WEBVTT - Boys Are Back 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.360 This is how men think with growths like and Gavin 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:08.760 to grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to another 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.119 episode of How men think. My name is Brooks like 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.920 and another unique episode today. As we do it remotely, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.720 I can't see him, but I can hear him, and 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.160 he sounds as handsome as ever. Mr Gavin de garras, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.720 what's up, buddy man? I feel Brookes. I'm doing good, 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:31.200 but how are you? Man? Just just digesting the weird 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:39.520 times we're in? Isn't it wild? So outrageous and bizarre, unpredictable? 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.680 You know? I asked my dad, my dad see, I said, Dad, 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.000 you ever see anything like this? He said, never, never, 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:53.680 anything similar, nothing even close. Isn't it wild? It's absolutely 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.000 It's like absolutely bananas. Man. The whole world is on 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.360 high alert. The whole world pretty much is almost on lockdown. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:08.880 It's a phenomenal and devastating event, like this is something 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.040 that will go down, Like going to the grocery store. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.640 I have gloves on, I'm wearing a mask, I have 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.080 my hood over my head, standing six ft apart from 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.000 each other, waiting to enter the grocery store, one in, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:26.280 one out, like I'll never pick up groceries. Yeah, put 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.560 my hockey gear on and go to the grocery store. Um. Yeah, man, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.720 I'll never forget that feeling and and you know, and 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:39.240 seeing bare aisles and so grateful right now for one, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.839 the health care workers, the people that are taking care, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.000 risking their own lives, taking care of people who have 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.640 the coronavirus. And to um, the rest of the support staff, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.520 the people, the clerks at the grocery store, the people 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.680 that ship the food, the people that keep this world 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.000 running and keep us alive in these times. I pray 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.720 every single meal for the protection and the guidance and 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:11.320 the support of those people. Um. It's amazing. Yeah, it's 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.200 amazing to see some of the best of humanity come 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.239 forward in a time of crisis. Yeah, I agree with you. Man, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.680 Well we'll put it's uh if you can only you 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.239 can only appreciate it when things get bad, you know 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.440 what I mean? Man, where are you? That's when they 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:35.119 step up? Where you at my house in Nashville, and uh, 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.800 I live downtown, so things are really peculiar, you know. Uh. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.120 And a lot of people they have you know, they 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.680 live outside in the country or the suburbs or you know. Um, 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:51.040 but I live in the epicenter of tourism in Nashville, Tennessee, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:56.720 and I'm used to hearing music blaring up and down 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:02.000 the streets here and and seeing bats red parties and 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.440 everybody you know, rocking their cowboy hats in their cowboy 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.840 boots and partying and taking fettle taverns up down the 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.919 street and hanging at at our bar, and bands playing 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.680 live everywhere, and people laying out by the pool. And 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:23.960 it is absolutely a ghost town. And at this point, um, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.760 you know, there's a there's a park near me, and 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.480 there's always been like a high concentration of homeless folks 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.960 in that park and that hasn't ended. That's still there. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.080 So when you go outside now, there's a higher population 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.920 of homeless walking around in that area and on the 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.840 streets than there are people with uh with jobs or 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.440 with or with homes. It's really it's just it's just 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.880 upside down around here. It's just it's just absolutely it's 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.880 absolutely twilight zone. It's crazy. Hey, it's just even like 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.480 l a play is just like there's nobody on the freeways, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.040 there's nobody in town. And it's great, Like I love 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.680 that people are practicing the social distancing and the safer 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.960 at home and staying at home. Um, trying to like 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.000 curve this and end this as soon as possible. I 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.200 love the people are doing it, but man does it 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.839 create an eerie feeling. But the more space you see, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.600 the less people you see out Like I remember a 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.160 couple of weeks ago they gave the safer at Home 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.240 order in l A, encouraging people to stay at home 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.719 and Runyon Canyon, all the hiking trails, the beaches. Everything 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:38.320 was still just slammed. Um people weren't. Yeah, because businesses 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.480 have shut down. People were supposed to be at home, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.240 but then they were. They were out and about because 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.880 the weather was great. They wanted to be active until 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.120 they really got the scope of how how serious this 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.080 thing is, this coronavirus is, and then have now taken 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.480 upon themselves and and are staying at home. So it's 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.040 nice to see people and hearing for that. Yeah, I 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.599 I agree with you, But you know, for for people 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.840 who live in apartment buildings and stuff like that, I mean, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.960 I don't see how you are really how you can 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.320 really feel safe if you need to go outside the 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.920 walk your dog, um, because you know you're gonna hop 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.440 an elevator if you live above you know, six floors, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.479 you know, um, and what do you do? Like? You know, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.440 I just I just saw a guy. I was on 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:29.520 my way down to walk the dog, um and uh, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.640 you know, I saw a guy got un friendly within 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.480 the building and uh, you know, the door opened up 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.720 on his floor and I said, sorry, bro, man, I'll 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.479 send it back up. You know what I mean, to 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.039 your floor, because you know, you can't can't be sharing 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.920 an elevator with somebody that's not exactly room to roam 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.720 in there. And and uh he was like yeah, man, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.320 no problem, no problem. And I saw him outside. I 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.240 bumped in on him again. He goes hey, man, I said, hey, dude, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.800 sorry about that. He goes hey. He goes I don't 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:13.520 want to have to take you off my playlist. I said, actually, man, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.640 will do you take my phone number down? Because it's 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.040 just in case it hits the fan around here. We 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.800 need to be able to contact each other. It was 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:28.480 like absolutely on that playlist. Get them all those royalties again. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:34.360 Oh yeah, I get you though. That's one thing. Unfortunately 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.679 having a home, we just have a private entrance. Um. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.240 But yeah, if you're in a if you're in an 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.719 apartment building or condo building, my heart goes out to you. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.520 But even when I go out, if I go out anywhere, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.040 I'm going with a face mask and I'm going with 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:54.040 latex gloves on. Um every single time, just be because 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.120 I don't want only not only do I not want 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.560 to get it, I don't want to be responsible for 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.400 spreading it. So if I did get it, I don't 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.240 want to give it to anybody or you know, anything 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.360 like that. It's just I've been watching. Yeah, I've been 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.840 watching this for months. Like when they started talking about 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.480 it in January, I'm like, this thing's coming. Um. I 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.240 never anticipated it would be this big, but I was like, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.040 this is coming. Um, But man, is it a wild time. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.480 But I also think it's an I also think it's 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:28.280 a real the travesties aside the death's acide. That's that 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.480 is tragic. We're not we're not skipping over that. That 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.960 is absolutely tragic. But I also think it's a real 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.240 opportunity in ways because there's not as much distraction in 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.760 our life of we're not driving to and from work, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.800 there's more time at home. It's a real opportunity in 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.119 other ways to experience different parts of life, maybe parts 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.320 that we overlook, um, things that we don't dedicate enough 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:56.040 time to anything like that. About that, that's a great point. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.640 Are there any ways in your life currently where you're like, wow, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.040 this is actually you know, it's as tragic as it is. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.040 I've found a way to make it a blessing and 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.280 make it an opportunity in ways that I never would 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:12.600 have experienced before. Uh Man, you know, I do, I 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.640 do understand that. I do totally understand what you're talking about. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.280 I think for a lot of people who live particularly 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.960 regular day to day life where they you know, they 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.640 leave their families to go to work, they come back, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.920 they're too tired to hang with their family, this and that, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:31.560 I could totally see that being UM time a beautiful thing, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.880 being able to spend some time with their family, almost 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:39.600 like forced socialization in that way, you know. UM. But 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.800 at the same time, you know the uh, you know, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.960 being being pulled away from a normal, normal, normal, other circumstances. Obviously, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.199 it's so so heavy on you. UM. For me, I've 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.640 been applying it, you know, trying to get creative. But 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.920 there was a period there I just really felt like 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.960 I couldn't get greeted. You know. Um, I was just 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.840 too occupied with all right, I gotta go get food. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.880 I gotta get these essentials, those essentials. I need to 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.800 go get this. And I mean, you know, immediately when 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.400 all the stuff started piling on, you know, I was 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.400 out totally outside of the how do I see the 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:28.000 beauty in this? And was completely in prepper mode, strictly 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.800 prepper mode, you know what I'm saying. Um, And you know, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.640 people have their own version of prepper mode. Mine wasn't 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:39.280 going and buying buying every roll of toilet paper. Um. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.880 You know, I'm from the I'm from the woods, so 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:47.760 my pepper mode is totally different. And so it's funny 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.320 when I have conversations. Yeah, I'm all stocked up on 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:56.240 toilet praper, you know, I'm like, that's your prep? What 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.880 kind of prep is that? You know what I'm saying? 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.600 So did you prep? What? What about food? Did you 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.200 get any food? Not yet? But I got all the 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:13.600 toilet paper probably, but how kinds of steaks sitting in 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:19.959 your freezer? But I'll tell you, man. Um, so there's that, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.200 there's that. But um, but you are right, I think 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.760 there really is beauty and finding the fact that you 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.400 do know the people you can rely on and the 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.840 people who are contacting you, and the people who are 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.040 reaching out and acting like they care about you, UM, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.760 because that matters, you know, that matters, UM. And my 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.240 personal life here, it's been tough because my dad had 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:48.200 open heart surgery, uh some months back, and you know, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.920 he's been he had a couple of strokes, so I 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.120 can't really leave him alone, UM, And so it's been 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.840 tough because you know, there's that balance of oh, how 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.840 much contact can I have about that? How close can 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:01.760 I do? You my dad? But at the same time, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.400 you know, if I wasn't checking in on my dad, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.360 I want to you know, seeing him having a seizure, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.600 you know what I mean. And so and so these 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.640 are the things. These are just different, you know, equations, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.439 and it's just different calculates for every household and every 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.040 every family member or roommate or friend or whoever you 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.000 you are hunkered down with. UM. You know, we're all 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.839 just doing the best weekend to you know flattened so 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.760 called flatten the curve. UM. But there's so many other 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:43.680 factors here that I think are you know, very horrifying 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.440 to me. Um, this this virus is one thing. Yes, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.040 it is lethal to some people, but you know, what 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.760 about the suicide rate? What about the suicide rate? You 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.199 know what, how is that going to change? Because people 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:06.400 are being as lutely wiped out, unemployed, hungry, you know, Um, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.880 their lives are falling apart. Yeah, what about the other 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.520 deaths that are going to come from the stress of 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:18.800 this that? You know, the anxiety creates its own health problems, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:23.560 you know, And so so there's there's other things here 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.599 that I find really terrifying, way past the virus itself, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.840 and then said the the the you know, the effects 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.640 on the economy. I mean I own a bar here. Um, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.600 I mean I could see it from my house and 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.640 you know just at our bar. Uh, you know, the 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.400 bar had to shut down. And that's what is that? 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:52.839 Sixty five people too who can't work? Yeah, you know 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.120 how the pressing is that? And and um, you know 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.600 oftentimes when you're working in that industry, you know, you're 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.480 you're not living check to check or week to week. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.319 That's day to day money, man, That's that's your money 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.840 or the day is the money you're relying on for 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:15.760 that You're really like, how do I get through today, well, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.720 I gotta make X amount of dollars by the end 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.360 of the day or on I'm screwed. It's tough that 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.520 you can feel that, you can just feel the energy 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.360 in the world. You can, UM, But I don't believe 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.640 that they're that people are. You hear about business owners 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.720 taking out loans to be able to still pay employees, like, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.560 there's some amazing stories that you still hear about. Like 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.480 I said before, I think I think some of the 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.800 best parts of humanity come out in a crisis time. UM. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.760 I've reached out to a couple of people that I 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.600 know are low income, UM that I've had to do 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.319 some work for me, for us, UM, just to make 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.760 sure they're okay. UM. I think so much of that 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.839 is going on. The people that can afford to do it, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.480 I think are reaching out with all of branches, left, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.959 right and center to help anybody. At least they are 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.600 and they do. But most businesses simply don't have UH 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.920 an operating account that would permit it. Period. The majority 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:22.040 of businesses simply don't live in that level of surplus. Period. Yeah, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.480 it's gonna be scary, And the fact is there's what's 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.960 that Yeah, keep going. What are you gonna say. I'm 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.720 just saying that the you know, there comes a point 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.840 where you know, you can't borrow any more money for something. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.000 You know what I'm saying, Like, not every business can 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.720 operate like that. Yeah, you know so, And it's it's 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:49.560 it's insane, it's gonna be. There's many things coming. You 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.240 touched on on a lot of them. There's many things coming. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.240 One there's I mean, we haven't even hit the peak 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.840 of this yet right there talking that. You know, listen 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.120 to President Trump talking about this week is gonna be 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.920 there's gonna be a lot of deaths this week in 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.960 the US, and then next week might even be the week. Um, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.240 there's projections going out that I'm listening to a lot 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.880 of stuff on coronavirus. There's projections that, um, it's gonna 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.840 be heavy until the end of June and then maybe 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.120 middle of August it's gonna start slowing down. Um, there's projections, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.920 projections of hundreds of thousands of death upward of two 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.680 hundred thousand deaths, um. And then they're talking about a 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.160 second wave of this. What happens when the economy picks 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.520 up starts up again, everybody goes back to work. Is 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.160 the second wave of this in the fall. And then, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.280 like you said, Gav, the amount of fallout from this, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:47.000 the um collateral damage, the suicides, the drug use, the anxiety, UM, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.280 these things that are not being measured right now and 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.400 won't have statistics on, but are definitely going to affect people, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.480 uh in right now or in the months coming. And 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.480 they've done studies. They look at studies for and stats 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.720 from the Great Depression, how drug use and suicide spiked 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.960 back then. Um. There's a lot of other things also 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.760 for for affluent people, people who own a business, somebody 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.320 like somebody like yourself. You own a bar, you own 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.880 a restaurant, and then all of a sudden you aren't 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.760 able to operate. That is your life savings put into 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.360 a restaurant or a business, whatever it is, and now 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.720 all of a sudden you're bankrupt. That is that is 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:33.000 another layer of stress, of anxiety, of pressure, and beyond 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.200 and beyond that, it's the it's the it's not even 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.840 about the debt. It's not about the loan, it's not 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:46.600 about your rent, it's not about the bills. Ultimately, it's 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.160 I have pride in providing jobs to people, It makes 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.320 them a living, It pays for their houses, it pays 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.720 for their cars, do you know what I mean? And now, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:06.600 if those businesses can't stay open, those people have no 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.720 way to generate income. Do you know what I mean? 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:16.720 And uh, And so it's it's beyond what what builds 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.560 you have for that place. The biggest thing that upsets 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.919 me is there's no jobs for those people. There's no 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.120 jobs for those people in these in that entire service 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:34.520 industry doesn't exist. You know, here's a question for you, Gav. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.320 But here's a question for you. So as a as 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.240 a bar owner, right like, right now, we're not being 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.760 told anything on when the economy is going to reopen, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.800 when we're going to go back to work, anything like that. Um, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:53.000 they're saying, they're saying they're hopeful for May, maybe saying 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.159 they're hopeful for June. But we're not being told a 0:17:55.200 --> 0:18:00.760 definitive clearly because we haven't UM level the curve yet 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.639 here um and got control of this. But at what 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:09.919 point do business owners forgo that and say I need 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:16.920 to open up, I need to know a great it's 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.159 you know, it's a great question. It's a perfect question. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.960 Here's the The interesting thing that's happened with the rise 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:29.240 of of of the technologies and social media is that 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.560 you can really push certain social agendas and a common 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:39.760 social consciousness. Right. The bad thing about that, the bad 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:45.159 thing about that is whatever the rolling ball is down 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.879 the hill, I want it's decided which ball that is 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.200 that's rolling down the hill of the collective consciousness, which 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.440 the social media, which social media has to ultimately lean 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.480 in become. Right, whatever the pop culture version of opinion 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:08.960 is becomes the gospel. Right. So if you were to 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.159 open up the bar, let's say and people go, fuck it, 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.840 let's just go have a good time. And if I'm 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.880 gonna go down, I may as well go down in flames. Right, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.960 go out there and take a risk, and if you 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.320 get sick, and get sick, right, ask from your approach 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.879 and you open the doors. He said, let's sew a 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:39.040 party a coronavirus party. Right. If you do that, hey, yeah, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:46.760 some people might show up, but be you would absolutely basically, 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.159 as far as public opinion goes, run the risk of 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.719 having your ankles shackled in chains and thrown into the 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.919 river for your reputation because your social cond just miss 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.879 wasn't elevated enough to care about the planet in the world, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.560 and the people you understand to be an element of 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:13.919 that demonizing you for operating, which is understandable because I 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.560 understand all schools of thought here, which are survival, staying afloat, 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.880 putting food on the table, needing to eat, and at 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:28.000 the saint time, running the risk of infecting somebody because 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.000 you were too callous or not careful enough. Right, So 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.720 we're all in this huge predicament. And but you know 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.800 what I think is the biggest thing and the scariest 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:45.720 thing about this whole this whole environment right now, is 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:51.880 we run the risk of setting precedent for losing certain 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:57.200 constitutional rights whenever a so called threat arrives at any kind. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:03.240 That's the scary part of all this to me. I'm 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.040 a freedom guy. I'm gonna live at your own risk 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:12.080 personality type. So if you're told you're not permitted to 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:19.160 do this or that because it makes you not careful 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.960 enough for you know, the you know, other people in 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.800 your society, and they'll shame you for going into the 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:35.560 grocery store, you know, or two of you walking close together. Um, 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:41.000 because it's a medical risk. We're a life risk of 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.360 some kind, we we start to run the risk. Then 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:49.520 at that point of setting a precedent of being able 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:55.440 to enforce anything, any sort of restriction, any behavioral restriction, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.639 simply by coming out and saying, oh, there's another virus. 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.520 Everybody stay home and you're not allowed to leave your house. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.440 You could say it at any point. I was listening 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.200 to I was listening to something on this yesterday. Um, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.399 they're talking about how after nine eleven, how all of 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.840 a sudden T s A. There was pat downs and 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.479 people were in an operation. They're patting me down at 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:20.200 the airport. Are you kidding me? They're touching patting me down. Now, 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:26.359 fast forward, fast forward twenty years. Um, it's nothing. You 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.439 get to the airport, you just expect it, right, It's 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.760 just part of everyday life. Now. So now now the 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.240 new norm, like you said, is oh there's a virus, 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.760 everybody stay at home. We stop everything. Businesses shut down, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.960 stay at home, schools shut down, work from home, stay 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.800 at home. Whole economy shuts down. And I see what 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.000 you're saying is that the future is that going to 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.800 be a new norm five years from now, ten years 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:54.160 from now, with that's right, yeah, when something comes down 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.879 spot on, because guess what, anytime they pat me down, 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.640 I'm still thinking in my head, just can hands off 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:08.240 of me? Anybody gets anybody gets six. No, it's true, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.080 it's true. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, get your 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.080 hands off of me. I haven't committed a crime. I'm 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.359 not even suspected of a crime. You shouldn't be allowed 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:22.920 to touch me. Yeah. Man, it's interesting debate. We could 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.439 go all day on this because they're doing it there. 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:30.840 It's like, it's not against you, it's nothing personal against you. 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.159 It's a it's a safety obviously you know what it's for. 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.800 But I get your pushback. Well, you know what, when 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.440 you can point to the examples of when it's actually 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.560 work to stop somebody from taking down a plane, then 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.359 you'll have an argument. But they're there army, so you know, 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:52.200 to discussion right now. So the same discussion right now 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:58.240 about coronavirus. There's I've heard a rumor that apparently they 0:23:58.600 --> 0:23:59.919 and I don't know if this is true. It's just 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.679 I'm listening to all kinds of different resources on this. 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.680 So I've heard a rumor that they figure everybody is 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.720 going to get this by the end of the year 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.720 in the US that everyone will have got it, And 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.560 if they announced that now, everyone would just go out 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.119 right now because they're like, well, I'm gonna get it 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.320 at some point, So why why not? Like why would 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.040 I Why don't I open my bar? You know, because 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.280 I'm going to get it. Patrons are going to get it. 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:27.480 Why not get it now and not lose the flood 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.000 the health care system and then you have real problems. Yeah, 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:35.879 But then there's also there's also the weight hearing some 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:41.080 really interesting debates on the weight of the economic cost 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:46.480 versus the life cost. And everyone will always say that 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:51.879 they are fully on board for saving as many lives 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:56.359 as possible. I believe every single human would say that. Um, 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.480 but there's discussions that if we shut down the entire 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.760 cont economy for months more, you know, and the death 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:08.720 rate is two thousand people, or what if we don't 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:12.480 shut anything down past April and the death rate is 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:16.080 a hundred and forty people. People are really having this 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.880 discussion is it worth there's sixty lives difference there. Let's 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.560 just say that's what it was. Would it be worth 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:29.439 the shutdown? You know? Because how many you haven't factored 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.240 in suicides or um like if if businesses go under, 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:37.440 if people lose their homes, um their life savings. You're 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:42.440 looking at suicide, drug youth, Um you have more casualties. Well, 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.720 does it even out over the course of a year. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.280 There's some real interesting discussions. And none of this is 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:56.199 meant to be unsympathetic or uncompassionate or unempathic. They're just 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.800 looking at real world possibilities to try iran guide this 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:06.800 thing forward in a in a state of complete uncertainty. Um, 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.000 it's just fascinating to learn, to listen and to learn 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.639