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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Hi, is this wild?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Who's this?

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Speaker 1: This is Natalie?

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Speaker 2: How are you? How are you? Natalie?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. Greg? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm feeling a lot better. I was really

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Speaker 2: feeling horrible yesterday, and today I'm feeling much better. I'm

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Speaker 2: still on the I'm still in the eternal pursuit for

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Speaker 2: the answers, you know, But I and I think every

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Speaker 2: day I get a little bit closer to some form

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Speaker 2: be any kind of final answer. But anyway, that's what

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Speaker 2: that's that's me. What's what's up with you? Man? What

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Speaker 2: is it that you called in to talk about? If anything?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I told the call screener that I put my daughter

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Speaker 1: up for adoption and my therapist actually has her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how old is you?

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Speaker 4: Was?

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Speaker 2: How old was you? I tell me, tell me the story.

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Speaker 2: What happens.

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Speaker 1: So my daughter is about six months old. When it happened,

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Speaker 1: it was back in January last year, and I was

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Speaker 1: like going through a lot of like postpartum depression, not

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Speaker 1: anything like too serious. I was just questioning my own

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Speaker 1: So you know, I talked to her, got her professional opinion.

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Speaker 1: She thought the whole situation was sketchy just because of

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Speaker 2: She wanted you to.

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Speaker 1: What to get your daughter back, to start pursuing to

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Speaker 2: So, okay, you gave your daughter up for adoption to

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Speaker 1: Well, I had a last court case and basically where

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Speaker 1: everything is kind of finalized, everything did happen really fast.

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Speaker 1: So that part was like a really really big red flag.

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Speaker 1: And that's what made me my attorney sorry, wanted to pursue,

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's start from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: It says here that you're twenty two. Yes, okay, was

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Speaker 2: what were your thoughts about that?

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Speaker 1: So when I was pregnant, when I found out I

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that purpose, it's sort of like you adapted

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Speaker 1: Preferred not to be involved. He's coxic, kind of narcissistic.

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Speaker 1: No, he's complicated. He's all over the place when it

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you have the kid. Uh how does it

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Speaker 1: So I only have like visitations. So when I do go,

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Speaker 2: So I'm talking about I know that I know that

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Speaker 1: I was I was obsessed with her, like, I was

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Speaker 2: But okay, and then tell me, over the course of

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Speaker 1: So I have a memory disorder, and there were certain times,

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Speaker 2: Okay, see, you you made a very adult decision to

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Speaker 1: Give them up financially or eventually.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, and that's a mature decision to make.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of negative feedback on it, a

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Speaker 2: System, why did you tell me what your friend that had? Okay,

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Speaker 1: They thought that me and my daughter should be together.

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Speaker 1: I was pursuing to get her back, but then you know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So now here's what's weird to me, and I'm

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Speaker 2: assume you said, how long have you been seeing your

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Speaker 1: I've had my therapist therapist since I was fifteen years old, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen, okay, so a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's like another like parental figure for me.

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Speaker 1: I was mostly worried about, like my my baby, daddy's

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Speaker 1: Like my therapist, like she was great. She was telling me,

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Speaker 1: you can't do it, like don't listen to what other

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Speaker 2: Okay, And then I how does she how does she

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Speaker 2: then adopt your baby? You talk to like like your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had to actually uh do like more paperwork.

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Speaker 1: But like legally she couldn't still be my therapist and

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Speaker 1: have my daughter as well as her mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, there seems to me

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of conflict of interest, conflicts of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was the whole issue with court too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so are you still so now? Who is in

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Speaker 2: possession of the child? Is it your therapist?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still my therapist.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And did you find a new therapist?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Can I ask you what your new therapist's opinion?

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's your real what's your new

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Speaker 2: therapist's opinion on this entire situation? What have theyd my.

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Speaker 1: So, the therapist that has my daughter, she referred me

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Speaker 1: to the therapists I have now. They they work together

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Speaker 1: at a rehab I went to when I was really young.

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Speaker 1: That's how I met the original therapist.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I knew.

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Speaker 1: I know who this like therapist is since like twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't like what is the what is what

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Speaker 1: Yes. So I was actually adopted myself, and one of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think it's a good thing

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's next for you? Natalie? Are you in school?

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Speaker 2: Do you work? What? Tell me about your life? Because

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Speaker 1: What do you I am? I'm still I'm still figuring

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Speaker 2: Mhm. Do you have a lot of friends and family?

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Speaker 2: Do you like your new therapist I do, Okay, Natalie,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what to do. But

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Speaker 2: there's just a lot of so many conflicts of interest here.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling before we go, Allison? How are

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 1: I mean, not not terrible, not not amazing, just content.

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Speaker 1: You know, I tried to stay optimistic about as much

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, good, Allison. Is there any other like aspect

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Speaker 2: it's it's Natalie.

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Speaker 1: Actually, it's Natalie. Actually, but.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling Natalie.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Lyle. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 5: Have a go on, bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Let me think for two seconds. I don't sometimes I

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Speaker 2: I think that sounds like a much better way to go.

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Speaker 2: That's some heavy shit. Sometimes I don't have anything else

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Speaker 2: But I hope her daughter. I don't I don't know

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Speaker 2: I don't know what growing up in an environment like

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Speaker 2: that's a lot. Thanks for sharing your story, Natalie jak

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Speaker 2: bless you. Hello, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: What's your name?

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Speaker 8: I am Aiden?

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Speaker 2: Aiden? What's going on with you?

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Speaker 8: Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Much?

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Speaker 8: So I called in because I need help with something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hit me.

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Speaker 8: So, I just don't understand how people can do like

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Speaker 8: We just we can't do it. We can't stand the embarrassment.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know what we have to do?

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Speaker 2: What what kind of what kind of pranks are you

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Speaker 8: So so well, you know, like I don't know, just

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Speaker 8: just like weird ship, embarrassed and ship and I'm here,

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Speaker 8: my friend you can what.

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Speaker 2: How do you? How do you even? Okay, let me

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Speaker 2: talk to your friend, but like you take me up

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, hella, this is Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hi, right, Ryan? What Ryan? What pranks are you

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Speaker 2: and your friends doing in Walmart?

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Speaker 6: So basically there's a there's a lot of guys like, uh,

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Speaker 6: I don't know what consuratively a YouTube and a full crumb.

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Speaker 2: I've yeah, I've seen, I've seeing the genre that you're discussing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he will go into like Walmarts and other

451
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Speaker 6: like I don't know, food establishments and stuff, and he'll

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Speaker 6: just like he'll just rip a blinker like on his

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Speaker 6: cart and then just going.

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Speaker 1: Like, what does you do you want?

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Speaker 2: What is what does a blinker mean?

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Speaker 6: Ripping a blinker like on a like on a cart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I don't know what that means. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let me all right, let me okay. You guys are

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Speaker 2: trying to make videos, right, so you're going into public

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Speaker 2: and you're afraid.

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Speaker 8: Of don't we don't want to make we don't want

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Speaker 8: to make videos.

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Speaker 6: We just want to do it for fun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what are you trying? Because you know, listen, I've

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Speaker 2: asked you, guys, what do you what is it that

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Speaker 2: you want to do? And you you haven't given me

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Speaker 2: an answer, and I'm having how are you unable to

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Speaker 2: do a thing that don't even know what the thing is?

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Speaker 6: Because it's not the It's not that's not the issue were having.

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Speaker 6: It's more about getting over the embarrassment.

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Speaker 2: Of it, Yes, the embarrassment of doing what.

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Speaker 8: Well, So, like, would you go out? I mean, I

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Speaker 8: mean I don't know if you would. All right, So

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Speaker 8: you've never watched like pranks like in public and Walmart

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Speaker 8: like on you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've watched guys have watched pranks in public and Walmart.

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Speaker 2: But I'm asking you what it is that you specifically

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Speaker 2: are trying to do? You know, I if you, if

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Speaker 2: you if you don't even know what it is, you're

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Speaker 2: too embarrassed to do that. You don't know that you're

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Speaker 2: too embarrassed to do it.

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Speaker 8: So like we'll go in and like, I can't think

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Speaker 8: of the specific one right now, I don't I don't know, Like, well,

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Speaker 8: give me an example of a prank see on YouTube TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'm asking I want to know from you. Okay,

486
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: let me Yeah, I'm we're gonna reverse engineer this. Okay,

487
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: who am I talking to? Ryan, Aiden and Aden? What

488
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Speaker 2: are you hoping to get out of doing this?

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Speaker 4: Just satisfaction?

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Speaker 8: I mean, like, yeah, we're not making it. We don't

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Speaker 8: want to make any videos. But it's just like something

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Speaker 8: fun to do because like where we're from, like there's

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Speaker 8: nothing really to do when we hang out, so it's

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Speaker 8: just I don't know what's gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you guys? What do you guys want

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Speaker 2: to do? You say that there's nothing to do where

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Speaker 2: you're from, but you have the agency to go where

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Speaker 2: you want and do what you want. What is it

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Speaker 2: that you want to do?

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Speaker 8: Go to Walmart and do weird stuff?

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Speaker 2: Okay? What kind of weird stuff do you want to

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Speaker 2: do with Walmart?

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Speaker 8: Mm hmm, like go up to people and asking your questions,

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Speaker 8: have them talking to Mike.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here I can give you my take on that.

506
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be helpful to you guys.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 2: Here. I do stuff in public, I film that in public,

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Speaker 2: and my philosophy is I don't mind doing weird stuff

510
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Speaker 2: in public. I don't even mind other people doing weird

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00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: suff in public. But there's there's two schools of thoughts

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Speaker 2: when it comes to going out in public and doing

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Speaker 2: weird stuff. There are people who do weird things in

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Speaker 2: a very non invasive way, and other people are invited

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Speaker 2: if they desire to participate. That's what I do when

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00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: I go out in public as a gecko, when I

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Speaker 2: set up my stand and people can come and talk

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Speaker 2: to me if they want. And then there are the people.

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Speaker 2: And look, I'm not gonna fully shit on this because

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Speaker 2: there are people who do this, like Eric Andre who

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Speaker 2: I fucking love, that do it well. There are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who don't do it, who do it

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Speaker 2: very annoyingly that I don't like. But but in contrast

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Speaker 2: to setting up a thing and inviting other people to

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Speaker 2: be engaged if it, be engaged in it if they desire,

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Speaker 2: there are people who go out into public and do

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Speaker 2: their thing at people like the fucking guy who takes

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Speaker 2: the to the paper towel roll and puts it up

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Speaker 2: to someone's ear and like whispers into it. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't like I I've been going on on my podcast

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Speaker 2: about not telling people what to do, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: If you really want to go out and do stuff

533
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Speaker 2: in public. If you only go out and do weird

534
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Speaker 2: stuff in public, do it in a way that invites

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Speaker 2: other people to be involved if they want. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, don't go out and do annoying things at people,

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Speaker 2: because then they'll just get pissed off and you're not

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Speaker 2: really doing anything. Like if you want to walk around

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Speaker 2: in a fucking bunny rabbit costume and do and walk

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Speaker 2: around Walmart and do your bunny rabbit then and walk

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Speaker 2: around the town square or Florida or whatever and do

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Speaker 2: your bunny rabbit dance for money, go do that. Do

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Speaker 2: something that invites people into it if they desire, but

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Speaker 2: don't bring people into your tiktoks.

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Speaker 8: All right, all right, I could do that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, I could see that. But now the thing

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Speaker 8: is like I wouldn't have the courage to get into

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Speaker 8: a bunny coss from going home. I'll just feel too embarrassed,

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Speaker 8: Like I'll like, I'd probably be like wear it, but

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't get out of the car I'm walk in.

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Speaker 8: There's something stopping me. So yeah, like a physical barrier

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Speaker 8: stopping me.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, What if your friend did it with you.

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Speaker 8: The same way?

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Speaker 2: Really, you guys both wouldn't do it together. I would

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Speaker 2: challenge you guys do this. You know, you know. It's

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Speaker 2: when I first started doing this, I was afraid to

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Speaker 2: walk around and it got co costume in my neighborhood

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Speaker 2: because I was embarrassed. And now I go to foreign

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Speaker 2: countries and walk around and I don't really bat and

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Speaker 2: I feel very comfortable. The only way to get comfortable

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Speaker 2: being embarrassed is to just expose your therapy, your way,

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Speaker 2: do it, your way through it. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I think what you guys are I think the thesis

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Speaker 2: behind what you guys are trying to do, which is

567
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Speaker 2: be more comfortable with yourselves to not mind being embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: I actually think that that's a positive thing to be doing,

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Speaker 2: and you should. You should do it. You should go

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Speaker 2: out in public and your bunny rabbit costume and learn

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Speaker 2: how to not be embarrassed and feel like you're being

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Speaker 2: perceived by people. You should do it. Just don't do

573
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Speaker 2: shit at other people, do you do you understand the difference?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, word.

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Speaker 8: I guess what you meant. It made me feel good

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Speaker 8: from this conversation. I wasn't expecting that. I mean, you

578
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 8: always make everybody feel good from the conversations, but from

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Speaker 8: that topic good.

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Speaker 2: Is there any other No, I think about this a lot.

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Speaker 2: Is there any other aspect of this or anything else

582
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Speaker 2: in particular that you guys want to talk about or

583
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Speaker 2: say to the people the computer before we go?

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Speaker 8: No, you have a great show. Thank you so much.

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: I love you, Thanks man, And yeah, good luck in

586
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: your guys's bunny adventures.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much, you too.

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00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: That's an important distinction, I think, because I have seen

589
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: the videos that they're talking about. I hate I hate

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Speaker 2: a lot of them. I hate the videos where people

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Speaker 2: are like going into Like there's these videos where these

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Speaker 2: kids will go into Walmart and they'll be like filming,

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Speaker 2: and there's a guy and he works at Walmart and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't even know what TikTok is. He's just doing

595
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: his job and he's like, Hey, can you guys quit

596
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: fucking around in the store. And then there he's like,

597
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Speaker 2: can you guys not record me while I'm doing this?

598
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: And the kids are like, we're not recording. This is

599
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: actually just a toy phone. It's not real, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: why this guy? Why? I don't think you should fuck

601
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: with anyone out, but why are you fucking with this guy?

602
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: And then everyone in the comments is like, why is

603
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: this Walmart guy being such a Karen? He's doing his

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Speaker 2: job for God's sakes, Listen. I'm totally game for going

605
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: out in public and doing weird stuff, but that's to me,

606
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: the distinction is, you know, go out in a public

607
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: area and do you I encourage going out in public

608
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: and doing weird stuff, but just don't do it at people.

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00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Do it in a way that invites people to be

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Speaker 2: involved in it if they desire, not you know, running

611
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: up to people with the fuck and paper towel roll

612
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Speaker 2: and screaming in the rear. So that's I guess what

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get through to those guys, because they

614
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Speaker 2: had they it's a good thesis of a thing that

615
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: they're trying to do, But I just hope they do

616
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Speaker 2: it in a good way. I've seen good I've seen

617
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: prank videos done well. The only the only, but also

618
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: there are people who go out and do their thing

619
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: at people. But it's not teenagers on TikTok. It's like

620
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Speaker 2: Eric Andre or fucking Borat or something and I love

621
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: that shit. But if you're a seventeen and you're on TikTok,

622
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: you're not as you're just not as smart as those guys,

623
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Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to do it. Hello. Hello, Hi,

624
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Speaker 2: who is this?

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Speaker 7: My name is Sydney.

626
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Speaker 2: Sydney, what's uh? What's going on with you?

627
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: So?

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00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 7: Basically, my boyfriend and I had been together, well we're

629
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 7: still already other for about like eight months, but like

630
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 7: two months ago, I like caught him just kind of

631
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 7: in like a like trail of lies, and it then

632
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Speaker 7: since then, like I kind of accused him of cheating

633
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Speaker 7: on me. And then since then though, he's like treated

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Speaker 7: me so differently, and there's been so many things that

635
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Speaker 7: I've just noticed that he does. And all my friends,

636
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 7: you know, are like, it's bad, you should break up

637
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 7: with him, But in my mind, I feel like I'm

638
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 7: just like overreacting, and I just wanted some advice.

639
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: You said you caught him in a trail of lies?

640
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

641
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Speaker 7: So it was just like one night we were hanging

642
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Speaker 7: out with some people and these two girls came over

643
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Speaker 7: and we're like twenty he's twenty two, And these girls

644
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Speaker 7: came over and they said they're eighteen and all these things,

645
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Speaker 7: and I didn't think much of it. And so then

646
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Speaker 7: they were like, oh, if you were over last night,

647
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Speaker 7: and I was never told that, like they were over

648
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Speaker 7: last night. And then when I like called him out

649
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Speaker 7: on it, he like just didn't like said it didn't happen,

650
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Speaker 7: wasn't true, And then he switched out saying like, oh

651
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Speaker 7: it did, but I just didn't.

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Speaker 1: Tell you.

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: He had he had girls over that you didn't know about.

654
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't know them. He said that he knew them,

655
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Speaker 7: and like, to me, that still wasn't like that bad

656
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Speaker 7: because I was like, oh, like I wouldn't stop him

657
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Speaker 7: from like hanging out with.

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Speaker 2: People, and tell me about the thing in your mind

659
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Speaker 2: that you observed about the situation that is really alarming you.

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Speaker 7: It was the fact of like I don't know the

661
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 7: fact that they're eighteen and he's twenty two, which is

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Speaker 7: like odd, like how do you know them? And I

663
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 7: wasn't like I wasn't like in a way like I

664
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 7: didn't come back and like saying he was cheating on me.

665
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 7: But the second it was brought up, he got like

666
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 7: super defensive and he and that's what set me to

667
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: like thinking it was something different because I wasn't even

668
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 7: that upset about it, and then he just became so

669
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 7: defensive over it and likes, he is so defensive.

670
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: You said he's been treating you differently. In what way

671
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: do you observe he's treating you differently?

672
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 7: He has always just done so nice, and then after

673
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 7: that incident, he would just he is mean to me,

674
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 7: like for no reason. But then like if I say something,

675
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 7: he fallows oxic. I'm just joking, but like he never

676
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 7: really joked like that before, and then.

677
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: Hold on him.

678
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so Sidney, listen, aside from uh racking our heads

679
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: around perceived evidence of something that we're pretty sure happened,

680
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: but we're thinking about whether or not we're aside from that, like,

681
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: take strip everything away and just answer me, are you

682
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: are you feeling like being in this relationship is a

683
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: positive thing for you in your life.

684
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 7: The way that I see it, I mean, most of

685
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 7: the time it's good and it's good, and then it's

686
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 7: just the moments when it's bad, it's like super bad.

687
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 7: He just is so mean, and it's hard to just say,

688
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 7: like I don't feel like it's positive because it is sometimes,

689
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 7: but I just I can never tell if the positive

690
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 7: outweighs the negative of it.

691
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: Okay, h tell me more about the positive of it.

692
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: What is it? What is it doing for you beneficially

693
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: to your life to be in this in this relationship.

694
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 7: I mean, he makes me happy when it's good. I

695
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 7: feel like him and I are very similar. We just

696
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 7: enjoy the same things. Every conversation is always good, and

697
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 7: he's always there for me when I need him.

698
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: He said, you guys have been dating for you. But

699
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: then there's yeah, and like, no, keep going there.

700
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: Okay.

701
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say the main one of the

702
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 7: other evidence like that I found was like there was

703
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 7: like a bra that was found in the apartment and

704
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 7: people accused it of being mine, but like it wasn't mine,

705
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 7: and I like that was suspicious to me. And it's

706
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 7: like he has roommates also, so it's not like it

707
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 7: could be one of theirs. And then he said that

708
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 7: like he was out of condoms, and I knew like

709
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 7: how many he had before that, but then he did

710
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 7: They're like, oh, like I gave it to friend, but

711
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 7: my one friend has hooked up with another one of

712
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 7: his friends that he said that he gave it to

713
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: and like he didn't like ever use condoms with her.

714
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: That could have changed, but it was it was recently, Sinney,

715
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: It sounds like this whole thing is stressing you out

716
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: a lot.

717
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: It is stressing me out a lot.

718
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: Okay, how often? How often to that the same month relationship? Like,

719
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: think about the feelings of stress that you're feeling right now,

720
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: forget about the just forget about the facts, and we're gonna,

721
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna do the feelings here, this feeling

722
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: of stress of did this happen? And is this all

723
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: these like you? Is that something you felt recurringly throughout

724
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: these past eight months, not in the beginning?

725
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 7: Is the recent like past two months?

726
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: Okay, does the stress that you're feeling right now feel

727
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: like it it is worth it to to continue being

728
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: in this relationship.

729
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 7: In the beginning, it didn't. But the more that I

730
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 7: sit on it, I feel like almost like I gaslight

731
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 7: myself and just like being like it's not where I

732
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 7: think and I'm not upset about it, but I think

733
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 7: I am still upset about it, m and I feel more.

734
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Just like, no, please keep going. How do you feel?

735
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 7: I was just gonnay, I feel more like I just

736
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 7: try to ignore it and push it aside so much

737
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 7: now that I'm like, oh, just okay with it.

738
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. The whole thing about gas lighting yourself

739
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: and in really any situation, it's very hard to tell.

740
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Am I overreacting to this or right? As you said,

741
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: are you gaslighting yourself? I don't. I don't know, and

742
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm thinking about this,

743
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: and to me, the the facts of what happened is

744
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: less important as the bottom line of is being in

745
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: this relationship making your life better or worse? That's the

746
00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: That's the bottom line here. And you know, again, I'm

747
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: not going to tell you what to do, but I

748
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: think you should meditate on your field. Okay. What else

749
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: is going on in your life?

750
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 7: By the way, Well, I just like moved and I

751
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 7: have a new job now, and like have been through

752
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 7: a lot of change in the last like two weeks.

753
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, is it positive? Is a change that you're

754
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: excited about?

755
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: Yeah? And I'm like very proud of myself a lot

756
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 7: of the time from it too.

757
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, So so there are other things in your

758
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: life aside from this relationship that are making you feel

759
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: good about being alive. Yeah, okay, it's great to hear.

760
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: Because again I'm I gonna tell you what to do,

761
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: but I think you should. Let me put it like this.

762
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: You should take everything. Take all the aspects of your life, uh,

763
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: the news, place that you're in, your friends, your job,

764
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: this guy, your fucking dog, your hobbies, take put take,

765
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: lay them all out on the table and do a

766
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: little housekeeping and say, which of these things are positively

767
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: adding to my life, Which of these things do I

768
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: want to continue to invest my time and energy into,

769
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: And then which are negatively impacting me and maybe are

770
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: not worth uh investing my time and energy further into

771
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: and clean clean house a little bit.

772
00:47:49,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 7: Yeah that sounds good. Okay, good, It feels more beneficial

773
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 7: to think of it that way. Then, like I don't know,

774
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 7: obviously my friends are insulated, like you know, just break

775
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 7: up with him and all that.

776
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: So well, because here's why, here's why I don't want

777
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm thinking about this and fucking people can

778
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: go back and listen to phone calls that I've made him.

779
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: I'll price slip up in the future. I'm thinking about

780
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: like you know, I I think you should arrive at

781
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: your own destination of what you feel like you should do.

782
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: And I think if I could give you that, I mean,

783
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: that framework of thinking about it, you know, do that

784
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: and see what comes out of it.

785
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you so much.

786
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: For sure, man, Sydney, is anything else you want to

787
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: say to the people of the computer before we go?

788
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 8: Okay, this is Isabella.

789
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm Sidny's friend. I'm forced her to call. I just

790
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: want to say I love my friends. Shout out to

791
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: Killow and please come to Florida on torgan. I mean

792
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: it's my but Orlando or Campa please.

793
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Oh shit, Well I am going back to Florida. I'm

794
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: going to Miami. All right, we'll consider we'll consider Tampa.

795
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 5: I'll think about Tampa.

796
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we'll think about it. We'll think about it.

797
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: Thank you guys very much. Man, I'll hopefully see you

798
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: around the universe. I've been something sometimes I really want

799
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: to tell people what to do. I've been thinking about

800
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: it a lot. I've been thinking about this and if

801
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: I could just ignot like, I don't want to say

802
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: things that people can then go back and look at

803
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: how I've responded to calls in the past and go, well,

804
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: you did this. I know, I know if I'm trying

805
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: to see how deep I can get into a call

806
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: with actually even telling anybody what to do, because what

807
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: the fuck do I know about what people who I've

808
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: talked to for five minutes should do with their live

809
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: But I hope that Sydney makes the decision that leads

810
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: her to a greater well being in the future, I'll

811
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: say that, Oh wait, shit, fuck, I gotta do this. Dylan, Dylan,

812
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: I saw I saw you. I saw your call, and

813
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: it says here that you were at the Seattle show.

814
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: I I do these live shows for you know context.

815
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: I do live shows where I bring people on stage

816
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: and talk with them, and you were at one of them.

817
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: It says here, and you were on stage as the

818
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: Cowboy and I remember you.

819
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first one on stage for the first show.

820
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you called in because I remember we

821
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: talked on stage about you being a cowboy. And then uh,

822
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: this girl came on after you and she was talking

823
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: about she was having these like relationship issues and I

824
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: said to her, I was like, what kind of guy

825
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: do you want to be with? And then she looks

826
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: at you. You're sitting back in the crowd and she says,

827
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: a cowboy.

828
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 4: That is exactly how it played.

829
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: Out, okay. And then after the show someone, someone came

830
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: up to me and they were like, Yo, remember the

831
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: two people that you interviewed. I just saw them in

832
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: the lobby holding hands with each other. And I was like, well,

833
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: all right, cool fucking making little gecko babies here. So

834
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: tell me your perspective of that situation.

835
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, Well, after you ran off the stage for

836
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: the first show, I went over and you know, I

837
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: still had the alcohol on me who was taking care

838
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 4: of my concussion, so still had that confidence. But we

839
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 4: went and we went across the street to a bar,

840
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: got a few drinks, talked for a little bit, and

841
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: then she was very very drunk. So I got her

842
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 4: an eber home and I came back to your show.

843
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: I snuck back into your second show. Sorry, I can

844
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: bend Moe. I can vendo a year if you want.

845
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, snuck back into the second show. Finished

846
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: watching that show, and we texted for a couple A

847
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: little bit after the show. We went and got brunch

848
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 4: Sunday that was really good. But uh, yeah, I think

849
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: she ghosted me, ma'am.

850
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: So you guys went on an old day after the

851
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: show and you got ourn Ober home. That was nice

852
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: of you. And then you guys went out to brunch.

853
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Sunday after the show, like two sundays ago,

854
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 4: we went and got brunch, really nice. We had some oistures.

855
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: What did you What did you guys talk about over brunch? Well,

856
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: it's such a that's such a funny way to meet

857
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: somebody for a date, is like in this very public way.

858
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: Well, we talked about, like what our interests were. Was

859
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 4: some of her favorite comedians. You were one of them.

860
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: And then another comedian by the name of Randy. We

861
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 4: talked about where we where we grew up, you know,

862
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 4: how different our lives are, and it seemed like we

863
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: were really clicking, you know, just world.

864
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: How was the vibe because both of you guys seemed

865
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: like you were pretty intoxicated, and so you like met

866
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 2: each other drunk and then in the morning you had

867
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: a brunch and like met each other like sober for

868
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: the first time. What did that How was that vibe?

869
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 4: I would say the vibe was good. I mean I

870
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: didn't think it was awkward. I enjoyed myself. Granted I

871
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 4: did have a couple of momosas while we were at brunch.

872
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 4: But whatever, but uh, I would say it was pretty good.

873
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: I talked her ear off, she talked my ear off,

874
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: ate some delicious oysters. I thought it was a pretty

875
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: good brunch.

876
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: Now you feel as though she has ghosted you.

877
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 4: I do, sadly I do.

878
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: M M.

879
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: So I know her.

880
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you tag it? What did you text her?

881
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: I texted her last Wednesday and I was asking her

882
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: she was going to be busy this past weekend because

883
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: you know, I was gonna go downtown, get go to

884
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: Pike's Marketplace, get some holiday shopping done. And I'd never

885
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: been to the top of the needle before. So I

886
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: went to the top of the needle and I was

887
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: gonna ask her to tag along. And Wednesday went by,

888
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: Thursday went by, Friday came. I said, don't worry, take

889
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 4: your time to answer. Saturday came and went, Sunday came

890
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: and went, and it still is on delivered.

891
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: So you know, Dylan, I'll say a few things. First

892
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 2: of all, you know, listen, you had yourself just for

893
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: for whatever you know, yes, she it did. It didn't

894
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 2: end in you know, eternal love, but for whatever it's worth,

895
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: this date and this time you had uh with this

896
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: person that you met at the show. Hold on after sneeze.

897
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, we'll cut that, or maybe we'll

898
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: keep it in.

899
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, keep it, keep it?

900
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: You think I should keep it in?

901
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 4: I do, I really do. The people should hear.

902
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: For whatever it's worth. I think you had a very

903
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: interesting experience, like meeting this person at the show, getting

904
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 2: to know them, all that stuff. You know, it seems

905
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: like you had a good time. And if that those

906
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: drinks and holding hands in the lobby and the brunch

907
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: afterwards was all you really got out of that moment,

908
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: I say, appreciate that for what it was. You know,

909
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: you had a nice time. It doesn't it didn't turn

910
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: into eternal love, except that you had a nice time.

911
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: The moment was good. It didn't. It gave it gave

912
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: to you what it had to give. You know what

913
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I wouldn't spend so much time fixating

914
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: on it because you know that girl you have. We

915
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: have no idea, no idea what is going on in

916
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: her life. We got no idea she's feeling. We have

917
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: no idea of her not responding to you has anything

918
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: to do with you, and even if it does, it

919
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It's like there's so much to assume that

920
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: any kind of assumption is is unproductive. So if I

921
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: were you, I would I would I would find a

922
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: way to move on with my life and and appreciate

923
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: those moments for what they were.

924
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: That's that's fair. Yeah, I mean definitely top ten stories

925
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: of my life, just the whole situation.

926
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, see, I mean that's the thing is like

927
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: the story of it, the situation of it in and

928
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: of itself was a valuable thing.

929
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: Learned a lot.

930
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: What did you learn.

931
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 4: Gain valuable knowledge?

932
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: What did you learn doing?

933
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 4: You know, keep expectations open. You never know who might

934
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: say they're into cowboys.

935
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: You know. Here's what we'll do next time I do

936
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: a get day where I'm setting you up. All right,

937
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: it worked once, it'll work again.

938
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 4: It's did.

939
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: All right. When we come back to Seattle. When I

940
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: come I'm gonna come coming back to Seattle next year,

941
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: we'll do something. I'll bring you back. We'll tell the story,

942
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: we'll put you on and we'll put your date on stage.

943
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: We'll give you your please wear the whole. If you

944
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: wear please wear the whole cowboy outfit. We'll do it again.

945
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: I love this.

946
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: Idea absolutely, put it in the calendar.

947
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: Anything else I want to say to the people of

948
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: the computer before we go to him.

949
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: Be abby, be well, save a horse, ride a cowboy.

950
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, thank you. That's cool. I like the

951
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: idea that somebody I like the idea that two people

952
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: went alone to my show and then went on a

953
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: little adventure. I was doing my meet and greet, and

954
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: this actually happened in a bunch of cities where somebody

955
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: would be like, like two people would be in It

956
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: would be like in the line, I'd be like, are

957
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: you guys here together? And they'd be like, well, I

958
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: actually we just met. We both came alone. And that

959
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: that ship made me so happy because I was like, dude,

960
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 2: I fucking go to shows by myself all the time.

961
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: I do ship by myself all the time, and like

962
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: like to meet people when I go and do shit.

963
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: And the idea that other people go alone and they

964
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: meet people at my ship is fire. We'll we'll get We'll,

965
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: we'll redeem, We'll redeem my boy. We'll we'll, we'll get it.

966
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: We'll we'll find this cowboy some love, We'll make it happen.

967
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.

968
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: Never Beacon goes to it.

969
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: And I was.

970
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: Teaching you Cloud and Ben.

971
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: He's not really an expert.