1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh here we go, We are loaded today. 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You know, a lot 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: of times you'll hear people say, well, you know, the 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: these teams they I mean, they're just they don't know 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: how to draft quarter Twelve of the fourteen playoff quarterbacks 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: our first round quarterbacks, and the best one left is 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. That's why, as I peruse the playoff matchups 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: this weekend, one team cannot lose until maybe they get 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. That's Buffalo. Here's the bad news. 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Last eight road playoff games, Buffalo is h to eight, 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: not all of those on Sean McDermott all the playoff 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: games this weekend. Only one team is not allowed to 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: lose Buffalo or the Domino effect starts. Kevin Stefanski don't 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: take a job yet, and the excuse for Buffalo has 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: been well, there's Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow neither made 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's bad enough that you lost your division 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: to Drake May and Mike Vrabel, and it was Rabel's 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: first year taking over a team that is still in 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: my opinion, in a rebuild, you can't then lose the 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: AFC to potentially Liam Cohen taking over the wobbly Jacksonville 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Jaguars and Sean McDermott can coach. He has a higher 36 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: winning percentage, believe it or not, than Belichick and Andy Reid. 37 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: Sean McDermott can coach. 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: But the downside to having a generational quarterback talent like 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: an l Way or a Peyton Manning or a Josh 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Allen is the new standard is January. That's the new standard. 41 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: So there's a saying great power comes with great responsibility 42 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Great quarterbacks create great responsibility. It is 43 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott's responsibility to be completely buttoned up and win 44 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: a road playoff game over a team, frankly Jacksonville that 45 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: is better than you this year. I was looking this 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: morning at the most consecutive seasons of ten plus wins 47 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: NFL all time. The Bills are now fifth, and they're 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: the only team that has not reached a super Bowl 49 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: in that seven year stretch. Not only is every other 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: team when they have these stretches been to a super Bowl. 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Six of the seven have won a super Bowl. Buffalo 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: hasn't reached it. And Josh Allen leads the NFL in 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: yards in playoff history. Think about that, most yards in 54 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: playoff history. It is averaging, not total averaging? Is Josh 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Allen never been to a Super Bowl? So losing to 56 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Burrow, okay, that's a reason. You can't lose 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: to Bonnicks. You can't lose to Drake May. You can't 58 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: lose to Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: You can't. It doesn't matter. You can't. 60 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: Twelve of fourteen playoff teams have first round quarterbacks. You 61 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: have the best one. Here's Sean McDermott on the Weekend ahead. 62 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: You don't take them for granted. 63 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 5: Let's just start there. 64 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 6: But at the same time, the experiences I've been here, 65 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 6: we've been here, and so that comes with I guess 66 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 6: it brings some level of called seasoning, and you would 67 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 6: hope poise and composure as we prepare this week and 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 6: go through our process. 69 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 5: Like anything else, you learn from experience. 70 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So I had mentioned there's a lot of coaching openings. 71 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: J MAC will have more of those in twelve to 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. I said this yesterday, and I have a 73 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: little company, and I don't like to fire people. 74 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: I really don't. 75 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a spot almost always somewhere a company 76 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: for people. 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: But you can always tell. 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: I was told this years and years and years ago 79 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: by a boss I had, like thirty years ago. He said, 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: you can always tell if you made a mistake when 81 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: you let somebody go, based on how the job market reacts. 82 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: So Cleveland fires Kevin Stefanski, in my opinion, mistake. According 83 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: to Adam Schefter, the Falcons, Giants, and Titans top of 84 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: their list. Yeah, Cleveland just screwed up again. Can't get 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: the right quarterback fire the wrong coach. So five years 86 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: in a row I have made a pick. I call 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: it a double yr win total team and if not double, 88 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the most improved team Vikings in twenty twenty two. I 89 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: got that right rams the year after a Washington in 90 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: Denver a couple of years ago. This year I had 91 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: New England double your win total. Most improved team would 92 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: be Seattle. So I'm a little bit of a heat. 93 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Not only should Stefanski be the leading candidate if the 94 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: Bills lose, the team I would pick next year double 95 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: your win total would be the New York Giants if 96 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski is hired. That's how highly I think of him. 97 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: So I've gotten it right four or five years and 98 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: teams in a row. The Giants with Kevin Stefanski would 99 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: have a last play schedule, Jackson Dart Scataboo neighbors Raturns, 100 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas good left tackle again, last play schedule, number 101 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: five pick in the draft. They can manipulate and get 102 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: more picks. This is an absolute layup. Nothing against Mike Kofka, 103 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the interim guy, but you know, I don't like. I 104 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: don't like when teams fire a coach. The interim guy 105 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: comes in and you're like, wow, that looked pretty good. 106 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: It's the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher, right, 107 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: They're more chill than the previous teacher, more chill than 108 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: the previous coach. Not as harsh. Yeah, Mike kaff is 109 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: not The answer could be a someday. I don't think 110 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: this is a space and people can say, well, Colin, 111 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: you thought Pete Carroll was going to work in Las Vegas. Yeah, 112 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: I thought Pete Carroll was a solid choice. It should 113 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: be noted I picked the Raiders to finish fourth with 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. I said, they'll still be a last place team, 115 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: but they need like guidance and maturity and stop with 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: the interim stuff. Just go hire a guy that's one big. 117 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. It didn't work. It's a man overboard, but 118 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: I still picked him for fourth. The New York Giants 119 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: have several key components. Like you know, Jackson darts in 120 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the blue tent way more than I like. But when 121 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: you have a number one receiver, a number one left tackle, 122 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: a number one back, a number one quarterback, an excellent 123 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: pass rusher, the number five picks, that's pretty solid. 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: That's pretty solid. 125 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you go look at the teams at the 126 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: top of the draft outside of the team that gets 127 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Mendoza Giants pretty interesting. Here's Joe Shane on their coaching 128 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: vacancy right now in New York. 129 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 7: Each of those franchises brought in new head coaches and 130 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 7: were able to turn it around rather quickly. And you 131 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 7: know Drake Mayson the MVP, you know race right now. 132 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 7: And you know Caleb Williams. We obviously played against him 133 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 7: and has has had a really good year in playing 134 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 7: at a high level. So yeah, that's that's certainly an 135 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 7: opportunity that you look at those franchises and how they 136 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 7: put it together in the quick turnaround and you know. 137 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 5: An ideal world. 138 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be from the people I've talked to, 139 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 7: you know, the consensus, there are a lot of potential 140 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 7: head coaching candidates that are excited about the opportunity here 141 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 7: because of Jackson Dart. 142 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty to forty fifty percent of first round quarterbacks 143 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: that are drafted don't become great franchise quarterbacks. I don't 144 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: know what Jackson Dart's going to become, but no reasonable 145 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: person would deny it's encouraging if he can stay out 146 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: of the blue tent, the Giants first women in Chaos. 147 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: He was kind of encouraging Skataboo neighbors Andrew Thomas, Jackson, 148 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Dart Abdull Carter. It's kind of encouraging. Kevin Stefanski takes 149 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: that job. That is a double your win total team. 150 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: Not saying it's a great team. They're not going to 151 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: turn into New England this year, but they'd be a 152 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: really good team. J Mack, we got all sorts of 153 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: stuff happening, some of it not surprising, one move very surprising. 154 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: And this is such a great time of the year 155 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: starting Thursday. Do you want to just tell them what 156 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: happened in Like Cliff Kingsbury is now mutually decided he 157 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: does not get along with the GM. Adam Peters I've 158 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: been told, yeah, he doesn't necessarily see ey'd eye with 159 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: a GM. And now dan Quinn, this is the downside 160 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: to hiring a defensive coach, and I like dan Quinn, 161 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was a solid hire. Or now you 162 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: lose your offensive coordinator and here's Jayden Daniels all banged up, going, 163 00:09:58,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: who's my coach? 164 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 8: By way, also fire their defensive coordinator. So both coordinators gone. 165 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 8: That usually means hey, head coach, delivered this season or 166 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 8: you're gone. 167 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: I try. 168 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 5: Not good for Jayden Daniels. 169 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: So that's that's what we've always said, hire an offensive coach. 170 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Now there are exceptions. Demiko Ryans came highly touted. Jesse 171 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: Minter with the Chargers. Everybody loves Mike McDaniel was thought 172 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: of as the Sean McVay of defense. There are great 173 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: defensive coaches. But even if you nail that guy, he 174 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: loses his offensive coordinator every couple of years. So you, 175 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean Dan Campbell did a great job this year. 176 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Offensive coordinator didn't work because as well, he had the 177 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: takeover offensive play calling and it disrupted the flow of 178 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: the team. 179 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 5: They'll probably be a line out the door for this job, right. 180 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 8: You want to get in coaching Jayden Daniels because he's 181 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 8: such a superstar. 182 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 5: I wonder where does Cliff Kingsbury land? You think he 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 5: wants to maybe spend the fall in. 184 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: New York Tell I'll tell you I have this as 185 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: well sourced as I can. 186 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 3: I love Cliff. He's not an NFL head coach. 187 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 8: No, No, as EOC If we get Dante Moore in 188 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 8: New York as a quarterback. That excite Cliff Kings living 189 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 8: in New York coaching young don Te King. 190 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: For the Jets does not excite anybody. I mean, it's 191 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: right now, it's the worst situation. 192 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: In the league. It's up there. 193 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say what you want about Tennessee. They 194 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: have cam Ward. 195 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 5: Well, the Raiders are in trouble right now. 196 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,239 Speaker 1: Well, but they get Mendoza. Yes, yeah, I mean everybody 197 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Tennessee has cam Ward. Giants have Jackson Dart. Think what 198 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: you want. Raiders are getting Mendoza. I mean, you can 199 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: say what you want about the Falcons. But Kirk played 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: well at the end. They still have Penix. They're going 201 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: to hire an offensive guy, perhaps Stefanski. Jets are at 202 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: the bottom right now. 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When they win the turnover battle, they win, 223 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: but they're very reliant on it. They're ten and one 224 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: when they win the turnover battle, so if you play clean, 225 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: you can beat them. Most offensive touchdowns and Bears franchise 226 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: history with Caleb led the NFL with eleven touchdown passes 227 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: twenty plus yards down the field, but they disappear offensively 228 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: for entire first halfs. This Packer game is a rough one. 229 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be windy, which plays into the run game 230 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: of Chicago. Great year for the Bears. I put them 231 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: at ten. 232 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: Number nine. 233 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: The Niner Listen brock Purty in the last month one 234 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: hundred and seven passer rating. They're not as good as Seattle. 235 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: Don't punish them too much for losing to Seattle. They 236 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: didn't have Trent Williams and Ricky Pearsall. If they have 237 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: them backed, they're a live underdog against Philadelphia. They have 238 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: lost nine of their last ten games when trailing at halftime. 239 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Some of that is on Kyle Shanahan, who to me 240 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: has always been very tied to his script. He's not 241 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: been a great second half or come from behind coach. 242 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: But if Pearsall and Trent and Kittle are available, that 243 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: game with Philadelphia gets interesting. Niners at nine, number eight. Listen, 244 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: the Bills are good. I don't think they're Super Bowl good. 245 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: They are twelve to zero when scoring twenty one plus points. 246 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: There's a way they win. They lead the NFL in 247 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: big plays in rushing, but that defense twenty eighth against 248 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: the run. They've lost eight straight road playoff games. How 249 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: do you win on the road against the Jacksonville Shut 250 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: him down and take the crowd out. I also worry 251 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: about this team because they're slow starting. When you go 252 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: on the road and face a high powered offense like Jacksonville, 253 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: you do not want to play from behind, and the 254 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Bills make a habit of playing from behind. That's why 255 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I have them at eight. Number seven the Texans. They're 256 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: on a nine game winning streak. Best defense probably easily 257 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: give credit to Nick Cassario. He's drafted the hell out 258 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: of this defense the last three years. But in the 259 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: red zone they're not good. They settle for field goals, 260 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: and I think that will be their undoing. You gotta 261 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: get sevens, not threes. In the red zone. They are 262 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: twenty fourth in yards per play. There's so much I 263 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: like about him. I've always been a huge CJ. Stroud fan. 264 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: That red zone offense they'll settle for threes, not seven, 265 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: will cost him. 266 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: I put them at seven. 267 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: Number six the weird Philadelphia Eagles, who are three and 268 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: four over their last seven games and since Week ten 269 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: have a bottom six offense. 270 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: I mean they're ten. 271 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, when Jalen Hurts is held under two hundred 272 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: yards passing. They're the opposite of what wins in the NFL. 273 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: But their roster is so complete, their defense is so good. 274 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: But even I mean even this, they're five and three 275 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: at home. I don't even know what to make of Philadelphia. 276 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: That's why I have them at six. 277 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: Number five. 278 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: Denver's a great home team, so at least I know 279 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: what they are. They're good in the fourth quarter, they're 280 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: good at home. They're thirteen and on since week four. 281 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Do they have a ceiling with bow knicks? Maybe, but 282 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: he is the first quarterback in the Super Bowl era 283 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: to lead in pass attempts in his first two seasons. 284 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: That tells you that Sean Payton trusts him. It's a 285 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: little like Andrew Luck. We're gonna give you the whole playbook. 286 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: They're also four and two against playoff teams, so they've 287 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: beaten good teams. 288 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: I put them at. 289 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: Five number four. 290 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: The Rams aren't. 291 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Playing great right now, three and three over their last 292 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: six week six weeks. But I love the fact that 293 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: he's got three different guys with seven sacks. I love 294 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: the fact they're playing a Carolina team they lost to 295 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: is a favorite. Devonte Adams comes back now. You can 296 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: beat him downfield. I mean, Carolina's got two big receivers. 297 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: You can beat him downfield. You can. You can beat 298 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: them with big perimeter weapons. That's why Philadelphia is a 299 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: tough matchup for them. But Stafford, the O line, the coach, 300 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: the weapons, I have the Rams at four, number three. 301 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: We got to pay. 302 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Attention to Jacksonville Okay, They're eight to no since Week eleven, 303 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: beating teams by nineteen a game. They're like a dominant 304 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: college team, and three of their four losses have come 305 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: to teams like you can lose to the Seahawks or 306 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: the Texans Ones or the Rams. 307 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: They lose to the right teams. 308 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just They have had really good draft 309 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: picks for a long time. They've missed on the coach, 310 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: but Trevor Lawrence has his king maker. 311 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: I have them at three, number two. 312 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put New England at two because I love Vrabel. 313 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: They've won thirteen or fourteen games, and they are a 314 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: great road team that matters. Mike Frabele third coach to 315 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: win fourteen plus games in his first season. I don't 316 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: love their old line. Their run game is inconsistent. That's 317 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: why I have them at number two, number one. I mean, 318 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: you watch the San Francisco game. Seattle wasted offensive opportunities 319 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: and totally shut down Christian McCaffrey, which I said, that's 320 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: like shutting down Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. 321 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: How do you do that? I like everything. 322 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: I think they're GM's the best personnel guy in the league. 323 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Go look at their last nine picks in the first 324 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: and second round, nine for nine. 325 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: They have a rare. 326 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Combination of a quarterback who's highly productive on a team 327 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: friendly deal, and they don't miss on draft picks. Translation 328 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: stacked roster. It's better than Philadelphia's. Now they're old line 329 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: like New England is. Oh hey, my top two teams 330 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: o lines. By the way, New England and Seattle in 331 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: the draft both will address their old lines. Both address 332 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: the old lines last year in the first round. So 333 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: that's where we are. 334 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays 335 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: and neonon Easter not a em Pacific. 336 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: Well, you knew when he was playing football that he 337 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: was eventually going to broadcast football three Pro Bowls fourteen years, 338 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: greg Olsen, Fox Sports, one of the good guys in 339 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: our business is joining us. 340 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: We'll get to your Hurricanes in just a little bit. 341 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: We'll circle back because they are in college football is 342 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: better when Miami's got swag, and man do they. So 343 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: you had the Dolphins Patriots last weekend and I had 344 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: said before the season I had picked them as my 345 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: double year win total. I said they're going to make 346 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: it as a wild card I thought they'd win nine 347 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: ten games, a lot of it on beating the Dolphins 348 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: and beating the Jets. 349 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 3: I didn't think they'd be this good. 350 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Yes, Rabel and Josh McDaniel are part of it, so 351 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: as Drake May. You did their game last week. Do 352 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: they have the kind of roster that could win a conference? 353 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: Because to this point, I don't think people think that. 354 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: I think people think Vrabel and Drake May and even 355 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: I think they are another draft away on the offensive front. 356 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: When you watch them, do you look and say championship roster. 357 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 11: If you would have asked me three weeks ago, I 358 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 11: think my answer would be a little bit different. 359 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 4: I think I would have been more hesitant. 360 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 11: I spent last week really trying to give them like 361 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 11: an honest evaluation. I know everyone makes a big deal 362 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 11: about their strength of schedule and their division, but after 363 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 11: spending a week studying them, watching what makes them good? 364 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 11: Seeing that run game last week in Week eighteen against 365 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 11: the Dolphins really come to life and they were incredible 366 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 11: Trevion Henderson and Ramondre Stevens, and they ran all over 367 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 11: the place with that passing game, I think the defense 368 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 11: is good where they need to be good. You know, 369 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 11: we talked about on the broadcast last week what's unique 370 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 11: about the defense. Not a lot of stars. They got 371 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 11: Gonzaleses there. Obviously they're one pro bowler on that side. 372 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 11: But you know, they don't take the ball away at 373 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 11: a real high level. They let teams, you know, score 374 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 11: in the red zone. But when you look at it, 375 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 11: they don't give up points. They don't give up explosives. 376 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 11: You don't get to the red zone often when you do, 377 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 11: you score, So they're good where it matters. All of 378 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 11: a sudden, they get into a hot streak of taking 379 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 11: the ball away with that offense, and then the run 380 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 11: game that has more value come postseason than maybe it 381 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 11: does in the regular season. 382 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: And then on top of all that, I think. 383 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 11: The AFC is completely wide open, so I think the 384 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 11: Patriots have that. I can make a strong an argument 385 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 11: that the Patriots make the Super Bowl is probably any 386 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 11: in the entire conference. And that's both a credit to 387 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 11: them and the season that they've had, and also just 388 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 11: kind of the lay of the land there in the AFC. 389 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: I said, there's fourteen teams that make it in everybody 390 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: can lose except Buffalo, and I'm mahomes is out, burrows out, 391 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: Lamar's out. It's a bunch of bone knicks, right May. 392 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: It's like Jacksonville, It's like, okay, guys, you gotta win 393 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: this opening round. And boy did they get a tough matchup. 394 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville's on fire. But I said, here's what would worry me. 395 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: They're a slow starting team that is bad against a 396 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: powerful offense. 397 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: At home. 398 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: They play from behind constantly. I can't figure it out. 399 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Is it a they don't like scripted stuff? How do 400 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: you explain Buffalo being behind in like six of eight 401 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: weeks you've been in You were in this league for 402 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: so long. Most top quarterbacks with winning coaches start strong. 403 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: It's like a rule. 404 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: You have a plan, you have a point of view, 405 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: you're efficient, you've got good personnel. I don't think you 406 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: can win. I don't think they'll beat Jacksonville. What do 407 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: you say to their offensive struggles before half? 408 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 11: Well, I think it's a fascinating kind of deep dive. 409 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 11: And you know, I haven't had Buffalo in a couple 410 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 11: of weeks, so I had them call it three four 411 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 11: weeks ago in that home game, incredible game in the snow. 412 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: Against Cincy and Burrow. 413 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 11: But I think what's unique about Buffalo is it feels 414 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 11: like they've made their offense built for the postseason, right, 415 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 11: So you think years ago, Josh Allen is in the 416 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 11: shotgun and every play the ball's in his hand and 417 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 11: he's running around pretzy design run scramble runs, and then 418 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 11: obviously just operating as a traditional dropback gun passer. Well, 419 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 11: they've made a very conscious decision they said, Okay, in 420 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 11: the postseason, we're run game, and being able to control 421 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 11: the line of scrimmage has a lot more value than 422 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 11: it does maybe in the regular season, where it's a 423 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 11: very passing, offensive driven league until you get into the playoffs. 424 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 11: So James Cook is incredible as good at back in 425 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 11: the league. They're a very good run game, probably the 426 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 11: second best, second most efficient run game in the league, 427 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 11: maybe just behind the Rams. 428 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: That's built for the playoffs. So they've almost taken. 429 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 11: A little bit away from their MVP caliber quarterback because 430 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 11: the ball's not in his hands so much, and it 431 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 11: is a little bit of a more ground and I 432 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 11: don't think they love their perimeter receivers in a traditional 433 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 11: passing game. So it's play action, it's boots and nakeds, 434 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 11: it's rollout passes a little bit more like what we 435 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 11: see from teams that don't have a Josh Allen. But 436 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 11: I think I don't think it's by accident. I think 437 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 11: they've made that decision of saying, listen, he can still 438 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 11: be Superman when we need it. We saw it in 439 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 11: the snow firsthand. Up in Buffalo when they came back 440 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 11: to beat Cincy. He made some just ridiculous plays that 441 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 11: he's probably the only guy in the league that can 442 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 11: make to win you those games. So it's a little 443 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 11: bit by design. They're going to need their defense to 444 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 11: play really well. They're going to need their defense to 445 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 11: go on the road and keep this thing. Because when 446 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 11: you become a run heavy team and you want to 447 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 11: take such a high percentage of your snaps and give 448 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 11: it to the ground game, that's fine, But your ability 449 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 11: to operate in that mentality is only lasts as long 450 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 11: as your defense's ability to keep the score down. 451 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: So playing from behind is fine. 452 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 11: Playing too far from behind gets them out of that mode, 453 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 11: and now it turns into hero ball drop back past, 454 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 11: which I'm not I don't think that's really what they 455 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 11: want to be over long periods of time. 456 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So I think most of us believe it's my 457 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: turn down the sound test. When you turn down the 458 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: volume and just watch Seattle, you're like, man, I remember 459 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: the Carolina team with Cam that got to the Super 460 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Bowl and there was an energy and a speed. It 461 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, these guys they're playing with confidence. That's 462 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: over as good as they are and that it happens. 463 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: You've been there, and I think it's Seattle great. Well, 464 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't love their own line Donald in the playoffs. 465 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I what would. 466 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 3: It worry you at all? That Seattle is. 467 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Really young, Donald doesn't have a lot of playoff experience. 468 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: Or do you just look at them and go, man, 469 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: they've got dudes everywhere. 470 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: They've hit on every draft pick. 471 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Greg, they I don't think they've missed 472 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: on a top draft pick in four or five years. 473 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: How do you view Seattle? What worries you or what doesn't? 474 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think johsh Schneider is in the in the 475 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 11: upper echelon top two or three, him the Howie Roseman's 476 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 11: I mean, you're talking about elite, elite front office talent 477 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 11: evaluators draft picks, and obviously that's the foundation of why 478 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 11: they've had so much success, so they deserve a ton 479 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 11: of credit there as far as and again, I don't 480 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 11: want to sound dramatic here, but if you could, if 481 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 11: you could pick, okay, what style would you like? An 482 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 11: offense and a defense complimentary on one NFL. 483 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: Team, and you can pick, okay, what plays. 484 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 11: In today's modern NFL, it would look very early similar 485 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 11: to both the offense and the defense of Seattle. 486 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 4: What I mean by that is offensively, the fad this year. 487 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 11: You look at the Rams, you look at Seattle, the 488 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 11: top teams, and you say. 489 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 4: Okay, who are they? 490 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 11: They are big bodies, they're two tight ends, multiple backs, 491 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 11: not all this eleven spread everyone outside the numbers drop 492 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 11: back pass crazy. They are a big body, heavy personnel 493 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 11: passing team, and they're gonna run with high volume. But 494 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 11: they're always hot and explosive plays. They're trying to throw 495 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 11: it over your head. 496 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: That's what they are. 497 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 11: Offensively, I would argue that's the best style to play 498 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 11: in today's NFL. And then conversely, on the other side, 499 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 11: the reason offenses are doing this is they want you 500 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 11: to put a bunch of big bodies on the field. 501 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 11: They want you to play with linebackers, and defensive linemen 502 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 11: and not as many debacks. So what does Seattle do 503 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 11: Mike McDonald had. It's built through personnel and just the 504 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 11: talent which he has. They play virtually nickel and dime 505 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 11: the entire time. They do not ever have only four 506 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 11: defensive backs on the field. First down, second down, third 507 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 11: down doesn't matter because they understand the value of defending 508 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 11: the pass and we're going to hold up against the 509 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 11: run with the least amount of people as possible. 510 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: That is the formula of being really good. 511 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 11: They happen to have mastered it and have the people 512 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 11: and the ideology to execute it on both sides. And 513 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 11: that's why I think if you if you put a 514 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 11: gun to my head and said right now, pick one team, 515 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 11: put your life on it, I'm probably between La and Seattle. 516 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 11: And I think Seattle is as well rounded and as 517 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 11: good top to bottom as any team in the playoffs. 518 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you played in Chicago, you love Chicago. Part 519 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: of me thinks, listen, everything goes in stages, and the 520 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: stage this year was save Caleb Stop, you know, eliminate sacks. 521 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't told a lot of picks, but I thought, 522 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: like Ben Johnson's job, we said before the season. I 523 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: don't really care about the record. He can't get sacks 524 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: sixty times. Cut those in half, well, they cut him 525 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: in a third, and he really hasn't told them. So 526 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I almost feel like they kind of overachieve, like they're ahead, 527 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: Like I feel this way with New England and in Chicago, 528 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: like you're a kind of a head of where I 529 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: thought you were. I don't know if they feel that way. 530 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: But if Chicago lost at home to Green Bay, would 531 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: you say, hey, big jump, can't wait for next year? 532 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: Or do you view them now at home? 533 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Quarterback is healthy, better, a line, tremendous weapons. Do you 534 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: view this as a no, this is disappointing if the 535 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: Bears lose at home, I'll be honest. 536 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 11: I think in this playoffs AFC, NFC, you know, would 537 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 11: the Rams probably be disappointing? If the Rams lot again, 538 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 11: it's the game that we're gonna call the Rams. 539 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: You know, are they better than Carolina? 540 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 11: Now? 541 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: Carolina just beat them. 542 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 11: A couple weeks ago, But so you probably could say 543 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 11: across the board, I'm not sure if there's any game 544 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 11: that's just a glaring mismatch. I think you can make 545 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 11: an argument that Green Bay could win. You can make 546 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 11: an argument how Chicago wins home road, same with Philly 547 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 11: and San Franz. I think we could probably go through 548 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 11: that exercise and make legitimate arguments either way. But as 549 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 11: far as Chicago, I said during a preseason game all 550 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 11: the way back in August, when we called their game, 551 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 11: I thought it was the best job in the league 552 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 11: that was available. I thought, hey, they get the best coach, 553 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 11: But I. 554 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 4: Thought there was more wins built into that roster that. 555 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 11: A competent coach and a guy like Ben Johnson, between scheme, ideology, 556 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 11: you know, culture, all the things that he was going 557 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 11: to bring, I thought the roster had a lot of 558 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 11: wins built in. I feel that way a little bit 559 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 11: right now about the New York Giants going forward, Like 560 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 11: there's the talent at the right spots, there's the depth 561 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 11: they've lost that previously they had lost games they should 562 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 11: have won, and a little bit of dysfunction. Now you 563 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 11: look at this year, you could argue that they've maybe overachieved. 564 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: Right, there was wins in there. 565 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 11: There was an inevitable improvement quarterback play, offensive line, both 566 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 11: addition of personnel and scheme and coaching and all that 567 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 11: they're talented at the skill positions. The defense still concerns 568 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 11: me right now, the defense is completely hanging their hat 569 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 11: on taking the ball away one of the best in 570 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 11: the league. That's great until that well drives up and 571 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 11: you actually just have to play on a snap by 572 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 11: snap basis. That concerns me a little bit. But yeah, 573 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 11: I think improvement was inevitable. Did we think it was 574 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 11: going to be this many wins home playoff game? Probably not. 575 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 11: Now next year, could there be a little bit of 576 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 11: a regression? Absolutely, Are they going to lead the league 577 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 11: or be amongst the best in the league and taking 578 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 11: the ball away? History tells us that that's not repeatable. 579 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 11: That's not something that's easily sustainable. So there could be 580 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 11: a regression. But for right now, I think Chicago, like 581 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 11: every wildcard team this weekend, has every has every same 582 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 11: the same argument to win a game as anybody else, 583 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 11: and I think that's what makes this year's playoffs so intriguing. 584 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're going to be at the Miami Hurricane 585 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: Ole miss game. I like Miami in that space. I 586 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: always looked at Miami as a protown with a very small, 587 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: intense a hurricane following, but it was a pro town. 588 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: You know Riley in the heat, d Wade, you know 589 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: the Dolphins shula for years. 590 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: I was surprised. If you'd have. 591 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Told me where who's going to spend a lot of money, 592 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: I would have guessed Oregon with Phil Knight, Notre Dame, 593 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Michigan huge endowments. I would not have guessed Miami would 594 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: step up and just, you know, really go out and 595 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: get aggressive. 596 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: So we know Miami's good. 597 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: Mario Crysto Baal has been one of the top two 598 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: or three recruiters for a decade in the sport. I'm 599 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: surprised as an outsider you went there at how committed 600 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: they have been to it and like functional, like this 601 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: this nil stuff is. I mean, it's a barnyard musical 602 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: like the big collectives. And I am surprised that Miami 603 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: just jumped up and said we're going to be a 604 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: ballplayer here, We're going to commit. Are you surprised by 605 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: that because you were around the program for years. 606 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not surprised because the culture down there in 607 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 4: Miami and from the. 608 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 11: President and the athletic director all the way down through 609 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 11: the entire culture there at the athletic department and just 610 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 11: the faculty in general, like winning matters. 611 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 4: Being a good football program. 612 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 11: At Miami is woven into the identity of the school 613 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 11: to the student body, and you know, it kind of 614 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 11: flies under the radar. 615 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: A little bit because we are a small, little private school. 616 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 11: If you drove down US one, you know, A one 617 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 11: A down in Coral Gables, you might drive right by. 618 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 4: The entrance to the school and not even though it's there. 619 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 11: So it's not one of these huge state schools that 620 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 11: takes over Tuscaloosa or Athens or you know, Gainesville. So 621 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 11: it is a little bit of a different culture, a 622 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 11: little bit of a different vibe down there in South Florida. 623 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 11: But I'll tell you I've known Mario crystal Ball since 624 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 11: I was fifteen years old. He recruited me as a 625 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 11: freshman in high school. I met him at Miami, and 626 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 11: then he recruited me at Rutgers and then ended up 627 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 11: coaching me. He was my ted end coach in college, 628 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 11: so we're very close. I had dinner with him shortly 629 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 11: after he got the job years back, and he was 630 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 11: very clear to the school for him to leave Oregon, 631 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 11: where he pretty much had a blank check to execute 632 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 11: the vision that he wanted to in essence do what 633 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 11: Dan Lanning has continued to do and kept them to 634 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 11: this level. The Oregon had given Mario that level of commitment. 635 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 11: So for him to come to Miami, yes, it was 636 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 11: as all the matter. Yes, it's where he wanted to be. 637 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 11: He was not going to come to Miami without the 638 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 11: full support top to bottom, comprehensively across the board. And 639 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 11: part of that is the nil and the money. And 640 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 11: he got a lot of that guaranteed to him and 641 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 11: on the table, not just as talk. And it was 642 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 11: a big reason not only why he took the job, 643 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 11: but certainly one of the big reasons why they've been 644 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 11: as successful. But make no mistake about it, before you 645 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 11: could pay guys, and it really just became to the 646 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 11: highest bidder. Us Nick saban Us from his time at 647 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 11: FIU like there might not be a better recruiter in 648 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 11: the country than Mario christabal He just happens to now 649 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 11: be the head coach. But the same guy that was 650 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 11: recruiting us as a GA back in the early two thousands, 651 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 11: it's the same guy now recruit and he'll call me 652 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 11: need you know. He's reaching out to everyone and anyone. 653 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 11: He is relentless. He is a tireless worker, and I 654 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 11: couldn't be happier for him. 655 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: For the record, when you played in thefl forever, but 656 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: I bet when you if that game was tied twenty 657 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: eight to twenty eight, you would be so nervous. 658 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 3: Do you when you go watch Miami? Are you a wreck? 659 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 3: Are you an emotional wreck? 660 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 11: I'm an emotional wreck watching any game that I'm not 661 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 11: a part of that I have vested interest in the outcome. 662 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 11: It could be a Miami game, it could be my 663 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 11: daughter's seventh grade basketball game, my son's like I It's 664 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 11: just the way I'm wired. Like, if I care about 665 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 11: the outcome and the people that are involved, I'm when 666 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 11: I'm playing, I'm great, Like not a highly emotional player. 667 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 11: Was never the guy running around and acting like that. 668 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 11: Was never me as a player, as a coach, as 669 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 11: a dad, as a parent. 670 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 4: I carry my. 671 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 11: Emotions a lot more on my sleeve. So, yeah, I'm 672 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 11: going to be thrilled at the game in Arizona. I'm 673 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 11: going to be there with a couple buddies and catch 674 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 11: up with some teammates, and yeah, we're going to be 675 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 11: living and dying with every snap Because my hope is 676 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 11: that they make the national title in Miami and get 677 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 11: to go watch them again. 678 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: It's going to be great. 679 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: I just I love that we have Indiana, Oregon, Ole, 680 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: miss and Miami and. 681 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 4: The four teams you said before the year, right, that's 682 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: the call. 683 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: That's right. I've picked them all. Great. See anybody greg 684 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 3: Olsen appreciate it. 685 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 4: Thanks Cayl. 686 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said for years there the three teams are good. 687 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: When they went in college football, Texas, Miami and USC 688 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: feel like not quite college. They're college eighty percent, but 689 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five percent pro football because of the city, 690 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: and Miami just feels big. 691 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: Welcome back Hurricanes, It's great. Can't wait. Jamack with the news. No, 692 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 3: no turn on the news. 693 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 694 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 5: All right. 695 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 8: Speaking of welcome back, Welcome back DK Metcalf. He's going 696 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 8: to be back for the Steelers on Monday night against 697 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 8: the Texans. Huge came back after this incident with a fan. 698 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna call him something. 699 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 8: But uh in Detroit. 700 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 3: Metcalf is back. 701 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 8: He would not speak about the incident, but did say 702 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 8: he's excited to return. His team missed him obviously in 703 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 8: the red zone. They cannot get anything right with DK 704 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 8: they averaged twenty four. 705 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 5: Points per game, five point three yards. 706 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: Now with DK friar Mouth Warren and it's a. 707 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 5: Good player by the way. 708 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 3: Ohyah, I like it. 709 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: And fourteen Kenneth Gainwell, gain Well. Okay, now Aaron's got 710 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: a little bit to work with. So it's when you 711 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: take dkf out, it's like, okay, now I can kind 712 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: of you know, I cannot think vertically. 713 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: There's nothing vertically. 714 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: But now you look see I'm telling you three and 715 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: a half. Pittsburgh at home, DK Friarmouth, Warren Gainwell, Aaron having. 716 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: His best half. 717 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: They're past blocking according to PFF is actually top five 718 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: in the league. 719 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: They're run blocking. I think if they're pass blocking, he's. 720 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 5: Better than against this time. 721 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: I think my second favorite bet of the weekend is 722 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to cover ye. 723 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 8: So you know, I like playing poker and stuff. My 724 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 8: son is starting to get into poker. I'll see your 725 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 8: DK Metcalf and raise you. Derek Stingley, who's one of 726 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 8: the best cornerbacks in the league. He's gonna be All 727 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 8: Pro this year. Just put Stanley on him. Hey, good luck, 728 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 8: throw your jump balls. I got Stingley and on the 729 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 8: other side, if you want to run away from Stingley, 730 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 8: we got lass. 731 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 5: I mean, this is a really good defense. Colin great. 732 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 8: I think you're the one carrying around these Mike Tomlin 733 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 8: stats in your back pocket about postseason failures. He last 734 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 8: won a playoff game. I don't know if TikTok was 735 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 8: invented back it wasn't. 736 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 5: It's been a minute, so well, you know it's not 737 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 5: tac toe. 738 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: It's a long time ago. 739 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 8: All right, Let's move on to uh what the La 740 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 8: Las Vegas Raiders, Colin? 741 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 5: What a dumpster fire? 742 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 8: This organization is back to back one and done's Pete 743 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 8: Carroll now bound. How about this Max Crosby situation. He's 744 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 8: been frustrated. He was put on IR just bye claiming 745 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 8: he's healthy. He countered by going on Instagram. 746 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 5: And posting a video of him playing basketball. 747 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 8: Anyways, Raiders GM John spy Tech had this to say 748 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 8: when asked if Max Crosby is untouchable. 749 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 9: I have a lot of respect for my and how 750 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 9: much he loves to play the game, and I've had 751 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 9: the opportunity in the last several weeks to spend a 752 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 9: lot of time with Max and I think it's been 753 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 9: well documented that he didn't love the idea of not 754 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 9: playing football, and I think you always want that from 755 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 9: your best players. In fact, I think that's why they're 756 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 9: your best players. So I love Max. He embodies what 757 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 9: a Raider is. We've I've been pretty upfront with that 758 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 9: from the day that I sat up here almost a 759 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 9: year ago, and I continue to believe that. 760 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 8: So Max Crosby is twenty eight uls or twenty nine 761 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 8: in August. He's not as young as Micah Parsons, Micah 762 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 8: fetch two first and Kenny Clark. 763 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 5: What kind of hole can you get for cross first 764 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 5: round pick? 765 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 3: For sure? 766 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would not a high first like in the twenties. 767 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you were the Dallas Cowboys, Cowboys 768 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: have a couple of picks. 769 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 5: I believe interesting you think Cowboys wild make a move. 770 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: Now. I don't think that was just I think there's 771 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people would like Max Crosby. I mean, 772 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: I think maybe you can argue for the Raiders it 773 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: is clean house. 774 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 5: So what about a team like the Buffalo Bills. They 775 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 5: need a receiver. I like McKay lemon the USC receiver 776 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 5: to them in the first But if you're the Bills. 777 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 8: Do you give up your twenty fourth pick and say 778 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 8: we'll take Crosby next year? We get both on one side, 779 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 8: Crosby on the other, we get at Oliver, We got 780 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 8: our defensive front. 781 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 5: Maybe we make a push next year. I don't know. 782 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 5: I'm just looking late first round the Niners. Could they 783 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 5: give up their. 784 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 8: Pick at twenty six, go after Crosby quickly retool next year. 785 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 786 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: They're a little long in the tooth. I would like 787 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: the Niners to get younger, you know, off the top 788 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: of my head, think about a team that's close to 789 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: a championship and just lacks a consistent pass run. 790 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 8: New England Patriots drafting thirtieth twenty fourth in pressure rate. 791 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 3: That makes sense. 792 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: New England Patriots, I mean, cause their. 793 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 5: Roster's pretty good. The defense doesn't have a lot a 794 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 5: game change. 795 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 3: They don't have that. They create pressure. 796 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: They're not necessarily a high sack team, but they create pressure. 797 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's not gonna We'll see what happens against 798 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 8: Justin Herbert. 799 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 3: I think. 800 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 8: I like the Chargers here. I think the Patriots need 801 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 8: to pass rest badly. Rabel defensive guy. We'll see, But 802 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 8: either way, we think there's no point in keeping Crosby, right. 803 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 5: Either, Well, I think it's time to start over. 804 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: Mendoza off. I would go Kevin Stefanski. I would go Mendoza. 805 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: There's an argument to trade Max and just get you know, 806 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: there's also an argument that keep Max because with Mendoza 807 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: for four years, you're not paying him anything. 808 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 5: You get Mendoza genty bowers. 809 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 3: That's a good one. 810 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean Crosby leads the NFL and tackles for losses 811 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: since he. 812 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 5: Entered the league really good. 813 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: So you're gonna get. 814 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: A first and a second, a first and a third 815 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: and a fifth. I mean there's a twenty eight year 816 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: old dude. He is still unblockable in single I mean, 817 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: you put one man on him, you lose the battle. 818 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 8: Didn't you say the Cowboys won the trade for Micah 819 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 8: because they didn't have to pay him. 820 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,479 Speaker 3: No, I said, both teams got what they wanted. 821 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Cowboys will get more young, inexpensive labor, and the 822 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: and the Packers get a closer because they generally lead 823 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: games in the fourth. 824 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 3: They need their Mariano Rivera. 825 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, final story, Colin, Let's go back to 826 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 8: the NBA in this Trey Young situation that's emerging. So 827 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 8: it came out, according to shams over at the Other 828 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 8: Place saying Trey and his agents that should be important 829 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 8: are looking for a trade partner. So Atlanta elected to 830 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 8: not offer Trey an extension. He has ninety five mil 831 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 8: left on his deal this year and then next year. Yeah, 832 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 8: somebody really smart on our staff said, well, listen, the 833 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 8: bucks are really flailing right now. 834 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 5: Yannas ain't staying. 835 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 8: You could easily clean up your books by trading Yannis, 836 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 8: getting Trey Young, who's going to sell some tickets. 837 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 5: They have no backhand. 838 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 1: Here's the opposite of Yannis. He doesn't defend or rebound. 839 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 5: He's an offensive guy. 840 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: Clear No, I think he's a really fun offensive player, 841 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: I really do. I but he is He's not somebody 842 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: that's going to defend, not going to be loved in 843 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: the locker room because it's kind of his show. 844 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 5: Well, he might be humbled by this, colin. This is tough. 845 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 5: I mean, hey, we don't want to extend you, and 846 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 5: now we're trading. 847 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 3: Matt Trey Young. I like him. 848 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: I think he's a good player, but he's one of 849 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: those guys, you know, the insiders in the NBA are 850 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: like not terribly well liked. He doesn't defend, and the 851 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: knock is always is he a winning player? He's an 852 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: exciting player, but is he a winning player? 853 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 8: Okay, so I don't know conference championship appearances Trey Young one, 854 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 8: Joel andbid zero. 855 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 5: I don't know what that means. 856 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: But the Hawks have a better net rating when he's 857 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 1: off the floor. 858 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 5: That is also true. 859 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 8: That's a big one. And defensively they're way better without him. 860 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 8: Currently they're flailing. How's this colin? 861 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 3: For his career? 862 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 8: Trey Young's averaging twenty five and nine. No, those are 863 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 8: crazy good numbers and there's like no market for it. 864 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 5: That's how the NBA has changed, this new hard cap 865 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 5: third eight Brinn So. 866 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: Also, the Lakers are a great example. Nobody defends anybody, 867 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: you know, Carmelo Anthony never defended anybody. How do you 868 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: do in the playoffs? James Harden didn't defend anybody. I'm sorry, guys, 869 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: but football and basketball, once the referees swallow their whistle 870 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, physicality wins, and guys like Trey Young 871 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: become much less crucial. 872 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 8: His big moment will be taking a bow at MSc 873 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 8: in the playoffs. 874 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 5: Remember when he hit that game winning shot. That was 875 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 5: pretty awesome. That was the height of Trey Young. That 876 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 5: was the postseason. They had a great run and it's 877 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 5: all been downhill. 878 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 3: Jmck with the news, Well. 879 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line. 880 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: It's just the numbers. When Trey Young doesn't play, the 881 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: defense is better. When he does play, they give up 882 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: nine more points. I mean, he's literally like a touchdown 883 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: in football. When Trey Young is on the floor, they 884 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: give up nine more points. Because in the NBA the 885 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: coaching is so good, they just attack you. They attack 886 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: Trey Young. And so you know all those analytics. Now 887 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to watch games all night. Gms don't 888 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: have to watch games. You can go and look at 889 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,439 Speaker 1: the analytics of who's good on the floor. I said 890 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: this about Lebron James, Lebron no longer defends so and 891 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 1: Lebron offensively. Jay McK and I went back and forth 892 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 1: on this. When Lebron was hurt to start the season. 893 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves and Luca are on fire and they bring 894 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: Lebron back and you're like for a game or two, 895 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I'll be a good teammate, but he's 896 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: just kind of floating around doing his own thing. JJ 897 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: Reddick's complained, I think more than once, that we have 898 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: too many possessions that were just sort of ad libbing. Well, 899 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: why do you think that is. That wasn't a problem 900 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,959 Speaker 1: when Luca and Austin Reeves were running the show. 901 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 3: It's the hurt