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Speaker 9: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray

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Speaker 9: your assessment the president, I believe felt that he gave.

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Speaker 13: Airborne coming in. You've got these two EMYUS there marine

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Speaker 13: expeditionary units, you've got the French military. There was in

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Speaker 13: their media there's a general who's saying that he knows

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Speaker 13: he's gotten word the Americans are planning to do this

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Speaker 13: uranium hunt in the heart of with our ground forces,

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Speaker 13: in the heart of Iran. So to me, this looks

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Speaker 13: like when he says two to three more weeks, maybe

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Speaker 13: that's the timeframe he's operating off of, but I think

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Speaker 13: he's got one more escalation in him, which is going

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Speaker 13: to be some form of ground incursion, either to pop

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Speaker 13: open the strait or more likely now to do this

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Speaker 13: Tom Clancy running gun in the desert with uranium, you know,

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Speaker 13: hunting going on. So I'm not convinced that this thing

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Speaker 13: is an off ramp yet. Unfortunately, and I very badly want.

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Speaker 9: To be wrong, Brandon, I thought he was pretty specific

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Speaker 9: about the uranium, that they had done it, that he

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Speaker 9: had he had eviscerated their capability. Uh, and that in fact,

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Speaker 9: I think the signal, at least that signal I took,

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Speaker 9: was that there wasn't going to be this hunt as

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Speaker 9: as the Mark Levin's you know, go get the nuclear

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Speaker 9: pixie dust, Uh, go get it, and you've got to

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Speaker 9: send people in to do it. That in fact he

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Speaker 9: wasn't doing that. Did you actually take it? Because I

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Speaker 9: know you've been one of the ones most concerned about uh,

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Speaker 9: a combat insertion, insertion of combat troops, whether in carg Island,

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Speaker 9: along the coast and some beachhead or in some expedition

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Speaker 9: to go find the uranium dust.

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Speaker 10: Uh Did you actually take that?

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Speaker 9: Do you take that speech as teeing up to that possibility,

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Speaker 9: because I interpreted it is that particularly not talking about

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Speaker 9: it that it's two or three weeks bombing campaign if

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Speaker 9: they don't cut a deal, I'm going to really lesha

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Speaker 9: bombing campaign on their infrastructure, but no combat troops.

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Speaker 10: You took it differently.

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Speaker 13: I I am very concerned just looking at the flows

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Speaker 13: of troops into the region, listening to what our allies

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Speaker 13: are saying in their own media, the fact that the

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Speaker 13: Israelis keep clipping these negotiators that VANCE is supposed to

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Speaker 13: meet before we can meet with them.

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Speaker 10: To me, it.

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Speaker 13: Seems like we are in an escalation trap. And so

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Speaker 13: I and frankly, the speech yesterday was very ambiguous. That

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Speaker 13: was the most ambiguous speech. I mean, Trump's very decisive.

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Speaker 13: I mean you know this, he gives these very powerful speeches.

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Speaker 13: He says We're doing this, But yesterday it was it

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Speaker 13: was almost on the one hand, on the other hand,

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Speaker 13: type of speech which is not something I'm used to

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Speaker 13: seeing from him, which indicates to me that A he

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Speaker 13: hasn't made up his mind, and b it sounds like

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Speaker 13: the gravitational pull of this conflict is still pulling him

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Speaker 13: toward escalation. Even if he does do an increased bombing

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Speaker 13: campaign where he targets that electrical and energy infrastructure, that's

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Speaker 13: gonna have blowback for us because there are capabilities the

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Speaker 13: Iranians still have in the cyber realm. They are possibly

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Speaker 13: electromagnetic pulse capabilities the Iranians have that could potentially lead

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Speaker 13: to you know, real damage being done on the home

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Speaker 13: front here, and I think the President wants should want

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Speaker 13: to avoid that at all costs. So I would advise

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Speaker 13: avoiding those target sets at all possible, because that that

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Speaker 13: I really do think that we're still stuck in an

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Speaker 9: Whykert into bowling here because I want to make sure

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Speaker 9: what the speech I gave at Seapack. It's important for

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Speaker 9: this audience to come to their own conclusions and think

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Speaker 9: through this complexity through the fog of war. And what

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Speaker 9: what the President needs for people to have his back

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Speaker 9: as he works through this. You can tell last night

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Speaker 9: he is working through it every second of every day.

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Speaker 9: Brandon Wykert, you bring up a good point about escalation

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Speaker 9: in the escalatory trap, which I want you to define

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Speaker 9: in a moment. But you say that it's quite evident

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Speaker 9: we are still committing assets and significant assets to the region.

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Speaker 9: I don't believe that the jeral are for Ford, which

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Speaker 9: is up in a naval base in Croatia going through

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Speaker 9: some repairs, has been ordered home yet I think there

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Speaker 9: continue to be part of this operation and the bushes

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Speaker 9: on its way. So you now have three, at least

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Speaker 9: generally three carrier strike groups associated with this, and you've

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Speaker 9: got additional assets, particularly potential ground assets and the air

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Speaker 9: cover ground assets would need like a tens pouring into

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Speaker 9: the region. Define for this audience, what do you mean

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Speaker 9: by an escalatory trap? President Trump and Bowlin's going to

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Speaker 9: talk about this in a minute, because for a day

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Speaker 9: or two things were starting to calm down as President

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Speaker 9: Trump was talking about He's going to make this address,

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Speaker 9: but it was going to be, you know, implied it

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Speaker 9: was going to be an off ramp and talk about

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Speaker 9: an update of when this war is coming to an end.

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Speaker 9: You said, Hey, that may be his intent, but the

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Speaker 9: actions right now lead these smart people in the world,

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Speaker 9: particularly the traders in these commodity markets, to take a

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Speaker 9: different interpretation.

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Speaker 10: Mister Waker.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so basically, and I highly recommend your audience look

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Speaker 13: up doctor Robert Pape, because he is the godfather of

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Speaker 13: the escalation trap. So I'm just gonna kind of parrot

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Speaker 13: what he's been saying here. Basically, it's a feedback loop. It's,

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Speaker 13: you know, you try to make a different course correction. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 13: though you keep flowing in, you keep doing things that

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Speaker 13: are going to make that course correction impossible. Vietnam is

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Speaker 13: one of the great examples of an escalation trap. We

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Speaker 13: went in it was supposed to be an air war. Remember,

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Speaker 13: then it became we're gonna do defensive ground troop movements.

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Speaker 13: We're gonna protect our bases, protect our ships. And then

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Speaker 13: of course the enemy gets a vote, and the enemy

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Speaker 13: keeps doing things. They're not getting defeated the way they're

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Speaker 13: supposed to. So then you have to then CounterPunch in

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Speaker 13: a way that you think will then allow for them

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Speaker 13: to be defeated, and then you can go home. And

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Speaker 13: in that whole process, basically you've now essentially become fully committed.

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Speaker 13: You didn't intend to. Lyndon Johnson never intended to get

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Speaker 13: involved in Vietnam to the level that he ended up

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Speaker 13: being involved in, And that's the escalation trap. Because you

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Speaker 13: can't go down without being defeated. So you're not gonna

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Speaker 13: want to surrender, You're not gonna want to be seen

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Speaker 13: as having lost. But then you also the only way

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Speaker 13: to go forward then is to go higher on that

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Speaker 13: escalation ladder, and the enemy, as long as the enemy

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Speaker 13: keeps meeting you there, which the Iranians are like the

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Speaker 13: North Vietnamese, you're gonna be stuck. Then in this endless loop,

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Speaker 13: this doom loop of let me go up to the

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Speaker 13: next run, let me go up to the next run,

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Speaker 13: maybe I can, I can outmaneuver them at that higher level,

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Speaker 13: and every time the enemy is able to stay with you.

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Speaker 9: And able to basically continue fighting back.

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Speaker 10: And that's where we are.

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Speaker 9: That bomb bomb them into the Stone age was came

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Speaker 9: for that that that it was.

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Speaker 10: A very unfortunate choice of wards. President.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Uh, the.

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Speaker 9: By sixty four to sixty five set a framework that

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Speaker 9: really had the country wrapped around the axle for another

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Speaker 9: ten years.

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Speaker 10: Uh, Bowling.

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Speaker 9: Talk to me, because for a couple of days, the

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Speaker 9: world's market is saying okay, I kind of feel and

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Speaker 9: the present was talking this down. He then said he

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Speaker 9: was going to give this speech. People assumed that he's

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Speaker 9: going to do an off ramp. He did say two

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Speaker 9: to three weeks. He talked about the defanging, declining process.

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Speaker 9: What was it that got what was it got people

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Speaker 9: so worked up?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it was the whole forty eight hours, Steve.

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Speaker 11: If you remember, Trump came and he kind of pivoted

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Speaker 11: a little, which I think he pivoted in the right direction, saying,

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Speaker 11: you know what, this isn't really our thing with the

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Speaker 11: straight Upfoe moves were not really susceptible. Too much of

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Speaker 11: the straight It should be NATO, should be Japan, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 11: it should be China, NATO and may even India's job

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Speaker 11: to keep the thing open. And then he said tomorrow

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Speaker 11: night we're gonna do tomorrow night at nine, we're gonna

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Speaker 11: do an address, surprise address to the nation. And everyone

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Speaker 11: and their brother certainly in the markets, thought, well, this

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Speaker 11: is it. This is finally an off ramp, and he's

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Speaker 11: gonna take it, and you know, we can breathe a

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Speaker 11: sigh of relief, oils one hundred bucks. It should be

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Speaker 11: moving down, started to moving into the upper nineties, and

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Speaker 11: then when the speech came, like I said, it settled

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Speaker 11: it ninety eight before the speech, and when the speech

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Speaker 11: came and people were waiting, and it didn't Steve. They

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Speaker 11: were waiting till he finished his last word, just hoping,

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Speaker 11: beyond hope there'd be some sort of legit off ramp

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Speaker 11: or timetable. How about just the timetable for an off ramp.

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Speaker 11: A few more weeks and we're gonna pound the crap

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Speaker 11: out of them in those few weeks, isn't new. It

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Speaker 11: may be great to hear if you're you know, you

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Speaker 11: want to see a Ran obliterated, which I'm on that camp,

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Speaker 11: But if in the oil world, and certainly at the pump,

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Speaker 11: it's the worst possible thing you could hear.

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Speaker 3: Bomb them into stone.

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Speaker 11: Age indicates more than just a limiting their ability to

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Speaker 11: deliver a new It indicates a whole heck of a

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Speaker 11: lot more. It sounds like a whole lot longer. People

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Speaker 11: are smart. You can't bomb them into the stone age

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Speaker 11: in a couple of weeks. It would take you know, months,

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Speaker 11: maybe years to do that. So I think that the

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Speaker 11: lack of a defined off ramp or a timetable is

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Speaker 11: what really spooked is right now spooking the oil market badly.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the President wants the NATO allies to step up

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Speaker 9: he wants. Obviously people taking the oil said, look, Hormu's

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Speaker 9: cherish it, you know, embrace it, make it yours at first,

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Speaker 9: He's going and take the oil. Are the world's markets

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Speaker 9: also telling us that look, as much as President Trump

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Speaker 9: may want that, that they see the NATO allies in

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Speaker 9: their navies as dead beats. They know the Indians have nothing,

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Speaker 9: and they don't trust the Chinese Comedies party to do

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Speaker 9: anything appropriate or for the benefit of others.

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Speaker 11: Sir, I would say that they're why would they until

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Speaker 11: they have to? Steve So we're doing it in theirs

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Speaker 11: as our proxy right now.

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Speaker 3: Smartest moves like you know what this is. You're way

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Speaker 3: more sensitive.

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Speaker 11: Your economies are way more sensitive to the straight of

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Speaker 11: hormones than ours is. It's all yours, So why would

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Speaker 11: they Why would they spend treasure and blood when they

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Speaker 11: don't have to? The minute we pull out, I pretty

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Speaker 11: much would bet that NATO and some of the other countries,

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Speaker 11: maybe India would get that straight opened.

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Speaker 9: Eric, where do we go to keep up with you

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Speaker 9: before the four o'clock show? You'll be at four o'clock hopefully,

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Speaker 9: well do a transition today to the five?

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Speaker 10: Where do people go?

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Speaker 11: So much news going on oil market sceiving at Eric

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Speaker 11: Bowling across social media that Eric Bowling the Edge on YouTube.

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Speaker 11: That's a different type of show and no politics, but

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Speaker 11: always you know, the handoff between four and five is great.

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Speaker 11: And right here we're breaking some ground, Steve. If you

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Speaker 11: look back, some of the things that we've been talking

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Speaker 11: about over the past thirty some days have actually come

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Speaker 11: to fruition as we as we go forward.

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Speaker 9: Eric, thank you so much. Brandon Wykert, you've been on

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Speaker 9: fire recently. We're seeing you everywhere. Our audience loves you.

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Speaker 9: Where do people track you?

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Speaker 13: Some of them love me, but they can track me

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Speaker 13: at we the Brandon on Twitter x, natsek Guy at

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Speaker 13: Emerald dot tv and nat sec talk on Rumble and

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Speaker 13: get my books anywhere they're sold Amazon or anywhere. There's

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Speaker 13: three of them right there, and the fourth one is

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Speaker 13: a disaster of our own making, How the West Lost Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, sir. And by the way, you've got one

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Speaker 9: of the best books about Iran. It's an amazing book. Go

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Speaker 9: check Brandon Wykert's writing out. Kurt Mills, thank you for

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Speaker 9: joining us. When to get Liz Mitchell up in a

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Speaker 9: moment Kurt, you were unimpressed. We thought that the President

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Speaker 9: laid out why he did this, whether people agree with

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Speaker 9: it or not, what he's accomplished to date, what he

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Speaker 9: feels he needs to accomplished, and gave a two or

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Speaker 9: three week off ramp till it's over.

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Speaker 10: Until at the end he did talk.

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Speaker 9: About, you know, wanting a deal or negotiating a deal,

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Speaker 9: and that if the Iranians didn't get with the program,

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Speaker 9: there would be their potential additional hammer would drop. You

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Speaker 9: were you were unimpressed to take it? Looking at your

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Speaker 9: Twitter feed by the speech, I thought, I thought Kurt

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Speaker 9: Mills would love it because it finally said we're out

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Speaker 9: of here, and you know, Brandon Werker disagreesently, but I

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Speaker 9: thought he's pretty definitive or it sounded like he had

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Speaker 9: no interest in ground combat troops.

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Speaker 12: Sir, Well, what he has interested in what he's doing,

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Speaker 12: maybe two different things. I have no doubt that President

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Speaker 12: Trump remains very much the same man who is skeptical

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Speaker 12: of the Iraq War, skeptical of escalation in this conflict.

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Speaker 12: But the fact remains that he is surrounded by a

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Speaker 12: set of sycophants and advisors potentially that are steering him

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Speaker 12: in this direction. What I heard from the address last

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Speaker 12: night was a speech that maybe the President shouldn't have given.

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Speaker 12: He indicated that we would be out of there in

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Speaker 12: two to three weeks, and I agree that's a nice sentiment,

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Speaker 12: But the problem is that a lot of people are

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Speaker 12: having flashbacks in this moment to COVID, which is you know,

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Speaker 12: the President also said fifteen days to slow the spread.

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Speaker 12: And additionally, the President announced and his Secretary of War

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Speaker 12: was licking his chots to announce that we were going

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Speaker 12: to bomb the Iranians back to the Stone Age. So

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Speaker 12: I mean, what is it? And the administration hasn't shown

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Speaker 12: any command of events thus far. If they bomb the Iranians,

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Speaker 12: and the Iranians escalate right back and start bombing desalidation plants,

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Speaker 12: and Saudi start doing drone strikes and missile strikes on

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Speaker 12: the Gulf and Israel again with real verve, this situation

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Speaker 12: could easily inspire out of control. The President has said

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Speaker 12: a number of things, and they are some of them

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Speaker 12: are just self evident in the contradictory And so until

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Speaker 12: we leave, I don't think we're out of it. And additionally,

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Speaker 12: and this will be my counsel to him. He's obviously

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Speaker 12: losing his ability to manipulate the markets. The markets didn't

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Speaker 12: like the speech, and that's going to be a problem

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Speaker 12: for him and a problem for MAGA.

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Speaker 9: You said, I want to go back two things you

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Speaker 9: talked about. No command of events. This is the heart.

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Speaker 9: Let's get to the heart of it, because in a

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Speaker 9: military conflict, one of the central things is to be

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Speaker 9: able to enforce your will on your opponent. Now he

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Speaker 9: has taken one of the most powerful militaries in the

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Speaker 9: world and is in the process in just a couple

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Speaker 9: of weeks of defanging and declining. And he said, look,

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Speaker 9: I'm two or three weeks away from I think two

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Speaker 9: weeks maybe three weeks from actually accomplishing that and having

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Speaker 9: shattered not just their military but their industrial base. Give

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Speaker 9: me a minute on this. We're gonna go to break.

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Speaker 9: I'm a heavy stick around no control of events. What

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Speaker 9: does that mean, sir.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think it remains eminently unclear how real these

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Speaker 12: negotiations actually are. I mean, the baroque reviewed person that

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Speaker 12: Axios is an interesting player. I sort of him. But

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Speaker 12: one has to wonder with some of these reports, to

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Speaker 12: what degree is the former IDF soldier carrying water for

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Speaker 12: the Israelis. I don't know. I don't think there are

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Speaker 12: serious communications between Tehran and Washington, even if Washington is

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Speaker 12: trying to will it. I don't know if the Iranians

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Speaker 12: will ever enter a room ever again with Jerry Kushner

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Speaker 12: or Steve Wikoff. They seem to only want to deal

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Speaker 12: with Vance to the greed, we who even believe that

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Speaker 12: they want to deal with him? And so you know,

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Speaker 12: that is where we That's where we are on April second.

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Speaker 12: We are at a situation where, yes, tactically we have

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Speaker 12: bombed the Iranians. Tactically we have eroded their naval capacity,

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Speaker 12: some of their missile capacity, and you see Rubio try

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Speaker 12: to defend that as the new war objective. But strategically

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Speaker 12: we have given a new hardline government control of the

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Speaker 12: Strait and the President's popularity is flagging.

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Speaker 9: Hang yeah, k Hango for one second, use your host, Stephen.

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Speaker 2: K back.

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Speaker 10: Okay.

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Speaker 9: I think the Tina Peters is they're remanded the appeals court,

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Speaker 9: remanded trial court for resentencing. I'm gonna find out what

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Speaker 9: all that means. Uh. Momentarily, We're gonna get some people

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Speaker 9: up here in the next hour, Kurt.

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Speaker 10: Mills, the.

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Speaker 9: You said we don't have command of events, uh, implied

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Speaker 9: that the initiative is shifted to the Iranians, that they've

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Speaker 9: shifted the which I've said, Hey, they've shifted the center

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Speaker 9: of gravity of this to the Persian golf in the

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Speaker 9: strait or her moves. I believe that that was Although

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Speaker 9: I agree with the president sentiments, NATO's got to step

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Speaker 9: up in others. I think one of the reasons we

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Speaker 9: had the reaction in the oil markets, it's that there

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Speaker 9: are market's pretty sophisticated and they just don't think these

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Speaker 9: guys are up to it. They look at them as

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Speaker 9: a bunch of, you know, as President Trump's saying, kind

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Speaker 9: of disorganized clowns that haven't put any resources into naval assets,

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Speaker 9: which is what you need to control the straight of

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Speaker 9: her moods and air assets making it What should people

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Speaker 9: look at if you're if your theory is right, we

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Speaker 9: don't have command of events, what would you see happening

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Speaker 9: over the next couple of days that would put us

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Speaker 9: in a more perilous situation than the president who has

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Speaker 9: now come out addressing the nation, not just doing it

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Speaker 9: at an oval office, availability or something like that is

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Speaker 9: addressed the nation and said, hey, we're there for two

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Speaker 9: or three more weeks. I have this on the on

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Speaker 9: my punch list militarily to take care of. If they

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Speaker 9: don't come to the table, then hey, maybe we have

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Speaker 9: to escalate, but I'm gonna try to deal with that.

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Speaker 10: What should people look for.

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Speaker 9: To your theory that maybe the Iranians actually have the

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Speaker 9: initiative here?

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Speaker 12: Well, Number one, the Israelis keep trying to assassinate interoculars

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Speaker 12: on the Iranian side with the Americans, so the Americans

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Speaker 12: ability were lack thereof of constraining our quote ally, I

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Speaker 12: think is a key facet here. Number number two within

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Speaker 12: that is whether or not these rarely start some of

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Speaker 12: these more gnarly attacks bombing the oil facilities which blackened

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Speaker 12: the skies of Iranian cities, that sort of thing. I

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Speaker 12: think there's every indication that they might start doing that.

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Speaker 12: And then additionally, you know, just remembering the Macro.

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Speaker 9: Hold it hang on, hang on, whoa who bo bo

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Speaker 9: bo hang on, hang on. Have my understanding there's direct

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Speaker 9: order that that is not to happen by the commander

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Speaker 9: in chief.

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Speaker 10: And this is why he said, if I.

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Speaker 9: Gank it a deal, We'll take out the grid and

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Speaker 9: maybe even get to taking out their energy resources, because

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Speaker 9: that that would get you to one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 9: bucks pretty quickly. My understanding, and so do you have

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Speaker 9: information out there is differently that since they did it

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Speaker 9: at Tehran a couple of three Saturdays ago, and then

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Speaker 9: the inflection point of this war was attacking the Qatars

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Speaker 9: gas field, the joint gas field they managed with the Iranians,

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Speaker 9: that the President in no uncertain terms told bb hey,

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Speaker 9: that's not to happen again, and that is a standing order.

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Speaker 9: You think they You think that America's greatest ally would

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Speaker 9: actually go against a direct command of the Commander in

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Speaker 9: chief to take it upon themselves to attack the oil

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Speaker 9: infrastructure and gas infrastructure of the Iranians.

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Speaker 12: Sir yes, I think they would do it, and or

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Speaker 12: another spectacular operation that is spiritually similar. And so I

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Speaker 12: think the reality is that they are trying to eliminate

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Speaker 12: off ramps for the president to take. That is why

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Speaker 12: they assassinated Lara Jehani, who was the most likely interlocrator

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Speaker 12: with the administration to get this war done. And I

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Speaker 12: think Israel wants this war to continue for the foreseeable future,

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Speaker 12: and they want the Americans to bear the battle. I mean,

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Speaker 12: very tellingly, the Israelis ruled out ground troops of their

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Speaker 12: own for the war, which is I think it's a

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Speaker 12: spectacular admission that they are willing to fight this war

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Speaker 12: to the last American.

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Speaker 9: You, Brandon Weiker said, the heat and we only get

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Speaker 9: a couple of minutes. I appreciate your time. I know

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Speaker 9: you get a bounce. Brandon Wiker said he thought the

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Speaker 9: speech teed up the possibility of actual ground troops. I

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Speaker 9: took it the exact opposite. But I'm just one voice

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Speaker 9: in the wilderness here. What did you take it that

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Speaker 9: the President actually implied we could have ground we could

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Speaker 9: have the insertion of ground troops, given his speech last.

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Speaker 12: Night, I think I think that's the most likely escalation

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Speaker 12: at this point. I mean, I don't know what more

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Speaker 12: of the United States could do. You know, I think

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Speaker 12: that they've weighed a number of options. Special Forces units

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Speaker 12: to go in to take the nuclear material, the seizure

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Speaker 12: of carg Island. I think if we are going to escalate,

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Speaker 12: that's the kind of the direction we would go in.

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Speaker 12: I think the spiece last night was seventy percent a

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Speaker 12: rehash of what Trump has said online and elsewhere, and

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Speaker 12: thirty percent tilting towards escalation. I understand he said this

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Speaker 12: could be over in two to three weeks, but until

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Speaker 12: it's over, it's not over.

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Speaker 9: And so you think when he said two or three weeks,

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Speaker 9: we will have all of our objectives, and he went

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Speaker 9: through those objectives again as Ruby has been pitching them.

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Speaker 9: All of those objectives which can be done essentially by air.

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Speaker 9: You still believe at least open the possibility of ground

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Speaker 9: combat troops.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's possible. They change what the objectives

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Speaker 12: are every day. I mean that Rubio is hawking this

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Speaker 12: missile line. Apparently we no longer care about Iranian nuclear material,

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Speaker 12: which was the entire reason for caring about Iran in

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Speaker 12: the first place. Now it's their missiles. I just don't

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Speaker 12: think it's out of the question. They'll shift the narrative again.

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Speaker 12: This war is not going to end in my view,

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Speaker 12: until the president, until this administration tells Benjamin Nyahu in

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Speaker 12: Israel and no uncertain terms, no we're out.

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Speaker 9: And you don't believe that that speech last night was

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Speaker 9: the tea up for that, No, I.

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Speaker 12: Don't think so. We saw a reiteration of a lot

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Speaker 12: of the propaganda and talking points for the war. We

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Speaker 12: did not see a frustration with Israel.

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Speaker 9: In fact, it was barely I think Israel was only

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Speaker 9: mentioned once, and he did give a shout out to

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Speaker 9: the to the Arabs as being involved in this. And

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Speaker 9: one thing I would disagree with the president. I don't

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Speaker 9: think they've been engaged at all. In fact, the Jerusalem

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Speaker 9: Post is reporting counter to the Wall Street Journal that UAE.

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Speaker 9: Actually the Wall Street journals reported that hey, they were

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Speaker 9: all in militarily to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz,

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Speaker 9: and now the Jerusalem Post I think is reporting the

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Speaker 9: exact opposite. Anyway, Kurt, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 9: We're going to get you back on. Where do people

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Speaker 9: in the interim you're you're you're in the lineage of

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Speaker 10: Where is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: So www dot the American Conservative dot com. It is

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