do weird

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>stuff in public, do it in a way that invites

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>other people to be involved if they want. But yeah,

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't go out and do annoying things at people,

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>because then they'll just get pissed off and you're not

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 2>really doing anything. Like if you want to walk around

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 2>in a fucking bunny rabbit costume and do and walk

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>around Walmart and do your bunny rabbit then and walk

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 2>around the town square or Florida or whatever and do

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>your bunny rabbit dance for money, go do that. Do

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>something that invites people into it if they desire, but

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>don't bring people into your tiktoks.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 8>All right, all right, I could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, yeah, I could see that. But now the thing

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 8>is like I wouldn't have the courage to get into

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 8>a bunny coss from going home. I'll just feel too embarrassed,

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 8>Like I'll like, I'd probably be like wear it, but

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't get out of the car I'm walk in.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 8>There's something stopping me. So yeah, like a physical barrier

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 8>stopping me.

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, What if your friend did it with you.

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 8>The same way?

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Really, you guys both wouldn't do it together. I would

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 2>challenge you guys do this. You know, you know. It's

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>when I first started doing this, I was afraid to

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>walk around and it got co costume in my neighborhood

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>because I was embarrassed. And now I go to foreign

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>countries and walk around and I don't really bat and

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel very comfortable. The only way to get comfortable

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>being embarrassed is to just expose your therapy, your way,

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>do it, your way through it. And by the way,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>I think what you guys are I think the thesis

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>behind what you guys are trying to do, which is

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 2>be more comfortable with yourselves to not mind being embarrassed.

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I actually think that that's a positive thing to be doing,

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>and you should. You should do it. You should go

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>out in public and your bunny rabbit costume and learn

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 2>how to not be embarrassed and feel like you're being

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 2>perceived by people. You should do it. Just don't do

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>shit at other people, do you do you understand the difference?

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, word.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 8>I guess what you meant. It made me feel good

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 8>from this conversation. I wasn't expecting that. I mean, you

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 8>always make everybody feel good from the conversations, but from

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 8>that topic good.

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Is there any other No, I think about this a lot.

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Is there any other aspect of this or anything else

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 2>in particular that you guys want to talk about or

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 2>say to the people the computer before we go?

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 8>No, you have a great show. Thank you so much.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I love you, Thanks man, And yeah, good luck in

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>your guys's bunny adventures.

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 8>Thank you so much, you too.

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 2>That's an important distinction, I think, because I have seen

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the videos that they're talking about. I hate I hate

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them. I hate the videos where people

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>are like going into Like there's these videos where these

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 2>kids will go into Walmart and they'll be like filming,

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and there's a guy and he works at Walmart and

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't even know what TikTok is. He's just doing

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>his job and he's like, Hey, can you guys quit

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking around in the store. And then there he's like,

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>can you guys not record me while I'm doing this?

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>And the kids are like, we're not recording. This is

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 2>actually just a toy phone. It's not real, and it's like,

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>why this guy? Why? I don't think you should fuck

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 2>with anyone out, but why are you fucking with this guy?

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 2>And then everyone in the comments is like, why is

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>this Walmart guy being such a Karen? He's doing his

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 2>job for God's sakes, Listen. I'm totally game for going

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>out in public and doing weird stuff, but that's to me,

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the distinction is, you know, go out in a public

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:47.240
<v Speaker 2>area and do you I encourage going out in public

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and doing weird stuff, but just don't do it at people.

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Do it in a way that invites people to be

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 2>involved in it if they desire, not you know, running

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>up to people with the fuck and paper towel roll

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and screaming in the rear. So that's I guess what

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get through to those guys, because they

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>had they it's a good thesis of a thing that

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to do, But I just hope they do

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 2>it in a good way. I've seen good I've seen

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>prank videos done well. The only the only, but also

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>there are people who go out and do their thing

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 2>at people. But it's not teenagers on TikTok. It's like

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Eric Andre or fucking Borat or something and I love

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>that shit. But if you're a seventeen and you're on TikTok,

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you're not as you're just not as smart as those guys,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be able to do it. Hello. Hello, Hi,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>who is this?

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 7>My name is Sydney.

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Sydney, what's uh? What's going on with you?

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 1>So?

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 7>Basically, my boyfriend and I had been together, well we're

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 7>still already other for about like eight months, but like

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 7>two months ago, I like caught him just kind of

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 7>in like a like trail of lies, and it then

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 7>since then, like I kind of accused him of cheating

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 7>on me. And then since then though, he's like treated

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 7>me so differently, and there's been so many things that

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 7>I've just noticed that he does. And all my friends,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 7>you know, are like, it's bad, you should break up

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 7>with him, But in my mind, I feel like I'm

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 7>just like overreacting, and I just wanted some advice.

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You said you caught him in a trail of lies?

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 7>So it was just like one night we were hanging

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 7>out with some people and these two girls came over

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 7>and we're like twenty he's twenty two, And these girls

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 7>came over and they said they're eighteen and all these things,

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 7>and I didn't think much of it. And so then

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 7>they were like, oh, if you were over last night,

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.919
<v Speaker 7>and I was never told that, like they were over

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 7>last night. And then when I like called him out

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 7>on it, he like just didn't like said it didn't happen,

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 7>wasn't true, And then he switched out saying like, oh

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 7>it did, but I just didn't.

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Tell you.

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 2>He had he had girls over that you didn't know about.

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I didn't know them. He said that he knew them,

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 7>and like, to me, that still wasn't like that bad

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 7>because I was like, oh, like I wouldn't stop him

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 7>from like hanging out with.

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>People, and tell me about the thing in your mind

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 2>that you observed about the situation that is really alarming you.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 7>It was the fact of like I don't know the

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 7>fact that they're eighteen and he's twenty two, which is

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 7>like odd, like how do you know them? And I

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 7>wasn't like I wasn't like in a way like I

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 7>didn't come back and like saying he was cheating on me.

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 7>But the second it was brought up, he got like

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 7>super defensive and he and that's what set me to

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 7>like thinking it was something different because I wasn't even

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 7>that upset about it, and then he just became so

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.320
<v Speaker 7>defensive over it and likes, he is so defensive.

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.439
<v Speaker 2>You said he's been treating you differently. In what way

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 2>do you observe he's treating you differently?

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 7>He has always just done so nice, and then after

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 7>that incident, he would just he is mean to me,

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 7>like for no reason. But then like if I say something,

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 7>he fallows oxic. I'm just joking, but like he never

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 7>really joked like that before, and then.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 4>Hold on him.

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Sidney, listen, aside from uh racking our heads

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:42.240
<v Speaker 2>around perceived evidence of something that we're pretty sure happened,

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>but we're thinking about whether or not we're aside from that, like,

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 2>take strip everything away and just answer me, are you

0:41:53.760 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>are you feeling like being in this relationship is a

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>positive thing for you in your life.

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 7>The way that I see it, I mean, most of

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.439
<v Speaker 7>the time it's good and it's good, and then it's

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 7>just the moments when it's bad, it's like super bad.

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 7>He just is so mean, and it's hard to just say,

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 7>like I don't feel like it's positive because it is sometimes,

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 7>but I just I can never tell if the positive

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 7>outweighs the negative of it.

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, h tell me more about the positive of it.

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>What is it? What is it doing for you beneficially

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to your life to be in this in this relationship.

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 7>I mean, he makes me happy when it's good. I

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 7>feel like him and I are very similar. We just

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 7>enjoy the same things. Every conversation is always good, and

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 7>he's always there for me when I need him.

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 2>He said, you guys have been dating for you. But

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:04.280
<v Speaker 2>then there's yeah, and like, no, keep going there.

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna say the main one of the

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 7>other evidence like that I found was like there was

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 7>like a bra that was found in the apartment and

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 7>people accused it of being mine, but like it wasn't mine,

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 7>and I like that was suspicious to me. And it's

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 7>like he has roommates also, so it's not like it

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 7>could be one of theirs. And then he said that

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 7>like he was out of condoms, and I knew like

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 7>how many he had before that, but then he did

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 7>They're like, oh, like I gave it to friend, but

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 7>my one friend has hooked up with another one of

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 7>his friends that he said that he gave it to

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 7>and like he didn't like ever use condoms with her.

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>That could have changed, but it was it was recently, Sinney,

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like this whole thing is stressing you out

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:53.919
<v Speaker 2>a lot.

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>It is stressing me out a lot.

0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how often? How often to that the same month relationship? Like,

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 2>think about the feelings of stress that you're feeling right now,

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>forget about the just forget about the facts, and we're gonna,

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna, we're gonna do the feelings here, this feeling

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 2>of stress of did this happen? And is this all

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>these like you? Is that something you felt recurringly throughout

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 2>these past eight months, not in the beginning?

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 7>Is the recent like past two months?

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, does the stress that you're feeling right now feel

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 2>like it it is worth it to to continue being

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>in this relationship.

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 7>In the beginning, it didn't. But the more that I

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 7>sit on it, I feel like almost like I gaslight

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 7>myself and just like being like it's not where I

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 7>think and I'm not upset about it, but I think

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 7>I am still upset about it, m and I feel more.

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Just like, no, please keep going. How do you feel?

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 7>I was just gonnay, I feel more like I just

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 7>try to ignore it and push it aside so much

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 7>now that I'm like, oh, just okay with it.

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Yeah. The whole thing about gas lighting yourself

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 2>and in really any situation, it's very hard to tell.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Am I overreacting to this or right? As you said,

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>are you gaslighting yourself? I don't. I don't know, and

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm thinking about this,

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and to me, the the facts of what happened is

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 2>less important as the bottom line of is being in

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>this relationship making your life better or worse? That's the

0:45:53.960 --> 0:46:00.879
<v Speaker 2>That's the bottom line here. And you know, again, I'm

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 2>not going to tell you what to do, but I

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 2>think you should meditate on your field. Okay. What else

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>is going on in your life?

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 7>By the way, Well, I just like moved and I

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.239
<v Speaker 7>have a new job now, and like have been through

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 7>a lot of change in the last like two weeks.

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, is it positive? Is a change that you're

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>excited about?

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah? And I'm like very proud of myself a lot

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 7>of the time from it too.

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Okay, So so there are other things in your

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 2>life aside from this relationship that are making you feel

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 2>good about being alive. Yeah, okay, it's great to hear.

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Because again I'm I gonna tell you what to do,

0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:02.399
<v Speaker 2>but I think you should. Let me put it like this.

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 2>You should take everything. Take all the aspects of your life, uh,

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the news, place that you're in, your friends, your job,

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>this guy, your fucking dog, your hobbies, take put take,

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 2>lay them all out on the table and do a

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>little housekeeping and say, which of these things are positively

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>adding to my life, Which of these things do I

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 2>want to continue to invest my time and energy into,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And then which are negatively impacting me and maybe are

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 2>not worth uh investing my time and energy further into

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 2>and clean clean house a little bit.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah that sounds good. Okay, good, It feels more beneficial

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 7>to think of it that way. Then, like I don't know,

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 7>obviously my friends are insulated, like you know, just break

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 7>up with him and all that.

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.839
<v Speaker 2>So well, because here's why, here's why I don't want

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm and I'm thinking about this and fucking people can

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 2>go back and listen to phone calls that I've made him.

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I'll price slip up in the future. I'm thinking about

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I I think you should arrive at

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 2>your own destination of what you feel like you should do.

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think if I could give you that, I mean,

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.799
<v Speaker 2>that framework of thinking about it, you know, do that

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and see what comes out of it.

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, thank you so much.

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 2>For sure, man, Sydney, is anything else you want to

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 2>say to the people of the computer before we go?

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 8>Okay, this is Isabella.

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm Sidny's friend. I'm forced her to call. I just

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>want to say I love my friends. Shout out to

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Killow and please come to Florida on torgan. I mean

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.760
<v Speaker 1>it's my but Orlando or Campa please.

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Well I am going back to Florida. I'm

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 2>going to Miami. All right, we'll consider we'll consider Tampa.

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 5>I'll think about Tampa.

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, we'll think about it. We'll think about it.

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys very much. Man, I'll hopefully see you

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 2>around the universe. I've been something sometimes I really want

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to tell people what to do. I've been thinking about

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it a lot. I've been thinking about this and if

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I could just ignot like, I don't want to say

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>things that people can then go back and look at

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>how I've responded to calls in the past and go, well,

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>you did this. I know, I know if I'm trying

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.399
<v Speaker 2>to see how deep I can get into a call

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 2>with actually even telling anybody what to do, because what

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the fuck do I know about what people who I've

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 2>talked to for five minutes should do with their live

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>But I hope that Sydney makes the decision that leads

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>her to a greater well being in the future, I'll

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>say that, Oh wait, shit, fuck, I gotta do this. Dylan, Dylan,

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw I saw you. I saw your call, and

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it says here that you were at the Seattle show.

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I I do these live shows for you know context.

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I do live shows where I bring people on stage

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and talk with them, and you were at one of them.

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 2>It says here, and you were on stage as the

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Cowboy and I remember you.

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the first one on stage for the first show.

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad you called in because I remember we

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 2>talked on stage about you being a cowboy. And then uh,

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>this girl came on after you and she was talking

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>about she was having these like relationship issues and I

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>said to her, I was like, what kind of guy

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>do you want to be with? And then she looks

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>at you. You're sitting back in the crowd and she says,

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a cowboy.

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 4>That is exactly how it played.

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Out, okay. And then after the show someone, someone came

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 2>up to me and they were like, Yo, remember the

0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:38.799
<v Speaker 2>two people that you interviewed. I just saw them in

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 2>the lobby holding hands with each other. And I was like, well,

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, cool fucking making little gecko babies here. So

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 2>tell me your perspective of that situation.

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Ah, yes, Well, after you ran off the stage for

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 4>the first show, I went over and you know, I

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 4>still had the alcohol on me who was taking care

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 4>of my concussion, so still had that confidence. But we

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.879
<v Speaker 4>went and we went across the street to a bar,

0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:18.759
<v Speaker 4>got a few drinks, talked for a little bit, and

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 4>then she was very very drunk. So I got her

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.840
<v Speaker 4>an eber home and I came back to your show.

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 4>I snuck back into your second show. Sorry, I can

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 4>bend Moe. I can vendo a year if you want.

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 4>All right, Yeah, snuck back into the second show. Finished

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 4>watching that show, and we texted for a couple A

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 4>little bit after the show. We went and got brunch

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:51.439
<v Speaker 4>Sunday that was really good. But uh, yeah, I think

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 4>she ghosted me, ma'am.

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 2>So you guys went on an old day after the

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 2>show and you got ourn Ober home. That was nice

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of you. And then you guys went out to brunch.

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Sunday after the show, like two sundays ago,

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 4>we went and got brunch, really nice. We had some oistures.

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 2>What did you What did you guys talk about over brunch? Well,

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it's such a that's such a funny way to meet

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>somebody for a date, is like in this very public way.

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, we talked about, like what our interests were. Was

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.799
<v Speaker 4>some of her favorite comedians. You were one of them.

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:43.319
<v Speaker 4>And then another comedian by the name of Randy. We

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 4>talked about where we where we grew up, you know,

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 4>how different our lives are, and it seemed like we

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 4>were really clicking, you know, just world.

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 2>How was the vibe because both of you guys seemed

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>like you were pretty intoxicated, and so you like met

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:11.439
<v Speaker 2>each other drunk and then in the morning you had

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>a brunch and like met each other like sober for

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the first time. What did that How was that vibe?

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I would say the vibe was good. I mean I

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't think it was awkward. I enjoyed myself. Granted I

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 4>did have a couple of momosas while we were at brunch.

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:39.399
<v Speaker 4>But whatever, but uh, I would say it was pretty good.

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 4>I talked her ear off, she talked my ear off,

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 4>ate some delicious oysters. I thought it was a pretty

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 4>good brunch.

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Now you feel as though she has ghosted you.

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:55.799
<v Speaker 4>I do, sadly I do.

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:57.279
<v Speaker 3>M M.

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:00.359
<v Speaker 4>So I know her.

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you said you tag it? What did you text her?

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I texted her last Wednesday and I was asking her

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.480
<v Speaker 4>she was going to be busy this past weekend because

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was gonna go downtown, get go to

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 4>Pike's Marketplace, get some holiday shopping done. And I'd never

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 4>been to the top of the needle before. So I

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.560
<v Speaker 4>went to the top of the needle and I was

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna ask her to tag along. And Wednesday went by,

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Thursday went by, Friday came. I said, don't worry, take

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:43.759
<v Speaker 4>your time to answer. Saturday came and went, Sunday came

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 4>and went, and it still is on delivered.

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So you know, Dylan, I'll say a few things. First

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.240
<v Speaker 2>of all, you know, listen, you had yourself just for

0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 2>for whatever you know, yes, she it did. It didn't

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.720
<v Speaker 2>end in you know, eternal love, but for whatever it's worth,

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.040
<v Speaker 2>this date and this time you had uh with this

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 2>person that you met at the show. Hold on after sneeze.

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Okay, we'll cut that, or maybe we'll

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 2>keep it in.

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, keep it, keep it?

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 2>You think I should keep it in?

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 4>I do, I really do. The people should hear.

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:36.879
<v Speaker 2>For whatever it's worth. I think you had a very

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 2>interesting experience, like meeting this person at the show, getting

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>to know them, all that stuff. You know, it seems

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 2>like you had a good time. And if that those

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 2>drinks and holding hands in the lobby and the brunch

0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:58.160
<v Speaker 2>afterwards was all you really got out of that moment,

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I say, appreciate that for what it was. You know,

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you had a nice time. It doesn't it didn't turn

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 2>into eternal love, except that you had a nice time.

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 2>The moment was good. It didn't. It gave it gave

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to you what it had to give. You know what

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. And I wouldn't spend so much time fixating

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>on it because you know that girl you have. We

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 2>have no idea, no idea what is going on in

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 2>her life. We got no idea she's feeling. We have

0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>no idea of her not responding to you has anything

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to do with you, and even if it does, it

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. It's like there's so much to assume that

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 2>any kind of assumption is is unproductive. So if I

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>were you, I would I would I would find a

0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>way to move on with my life and and appreciate

0:57:58.320 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 2>those moments for what they were.

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 4>That's that's fair. Yeah, I mean definitely top ten stories

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<v Speaker 4>of my life, just the whole situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, see, I mean that's the thing is like

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<v Speaker 2>the story of it, the situation of it in and

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<v Speaker 2>of itself was a valuable thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you learn.

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<v Speaker 4>Gain valuable knowledge?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you learn doing?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, keep expectations open. You never know who might

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<v Speaker 4>say they're into cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Here's what we'll do next time I do

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<v Speaker 2>a get day where I'm setting you up. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>it worked once, it'll work again.

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<v Speaker 4>It's did.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. When we come back to Seattle. When I

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<v Speaker 2>come I'm gonna come coming back to Seattle next year,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do something. I'll bring you back. We'll tell the story,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put you on and we'll put your date on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll give you your please wear the whole. If you

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<v Speaker 2>wear please wear the whole cowboy outfit. We'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this.

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<v Speaker 4>Idea absolutely, put it in the calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else I want to say to the people of

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<v Speaker 2>the computer before we go to him.

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<v Speaker 4>Be abby, be well, save a horse, ride a cowboy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, sir, thank you. That's cool. I like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that somebody I like the idea that two people

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<v Speaker 2>went alone to my show and then went on a

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<v Speaker 2>little adventure. I was doing my meet and greet, and

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<v Speaker 2>this actually happened in a bunch of cities where somebody

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, like two people would be in It

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<v Speaker 2>would be like in the line, I'd be like, are

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<v Speaker 2>you guys here together? And they'd be like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually we just met. We both came alone. And that

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<v Speaker 2>that ship made me so happy because I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking go to shows by myself all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I do ship by myself all the time, and like

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<v Speaker 2>like to meet people when I go and do shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And the idea that other people go alone and they

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<v Speaker 2>meet people at my ship is fire. We'll we'll get We'll,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll redeem, We'll redeem my boy. We'll we'll, we'll get it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll we'll find this cowboy some love, We'll make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.

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<v Speaker 2>Never Beacon goes to it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Teaching you Cloud and Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not really an expert.