1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is jt ol Mute. Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: Rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Toddszlucky. It's a Philly Show. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: It's Saturday, January seventeenth, twenty twenty six six something of 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: an emergency podcast, Guys. We usually don't record on the weekend, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: but obviously major, major, major news with the Phillies on Friday. 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: The Phillies feel that they had Ba Bashett practically playing 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 2: third base for the Phillies in twenty twenty six and 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: beyond slips through their fingers to the Mets, and then 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: they re signed JT. Real Muto. The Game of Chicken 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: is over three year, forty five million dollar deal. Social 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: media was a hell of a place to be on Friday. Guys, 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: is this all unfolded? Let's get your quick reactions. Jim, 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to start with you everything that happened, everything 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: we've been talking about for the past ten days, and 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: then to hear the Bashett deal so close and then 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: falling apart. What do you think? 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like the luft hansa heist at LaGuardia, 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, and good Fellas, I mean, you know, the 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Mets play right next to LaGuardia, and they they swooped 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: in and cut the Phillies off the off at the 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: pass because on Thursday night I sensed legit real confidence 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: that the Phillies thought they were in a good place 23 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and we're going to bring this thing home in the 24 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: next day or two. And I think the fan base 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: was excited. There's great disappointment there. I can tell you 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: there's great disappointment in the front office. And you know, 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: this guy would have really really helped that lineup. You know, 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: two hundred hit potential, little strikeout rate except bats, drives 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: in runs, extra base pop, you know, really really good hitter. 30 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: You're bringing in a young player, freshen up the clubhouse. 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: It made sense on so many levels. And you know, 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I think the Phillies made a really good offer. You 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: know we talked about remember I said the other day, 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: you think they'd go two hundred million, You think they'd 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: go seven years to ten. They were right in that 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: neighborhood with an offer over twenty eight million AAV. And 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: you know, the these short term deals with a lot 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: of high AAV and opt outs are deregu and the 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Phillies have a reluctance to do them. I can see why. 40 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I also see why the team teams will do them. 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: So the Mets, you know, they get both Boba Schett 42 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: on what could be a very very expensive could be 43 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: a one year deal because he could opt out and 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: go back on the market again next year. But you know, 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: in terms of the Phillies, great, great disappointment with the 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: fan banse, the front office, you know, all across, all 47 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: across the border, because such a would have been such 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: a good fit, and we weren't focused on him when 49 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: the offseason started, and we liked him, but we didn't 50 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: think it was a possibility. And then all of a 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: sudden it's a possibility, and everybody's excitement level grows, and 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: then there's such a letdown because they felt like, like 53 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: you said, he slips through their fingers. 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: As if the Phillies fans didn't need to have another 55 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: reason to be pissed off at the Los Angeles Dodgers. 56 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: They are the wild cards here. The Dodgers signed Tucker. 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: That was a target for the Mets, right and the 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: target possibly for the Boston Red Sox. So a couple 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: of things happened. Ranger goes to the Boston Red Sox 60 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: on a panic sign and I also I believe that, 61 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: in my heart of hearts, another panic signed by the 62 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: New York Mets to sign Bobachett. And to do what 63 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: they did, they basically blew everybody out of the water. 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: As far as the AAV, nobody was there. They gave them. 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: Every opportunity to get out of that contract. They gave 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: them everything they wanted. And I think you're right, Jim. 67 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: I think the Phillies thought that they had them in 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: their hands, and and the Mets decided just to do 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: something that was unreasonable just to get them because they 70 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: couldn't get Tucker and they probably won't get Bellinger, and 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: so they they had to do something because. 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: You know, it looks like Bellinger's gonna probably end up 73 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: going to the Yankees. 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: So I think it was it's really the Dodgers who 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: created this whole domino effect. And uh, the interesting part 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: about this is there's so many different machinations of things 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: that have to happen. Right, they have that offer out 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: there on JT. Do the Phillies, if in fact, do 79 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: they get that deal done, do they still honor the 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: offer on JT? If Bobaschett signs. I mean, they're probably 81 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: lining up their trainers to get them ready to do 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: a physical. 83 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: They're doing all this stuff. 84 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: Do they at that point start yanking the deal from 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: from JT? Or does John Middleton just say, you know what, 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: screw it, We're gonna bring them all on and we're. 87 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: Gonna try to figure out. 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: The dollars after that. And uh, and that's that's a fascination. 89 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: We talked about this a lot fascinating offseason, what they 90 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 3: were going to try to do, et cetera, et cetera. 91 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: I think the fact that it took JT so long 92 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: to sort of get to the point where he would 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: take a deal that the Phillies said, you know what, 94 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: let's make a run at Bobachett. He's still out there. 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: It's a possibility they made a heavy run at him. 96 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: And honestly, you can't blame blame the Phillies. 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: I mean, the guy. 98 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: They offered him more money and more years, and when 99 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: the Mets decided to do something that I thought was 100 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: unreasonable with regard to the forty two million dollar AAV 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: and the ability to opt out of those. 102 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: Things, you can't blame Bobaschett. 103 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: You can't blame the Phillies, right, the Mets had had 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: a bag full of money. Mets had a bag full 105 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: of money for for Tucker fifty million dollars a year. 106 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: He goes to the Dodgers and then they're like, oh boy, 107 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: what do we do? We still need a pat? 108 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: Uh? 109 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: You know it's not gonna play. We're not gonna play 110 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Brett Baty at third base here, Bo, you take the bag. 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: Of money, right, That's exactly what happened. So I, you know, 112 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: I a lot of a lot of stuff came out 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: of yesterday. You know, I can tell you that the 114 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: deal was for two hundred million a flat, two hundred million, 115 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: seven years, two hundred million. Now the question is is 116 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: did his agent say we have a deal virtual handshake 117 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: or was it a hey, if you meet this price, 118 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna get there. I you know I I The 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: word livid was used in terms of the reaction to 120 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: the news that Bo did not end up, you know, 121 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: coming to the Phillies and went to the Mets. It 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: kind of a rug pulled out from under them situation. 123 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of one of you guys 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: just said it on social media. A lot of people 125 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: very upset I think that feeling is the same in 126 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: that front office and throughout that entire organization. You know, 127 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: they they thought they thought it was close. 128 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be surprised at Greg Gensky, who is 129 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: the representative, just having known him and knowing that he's 130 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: going to have to do deals with the Phillies in 131 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: the future, that he actually said, yes. 132 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: It's possible. 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: It's certainly possible, because the hammer is with the player, 134 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: and if the guy the player and they you know, 135 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: if the Mets did what they did and when they 136 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: and when they panic moved and and went to that 137 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: that that offer which was really significantly different than the 138 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: than the Phillies offer. 139 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: You know, he can't blame the guy for making a change. 140 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: But if they actually had a handshake and they had 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: a deal done, that's when in that situation, if in 142 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: fact that they had sort of agreed, that's not a 143 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: great look for that particular agent. And I would be surprised, 144 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: based on Greg Gensky having been in this industry a 145 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: long time, that he would necessarily do that. Not a 146 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: good look for his organization and not a good look 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: for him to have renegged on a deal. And uh, 148 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: and I got to believe that the ies were not 149 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: dotted and the t's were not crossed. 150 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: When when he you know, decided to go to the Mets. 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: But talk about my feeling. 152 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: We're been talking about that frustration though. When you think 153 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: you're super close, I imagine, right like the word starts 154 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: to spread throughout the organization. Uh, hey, find out what 155 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: number he wants to wear. You know, we got to 156 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: get start thinking about this stuff. Does he need to 157 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: call you know, do we need to call a guy 158 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: to get him off the number? Hey, we need to 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: make sure this is set. We need to make sure 160 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: that's set. I mean, what are all those what are 161 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: the things that kind of start happening as it gets 162 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: as it gets close, and. 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a ton of stuff you start, you know, 164 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: you get the trainers ready, they got to get make 165 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: and the doctor's ready. Hey, we got to do a 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: physical on this guy quickly because the news is going 167 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: to get out and let's make this happen. Nowadays, you 168 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: can say, hey, uh, we have an agreement, but we 169 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: have to get through the physical. 170 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: I mean you actually say that. 171 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: I think nowadays you in the past we were like 172 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: hand slapped. You know, you can't say that a deal 173 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: is done publicly, all you can say is we're still 174 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: in talks. 175 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes these days the physicals aren't always clinical. 177 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: It's a you know, it's a review of medical records. 178 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: Like the Phillies trainer is given access to the other 179 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: team's medical records for X amount of hours or something. 180 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Well, no, no, they're already wide open anyway, because in 181 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: the free agency, I think it's different now the free agency, 182 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: it's wide open. 183 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: They get to see him, So the reviews are already there. 184 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: But it's not clinical though, right, they don't always. 185 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not if they don't feel like. 186 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: Listen, Boba Sheets had some injury history. He's got some 187 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: calf issues. He's been you know, he's had some polls 188 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. That's something that you may want 189 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: to bring in and see and talk to him about it. 190 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, mcl strain in September. 191 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: He's had some stuff. 192 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: So so he's one of those guys you probably want 193 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: to have. 194 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: You know, be looked at. 195 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: But the fact that you talked about the frustration Todd, 196 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: I got to tell you, man, when something like that happens, 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: it is it's rough, man, It's not a fun thing 198 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: to be. 199 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: Part of because you have no control. 200 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: It's that's the difficulty in the beauty of free agency 201 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: is that that player and that agent can do whatever 202 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: the hell they want. They really can't unless the unless 203 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: there is an actual exchange of papers, emails, something signed 204 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: a letter of agreement in l o A, you really 205 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: have no other recourse. And uh and and you know 206 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: you typically typically the agents are good about and shake deals. 207 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 4: But handshake deals are handshake deals. They're not necessarily done deals. 208 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Really, I want to ask you. I want to ask 209 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: you Ruben to so uh, these you know, huge aa 210 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: V deals. And when you're talking about the Dodgers and 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: the and the Mets and the team like the Phillies, 212 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: they're all repeat offenders on the luxury tax. Boba Schett 213 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: next year is getting forty two million, and there's another 214 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: five on the buyout, and then they're paying on that 215 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: one year salary, the twenty sixth salary. Aren't they paying 216 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and one percent tax? So it's like a 217 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: ninety million dollar The Mets are making a ninety million 218 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: dollar commitment for one. 219 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: Season, almost almost one hundred million, ninety one hundred million dollars, 220 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: say to me. 221 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: That to me is a panic sign. 222 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: The money is crazy at the top end of this game, 223 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: and it's going to become the backdrop of, you know, 224 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: next winter. And with these opt doves, what I wanted 225 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: to ask you, Ruben, A lot of teams don't like them. 226 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: At teams are doing them. I think they're all the 227 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: risk is on the team, and I see why they 228 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: do it because you think you can win next year. 229 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: You know next year, and in some of those in 230 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: some regard it would you know it fits a team 231 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: like the Phillies. We are ready to win right to 232 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: win right now, and the clock is ticking and they're 233 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: getting old, and old teams get hurt, and there's a 234 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of bad things that can can happen. 235 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: But the Phillies don't like opt outs. I understand why. 236 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Where did you feel on opt outs? And they weren't 237 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: as common when you were a GM, but they're more 238 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: common now. But where do you feel on them? 239 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 4: No, they are very much much more common. 240 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: I did not like them when I was a GM 241 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: because I felt like if we had a player, I 242 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: wanted him to commit to us, and I just didn't 243 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: feel comfortable with it. Now with the money the way 244 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: it is. Actually, I got no problem with them, and 245 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, because I feel like the player 246 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 3: in an out, in an opt out situation is basically 247 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: playing for his baseball life every single year he's having 248 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: to form to show the world, Hey, I'm even better 249 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: than this contract than the contract I've already signed. I'm 250 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: even better than the based on my performance than what 251 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: I already agree to. 252 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Then take a one year deal and get rid of 253 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: the safety net. Because if you stink, you still get paid. 254 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that is the difficulty. 255 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: If you stink, you get paid, but you still have 256 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, you there's a reason, there's a reason why 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: you sign that guy, so you'd have to take the 258 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: risks as a team. But I think in this day 259 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 3: and age, with the money and the way it is, 260 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: if this guy plays his ass off for me for 261 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 3: that one year, then I've gotten one I wanted out 262 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: of the guy. 263 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 4: And if he wants to go. 264 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: Take off, then it gives me more payroll flexibility and 265 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: I can try to figure out, you know, how to 266 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: work that money into the into the next and maybe 267 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: utilize whatever I was going to pay him in the 268 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: future in Bobashet's situation. If he opts out after forty 269 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 3: two million and he plays his ass off for the Mets, 270 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 3: he's still out there. He's a guy that that's forty 271 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: two million dollars that I had budgeted for. 272 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: Right, maybe I can play with and do something else with. 273 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: I hope you can pitch, because the Mets still to me, 274 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, a couple of nice young kids 275 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: in Roa. But they need more rotation. 276 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: No doubt. I mean they have Semion now at second base. 277 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: Obviously Lindor is short, and now the Shed at third 278 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: base or pretty r good. They got Polanco at first. 279 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: They feel that they probably did a little bit better 280 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: with their offense, so it'll be interesting. They need pitching, though. 281 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: They need pitching. 282 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: I want to mention if you're watching this on YouTube, 283 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: we're getting closed to ten thousand subscriptions, so hit the 284 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: subscribe button if you can. We appreciate your support for 285 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: the show, and obviously go to the Phillies show shop 286 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: dot com. It's a great way to support the show. 287 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: We appreciate everybody support. Okay, So I mean, we can 288 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: keep talking about Bo, but I also want to let 289 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: everybody know that we're going to talk to JT's contract 290 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: and him coming back, and also later in the show, 291 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what comes next for the Phillies, 292 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: because everybody wants to know that, so stick around. Okay, 293 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: So let's very shortly after the news breaks about Bashett, 294 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: JT agrees to a three year, forty five million dollar 295 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: contract with the Phillies. There are he can make up 296 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: to five million dollars more per season in incentives. I 297 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: don't know what those incentives are. We guess maybe you know, 298 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: innings played or games played, games played whatever. Right, So 299 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: if he stays healthy, JT does what JT does, which 300 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: is catch three quarters of every game this season, the 301 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: next season, he's going to make twenty million dollars. It 302 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: was a stalemate for the longest time, right, Jim, you 303 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: said on Thursday show, you heard it was just south 304 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: of three years forty five. Maybe they gave him an 305 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: extra mill iron things out to get I think it was. 306 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: I think it was three years. I think it was 307 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: fourteen times three, which is forty two. And I think 308 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: they went, you know, a million more each season and 309 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: out of the incentive package, or maybe the incentive package 310 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: was there, but you know, they moved, and I'm glad 311 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: he's back. I think that the strength of this team 312 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: is still starting pitching, pitching staff in general, but starting pitching. 313 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: And I think he's a huge piece in this starting 314 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: rotation success so last handful of years. And I think 315 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: you have a number of guys in that rotation that 316 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: you're counting on that count on him, that count on 317 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: him to get them through games and to be kind 318 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: of their big brother or a soulmate, whatever you want 319 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: to call it, partner in crime. They're out there, They're 320 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: a team within a team, and I think you're going 321 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: to have a pitching staff that's happy he's back. And 322 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I think he does a lot of nuanced things for 323 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: this team. And I don't like some of the vitriol 324 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: that is directed at him because he was being a businessman, 325 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: no different than Boba Schett. Was being a businessman looking 326 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to get as much as he can and maximize his paycheck, 327 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: just like we all do. So this is a guy 328 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: who is who has you know, he goes out there 329 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: and bleeds for the Phillies. You see him get hitting 330 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the fruit basket and come right back out there. He 331 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: can play on my team any day, I'm glad he's back. 332 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad he's back too. And don't get me wrong, 333 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 3: listen to me. I thought Boba Shitt would be a 334 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: great addition and tould be happy to move forward without JT. 335 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: If Bobashitt was on his ball, Plump. 336 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 4: Wanted to both. 337 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I want to both. 338 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: If you remember, at the outside of this of this 339 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: free agency period, I questioned whether or not Schwarber was 340 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: more important than JT, because you know, JT is such 341 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: an central part of what the Phillies are trying to do, 342 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: which is have really strong pitching and strong defense, and 343 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: that's essential to having success. Now, I didn't really agree. 344 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily agree with going to three years because 345 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: I've been there and done it and went three years 346 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: on an older and aging catcher that ended up hurting us. 347 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: This is an aging ball club. 348 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: But I'd rather have the player than not have the player, 349 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: and so that's what the Phillies decided to do. 350 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: I don't have any issue with it now. It's not 351 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: my money. 352 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: But if I were the GM at that juncture, I 353 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: probably would have gone to a shorter deal, just because 354 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: I've lived through the longer deals and they didn't work 355 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: out for me, but the importance of what he brings 356 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: to the table is huge. 357 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: He is a leader on the team. 358 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: He impacts the game and on every single pitch of 359 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: the of the game, basically especially on the defensive side 360 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: of the ball. And he's a gamer and somebody you 361 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: absolutely want to have on this team. 362 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 4: I agree with you, Jim. 363 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: The fact that you know he was waiting it out 364 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: and you know people were pissed off at him about it, Well, that's. 365 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 4: What free agency is about, dude. 366 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: You're trying to maximize everything you possibly can to get 367 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: the biggest deal. You could be pissed off all all 368 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: you want, but the man was doing exactly what you 369 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: want to do. 370 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: This is a democracy, brother, and so this is something 371 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 4: that is all part of free agency. He got what 372 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: he wanted. 373 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: He's back on the Phillies, and now I think the 374 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: Phillies are gonna be working on the Margins. 375 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: And I don't care about the third year. The extra year, Yeah, 376 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: two years would have been would have been great, but 377 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: this team is loaded with contracts where you could say, 378 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: too many years, too many years, too many years, too 379 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: many years. It's gonna get ugly at the end. It's 380 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: gonna get ugly at the end. It's gonna get ugly 381 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: at the end. What's one more? It's only three years. 382 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: You know. 383 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: It's funny because if I was JT, I would have 384 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: done the same thing that you guys would have done, 385 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: which is I'm coming off a five year deal, aav 386 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: over twenty three million. I would say, yeah, I didn't 387 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: have a great year offensively, but obviously he thinks he 388 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: can be better offensively. But I would be like, do 389 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: you do you understand how much importance I bring to 390 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: this ball club? Go talk to Zach Wheeler, Go talk 391 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: to Aaron Nola, Go talk to Haeseslzardo shared this story before, 392 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: but this summer, talking to somebody on another team who 393 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: knows JT very well, and obviously he's on a different 394 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 2: team now said, do you guys realize how lucky you 395 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: are to have JT behind the plate, calling game planning 396 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: and calling games. What a tremendous asset now there obviously 397 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: there's no way to put a dollar figure out can 398 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: monetize it? You can't. And that's that's the thing. It's 399 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: an intangible and everybody I know in today's day and age, 400 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: I'm a. I am a big believer and a lot 401 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: of the analytics out there guys. But uh, but also 402 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: like so now, a lot of people poo poo all 403 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: the intangibles, you know, clubhouse leader Kyle schver or who 404 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: gives it crap? You know, JT game planning, who cares 405 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: give me the give me the w r C plus Ruben. 406 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: People give. 407 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: Give me the w r C plus Ruben, but also 408 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: give me the game planning that is going on given. 409 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Don't go there, don't don't go WRC plus. 410 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to rile up Ruben. 411 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: People are so good. 412 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 3: People are so close as to what my real feeling 413 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: is about analytics and such that it's funny. 414 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: The trolling is just awesome. It's awesome. 415 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 4: They have no idea what I really believe in. 416 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: Any of it. 417 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: So you get you do legitimately get a kick out 418 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 4: of it. 419 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: But but going back to JT, though, like the game 420 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: planning is so valuable, how he handles these pitchers from 421 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 2: pitch to pitch. Go back and listen to the episode 422 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: we had with JT before spring training and he told 423 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: this great anecdote with a Ryan Kirkering about setting up 424 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: a guy I think it was with the two seemer 425 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 2: in a certain situation. He had never asked Orian to 426 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: do it before, and he's like, I think this will 427 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: be the pitch to get him out in a big spot. 428 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 2: And they had a great laugh about it in the dugout. 429 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: That's what a great catcher does. Again, you can't put 430 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: a dollar figure on it. Is it worth an extra 431 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: year at fifteen million dollars? I don't know that question, 432 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: but you know what you're getting in this guy. So yeah, 433 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: there's there's legit concern about his offense. You know what, 434 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: what is he going to look like in two or 435 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 2: three years? But to your point, guys, there's a lot 436 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: of other guys on this in this deal, on this 437 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: team right now, where you I would have as much 438 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: or greater concern about, you know, what they're going to 439 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: look like at the end of this contract. And they 440 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: got to win now, So you know, what are you 441 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: gonna do? Not sign JT, hold hold on the money 442 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: and sign Victor Carrottini and then people going holy crap, 443 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: they didn't even resign JT either. I mean, what the 444 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 2: hell are they doing this year? You know? 445 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: So if I could, like if I could just raise 446 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: this issue because I wonder about it a little bit. 447 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: You know, they were at that impast You know, they 448 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: are human beings. You wonder if people feel disrespected, if 449 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: if you'll coming to camp feeling that way. I think 450 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: he's more of a man than that. I'm sure you're 451 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: going to you know, but you got Alec Bohm who's 452 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: for two years in a row. Is seeing his name 453 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: and he you know, clearly would have been the guy 454 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: they moved. If if Thursday night had blown up on 455 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: the Phillies, you know, how's he gonna feel? I think 456 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: those are legitimate clubhouse concerns. Would would they concern you 457 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: coming into camp when you're the GM Rubinay? 458 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: Would concern me some? And uh, you just don't know 459 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 3: how he's going to react to it. I mean, you 460 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: hope that you know the man well enough to know 461 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: that you know, you shrug it off, you go play baseball. 462 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: And this is part of the business. This is the 463 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: business of the game. Every team's trying to get trying 464 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 3: to get better. It's not personal, it's it's it's business. 465 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: And does he need to be talked to? Do is 466 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: Alec going to be talked to? Does Bryce and Stott 467 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: need to be talked to. I mean, yeah, I'm sure 468 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 3: there's some conversations that will happen. 469 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: But at the same time, these guys are also trying 470 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 4: to prove to the world. 471 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: Particularly in Bone's case, because he's going to be a 472 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: free agent. 473 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: He wants to prove to the world. 474 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm one of the better shoots, you know, third 475 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: basement in the third basement in the game. I'm coming 476 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: out in a free agent year where there's no players, 477 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: I mean, there's not very many players that that pool 478 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: for next year is no bueno and you got you know, 479 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: a strike, possible strike or. 480 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: Lockout coming up. 481 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: He wants to prove to the world, Hey man, I'm 482 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 3: still here and I'm a viable major league player. 483 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: Which he is. 484 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: He's a good major league player, and I think he 485 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 3: wants to prove to the world that he deserves, you know, 486 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: a big contract too, somebody, Hey look at me. Here 487 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: I am and hey, listen, the man has improved vastly defensively, 488 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: he is. He's still a good run producer. He hasn't 489 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: developed the power that you would hope from that position 490 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: and that body type and that you know, and that 491 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: natural power. 492 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: But he's still a pretty damn good everyday major league player, 493 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: which is a hard thing to do at the big 494 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: league level. 495 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: And on top of it all, you got Harper with 496 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: the whole elite things. So you've got three players who 497 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: could really come in well a little you know, a 498 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: little edge, a little little chip on the old shoulder, 499 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: which I'm fine with if you channel channel it the 500 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: right way and turn it into performance. 501 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: So absolutely so, what do we think is going to 502 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: happen next guys? It seems to me they're they're going 503 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: to kind of go back to where they were right 504 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: after they signed s for with the Winter meetings, which 505 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: was now that they got JT done, and assuming they 506 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 2: got that done, it was going to be kind of 507 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: nibble around the edges. Maybe they get a right handed 508 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: bat to play some outfield, although they have they Dave 509 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: Dombrowski has talked a ton this offseason about auto camp 510 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: being healthy and being a productive bat. You have Weston 511 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: Wilson who's out of options. Brian da la Cruz is 512 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: going to be is having an incredible Winter league season 513 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: for whatever that's the worth. Winter ball season, for whatever 514 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: that's worth, He's going to be in camp. But maybe 515 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: there's somebody else out there. They I think they need 516 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: some rotation depth, especially now that Rangers gone. If somebody 517 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: gets dinged in spring training, maybe that's gonna be rough. 518 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: Assuming Wheeler's not ready to go, So they need to 519 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: get some rotation depth. Yeah, So what do you guys 520 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: think about what they're going to do the rest of 521 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: the off season, the rest of the off season. Camp 522 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 2: starts in less than a month. What do you think. 523 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 3: Well, I think that they're going to try to make 524 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: some runs at some pitching on the edges. 525 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: I think the starting I think you're absolutely right. 526 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: So odd that we've talked about this last two or 527 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: three years, they've been sort of lucky that they've had 528 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: just enough depth. 529 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: There to be able to move forward. But you gotta 530 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: you're still hoping. 531 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: That Andrew Painter becomes Andrew Painter and a viable major 532 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: league pitcher. You have Taiwan Walker under under control and 533 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 3: in a contract. He creates some depth for you. Then 534 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: sort of beyond that, there's some question marks. Somebody goes down. 535 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: Wheeler is not going to be ready for the opening 536 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: Uh for opening Day, I don't I don't believe. I 537 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: can't imagine he would be probably soon thereafter. But man, 538 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: you know you cannot. I mean you've got to count 539 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 3: on eight to ten starting pitchers pretty much a year, 540 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: and and right now they're looking at five or six, 541 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: and they probably could use a few more. Now, they've 542 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 3: done a nice job of fortifying and giving themselves some 543 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 3: optionable players in the in the bullpen. They fortified their bullpen. 544 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: It's better. People talk about running it back, Well, it's not. 545 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 3: They've got Jirond you know, they got Joan Duran for 546 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: the entire season at Keller the entire season. You're talking 547 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: about two really really good bullpen pieces. 548 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: So that's better. 549 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 4: But I think they're going to work on trying. 550 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: To, you know, gain a little bit more depth in 551 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: that starting rotation somehow. 552 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: And they you know, with the money they had airmark 553 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: for Baschett, it's sort of an acknowledgement they'll have maybe 554 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: some flexibility at the deadline or some flexibility the rest 555 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: of the winter. We'll see. 556 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: Right So they're at forty forty players on the forty 557 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: man roster right now. JT is going to get re added. 558 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: What's the next move? 559 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 4: Is it? 560 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: Nick Castianos, I say no, And here's why I stay 561 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: now and tell me if you agree or disagree. And 562 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 2: I might again, I might be wrong on this, But 563 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: you have Harrison Bader out there, right, he's still a 564 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: free agent. And then there's another right handed hitting outfielder 565 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: out there I believe. 566 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Is up there, is up there. 567 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: But you have a couple a couple of bats out 568 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: there in the outfield, the Phillies wait, I mean, I 569 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: guess they could just cut loose with him. But does 570 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: it make sense to wait once Bater falls off the board, 571 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: maybe a couple of those other top outfielders off the board, 572 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: and just try to squeeze two million dollars out of 573 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: somebody that fell short and in the batter sweepstakes and whatnot, 574 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: try to get some money or is it just is 575 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: it not even worth the hassle? I mean, you there's 576 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: a couple of guys on other guys on the forty 577 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: man roster that they could take off, and you know 578 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a tremendous loss. Nolan Hoffman's out out there. 579 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: You know they have some they have some bullpen arms 580 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: that you could maybe take off the forty man if 581 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: if saving that money is important enough, that is that stupid? 582 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 4: No? 583 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: If you think you can actually do that save some 584 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: money or two or three million, and it only costs 585 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: you a couple more weeks. Give it a try. But 586 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: the whole world knows he's leaving. You know, I wouldn't 587 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: spend two or three million on and when I can 588 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: get him for the minimum when he gets released. 589 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 3: But so here's the thing. They have some time at 590 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: the timing issue for me. Okay, So if he does 591 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: and they decide that the guy they're going to take 592 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 3: off the roster, and they don't want to lose other 593 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: guys on that roster, and they decide to make Castianos 594 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: the guy that they take off, he would be designated 595 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: for assignment. And I believe the rule is such that 596 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: they have ten days and I'm not sure about the offseason, 597 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 3: maybe it's eight, but they have ten days to quote 598 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: unquote dispose of the I gotta believe that within the 599 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: next ten days what we in January sixteenth right now, 600 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: by twenty sixth, I think it's the ten days, don't 601 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: quote me on those days on the titles zone, and 602 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: then within ten days, you know you're gonna end up 603 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: having the big boys sign Already, h Tucker's gone a 604 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: bunch of other guys. 605 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 4: There's not a whole lot of outfielders that are out there. 606 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: You know, the Bellinger is going to be signed by 607 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: the Yankees or somebody. They'll be gone probably, you know, 608 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: by before February first. Maybe they have the ability at 609 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: that point to look at a team like the Pittsburgh. 610 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 5: Pirates or you know, some team that's looking for a 611 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: bat that needs to put some put a little bit 612 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 5: of a payroll on there so they don't keep getting handslapped. 613 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 5: Put a little payroll into there sitting maybe a right 614 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 5: handed bat or a veteran bat or a DH that 615 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 5: can help them a little bit. And maybe they can't 616 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 5: get two teams to have interests. It's all takes is 617 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 5: one or two teams to have some interest and then 618 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 5: you maybe save a couple of million bucks and make 619 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: a move and give them for for whatever prospect you 620 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 5: can get, you know, the twenty seventh prospect on their 621 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 5: on their thirtieth you know prospect list or something like that. 622 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: So, uh, lads, Uh, we're gonna see a lot of Bobashett. 623 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Philly's gonna see a lot of Boba sh Yeah, he's 624 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna he's good. He's gonna come down to Philadelphia a lot. 625 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. You know, what type of reception do 626 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna get. 627 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna get killed. 628 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: What do you think his nickname is gonna be? 629 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: Just that at all? 630 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: Booa shit oo Dad. 631 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. 632 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. You're let's throw it. I'm 633 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: gonna throw throw another hypothetical out there, say, Bobaschet has 634 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: an amazing season, like hits, three thirty wins, a batting tipe, 635 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: I know, thirty home runs, healthy, two hundred and fifteen hits. Yes, 636 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm exercising. 637 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: The opt out boys. Yes, I'd sign him. Okay, there 638 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: we go. 639 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to. 640 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 4: I certainly consider him. 641 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Will We'll only be twenty nine next year, and then 642 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: he maybe go to second. Aden Miller will be ready 643 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: to play third. I don't know who knows, but I'll 644 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: always take you know, in his game and sports bygones 645 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: quickly become bygones. You know, I always said, like covering 646 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: that jd Drew drama, so you can't bring him here. 647 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: You might disagree with with me, Reuben, because you lived it. 648 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: I lived it from the outside observing it and writing 649 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: about it. But I always said, the minute he comes 650 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: and hits one of the upper level of the vet, 651 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna love him. So it never happened. 652 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: I think JD. Drew is a different type of personality. 653 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: Though. 654 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 4: I don't think you would ever made it in Philadelphia. 655 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 4: Maybe not, but like couldn't make it to Boston. 656 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: He wouldn't have made it in you know, great athlete, great, 657 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: you know, had an comunity, but he was great. 658 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 4: In Saint Louis. My point is the places he needed 659 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: to be. 660 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: People forgive when you know it's over and done with, 661 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: and now you help me win. 662 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 2: If next offseason something happens like that and Bob Baschett 663 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: signs a six year deal with the Phillies, and you 664 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: can bet that he'll be getting the biggest standing going. 665 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 4: Book it. 666 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: He comes into the press conference and says, I've seen 667 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: the era of my ways. Give me red pinstripes. 668 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: But we know right now he's going to get the 669 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: crap boot out of them all. 670 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: No, he's going to take some ship. 671 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Well, all right, everybody, that was our 672 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: little emergency pod And we'll be back though to talk 673 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: more about the fallout. From Bashett and you know JT 674 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: announcement coming next week. I'm sure, the official announcement coming 675 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: next week, I'm sure. And everything else that's going on 676 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: before spring training. Pictures and catchers report on February eleventh, 677 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: and clear Water that's their first, they don't report, that's 678 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: their first workout February eleventh. First full squad workout is 679 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: February sixteenth. So it's almost here, fellas, and we will 680 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: be back. We'll be back next week. 681 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: Smell Ulata bus. 682 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 4: Tell you, James. 683 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 684 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 685 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.