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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John Little Cop three and out podcast,

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Speaker 1: Lots of You Live, not really live because it's recorded

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Speaker 1: by the Colin Coward podcast Network. Back at it after

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Speaker 1: a long week in Nashville. If you haven't listened last week,

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Speaker 1: I talked to Titans GM John Robinson, a buddy of mine.

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Speaker 1: I was at Titans practice. Also also talked a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Mariota and some other stuff they're working on

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Speaker 1: a Titans practice. So that that was last week. I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff coming up. I gotta

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Speaker 1: go in here on the Seattle Seahawks. Uh talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Julian Edelman getting popped, you know for

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Speaker 1: a UH an invisible substance whatever it is, p p

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Speaker 1: d S. I mean, we know what it is. Andrew

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Speaker 1: luck through for the first time. Really, it feels like

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Speaker 1: in a year and a half, two years yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: on all these holdouts, because not all these holdouts are

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Speaker 1: are created equal, but let's start with the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: I saw this. It would have been over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas tweeted out basically a long statement that he

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Speaker 1: will not be showing up to the mandatory minicamp, and

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Speaker 1: my timeline. I follow a lot of NFL people like

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're listening to this, so do you

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Speaker 1: you know? National people, local people, you name it, and

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Speaker 1: and most of them. And the difference between me and

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Speaker 1: most of the media, and I guess I'm in the media.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a journalist. I view my I

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Speaker 1: went to business school. I was an NFL scout, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wrote for my school newspaper in college. I kind

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Speaker 1: of view myself as a hybrid. I view myself more

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Speaker 1: as a businessman than a journalist. I'm just an opinion guy,

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Speaker 1: but I do lean. I always lean on one side,

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Speaker 1: and that's pro business. I'm not really pro player, pro employee,

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Speaker 1: though given certain circumstances, I will lean with them. But

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Speaker 1: it's very consistent in pro sports, especially in football, and

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Speaker 1: you see it in basketball that you know, the media

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Speaker 1: always leans with a player like they deserve this. And

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Speaker 1: my timeline was inundated with like the Seattle Seahawks, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, they deserved to pay. Earl Thomas has earned

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Speaker 1: another contract in My first reaction was, what are you

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Speaker 1: guys talking about the best organization in the last twenty years?

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick refuses to pay anyone. In the last thirty years,

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Speaker 1: the three best well run organizations in the NFL, the

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick Patriots, Bill Parcels kind of wherever he went,

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Speaker 1: and then the Bill Walsh Shamfons, skilled forty niners. They

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Speaker 1: never and I repeat, ever gave players third contracts. They

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Speaker 1: always always sold high and attempted to buy low. Now,

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Speaker 1: Earl town Thomas was a first round pick, but they

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Speaker 1: got the best out of him under no circumstances. I

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Speaker 1: I often asked myself in these situations, what would Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick do? He would have traded Earl Thomas. And here's

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Speaker 1: my other problem with the media and just I throw

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Speaker 1: fans in general in this too the moment, let's say,

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Speaker 1: in the in theory, Seattle gave Earl Thomas an enormous

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Speaker 1: third contract this week, and by this fall Earl was

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Speaker 1: not playing as well. He's battled major injuries the last

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Speaker 1: several years. He's missed a ton of games. Obviously, had

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Speaker 1: the broken leg a couple of years ago that knocked

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Speaker 1: him out for the season. Last year, missed a couple

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Speaker 1: of games also. You know, and I'm not disputing that

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Speaker 1: he's a great player. Hell I might vote for him

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Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame just based on his career

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Speaker 1: if it ended today. But my point is this that

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Speaker 1: if Seattle goes to this fall and has and pays

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Speaker 1: no room to add players, they have no draft picks,

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Speaker 1: the media will then crush them. We have the blueprint.

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Speaker 1: The blueprint is consistent. Do what Belichick does, sell player

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Speaker 1: as they get one, get rid of them. Do not

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Speaker 1: overpay them after you've gotten the best out of them.

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Speaker 1: We know that for a fact, that's the way it works.

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Speaker 1: Why do all these media people you know, bang the

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Speaker 1: table and these guys getting paid when you know that

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Speaker 1: eventually in five months, when Seattle is four and seven,

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Speaker 1: you will be the one writing these articles and tweeting

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Speaker 1: out these tweets crushing them when the reality the story

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Speaker 1: is right now, they deserve to be crushed right now.

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Speaker 1: John Schnyder and Pete Carroll have done a horrendous job

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Speaker 1: the last several years. The most basic business principle and

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Speaker 1: that's what football is. And like I said, Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you don't mind buying high, using a

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Speaker 1: of Famer. Seattle was lucky enough that they drafted so

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Speaker 1: They signed Cliff April to a one year deal. Originally

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Speaker 1: they got Marshawn Lynch for a fourth round pick. They

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Speaker 1: were wheeling and dealing they i mean their star quarterback,

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Speaker 1: which we'll get into a second they got in the

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Speaker 1: third round. They had put together this great team. But

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Speaker 1: the reality, and when I say players deserve, the percent

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Speaker 1: is probably less than five percent of players. Every other

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Speaker 1: player is replaceable. I've been in these meetings and now

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Speaker 1: I've covered this league. It's a tried and truth formula.

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Speaker 1: But besides, like maybe five percent of the players, and

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Speaker 1: that's the Khalil Max, the Aaron Donalds, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Luke kick Lee. It's a it's a tiny amount of

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Speaker 1: just blue chip all pro talents, every other players replaceable,

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Speaker 1: every stinking one, you know. I, for example, I didn't

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Speaker 1: love when, uh the Raiders cut Michael Crabtree and then

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Speaker 1: side Jordy Nelson. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: reason they win or lose. Michael Crabtree, who had played

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Speaker 1: know in the last twenty years, is a replaceable player.

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Speaker 1: You don't even flinch on replacing him. And he'd been

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Speaker 1: good for them, he'd been their go to receiver. Didn't

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Speaker 1: like the move, but I don't I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with you attempting to replace a player. I'm all for replacement.

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Speaker 1: This is a pro business podcast. I'm a pro movement

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Speaker 1: and pro cutting players. Uh opinion, guy, you know That's

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Speaker 1: where I say I would hang my hat, I want

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Speaker 1: to and over. That's the healthiest way to beat We've

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Speaker 1: seen it. Belichick's given us the blueprint. The key though,

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Speaker 1: with being able to flip players is you have to

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Speaker 1: have the quarterback. Seattle not only landed the quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the third round, he became a superstar, the most important

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Speaker 1: employee on your football team. They have. Think about that,

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Speaker 1: like the difference, and I was thinking about it this weekend,

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Speaker 1: the difference between a dynasty, Like what what New England's doing.

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Speaker 1: Even if let's say New England hadn't won five Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: They've been to all these a f C championship games.

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Speaker 1: That's the goal, sustained success. No lolls, and you should

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. They've only won one Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: When you have a quarterback. There's no excuse you should

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Speaker 1: not go through downturns. And the only way you go

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Speaker 1: through downturns is when you have poor mismanagement. And John

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Speaker 1: Snyder has done a terrible freaking job that there's no

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Speaker 1: way around it. He he could have traded Richard Truman.

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Speaker 1: He was so caught up on trying to get a

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Speaker 1: get rid of his contract. Cam Chance or remember when

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Speaker 1: Do you know what he does now? He's he's got

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Speaker 1: get rid of his contract. Remember Belichick did that several

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Speaker 1: years ago with Logan Mankins, who Belichick went on record

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Speaker 1: He loved Logan Mankins, but it was just time. He

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Speaker 1: when we overreact on a coach, like coaches don't get

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Speaker 1: put them in a position where they should have just kept,

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Speaker 1: It feels like they're gonna miss again this year. They

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Speaker 1: these years of trading for Percy Harman, of trading for

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Speaker 1: You know, none of those really hit, and now they

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Speaker 1: up for those players, but you could have recruited some

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Speaker 1: second and third rounders and also giving yourself a lot

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Speaker 1: smart deals, you know, Gronkowski probably could have been had

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just have to get you have to.

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Speaker 1: last five or six years, Julian Edelman, and he he

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Speaker 1: really made me think. And one word came up the

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Speaker 1: more I thought about his situation after he got popped.

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Speaker 1: H for substance or you know whatever the specific language is. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I I don't care however it's written, uh, the bology,

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Speaker 1: the appeal. You got caught, you know, you got caught juicing,

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Speaker 1: using p E d S trying to recover. And I

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Speaker 1: don't blame you. Because desperation makes people do crazy things.

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Speaker 1: We've all been in desperate situations before, whether and sometimes

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Speaker 1: we feel desperate when in reality we don't need to be.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen a lot of times in relationships when

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Speaker 1: when people are breaking up or getting divorce, they're they're

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Speaker 1: desperate to keep it going, when really the healthiest thing

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Speaker 1: is is always to kind of take a step back,

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Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and kind of move on. But

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Speaker 1: but I think sometimes professionally, when your jobs on the line,

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Speaker 1: and I've been in this situation, you know, by the

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Speaker 1: time I was thirty. I've been fired twice. I've been

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Speaker 1: fired in the NFL and on a radio show that

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Speaker 1: I had for three plus years. And in both situations

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Speaker 1: when management and myself did not see you know, see eyed.

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Speaker 1: I probably in the NFL situation was a little more desperate.

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Speaker 1: The radio thing, I was often enough in my abilities,

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Speaker 1: like I wasn't really worried. I didn't want to work

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Speaker 1: with the guy anymore. But but the point being that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you make some mistakes, some things that maybe

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Speaker 1: you regret, some desperation tactics that like, uh, as you

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Speaker 1: get older, you realize I probably didn't need to do that.

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Speaker 1: And Julian Edelman, I don't blame him for being a

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Speaker 1: tadbit desperate. He's had a front roast. He spent his

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Speaker 1: entire career with the New England Patriots. He has seen

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Speaker 1: countless players be I mean great players be traded. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier in the show, Logan Mankins, he's a

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones traded. I mean these are some I mean

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones was one of the best past rush in

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Speaker 1: the league. Was gone. Now granted he went and naked

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Speaker 1: to UH to a precinct, you know, from some cops

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Speaker 1: on you know, Ecstacy or whatever. Uh. He's seen countless

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Speaker 1: players cut, I mean good players. Just see you, Wes Welker,

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Speaker 1: you name it. Countless. How many players has he seen

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Speaker 1: hit the open market to not have a contract extended.

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Speaker 1: I was is a Titans practice standing right next to

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Speaker 1: Dion Lewis. Dude, stud you know. Belichick said, I'll get

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Speaker 1: a guy John Robinson. You're gonna pay him nine million

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Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. I'll use one of my first round picks

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Speaker 1: on Sony Michelle and get him for a quarter of

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Speaker 1: the price. That's how Bill Belichick thinks. Nate Solder, see you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying you thirty million dollars guaranteed. I'll just

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Speaker 1: sign the wind kid from Georgia. He'll be my new

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Speaker 1: starting tackle for you know, an eighth of the price.

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Speaker 1: That's how Belichick thinks. Edelman is thirty two years old.

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Speaker 1: He's had obviously a major injury as a c L.

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Speaker 1: He missed all of last season, but when you go

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Speaker 1: to his NFL dot com page, you forget that two

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Speaker 1: years ago he was awesome when they won the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and just made enormous place. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: a big time, big game player. I know his stats

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Speaker 1: aren't as good as west Walker, but my personal opinion,

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Speaker 1: like Peque Westwalker and Pete Julian Edelman, I'd go to

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Speaker 1: war at my slot receiver with Julian Edelman. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: Belichick would disagree, and maybe if I truly truly dove,

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident about that. Actually, I'm taking Julian

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Speaker 1: Edelman over Westwalker in their primes, and west is an

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Speaker 1: all time great slocky, I mean stud Julian's thirty two

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Speaker 1: years old, and if you look back in two thousand fifteen,

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Speaker 1: he missed seven games. So from seven games and then

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Speaker 1: this year sixteen games, you do the math, that's twenty

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Speaker 1: three games and three years. At thirty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Edelman knows Belichick will get rid of them. He'll cut them,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's why he probably got desperate and

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Speaker 1: used something because his rehab, he wanted to be bigger, faster, stronger.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all do, and in pro sports. That's

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Speaker 1: why I never blamed baseball players for using. Now you're

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Speaker 1: a little stupid for using because the testing is so intense,

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Speaker 1: But these jobs are so hard to come by. Edelman's

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Speaker 1: in the best organization maybe in the history of the

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Speaker 1: sport in terms of winning, in terms of success. He's

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Speaker 1: Brady's go to guy, but he's seen he's at the

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Speaker 1: front seat. He knows that doesn't matter. Welco at one

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Speaker 1: point in time was Brady's go to guy. He got

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Speaker 1: rid of them. Danny Amndola one of the great clutch

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Speaker 1: Patriots in recent memory. Belichick, see you have fun in

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Speaker 1: Miami audios. Bro Edelman knows he's not dumb. Edelman's always

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Speaker 1: hung his hat on outworking everyone. I'm just being a grinder.

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Speaker 1: Well for the first time, you know, towards a c

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Speaker 1: L at two years old, you kind of look in

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Speaker 1: the mirror, you go, you start realizing, Bill get rid

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Speaker 1: of my ass He'll cut me, he'll trade me. I

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Speaker 1: don't make that much money. I signed a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 1: And it's probably the argument why you don't sign team

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Speaker 1: friendly deal's teams will use it against you. You're an

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Speaker 1: easily tradeable asset. So when he got popped and I

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Speaker 1: know he'll deny it and they're appealing, Listen, man, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe you. I don't believe any of you guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't believe Thomas Davis when he got

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Speaker 1: popped and he had this stupid apology, you know, on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: like Thomas, I get it, man, you've torn your a

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Speaker 1: c L three times. You know you're thirty five year

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Speaker 1: old middle linebacker. You want to keep your career going.

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Speaker 1: I would too, And you know, come to the real world.

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Speaker 1: There aren't many jobs paying you eight ten million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I get it. We all get it. And I don't

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Speaker 1: expect you to be transparent and be candid and tell

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Speaker 1: me the truth. But I think we have enough information

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Speaker 1: to realize why Edelman did what he did. Belichick will

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Speaker 1: get Belichick terrifies everyone because we'll just replace you. He

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Speaker 1: did it. How many guys did you do it with?

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Speaker 1: This offseason? Dion Lewis, Cia, Sony Michelle new starting running

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Speaker 1: back Nate Soldier been the left tackle forever. Audios. He's

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Speaker 1: the first round pick Isaiah Win. He wanted to do

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Speaker 1: the The only guy that's avoided the wrath of the

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Speaker 1: hoodie all these years, and he should and he deserved

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Speaker 1: to avoid the wrath is the greatest quarterback of all time.

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Speaker 1: It took the greatest quarterback of all time guy better

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Speaker 1: than Joe Montana. Think about that to avoid Belichick getting

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Speaker 1: rid of him, And we all know it doesn't take

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Speaker 1: a rocket science figure out Belichick had planned on getting

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Speaker 1: rid of him. He was gonna, you know, use Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo as the guy to replace him. Was gonna be

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Speaker 1: his Steve Young for his Joe Montana. I know people

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Speaker 1: think it's crazy. He won the m v P last year.

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Speaker 1: He got him to the super Boy through five plus

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Speaker 1: yards in the Super Bowl. I don't think for a

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Speaker 1: second if somehow that Robert Craft and Brady wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: forced Belichick's hand to trade Jimmy Garoppolo, that Bill might

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Speaker 1: not have entertained it this offseason because John just the

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Speaker 1: most basic premises. He probably should bet against him three

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Speaker 1: years ago when he was in his late thirties, but

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Speaker 1: now that he's forty one years old, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I love Tom Brady. He's one of my favorite players

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Speaker 1: in all of sports ever. I have nothing but admiration

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Speaker 1: for everything he stands for, A badass, killer just he's

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Speaker 1: the man. I mean, he's Tom freaking Brady for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't care. He doesn't care. Uh and Julian Edelman

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Speaker 1: knows that if Julian Edelman can sit there on his

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Speaker 1: couch somewhere in the greater New England area and think

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Speaker 1: to himself, this guy would have replaced Tom Brady off

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Speaker 1: an m v P season off leading us to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. What's he to do to me coming off

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Speaker 1: on a c L two years ago. I missed seven games,

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Speaker 1: thirty two years old. I'm pretty tradeable. I don't make

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Speaker 1: very much money. I only got desperate. And you know

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Speaker 1: most of us probably in the same situation playing for

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Speaker 1: Belichick coming off in a c L, you know, early thirties,

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Speaker 1: would have got desperate too. It's time for my favorite

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Speaker 1: time of the week, the Middlecoff mail Bag. If you go,

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Speaker 1: I I mainly read all the questions. I mean I

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Speaker 1: do read all the questions off iTunes. So if you

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Speaker 1: listen to the podcast off iTunes, subscribe rate and then

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Speaker 1: the review section leave a question and I will get

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Speaker 1: to it in the podcast. I've been doing it every show.

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Speaker 1: We only got a couple this week. Go in there

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Speaker 1: do it, and especially this summer, I'm everreating some pretty

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Speaker 1: cool guests. I can try to mix it up, just

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Speaker 1: different people in the media, some some people some assistant coaches.

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Speaker 1: I did a periscope yesterday asking what kind of guests

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Speaker 1: you guys like a lot of people wanted scouting directors,

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Speaker 1: and I said, the problem with that in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is you can only get general managers and sometimes position coaches.

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Speaker 1: But people non gms in the league, they're they're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to talk. It's why I often say when Twitter

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Speaker 1: freaks out about anonymous scouts, they are not allowed to talk. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The media knows what they're doing when they get those

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Speaker 1: guys quotes because people eat them up. But there's a

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Speaker 1: reason they're anonymous that they're not allowed to put their

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Speaker 1: name on it. But let's start with uh. Circle the

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Speaker 1: Wagons Nick from p A I love the podcast, Say

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Speaker 1: me too, H Two quick questions. Start with the first one,

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Speaker 1: what advice would you give someone who is trying to

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Speaker 1: get into scouting at the NFL level? I tell this too.

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of random emails from young kids

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Speaker 1: in college that maybe follow me on Twitter UH, and

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00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: often ask this question as well. In my simple advice

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Speaker 1: is starting college football. And you know, if you're in college,

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Speaker 1: even if you're at you know, not necessarily like a

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Speaker 1: Power five program, but a Division one double A program.

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Speaker 1: I got my start at cal Poly. And the great

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Speaker 1: part is that at smaller programs it's kind of easy

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Speaker 1: to get in that they need the help. Now, they're

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Speaker 1: not usually gonna pay you, but you can volunteer help

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Speaker 1: him out with recruiting, uh, do anything, and usually they'll

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Speaker 1: give you opportunities. And then that led me to a

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Speaker 1: job at Fresno State, which again probably was a huge

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Speaker 1: benefit that I went to Fresno State and not like

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Speaker 1: USC or U c l A or you know Cal

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Speaker 1: As crazy as that sounds, because again it was a

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Speaker 1: smaller program and enabled me to take on more. So

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Speaker 1: my recommendation is always now, I got lucky that the

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Speaker 1: head coach at that smaller program, and Pat Hill was

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Speaker 1: you know, a Belichick guy, closer to Andy Reid, and

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Speaker 1: we were producing a bunch of NFL guys. But but

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Speaker 1: I really think one of the big reasons I made

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Speaker 1: it to the NFL was I had worked at smaller

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Speaker 1: programs and I had done a lot of stuff. Uh

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Speaker 1: there really wasn't anything that I wasn't asked to do,

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Speaker 1: so the transition it was still hard, but it helped

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Speaker 1: a lot. And I think people often like I gotta

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Speaker 1: get to al Obama, you know, I gotta get to Texas. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean, try try to work at like Texas State,

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Speaker 1: you know, try try to work at you see Davis.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, these NFL scouts come through all

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Speaker 1: these programs. There are no more hidden gems, and NFL

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Speaker 1: teams go through everywhere, and if you work in recruiting,

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Speaker 1: you will meet these guys and it's the it's the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to develop a you know, a real relationship

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Speaker 1: and maybe kind of get your foot in the door.

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Speaker 1: It's what I do. It's what I did, and it's

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Speaker 1: what I've seen. You know a lot of people I

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Speaker 1: worked with kind of did the same thing. They worked

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Speaker 1: in college programs and then eventually got to step It's

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Speaker 1: no different than a player. You know, if you want

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Speaker 1: to make it the NFL, you gotta play college football.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to get to the NFL

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Speaker 1: and the scouting community, it's a little different, like you

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Speaker 1: can take different routes, but I think the majority of

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Speaker 1: scouts kind of got their start in college football. How

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Speaker 1: do you think the Bills will do this season? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna take a little step back. I'd

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Speaker 1: be shocked if Josh Allen is not the starting quarterback. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you take him seven overall. Listening in two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: we take a guy in the first round. He's got

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Speaker 1: to play. And there probably hasn't anyone listening to this

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Speaker 1: for a while knows I'm not the biggest Josh Allen guy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just not my cup of tea. You know. I like

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that complete passes, not inaccurate quarterbacks at small schools

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Speaker 1: that can't complete passes and then also don't win that

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Speaker 1: many games. It makes me a little uneasy. But you'd

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Speaker 1: be crazy not just to throw them out there. And

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Speaker 1: and one of the things we were tied at cal Poly,

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Speaker 1: my small school, was we learned by doing. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big believer, and you learned by doing. Throw him out there,

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Speaker 1: let him feel the fire, let him get his feet wet,

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Speaker 1: and let him make mistakes. Because I I'm a big believer,

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Speaker 1: and I think most people are that failure is not

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Speaker 1: a bad thing, especially at the quarterback position, especially when

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Speaker 1: you need to improve you don't. You can only improve

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Speaker 1: so much on the sideline. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe five or six wins I thought last year. I

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Speaker 1: think Obviously, they made the playoffs, and I think it

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Speaker 1: was the only won nine games. They really probably overachieved

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Speaker 1: more than any team in the league besides Shady McCoy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many really good players do they have?

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Speaker 1: For Davis White, the corner they draft is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a pretty good player. I mean, the best player was

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander. That kind of tells you, you know, the

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Speaker 1: state of their defense. That played solid, I mean, was

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Speaker 1: well coached. Sean McDermott is just an overachiever in general,

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Speaker 1: but to win with one really premium player. Remember they

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Speaker 1: traded from Ronald Darby to Sammy Watkins before the offseason.

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Speaker 1: We all kind of thought they were tanking, but they

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Speaker 1: were just a well coached, smart team. The problem is

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Speaker 1: you can only overachieve for so long. Eventually you gotta

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Speaker 1: get players. I think they're probably a couple of years

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Speaker 1: away their head in the right direction. They had a

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Speaker 1: really good draft. If Josh Allen can just become a

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Speaker 1: solid quarterback, they're gonna be in pretty good shape. While

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Speaker 1: I didn't like him, I did have a lot of

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Speaker 1: friends in the league didn't did like him that were

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Speaker 1: very very intrigued, And I think if I was countering

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Speaker 1: myself and why I don't like him. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: careful with this in college football. The NFL looks at

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Speaker 1: a lot of college ball coach, especially at small schools,

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Speaker 1: as average to below average coaches. So maybe a lot

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Speaker 1: of people think that, and this can also get you

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Speaker 1: in trouble when you're so arrogant that we'll coach him up,

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Speaker 1: we'll make them better. And I think that's how clearly

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Speaker 1: the Bills thought. But they liked, obviously Josh Allen a lot,

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Speaker 1: and now he's their franchise quarterback and they're all in.

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Speaker 1: They'll kind of sink a sink or swim as far

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Speaker 1: as he'll go. But even if a J McCarron ends

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Speaker 1: up starting early in the season that Tyrod Taylor was

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Speaker 1: a better player, I mean, I think AG McCarron stinks.

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Speaker 1: So their quarterback position is definitely gonna take a step back.

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Speaker 1: And as we've seen in the NFL, you're you're only

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Speaker 1: as strong as your quarterback. Let's get to Mark A

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Speaker 1: Love the podcast and the Football Insight Coward doesn't even

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Speaker 1: have the Jags as a top ten roster in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen him say that, but that's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: Is that simply because Bordles is at quarterback. Do you

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Speaker 1: think they take a step back because of the division

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Speaker 1: or do you still view them as one of the

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Speaker 1: better teams in the FC coming into the two as

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Speaker 1: in the eighteen season. I would if that's what Colin thinks,

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Speaker 1: I would adamantly disagree. I think they are the best

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Speaker 1: roster in the a f C with Ryan Shazir now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully his career is not over, but he's

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Speaker 1: obviously not gonna play this year. I think they passed

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though the Pittsburgh Steelers weren't quote

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Speaker 1: unquote the best team in the a f C. That

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Speaker 1: was the Patriots. I thought when Ryan Shazier was healthy,

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Speaker 1: they had the best roster because they had the most

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Speaker 1: blue chip players and they had to start quarterback. You

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Speaker 1: remove him, I think then the Jaguars passed them. The

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Speaker 1: a f C is not close to as good as

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Speaker 1: the NFC. They're really probably only three or four good

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Speaker 1: teams UH in obviously New England, obviously Pittsburgh, UH and Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Will see what Gruden can do for the Raiders. I

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Speaker 1: do think the Raiders have a chance to be up there.

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Speaker 1: They have an excellent roster, but I actually Bordles has

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Speaker 1: kind of grown on me. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: ever gonna be a top ten quarterback, but he clearly

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Speaker 1: can kind of maybe be in that fifteen, you know,

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Speaker 1: to ten range. Uh. Leonard Fournett continues to be a horse.

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Speaker 1: Their defense is absolutely stacked, and you know that they

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Speaker 1: should be. You gotta give Dug Maron credit. He's a

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Speaker 1: solid coach. To go on the road and to win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game at Pittsburgh that was one of the

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Speaker 1: more impressive playoff victories I remember in recent memory. Again,

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Speaker 1: their roster you could argue as number one in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be the number one roster in the

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Speaker 1: NFL when your quarterback is Blake Bortles. But they're clearly

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Speaker 1: a top three or four roster and and probably the

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Speaker 1: best roster in the a f C, which is all

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Speaker 1: that matters. But I do hear you Andrew Luck through

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Speaker 1: a football for the first time yesterday. If he comes back,

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Speaker 1: the culture one of the great wild cards in the league.

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Speaker 1: I think the Texans are gonna be much improved. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson coming back from the injury, and I was

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Speaker 1: at Titans practice that they are very very solid. So

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Speaker 1: are they gonna win you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen games,

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but the the Jacksonville Jaguars should win. Should

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Speaker 1: be a ten win team, and they should be a

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Speaker 1: playoff team. Thanks everyone for listening. Again, put your questions

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Speaker 1: in iTunes. I'll get to him every week here on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm efforting some big guests. We're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to get that going, you know over the summer when

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Speaker 1: the football stories slowed down a little bit. But thanks

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening. I appreciate it. Last week you guys

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Speaker 1: crushed it. I mean it was it was a fun

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Speaker 1: podcast doing with John Robinson. We had a lot of

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Speaker 1: meat this week, which is kind of the last week

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Speaker 1: of the the offseason before we go to summer break

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Speaker 1: for training camps, which are you know, a little over

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Speaker 1: a month away. But subscribe rate and in those review

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Speaker 1: sections leave your questions. You listen to Three and Out

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