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Speaker 2: And you literally had the traits and the abilities with

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Speaker 1: When Tannehill kills her audibles, if he's under center, thirteen

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Speaker 3: So let me let me say this before. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Joe Staley. When he's in a three point stance, five

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Speaker 1: Okay, is it alive?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he knows exactly who talks about him the

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Speaker 3: Uh no, I know exactly how that how that leaked.

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Speaker 3: Michigan too, and I started helping out, so like, really,

437
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, there's no job

438
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: description for me because I'm not an employee, right, I'm

439
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 3: just volunteering. I'm a volunteer student coach at Navy. And

440
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: then I was a volunteer assistant in Michigan, So there's

441
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: no job description. Why would you have a job description

442
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: for a role that you don't even have? And then

443
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 3: you know, I just kind of get my foot in

444
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: the door and work my way in. So at both

445
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: places it started. It started a Navy I just say,

446
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: so what do I do on game day? And I

447
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: forget who it was, but one of the coaches said, well,

448
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: I don't know, let me look into it. But I

449
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: remember last year we had a guy he just graduated,

450
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: who tried deciphering signals, you know, opponent signals in game

451
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 3: and I knew nothing about it. You know, I never

452
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: did that in high school. I don't know, Okay, Okay.

453
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: So I went in with a blank sheet of paper,

454
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 3: a clipboard, and a pen. And our first game is

455
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: Ohio State, and just started. You know that that was

456
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: the birth And they talked about in the documentary one

457
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: of my favorite quotes the yeah, I said, well, I

458
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: gotta be I am one of the dumber people at

459
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: the Naval Academy. I mean I was like the last

460
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: person get accepted pretty much, right. Uh, And I strugg

461
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's very very difficult, very difficult. But I'm like, well,

462
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 3: these are eighteen nineteen twenty year old kids in Columbus,

463
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 3: like I gotta be able to if they if they

464
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 3: know there's signals, I can figure out their signals.

465
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: So it's a personal challenge.

466
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: Oh, it was like a yeah, and it's Ohio States, right,

467
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: you know how long?

468
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: How how long in that game did you start to

469
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: thine drives? Three drives?

470
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: Yep?

471
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: Okay, can you break that down for me a little bit.

472
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 3: I mean I don't remember, you know, I don't remember

473
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: exactly right, you know the play.

474
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: I think they ran it like memory.

475
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of games since then. But I

476
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: just remember, you know, both sides of the ball, whatever

477
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: I could get, and I just remember getting their offensive

478
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: signals pretty early and just not knowing what to do

479
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: with the information. So I would just yell it out.

480
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: And because you know, there wasn't like a structure, No

481
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: one knew who I was. Right, I'm two weeks into

482
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: being a student coach, Like they're not. They don't know

483
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: who I am. Like the OC knew who I was,

484
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: but he's up in the booth, and like the director

485
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: of football ops knew who I was. That was pretty

486
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: much it in the players. But so I'm just yelling

487
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: like power Left, power Left, you know who's this? It'd

488
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: be power left and the next player, you know whatever

489
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: it was, and it's you know, you just gotta have

490
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: a kN act for it. But it's it's not rocket science,

491
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: it's signals.

492
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: But still you're you're in such a spot to where

493
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: again you don't have like a job title, you don't

494
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: have a description, like you're in such a militant law

495
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: of attraction success like I'm going to provide as much

496
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: value as I possibly can so that way they can't

497
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: ignore me. Yes, and then you when when's the when's this?

498
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: When is the point to where it starts to turn

499
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: to where you're now becoming a valuable asset that they're

500
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: leaning on just in your just in your own role.

501
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's like, Okay, you're doing

502
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: the weather, then you're getting whatever. The next thing is

503
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: either one either one.

504
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: They maybe maybe ever recognize you for like, hey, this

505
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: guy's really picking up signals, he's understanding this really gives

506
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: us an edge.

507
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 3: Well, well yeah, because they had a breakdown, right Yeah,

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: it's it's it's you know what I say this too,

509
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: Like even at Michigan this last year before I was suspended, UH,

510
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: signals was like ten to fifteen percent of my job,

511
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, it's that's just one

512
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: responsibility that I did. H You're still you know, breaking

513
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: down film, getting formation tendencies, you know, stuff like stuff

514
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: like that, right Frank, Yeah, And I mean there's a

515
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna skip ahead right now. It's on my mind.

516
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: The best team to ever protect their signals was East

517
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: Carolina last year, first game, and they I'm not going

518
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: to get into details on exactly what they did to

519
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 3: protect because I don't want to out them. Right now,

520
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: they're probably still using it because it's pretty legit. But

521
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: it took me two and a half quarters to figure

522
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: out which signaler was live. That's the longest it's ever

523
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: taken me.

524
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Really, Yep.

525
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: And it was week one, so it's brand new signals, right,

526
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: So I pretty much go into the blank Street paper

527
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: and I had a good idea of how to tell

528
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: who's live, but they like flipped it from the year before.

529
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: And I also did one of the formation breakdowns for

530
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: our defense, so I knew, for example, every time it's

531
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: two by two four removed, so no tight end in

532
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: the core, and their only run out of that formation

533
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: was quarterback draw. And I'm fast forward, like the fourth

534
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: quarter right now, we're up thirty to nothing, and I'm

535
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: watching there. I now know who's live, and I see

536
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 3: him signal the two by two formation, and then I

537
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: see one signal. It was like alpha with his hand.

538
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: And usually, I mean, you guys understand play calls, right.

539
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Like soord association.

540
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: So if there's a formation and then one word, chances

541
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: are it's not a pass, right because you have a

542
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: pass pass protection and then the concept yeah right, And like.

543
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: If a huddle breaks really quickly, you're like, okay, it's

544
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: probably run here. But if the quarterbacks in there looking

545
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: around anywhere else, You're like, all.

546
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: Right, he's tagging receivers and all that. And then also

547
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: a lot of runs still have some tags to it, right,

548
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: so only one word. I'm thinking drawer screen, so and

549
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: then this all goes on. This goes on in my

550
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: head in like a second, right, So I see the

551
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: two by two like doubles formation, whatever you want to

552
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: call it, and then I see one signal. I'm thinking

553
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: that's got to be drawers. I would think it was

554
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: second in I think it was like second and five

555
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: and it was two minutes, so but in my mind,

556
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, this isn't really a draw situation. But then

557
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: I also remembered twenty nineteen Penn State, same signal was

558
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: their quarterback draw and that's the only time I've ever

559
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: seen that signal, and I remember the breakdown. I did

560
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: quarterback draw out of that formation, so I think you

561
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: can see it because coach Mentor was the interim head

562
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: coach that game, and they happen to be showing him

563
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: and I'm like behind him, I'm like, I think this

564
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: is draw, and so we're yelling draw, draw, draw, which

565
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: is one of the worst feelings when you say I

566
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: think it's something and then everyone yeah. I'm like, oh god,

567
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: this better be yeah, you better hit yeah, And it

568
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: was a draw, but they I mean, they still converted

569
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: it first down. But it's just like, that's how many

570
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: things have to go into it, right, Like, it's not

571
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: just like look at the signal. It's not this like

572
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: black and white thing. A lot of times I'm kinda yeah,

573
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: I think this is what it is. And you know,

574
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: so kind of how it works on game day is

575
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: in my mind, I have a threshold where if I

576
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: am not ninety five percent certain, I'm not saying a

577
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 3: word and I got to take a step back for this.

578
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: All that makes sense. So in college football, all right,

579
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna get into some really good details here.

580
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm so excited.

581
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: So college football, the culture has always been to go

582
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: up tempo ever since the mid two thousands. Right, you

583
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: don't see many teams at huddle. NFL the culture is

584
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: obviously to huddle. And I'm gonna kind of mix last

585
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: year to present day now because of the whole new

586
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: Quarterback COM's rule, and everyone assumes that, oh, signaling is over.

587
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: Signaling is picked up now. And to understand that, you

588
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: have to understand the history of signals. You know, just

589
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: how works, and the reason signals exist is because of

590
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: up tempo. It's not because there's no quarterback comes. It's

591
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: because offenses like to go up tempo. Right. I have

592
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: not watched a disclaimer, I have not watched Ole Miss

593
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: in Tennessee all that much this year, but I would

594
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: assume they're still going up tempo. I don't see a

595
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: world in which all these teams that are like snapping

596
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: the ball with thirty seconds up in the play clock

597
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: are huddling all because they have coach to quarterback comes now.

598
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: So they're going up tempo, which forces the defense to signal. Right,

599
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: you can't huddle as a defense if the offense is

600
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: spread out right, they'll just snap and throw it over

601
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: your head if you're in a huddle. So signaling will

602
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: always exist as much as offensive coordinators want it to

603
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: want it to exist. And signals stealing has been more

604
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: prevalent with offenses stealing defensive signals. So going back to

605
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen with Michigan, our defense was getting

606
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: our signal stolen left and right, teams like Ohio State,

607
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Penn State, Indiana, so on, pretty much the whole, the

608
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: whole big tent. Probably Nebraska, Yeah, probably, I mean, yeah,

609
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: you're you're not You're not wrong.

610
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: Because it's everyone sim simplicity.

611
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: That's like Iowa and Michigan State is everyone else State

612
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: wasn't stealing. I don't think so, because they were the

613
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: worst of protecting.

614
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to say, for simplicity, for

615
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: you to say that about Michigan State, you're saying that

616
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: the worst of protecting.

617
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: If you are bad at protecting, you're probably not stealing.

618
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: Right Like if you if you're good with stealing, you

619
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: know what it takes to protect. So the teams that

620
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: were really good at protecting you, well you can also

621
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: look they got a guy just like me. Right, they

622
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: just they didn't the media didn't go crazy about their guys, right,

623
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: But everyone has a guy.

624
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Everyone has a Connor. Yeah, some things have multiple Connors,

625
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh a lot. We'll definitely get into that. Let's keep

626
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: let's keep breaking. That is obviously a huge thing.

627
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: So we're getting our signal stolen left and right.

628
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: And that's because of the tempo you guys are facing.

629
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: And it's just simply.

630
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: Because you know, and just football in general, right, Like

631
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: whether it's covering up issues as a play caller or

632
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: personnel issues, whatever it is, you can always utilize and

633
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: manipulate tempo to give you an advantage right to regain

634
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: that advantage, right, And a lot of times, especially in

635
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: a world where everyone's signaling, you can even force the

636
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: defense to signal before you signal. Maybe not force, right,

637
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, if you know

638
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: what's going on, it's it's just a cat and mouse game.

639
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: You just wait until they signal and just calling out

640
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: on their bluff.

641
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: And just to your defense too, like if a being

642
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: a defender, if an offense is tempoing you, the coordinator

643
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: will kind of tell you before the game, Hey, if

644
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: they start tempoing us, there'll only be like two or

645
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: three halls that they go to correct. So you're almost

646
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: understanding the tendency before it happens.

647
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: But also, uh, you know they can tempo and then

648
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: hard count m right, so just to get whatever you're in.

649
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: Maybe you showed blitz or maybe you showed your safety shell,

650
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: or you showed too high, whatever it is, right, they

651
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: you know, they get to the line quick and they

652
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: get you to kind of tell real quick, and then

653
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: they call their play and they expose it. Right. They

654
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: oh they cover four, let's call cover four beater. Oh, hey,

655
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: they're bringing the nickel, they're dropping the buck. Let's let's

656
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: throw a slant, you know, to the slot right away. Yeah,

657
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: whatever it is. And so yeah, that was happening to us.

658
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: And so in twenty twenty one, the big change was

659
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: So when coach McDonald got the job, he asked, he said, hey,

660
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 3: you know, he's new, he's been in the NFL, coming

661
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: back to college and he goes, hey, you know, what's

662
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: how do we protect our signals? And I told him,

663
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: I said, well, it's a cat and mouse game. You

664
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: got to think of it like it's red light green light.

665
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: If if if I'm watching them signal and I am

666
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: not talking, that means they have not signaled, So don't signal,

667
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 3: because then we're the mouse. You just have to wait

668
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: for them to begin signaling. So, you know, and it's

669
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: not the sexy thing everyone wants to hear, but ninety

670
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: nine times out of one hundred, they already know what

671
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: they're calling no matter what. They just want to have

672
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: the green light to call it so their signal doesn't

673
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: get stolen. Right, So usually in game, I'm I'm looking,

674
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm looking, and if I say, like, hey, trips,

675
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: why flex? You know the formation maybe I say, like

676
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: why across to trips? Why flex? Which here's usual signals

677
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: for like why across? Like why across trips? Why?

678
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

679
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, like.

680
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: It's anyone could could see that and just say this

681
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: is this is what the formation is. Usually he's calling

682
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: the play just like that, right, So it's not like

683
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: it's not like the coordinator was waiting for like, hey,

684
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: is it going to be a run? Is it going

685
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: to be a pass? Is? It's more like these Mike

686
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: McDonald is a very successful college football coach and now

687
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: NFL head coach, Right, Jesse Mentor, is what are the

688
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: Chargers are giving up the fewest points in the NFL? Right?

689
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

690
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: Right, So these guys get paid to do what they do.

691
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: They're not listening, They're not like calling their defense waiting

692
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: for me. I'm just a green light to basically tell then, hey,

693
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: you have permission to signal without getting stolen. And that

694
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: that is kind of where it picked up in twenty one,

695
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: where we were now no longer the mouse. It was

696
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: all even playing field essentially, and what teams will do though,

697
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: like Ohio State and I got a whole we might

698
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: I got a whole breakdown on every single play from

699
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen to present day Michigan Ohio State.

700
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, from twenty eighteen to present day, a whole

701
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: breakdown of Ohio States.

702
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: When when Ohio State's on offense and we're on defense,

703
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: and I category I watched every play on film and

704
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: I categorized it, who's the mouse, who's the cat? And

705
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: then sometimes it's just neutral the wash yut yep, and

706
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: here we go. So in twenty eighteen, Ohio State was

707
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: the cat every play because they're they're picking us apart

708
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: signal wise, right, and yeah, they're running mess every time

709
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: we're in cover one, they're running meshrail every time we're

710
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: blitz in. They happened being max protection. Take a shot

711
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: every time we're in zone, they run the ball, right,

712
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a coincidence. I'm watching them. They

713
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: have their me in, you know, Ryan Daysier, and we signal,

714
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: they talk. I see it, we talk, but we signaled first,

715
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: so we're the mouse, right, and and then so that

716
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: happened in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, so they were the

717
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: cat every play those two games. They averaged eight eight

718
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: point one five yards per play in twenty eighteen and

719
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: eight Yards were playing twenty nineteen and they had fifteen

720
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: touchdowns in those two games. Okay, twenty one they were

721
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: it was a stalemate seventy two times. Okay, so that's

722
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: like they're signaling, and then we start to signal right

723
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: after they start to signal. Okay, they were the cat

724
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: three times. And here's how I categorized them being the

725
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: cat when they had a play called. So it starts

726
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: off as a stalemate, and then Ryan Day gets CJ.

727
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: Stroud's attention last second because he sees what we're in.

728
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: Maybe they got our signal, maybe they see our show,

729
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and they changed the play right before

730
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: the snap. Okay, that's them being the cat, so our

731
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: signals they spoke last yep, and then they were the

732
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: mouse every time they hard counted that game. Here's why.

733
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, every time they hard

734
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 3: counted and then looked at the sideline, we already had

735
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: our signal called and we never changed it. So I

736
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: mean they they.

737
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Exposed right right right, so they know the zone.

738
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Man twenty twenty one, I know their hard count signal,

739
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: so I know when they're going to hard count, so

740
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: we don't have to show a blitzer or whatnot. They

741
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 3: stole our they stole the wrong signal because we would

742
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: change our call.

743
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: And do you know who Ryan days Connor Stallions is.

744
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not gonna out of here.

745
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah you should as you should have.

746
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: But we know he's there.

747
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

748
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: Is he good at his job?

749
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: Yes, very Yeah. So when they were the mouse, actually

750
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: i'll start with when they're the cat. When they were

751
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 3: the cat, so they they changed the play late three times,

752
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: they averaged nine point three yards per play. When it

753
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: was a stalemate, they averaged five point three yards per play.

754
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: They did score three touchdowns. It's seventy two plays, so

755
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: that's the majority of the game. Right. When they were

756
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: the mouse, they only averaged four yards per play six times,

757
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: and usually.

758
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: There were seventy two total plays or they were.

759
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: Seventy there the stalemate, so it was eighty one total plays.

760
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Gotcha.

761
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, you see, when they're the cat, they averaged

762
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: the most yards per play all the way down. When

763
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: they're the mouse, it's they're not they're not doing much.

764
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: So their first the twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen they

765
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: hard counted forty times. You can go back and watch

766
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: the film, they hard counted forty times twenty twenty one

767
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: six because it wasn't working right, because they couldn't steal

768
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: our signal when they hard counted, because we just basically

769
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: played this cat and mouse game with them and didn't

770
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: allow them to to be the mouse or to be

771
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: the cat every time.

772
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: When you're explaining this cat and mouse game to the coaches,

773
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 2: how receptive were they to, Hey, you got.

774
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 3: A very Mike McDonald is amazing.

775
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: I mean he's one of the smartest people I've been around,

777
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: and elite coach. Right. He also empowered everyone. He's a

778
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: great leader and he would listen. So, I mean, it

779
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: couldn't have been any better having him there. He was.

780
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: It was huge.

781
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge.

782
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: Is so basically he just you know, hey, I'm the DC.

783
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: I want to call the plays and focus on that.

784
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to get my signal stolen. Can you

785
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: help me? Yeah, just you know, wait till it's a

786
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: green light. Okay, thanks.

787
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Outside of the signal stuff, what situations were you in

788
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: charge of breaking down?

789
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: Well, in twenty one I was still in the Marine Corps.

790
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so I was That's when.

791
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: I was flying back and forth. So I mean I

792
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: just showed up on game day and helped out twenty

793
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: two when I get hired, you know, recruiting and then

794
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: recruiting signals and and then involved into helping out with

795
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: the linebackers. Okay, nice formation breakdowns.

796
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm so fascinated, Like this is incredible.

797
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you want me to keep going this

798
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: Ohio State thing. They weren't the cat one play in

799
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two in Columbus, and they averaged six yards

800
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: per play, and then when they stole the wrong signal

801
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: because they hard counted, uh, they averaged five yards per play.

802
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: They scored one touchdown each in those situations. But it's funny.

803
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 3: There's a there's a video someone sent me of It's

804
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: like me by coach Minter twenty twenty two in Columbus

805
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: and some guy like is doing this breakdown. Sam, I'm saying,

806
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 3: run right, run right?

807
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: Oh you talk about where all even players just ran.

808
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Do we have that clip that.

809
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't even like, First of all, I'm saying Nike,

810
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: because that's what we called an opponent's hard count Nike.

811
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: And you can see the Nike board go up behind me.

812
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: We have a board in Nike basically tom on our

813
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: you know, safeties like don't show a shell. They're trying

814
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: to steal our signal right now, right, and be ready

815
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: for us to change the call. So if they look,

816
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 3: we're going to change our call to make make sure

817
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: they stole the wrong.

818
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: This is the clip what we're talking about right here.

819
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: No, that was after one of their herd counts. You

820
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: see heart counts right there.

821
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Nike signed behind it.

822
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: We had the Nike sign right, But there's a different

823
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: one where like some guy does this breakdown and like

824
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: he's trying to like read my lips and he says,

825
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: he's saying, run right, run right, that's what he's saying.

826
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying, but I'm saying Nike, Nike. And by the way,

827
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: the run was to the left, because it's from the

828
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: defense's perspective, right, Like, I'm not gonna say it's a

829
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: run of the right when they run it to our left.

830
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: But yes, so I say Nike, and then you can

831
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: see them hard count. Look, they just stole whatever we

832
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: just signaled and then changed video.

833
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: In the group chat.

834
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll pull that up for sure, because there's you

835
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: see so many of these clips and videos of you

836
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: and you're saying something to somebody and everyone wants to

837
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: freak out.

838
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: Over it out. But while I'm actually protecting our signals.

839
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: That's the whole point of what I was saying. I'm

840
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 3: telling our coordinator, they are hard counting, call a play.

841
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: You don't want to call because they're gonna they're trying

842
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 3: to steal our signal.

843
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: So this is the clip right here. Yeah, they're saying Nike, Nike.

844
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see me say twin, why Twin why Nike?

845
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: And there goes the Nike board. You saw it go up. Yeah,

846
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: and you see Ohio State hard count. So now they're

847
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: all looking at the sideline. Now they're signaling, and then

848
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: we call our other play. So they just stole the

849
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: wrong signal and it goes for no yards.

850
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: Everybody they're feasting breakdown the U. There's just tight end screen.

851
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: Ah.

852
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say the Houston text heat stover. Yeah,

853
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: And he said essentially like it's a formation we've never

854
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: done it out of, we've never ran this play out of,

855
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: And he was beside himself on figuring out how you

856
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: guys need that. Yeah, insane, incredible awareness by the defense

857
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: and understanding that it was a screened.

858
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: Guys just in the film room.

859
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: Uh so, I don't remember what formation it was out of.

860
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: But can we pull that clip up before you explain it?

861
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

862
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, just scroll up.

863
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: That one right there.

864
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: Do they show the play?

865
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: No, they don't. We could. We could pull it up.

866
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, see yeah, try to. Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

867
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: I had to be first half, first quarter because they're

868
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: going the same direction around the twenty five thirty yard

869
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: line somewhere in there. Who was right in front of us?

870
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: It was into the boundary in front of you.

871
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, we're getting to. You called this play that

872
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: they had not run before, but you were able to

873
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: decipher it. Is this one of your top five calls?

874
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: Is this like? Is this like a top fired? Though?

875
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: It backfired?

876
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: They get c J.

877
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: Stroud turned around and everyone was right there, and he

878
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: scrambled and got it first down or at least got

879
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: significant yards. Frank's facetiming me right now.

880
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Twenty two He answer it, dude.

881
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Frank was a war daddy at Michigan.

882
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Frank, we're on the bus right now.

883
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: Frank, what's baby?

884
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

885
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: What are you going to take house for?

886
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: What you doing.

887
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

888
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you're doing well, brother.

889
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeh jump after yeah, say all that's funny. I already

890
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: gave him the shout out.

891
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

892
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: That tight end screen. Yes whatever the formation said. You know,

893
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: here's the thing. They Ohio State had like eight signalers

894
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: eight signalers all year something like that, and everyone signals

895
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: the formation. Mistake number one, Like, I don't need to

896
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: know who's live to see what the formation is, right,

897
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: anyone can see that.

898
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

899
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: Mistake number two. They never changed who their live signaler

900
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: was the entire season.

901
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: So I guess their condor stallions. Isn't that good? Then?

902
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: Apparently not as good.

903
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. They didn't do no self scouting correct.

904
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: So so, and here's here's the bottom line of you know,

905
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: how how can you be so good in game? I

906
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: just realized this is the clip right here? Yep, that's it?

907
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: Slot why? Why? So? I think they motioned into slot

908
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: y why?

909
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: And then also that's a cup block. You see a

910
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: cup by the pressure it's penalty.

911
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the signal signal for the slot YY formation.

912
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: And and then the guy who was live the entire

913
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: season signaled why delay. Am I supposed to see that

914
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: and be like, oh, I don't know what this.

915
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Is, right right?

916
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: Right?

917
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: So you call it out?

918
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: I said, I think this has got to be a

919
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: why delay screen?

920
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: God. So we talked about Ohio State having their own

921
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: Connor stallions. How many of the power now Power four

922
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: conferences have.

923
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's got to be eighty to ninety.

924
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: But like the Big Ten before, well, I'm sure USC does,

925
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 3: I'm sure Washington probably does.

926
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: Has.

927
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: The only two teams that, to my understanding, did not

928
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: were Iowa and Michigan State in the Big Ten. Nebraska

929
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: when we played them last year, this is like what

930
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: two games before I got suspended. They first of all,

931
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: they huddled almost every play. We're going to go game

932
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: by game. Last year, ECU new you know, new signals

933
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: because it's game one, and they're the best at protecting.

934
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: So we're we're up thirty to nothing. Before I even

935
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: started figuring out what was going on. Next game was

936
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: what UNLV They had one signaler, so that was easy.

937
00:49:53,080 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Game three, Bowling Green, they were okay protecting. I figured

938
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: them out pretty early. Game four, Rutgers, they huddled every

939
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: single play. They're they're really good at getting signals. So again,

940
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: you're really good, Like, you know, we huddled.

941
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nebraska handled business.

942
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we handled business.

943
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: So there, they're very good at protecting their players.

944
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: Very good because they're they're good at getting signals.

945
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: So they did you figure them out at all?

946
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, like I know their guy. Yeah, so we both

947
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: First of all, Michigan offense, we don't. We don't. We

948
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: never really steal signals. We we huddle more than anyone

949
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: in the country, I think besides Air Force maybe or

950
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: whoever one of the service academies. But you don't see

951
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: Michigan go up temple all too much. But yeah, we

952
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: huddled every play, and they huddled every play. And then

953
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: after the game I talked to their guy and we

954
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: just kind of that was the ultimate stalemate.

955
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And did you know him personally before the game.

956
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah yeah. And then right after the game,

957
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: all right, right back to you know, whatever you need

958
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: help with, you know, let me know, I'll give you

959
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: what I got, and he gives me what he's got,

960
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, And that happens every Sunday, right.

961
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: So every Sunday you essentially talk to the team you

962
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: just played their guy.

963
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, anyone a lot of a lot of coaches do

964
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: that too. It's like, right, I'm sure the head coaches

965
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: exchanged information with and not even just the team you

966
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: just played, like, you know, okay, what Michigan's got Illinois

967
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: coming up? And Illinois already played Nebraska, so I could

968
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: call Nebraska's guy and be like, hey, what you got

969
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: in Illinois? Who do you play next? I'll give you

970
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: what I got on so and so. Right, that happens

971
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: all the time. And that's not just signals, that's decordinators.

972
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: You know, hey, what plays did you like? What what

973
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: did you see? You know all that. So yeah, after

974
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: that Rutgers game, it was right back to all right,

975
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: we're friends now. We knew that was going to happen.

976
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 3: No signals at all the entire game. And then the

977
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: next game was Nebraska and they did not signal until

978
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: like their third drive of the game. We were already

979
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 3: up fourteen nothing before their first signal.

980
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: Right, they had the third and one pick.

981
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: But the funniest thing was, you know, most teams have

982
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: boards that either sometimes it means formation, sometimes it tells

983
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: you which signaler is live. It could mean many different things.

984
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: Nebraska's boards told you which signaller was live and they

985
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: had these quadrants and pictures in each quadrant, and most

986
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: of the pictures I'm sure it didn't mean anything, but

987
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: one of the boards they had had my high school

988
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: logo on it.

989
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: No ship nice, so they knew it.

990
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: Was pretty funny. We all know, we all know who

991
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: each other are, so that was probably just a funny.

992
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, look at any other intel with Nebraska.

993
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: No, who they play next week?

994
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: We it's a bye week.

995
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: But then Indiana, Indiana, that's a good game.

996
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, where is it at Indiana?

997
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: What kind of what kind of information can you give

998
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: us in Indiana?

999
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: Uh, give me a week.

1000
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, wait for your next go back

1001
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: to the JMU stuff. Yeah, yep, with who is it signetti?

1002
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh he's really good.

1003
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1004
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: And then the next game after Rutgers last years, Minnesota

1005
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: they huddled every play and.

1006
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: Then you guys body bag.

1007
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: And then and then Indiana, Uh they were decent at

1008
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 3: protecting their signals. And then and then I wasn't there.

1009
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: Did Michigan have a signal steeler before you?

1010
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: No?

1011
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: So that again there.

1012
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: When I went from Navy to there, like once I

1013
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 3: was in the Marine Corps. Uh, it was twenty eighteen

1014
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: was the start of it? I it was maybe week

1015
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: four five, I think Actually the last game I was

1016
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: not the last game I was in the stands for.

1017
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: May have been Michigan Nebraska in like twenty eighteen. Maybe

1018
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: it was Northwestern, I don't remember who it was. It

1019
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: was one of those two teams. Yeah, and then after that,

1020
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm on the field, you know, because I asked, well,

1021
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: I was there for a two week kind of limbo

1022
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: period between training and being stationed in California, and so

1023
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: I asked like, Hey, what can I do on game day?

1024
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: And they're like, I don't know. What do you think?

1025
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: I said, well, I mean I did this a Navy.

1026
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try that. And they're, yeah, sure, I don't

1027
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: think we have anyone doing that, and just ran with it.

1028
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know about that.

1029
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask the question, because did anyone from

1030
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: South Carolina get signs from you to steal from Tennessee

1031
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: and Georgia.

1032
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't know anyone at South Carolina. Now Here's what

1033
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 3: I'll say. There's this whole like a giant circle of

1034
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: the intel guys right that know each other, right, and

1035
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: you're usually one or two phone calls away from anyone

1036
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: you want, right, Like if I if we played we

1037
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: played Georgia in twenty one in the Orange Bowl, and

1038
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: I got a hold of a couple SEC teams that

1039
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: were playing Big ten teams in their bowl game, and

1040
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: so I'd give them what I had on them, and

1041
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: they give me what they had on Georgia. Also, this

1042
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: was my favorite. So trading happens all the time. Right,

1043
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, we lose the Michigan State Kenneth Walker

1044
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: a great.

1045
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: Game, played fantastic YEP, and we needed some help.

1046
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 3: Right, they had to lose twice and we had to

1047
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: Michigan State had to lose twice, and then that would

1048
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: have resulted in having a three way tie, or no,

1049
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: we would have beaten Ohio State and then it would

1050
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: just been us in Ohio State because then Michigan State

1051
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: would not have been in that three way tie. And

1052
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: they lost to Purdue, and then I think it was

1053
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: the next week they played Ohio State the week before

1054
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: we played Ohio State, and so we needed Ohio State

1055
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: to win. So I gave Michigan State signals to a

1056
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: buddy of mine and said, hey, I changed all the logos.

1057
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: It looked I made it look like it came from

1058
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: a different school that I don't. I don't want to

1059
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: give Ohio State something from Michigan. Right, they might not

1060
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: use it, who knows, but we need Ohio State to win,

1061
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: and I know they steal a crap out of defensive signals.

1062
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 3: So here you go. So I made it. I gave

1063
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: it to a buddy who may have given it to

1064
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: a buddy who then gave it to Ohio State.

1065
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: And say, that's a game of telephone.

1066
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: Yep, I got this from so and so, you know,

1067
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: name your school university. And yeah, so they got I'm

1068
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: sure they probably already had them, but it just confirmed everything.

1069
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, and then they won like sixty to nothing,

1070
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: and that's.

1071
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: All you needed.

1072
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: Yep.

1073
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: Does in this in this world of trading, does anybody

1074
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: ever trade their own schools information?

1075
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: I have no idea. That'd be crazy, but.

1076
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: You never know, right because I'm assuming like trade their

1077
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: own schools information.

1078
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: Right, Like I'm assuming not everybody was as massive a

1079
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 2: fan of the school they worked for like you were.

1080
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: So I know that, you know, just like corrupt politicians.

1081
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I wouldn't put it past certain people.

1082
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw one out there, go ahead. Lineberry coach

1083
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: got fired last year, yeah, or he resigned and then

1084
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: when Obama fired No, that.

1085
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: Was that was two years ago coaching.

1086
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: No, No, that was that was last year last year.

1087
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: No, but he so it was at the end of

1088
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. He wasn't at Michigan during the twenty

1089
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: three season.

1090
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't somebody at Michigan during last year? Not during the season,

1091
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: and their computer kind of got found grenade the computer

1092
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: and then they went to Alabama.

1093
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: That you're you're mixing stories right now.

1094
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: Okay, can you help differentiate the stories?

1095
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Would that George.

1096
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: Hilo as a linebacker coach in twenty twenty two? He

1097
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: was not at Michigan in twenty three and then was

1098
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: hired by Obama before our game, But he was like

1099
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: eleven months removed or whatever got you. I don't quote

1100
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: man exactly right.

1101
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: And you you assumed the reason why he was hired

1102
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: by Alabama right before?

1103
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, why wouldn't you have hired him earlier in

1104
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: the year, right?

1105
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: Because Alabama was trying to cheat? I'll say it.

1106
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like in the NFL if somebody like, yeah,

1107
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: if I were to be playing for Washington, I get

1108
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: cut and the Eagles bring me in right away and

1109
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: they want to just know.

1110
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Like you're you're squealing like a pig.

1111
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when I when I when I came to

1112
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: the Titans, I was in the offensive room with Lafleur

1113
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: and then breaking down the Washington breaking down Washington defense,

1114
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: how we played cover one and how we did things

1115
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: in the red zone, how we played triangle when it

1116
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: was three by one, like all that stuff. You want

1117
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: to win. I mean, at the end of the day,

1118
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: you want to win.

1119
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: I want to keep breaking down this this crazy underground

1120
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: world of trading different teams information. When did you become

1121
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: aware of this?

1122
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 5: Uh, eighteen eighteen is when you found out there's a navy.

1123
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I never no one ever really talked to me

1124
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: from other season Na, yeah, leaving it.

1125
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: I want help.

1126
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: We're good.

1127
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you. I just got killed.

1128
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, still shiit twenty eighteen.

1129
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 3: It was after the after the regular season. I think

1130
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: it was after that I got a call someone asking

1131
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: for some stuff on some certain teams. Yeah, and that's

1132
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: when I was like, wait, what what teams?

1133
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: What teams were calling about?

1134
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: What teams again, I shouldn't read anyone, Okay.

1135
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: I have a question in your opinion subjective of course,

1136
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: What are the best hidden cameras on the market? Is

1137
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: it Sony Cannon? Are there some glasses out there?

1138
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 3: I am not in a hidden camera business. I don't

1139
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: need hitting cameras.

1140
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick moment and interrupt this episode

1141
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: this football season, don't walk around with helmet hair like

1142
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: a total rookie. You've been in the game long enough

1143
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: to know that how you wear your hair matters, and

1144
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: just because your team's mascot is a wolverine doesn't mean

1145
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: you should look like one. Up top, keep your head

1146
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: in the game and go to sport Clips. They are

1147
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: pro stylists that have mastered the x's and o's of

1148
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: men's hair, so you can get a tight fade well

1149
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: kicking back and watch us and fade routes on TV.

1150
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: They'll have a perfectly crafted game plan to make you

1151
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: look your best, no halftime adjustments needed. Remember the difference

1152
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: between an okay cut and a great cut is called

1153
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: sport clips. It is a game changer. Back to this episode, tea.

1154
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: Breaks have been taken by Connor and by will I

1155
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: had this protein bar and let me give a shameless

1156
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: shoutout real quick, dude to alpha alpha ten?

1157
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Alpha ten? No free shoutouts.

1158
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: However, this is like a mom and pop shop type

1159
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: thing to get off a nation Chelsea very delicious, sticks

1160
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: to your teeth, coats the.

1161
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: Throat, coats the throat.

1162
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: So there's been so much obviously the landscape of college

1163
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: football and how you do play calling has changed so much,

1164
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of it has to do with what

1165
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: happened last year with Michigan and everything like that. That you

1166
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: are piny fingers at you.

1167
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: I don't think anything is people. People didn't people in

1168
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 3: football didn't change much. Yeah, it's just the media perception.

1169
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: So because now they're going to the comp times, so

1170
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: is it much more difficult to steal?

1171
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: So now it's actually signal seeling is happening more now.

1172
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: So remember I explained the whole you know, how how

1173
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: it evolved, how it works, and the difference between the

1174
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: NFL and college it's just because of the tempo. I mean, shoot,

1175
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: NFL teams still signals some not all the time, but

1176
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: like if they ever want to go tempo, they signal.

1177
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, go temple.

1178
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: You gotta signal.

1179
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's the coach to the quarterback and then the

1180
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 3: quarterback signals to the receivers and tells everyone in the core.

1181
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: Or some teams have signalers on the sideline that are

1182
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: ready to signal anytime they want to go tempo. That's

1183
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: the league though. College now that new helmet communications. It's

1184
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: not a rule, right, it's not a mandate, it's just

1185
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 3: a feature. It's a tool. So now coaches can talk

1186
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 3: to the quarterbacks. That doesn't mean they have to signal

1187
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: or or that doesn't mean they have to huddle or

1188
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: that they want to huddle. So what's happening now, and

1189
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: this isn't for everyone, but a lot of teams are

1190
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: doing this. Is now they are continuing to go up

1191
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: tempo and they are stealing the defensive signal and now

1192
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: they can just talk to the quarterback up until fifteen

1193
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: seconds and tell them exactly what's coming. So, hey, they're

1194
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 3: blitzing the nickel, they're dropping the boundary in, throw the

1195
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: slant to the slot. Whatever it is. Now you can

1196
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: do that. There's already you know, I'm not going to

1197
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: say who. It's not a Big ten school, but there's

1198
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: already been a team that has had bluetooth to the

1199
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 3: quarterback for years.

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: No shit, really, I guess.

1201
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not gonna tell you if you're cold.

1202
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: It's just not in the big ten.

1203
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: It's a big time team.

1204
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: It's a powerful, powerful power five what do you want

1205
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 3: to call it? Time?

1206
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, is irrelevant?

1207
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: So like why you know the officials aren't going to

1208
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: check to see if there's bluetooth because in ninety nine

1209
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: percent of people's minds, you would only have bluetooth to

1210
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: huddle up, when in reality, you have bluetooth to tell

1211
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: the QB what the defensive signal is. Now that's happening

1212
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: a lot. So it's I mean, it's funny. I've I've

1213
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: gotten phone calls from teams asking if I still have

1214
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: so and so signals and whatnot? Really uh, And I'm

1215
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 3: not even you know, technically in it right now, technically

1216
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: technically uh. And then I mean, shoot, I have gone

1217
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 3: to every Michigan game and everyone we played his signal.

1218
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: Really on offense, and you are you're still sitting Minnesota

1219
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: did not, they didn't last, but everyone else sitting in

1220
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: the stands and you can see the signal color, and

1221
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: so you essentially know what's happening.

1222
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, when I'm at the Michigan games, now,

1223
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm just there to enjoy it. When I know, I'm

1224
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: obviously aware enough to see, oh they're signaling. And for example,

1225
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 3: like USC when we played USC, you know it's the

1226
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley offense. It's the same as his brother Garrett

1227
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 3: Riley when he was at TCU and now Clemson. I

1228
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: was even remembering some of the stuff like, oh, wait,

1229
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: isn't this this is just all go special and it

1230
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: was right. You know, they're not they're not changing their signals.

1231
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 3: Maybe a few, but like Texas, they they signaled every

1232
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: single play the whole game. And you know, again it's

1233
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: or we're definitely at a disadvantage now because we don't

1234
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: have our signal guy and everyone else has theirs. So

1235
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: you know, it goes back to that cat cat mouse game.

1236
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: So you've not become the mouse in every situation.

1237
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, unless you make sure you signal second. So

1238
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 3: and there we didn't make sure we're doing that if

1239
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: or not.

1240
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you see out of Michigan this year? Issue?

1241
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 1: I mean, outside of not having a quarterback, well, you.

1242
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: Have fifteen guys or whatever that we lost the league, right, Like,

1243
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 3: that's not easy? Yeah, okay, and then you lose your

1244
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: strength coach, your entire defensive staff. You know, you're obviously

1245
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: your head coach. It's it's gonna be a step back,

1246
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's not it's not that easy to maintain

1247
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 3: success when you when when that happens. Yeah, I think. Uh,

1248
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: I watched your video yesterday. You know, I'm still optimistic,

1249
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 3: too good. And I told you not to watch. I

1250
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: told nobody to watch. Correct.

1251
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: I was just putting for people just to.

1252
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: Have correct I heard someone else watching it stole that, ye,

1253
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: And uh, you know I think, well won the bye

1254
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: week couldn't come in any better time. Well timed bye week.

1255
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: There's a lot of parody in college football this year,

1256
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah. That must be a product of nil

1257
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: and the portal in full effect now. But you know,

1258
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: other than Texas, and I mean, I guess Ohio State

1259
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: that they beat they did beat Iowa. But has anyone

1260
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: else looked really good every single week? Right?

1261
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: In your opinion, you feel like because you were on

1262
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: that side of it, you were also in recruiting. Do

1263
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: you feel like Michigan is doing what they need to

1264
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: do in the whole portal game with the nil and

1265
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: everything else.

1266
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the issue at the portal that a

1267
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: lot of people are voicing their opinions now and they're

1268
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: upset about you know, why did we not get someone

1269
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: at this position in that position? Well, the portal was

1270
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: closed by the time. Like, something's got to happen in

1271
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: college football because if you make the playoffs, you are

1272
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 3: screwed for the portal for the following season because the

1273
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: portal time frame is while you're prepping for the playoffs,

1274
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 3: So your players aren't announcing if they're leaving or not.

1275
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: So how do you recruit a guy and convince him

1276
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: to come to Michigan when that guy, for all he knows, like, well,

1277
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: so and so isn't leaving, And how do you tell him, Oh,

1278
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: he is going to leave? But then what if he

1279
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: doesn't leave? You know, And that's not that's not on

1280
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: a kid either, Like like JJ for example, you can't

1281
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 3: expect him to make an announcement during the playoffs about

1282
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: if he's going to go to the league. Right, He's

1283
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 3: not thinking about that, right, He's just in the moment,

1284
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: and that's that's who he is. Right, and that's also

1285
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 3: who he should be for the team in that moment.

1286
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: But he's not. Yeah, I mean maybe there's backdoor conversations

1287
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: with his family, but he's not going to make some

1288
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: announcement saying, you know, hey, I'm gonna leave after this game.

1289
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 3: So that's an issue the timing of everything because then

1290
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, are they students or are they athletes?

1291
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: Because the semester starting in January is really what why

1292
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 3: the portal from my understanding, why the portal closes at

1293
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: that time and then it just opens up for a

1294
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 3: couple of days. But everyone that you would want.

1295
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: Is all the all the best players are gone. Now

1296
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: you're getting the tier two, two or three guys.

1297
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 3: So you know, Sharon is definitely the man for the job.

1298
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 3: He is an elite leader. Everyone loves him, great dude

1299
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Speaker 3: loves football. Like I remember, you know, if it's.

1300
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: One a m.

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: And you're on your grind watching film, whatever you're doing,

1302
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 3: and you go to the bathroom or you go get

1303
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 3: water whatever and come back, and he was always one

1304
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: of the like three people that were there that late.

1305
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: Still yes, still about it, all about it. So I

1306
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: mean it seems like we're gonna they're gonna have a

1307
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: chance to do the portal this year not making the playoffs.

1308
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: If they don't make the playoffs, correct, we'll have time, Correct,

1309
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: we'll be able to reload for next year, is what

1310
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: you're saying. Correct Now, is anybody sitting in the seat

1311
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: you were sitting in last year at Michigan Now they

1312
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: don't have that anymore?

1313
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 3: With the signals? Yeah, not to my knowledge.

1314
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: What else outside of signals? Obviously you're known for being

1315
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: the signal master, but I think everyone understands that, Like

1316
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: signal stealing is like you're trying to gain whatever advantage

1317
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: you can. Like every every locker room, every meeting I've

1318
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: been in, you're trying to break down whether it's coaches

1319
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: copy or TV copies. You got somebody up there giving

1320
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: a presentation on signals. Whether whatever you do with it

1321
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: is ultimately up to you, depends on how much information

1322
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: you can retain. But what else outside of the spectrum

1323
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: of signals? Was kind of like your bread and butter?

1324
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: Was it like two minute drills or situations in there?

1325
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, you know, one of the beauties at Michigan,

1326
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,919
Speaker 3: Coach Harbaugh hired a great staff to recruit great players,

1327
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: and he just empowered his staff. So there was a

1328
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: lot of overlap between. Like, you know, it wasn't like

1329
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: if I, on paper, I'm a recruiting guy, I wasn't

1330
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 3: only doing recruiting right, or or if you're a defensive analyst,

1331
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: you're not only breaking down third down or people helping

1332
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: each other out a lot, filling in gaps when needed.

1333
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 3: But during the season it was, you know, a little

1334
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 3: bit of recruiting mostly. You know, I was in every

1335
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 3: defensive staff meeting. You know, you're game planning, I'm breaking

1336
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: down film prepping linebacker meetings for coach Partridge, So you know,

1337
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: because it's it's a race, right like every The thing

1338
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: that people don't realize is every I know you guys

1339
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 3: realize it, but from Sunday warning to kick off on Saturday,

1340
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 3: it's literally who can prepare faster than their opponent. And

1341
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: you know, the linebacker coach, for example, should not be

1342
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: the guy that is going in and finding the specific

1343
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 3: clips for the meeting. He's the one coaching the clips

1344
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 3: you are going through, Like, so I would go through

1345
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: the film and pick out, you know, what he wanted

1346
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 3: for the linebacker meeting, for example, stuff like that, and

1347
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: also breaking down opponents. So like I was mentioning that

1348
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: formation tendency stuff like that, you know, because every so

1349
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: like you know, Monday for the linebackers might be you know,

1350
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 3: first and second down, what do they do on first

1351
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: and second down? Tuesdays may be you know, short yardage,

1352
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 3: goal line. Wednesdays might be third and long whatever it is,

1353
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: however you break that down. And so I would prepare

1354
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 3: the meetings for the backers, you know, every day, and

1355
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 3: then you know, the signal stuff because that was again

1356
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: you know, it was just a portion of the job.

1357
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 3: Is something I just did anytime I didn't have, like

1358
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: I had some free time to Okay, we're done prepping

1359
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 3: for linebacker meetings practices in an hour. I'm gonna I'm

1360
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 3: gonna crank out an hour of this and then I

1361
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: try to finish that by Tuesdays usually Wednesday, and then

1362
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: give myself two days to memorize everything, memorize my sheet,

1363
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: you know, feel comfortable with it, and you know the

1364
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 3: tough part. It's this goes for everyone though, right because again,

1365
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: you play your opponent and then you're done. So for me,

1366
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: it was play your opponent. I'm not I'm not kidding. Maybe,

1367
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 3: with the exception of like Ohio State and Michigan State,

1368
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: I might remember a few, but an hour after the game,

1369
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: I could not tell you a single signal that I

1370
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 3: just remembered for that game, because it's onto whoever, right,

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 3: Like I don't care being a president possible, yes, So,

1372
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: and usually I would try to get a couple of

1373
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: days ahead, so like if I fit, let's just say, uh,

1374
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: you know, let's say I were there now and we're

1375
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 3: playing Illinois in a couple of weeks after the bye

1376
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: and then who's after them, Michigan State. Yeah, so I

1377
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: would try to finish Illinois. Well, pretend there's no bye week.

1378
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 3: Pretend we're in Illinois week right now. I would try

1379
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 3: to finish them by Tuesday, maybe Wednesday at the latest,

1380
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 3: and then by Thursday morning. It's like two separate mind

1381
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: frames where one I am calmly memorizing my sheet for

1382
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: the Illinois game and also getting ahead with Michigan State

1383
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: so I can finish them by the following Tuesday, because

1384
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: I always want to give myself a couple of days

1385
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: to as I'm sure everyone does, you know, for everything

1386
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: they do, whether it be coordinating a play calling or

1387
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: coaching your position or being an actual player, like you

1388
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 3: want to at least have. You don't want to be

1389
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 3: like racing all the way up until kickoff and your

1390
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: mind's going a thousand different directions. So that is kind

1391
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 3: of how I scheduled everything for myself.

1392
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 2: When you so like during the week, you say like, yeah,

1393
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: like in the league, it would be like Wednesday would

1394
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: be like first and second down, Thursday would be all

1395
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 2: third down, Yeah then yeah, then the red zone and

1396
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But we'd have assistant coaches like Mike

1397
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 2: Sullivan would always break down in front the entire offense.

1398
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: These are the blitzes these teams do. Did you ever

1399
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: get to sit in front of the entire defense?

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: And no, because I was an analyst, and up until

1401
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:34,520
Speaker 3: this year, UH, analysts could not do like on field,

1402
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: you know, could not instruct players or anything like that.

1403
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: You could only assist the coaches. So I would prepare

1404
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: like I would help coach Partridge for example, you know

1405
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: if he had short yardage goal line, I would help

1406
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: him prepare the clips for that and the organization right meeting.

1407
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, are there were there a couple of defensive players

1408
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: that gravitated towards all the information and knowledge you had

1409
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: of the exces, and I mean the guys that understand

1410
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: it in the dah.

1411
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 3: A lot of the players, I mean, even like Mikey

1412
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: Sanders still is uh. I mean I've I've learned some

1413
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: of the defense from him, you know, like some of

1414
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 3: these you know, these guys are really smart, great leaders.

1415
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: He's Mike He's probably the best non military leader I've

1416
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 3: ever been around. Really, yes, he is. Uh, He's that guy.

1417
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he started as a receiver and

1418
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 3: then yeah, flashbacks he had that nice catch, that diving

1419
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 3: catch in Lincoln, Nebraska that night game as a receiver

1420
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 3: and then the very next year changes to nickel and

1421
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: he's our starting nickel and one of the best Nickels

1422
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: in the country. Just like that. But I mean he's

1423
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: a guy that he led by example and he was

1424
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: not afraid to check anyone. But I mean I was

1425
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: close with a lot of the players because it's like

1426
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 3: a brotherhood. You know, I was what like twenty seven

1427
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: years old, twenty years old at the time, and they're

1428
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 3: anywhere from eighteen to twenty three, So I'm closer in

1429
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 3: age to them than they are to the coach like

1430
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: the full time coaches. So yeah, I was pretty close

1431
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 3: with the majority of the team. It truly was like

1432
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 3: a family atmosphere where I mean everyone got along with everyone,

1433
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: And that goes back to coach Harbaugh hiring a great

1434
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 3: staff and that great staff recruiting just the right people.

1435
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: I know, we're getting kind of close to that hour

1436
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: thirty mark right now. I had a question about EXOS,

1437
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: and I heard a rumor that there was pirrating videos

1438
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,959
Speaker 2: going on from EXOS, the film company that was actually pirrating,

1439
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: taking Michigan's practice film and giving it to other Big

1440
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: Ten teams. Do you have any knowledge of that at all.

1441
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what.

1442
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: Exo's role would be or allegedly and that is allegedly. Yeah,

1443
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 3: well most most teams, yeah, have have Exos. There's dv

1444
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: sport too. All I'll say is I have seen other

1445
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 3: Big Ten schools signals. I'm talking the original signal film

1446
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: that was fit like a ga doing the signals in

1447
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 3: the quarterback room right like the players would have on

1448
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: catapult to study. I've seen other teams signals of that that.

1449
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: The people who showed me that claim they got it

1450
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 3: from Ohio State.

1451
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: Oh.

1452
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 3: Interesting, I've seen that with my own eyes. So people

1453
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,959
Speaker 3: that have the play calls, like Ohio State, for example,

1454
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: may have traded that to someone for a different teams

1455
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 3: signals or whatnot, and that someone may have may have

1456
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 3: shown me, dude, you better be careful because look at

1457
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: what they got.

1458
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: And I'm like, they made you aware of correct, yes,

1459
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: and that's probably illegal, right, I'm not a lawyer.

1460
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: I have a question your manifesto. What what was the

1461
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: foundation of it? Like for you philosophy wise, like, how

1462
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: did you start building out the manifesto? Obviously from military

1463
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: background you talked about the coaches in the past, but

1464
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: you yourself putting this thing together? What foundation was it

1465
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: built off of.

1466
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 3: The best way to explain that is it's organized how

1467
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 3: I would organize a football program, which is very military

1468
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 3: like in like a chain of command like a staff

1469
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 3: org chart, you know, or usually in groups of three,

1470
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 3: where like you have the head coach and headquarters, and

1471
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 3: then under them you have the football staff, the operations staff,

1472
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 3: and so on. Within the football staff. That would be

1473
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: like anything related to football itself. So I grew break

1474
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 3: that into three different categories. Personnel, so scouting, recruiting, the

1475
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 3: actual x's and O so often Stephen special teams, and

1476
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 3: then player performance, which is strain, the conditioning, you know,

1477
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 3: trainers and stuff like that. Nutrition, and then each of

1478
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 3: those has a broken down subcategory. So if you gave

1479
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: me a thought on like, hey, I saw this really

1480
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 3: good thing that such and such a school was doing

1481
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 3: with their nutrition program, I would just go boom boom,

1482
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 3: boom boom. There's a nutrition section, and I got all

1483
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 3: my organized notes and I'd put it in there. And

1484
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: if you were asked, if you were to ask me,

1485
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: how would you run your how would the logistics work

1486
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: for your operations department? Give me five seconds, I'll show

1487
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: you boom boom boom, and then there's all my notes

1488
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: on that. And that's kind of you know, it's just

1489
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 3: it's a really good book, Getting Things Done by David Allen.

1490
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 3: It's about how in order to actually apply something that

1491
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: you learn or see, or whether it be a quote

1492
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 3: or you know, something from a book, something from a movie,

1493
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: something from a conversation, you have to first be able

1494
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: to capture it, so write it down. Then you have

1495
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 3: to take that captured thought and be able to organize it.

1496
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 3: That's like my organized notes. The Michigan Manifesto and then

1497
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 3: you have to be able to reference it though. So

1498
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 3: that's why that's the beauty of If you're super organized,

1499
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,919
Speaker 3: then I can always go back to that. Like, for example,

1500
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 3: if I read a book on leadership, for example, there

1501
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 3: might be a quote about something that's not necessarily specifically

1502
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 3: you know, leadership. It might be about there could be

1503
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 3: a football, some football quote or something, and you got

1504
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 3: to be able to every time I read a book,

1505
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 3: I read the book, take all my notes, and then

1506
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 3: I go through the book again and everything I highlighted

1507
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: or underlined or wrote, I put that where it belongs

1508
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: in the manifesto, so then I can reference it without

1509
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 3: having to remember what book was that from. It was

1510
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 3: a quote about football, but it was in a leadership book.

1511
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 3: Like no, I just go to the football section and

1512
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 3: there's the quote.

1513
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:36,959
Speaker 2: I couldn't dream to be this organized.

1514
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: I could not.

1515
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: And the beauty of it too, I can talk about that.

1516
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 3: You know, probably never give away the Michigan Manifesto, but

1517
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 3: I can talk about it and no one will be

1518
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 3: able to duplicate it because I'm already fifteen years ahead. Right,

1519
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: How like good Luck?

1520
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:01,520
Speaker 1: How did it develop over the years from the organization.

1521
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And it's a Google doc now, And you say, like,

1522
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: how many pages is it? I can't give you an

1523
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 3: exact exact number because I found this out the hard way.

1524
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: A Google doc can't go over a thousand pages, so

1525
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: it's multiple Google docs.

1526
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: No shit, dude, yeah, God.

1527
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: How often do you go back and read and be like, Okay,

1528
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,879
Speaker 2: this is different now, this is different now. Nutrition, for instance,

1529
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: if you take something five years ago someone said about.

1530
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 3: Nutrition, it's just it's ongoing. It's ongoing, and I usually

1531
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 3: I try to visit it at least weekly, try to daily.

1532
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 3: But you know, like if you know I've been traveling

1533
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: last few days, I haven't you know, I haven't been

1534
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 3: on it. But what I do, Like, so at the

1535
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 3: Michigan Washington game. During the game, I have my notes up,

1536
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 3: not the actual Google docs, but just my notes app

1537
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: and I'm just taking notes on everything I see, Like, oh,

1538
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: I was at the Seahawks game Sunday too. You know,

1539
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: anytime I'm at a game or watching a game and

1540
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 3: I see a play I like or you know, situation

1541
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 3: like you know, this is bad flashbacks. But twenty eleven

1542
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: fourth and inches in East Lansing and we weren to

1543
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: playfake And you know, I just remembered that yesterday watching

1544
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 3: the I think the Seahawks Giants game, thinking, like, you know,

1545
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 3: fourth and inches. If I'm ever a coordinator, I don't

1546
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: want to call player the quarterbacks back is to the

1547
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 3: defense and fourth and inches unless he's given the ball.

1548
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 3: But it's just so risky. But like so anyway, you know,

1549
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 3: that just triggered that thought from twenty eleven. So I

1550
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: write that down in my notes, and then tonight when

1551
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 3: I get back, I will put that exactly where it

1552
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: belongs to the manifesto. So then whenever I'm a coordinator,

1553
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 3: I already have that in the fourth and short section

1554
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: to always reference and remind myself.

1555
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: Your memory is shaky. Yeah, are you sure that wasn't

1556
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: you at Central Imasure.

1557
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 2: The manifesto? Did you give the name manifesto? Yeah?

1558
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 3: So that was It was just like my notes, And

1559
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 3: I think it was during COVID when people didn't know

1560
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: if football was going to be happening or not. And

1561
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 3: a couple buddies of mine and I had these zooms

1562
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 3: just talking ball stand fresh in football, and uh, I

1563
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: remember kind of introducing it to one of them, and

1564
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 3: he's like, this is like a manifesto, and so we

1565
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 3: just kind of jokingly called it the Michigan Manifesto and then, uh,

1566
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, obviously the media ran with it. Dave ran

1567
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 3: with it, and I guess I now have to call

1568
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: it the Michigan Manifesto if.

1569
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 2: You've got to. Whenever you've decided, like I'm done doing

1570
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: the manifesto, you need to print that out hard copy

1571
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: and then just frame it somewhere, just a book.

1572
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 3: But there's never an end to the Michigan Manifesto.

1573
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 2: That was a dumb statement.

1574
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: And you win a National champions there's already a section

1575
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 3: in there. You know. This is like a sabanism, right,

1576
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: like where.

1577
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: You can start doing like encyclopedias. You gotta have like

1578
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: a volume one.

1579
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already have nine volumes, do you?

1580
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: He said, I already have nine? Boy?

1581
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: Are you just doing AI up here? From so she's

1582
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 2: just been popping up different AI AI pictures that he's

1583
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: decided to make.

1584
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean you saw you saw the recruiting the scouting

1585
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 3: map in the documentary, Yeah.

1586
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: Did you see that?

1587
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a map of the United States

1588
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: and it's where every single draft pick, right.

1589
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 3: Every draft pick. So basically what I did was, again,

1590
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 3: I can say this because well, you know, you could

1591
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 3: probably hire some AI or you can do whatever now

1592
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 3: and probably catch you up on this. But it's just

1593
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 3: the concept. This is just one of you know, hundreds

1594
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 3: of concepts in the manifesto where you know, people always

1595
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: talk about states, like what's the best state for recruiting?

1596
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: Is it Georgia, is it Florida, is it Texas? Is

1597
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 3: it California? And I just kind of realized, why are

1598
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: we talking about states? It's literally something that Lewis and

1599
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 3: Clark drew back in the eighteen hundreds. Why would you

1600
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 3: recruit based on some state boundaries that were drawn a

1601
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: couple hundred years ago. So what I did was I

1602
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 3: plotted every single draft pick. I took the Google map

1603
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 3: layer like off where you couldn't even tell where you were,

1604
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 3: and I just plotted everyone, and then I just drew

1605
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 3: my own little regions around where the mass people were

1606
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 3: and just kind of went from there, because like you know,

1607
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 3: when people say Florida is great, well it's mostly Fort Lauderdale, Miami.

1608
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 3: Right when people say California, it's mostly LA and the

1609
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 3: Bay Area Texas mainly Dallas, Houston. Yes, there are certain

1610
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: states like Georgia and Texas where it is more spread out.

1611
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 3: But I just kind of figured, you know why, and

1612
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 3: it's my position too. Now, I'm not going to give

1613
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:52,560
Speaker 3: away which positions in which sub regions are worth recruiting

1614
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 3: more than others, but yeah, there's definitely like certain regions

1615
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,480
Speaker 3: are hotbeds for certain positions.

1616
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: So what's the best state for recruiter? What's the best region?

1617
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: Region? Miami?

1618
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 2: Miami is the best region. How's Arizona? How does Arizona

1619
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: hold up?

1620
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if you weren't there, then it wouldn't be

1621
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 3: as great.

1622
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 2: That is exactly how I wanted you to answer that.

1623
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know that's how I wanted you to answer,

1624
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 2: but that's what I needed.

1625
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 3: But you know, I think Georgia is probably the best

1626
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 3: state where if you just close your eyes and put

1627
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: your finger anywhere on the on the state of Georgia,

1628
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 3: you're closed to a player that's been drafted.

1629
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, it's extremely informative.

1630
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I've loved every minute of this.

1631
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: We got a couple of sections, we got twisted question

1632
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: and then tier talk. I think we have multiple tier

1633
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: talks one that we're just gonna give to you. But

1634
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 2: the twisted question, I don't think that was necessary.

1635
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 6: All right, This twisted question comes from Greg Hohenstein at

1636
01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 6: Greg Hoe forty eight.

1637
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: Graham shout out, Greg hoe forty eight.

1638
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 6: Your best Big ten super team versus your best SEC

1639
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 6: super team? Who's on it? And who is winning?

1640
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Man? I could be the wrong person ask here because

1641
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: I can't. It's not like I can sit here and

1642
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: think of all the players, like just throw in, you

1643
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 1: know one of the nineties Nebraska teams. I think you're

1644
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good.

1645
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 3: But is that a Big ten team? Though they are now? Yeah,

1646
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 3: but they weren't Big ten, right, they weren't Big ten?

1647
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: Then?

1648
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: All right, so let's start a quarterback who's representing the

1649
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Big ten.

1650
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 3: We're completely creating our team from scratch. We're not saying,

1651
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 3: like Georgia twenty one.

1652
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 6: Your creat your like picking players.

1653
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be tough.

1654
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah's that's a that's a very long winded twisted question.

1655
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 3: Can we we just gotta go like the best O line,

1656
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: the best receiver corps? Maybe?

1657
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just start with you big ten? All right,

1658
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Big ten quarterback? I mean or Tom, you're using one

1659
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: of the Michigan ones recently.

1660
01:28:54,680 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, line yeah twenty two Michigan GP twenty twenty two,

1661
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Michigan on line twenty three. Man, they didn't technically didn't win.

1662
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 3: We we didn't win the Joe Morroward last year, but

1663
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: that was probably because they just felt back because we

1664
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 3: won it twice in a row.

1665
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: First time we ever want it twice in a row.

1666
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: But that I would say that, I could say that line.

1667
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 3: Are we working on this together?

1668
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to.

1669
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 2: There's no way the three of us are gonna do.

1670
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 3: Uh. So we'll say that a line. I hate saying this,

1671
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 3: but it's gotta be one of the Ohio State Receiving

1672
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Corps recently.

1673
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: No, yeah, with old Mormon Harrison Jr.

1674
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, well, if you're gonna pick them, then

1675
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 3: you gotta pick Michigan's dbs though.

1676
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1677
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 2: Right, So we're just a hot state in Michigan so far.

1678
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 2: So what's that CJ. Stroud might be?

1679
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 3: But this is all time, I do you know? I

1680
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 3: respect CJ. Good guy. He didn't beat Michigan.

1681
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: Though he didn't beat Michigan.

1682
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Couldn't beat Michigan.

1683
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 3: Let me see you, J t Barrett. Yeah, they had three,

1684
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 3: they had Dwayne. All three of those guys right back,

1685
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 3: back to back.

1686
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is way harder than I expected it to be.

1687
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,879
Speaker 3: Troy Smith to you wanna.

1688
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 2: Put Kittle at tight end? Pepe grab the you can

1689
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: do the SEC team.

1690
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 3: Are they keeping track of this? You got you gotta

1691
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 3: have Joe Burrow. No, I don't know Cam Newton though

1692
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 3: his twenty ten season. Yeah, superman, Johnny.

1693
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: You guys do the SEC.

1694
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 2: We'll do the Big ten all time.

1695
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the number one greatest running back of all time

1696
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and the Big Ten. I'm looking at Archie Griffin Ohio State. Yeah,

1697
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: that's big, that's big for the Big Ten.

1698
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll take him. We'll take and let me

1699
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: look at Uh. I'll do I'm gonna do linebackers.

1700
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm almost assuming like again.

1701
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 3: And is this is this while they were in college?

1702
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, maybe we just do a defense because for linebackers,

1703
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,839
Speaker 1: you you can always pick like a like a Pensi squad.

1704
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, when they had uh, but.

1705
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 2: You probably want Arrington. Yeah, Michigan defense.

1706
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 3: If you're going full defense, yeah, if you're going full defense,

1707
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: I mean.

1708
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Hay allottle bit yesh This is a way harder question

1709
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: than I wanted to. Yeah, shree Pass, is there a

1710
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: backup question? It's just too much, just too much brain power.

1711
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: We might have to all look at of all time

1712
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: best players.

1713
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: Ulton Mescoulton Mescos were the first players I met at

1714
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Michigan and they made like the Ray guy, you got

1715
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 2: way too much playing time, Ray guy. Dude, he that

1716
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 2: uh that door was first made in twenty two and nine.

1717
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 2: He walked out and they're like, oh, it's big enough

1718
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 2: to wear a punter can and then first without warming

1719
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: up at the top. It was like the most deflating

1720
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: the Alcala Field House.

1721
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 3: Where we're talking to Mumford real quick.

1722
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk Mumford. Well, we'll wait till these boys

1723
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 2: we they find out that we're punny on this. So Mumford, I.

1724
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Mean you got Charles Woodson.

1725
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what they can I as I'm kind of just

1726
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 2: over the question, honest, Yeah, yeah, this is little. Then

1727
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 2: entire episode is like, let's just figure out the best

1728
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 2: all time conference teams.

1729
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: I actually have a question for him about Mumford. No, no, no, no, Mumford,

1730
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, stick on Mumford because.

1731
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 3: A question I won't forget about Mumford. You keep that picture.

1732
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna forget.

1733
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: Give me three coaches you feel like you've learned the

1734
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 1: most from in real time now, like with the people

1735
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: you were inspired by and everything.

1736
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, guys, we punted on this question, twisted question.

1737
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: Three coaches, three coaches he's learned the most from. Yeah,

1738
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: three coaches he's learned the most from. That's added the

1739
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: that's added value to the manifesto, big value.

1740
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 3: That's actually, yeah, that's that's probably the best way to Yeah,

1741
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 3: to ask that too. M hm. Kenny amount to Lolo Navy,

1742
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 3: head coach now at San Josis say winning as head

1743
01:33:53,600 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 3: coach football history, Chris Partridge, and I got two in mine.

1744
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 3: For this third spot, it's either Jay Harbor or Mike McDonald.

1745
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 3: And ironically all of those guys are in Seattle. I'd

1746
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 3: say Jay, I've spent more time around Jay.

1747
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 2: Those are the three that the manifesto the most.

1748
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, just from observing them and and asking them questions

1749
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 3: and picking their brains.

1750
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: How many coaches knew you had this manifesto going? Uh

1751
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: not like manifesto? Like, Yeah, I think I.

1752
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 3: Think a lot of people just kind of knew. I

1753
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 3: was very organized and had a bunch of notes and

1754
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:40,799
Speaker 3: pulled out ideas.

1755
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: Was any coach like curious, like, hey, have you been

1756
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,440
Speaker 1: logging everything? Like, let's see this organization.

1757
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: I think every coach has their own system of notes, right, yeah,

1758
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 3: maybe not as organized, but I don't think people really

1759
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 3: think about it as much because they just kind of

1760
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: write down their note now, you know, once they realized, wait,

1761
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 3: maybe they're interviewing for a next job up or whatever

1762
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 3: and they need to organize everything. It's that's why I

1763
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: go back to like vision, the concept of vision itself,

1764
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 3: like when you picture yourself as that, you just start

1765
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 3: from the beginning like that. So you just organize everything

1766
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 3: as if you're the head coach and then you're ready

1767
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 3: for anything.

1768
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: I love it too, man, should we do to your talk?

1769
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 2: And then I have one final question.

1770
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 3: We gotta get a skip.

1771
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, talk about so the boys just they got themselves.

1772
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 3: Our first game in a long long time.

1773
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 2: Let's give a shout out to Monthford and we say.

1774
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 3: A long long.

1775
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: Like, let's check it on conversiding that you just took

1776
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: an ass whoop in like sixty.

1777
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. We also play like cast Tech and cas like

1778
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 3: the school in Detroit.

1779
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Mounthford, you say it has been a long long

1780
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 2: time since you guys got a.

1781
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 3: W I think they won one game last year, none

1782
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 3: of the year before, and two the year before that,

1783
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 3: something like that. So you it's been rough.

1784
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 2: So you resign from Michigan and Momford calls up and says, please,

1785
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 2: for the love of God, do something for us.

1786
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: That is that how it happened.

1787
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 3: I know the head coach, and he asked if I

1788
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 3: wanted to be to DC. And then it's kind of

1789
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:13,839
Speaker 3: all we only have like four coaches.

1790
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: So and you're thinking yourself, what a challenge, no doubt?

1791
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you see the fucking doubt. What how has

1792
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 2: the defense gotten better since you've gotten there?

1793
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we all kind of coach everything. So I'm

1794
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 3: coaching all sides of the ball. Yeah yeah, and uh,

1795
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 3: for example, we have two offensive linemen in the entire program,

1796
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 3: no ship too, yep, So.

1797
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: Well, you have two players that play offensive line in

1798
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 2: the entire program.

1799
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 3: We have two true offensive linemen. So like our tight end,

1800
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 3: Norman Adams.

1801
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: Shout out.

1802
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 3: Shout outs to Norman could be a very recruitable tight end,

1803
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 3: had had to take one for the team and he's

1804
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 3: our left tackle. It gets better, guys, it gets better.

1805
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 2: Lane Johnson happened him are so last week.

1806
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: Every day it's like playing Tetris with the depth chart,

1807
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 3: and our starting slot had to be our right guard.

1808
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 3: In the game, we won.

1809
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: The right guard.

1810
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 3: Ye stepped up, Nate shout out to Nate, played right guard,

1811
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 3: got the dub. We ran the ball every play except one.

1812
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: All right, So you know it comes with its own challenges.

1813
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot of challenges, a lot of challenges, and

1814
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 3: you know it's really turned into uh, guys taking sacrifices, right, Like, hey,

1815
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 3: what you know, some guys wake up one day thinking

1816
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 3: they're going to be the slot receiver getting some carries,

1817
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 3: and then they find themselves starting as the right guard.

1818
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:56,919
Speaker 2: In the trenches.

1819
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:57,879
Speaker 3: In the trenches.

1820
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: Crazy. You enjoyed about the high school level?

1821
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 2: How easy this sign sort of steal?

1822
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 3: No, there hasn't been a single sign. Oh we because

1823
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 3: so we we Right, obviously we have some challenges. We

1824
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 3: have two offensive linemen. I mean I could stop right there.

1825
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 3: So you got to be able to manipulate tempo right

1826
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 3: to your advantage. So and I can talk about this.

1827
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean, no one's gonna have an answer for it.

1828
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 3: So you know, we with two offensive linemen, what do

1829
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 3: you do? Well, we do a lot of uh, I

1830
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 3: don't even know what you want to call. It's not

1831
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 3: even tackle over, it's like everyone over.

1832
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: So you just take the two offensive line, like, hey,

1833
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna play on the left side.

1834
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 3: No, no, Like the center is the last guy on

1835
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 3: the line and everyone else is over there. But you

1836
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 3: can't just line up like that that. You can't just

1837
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 3: give them fifteen seconds to adjust. So we we use

1838
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 3: like five or six different tempos where you know, one

1839
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 3: of them is a speed break huddle. So we'll speed

1840
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 3: break to overloading one side and snapping the ball and

1841
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 3: three seconds. Like you're not gonna be able to adjust

1842
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 3: to that in three seconds, Well, speed break into like

1843
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 3: pods where we have just the center and quarterback, five

1844
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 3: guys over there, four guys over there. If you don't

1845
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 3: match your numbers, we're snapping it and getting it out.

1846
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,839
Speaker 3: And we scored. We got a seventy five yard touchdown

1847
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 3: last week on that in the refs through a flag

1848
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: for twelve minute on the field, and I told her

1849
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 3: I got to stay on the field, stand in the fountain,

1850
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 3: yell at the ref count them. What do you mean

1851
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 3: twelve on the field, and they count them and then

1852
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 3: they go and have this meeting for like ten minutes,

1853
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 3: Like what are they talking about. There's eleven on the field.

1854
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 3: There's been eleven on the field, and then all of

1855
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 3: a sudden they change it from twelve on the field

1856
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:36,959
Speaker 3: to five in the backfield.

1857
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: They're like, look, we're worried right now. How do we

1858
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: get out of this?

1859
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: Michigan State fans they.

1860
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 3: Saw you, and they're like, probably probably got it.

1861
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 2: We got to make sure this guy doesn't have success

1862
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: anywhere now.

1863
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, so we you know, we utilize tempo

1864
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 3: to our advantage, and then we'll go fast. You know,

1865
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 3: we'll go fast tempo and run a play real quick,

1866
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 3: and then we'll just go regular old tempo, take our time.

1867
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 3: Everything's on a wristband. They look at it when they

1868
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 3: get lined up, they run it, and then we'll go

1869
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: fast a game. But will hard count get them to

1870
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: jump first down? So we you know, it's like we

1871
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 3: had like a ten minute drive. We didn't even score

1872
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 3: half ended, but like, hey, last defense is not even

1873
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 3: being on the field. Uh, drive didn't even score with

1874
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 3: the half ended. It's so funny to the boys.

1875
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: What's your record right now?

1876
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 3: Uh, we're one to know starting this last week, let's go.

1877
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 2: Clos are one and oh.

1878
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 3: We've got three games left and we we actually could

1879
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 3: squeak into the playoffs if we win these last league.

1880
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 3: Well we're Division three, so we actually.

1881
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Just beat a Division one team big time. Okay, Right,

1882
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: gotta get the kids.

1883
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 2: We gotta get kids eligible, we gotta get kids ready,

1884
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 2: we gotta get kids to buy into the program.

1885
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and it is, you know, and I don't blame them.

1886
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 3: It's been tough, right, it's a it's a big culture shock.

1887
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 3: And uh when you are first three games were against

1888
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 3: like three juggernauts, and when they haven't won in a

1889
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 3: long time, you know, you know, you don't say this,

1890
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 3: but you kind of go in. You know, it's like

1891
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 3: it's like being a Max school playing uh, you know,

1892
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 3: Alabama or whatever, and you know you're you're you're prepping

1893
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 3: like crazy, but you know you're not shocked if you

1894
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 3: don't win, right, Yeah, And then week four, Week five,

1895
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 3: it was way more winnable games. We were in them,

1896
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 3: and it's just like we just got to get that

1897
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 3: win to help with the buy in and now that

1898
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 3: we got it, these.

1899
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 2: Guys are brought in, right, he's got to get another

1900
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 2: one against Southeastern.

1901
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 3: Big game on the road.

1902
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: Everybody show up.

1903
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 2: How is the student section from Mumford? Damn is Chandler

1904
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Park Academy?

1905
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 3: They they that's homecoming. Yeah, I don't think that's a

1906
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 3: road game. No, it's supposed to be a home game.

1907
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Okay, right now, the way up, that is wrong, I

1908
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 2: think so a.

1909
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 3: Lot of a lot of these scores are wrong too.

1910
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 3: By the way, there's one thirty to nothing. Renaissance scored

1911
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 3: three times. How do you get thirty points in three scores?

1912
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,520
Speaker 3: Or maybe it was four scores in safety that they

1913
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:12,480
Speaker 3: had four touchdowns.

1914
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: But we were hilarious.

1915
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 3: We were four for four on two conversion.

1916
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: I mean, cast Tech is like my freshman year.

1917
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 1: There was like that, Dan.

1918
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 3: Lewis, Yeah, that whole Yeah, that was like, whoever are.

1919
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: You guys scoreless up until the last week.

1920
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 3: We scored in the first game.

1921
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 2: Okay, but a shout up Momford, dude, shout up Mumford.

1922
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's all time. I'll get this last question

1923
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 2: and then we can go to your talk and then

1924
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 2: we'll close shop here. So there's obviously a lot of

1925
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 2: things that you are alleged doing legally illegally with that, well,

1926
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:48,879
Speaker 2: nothing illegal you're allegedly people are saying.

1927
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 3: And bylaws, right, nothing against the constitution.

1928
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: Right, nothing is the contition. So there's a lot of

1929
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 2: things that people are saying that you did. Who else

1930
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 2: in the Bag ten are you aware of are doing

1931
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: the same things you're being accused of doing.

1932
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 3: I'm not there, so I don't wanna. I don't want

1933
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 3: to say exactly this is what this team's doing, this

1934
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: is what that team's doing. But there's a lot of

1935
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 3: Big ten teams. Who are you know at that level?

1936
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 3: It's Ohio State, Rutgers, I believe, Penn State, Uh, Indiana's

1937
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 3: really good. Those those are probably the top four in

1938
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 3: the Big ten. Who are We're all on the same level?

1939
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is uh, just for Will Compton's sake, where

1940
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 2: is Nebraska their rank in the category?

1941
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 3: I'd say they're they're how many tiers are we talking here?

1942
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 3: Like if if you if you just say five tiers,

1943
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 3: they're probably tier two, tier three. They're not bad, they're

1944
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 3: they're good at protecting. So they got to know at

1945
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 3: least something.

1946
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Yeah, that's good. Yeah, and you're around that

1947
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: tier tier two, tier three.

1948
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, in your time obviously we I we've already figured

1949
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 2: out that you know who hot of States Connor Stallions is.

1950
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 2: Did you ever trade information with them?

1951
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 3: Again, the only time was not directly. I gave something

1952
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 3: to give to someone, to give to someone to give

1953
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 3: to him to help him. Did they ever get that

1954
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 3: wins so you have them to help them?

1955
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Did they?

1956
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Did they ever approach Did anybody from Holose state of

1957
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 2: approached you about future teams or anything like that? Or

1958
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: was it kind of like we just don't talk to

1959
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 2: each other?

1960
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 3: No?

1961
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 2: Zero percent? Yeah, and Ohio State had the OG signals

1962
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 2: from somebody.

1963
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they they definitely were utilizing Stolen's signals

1964
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 3: well before we were. Definitely. So you're a where that

1965
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 3: goes back to the twenty eighteen twenty nine.

1966
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 1: You're aware of Dave Portnoy and his champagne bottles?

1967
01:44:59,000 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 3: What about him?

1968
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Are you aware of them?

1969
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 2: So Dave has all of his biggest enemies in the world,

1970
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 2: he has champagne bottles, and when then they fall, he

1971
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: opens that champagne bottle and he drinks it.

1972
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 1: Who would be your number one champagne bottle.

1973
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 2: Team, life, person, anybody.

1974
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 3: It's gotta be ryandah, you know, yeah, it's your champagne.

1975
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 2: But that's your champagne bottle.

1976
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. You're so bagrady to pop

1977
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 1: one open. You're just waiting for the dominoes to fall.

1978
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 2: We were in Columbus for a spring tour last year,

1979
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: right it would be Ryan Day.

1980
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1981
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 2: Who would be your next champagne bottle?

1982
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've Ohio states, like that's your is moral

1983
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 1: and only number one? Yeah, who'd be your second champagne bottle?

1984
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Person or team or let's say person, let's do person.

1985
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 3: That's gotta be up there, that would make things easier.

1986
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a Michigan state and that's not

1987
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 3: a person. But I got nothing against uh Jonathan Smith.

1988
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:14,560
Speaker 3: He's their new head coach. Yeah, I mean it was

1989
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 3: Mel Tucker before that was Mark D'Antonio.

1990
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 2: Antonio was a dog.

1991
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: He did a great job.

1992
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 3: I respect him.

1993
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan. I will tell you this,

1994
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 2: I hate Michigan State more little House state.

1995
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm right there with you. When you grow up in

1996
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 3: the state of Michigan, you're surrounded by spartan buck guys.

1997
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 3: So like nationally the game, right, obviously that's the game,

1998
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 3: and you prepare for that game all year, no doubt.

1999
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 3: But like when it comes down to like this is

2000
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 3: personal Michigan state for.

2001
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 2: The state title. Yeah, all right, Tier talk, so tear

2002
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 2: talk is I'll explain it to you. So we go

2003
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: through our top three talk. Okay, you've seen it. So

2004
01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna start with your tier three, then go to

2005
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: your here two than your tier one. Our tier talk

2006
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 2: today is best spies, not best spies or best spice,

2007
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 2: best spies. So I'm ready to go.

2008
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: Do we have a god teer? Do you want to

2009
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: say on three? One, two three?

2010
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Connor Stallions will be our god teer. So Connor

2011
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 2: is our god tier spy. I'm ready to mm hmm

2012
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 2: character yeah, yeah, So I'll go first. My Tier three

2013
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 2: is going to be Sterling Archer from the show Archer.

2014
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,560
Speaker 2: I think he's an alcoholic, but he always finds a

2015
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 2: way to get the job done. I think that show

2016
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: is incredibly well done. I I I just I love

2017
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 2: the show. He is a fantastic spy. My Tier two

2018
01:47:52,680 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 2: is going to be Jason Bourne. Jay there's been a

2019
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 2: argument on this bus for a long time. Who is

2020
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 2: it who would win to fight Jason Bourne or John Wick?

2021
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 2: My after what rewatching the Jason Bournes, It's clear as day.

2022
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 2: This guy just stays one step ahead of everybody. Now

2023
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 2: would be very interesting to see based on how technology

2024
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 2: is advanced as his movies came out, they're no longer

2025
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 2: doing flip phones, if you would be able to keep

2026
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 2: the pace. But he's my tier two and my tier one.

2027
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 2: Who would have been my god tier given that everybody

2028
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 2: else felt the same way as going to be James Bond.

2029
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 2: I think James Bond is the OG. I love the

2030
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 2: fact that every ten years or so they just recycle

2031
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 2: the storylines, new new James Bond.

2032
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: Everything.

2033
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 2: It is just it's all fucking time. It's all time.

2034
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 2: So that is my tier. Talk boys in the back

2035
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 2: buss you.

2036
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 4: Sneaky, all hyphenated, Get some rest, Pam, you look tired.

2037
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 5: Decent, fuck you Jack, technical, military, solid, k.

2038
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 2: You need one one more.

2039
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 3: I'm also trying to think of my three at the

2040
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 3: same time. Elite.

2041
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well yeah we we got there.

2042
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean because I mean two two of my three

2043
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 3: are on there.

2044
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: There you go.

2045
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 2: I see Sterling archer that.

2046
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Show. Mmm.

2047
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 3: Mi.

2048
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Tier three is going to be Kim Possible, globally fighting

2049
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: crime do what seems like she's got a great personality.

2050
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: My tier two is going to be Harry Hart the Kingsman,

2051
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: special agent mentor to Gary Eggsy Unwin, and my tier

2052
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: one Sneaky. It's going to be the scout piece. In

2053
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: the board game Stratigo. You're able to manipulate this piece

2054
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 1: around and when it gets exposed, it's ultimately like you're

2055
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to smoke out other pieces on the board.

2056
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,560
Speaker 1: And I love Stratigo growing up, one on one just

2057
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 1: a chess match where you're trying to protect your flag

2058
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of like capture the flag. You can place bombs

2059
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: around it and there then there are ranks from like

2060
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 1: one all the way to maybe ten, maybe eight. But

2061
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 1: then there's a scout piece I can kind of move around,

2062
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 1: maneuver around that you want to smoke out, and uh,

2063
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the scout piece.

2064
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 2: Hyphenated front runner front runner.

2065
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 5: Almost dun dun dunnan, hyphenated first half, t.

2066
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Hyph NATed lost me nerd whatever, bitches, bitches.

2067
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 3: Interesting, thank you, Yeah, you're up. I'm gonna go. Number three,

2068
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:39,560
Speaker 3: Spy Kids, Okay, I was checking them out. Yeah, you know,

2069
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 3: it's one of the it's gotta be the first spy

2070
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 3: movie I've ever watched. Number two, I gotta go with

2071
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 3: James Bond and number one Born Like Born, You like

2072
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 3: Born over Wick.

2073
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's all I need to hear. Gay m hm

2074
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Inspector gadget. It's a good one. It's a

2075
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 2: good one.

2076
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot out there, though, there is well, the

2077
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 3: best ones you can't talk about, correct, Yeah, they museum, No.

2078
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 1: We did.

2079
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 3: I have been in the spy Museum. Well played, and

2080
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 3: thanks for coming.

2081
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: My one word.

2082
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 4: Manifesto detailed, pro calculative, classic.

2083
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 6: Classics hyphenated all business.

2084
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: Boy, this give a D plus.

2085
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Really contacted you Friday. You're here on Monday. I really

2086
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming in the insight everything it has been

2087
01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 2: literally swept the nation, all the things that happened to

2088
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 2: come out of that manifesto of yours. We appreciate you

2089
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 2: taking the time to sit down with us.

2090
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, and this is your first like long form

2091
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: interview since all of it, right, besides the document.

2092
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 3: Documentary, besides my nine hour master interview for the documentary.

2093
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, thank you. This was I enjoyed every

2094
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: minute I would have I would have enjoyed being in

2095
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: the trenches with you and playing for you. I would

2096
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 1: have loved every fucking minute of it. Well yes, their coach,

2097
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah I need But also I know you want to

2098
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 1: give me the ball.

2099
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 3: Well maybe we can pull the guard and hand it

2100
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 3: off to him, no doubt. Southeastern watch out, South Eastern

2101
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 3: watch out.

2102
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 2: All right, boys, Big hugs, Tandy Kisses. Please subscribe to

2103
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:39,839
Speaker 2: rate five stars and thank you so much for everything.

2104
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon.

2105
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: Hey, that was incredible.

2106
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Awesome.

2107
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: That was incredible.