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Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guests joining

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Speaker 1: us today. Indeed, you got Royce to five nine. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Brother's up? What's up? What's up? Roy It's my brother

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Speaker 1: Courtney Bell all right, Corney Belle, a long time friend

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Speaker 1: and partner Keno Keno who are talked to times. Keo

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Speaker 1: Keno and Royce looking very slim and vegan. Man, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Nice healthy looking lifestyle on y'all, brothers. I can see ye,

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Speaker 1: definitely a healthy lifestyle. Not quite vegan yet. Though not

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Speaker 1: quite vegan yet. I'm not all the way converted, but

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I'm getting what you've been up to.

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Speaker 1: Royce's everything. I've been adjusting, man, adjusting to the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's tough. It's a

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Speaker 1: tough time, you know what I mean. So I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to keep myself mentally, mentally stable. I'm learning about myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm learning. Uh. The biggest lesson I learned about myself

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Speaker 1: is I don't need to be speaking all the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't always I don't always need to be saying stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get my filter together. I'm trying to learn how to

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Speaker 1: protect my energy, especially on like Instagram, my timeline, What

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Speaker 1: to look at? What should I just not look at? Correct?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So that's the biggest adjustment

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Speaker 1: that I've been making. And then music, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: always making music, so you know, so right now we

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Speaker 1: got a project card to having experience where I actually

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Speaker 1: I took over ownership of a lot of my masters

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Speaker 1: from back dating back, you know, which is I feel

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Speaker 1: it's super important now, you know, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: artists are artists should look at every song like a

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Speaker 1: straight up asset. You know, we got all of these

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Speaker 1: companies that for the most part, don't even need to

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Speaker 1: even know about music anymore. They're just looking at it

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Speaker 1: like an investment, which it is, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So now it's the best time to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you've got ownership and make sure that you can figure

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Speaker 1: out new things to be able to do with the

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Speaker 1: masters when you get them. That's a lot of people say,

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Speaker 1: you know, people want their masters, they want their ownership

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Speaker 1: but don't know what to do it. They don't know

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Speaker 1: what to do it when they get them, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So what's the purpose of having them

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Speaker 1: and you don't know what to do it? You don't

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Speaker 1: know how to monetize them. Well, think about this, Remember

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Speaker 1: when they used to just be physical, just physical copies.

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Speaker 1: You know, you sell it, it sales in the store

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Speaker 1: at one time, and I sit now when you upload

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Speaker 1: it to the streaming platforms, it may not pay out

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Speaker 1: in one big ass lump like it may have before,

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Speaker 1: but it's exists now because it's just present, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So think about it. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these companies they're buying up all of these masters, they

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Speaker 1: signing up all these artists, even at the lowest level.

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Speaker 1: But then you know, it's all catalog and it all

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Speaker 1: adds up, you know what I mean. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's key to just make sure that you have as

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Speaker 1: many things on platforms as possible, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: other conversations can be opened up. So that's why this

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Speaker 1: is happening, right, Because I'm looking at you like, you

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Speaker 1: got fifteen songs, ten of them our best of us basically, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So this is why this trend of artists dropping projects

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Speaker 1: with catalog, that's why this had become more popular. This

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Speaker 1: because people getting the mass back. I'm not sure. I

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Speaker 1: can't speak for anybody else. I know with me, with me,

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Speaker 1: as soon as I got them, the first thing I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do because we had to take them down,

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Speaker 1: get them, and then now we need to put them

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Speaker 1: back up. They're there, you know what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 1: then from there, you know, we can have Sky's a

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Speaker 1: limit on what the conversation could be. It was the

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Speaker 1: process of getting it back, was it? You know, some

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Speaker 1: people have to wait a certain amount of time, some

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Speaker 1: people had to pay people. Was just a conversation. So

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Speaker 1: what was the process with you getting your masters back?

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Speaker 1: All of the abovesa. But you know when you when

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Speaker 1: you have when you signed. You know, from our era

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Speaker 1: when we did deals, it was standard for the for

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Speaker 1: the labels to have control of the master for like

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Speaker 1: seven years or something like that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So some of it was just waiting out the seven years,

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Speaker 1: going back and getting them. And then it's a process too.

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Speaker 1: After that said, you know, you got to go through

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Speaker 1: a whole process after that, and then some of it

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Speaker 1: will say hold at me, buy that back, and then

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Speaker 1: some of it. You know, it was all three, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm constantly on that grind

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Speaker 1: like I want everything, I want everything that I've ever done,

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Speaker 1: you know. And then moving forward. Obviously Keeno and I

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Speaker 1: are way more in the no now. So moving forward,

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Speaker 1: there's no deal that we don't know how to do.

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Speaker 1: Do you talk to a lot of the Detroit artis

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Speaker 1: because it's Detroit, is a new wave of artists coming down. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you get a chance to speak with the younger

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Speaker 1: artists and say, hey, this is how you should be

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Speaker 1: signing your deals? Or is it one of those things

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Speaker 1: when you're like that we knew what we're doing. Anyway, No,

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Speaker 1: I speak to him as much as I can. This

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Speaker 1: is one of them. Let's dud. It's like enlightened beyond

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Speaker 1: his years. He's not he's non problematic. But um, there's

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Speaker 1: a few artists, a few young artists in my studio

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Speaker 1: that I kind of mentor not to the degree of him,

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Speaker 1: but um, there's a lot of companies I call them

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Speaker 1: like middleman middleman guys, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: they come with a bag of money. Um, they don't

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Speaker 1: have much to offer, but since they have money upfront,

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Speaker 1: and they're catching these guys at a time where they

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Speaker 1: kind of need money or they feel like that they

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Speaker 1: need money. Um, it's already in the contract. I actually

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Speaker 1: read somebody's proposal and it said, um, we will have

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Speaker 1: ownership of a master in perpetuity, and then we'll split

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Speaker 1: everything sixty forty sixty US forty you and give you

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Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars advance. And he was thinking about

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Speaker 1: signing that for five thousand dollars guy, because yeah, because

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Speaker 1: we don't number one. We programmed to think shortsided correct, definitely,

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Speaker 1: we have no kind of like idea of how to

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Speaker 1: place value on that master, so early on we don't

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Speaker 1: and then it goes and then it's like, damn, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now I know a little bit more. Now I want

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Speaker 1: to go get the master back. Now it's the same

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Speaker 1: old song and dance publicly from a public platform, you

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Speaker 1: bashing some company or something like that, which that shit

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Speaker 1: don't look good either, you know what I mean? But

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Speaker 1: you get it. I get it. You understand you signed

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Speaker 1: that deal for five thousand, right, and this is what.

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Speaker 1: This is what most people. It was something that somebody

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Speaker 1: think though you make one hit, the label puts out

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Speaker 1: that run hit. Now you're making Remember, artists don't make

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Speaker 1: five thousand and ten thousand dollars to show if they

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Speaker 1: got a hit. They're making forty fifty sixty thousand US

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Speaker 1: it's I think it's probably left. In conversation on the

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Speaker 1: way here, I'm I'm we were looking at the jar

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Speaker 1: and her interview. We was talking about RV's position, and

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Speaker 1: I honestly see RV's position on it. I see labels position.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why we we balanced what we do. If

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Speaker 1: I'm a label, or if I'm a person and I

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Speaker 1: give you five grand and it goes nowhere, you don't

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Speaker 1: know me that five grand back, Yeah right, you know.

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Speaker 1: But when it goes somewhere, it's an investment. You invest

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Speaker 1: an Apple, Apple don't get the I'm you and say well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take our stocks back because we're making too much.

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Speaker 1: It's a deal. The problem is we don't always understand

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Speaker 1: the complexity other deals because we don't come from homes

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Speaker 1: where that type of business is discussed you can't be mad.

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Speaker 1: You have to have an attorney. So that means your

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Speaker 1: attorney looks over that paperwork in most cases. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: your attorney is the attorney. That's right. We got I

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Speaker 1: give you an attorneys just to attorney. You can't have

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Speaker 1: an attorney. But you know how that conversation came up

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Speaker 1: in the car. I said, do you think it's possible

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Speaker 1: for me, a black man, to cultivate a real meaningful

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Speaker 1: relationship with an artist and on his masters And I

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Speaker 1: said yeah, he said, for a period, for any period

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Speaker 1: of time, I think, so there is there any point

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Speaker 1: where that artist it's gonna get a little bit wiser,

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Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, and then look look at it

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Speaker 1: in retrospects, if possible for him or her not to

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Speaker 1: harbor Yeah, I agree with you negotiate though, like when

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Speaker 1: that artist catches that hit. It has to be a

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Speaker 1: point where it said, okay, I made my money back

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Speaker 1: after investment. Because it's not just five thousand dollars. You

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Speaker 1: gotta pay for travel. You gotta pay for Warter. That's

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Speaker 1: the bigger traveling you're paying for. What would your renegotiation be?

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Speaker 1: It depends how big the record is like a perfect example, right, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Cardi B. When Cardi B was first signed, they put

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Speaker 1: a lot into Cardi B. But then she took off.

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Speaker 1: That should have been to renegotiate right then, and there

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Speaker 1: you got the one of the biggest female artists. Give

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Speaker 1: it half the company she Cardi B. That's my opinion

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Speaker 1: and for everybody. But let me once I recoup my money,

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Speaker 1: me and her should be equal partners fifty. But then

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Speaker 1: what happens when you got five Cardi bs on your label? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say to about the

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Speaker 1: masters conversation. It's about the investment you put in them.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I don't want none of

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Speaker 1: your masters if I didn't make a large investment. But

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Speaker 1: if I made a large investment, and I can see why,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get it back, or we could we could

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Speaker 1: do I think what we all should be doing, which is,

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Speaker 1: as the older generation, we need to get through to

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Speaker 1: the youth and let them see it's a different way

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Speaker 1: to do it, right, because that's this is probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest disparity between uh, the youth and the ogs that

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Speaker 1: we've seen, right, We've all come in, we've all had mentors,

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Speaker 1: that we've seen and and respected and learned a lot from.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time where the youth is looking

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Speaker 1: at us like there's there's a disconnect. And we think

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Speaker 1: the disconnect is because as long as you could separate

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Speaker 1: the youth from the experience, then it's easier to get

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Speaker 1: them in these these quick deals and and and take

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Speaker 1: them for a ride. And we're gonna be held to

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Speaker 1: a different standard than the labels would be. I mean

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Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, you here the way niggas talk about

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Speaker 1: whole buff you know what I'm saying, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: nobody talk about le or don't nobody talking about none

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Speaker 1: of these labels, correct, But listen, let whole do something.

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Speaker 1: That should do something, Let any of any of us

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Speaker 1: do something. And it's just like, oh man, you wrong,

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Speaker 1: how could you do that? You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But when you're invest in somebody, like let's say him,

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Speaker 1: you're investing them. You're paying for everything, right because he's

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Speaker 1: getting the start. So you're paying for studio time. Right

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Speaker 1: if people don't think studio time is expensive, but you're

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Speaker 1: paying for studio time, You're paying for them lights to

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Speaker 1: be on, you're paying for the engineer, you're paying for

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Speaker 1: the food, the per diem, the water, traveling hotels, wardrobe.

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Speaker 1: If they don't have it, now he has to make

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Speaker 1: a record. If that record don't pop, you don't get

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Speaker 1: none of that money back. And you're doing it on

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Speaker 1: some family shit. You know, we're gonna spoil each other,

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Speaker 1: that that's ego, though it is, that's ego. Your ego

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Speaker 1: get wounded one time. Now you just want to fall back,

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Speaker 1: like no, if you want something, go get it relentless.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. Haven't want to name your children. No, Having

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Speaker 1: success part of it. What made you decide to work

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Speaker 1: of I'm a lyrics is, you know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: it was divine that it happened more than anything. How

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Speaker 1: many Detroite artists. That's we're missing the mentors though. We

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Speaker 1: I think Memphis had that. Detroit might just be getting

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Speaker 1: was just saying, I use the word um artist development

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00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 1: when we talk about artists because I think it's gone

424
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 1: beyond telling somebody how to write a song, Like artist

425
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: development for me has been like how do you how

426
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: do you get a hit record and come on here

427
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: and not go home and die? How do you say

428
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 1: to how do you learn how to have to write conversations?

429
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: How do you get a million dollars and not go

430
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: by rims or have everybody else your lawyer account? Everybody

431
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 1: take their money, but there's no understanding of how wealth

432
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: is created. So for us, arts development is and I

433
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: think what roy says mentor, it's about really just giving

434
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: them the tools and the resources and the strategies. Because

435
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: the hit record can come and go. One hit record

436
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: can set you up for life, or you had ten

437
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: albums and just teaching them the importance of solidarity. I mean,

438
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're always missing Detroit. Obviously it's a little

439
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: better now than it's been, but this is by far,

440
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: by far, the best place Detroit has been in cultural

441
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, we got so many

442
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: artists popping right now, but we are missing with like

443
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: what you said, we don't have that executive like Gotti

444
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: come in and signing up everybody, which would help to

445
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of bring us all a little bit closer. You know,

446
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of like just all over the coach. Can't

447
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: trying to sign every Detroit not the only ones Gazi

448
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: trying to sign. Everybody's looking at Detroit right now. Last

449
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: week I went through. I drove to Detroit. I think

450
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: like seven eight artists. I went to the each each

451
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: one of their hoods is to see how different it is.

452
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: But just the fact that they get so much love

453
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: in each one of their hoods and all that music

454
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: is playing was like, damn, they just I just want

455
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: to see it go, like go go, and that's like

456
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: a Landa was like I think we're there though, yeah,

457
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: I think, And that's what I was about to say,

458
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: like just to answer your question, like before the industry

459
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: came to the city, because I'm a part of that generation,

460
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: the baby Faced Rais and all of them. We are

461
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: our own celebrity in our neighborhoods and in the city.

462
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: So outside of the culture, like we're we'll get a million,

463
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: two million views alone just in Detroit before it catches

464
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: and sparks outside of our culture. So like, I feel

465
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: like that's the biggest thing with us, and you know,

466
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,239
Speaker 1: chiming in on what y'all said, it is pivotal that

467
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: we have that connection between the ogs and my generation

468
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: because now being in the age of social media, we're

469
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: in a space to where it's like with us having

470
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: that disconnect. Oh, I don't need you because now I

471
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: have money like you have money. I have the resources

472
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: like you have it, but we don't have the wisdom

473
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: and the innerstanding of the business side. And they hustlers,

474
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, they hustlers too, So they their concern

475
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: is we coming and get the money. They don't necessarily

476
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: give about hit records, you know what I'm saying. So

477
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 1: I think that's that's why you don't see, you know,

478
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: songs even structured like they're even trying to be on

479
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: like radio like first day Out. Yeah, just incredible, incredible.

480
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 1: It was like I'll see where they're coming from, like

481
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: that vessel and code that records. I wonder if because

482
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I think about like Shady Aftermath, right, like, was was

483
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: that the right machine? But at the time, it just

484
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a plethora of artists like it is now. Because

485
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: m did what he could right like he had de twelve,

486
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: he had obe him did an amazing job. Put the

487
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: light on trick. Yeah, even when he was even when

488
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying, you know what i mean, Like just

489
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: what he did opened up so many doors. Back then,

490
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: it was Detroit was broken down like this. You had

491
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: the street rapper side, which was the street niggas who

492
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: rapped kind of like what you see now, and then

493
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: you had hip hop nigga side that was us, the

494
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: backpackers quote unquote from the hip hop shop. So myself

495
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: proof everybody on our side got a deal. Every single

496
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: person from that era on the hip hop side gotta deal.

497
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: It was just our time, you know what I'm saying.

498
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take it even further, like the Street Lords,

499
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: cheddar Boys, rock Bottom, all of these crews that were

500
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: making the street records back then, who were kind of

501
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: in competition with us. They were making straight up club classic,

502
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: street classic records that still play today. That they were

503
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: the kind of records that y'all are talking about that

504
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: the youngest now are missing. The youngest now are kind

505
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: of like a derivative of these guys. Street Lord wand

506
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: Blade Guy arrested Soul and it just wasn't the game

507
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: hadn't caught up to what they were doing yet. Now

508
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: the game has caught up to that. And the doors

509
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: wide open for the vessels the side of the the babies,

510
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: and they pick that ship through and they came stumping.

511
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: But I wish I wish one of them would make

512
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no. I wish

513
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: one of them make one of them because if they

514
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: do that, that's it. It's yeah. Now, I see you

515
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of people come to Heaven Studio. Chris

516
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Webber was just there. I think Jake Cole was there once.

517
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: I think I saw you pick your cold. So what's

518
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: going on? Is it records being made? Like? What is it? Yeah,

519
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: it's records being made. Um see. Webb actually came the

520
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: other day he played some beats. But um, we got

521
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: some other stuff that we're doing. Um, can I talk

522
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: about that In the marijuana business, we partnered up and

523
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: we're doing some stuff canadaj the derogatory term he just got,

524
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: well you know what it is, canceled. No, no, no no.

525
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: But somebody told me who was in the cannabis business

526
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: that marijuana was. It was a term that white people

527
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: used to use for a weed coming out of Mexico,

528
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: and so it's actually a bad kind of They look

529
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: down the term cannabis. Okay, okay, cool, So I see weed,

530
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: we probably okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say cannabis.

531
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my attorney on this. So yeah,

532
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: we were partnering it up on some stuff in the

533
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: cannabis business. We're doing some NFT stuff together and we're

534
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: gonna make some music together. And then he has a

535
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: bunch of dope ideas on stuff that we can do.

536
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: And it was just a long time coming. We met,

537
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: We met like a while back, but we never really

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: got a chance to connect like that. So we spent

539
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: some time with each other and just seeing how like

540
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: minded we were, and um, I'm into that right now,

541
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, just being around like minded people, real niggas,

542
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, building relationships and just figuring

543
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: out ways that we can um use our viability that

544
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: we bring to the table, put it together and figure

545
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: out what we can do and just be real creative

546
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: with what that could be. They got a lot of

547
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: lies it too, though. First in Detroit, that's wild to me.

548
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: They got to legalize it. You meant, well, you know

549
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: it's only in Detroit, but it's crazy because you can

550
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: go five minutes out into the white area and it's legal.

551
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: But this little recreational which makes no sense, which makes

552
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: no sense. You know, we don't. We don't give Chris Webbing,

553
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: Jail and Rolls and Jimmy King and Ray Jackson and

554
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Juwan Howard the credit they deserve, right because I'm not

555
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: even I'm not from Detroit, but I look at those brothers.

556
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: They were so unapologetically black at a time when we

557
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't see that type of unapologetic blackness on TV and

558
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: bracing hip hop the way that they did. But as

559
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: a Detroit native, how how how did that impact? Man?

560
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: It impacted me in a way that me and see

561
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Webb set and talked about that very thing you just

562
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: said for five hours. Wow. The niggas they shifted to paradigm. Man,

563
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: they changed the way that players wanted to dress like Yo.

564
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: They first ones with the long baggy shorts, the big

565
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: baggy jerseys, with the shirt T shirt under it, with

566
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: the sleeves cut off. It was their idea to go

567
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: with the haaraces that did not match the uniform. It

568
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: was their idea for everybody to cut their hair ball.

569
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: They Wow, and they were freshmen, all of them freshmen,

570
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: all of them freshmen starting running shit. You know what

571
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's just they paved the way for the

572
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: AI paved it, and I you know, we need more

573
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: of that, man, We need more people m for lack

574
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: of a better phrase, obviously, but to kind of like

575
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: give the system a little bit of pushback, you know

576
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it's just necessary, man, It's not necessary.

577
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: I gotta ask slaw the house of y'all back on

578
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: good terms. I don't know what month this was, what

579
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: week it was. I happened to term Instagram and I've

580
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: seen y'all arguing on Instagram. You would you would you

581
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: were the middle man, you would have one trying to

582
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: calm things down, and they were going back and forth

583
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: and I just turned to I was like, I can't

584
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: see these bubbs argument anymore. So you're back good. I

585
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: mean we never we never. I mean I could never

586
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: say we're bad, you know what I mean? Like they listen, man,

587
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: we've been We've spent ten years together. Man, damn there

588
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: every day building something special, you know what I mean.

589
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: And it just it just ended in a very unfortunate way.

590
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: But I can't just sum it up like that. Man,

591
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry. Man, it's

592
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: my doorbell of the studio. I'm sorry. Probably just George

593
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Dash So so I can't just sum it up like, nah,

594
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: we ain't good, you know what I mean. Now we

595
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: haven't spoken. You know, two of the guys, Crooking and Joel,

596
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: made some made some decisions that you know, we can't

597
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: really come back from in terms of business, and that's

598
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: really it. Decision was they decided to do their own

599
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: group or do their own thing together. Nah they Um,

600
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm give you the short version. But me and Joe

601
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: is sitting around minding our own business and we look

602
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: up and they they release they start rolling out a project.

603
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: The project was called The Rise and Fall of Slaughterhouse.

604
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: They put this project out in the project is announcing

605
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: to the world that the group is old. And this

606
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: is why we had already went through a long negotiation

607
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: with Shady to pull the group off the label so

608
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: we can do things moving forward, so we can make

609
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: another album, so we can relaunch merchandise, so we can

610
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: relaunch everything slaughter House. And for whatever reason, so y'a

611
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: were gonna do another album, even Joe was gonna do

612
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: get in the studio and do another album at that time.

613
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely okay, absolutely, And so the whole album was basically

614
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: about how Joe Knock gonna wrap Cricket came to the

615
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: table with a deal idea. We didn't want to do it,

616
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: so day over it. They're done, The group is done.

617
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: And I just felt like that was a hell of

618
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: a thing to blindside me with as a friend and

619
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: as a business partner, because number one, if the group

620
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: is gonna be over, that's fine. Things and things and

621
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: all the time, let me know that. Send me a text,

622
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: shoot me a text letting me know what you're done,

623
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: or if you're gonna go public and say that you're

624
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: done with the group, that's cool, but don't just go

625
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: public and just announced that the group is done, you

626
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's I expected more out

627
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: of Crooked. I didn't have as much of a problem

628
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: with Joel because you know, me and Joel always been

629
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: been cool. But me and Crook, I thought we were

630
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: better than that, you know what I mean. So it

631
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: was more of a it's more of a personal more

632
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: of a personal thing, you know what I mean. But

633
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't bring myself to a point where

634
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: I can get on a public platform and bashing in

635
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: them though, you know what I mean. I got too

636
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: much love for him, and I think the amount of

637
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: love I got for him is what made me so disappointed,

638
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it go back to

639
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, just about you know, airing

640
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: out how I feel on public platforms. Bunn told me,

641
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: like when we first, when Slaughterhouse first became a thing,

642
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: he called me. Any time I ever aired out anything

643
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: publicly if it involved family, I always regretted it, and

644
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: that always resonated with me, and I've done I've went

645
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: since that conversation, I went and done that probably fifty times,

646
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: and I regretted it every time. So you know, so

647
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I'm working on. So

648
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, no more slaughter House, but

649
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: still nothing beloved always I respect everything, as you said,

650
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like that should have been an easy

651
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: conversation for crooking in Joel because Joe don't want to rap.

652
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to wrap, there's no slaughter house.

653
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: So why shouldn't they be able to go do their

654
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: own project. Well, it's easy to paint Joe as that

655
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: because of how many things he said publicly, But when

656
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: we having conference, when we're having conference calls and he's

657
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: a part of every call and we having creative conversations

658
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: about what we're gonna do next, you know what I mean?

659
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: He was gonna get back and then do it. Joe

660
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: staying is I'm not I'm retired. I'm doing I'm in

661
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: the content space. But I'm really into ownership right now.

662
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I will wrap in slaughter House if we own it,

663
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: but we got to own it. It can't be on

664
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: Shady And if we decide to take it to another label,

665
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: I would be particular on how we would do that

666
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: deal because we already built this. This is something we

667
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: built already, and I agree that it shouldn't just sit

668
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: on Shady. It shouldn't just sit on Shady if Shady

669
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: doesn't want to release it. And this is respectfully because

670
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I love them too. Always, it shouldn't just sit on Shady.

671
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: We built it. It's ours. So when we got it

672
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: off of Shady, man, I was like, that was like fulfilling.

673
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: It was like it was bitter sweet. It was bitter

674
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: sweet because it was like, damn, I had a vision

675
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: for doing this with my good friend, you know what

676
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, But it didn't work out for obvious reasons.

677
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: So getting it off of there and still now having

678
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: it back in our possession and having something that we built,

679
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the first tangible thing that we built in this business organically,

680
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, multimillion dollar brand that we built from the ground.

681
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: When everybody told us, y'all been around the block, y'all

682
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: can't man, y'all never be able to do festivals, y'all

683
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: don't have songs, y'all don't have hooks, you know what

684
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, and we kind of like defied all

685
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: of those odds, you know what I'm saying. So to

686
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: get to that point with Joe being way more knowledgeable

687
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: obviously myself being way more knowledgeable, and then just having

688
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: it in our possession and for them to just jump

689
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: the gun like that because of a deal that he

690
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: put on the table, which he that's never been his

691
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: role in the group. But I mean anything that anybody

692
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: put on the table, I would consider it. But I

693
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: think that we should be allowed to ask questions, right

694
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: like if if if I put something on the table

695
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: for us and you ask questions, or even if you

696
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: say no, does that mean everything is over? Or does

697
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: that mean we go to another label? We hadn't talked

698
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: to any other labels yet. We hadn't even talked to

699
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: a label in that situation. We talked to a guy

700
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: who was talking to a label. We never had nothing

701
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: on paper. There never was a proposal in black and

702
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: white for us to look at. It was just a conversation.

703
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: He didn't like how the conversation went, so he decided,

704
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: fuck them, We're gonna go do this. I feel playing

705
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: devil's advocate, right, do you feel like the white devil's advocate?

706
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: We know Joe was doing well with his content, creating

707
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: everything that he's doing you're obviously doing well. Could it

708
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: be a situation where maybe Joel and Crooket weren't doing

709
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: as well because the group was so much financial for them.

710
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all were going on tours, y'all. I don't

711
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: think y'all ever really got the money that y'all deserved.

712
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: Yet you feel like maybe that was their way of saying, look,

713
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: I gotta feed my family at the end of the day.

714
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: Possibly possibly, And I mean, listen, that makes it even

715
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: worse because it's like, Bro, if that's what it was,

716
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: we who are you supposed to have been talking to?

717
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, who who wouldn't understand?

718
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: Who would understand that more than your brother? Me, the

719
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: guy who've been up and down, up and down just

720
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: like anybody else in this business. You know what I'm saying, Like,

721
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: I understand the ups and down. So if it's if

722
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: this is a downtime and this is like something, because

723
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: there's been plenty of things that I've done that I've

724
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: done because one of my rules in the group was

725
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm not doing any three man shows.

726
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: In three man all members gotta be there. There's been

727
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: plenty of times Joe couldn't make it where they were like, yo, listen,

728
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: we need you to come do this because we need

729
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: the money. And I did it, you know what I mean?

730
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: So what is that was just a bad deal, like

731
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Roy's gonna be. It was a bad deal. They possessioned

732
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: a bad deal and they use a lot of stuff

733
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: that was happening within the group. Um, it was just

734
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: a bad deal, right person. There were times when when

735
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: Joe was ready to wrap and we couldn't get crooked

736
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: a rap. They don't talk about that shit, you know

737
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I couldn't crook rap Crook Cooker

738
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: always ready to wrap. Crook didn't want to know see

739
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. See See, people got the wrong

740
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: impression about people. And that's why Joe is easy to

741
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: paint as a certain thing. He's easy talking. Yeah, look

742
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: like they look like the blue collar guys, correct, you

743
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: know the guys who you know willing the road, They

744
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: sleeves a fuck all that Crook he had his ways

745
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: about him the whole time. He always had some issue

746
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: with Joe that he wouldn't address. It was always in

747
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: the air. I can't quite put my finger on what

748
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: that was. But this nigga that made Joe disrecords, he

749
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: didn't did it. All types of shit, you know what

750
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. People just didn't hear you know what I mean.

751
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: But he did it. He did it, And there was

752
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: a time where he was like, nah, I ain't rapping,

753
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Nobody fucking went out and

754
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: put out an album about him not rapping and saying

755
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: that the group is over with. It's just it's messy.

756
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: And then on the business side, it's like, Yo, you're

757
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: not You're not sucking up our ship. You're sucking up

758
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: your ship too, you know what I mean. We're all

759
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: taking the same altogether. And then you know, like during

760
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: the whole process, you painted me, You painted me in

761
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: a certain light. You had to paint me in a

762
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: certain light in order to be able to do that.

763
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out what what did

764
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: I do to deserve that? Yeah, I mean, there's no

765
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: record silent because I heard I heard people getting invited

766
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: to the Frank stand on those those calls, right, I

767
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: never did. Didn't somebody sayd SMD on one of those calls?

768
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Joe, Joe, Joe, one of them. I

769
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: was like, Joe, Yeah, Joe said that project, that project

770
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of SMD. He said that project that probably could suck

771
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: my did Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, well maybe it was

772
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: the project. Oh yeah, maybe that's not that's just yeah

773
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: that when I started seeing it on lies, like you

774
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: know what, enough, that was just that was just some

775
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Joe shit to say though, you know what I'm saying,

776
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: like it, But it wasn't like Joel know how Joe talked,

777
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So that wasn't that wasn't

778
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: really nothing. That was one of them things where you

779
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: can take it. You can take it super super offensive

780
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and personal if you if you choose to. But Joe

781
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: Joel said a lot of He said a lot of

782
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: weird stuff too, you know what I mean, Like everybody

783
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: played their part. I'm I'm holding myself accountable for the

784
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: for the part that I played to you know what

785
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean? But I meant, did you play you think?

786
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're making it hard for me because I

787
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: don't do much wrong. Charlotte Man, I just I just

788
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I just um I think um I did that thing

789
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: that I was talking about. I went on Joe's show

790
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: and I was I was frustrated in my reaction to

791
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: what they did, caused Crook to react to how I reacted,

792
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And then what he said,

793
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: what he said made me block them, It made me

794
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: block him on social media and made me block his

795
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: number because I don't. I love them too much and

796
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing else to get said. That's gonna

797
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: that's gonna turn me up, that's gonna put me up there,

798
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and I don't feel

799
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: like there's anything that should go on in the wrap

800
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: space that should even bring you to that, you know

801
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. But we all we all gardened something,

802
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we all gardened. Rather

803
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: it's our egos. We come from environments where the measuring

804
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: stick to cool and some souped up tough guys. Shit,

805
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like everybody's like, watch how

806
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: you talk to me, respect me, But everybody ain't being

807
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: so respectful, you know. So talk to me about the

808
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Loupe Fiasco thing, because I still don't understand what that

809
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: went left. Ye're doing a podcast together the next thing,

810
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's disrecords flaming. I really don't know, Like

811
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: I've tried to follow it. But I really don't know

812
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: how that turns into that. And at first I thought

813
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: it was friendly, just on something like I'm super ly

814
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: Loupe super lyrical. Let's you know. It was friendly. It

815
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: was friendly, it was friendly. But the same thing happened.

816
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: There was a conversation on live stream on a on

817
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: a on the platform, public platform for everybody to see,

818
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: and Loupe um he made an assumption, he assumed because

819
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: murder much and loaded luks Um. One of those who

820
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: got one of those guys posed the question who would

821
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: win in a battle between me and Louke. Now, now

822
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Urel had already reached out to us and asked us

823
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: what we battled each other on the platform. We said no,

824
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: We talked about it. We agreed that that's not even

825
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: something that we would be interested in. I never even

826
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: looked at lou as as like a um uhh, that

827
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: he could be an op up mind, you know what

828
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I don't feel like that he's that

829
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: he's that kind of rapper. I think he's an amazing rapper, correct,

830
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's that kind of rapper. I

831
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: don't think of guys like him when I think of

832
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: if I thought, damn, if I was to battle somebody,

833
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: who would it be? You know, I would think about

834
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: people like sigh, Hi, you know, people who are more

835
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: aggressive and you know, like attacking MC's kind of style,

836
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, lyric You know, louis more of like a cerebral,

837
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: top tier amazing lyricists. So m so we said no.

838
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: So when they when load of Lux and Move posed

839
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: that question, they called Lou and start just hyping him up, saying,

840
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I think Lux was like, I think

841
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: you will win, you know, So whatever they talked about,

842
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: Lou assumed that I was the person who initiated that conversation,

843
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: so he thought that I spoke to him and we

844
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: agreed that we wouldn't battle, And then I turned around

845
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: and went and sparked up a conversation trying to bait

846
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: him back into going on that stage to battle me.

847
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: And he didn't like that. But the way he did

848
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: it with just it just wasn't cool. Or he dodn't

849
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: call you and ask you that's what the fuck I'm saying.

850
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: So he can't. So, so me and Young Guru we

851
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: on live stream and then he's in the comments saying

852
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: bring him in, so I bring him in. I was

853
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: meet him young Guru. I think Muke was on there too,

854
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: and we bring him home. This nigga ain't got no

855
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: shirt on, like he walking around with it. Everything to

856
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: do with it. Smoke, you want to smoke because it's

857
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: like my nigga, I came up with a dad who

858
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: used to cust me out not wearing no shirt all

859
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: the time. You know. So he like he like I

860
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: seen it immediately. He was turned up already as soon

861
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: as he brought him on. Yeah, nigga, you're gonna keep

862
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: bringing this ship up and making food lot of yourself.

863
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: Get yourself embarrassed, nigga. And it was just like I said, Lou,

864
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: put your shirt back. Put your shirt back on, I said,

865
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and calm down now now we're doing a podcast together.

866
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: There were two other times that he kind of turned

867
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: up on me and he get passionate and he just

868
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: start kind of raising his voice, and you know, Luke,

869
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: building a relationship with him was kind of like a

870
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: case study man for me. It's like the challenge to

871
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: me is building a relationship with somebody, coexisting with somebody

872
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: who you know, you may have conflicting ideologies with um

873
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: it's somebody who you may not necessarily have a relationship

874
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: with if it weren't for the music space, which I

875
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: think is I'm intrigued by that, right because I think

876
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: he's such an incredible lyricism. I think he's so different

877
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: from me. But I think that through through music we

878
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: can we can we can find we can find the

879
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: neutral things that we agree on, and we can also

880
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: learn to agree to disagree on the things we don't

881
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: agree on without having to try to change how each

882
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: other feels. And you know, like, to me, that's the

883
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: ultimate way of building solidarity because I think black people

884
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: with us, black people in general, we feel like, shit,

885
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: we got to be a monolith. We don't, you know

886
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like we all pretty much have the

887
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: same goal. Did everybody's agenda starts to change a little bit,

888
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: and everybody's pathway to get into that end goal it's different,

889
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: but everybody thinks that their pathway is so superior to

890
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: somebody else's. So and I think music is the only

891
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: thing that can kind of neutralize that. So um, And

892
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: I like Lou, I still do. I like him as

893
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: a person. I think you're real cool. I disagree with

894
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of shit did he has to say? But so, um,

895
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: he started yelling. He yelled a couple of times at

896
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: me on the podcast, and I just told him, it's

897
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: not a problem. It's okay for you to like cross

898
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: my boundary if you don't know my boundary, as long

899
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: as when I let you know about it, you know

900
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: you can make that correction moving on and we find

901
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: So it never was like an argument or nothing, but

902
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: it was just like, Yo, the yelling is the only

903
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: thing that I'm not I can't really do. I don't

904
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: do the yelling. I don't yell at nobody in my life,

905
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: and nobody yells at me, you know what I mean.

906
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: So that's just not something I'm willing to, you know,

907
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: deal with. Some people are different. Some people are cool

908
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: with that. Some people don't like when you lie. Some

909
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: people don't like, Yo, don't yell at me, you know

910
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So this was the third time he

911
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: did that. So when he came onto the thing, he yelling,

912
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: and I'm telling him, Luke, calm down, and I already knew.

913
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, you think I think you think

914
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: that I initiated this conversation. I ain't had nothing to

915
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: do with this conversation. This is something that they just

916
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: did on they came up with on their own. And

917
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: I was like, calm down before you say some stupid shit,

918
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, when somebody already turned up,

919
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: it's hard for them to calm down. So he kept

920
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: yelling and yelling and yelling and yelling, and then I

921
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: called him a bit, and that was that was the

922
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: thing that I did that I gotta hold myself accountable.

923
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: Do I regret it? I don't know if I don't

924
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: know if regret it's the right word, but I don't.

925
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm not happy about saying that because I don't think

926
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: he's a bit, you know what I mean. I don't

927
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: think we should speak to each other that way, you know.

928
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: But I do understand why I said. I understand why

929
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: I said it because it was just a reaction. It

930
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: was a point that I got pushed you, and I

931
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: feel like I gave a lot of warning points. I

932
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: gave a lot of a lot of lead into it.

933
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: And that's me knowing myself. If it gets to a

934
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: point where I start getting upset, I'm gonna just react

935
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go outside of my body. I'm

936
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: gonna go I'm a vibrate lower, I'm gonna start doing

937
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: shit that's not really reflective of the way I want

938
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: to eve off and I don't. I don't, I don't.

939
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good

940
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: about it, but I don't. I don't. I think I

941
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: would regret it if um, if he hit apologize, then

942
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: I definitely would apologize and then it would go down

943
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: as a regret. But as of right now, you know,

944
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: like the way that everything kind of got summed up,

945
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: it it is what it is, but I don't feel

946
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: good about it, no damn. And it turned into records

947
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: were all actually going at it, the record with the record.

948
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: When I did mind, it was still it was still

949
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: in the friendly competition category. But after I did mine,

950
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: that's when he unfollowed me. That's when he stopped the podcast.

951
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: So to me, that's an official fallout. So so to me,

952
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: that's no longer a battle, that's just a fallout. And

953
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: now I regret the song. That's why I never responded

954
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: to what he did. Who you think was the battle?

955
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: Just musically? Anybody can't he can have it, he can

956
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: have it. I don't. I don't. You know it wasn't.

957
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm not. First of all, I don't think anybody. I

958
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: don't think anybody cares about um. It never was about

959
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: who rap, who can rap better, who can win in

960
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: the battle. It never really was about that man. It

961
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: was just we sparked up conversation to have friendly conversation

962
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: with a whole lot of different guys that speak to

963
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot of different audiences all together, so people

964
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: can follow one clear, precise narrative, you know what I mean. Like,

965
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: there was a point in my career where it was

966
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: important to me to be the best lyricist. I've grown

967
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: from that, you know what I mean. So I mean

968
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I think, I think, especially when you're talking about somebody

969
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: like Lou who's so much different from how I am,

970
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: it's just gonna come down to preference, you know what

971
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't think what he what he did,

972
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: it's him at his best, in my opinion, not from

973
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: me as a fan, it's him at his best. It

974
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: was it was just sound like a bunch of angry shit,

975
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of angry, scathing shit that he said because

976
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: he was mad. I heard that about both yal though

977
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: I heard that about both the projects that both of

978
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: the songs that No, it wasn't no venom in mind. No,

979
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the people. Just was like, oh,

980
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: this isn't either one of their best. But I think

981
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: it's because of the expectation, because y'all are super lyricists, right,

982
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: So you think in Loupay and Roy's at each other,

983
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: you're about to hear some shit you ain't never heard before. No,

984
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't that kind of It wasn't that kind of um,

985
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: that kind of atmosphere. You know, It wasn't it wasn't

986
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: planned for us to, you know, just go at each

987
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: other like that. Everything just kind of happened spurred the

988
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: moment I blamed the pandemic too, and the way to

989
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: Mickey Facts come in Mickey Facts just kind of he

990
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: just kind of inserted himself. He just kind of inserted

991
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: himself into it. And I think he just looked at

992
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: it as an opportunity, opportunity to get in the mix

993
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: because he was one of the he was one of

994
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: the people that was that was involved in the combo

995
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: that we were having, you know, but he was boosting

996
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: it up like who would win between you and he

997
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: was He was one of the people kind of talking

998
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: about it. Um. But after the Me and Luke thing happened,

999
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I think he looked at it as an opportunity to

1000
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: jump in there, because he jumped on the live stream

1001
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: with me, and he didn't he didn't like the fact that, um,

1002
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: he was trying to get me to call him a

1003
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: top tier lyricist and I was just telling him I don't.

1004
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: I don't view him as that, but I do think

1005
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: he's dope. And he thought, since we were in front

1006
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: of the audience, that I was trying to play him.

1007
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: And then Joe came in and Joe Joe was kind

1008
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: of talking at him, you know what I'm saying, So

1009
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: he turned around and he did it, did his disc

1010
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: record and shit, And I think it was him and

1011
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: Lou were kind of like in cahoots with it, because

1012
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: Lou was kind of like, all right, now you do that.

1013
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: That mean now I don't have to I don't have

1014
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: to respond back and say nothing, you know what I mean,

1015
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: I don't have to keep going back and forth. Because

1016
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: I think I think part of part of Lou felt

1017
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: like that I had planned this ship the whole time,

1018
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So he thought that I

1019
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: was gonna keep going. So that was one of the

1020
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: reasons why I made sure that I didn't respond, because

1021
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to even seem like that I

1022
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: had even planned that, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1023
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to. I don't want I

1024
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: don't want to put Lou in a position to where

1025
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: he viewed a certain way, you know what I mean.

1026
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Like that ain't what I'm here to do, you know

1027
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I just I just got it.

1028
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: I kind of had to let it go. The Mickey

1029
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: facts thing. People were like, Yo, you gotta respond to respond,

1030
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's exactly why I didn't respond. I don't tell

1031
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: me I gotta respond. Shit, you know what I'm saying.

1032
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: That's another thing, man. The fans or the followers or

1033
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, they think they think

1034
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: we work for them, you know. They think we like

1035
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, steph and fetch it and shit, like we

1036
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: just wrap. We just rapp when they say we should

1037
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: because they want to be entertained. And yo, that's cool too.

1038
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: We can rap competitively to entertain if that's what we

1039
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: agree to do, as long as we keep it respectful.

1040
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: But if it turns into a fallout and it turns

1041
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: into real personal feelings. I'm not interested in that, man,

1042
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: I had enough of that in my career. Hip hop

1043
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: is exhausting. Yeah, and the male ego is so fragile,

1044
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: Like all of this stuff sound like it's this one

1045
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: phone conversation. You could like that so much it is? Yeah,

1046
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I agree. Where where will we learn that communication from therapy?

1047
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: Name or rap? Name a rapper and therapy? Yeah, there

1048
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: ain't too many. It's more now, you know, it's so funny.

1049
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: It's more the younger generation that's embracing it, then the

1050
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: older few people who probably really need to process some

1051
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: of that unhealed Trump. You know what, Loue Page, he's

1052
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: just too He's so smart. He's so smart. He's too

1053
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: smart for his own good. I think I don't think

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Speaker 1: he needs therapy. He needs therapy, definitely needs therapy. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, dog out, I got mad, I

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Speaker 1: got mad. Love for lout. But let's let's get back

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Speaker 1: to it. They haven't experienced it's out this week. You

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Speaker 1: want to play what the time? Do you want to

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Speaker 1: play what at the time? Yeah, let's play what at

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Speaker 1: the time. Well, we appreciate you brothers. For joining us,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,