WEBVTT - Royce Da 5'9" & Courtney Bell Interview 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.520 Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:08.720 Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:10.760 are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guests joining 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.640 us today. Indeed, you got Royce to five nine. Welcome back. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.239 Brother's up? What's up? What's up? Roy It's my brother 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.279 Courtney Bell all right, Corney Belle, a long time friend 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.520 and partner Keno Keno who are talked to times. Keo 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.920 Keno and Royce looking very slim and vegan. Man, what's up? 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.199 Nice healthy looking lifestyle on y'all, brothers. I can see ye, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.360 definitely a healthy lifestyle. Not quite vegan yet. Though not 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.600 quite vegan yet. I'm not all the way converted, but 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.360 I'm getting there. I'm getting what you've been up to. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.599 Royce's everything. I've been adjusting, man, adjusting to the pandemic, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.040 you know what I mean. Like it's tough. It's a 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.639 tough time, you know what I mean. So I've been 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:54.279 trying to keep myself mentally, mentally stable. I'm learning about myself. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.760 I'm learning. Uh. The biggest lesson I learned about myself 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:00.680 is I don't need to be speaking all the time. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.560 I don't always I don't always need to be saying stuff, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.440 you know what I'm saying like that, I'm trying to 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.720 get my filter together. I'm trying to learn how to 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.240 protect my energy, especially on like Instagram, my timeline, What 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.200 to look at? What should I just not look at? Correct? 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.720 You know what I mean. So that's the biggest adjustment 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.360 that I've been making. And then music, you know, I'm 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.760 always making music, so you know, so right now we 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.319 got a project card to having experience where I actually 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.560 I took over ownership of a lot of my masters 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.080 from back dating back, you know, which is I feel 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.360 it's super important now, you know, I feel like the 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.840 artists are artists should look at every song like a 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.240 straight up asset. You know, we got all of these 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.720 companies that for the most part, don't even need to 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.400 even know about music anymore. They're just looking at it 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.720 like an investment, which it is, you know what I mean. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.120 So now it's the best time to make sure that 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:58.600 you've got ownership and make sure that you can figure 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.440 out new things to be able to do with the 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.960 masters when you get them. That's a lot of people say, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.400 you know, people want their masters, they want their ownership 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:06.640 but don't know what to do it. They don't know 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.680 what to do it when they get them, you know 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.160 what I mean. So what's the purpose of having them 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.760 and you don't know what to do it? You don't 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.320 know how to monetize them. Well, think about this, Remember 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.000 when they used to just be physical, just physical copies. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.440 You know, you sell it, it sales in the store 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.440 at one time, and I sit now when you upload 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.400 it to the streaming platforms, it may not pay out 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.920 in one big ass lump like it may have before, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.799 but it's exists now because it's just present, you know 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.040 what I'm saying. So think about it. A lot of 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.680 these companies they're buying up all of these masters, they 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.400 signing up all these artists, even at the lowest level. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.320 But then you know, it's all catalog and it all 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.959 adds up, you know what I mean. So I think 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.160 it's key to just make sure that you have as 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.800 many things on platforms as possible, and then you know, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.640 other conversations can be opened up. So that's why this 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.160 is happening, right, Because I'm looking at you like, you 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.639 got fifteen songs, ten of them our best of us basically, right, Yeah, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.840 So this is why this trend of artists dropping projects 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.519 with catalog, that's why this had become more popular. This 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.480 because people getting the mass back. I'm not sure. I 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.000 can't speak for anybody else. I know with me, with me, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.680 as soon as I got them, the first thing I 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.200 wanted to do because we had to take them down, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.400 get them, and then now we need to put them 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.640 back up. They're there, you know what I'm saying. And 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.560 then from there, you know, we can have Sky's a 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.360 limit on what the conversation could be. It was the 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.160 process of getting it back, was it? You know, some 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.400 people have to wait a certain amount of time, some 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.040 people had to pay people. Was just a conversation. So 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.720 what was the process with you getting your masters back? 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.040 All of the abovesa. But you know when you when 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.720 you have when you signed. You know, from our era 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.080 when we did deals, it was standard for the for 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.640 the labels to have control of the master for like 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.040 seven years or something like that, you know what I mean. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.320 So some of it was just waiting out the seven years, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.320 going back and getting them. And then it's a process too. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.600 After that said, you know, you got to go through 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.640 a whole process after that, and then some of it 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.320 will say hold at me, buy that back, and then 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.400 some of it. You know, it was all three, you 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.080 know what I mean. So I'm constantly on that grind 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.320 like I want everything, I want everything that I've ever done, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.800 you know. And then moving forward. Obviously Keeno and I 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.400 are way more in the no now. So moving forward, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.240 there's no deal that we don't know how to do. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:20.800 Do you talk to a lot of the Detroit artis 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.960 because it's Detroit, is a new wave of artists coming down. Um, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.200 do you get a chance to speak with the younger 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.800 artists and say, hey, this is how you should be 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.360 signing your deals? Or is it one of those things 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.280 when you're like that we knew what we're doing. Anyway, No, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.920 I speak to him as much as I can. This 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.760 is one of them. Let's dud. It's like enlightened beyond 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.440 his years. He's not he's non problematic. But um, there's 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.600 a few artists, a few young artists in my studio 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.719 that I kind of mentor not to the degree of him, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.360 but um, there's a lot of companies I call them 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.080 like middleman middleman guys, you know what I mean, Like 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.400 they come with a bag of money. Um, they don't 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.480 have much to offer, but since they have money upfront, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.560 and they're catching these guys at a time where they 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.360 kind of need money or they feel like that they 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.800 need money. Um, it's already in the contract. I actually 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.360 read somebody's proposal and it said, um, we will have 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.719 ownership of a master in perpetuity, and then we'll split 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.200 everything sixty forty sixty US forty you and give you 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.680 a five thousand dollars advance. And he was thinking about 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.799 signing that for five thousand dollars guy, because yeah, because 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:34.120 we don't number one. We programmed to think shortsided correct, definitely, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.279 we have no kind of like idea of how to 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.920 place value on that master, so early on we don't 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.040 know what it's gonna be worth until it comes out 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.320 and then it goes and then it's like, damn, Okay, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.400 now I know a little bit more. Now I want 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.440 to go get the master back. Now it's the same 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.360 old song and dance publicly from a public platform, you 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.560 bashing some company or something like that, which that shit 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.120 don't look good either, you know what I mean? But 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.600 you get it. I get it. You understand you signed 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.479 that deal for five thousand, right, and this is what. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:09.520 This is what most people. It was something that somebody 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.800 think though you make one hit, the label puts out 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.840 that run hit. Now you're making Remember, artists don't make 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.760 five thousand and ten thousand dollars to show if they 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.840 got a hit. They're making forty fifty sixty thousand US 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:24.960 show very rare, a lot of very thin. I think 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.080 it's I think it's probably left. In conversation on the 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:31.360 way here, I'm I'm we were looking at the jar 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:37.080 and her interview. We was talking about RV's position, and 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.720 I honestly see RV's position on it. I see labels position. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.240 That's probably why we we balanced what we do. If 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.680 I'm a label, or if I'm a person and I 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.839 give you five grand and it goes nowhere, you don't 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.240 know me that five grand back, Yeah right, you know. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.920 But when it goes somewhere, it's an investment. You invest 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.960 an Apple, Apple don't get the I'm you and say well, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.640 we're gonna take our stocks back because we're making too much. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.600 It's a deal. The problem is we don't always understand 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.560 the complexity other deals because we don't come from homes 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.600 where that type of business is discussed you can't be mad. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.920 You have to have an attorney. So that means your 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.560 attorney looks over that paperwork in most cases. Yeah, but 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.600 your attorney is the attorney. That's right. We got I 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.880 give you an attorneys just to attorney. You can't have 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.040 an attorney. But you know how that conversation came up 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:33.280 in the car. I said, do you think it's possible 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.040 for me, a black man, to cultivate a real meaningful 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.920 relationship with an artist and on his masters And I 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.880 said yeah, he said, for a period, for any period 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.559 of time, I think, so there is there any point 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.560 where that artist it's gonna get a little bit wiser, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.920 a little bit bigger, and then look look at it 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.800 in retrospects, if possible for him or her not to 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.080 harbor Yeah, I agree with you negotiate though, like when 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.120 that artist catches that hit. It has to be a 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.800 point where it said, okay, I made my money back 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.520 after investment. Because it's not just five thousand dollars. You 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.600 gotta pay for travel. You gotta pay for Warter. That's 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.760 the bigger traveling you're paying for. What would your renegotiation be? 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.080 It depends how big the record is like a perfect example, right, sorry, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.960 Cardi B. When Cardi B was first signed, they put 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.360 a lot into Cardi B. But then she took off. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.240 That should have been to renegotiate right then, and there 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.760 you got the one of the biggest female artists. Give 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.679 it half the company she Cardi B. That's my opinion 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.200 and for everybody. But let me once I recoup my money, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.400 me and her should be equal partners fifty. But then 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.360 what happens when you got five Cardi bs on your label? Exactly? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.840 And that's what I was gonna say to about the 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.439 masters conversation. It's about the investment you put in them. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:52.880 You know what I mean. I don't want none of 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.920 your masters if I didn't make a large investment. But 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.079 if I made a large investment, and I can see why, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.200 I gotta get it back, or we could we could 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.439 do I think what we all should be doing, which is, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.120 as the older generation, we need to get through to 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.080 the youth and let them see it's a different way 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.560 to do it, right, because that's this is probably the 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:16.400 biggest disparity between uh, the youth and the ogs that 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.520 we've seen, right, We've all come in, we've all had mentors, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.440 that we've seen and and respected and learned a lot from. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.200 This is the first time where the youth is looking 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.559 at us like there's there's a disconnect. And we think 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.720 the disconnect is because as long as you could separate 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.280 the youth from the experience, then it's easier to get 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.559 them in these these quick deals and and and take 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.520 them for a ride. And we're gonna be held to 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.040 a different standard than the labels would be. I mean 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.360 like that, Yeah, you here the way niggas talk about 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.600 whole buff you know what I'm saying, Like I don't 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.000 nobody talk about le or don't nobody talking about none 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.920 of these labels, correct, But listen, let whole do something. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.880 That should do something, Let any of any of us 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.440 do something. And it's just like, oh man, you wrong, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.240 how could you do that? You know what I mean. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.840 But when you're invest in somebody, like let's say him, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.560 you're investing them. You're paying for everything, right because he's 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.560 getting the start. So you're paying for studio time. Right 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.679 if people don't think studio time is expensive, but you're 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.520 paying for studio time, You're paying for them lights to 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.640 be on, you're paying for the engineer, you're paying for 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.920 the food, the per diem, the water, traveling hotels, wardrobe. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.160 If they don't have it, now he has to make 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.080 a record. If that record don't pop, you don't get 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.440 none of that money back. And you're doing it on 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.960 some family shit. You know, we're gonna spoil each other, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.840 you know what I mean, And that creates a sense 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.120 of entitlement, you know what I'm saying. So it's just 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.000 that's why, that's why I acts in the context of 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.359 building cultivating the relationship, because you know, we do everything 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.560 on some family shit, you know what I'm so it's 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.640 difficult to be able to do that kind of business 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.440 and cultivate a relationship. That's why I feel like labels 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.839 have existed with the evolution of technology the way they 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.880 have so long. It's because they can just keep it 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.880 strictly business. Is that? The other problem too, though, that 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.520 the black exact, dude do the family thing. We're a family, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.240 We we rocked for life, we bad boy for life. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.000 Isn't that Should it just be more business? That's what 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.280 it always feels like, even when like you look at 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.320 me sign in the raws or Drake and and you know, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.880 Nikki sign in the Wayne it's a family. It's a 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.200 family when we win, Yeah, but then when you start 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.640 throwing them bricks out, then it's f that person that 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.440 you just called your family. You know, yeah, yeah, I know, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.840 I know. I don't know. I don't have to say 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:30.960 that because we want when we come from now like 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.880 we and our and our culture, we come from broken family. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.800 So the ability to make money with our family. It 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.000 ain't just music. I mean, it could be the dope 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.760 game too, right, it ain't too many differences from the 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.760 way we approached the dope game and music. But at 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.240 the end of the day, it's it's it's it still 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.720 starts with leadership. Bro. I went out there. I went 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.880 out there when when Puff was working on the press 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.160 Play album, I went out there to work for him, 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.920 and this nigga had me in like a midi room 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.560 just writing versus over and over and over again while 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.480 he was in the bigger, luxurious a room with all 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.280 of his celebrity friends and shit. And I was just like, man, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.480 this nicka ain't paid me, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:12.679 Like this nigga grind me. Man. About ten years later, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.760 after I was a little wiser, I looked at him 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.000 in retrospect. Man, I had to hit him on the DM. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.319 I didn't have his numb. I had to hear him 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.840 on the DM, man and tell him how much I 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.760 appreciate him, how much I took from that, Like it 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.120 was because of that process that I started to rewrite 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.040 in my own creative process. Like I was like, I 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.800 didn't even rewrite my own shit this much. Why don't 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.960 I approach my ship? But this same kind of intensity 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.520 I pulled that from it. And just the opportunity, you 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.280 know what I mean, Like sometimes man, we take for 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.079 granted the opportunity. And I looked at him and thought 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.880 about how many great things he's contributed to the culture, 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.839 and how how much all of the bad stuff or 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.600 the quote unquote bad stuff is always placed in front 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.360 of the same with Baby. I wish I could call 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.880 Baby and tell him how great I think he is, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.720 you know what I mean? Because it's like every time 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.880 you hear about these guys as well, they're on drugs, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.880 they're doing this, nig kissing, this nigga in the nigga 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.920 doing this. But it's like, bro, these nigga's been existence 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:15.760 since nineteen ninety seven. Nineteen ninety seven has not stopped. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.920 If that was anybody else from any other culture of people, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.959 them niggas would be they would be statute, verse, nor appreciate. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.800 Even Dame I was. I seen Dame this weekend and 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.720 I was on a panel with him, and the middle 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.679 of panel, I had to say thank you and he 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.760 was like for what I was like back then when 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.800 I was doing mixtapes, even though it was like ninety nine, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.440 I was like, you had an opportunity to do the 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.160 Rockefeller mixtapes with Clue with S and S with Flex, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.360 but you said you wanted a young DJ at the time. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.319 You picked me, and I was like, thank you because 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:49.760 you were cheap. You know. He was shot that I 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.160 said thank you, But I was like, you know what, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.440 when you grow a little bit, you really understand how 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.680 much of a how grateful it was to have that 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.200 opportunity because you don't have those opportunities. Yeah, but I 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.160 will say though ten years ago, you wasn't know new 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.000 nigga Royce. No, no, no, no, I say in the 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.240 room that you ain't no new ye I was saying 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.560 ten years later from when that was, remember the press playout. Yeah, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.079 but even with that rush, the five not should have 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.240 been treating with a little bit more respect, I think. No, no, no, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:18.720 I was on a private jet with him. We went 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.720 to talk. Okay, just when we was up at daddy side. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.920 You remember how long ago, you know what I mean? 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.640 I was, I was he definitely when he reached out 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.280 to me, my man Slam shout out to my man 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.680 Slam Wiz packs and ship. But he slam reached out 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.720 to me. And I was definitely just sitting around Detroit 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.960 at that time when he reached out, for sure, and 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.560 I was gonna ask, you know, with everything you've been 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.720 doing this industry, the ups downs, the group's solo projects, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.640 what makes you want to jump back into this on 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.120 the on the executive side. I don't want to jump 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.040 in on the executive side like that. I don't right now. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:59.080 I'm more focused on um mentorship, artist development because I'm 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.480 an artist at heart, you know what I mean. And 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.920 m Roy's hate the business side. No no, no no, no, no 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.400 no no, see because he on it and he's on 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.600 the he's on the executive side. He just don't want it. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.200 He don't want to sitting sitting in an interview with 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.040 your artists. Been calling me, he's kind of e been 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.040 calling me a suit for twenty five years. Man, he 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.160 don't want admit it. Listen, I love I love doing business. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:28.720 I don't want to send the wrong I don't want 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.440 to send the wrong sitting. I love doing business. I 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.760 don't look forward to doing certain kinds of business with 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.720 people who I have a relationship with. It's very difficult. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.240 I'm gonna cancer. It's very newtiful for me to separate 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.480 business and personal. You know what I mean, somebody I 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.080 care about, it's gonna be hard for me to like 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.080 this nigga be like, yeah, okay, so this we're gonna do. We' 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.560 gonna get him something standard. Baby can't do that, you 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.240 know what I mean, don't. That's what we defer, you 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.400 know what I'm saying, because he's more he's more of 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.760 the business side. He's always been more focused on the 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.280 business side, because that's all he's ever been. He's never 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.760 been on the creative side. But you gotta go through 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.560 it again. You're gonna have to go through talking to producers, Yeah, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.040 talking through artists, talking to DJ's. You're gonna have to 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.200 go through the gamut again that people that you think 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.440 his family. Until you got a new project in the 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.040 life I don't know or you want to beat. And 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.200 it's like for you, Royce, I do it for free. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.680 But for him, you know you're gonna have to go 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.200 through that again. Man, Even when I'm doing albums, there's 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.320 never been a time where I enjoyed calling people for features. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.360 I hate that part. He's the worst. That's why. That's 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.160 why I stopped doing especially especially Yeah, you make sure 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.400 you did album. Yes, And that's why I stopped. That's 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:44.160 why CALLI lapped all of y'all. But he's greater that 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.760 he doesn't He doesn't mind, he doesn't mind being persistent. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.880 I'm from a place where if I ask you once 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.800 and you say yes, I shouldn't have to ask you 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.080 that that's ego, though it is, that's ego. Your ego 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.320 get wounded one time. Now you just want to fall back, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.240 like no, if you want something, go get it relentless. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.160 I tell people, I tell these kids, you have to 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.440 have a DJ Khalid level of annoyance. The megan in 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.480 this business. I don't even know if I don't even 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.879 know if I would categorize that shit is annoying. You know, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.320 it's relentless. It's like I admire I wish I had that, 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.240 you know what I mean? But I can't. I can't 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.360 do it because I get inside my own heir real quick, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:17.719 you know what I'm saying, like this nigga, No, he's 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:23.000 just nigga. No I'm calling him, but you name this 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.000 to having experienced. I wanted to correct me from wrong. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.600 He didn't. Haven't want to name your children. No, Having 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.520 is the name of my studio, your studio, name of 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.720 my label? Got you? Yea having studios? So okay, it's 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.680 like a hub, man, It's like I built like a hub. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.000 Why you never came to the studio, man, huh, We're 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.440 coming back out there. I was just in Detroit drop 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.000 dropping off packs. I'm gonna come about it, okay, Okay, Yeah, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.720 So it's it's like a it's like a hub that's 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.760 kind of like where me and him got kind of 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.480 tight at you know, I've been new I'm always been 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.000 a fan of him. But it's a it's a hub 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.880 for artists to come developed. And when I say developed, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.960 I don't mean just come and just make a bunch 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.760 of music, you know, like obviously the doors are open 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.879 for them to come and do that as well, but 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.919 just to come half conversation man about life shit. You know, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.240 allow me to bestow some of my wisdom on your 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.000 young process, because every single mistake you can think of 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.360 that you're gonna make, I made them Tim's ten. That's 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.240 where I learned all my greatest lessons, you know what 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.480 I mean? And I feel like it's a part of it. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:30.320 It's a part of success and evolution to apply that 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.760 back to the environment, apply that back to the generation 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.400 coming behind you. Otherwise you can't consider what you're doing 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.480 success part of it. What made you decide to work 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.280 with with Royce? Same thing I've always been a fan 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.000 of I'm a lyrics is, you know, I feel like 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.000 coming from Detroit, that's what we bred on. I'm a 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.040 fan of them. I'm a fan of Sean and even 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.000 outside of the culture, the big Ales, the rock cams, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.359 like I studied that growing up, so like I studied 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.200 his cadences when I first picked up my pen and 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.800 I respect him as a man first outside of business, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.760 we have a real relationship with each other, Like we 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.720 really kick it on an intimate level. So you know, 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.679 it was divine that it happened more than anything. How 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.560 do you feel about Detroit's rap game. Now, I feel 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.320 like Detroite is like run record away from really being 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:21.480 the next city that takes the next Are you crazy? Next? 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.600 Memphisis I would say this Detroit street all day long, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.959 but memphisis street and radio when it comes to it. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:32.040 We're getting it away from that going because there's so 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.159 many Detroite artists. That's we're missing the mentors though. We 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.879 are missing the executive side because most of the people 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.320 became executives. You know, Paul Rosenberg, he's here, I came 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.240 here or you went to La right, So, but who 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.159 Memphis got on the executives? Guy he's signed on the 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.720 artist he signed, whether it's black, whether it's money back Yo, 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.600 whether it is he's signed an artist. Like, that's the 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.640 one thing I don't see in Detroit, an artists in tit. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.840 I think Memphis had that. Detroit might just be getting 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.639 the dependence of it all because that goes back to 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.439 three to six. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.719 and being your own label, having your own studios, put 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.399 the artists you want to push. You didn't have. We 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.960 didn't have a lot of people coming back home. You 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.399 know what I'm saying? When when when when Mario wine 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.320 is left. You know, Mario kind of left. You know 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.800 when I left, I left like a lot of dudes 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.520 from Memphis three six Carlos, six, tol Brody who who 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.159 did a lot of puff like they went home, so 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.359 they was able to get what we're talking about, right, 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.159 But they were able to get I say as an 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.840 executive side. But you know, Royce says Mentor, and we 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.560 was just saying, I use the word um artist development 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.640 when we talk about artists because I think it's gone 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.640 beyond telling somebody how to write a song, Like artist 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.080 development for me has been like how do you how 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.200 do you get a hit record and come on here 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.760 and not go home and die? How do you say 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.160 to how do you learn how to have to write conversations? 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.240 How do you get a million dollars and not go 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.320 by rims or have everybody else your lawyer account? Everybody 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.119 take their money, but there's no understanding of how wealth 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.159 is created. So for us, arts development is and I 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.160 think what roy says mentor, it's about really just giving 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.080 them the tools and the resources and the strategies. Because 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.639 the hit record can come and go. One hit record 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.880 can set you up for life, or you had ten 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.359 albums and just teaching them the importance of solidarity. I mean, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.000 that's what we're always missing Detroit. Obviously it's a little 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.880 better now than it's been, but this is by far, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.760 by far, the best place Detroit has been in cultural 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.280 you know what I'm saying, Like, we got so many 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.639 artists popping right now, but we are missing with like 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.879 what you said, we don't have that executive like Gotti 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.840 come in and signing up everybody, which would help to 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.080 kind of bring us all a little bit closer. You know, 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.720 everybody's kind of like just all over the coach. Can't 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:49.760 trying to sign every Detroit not the only ones Gazi 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.320 trying to sign. Everybody's looking at Detroit right now. Last 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.880 week I went through. I drove to Detroit. I think 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.560 like seven eight artists. I went to the each each 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.919 one of their hoods is to see how different it is. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.400 But just the fact that they get so much love 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.320 in each one of their hoods and all that music 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.480 is playing was like, damn, they just I just want 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.600 to see it go, like go go, and that's like 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:11.720 a Landa was like I think we're there though, yeah, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.359 I think, And that's what I was about to say, 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.000 like just to answer your question, like before the industry 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:17.679 came to the city, because I'm a part of that generation, 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.480 the baby Faced Rais and all of them. We are 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.880 our own celebrity in our neighborhoods and in the city. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.600 So outside of the culture, like we're we'll get a million, 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.280 two million views alone just in Detroit before it catches 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.040 and sparks outside of our culture. So like, I feel 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.000 like that's the biggest thing with us, and you know, 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.239 chiming in on what y'all said, it is pivotal that 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.200 we have that connection between the ogs and my generation 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.600 because now being in the age of social media, we're 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.760 in a space to where it's like with us having 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.280 that disconnect. Oh, I don't need you because now I 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.639 have money like you have money. I have the resources 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:50.520 like you have it, but we don't have the wisdom 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.680 and the innerstanding of the business side. And they hustlers, 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.880 Yeah for sure, they hustlers too, So they their concern 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.560 is we coming and get the money. They don't necessarily 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.879 give about hit records, you know what I'm saying. So 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.959 I think that's that's why you don't see, you know, 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.480 songs even structured like they're even trying to be on 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:15.800 like radio like first day Out. Yeah, just incredible, incredible. 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.239 It was like I'll see where they're coming from, like 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:25.720 that vessel and code that records. I wonder if because 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.560 I think about like Shady Aftermath, right, like, was was 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.800 that the right machine? But at the time, it just 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.680 wasn't a plethora of artists like it is now. Because 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.960 m did what he could right like he had de twelve, 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.320 he had obe him did an amazing job. Put the 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.480 light on trick. Yeah, even when he was even when 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.439 he wasn't trying, you know what i mean, Like just 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.760 what he did opened up so many doors. Back then, 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.760 it was Detroit was broken down like this. You had 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.200 the street rapper side, which was the street niggas who 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:59.120 rapped kind of like what you see now, and then 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.119 you had hip hop nigga side that was us, the 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.880 backpackers quote unquote from the hip hop shop. So myself 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:10.360 proof everybody on our side got a deal. Every single 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.440 person from that era on the hip hop side gotta deal. 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.359 It was just our time, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:21.199 And I'm gonna take it even further, like the Street Lords, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.440 cheddar Boys, rock Bottom, all of these crews that were 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.119 making the street records back then, who were kind of 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:32.359 in competition with us. They were making straight up club classic, 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:37.680 street classic records that still play today. That they were 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:39.520 the kind of records that y'all are talking about that 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.800 the youngest now are missing. The youngest now are kind 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.720 of like a derivative of these guys. Street Lord wand 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:51.480 Blade Guy arrested Soul and it just wasn't the game 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.840 hadn't caught up to what they were doing yet. Now 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.280 the game has caught up to that. And the doors 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.800 wide open for the vessels the side of the the babies, 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.600 and they pick that ship through and they came stumping. 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.479 But I wish I wish one of them would make 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:06.840 no no no no no no no no. I wish 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.800 one of them make one of them because if they 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.119 do that, that's it. It's yeah. Now, I see you 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:13.840 have a lot of people come to Heaven Studio. Chris 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.560 Webber was just there. I think Jake Cole was there once. 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.560 I think I saw you pick your cold. So what's 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.160 going on? Is it records being made? Like? What is it? Yeah, 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.280 it's records being made. Um see. Webb actually came the 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.000 other day he played some beats. But um, we got 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.400 some other stuff that we're doing. Um, can I talk 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.200 about that In the marijuana business, we partnered up and 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:39.800 we're doing some stuff canadaj the derogatory term he just got, 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.760 well you know what it is, canceled. No, no, no no. 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.560 But somebody told me who was in the cannabis business 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.200 that marijuana was. It was a term that white people 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.640 used to use for a weed coming out of Mexico, 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.560 and so it's actually a bad kind of They look 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.840 down the term cannabis. Okay, okay, cool, So I see weed, 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.560 we probably okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say cannabis. 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:11.760 I'm gonna go with my attorney on this. So yeah, 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:13.520 we were partnering it up on some stuff in the 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.120 cannabis business. We're doing some NFT stuff together and we're 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.159 gonna make some music together. And then he has a 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.359 bunch of dope ideas on stuff that we can do. 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.760 And it was just a long time coming. We met, 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:26.800 We met like a while back, but we never really 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.040 got a chance to connect like that. So we spent 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.639 some time with each other and just seeing how like 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.879 minded we were, and um, I'm into that right now, 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.719 you know, just being around like minded people, real niggas, 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.080 you know what I'm saying, building relationships and just figuring 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.920 out ways that we can um use our viability that 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.520 we bring to the table, put it together and figure 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.560 out what we can do and just be real creative 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.520 with what that could be. They got a lot of 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.320 lies it too, though. First in Detroit, that's wild to me. 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.119 They got to legalize it. You meant, well, you know 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:05.639 it's only in Detroit, but it's crazy because you can 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.320 go five minutes out into the white area and it's legal. 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.560 But this little recreational which makes no sense, which makes 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.919 no sense. You know, we don't. We don't give Chris Webbing, 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.760 Jail and Rolls and Jimmy King and Ray Jackson and 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.680 Juwan Howard the credit they deserve, right because I'm not 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.080 even I'm not from Detroit, but I look at those brothers. 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:28.800 They were so unapologetically black at a time when we 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.960 didn't see that type of unapologetic blackness on TV and 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.199 bracing hip hop the way that they did. But as 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.760 a Detroit native, how how how did that impact? Man? 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:38.920 It impacted me in a way that me and see 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.440 Webb set and talked about that very thing you just 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.640 said for five hours. Wow. The niggas they shifted to paradigm. Man, 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:51.600 they changed the way that players wanted to dress like Yo. 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.800 They first ones with the long baggy shorts, the big 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.960 baggy jerseys, with the shirt T shirt under it, with 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.879 the sleeves cut off. It was their idea to go 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.720 with the haaraces that did not match the uniform. It 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.280 was their idea for everybody to cut their hair ball. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.639 They Wow, and they were freshmen, all of them freshmen, 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.520 all of them freshmen starting running shit. You know what 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.680 I'm saying. It's just they paved the way for the 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.080 AI paved it, and I you know, we need more 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.840 of that, man, We need more people m for lack 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.720 of a better phrase, obviously, but to kind of like 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.639 give the system a little bit of pushback, you know 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.400 what I mean? Like it's just necessary, man, It's not necessary. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.520 I gotta ask slaw the house of y'all back on 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.080 good terms. I don't know what month this was, what 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.880 week it was. I happened to term Instagram and I've 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.680 seen y'all arguing on Instagram. You would you would you 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.120 were the middle man, you would have one trying to 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:44.720 calm things down, and they were going back and forth 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:45.760 and I just turned to I was like, I can't 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.400 see these bubbs argument anymore. So you're back good. I 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.320 mean we never we never. I mean I could never 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.240 say we're bad, you know what I mean? Like they listen, man, 0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.840 we've been We've spent ten years together. Man, damn there 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.800 every day building something special, you know what I mean. 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.920 And it just it just ended in a very unfortunate way. 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.680 But I can't just sum it up like that. Man, 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.400 I can't. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry. Man, it's 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:18.120 my doorbell of the studio. I'm sorry. Probably just George 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:22.640 Dash So so I can't just sum it up like, nah, 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.960 we ain't good, you know what I mean. Now we 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.560 haven't spoken. You know, two of the guys, Crooking and Joel, 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.360 made some made some decisions that you know, we can't 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:35.200 really come back from in terms of business, and that's 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.320 really it. Decision was they decided to do their own 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.120 group or do their own thing together. Nah they Um, 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.560 I'm give you the short version. But me and Joe 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.560 is sitting around minding our own business and we look 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.240 up and they they release they start rolling out a project. 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.080 The project was called The Rise and Fall of Slaughterhouse. 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.400 They put this project out in the project is announcing 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.240 to the world that the group is old. And this 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.240 is why we had already went through a long negotiation 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.960 with Shady to pull the group off the label so 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.920 we can do things moving forward, so we can make 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.520 another album, so we can relaunch merchandise, so we can 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:21.400 relaunch everything slaughter House. And for whatever reason, so y'a 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.080 were gonna do another album, even Joe was gonna do 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.000 get in the studio and do another album at that time. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:29.479 Absolutely okay, absolutely, And so the whole album was basically 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:33.840 about how Joe Knock gonna wrap Cricket came to the 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.200 table with a deal idea. We didn't want to do it, 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.440 so day over it. They're done, The group is done. 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.520 And I just felt like that was a hell of 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.160 a thing to blindside me with as a friend and 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.400 as a business partner, because number one, if the group 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.080 is gonna be over, that's fine. Things and things and 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.440 all the time, let me know that. Send me a text, 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.400 shoot me a text letting me know what you're done, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.400 or if you're gonna go public and say that you're 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.040 done with the group, that's cool, but don't just go 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.840 public and just announced that the group is done, you 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.600 know what I mean. Like that's I expected more out 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.720 of Crooked. I didn't have as much of a problem 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.160 with Joel because you know, me and Joel always been 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.800 been cool. But me and Crook, I thought we were 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.080 better than that, you know what I mean. So it 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.440 was more of a it's more of a personal more 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.080 of a personal thing, you know what I mean. But 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.680 I can't. I can't bring myself to a point where 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.600 I can get on a public platform and bashing in 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:27.880 them though, you know what I mean. I got too 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.040 much love for him, and I think the amount of 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.520 love I got for him is what made me so disappointed, 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.000 you know what I mean. So it go back to 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.000 what I was saying earlier, just about you know, airing 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:42.240 out how I feel on public platforms. Bunn told me, 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.160 like when we first, when Slaughterhouse first became a thing, 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.760 he called me. Any time I ever aired out anything 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:52.680 publicly if it involved family, I always regretted it, and 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.800 that always resonated with me, and I've done I've went 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.240 since that conversation, I went and done that probably fifty times, 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.760 and I regretted it every time. So you know, so 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:04.240 that's one of the things that I'm working on. So 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.200 to answer your question, no, no more slaughter House, but 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.880 still nothing beloved always I respect everything, as you said, 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:13.560 And I feel like that should have been an easy 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.920 conversation for crooking in Joel because Joe don't want to rap. 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:18.880 So if you don't want to wrap, there's no slaughter house. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.959 So why shouldn't they be able to go do their 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:25.040 own project. Well, it's easy to paint Joe as that 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:30.040 because of how many things he said publicly, But when 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.320 we having conference, when we're having conference calls and he's 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.240 a part of every call and we having creative conversations 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.000 about what we're gonna do next, you know what I mean? 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.680 He was gonna get back and then do it. Joe 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.800 staying is I'm not I'm retired. I'm doing I'm in 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.520 the content space. But I'm really into ownership right now. 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.440 I will wrap in slaughter House if we own it, 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.160 but we got to own it. It can't be on 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.360 Shady And if we decide to take it to another label, 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.480 I would be particular on how we would do that 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.200 deal because we already built this. This is something we 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.320 built already, and I agree that it shouldn't just sit 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.640 on Shady. It shouldn't just sit on Shady if Shady 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.840 doesn't want to release it. And this is respectfully because 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.160 I love them too. Always, it shouldn't just sit on Shady. 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.480 We built it. It's ours. So when we got it 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.040 off of Shady, man, I was like, that was like fulfilling. 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.600 It was like it was bitter sweet. It was bitter 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.480 sweet because it was like, damn, I had a vision 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.840 for doing this with my good friend, you know what 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:30.800 I mean, But it didn't work out for obvious reasons. 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:35.120 So getting it off of there and still now having 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.920 it back in our possession and having something that we built, 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.120 the first tangible thing that we built in this business organically, 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:46.120 you know, multimillion dollar brand that we built from the ground. 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.160 When everybody told us, y'all been around the block, y'all 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.040 can't man, y'all never be able to do festivals, y'all 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.800 don't have songs, y'all don't have hooks, you know what 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.560 I'm saying. Like, and we kind of like defied all 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.320 of those odds, you know what I'm saying. So to 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:03.000 get to that point with Joe being way more knowledgeable 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.560 obviously myself being way more knowledgeable, and then just having 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.480 it in our possession and for them to just jump 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:12.640 the gun like that because of a deal that he 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.360 put on the table, which he that's never been his 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.520 role in the group. But I mean anything that anybody 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.040 put on the table, I would consider it. But I 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.160 think that we should be allowed to ask questions, right 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.000 like if if if I put something on the table 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.120 for us and you ask questions, or even if you 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.200 say no, does that mean everything is over? Or does 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.399 that mean we go to another label? We hadn't talked 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.680 to any other labels yet. We hadn't even talked to 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:36.960 a label in that situation. We talked to a guy 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.600 who was talking to a label. We never had nothing 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.960 on paper. There never was a proposal in black and 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.319 white for us to look at. It was just a conversation. 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.480 He didn't like how the conversation went, so he decided, 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.600 fuck them, We're gonna go do this. I feel playing 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.200 devil's advocate, right, do you feel like the white devil's advocate? 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.080 We know Joe was doing well with his content, creating 0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:04.520 everything that he's doing you're obviously doing well. Could it 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:08.120 be a situation where maybe Joel and Crooket weren't doing 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.359 as well because the group was so much financial for them. 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.239 I mean, y'all were going on tours, y'all. I don't 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.400 think y'all ever really got the money that y'all deserved. 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.440 Yet you feel like maybe that was their way of saying, look, 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.080 I gotta feed my family at the end of the day. 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:25.359 Possibly possibly, And I mean, listen, that makes it even 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.759 worse because it's like, Bro, if that's what it was, 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.560 we who are you supposed to have been talking to? 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.120 You know what I'm saying, Like, who who wouldn't understand? 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.640 Who would understand that more than your brother? Me, the 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.360 guy who've been up and down, up and down just 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.200 like anybody else in this business. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.839 I understand the ups and down. So if it's if 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.880 this is a downtime and this is like something, because 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.560 there's been plenty of things that I've done that I've 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.200 done because one of my rules in the group was 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.840 I don't like I'm not doing any three man shows. 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.040 In three man all members gotta be there. There's been 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.680 plenty of times Joe couldn't make it where they were like, yo, listen, 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.080 we need you to come do this because we need 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.400 the money. And I did it, you know what I mean? 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:15.840 So what is that was just a bad deal, like 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.760 Roy's gonna be. It was a bad deal. They possessioned 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.520 a bad deal and they use a lot of stuff 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.759 that was happening within the group. Um, it was just 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:28.920 a bad deal, right person. There were times when when 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:33.359 Joe was ready to wrap and we couldn't get crooked 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.880 a rap. They don't talk about that shit, you know 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.799 what I'm saying, Like I couldn't crook rap Crook Cooker 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.839 always ready to wrap. Crook didn't want to know see 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.399 see what I'm saying. See See, people got the wrong 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.960 impression about people. And that's why Joe is easy to 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:50.200 paint as a certain thing. He's easy talking. Yeah, look 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.440 like they look like the blue collar guys, correct, you 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.080 know the guys who you know willing the road, They 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:59.040 sleeves a fuck all that Crook he had his ways 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.000 about him the whole time. He always had some issue 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.920 with Joe that he wouldn't address. It was always in 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.279 the air. I can't quite put my finger on what 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.320 that was. But this nigga that made Joe disrecords, he 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.320 didn't did it. All types of shit, you know what 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.719 I'm saying. People just didn't hear you know what I mean. 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.640 But he did it. He did it, And there was 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.720 a time where he was like, nah, I ain't rapping, 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.600 you know what I mean. Nobody fucking went out and 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.359 put out an album about him not rapping and saying 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.320 that the group is over with. It's just it's messy. 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.920 And then on the business side, it's like, Yo, you're 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.839 not You're not sucking up our ship. You're sucking up 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.440 your ship too, you know what I mean. We're all 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.120 taking the same altogether. And then you know, like during 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:47.080 the whole process, you painted me, You painted me in 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.120 a certain light. You had to paint me in a 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:51.800 certain light in order to be able to do that. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:53.759 And I'm just trying to figure out what what did 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.960 I do to deserve that? Yeah, I mean, there's no 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.240 record silent because I heard I heard people getting invited 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.680 to the Frank stand on those those calls, right, I 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.040 never did. Didn't somebody sayd SMD on one of those calls? 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.680 Oh no, no, Joe, Joe, Joe, one of them. I 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:13.000 was like, Joe, Yeah, Joe said that project, that project 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.600 of SMD. He said that project that probably could suck 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.279 my did Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, well maybe it was 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.000 the project. Oh yeah, maybe that's not that's just yeah 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:20.880 that when I started seeing it on lies, like you 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:22.080 know what, enough, that was just that was just some 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:23.640 Joe shit to say though, you know what I'm saying, 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.400 like it, But it wasn't like Joel know how Joe talked, 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.839 you know what I mean? So that wasn't that wasn't 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.560 really nothing. That was one of them things where you 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.480 can take it. You can take it super super offensive 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.600 and personal if you if you choose to. But Joe 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.640 Joel said a lot of He said a lot of 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.720 weird stuff too, you know what I mean, Like everybody 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.200 played their part. I'm I'm holding myself accountable for the 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:46.840 for the part that I played to you know what 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.799 I mean? But I meant, did you play you think? 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:52.640 I mean, you're making it hard for me because I 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.400 don't do much wrong. Charlotte Man, I just I just 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:01.080 I just um I think um I did that thing 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:03.799 that I was talking about. I went on Joe's show 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.320 and I was I was frustrated in my reaction to 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.000 what they did, caused Crook to react to how I reacted, 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.479 you know what I mean, And then what he said, 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.960 what he said made me block them, It made me 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:19.880 block him on social media and made me block his 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.640 number because I don't. I love them too much and 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:24.680 I don't want nothing else to get said. That's gonna 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.359 that's gonna turn me up, that's gonna put me up there, 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.200 you know what I mean. So, and I don't feel 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:32.399 like there's anything that should go on in the wrap 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.160 space that should even bring you to that, you know 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.880 what I mean. But we all we all gardened something, 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.920 you know what I mean, Like we all gardened. Rather 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.520 it's our egos. We come from environments where the measuring 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.759 stick to cool and some souped up tough guys. Shit, 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.000 you know what I mean. Like everybody's like, watch how 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.520 you talk to me, respect me, But everybody ain't being 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.520 so respectful, you know. So talk to me about the 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.160 Loupe Fiasco thing, because I still don't understand what that 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:01.440 went left. Ye're doing a podcast together the next thing, 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.200 you know, it's disrecords flaming. I really don't know, Like 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.040 I've tried to follow it. But I really don't know 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.080 how that turns into that. And at first I thought 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.520 it was friendly, just on something like I'm super ly 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.920 Loupe super lyrical. Let's you know. It was friendly. It 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.600 was friendly, it was friendly. But the same thing happened. 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.840 There was a conversation on live stream on a on 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.439 a on the platform, public platform for everybody to see, 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:32.960 and Loupe um he made an assumption, he assumed because 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.200 murder much and loaded luks Um. One of those who 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.080 got one of those guys posed the question who would 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.920 win in a battle between me and Louke. Now, now 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.600 Urel had already reached out to us and asked us 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.320 what we battled each other on the platform. We said no, 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:50.799 We talked about it. We agreed that that's not even 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.879 something that we would be interested in. I never even 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:58.000 looked at lou as as like a um uhh, that 0:40:58.160 --> 0:40:59.840 he could be an op up mind, you know what 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:01.759 I mean? Like, I don't feel like that he's that 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.160 he's that kind of rapper. I think he's an amazing rapper, correct, 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.040 But I don't think he's that kind of rapper. I 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:08.880 don't think of guys like him when I think of 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.640 if I thought, damn, if I was to battle somebody, 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.160 who would it be? You know, I would think about 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.400 people like sigh, Hi, you know, people who are more 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.720 aggressive and you know, like attacking MC's kind of style, 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.320 you know, lyric You know, louis more of like a cerebral, 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:28.320 top tier amazing lyricists. So m so we said no. 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.680 So when they when load of Lux and Move posed 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:36.279 that question, they called Lou and start just hyping him up, saying, 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.520 you know, like I think Lux was like, I think 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:40.920 you will win, you know, So whatever they talked about, 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:46.640 Lou assumed that I was the person who initiated that conversation, 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.320 so he thought that I spoke to him and we 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.160 agreed that we wouldn't battle, And then I turned around 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.000 and went and sparked up a conversation trying to bait 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.840 him back into going on that stage to battle me. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.520 And he didn't like that. But the way he did 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:02.880 it with just it just wasn't cool. Or he dodn't 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.919 call you and ask you that's what the fuck I'm saying. 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.400 So he can't. So, so me and Young Guru we 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.360 on live stream and then he's in the comments saying 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.440 bring him in, so I bring him in. I was 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.640 meet him young Guru. I think Muke was on there too, 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.759 and we bring him home. This nigga ain't got no 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:26.279 shirt on, like he walking around with it. Everything to 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.480 do with it. Smoke, you want to smoke because it's 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.480 like my nigga, I came up with a dad who 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.359 used to cust me out not wearing no shirt all 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:40.640 the time. You know. So he like he like I 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.399 seen it immediately. He was turned up already as soon 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.960 as he brought him on. Yeah, nigga, you're gonna keep 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.320 bringing this ship up and making food lot of yourself. 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:53.160 Get yourself embarrassed, nigga. And it was just like I said, Lou, 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:57.359 put your shirt back. Put your shirt back on, I said, 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.080 and calm down now now we're doing a podcast together. 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.960 There were two other times that he kind of turned 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:09.239 up on me and he get passionate and he just 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.560 start kind of raising his voice, and you know, Luke, 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.560 building a relationship with him was kind of like a 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.840 case study man for me. It's like the challenge to 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.200 me is building a relationship with somebody, coexisting with somebody 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:27.120 who you know, you may have conflicting ideologies with um 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.960 it's somebody who you may not necessarily have a relationship 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.640 with if it weren't for the music space, which I 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:38.000 think is I'm intrigued by that, right because I think 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.640 he's such an incredible lyricism. I think he's so different 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.040 from me. But I think that through through music we 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.000 can we can we can find we can find the 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.919 neutral things that we agree on, and we can also 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.399 learn to agree to disagree on the things we don't 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.359 agree on without having to try to change how each 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.640 other feels. And you know, like, to me, that's the 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:06.359 ultimate way of building solidarity because I think black people 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.200 with us, black people in general, we feel like, shit, 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.440 we got to be a monolith. We don't, you know 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.480 what I mean? Like we all pretty much have the 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:18.440 same goal. Did everybody's agenda starts to change a little bit, 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.440 and everybody's pathway to get into that end goal it's different, 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.520 but everybody thinks that their pathway is so superior to 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.640 somebody else's. So and I think music is the only 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.680 thing that can kind of neutralize that. So um, And 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.040 I like Lou, I still do. I like him as 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.239 a person. I think you're real cool. I disagree with 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.960 a lot of shit did he has to say? But so, um, 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.759 he started yelling. He yelled a couple of times at 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.279 me on the podcast, and I just told him, it's 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.520 not a problem. It's okay for you to like cross 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.680 my boundary if you don't know my boundary, as long 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.160 as when I let you know about it, you know 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.919 you can make that correction moving on and we find 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.279 So it never was like an argument or nothing, but 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.799 it was just like, Yo, the yelling is the only 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:01.879 thing that I'm not I can't really do. I don't 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.960 do the yelling. I don't yell at nobody in my life, 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.279 and nobody yells at me, you know what I mean. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.520 So that's just not something I'm willing to, you know, 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.600 deal with. Some people are different. Some people are cool 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:13.600 with that. Some people don't like when you lie. Some 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.160 people don't like, Yo, don't yell at me, you know 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.880 what I'm saying. So this was the third time he 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.240 did that. So when he came onto the thing, he yelling, 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:25.839 and I'm telling him, Luke, calm down, and I already knew. 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.719 I was like, Yo, you think I think you think 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.759 that I initiated this conversation. I ain't had nothing to 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.440 do with this conversation. This is something that they just 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.920 did on they came up with on their own. And 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.600 I was like, calm down before you say some stupid shit, 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.880 and he was, you know, when somebody already turned up, 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:45.920 it's hard for them to calm down. So he kept 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.279 yelling and yelling and yelling and yelling, and then I 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:54.680 called him a bit, and that was that was the 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.239 thing that I did that I gotta hold myself accountable. 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.120 Do I regret it? I don't know if I don't 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.359 know if regret it's the right word, but I don't. 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.839 I'm not happy about saying that because I don't think 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.600 he's a bit, you know what I mean. I don't 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.160 think we should speak to each other that way, you know. 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.799 But I do understand why I said. I understand why 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.640 I said it because it was just a reaction. It 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.640 was a point that I got pushed you, and I 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.520 feel like I gave a lot of warning points. I 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:26.800 gave a lot of a lot of lead into it. 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.239 And that's me knowing myself. If it gets to a 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.560 point where I start getting upset, I'm gonna just react 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.719 and then I'm gonna go outside of my body. I'm 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.279 gonna go I'm a vibrate lower, I'm gonna start doing 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:40.440 shit that's not really reflective of the way I want 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.919 to eve off and I don't. I don't, I don't. 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.719 I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.080 about it, but I don't. I don't. I think I 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:55.120 would regret it if um, if he hit apologize, then 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.640 I definitely would apologize and then it would go down 0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.560 as a regret. But as of right now, you know, 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.759 like the way that everything kind of got summed up, 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:04.759 it it is what it is, but I don't feel 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.880 good about it, no damn. And it turned into records 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.640 were all actually going at it, the record with the record. 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.080 When I did mind, it was still it was still 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.719 in the friendly competition category. But after I did mine, 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.200 that's when he unfollowed me. That's when he stopped the podcast. 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.680 So to me, that's an official fallout. So so to me, 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.400 that's no longer a battle, that's just a fallout. And 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.360 now I regret the song. That's why I never responded 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.040 to what he did. Who you think was the battle? 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.480 Just musically? Anybody can't he can have it, he can 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.680 have it. I don't. I don't. You know it wasn't. 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.160 I'm not. First of all, I don't think anybody. I 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:50.280 don't think anybody cares about um. It never was about 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.520 who rap, who can rap better, who can win in 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.440 the battle. It never really was about that man. It 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:59.400 was just we sparked up conversation to have friendly conversation 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.920 with a whole lot of different guys that speak to 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.279 a whole lot of different audiences all together, so people 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:09.520 can follow one clear, precise narrative, you know what I mean. Like, 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.160 there was a point in my career where it was 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:20.240 important to me to be the best lyricist. I've grown 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.799 from that, you know what I mean. So I mean 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.000 I think, I think, especially when you're talking about somebody 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.000 like Lou who's so much different from how I am, 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.560 it's just gonna come down to preference, you know what 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.600 I mean. I don't think what he what he did, 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.359 it's him at his best, in my opinion, not from 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.160 me as a fan, it's him at his best. It 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.520 was it was just sound like a bunch of angry shit, 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:44.200 a bunch of angry, scathing shit that he said because 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.359 he was mad. I heard that about both yal though 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.680 I heard that about both the projects that both of 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.680 the songs that No, it wasn't no venom in mind. No, 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:53.200 I'm not talking about the people. Just was like, oh, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:54.680 this isn't either one of their best. But I think 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.319 it's because of the expectation, because y'all are super lyricists, right, 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.600 So you think in Loupay and Roy's at each other, 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.320 you're about to hear some shit you ain't never heard before. No, 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.719 it wasn't that kind of It wasn't that kind of um, 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.160 that kind of atmosphere. You know, It wasn't it wasn't 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.239 planned for us to, you know, just go at each 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.920 other like that. Everything just kind of happened spurred the 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.000 moment I blamed the pandemic too, and the way to 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.800 Mickey Facts come in Mickey Facts just kind of he 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.840 just kind of inserted himself. He just kind of inserted 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.840 himself into it. And I think he just looked at 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.200 it as an opportunity, opportunity to get in the mix 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:32.400 because he was one of the he was one of 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.640 the people that was that was involved in the combo 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.200 that we were having, you know, but he was boosting 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.840 it up like who would win between you and he 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.480 was He was one of the people kind of talking 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.600 about it. Um. But after the Me and Luke thing happened, 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:47.960 I think he looked at it as an opportunity to 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.600 jump in there, because he jumped on the live stream 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:55.040 with me, and he didn't he didn't like the fact that, um, 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:57.960 he was trying to get me to call him a 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.000 top tier lyricist and I was just telling him I don't. 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:02.759 I don't view him as that, but I do think 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.640 he's dope. And he thought, since we were in front 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.359 of the audience, that I was trying to play him. 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.719 And then Joe came in and Joe Joe was kind 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:11.279 of talking at him, you know what I'm saying, So 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.520 he turned around and he did it, did his disc 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.960 record and shit, And I think it was him and 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.280 Lou were kind of like in cahoots with it, because 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.680 Lou was kind of like, all right, now you do that. 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.440 That mean now I don't have to I don't have 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:26.560 to respond back and say nothing, you know what I mean, 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.279 I don't have to keep going back and forth. Because 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.359 I think I think part of part of Lou felt 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.160 like that I had planned this ship the whole time, 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:35.520 you know what I mean, So he thought that I 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:37.840 was gonna keep going. So that was one of the 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.120 reasons why I made sure that I didn't respond, because 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:41.680 I didn't want it to even seem like that I 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.759 had even planned that, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.880 I don't I don't want to. I don't want I 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.600 don't want to put Lou in a position to where 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:50.480 he viewed a certain way, you know what I mean. 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.239 Like that ain't what I'm here to do, you know 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.200 what I mean? So I just I just got it. 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.360 I kind of had to let it go. The Mickey 0:50:56.400 --> 0:51:00.480 facts thing. People were like, Yo, you gotta respond to respond, 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.600 And that's exactly why I didn't respond. I don't tell 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.680 me I gotta respond. Shit, you know what I'm saying. 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.960 That's another thing, man. The fans or the followers or 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.160 whatever you want to call them, they think they think 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.160 we work for them, you know. They think we like 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:16.960 you know, steph and fetch it and shit, like we 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.040 just wrap. We just rapp when they say we should 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:23.160 because they want to be entertained. And yo, that's cool too. 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:27.040 We can rap competitively to entertain if that's what we 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.239 agree to do, as long as we keep it respectful. 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.560 But if it turns into a fallout and it turns 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.759 into real personal feelings. I'm not interested in that, man, 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.640 I had enough of that in my career. Hip hop 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.800 is exhausting. Yeah, and the male ego is so fragile, 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.719 Like all of this stuff sound like it's this one 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:48.799 phone conversation. You could like that so much it is? Yeah, 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.600 I agree. Where where will we learn that communication from therapy? 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.920 Name or rap? Name a rapper and therapy? Yeah, there 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:58.520 ain't too many. It's more now, you know, it's so funny. 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.920 It's more the younger generation that's embracing it, then the 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.120 older few people who probably really need to process some 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.920 of that unhealed Trump. You know what, Loue Page, he's 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.160 just too He's so smart. He's so smart. He's too 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:13.080 smart for his own good. I think I don't think 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:16.480 he needs therapy. He needs therapy, definitely needs therapy. But 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.920 I mean, you know, dog out, I got mad, I 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.880 got mad. Love for lout. But let's let's get back 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.680 to it. They haven't experienced it's out this week. You 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.680 want to play what the time? Do you want to 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.440 play what at the time? Yeah, let's play what at 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:30.440 the time. Well, we appreciate you brothers. For joining us, 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.800 Thank you for it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,