Speaker 1: This is how men think with growths like and Gavin
Speaker 1: to grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of How men think. My name is Brooks like
Speaker 1: and another unique episode today. As we do it remotely,
Speaker 1: I can't see him, but I can hear him, and
Speaker 1: he sounds as handsome as ever. Mr Gavin de garras,
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy man? I feel Brookes. I'm doing good,
Speaker 1: but how are you? Man? Just just digesting the weird
Speaker 1: times we're in? Isn't it wild? So outrageous and bizarre, unpredictable?
Speaker 1: You know? I asked my dad, my dad see, I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: you ever see anything like this? He said, never, never,
Speaker 1: anything similar, nothing even close. Isn't it wild? It's absolutely
Speaker 1: It's like absolutely bananas. Man. The whole world is on
Speaker 1: high alert. The whole world pretty much is almost on lockdown.
Speaker 1: It's a phenomenal and devastating event, like this is something
Speaker 1: that will go down, Like going to the grocery store.
Speaker 1: I have gloves on, I'm wearing a mask, I have
Speaker 1: my hood over my head, standing six ft apart from
Speaker 1: each other, waiting to enter the grocery store, one in,
Speaker 1: one out, like I'll never pick up groceries. Yeah, put
Speaker 1: my hockey gear on and go to the grocery store. Um. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that feeling and and you know, and
Speaker 1: seeing bare aisles and so grateful right now for one,
Speaker 1: the health care workers, the people that are taking care,
Speaker 1: risking their own lives, taking care of people who have
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. And to um, the rest of the support staff,
Speaker 1: the people, the clerks at the grocery store, the people
Speaker 1: that ship the food, the people that keep this world
Speaker 1: running and keep us alive in these times. I pray
Speaker 1: every single meal for the protection and the guidance and
Speaker 1: the support of those people. Um. It's amazing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: amazing to see some of the best of humanity come
Speaker 1: forward in a time of crisis. Yeah, I agree with you. Man,
Speaker 1: Well we'll put it's uh if you can only you
Speaker 1: can only appreciate it when things get bad, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Man, where are you? That's when they
Speaker 1: step up? Where you at my house in Nashville, and uh,
Speaker 1: I live downtown, so things are really peculiar, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people they have you know, they
Speaker 1: live outside in the country or the suburbs or you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but I live in the epicenter of tourism in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and I'm used to hearing music blaring up and down
Speaker 1: the streets here and and seeing bats red parties and
Speaker 1: everybody you know, rocking their cowboy hats in their cowboy
Speaker 1: boots and partying and taking fettle taverns up down the
Speaker 1: street and hanging at at our bar, and bands playing
Speaker 1: live everywhere, and people laying out by the pool. And
Speaker 1: it is absolutely a ghost town. And at this point, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a park near me, and
Speaker 1: there's always been like a high concentration of homeless folks
Speaker 1: in that park and that hasn't ended. That's still there.
Speaker 1: So when you go outside now, there's a higher population
Speaker 1: of homeless walking around in that area and on the
Speaker 1: streets than there are people with uh with jobs or
Speaker 1: with or with homes. It's really it's just it's just
Speaker 1: upside down around here. It's just it's just absolutely it's
Speaker 1: absolutely twilight zone. It's crazy. Hey, it's just even like
Speaker 1: l a play is just like there's nobody on the freeways,
Speaker 1: there's nobody in town. And it's great, Like I love
Speaker 1: that people are practicing the social distancing and the safer
Speaker 1: at home and staying at home. Um, trying to like
Speaker 1: curve this and end this as soon as possible. I
Speaker 1: love the people are doing it, but man does it
Speaker 1: create an eerie feeling. But the more space you see,
Speaker 1: the less people you see out Like I remember a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago they gave the safer at Home
Speaker 1: order in l A, encouraging people to stay at home
Speaker 1: and Runyon Canyon, all the hiking trails, the beaches. Everything
Speaker 1: was still just slammed. Um people weren't. Yeah, because businesses
Speaker 1: have shut down. People were supposed to be at home,
Speaker 1: but then they were. They were out and about because
Speaker 1: the weather was great. They wanted to be active until
Speaker 1: they really got the scope of how how serious this
Speaker 1: thing is, this coronavirus is, and then have now taken
Speaker 1: upon themselves and and are staying at home. So it's
Speaker 1: nice to see people and hearing for that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I agree with you, But you know, for for people
Speaker 1: who live in apartment buildings and stuff like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't see how you are really how you can
Speaker 1: really feel safe if you need to go outside the
Speaker 1: walk your dog, um, because you know you're gonna hop
Speaker 1: an elevator if you live above you know, six floors,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and what do you do? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: I just I just saw a guy. I was on
Speaker 1: my way down to walk the dog, um and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw a guy got un friendly within
Speaker 1: the building and uh, you know, the door opened up
Speaker 1: on his floor and I said, sorry, bro, man, I'll
Speaker 1: send it back up. You know what I mean, to
Speaker 1: your floor, because you know, you can't can't be sharing
Speaker 1: an elevator with somebody that's not exactly room to roam
Speaker 1: in there. And and uh he was like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: no problem, no problem. And I saw him outside. I
Speaker 1: bumped in on him again. He goes hey, man, I said, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: sorry about that. He goes hey. He goes I don't
Speaker 1: want to have to take you off my playlist. I said, actually, man,
Speaker 1: will do you take my phone number down? Because it's
Speaker 1: just in case it hits the fan around here. We
Speaker 1: need to be able to contact each other. It was
Speaker 1: like absolutely on that playlist. Get them all those royalties again.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I get you though. That's one thing. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: having a home, we just have a private entrance. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're in a if you're in an
Speaker 1: apartment building or condo building, my heart goes out to you.
Speaker 1: But even when I go out, if I go out anywhere,
Speaker 1: I'm going with a face mask and I'm going with
Speaker 1: latex gloves on. Um every single time, just be because
Speaker 1: I don't want only not only do I not want
Speaker 1: to get it, I don't want to be responsible for
Speaker 1: spreading it. So if I did get it, I don't
Speaker 1: want to give it to anybody or you know, anything
Speaker 1: like that. It's just I've been watching. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: watching this for months. Like when they started talking about
Speaker 1: it in January, I'm like, this thing's coming. Um. I
Speaker 1: never anticipated it would be this big, but I was like,
Speaker 1: this is coming. Um, But man, is it a wild time.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's an I also think it's
Speaker 1: a real the travesties aside the death's acide. That's that
Speaker 1: is tragic. We're not we're not skipping over that. That
Speaker 1: is absolutely tragic. But I also think it's a real
Speaker 1: opportunity in ways because there's not as much distraction in
Speaker 1: our life of we're not driving to and from work,
Speaker 1: there's more time at home. It's a real opportunity in
Speaker 1: other ways to experience different parts of life, maybe parts
Speaker 1: that we overlook, um, things that we don't dedicate enough
Speaker 1: time to anything like that. About that, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Are there any ways in your life currently where you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is actually you know, it's as tragic as it is.
Speaker 1: I've found a way to make it a blessing and
Speaker 1: make it an opportunity in ways that I never would
Speaker 1: have experienced before. Uh Man, you know, I do, I
Speaker 1: do understand that. I do totally understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people who live particularly
Speaker 1: regular day to day life where they you know, they
Speaker 1: leave their families to go to work, they come back,
Speaker 1: they're too tired to hang with their family, this and that,
Speaker 1: I could totally see that being UM time a beautiful thing,
Speaker 1: being able to spend some time with their family, almost
Speaker 1: like forced socialization in that way, you know. UM. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know the uh, you know,
Speaker 1: being being pulled away from a normal, normal, normal, other circumstances. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's so so heavy on you. UM. For me, I've
Speaker 1: been applying it, you know, trying to get creative. But
Speaker 1: there was a period there I just really felt like
Speaker 1: I couldn't get greeted. You know. Um, I was just
Speaker 1: too occupied with all right, I gotta go get food.
Speaker 1: I gotta get these essentials, those essentials. I need to
Speaker 1: go get this. And I mean, you know, immediately when
Speaker 1: all the stuff started piling on, you know, I was
Speaker 1: out totally outside of the how do I see the
Speaker 1: beauty in this? And was completely in prepper mode, strictly
Speaker 1: prepper mode, you know what I'm saying. Um, And you know,
Speaker 1: people have their own version of prepper mode. Mine wasn't
Speaker 1: going and buying buying every roll of toilet paper. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm from the I'm from the woods, so
Speaker 1: my pepper mode is totally different. And so it's funny
Speaker 1: when I have conversations. Yeah, I'm all stocked up on
Speaker 1: toilet praper, you know, I'm like, that's your prep? What
Speaker 1: kind of prep is that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: So did you prep? What? What about food? Did you
Speaker 1: get any food? Not yet? But I got all the
Speaker 1: toilet paper probably, but how kinds of steaks sitting in
Speaker 1: your freezer? But I'll tell you, man. Um, so there's that,
Speaker 1: there's that. But um, but you are right, I think
Speaker 1: there really is beauty and finding the fact that you
Speaker 1: do know the people you can rely on and the
Speaker 1: people who are contacting you, and the people who are
Speaker 1: reaching out and acting like they care about you, UM,
Speaker 1: because that matters, you know, that matters, UM. And my
Speaker 1: personal life here, it's been tough because my dad had
Speaker 1: open heart surgery, uh some months back, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's been he had a couple of strokes, so I
Speaker 1: can't really leave him alone, UM, And so it's been
Speaker 1: tough because you know, there's that balance of oh, how
Speaker 1: much contact can I have about that? How close can
Speaker 1: I do? You my dad? But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, if I wasn't checking in on my dad,
Speaker 1: I want to you know, seeing him having a seizure,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so and so these
Speaker 1: are the things. These are just different, you know, equations,
Speaker 1: and it's just different calculates for every household and every
Speaker 1: every family member or roommate or friend or whoever you
Speaker 1: you are hunkered down with. UM. You know, we're all
Speaker 1: just doing the best weekend to you know flattened so
Speaker 1: called flatten the curve. UM. But there's so many other
Speaker 1: factors here that I think are you know, very horrifying
Speaker 1: to me. Um, this this virus is one thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is lethal to some people, but you know, what
Speaker 1: about the suicide rate? What about the suicide rate? You
Speaker 1: know what, how is that going to change? Because people
Speaker 1: are being as lutely wiped out, unemployed, hungry, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: their lives are falling apart. Yeah, what about the other
Speaker 1: deaths that are going to come from the stress of
Speaker 1: this that? You know, the anxiety creates its own health problems,
Speaker 1: you know, And so so there's there's other things here
Speaker 1: that I find really terrifying, way past the virus itself,
Speaker 1: and then said the the the you know, the effects
Speaker 1: on the economy. I mean I own a bar here. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I could see it from my house and
Speaker 1: you know just at our bar. Uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: bar had to shut down. And that's what is that?
Speaker 1: Sixty five people too who can't work? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: how the pressing is that? And and um, you know
Speaker 1: oftentimes when you're working in that industry, you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're not living check to check or week to week.
Speaker 1: That's day to day money, man, That's that's your money
Speaker 1: or the day is the money you're relying on for
Speaker 1: that You're really like, how do I get through today, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta make X amount of dollars by the end
Speaker 1: of the day or on I'm screwed. It's tough that
Speaker 1: you can feel that, you can just feel the energy
Speaker 1: in the world. You can, UM, But I don't believe
Speaker 1: that they're that people are. You hear about business owners
Speaker 1: taking out loans to be able to still pay employees, like,
Speaker 1: there's some amazing stories that you still hear about. Like
Speaker 1: I said before, I think I think some of the
Speaker 1: best parts of humanity come out in a crisis time. UM.
Speaker 1: I've reached out to a couple of people that I
Speaker 1: know are low income, UM that I've had to do
Speaker 1: some work for me, for us, UM, just to make
Speaker 1: sure they're okay. UM. I think so much of that
Speaker 1: is going on. The people that can afford to do it,
Speaker 1: I think are reaching out with all of branches, left,
Speaker 1: right and center to help anybody. At least they are
Speaker 1: and they do. But most businesses simply don't have UH
Speaker 1: an operating account that would permit it. Period. The majority
Speaker 1: of businesses simply don't live in that level of surplus. Period. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be scary, And the fact is there's what's
Speaker 1: that Yeah, keep going. What are you gonna say. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that the you know, there comes a point
Speaker 1: where you know, you can't borrow any more money for something.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, not every business can
Speaker 1: operate like that. Yeah, you know so, And it's it's
Speaker 1: it's insane, it's gonna be. There's many things coming. You
Speaker 1: touched on on a lot of them. There's many things coming.
Speaker 1: One there's I mean, we haven't even hit the peak
Speaker 1: of this yet right there talking that. You know, listen
Speaker 1: to President Trump talking about this week is gonna be
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of deaths this week in
Speaker 1: the US, and then next week might even be the week. Um,
Speaker 1: there's projections going out that I'm listening to a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff on coronavirus. There's projections that, um, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be heavy until the end of June and then maybe
Speaker 1: middle of August it's gonna start slowing down. Um, there's projections,
Speaker 1: projections of hundreds of thousands of death upward of two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand deaths, um. And then they're talking about a
Speaker 1: second wave of this. What happens when the economy picks
Speaker 1: up starts up again, everybody goes back to work. Is
Speaker 1: the second wave of this in the fall. And then,
Speaker 1: like you said, Gav, the amount of fallout from this,
Speaker 1: the um collateral damage, the suicides, the drug use, the anxiety, UM,
Speaker 1: these things that are not being measured right now and
Speaker 1: won't have statistics on, but are definitely going to affect people,
Speaker 1: uh in right now or in the months coming. And
Speaker 1: they've done studies. They look at studies for and stats
Speaker 1: from the Great Depression, how drug use and suicide spiked
Speaker 1: back then. Um. There's a lot of other things also
Speaker 1: for for affluent people, people who own a business, somebody
Speaker 1: like somebody like yourself. You own a bar, you own
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and then all of a sudden you aren't
Speaker 1: able to operate. That is your life savings put into
Speaker 1: a restaurant or a business, whatever it is, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're bankrupt. That is that is
Speaker 1: another layer of stress, of anxiety, of pressure, and beyond
Speaker 1: and beyond that, it's the it's the it's not even
Speaker 1: about the debt. It's not about the loan, it's not
Speaker 1: about your rent, it's not about the bills. Ultimately, it's
Speaker 1: I have pride in providing jobs to people, It makes
Speaker 1: them a living, It pays for their houses, it pays
Speaker 1: for their cars, do you know what I mean? And now,
Speaker 1: if those businesses can't stay open, those people have no
Speaker 1: way to generate income. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And uh, And so it's it's beyond what what builds
Speaker 1: you have for that place. The biggest thing that upsets
Speaker 1: me is there's no jobs for those people. There's no
Speaker 1: jobs for those people in these in that entire service
Speaker 1: industry doesn't exist. You know, here's a question for you, Gav.
Speaker 1: But here's a question for you. So as a as
Speaker 1: a bar owner, right like, right now, we're not being
Speaker 1: told anything on when the economy is going to reopen,
Speaker 1: when we're going to go back to work, anything like that. Um,
Speaker 1: they're saying, they're saying they're hopeful for May, maybe saying
Speaker 1: they're hopeful for June. But we're not being told a
Speaker 1: definitive clearly because we haven't UM level the curve yet
Speaker 1: here um and got control of this. But at what
Speaker 1: point do business owners forgo that and say I need
Speaker 1: to open up, I need to know a great it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great question. It's a perfect question.
Speaker 1: Here's the The interesting thing that's happened with the rise
Speaker 1: of of of the technologies and social media is that
Speaker 1: you can really push certain social agendas and a common
Speaker 1: social consciousness. Right. The bad thing about that, the bad
Speaker 1: thing about that is whatever the rolling ball is down
Speaker 1: the hill, I want it's decided which ball that is
Speaker 1: that's rolling down the hill of the collective consciousness, which
Speaker 1: the social media, which social media has to ultimately lean
Speaker 1: in become. Right, whatever the pop culture version of opinion
Speaker 1: is becomes the gospel. Right. So if you were to
Speaker 1: open up the bar, let's say and people go, fuck it,
Speaker 1: let's just go have a good time. And if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go down, I may as well go down in flames. Right,
Speaker 1: go out there and take a risk, and if you
Speaker 1: get sick, and get sick, right, ask from your approach
Speaker 1: and you open the doors. He said, let's sew a
Speaker 1: party a coronavirus party. Right. If you do that, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: some people might show up, but be you would absolutely basically,
Speaker 1: as far as public opinion goes, run the risk of
Speaker 1: having your ankles shackled in chains and thrown into the
Speaker 1: river for your reputation because your social cond just miss
Speaker 1: wasn't elevated enough to care about the planet in the world,
Speaker 1: and the people you understand to be an element of
Speaker 1: that demonizing you for operating, which is understandable because I
Speaker 1: understand all schools of thought here, which are survival, staying afloat,
Speaker 1: putting food on the table, needing to eat, and at
Speaker 1: the saint time, running the risk of infecting somebody because
Speaker 1: you were too callous or not careful enough. Right, So
Speaker 1: we're all in this huge predicament. And but you know
Speaker 1: what I think is the biggest thing and the scariest
Speaker 1: thing about this whole this whole environment right now, is
Speaker 1: we run the risk of setting precedent for losing certain
Speaker 1: constitutional rights whenever a so called threat arrives at any kind.
Speaker 1: That's the scary part of all this to me. I'm
Speaker 1: a freedom guy. I'm gonna live at your own risk
Speaker 1: personality type. So if you're told you're not permitted to
Speaker 1: do this or that because it makes you not careful
Speaker 1: enough for you know, the you know, other people in
Speaker 1: your society, and they'll shame you for going into the
Speaker 1: grocery store, you know, or two of you walking close together. Um,
Speaker 1: because it's a medical risk. We're a life risk of
Speaker 1: some kind, we we start to run the risk. Then
Speaker 1: at that point of setting a precedent of being able
Speaker 1: to enforce anything, any sort of restriction, any behavioral restriction,
Speaker 1: simply by coming out and saying, oh, there's another virus.
Speaker 1: Everybody stay home and you're not allowed to leave your house.
Speaker 1: You could say it at any point. I was listening
Speaker 1: to I was listening to something on this yesterday. Um,
Speaker 1: they're talking about how after nine eleven, how all of
Speaker 1: a sudden T s A. There was pat downs and
Speaker 1: people were in an operation. They're patting me down at
Speaker 1: the airport. Are you kidding me? They're touching patting me down. Now,
Speaker 1: fast forward, fast forward twenty years. Um, it's nothing. You
Speaker 1: get to the airport, you just expect it, right, It's
Speaker 1: just part of everyday life. Now. So now now the
Speaker 1: new norm, like you said, is oh there's a virus,
Speaker 1: everybody stay at home. We stop everything. Businesses shut down,
Speaker 1: stay at home, schools shut down, work from home, stay
Speaker 1: at home. Whole economy shuts down. And I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying is that the future is that going to
Speaker 1: be a new norm five years from now, ten years
Speaker 1: from now, with that's right, yeah, when something comes down
Speaker 1: spot on, because guess what, anytime they pat me down,
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking in my head, just can hands off
Speaker 1: of me? Anybody gets anybody gets six. No, it's true,
Speaker 1: it's true. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, get your
Speaker 1: hands off of me. I haven't committed a crime. I'm
Speaker 1: not even suspected of a crime. You shouldn't be allowed
Speaker 1: to touch me. Yeah. Man, it's interesting debate. We could
Speaker 1: go all day on this because they're doing it there.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not against you, it's nothing personal against you.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a safety obviously you know what it's for.
Speaker 1: But I get your pushback. Well, you know what, when
Speaker 1: you can point to the examples of when it's actually
Speaker 1: work to stop somebody from taking down a plane, then
Speaker 1: you'll have an argument. But they're there army, so you know,
Speaker 1: to discussion right now. So the same discussion right now
Speaker 1: about coronavirus. There's I've heard a rumor that apparently they
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true. It's just
Speaker 1: I'm listening to all kinds of different resources on this.
Speaker 1: So I've heard a rumor that they figure everybody is
Speaker 1: going to get this by the end of the year
Speaker 1: in the US that everyone will have got it, And
Speaker 1: if they announced that now, everyone would just go out
Speaker 1: right now because they're like, well, I'm gonna get it
Speaker 1: at some point, So why why not? Like why would
Speaker 1: I Why don't I open my bar? You know, because
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it. Patrons are going to get it.
Speaker 1: Why not get it now and not lose the flood
Speaker 1: the health care system and then you have real problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then there's also there's also the weight hearing some
Speaker 1: really interesting debates on the weight of the economic cost
Speaker 1: versus the life cost. And everyone will always say that
Speaker 1: they are fully on board for saving as many lives
Speaker 1: as possible. I believe every single human would say that. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's discussions that if we shut down the entire
Speaker 1: cont economy for months more, you know, and the death
Speaker 1: rate is two thousand people, or what if we don't
Speaker 1: shut anything down past April and the death rate is
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty people. People are really having this
Speaker 1: discussion is it worth there's sixty lives difference there. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that's what it was. Would it be worth
Speaker 1: the shutdown? You know? Because how many you haven't factored
Speaker 1: in suicides or um like if if businesses go under,
Speaker 1: if people lose their homes, um their life savings. You're
Speaker 1: looking at suicide, drug youth, Um you have more casualties. Well,
Speaker 1: does it even out over the course of a year.
Speaker 1: There's some real interesting discussions. And none of this is
Speaker 1: meant to be unsympathetic or uncompassionate or unempathic. They're just
Speaker 1: looking at real world possibilities to try iran guide this
Speaker 1: thing forward in a in a state of complete uncertainty. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just fascinating to learn, to listen and to learn
Speaker 1: it really is just fascinating to hear some of the
Speaker 1: best minds deal with a black swan event that we've
Speaker 1: never experienced in our lifetime. But you know what, but
Speaker 1: look at all the look at all the numbers, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the types of numbers you have,
Speaker 1: the types of deaths you have from the flue season,
Speaker 1: the types of deaths you have from car accidents per day.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, are we gonna pull We're gonna
Speaker 1: stop all traffic? You're gonna stop all traffic because the
Speaker 1: amount of deaths every day in the United States. No,
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not because they would create an economic
Speaker 1: melt down, one just like the one that's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Um so so yeah, I do understand the concept of
Speaker 1: being socially conscious and wanting to save lives. My worry
Speaker 1: is at it it's not going to work, and we're
Speaker 1: going to end up with You're gonna end up with
Speaker 1: many cases of people who um, and let me point
Speaker 1: this out, by the way, just prior to this becoming
Speaker 1: a much bigger thing, we had the tornado here in
Speaker 1: Nashville about a mile from my house, you know, and
Speaker 1: there's people who lost their home then lost their job
Speaker 1: because of this economic meltdom. Yeah, and they're gonna end
Speaker 1: up losing family members anyway from the virus. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna be people with no jobs, no house, and no
Speaker 1: family member of some kind. You know. We're trying to
Speaker 1: stop it. I understand we're taking an approach, but my
Speaker 1: fear is ultimately that basically every time to go him,
Speaker 1: it gets in the ball to do something, even when
Speaker 1: it's with good intentions, it's set a bad precedent and
Speaker 1: creates more harm and good. Ah, that's it's such an
Speaker 1: interesting debate, man, It just is. It's just such a
Speaker 1: I love looking at both sides of it. I love
Speaker 1: looking at actually two sides of this. Definitely two sides
Speaker 1: to this, there really are. And I think that we're
Speaker 1: both understanding that that there is obviously a threat. The
Speaker 1: virus is definitely a threat. You know, my father is
Speaker 1: at risk for this, you know, Um, obviously we're all
Speaker 1: at risk for this, but his, his, he statistically runs
Speaker 1: a much greater risk if he if you get this
Speaker 1: um of not surviving it or impassing to him much
Speaker 1: more severely. Um. So unfortunately, you know it hasn't happened yet, um,
Speaker 1: thank god. But um, but you know, he and I
Speaker 1: discussed this, you know, he and I discussed this because
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody who you know, he's got sons
Speaker 1: who were in businesses, right, and you know anxiety or
Speaker 1: shress can bring on another stroke for him, yeah, or seizure.
Speaker 1: You see. So it's creating other factors by making the
Speaker 1: economy suffer see treating medical factors for people with other
Speaker 1: medical conditions. When the economy uh comes to a screeching pault,
Speaker 1: they're they're having debates about like is it what is
Speaker 1: the blowback? You know, what is the collateral damage? If
Speaker 1: we open it back up? Or what is the collateral
Speaker 1: damage if we keep the economy closed, like waging the
Speaker 1: flateral damage versus the lives lost due to the virus. Um.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating discussion. Nobody's right on it, nobody has
Speaker 1: the crystal ball on it. Um. I agree, I agree
Speaker 1: in minds working hard on it, I'm sure. Um, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna agree. What What are the what are the
Speaker 1: banks supposed to do? I mean, what are the banks
Speaker 1: supposed to do? What are the property owners supposed to do?
Speaker 1: What are the h O ways supposed to do? You know?
Speaker 1: Can they go around collecting their fees if there's nobody
Speaker 1: working in the buildings to you know, provide maintenance anymore?
Speaker 1: Do they still get their fees? Uh? Do they? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Uh? You know, can the banks
Speaker 1: go and collect if there's no if if the engine
Speaker 1: has come to a halt, can they still say you
Speaker 1: owe this, you owe that? You know what? As I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you talk, it's what's really become an apparent
Speaker 1: to me is just are how high our level of
Speaker 1: dependency is as human beings, as society? Because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, some of these things go away. Like, let's say,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the virus was so bad that
Speaker 1: people did not want to work at all at grocery stores,
Speaker 1: and food was not shipped to a grocery store. Right now,
Speaker 1: people training because they have to wait to get into
Speaker 1: the store. Or you can only buy x amount of
Speaker 1: an item to two eggs or two things of eggs,
Speaker 1: things of milk, or one thing of toilet paper. Everything
Speaker 1: is rationed right now because everything is everybody is so hectic. Um,
Speaker 1: and there there's a lot of complaints and stuff going
Speaker 1: on about that, but this stuff is still being delivered
Speaker 1: to us. You know. Take away our basic fundamental services
Speaker 1: and there would be ka utter chaos in the world. Um,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. Interestingly, let me let me
Speaker 1: liken it to something I find fascinating. Okay, So, over
Speaker 1: the years, we've lost a ton of manufacturing jobs in
Speaker 1: the United States, in absolute ton of them, right and
Speaker 1: fortunately there are some manufacturers that still exist in the country.
Speaker 1: I remember years ago, but uncle said to me when
Speaker 1: I was griping about a band out for some car company.
Speaker 1: He said, yes, I know the complaints and it's legitimate.
Speaker 1: But he said to me, but God forbid there's a war,
Speaker 1: you're going to need somebody to make the tanks. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, good point. Interestingly, we're not
Speaker 1: building tanks right now for this. We're making masks, we're
Speaker 1: making respirators. So it makes sense why you need manufacturing
Speaker 1: in your own country right now? I liken that to
Speaker 1: manufacturing I'm stretching, but to the manufacturing from your home.
Speaker 1: Why do we need the grocery store because nobody knows
Speaker 1: how to fucking garden anymore, because nobody knows how to
Speaker 1: plant a tomato. All your buddies should tell you how
Speaker 1: educated they are because they have a master's degreeing, am
Speaker 1: I here, how about you plant me a tomato genius?
Speaker 1: Right so so, and then the right so so. Then
Speaker 1: at that point there, what's that? It's just lazy too? Well,
Speaker 1: what the irony is that we've learned all of these
Speaker 1: exceptional skills and we have all these exceptional degrees that
Speaker 1: actually don't provide I had any essential services to ourselves,
Speaker 1: like having your own food. God forbid. They shut the
Speaker 1: grocery store down, God forbids. Yeah, it's people will be
Speaker 1: eating each other in three days on the street, um convenience.
Speaker 1: As I'm thinking about it. Convenience induces a state of
Speaker 1: almost learned helplessness, no doubt about it. Man and we.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a lesson of for a
Speaker 1: lot of us who live in an urban environment or
Speaker 1: a suburban environment. I'm just vulnerable. I need to manufacture,
Speaker 1: I need to grow. I need to be able to exist, survive,
Speaker 1: thrive on my own. If need be completely and have
Speaker 1: these things, these ducks in a row du I've talked
Speaker 1: created completely different reality. I've talked about this for a
Speaker 1: long time in my life. Um, I started hunting when
Speaker 1: I was thirteen. I hunt whitetailed deer back in Canada.
Speaker 1: Grew up fishing, and I've always said I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to hunt and fish because if if
Speaker 1: we ran I always said, if we ran out of oil,
Speaker 1: if the world ran out of oil, things are going
Speaker 1: to come to a screeching halt. And I need to
Speaker 1: be able to provide. So I'm actually up at my
Speaker 1: lake house in Idaho, where you have half acres on
Speaker 1: water front. I can fish. UM can't hunt now, it's
Speaker 1: not the season, but you can if if need be.
Speaker 1: I would hunt in the hills, in the in the
Speaker 1: in the woods back here, and I have water. You know,
Speaker 1: I could burn wood and oil. I could survive. And
Speaker 1: I've always thought about that, and it's a far from
Speaker 1: thought like I always thought about that. It's like it's
Speaker 1: so far fetched. The world's not gonna shut down. It's
Speaker 1: going to continue to operate. My fear was if we
Speaker 1: ran out of oil that it would But I never
Speaker 1: thought of a virus or something like this that would
Speaker 1: come along. But I will say it is nice to
Speaker 1: have skills to be able to provide for yourself. Beat
Speaker 1: the conveniently to a store and buying food is wonderful
Speaker 1: and a gift from God. Um. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for the people that are responsible for getting that food there,
Speaker 1: for allowing myself to um but also to live off
Speaker 1: the land, whether it's gardening, fishing, hunting. UM. I think
Speaker 1: is just an underrated life skill that you know. But
Speaker 1: here's the great irony of it, man. You know, the
Speaker 1: great irony of it is for so many people who
Speaker 1: leave a country environment and go to the city or
Speaker 1: the suburbs or whatever. If you say you grew up
Speaker 1: like that, you were looked at like such a hillbilly.
Speaker 1: You were looked at socially in those city environments by
Speaker 1: so many of those types of people, like you are
Speaker 1: so far beneath them because you would take a life. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, I actually I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying when I tell people in Manhattan that
Speaker 1: I was from upstate New York. And yeah, of course
Speaker 1: we went hunting when we're you know where we're growing up. Oh, oh, dude,
Speaker 1: when I was when I was thirteen. Like, hunting is
Speaker 1: a very spiritual thing for me. Um, Hunting isn't about
Speaker 1: going and killing. I've never hunted for sport. The only
Speaker 1: reason I would ever hunt is to eat the meat
Speaker 1: of whatever I was going to hunt. And I remember
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen when I first killed a white
Speaker 1: tailed deer, and our family, my dad and I and
Speaker 1: my brother made deer sausage for our family. Um. I
Speaker 1: prayed every single night for a week, thanking that animal
Speaker 1: for giving its life to be able to provide for
Speaker 1: our family. It is, well, you know what, and you
Speaker 1: know what, all all those things that you did, you
Speaker 1: wereciating it and and and you know, fishing, these really
Speaker 1: are the fundamentals, the fundamentals of of surviving, of surviving,
Speaker 1: UM and people just they don't do it, or they
Speaker 1: never did it, or they look down to look down
Speaker 1: on it. I think some Yeah, like I was fortunate
Speaker 1: to have my dad taught me to fish, to fill
Speaker 1: it fish, to be able to catch a fish and
Speaker 1: be able to put it, like to fill it it,
Speaker 1: to put it on a hand, to be able to
Speaker 1: cook it. Um. Anyway, we could go to this all day,
Speaker 1: but let's get one of our How Men Think podcast
Speaker 1: team members has had coronavirus. Remember Hanna who worked for
Speaker 1: us before she went back to school. She was in
Speaker 1: turn worked with us UM. She was traveling abroad in Spain,
Speaker 1: studying abroad in Spain, and ended up getting coronavirus. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Hanna on right after this break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hear her story back from break on another coronavirus
Speaker 1: edition of Hell Men Think. I hate not seeing your
Speaker 1: face gave. I hate not seeing Rick Dmitri, Ryan Easton,
Speaker 1: our engineer, he Tory Danielle. I like, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things about doing this podcast, probably my favorite thing,
Speaker 1: UM is seeing the people that we do it with,
Speaker 1: and any other favorite is being able to serve our listeners,
Speaker 1: our community. But I miss seeing everybody's face and back
Speaker 1: with us. We have Hannah, Hannah, how are you hey?
Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you? I miss everyone? One yeah, one,
Speaker 1: we miss you. Um. You were part of the initial
Speaker 1: how Men Think team until you went back to school. Um,
Speaker 1: but I want to send my heart out to Johanna.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? Um? Can you share your story
Speaker 1: with coronavirus and how it's affected you. Yes, I'm doing
Speaker 1: much much better now, thank goodness. But I came back.
Speaker 1: So I was spending a brown Barcelona, and I came
Speaker 1: back because my school in Spain sent all the kids home,
Speaker 1: and so I came back on March thirte that Friday,
Speaker 1: and like two days previous to leaving Spain, I wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling my best, but I don't think I really took
Speaker 1: it seriously. I kind of just like pushed past. I
Speaker 1: was trying to pack up all my things and just
Speaker 1: get out of there as quickly as possible. And so
Speaker 1: then a couple of days later, Monday, UM, after I
Speaker 1: got back, I got tested and for four days around
Speaker 1: that time was like my worst. I was like in bed,
Speaker 1: couldn't really move, I had troubled breathing, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have that high of a fever. It's a slight fever.
Speaker 1: It was just like this terrible chest pain. And I
Speaker 1: got my results back a week later and tested positive
Speaker 1: and have had to just really lay low and quarantine,
Speaker 1: and so has my family because they have all been
Speaker 1: exposed to me as well. So it's been an ordeal.
Speaker 1: Oh my heart goes out to you. I'm glad you know. Um,
Speaker 1: so you are currently at home at your mom and
Speaker 1: dad's place or where are you at now, Hannah? Yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: So I flew back into San Francisco and now I'm
Speaker 1: just at my parents house with my sister and we've
Speaker 1: all been just quarantining together or no nobody no. So
Speaker 1: they have been completely asymptomatic, have been feeling a hundred
Speaker 1: percent and they kind of like wish that they could
Speaker 1: get tested just because they were around me and exposed
Speaker 1: to me, but they can't get test it because they
Speaker 1: have absolutely no symptoms, so they kind of just have
Speaker 1: to assume that they had it and take the extra
Speaker 1: take like extra precaution and just not see anyone, not
Speaker 1: leave the house. And they've been just stuck in the
Speaker 1: house waiting for an additional two weeks to be safe
Speaker 1: Hannah do Um, do you have any recollection or idea
Speaker 1: possibly of how you might have got coronavirus? Remember a
Speaker 1: person coughing or I think that. I mean, I definitely
Speaker 1: got it when I was in Spain, for sure, um,
Speaker 1: and I had this gnarly, gnarly cough or probably like
Speaker 1: two weeks before coming home, and I remember my parents
Speaker 1: came and they m they met me in Paris for
Speaker 1: the weekend, and I texted my mom before meeting them,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know if I can come,
Speaker 1: I'm so sick. And I think that around that time
Speaker 1: is when I was getting it, because everyone I was
Speaker 1: with had this gnarly cough and everyone just was not
Speaker 1: feeling their best. And when I heard about this, I
Speaker 1: think of, like, how many people we're sick that maybe
Speaker 1: didn't get tested but passed passed through coronavirus. But like,
Speaker 1: I wonder what the true stats are, Like I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think these stats are people that that have
Speaker 1: tested positive or even a fraction of the amount of
Speaker 1: people that have had it. No, I completely agree. I
Speaker 1: completely agree. I think that everyone I was with in Spain,
Speaker 1: there's no way that like of us, like don't have it,
Speaker 1: Like I think, so many people have it and because
Speaker 1: they're asymptomatic, they don't even know they have it, but
Speaker 1: their carriers and then they passed it along to so
Speaker 1: many people. That's so scary. Yeah, what has been the
Speaker 1: scariest part for you about having coronavirus UM? I just worry.
Speaker 1: I worry about getting it to my parents, and like
Speaker 1: it was worrying me because when I came home, even
Speaker 1: before I got tested and before I got my test
Speaker 1: results back, I was exposed to my mom and she
Speaker 1: went grocery shopping with her grandparents, And so that's what
Speaker 1: gave me so much anxiety. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: if I had somehow given it to my mom and
Speaker 1: my mom gave it to my grandparents, that is what
Speaker 1: scared me. Um. And when I was sick, the only
Speaker 1: thing that really was worrying me was like my chest pain.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have I didn't have it that bad.
Speaker 1: I feel actually really lucky that I didn't have a
Speaker 1: super bad fever or get super bad symptoms. Yeah. Oh man,
Speaker 1: my heart goes out to you. Thank you. I know
Speaker 1: it's such a food time right now, but I feel
Speaker 1: lucky that it wasn't that bad. So Hannah, thinking on big, big,
Speaker 1: big picture, what is your biggest worry about this virus?
Speaker 1: Now outside of your side of your family are you
Speaker 1: Are you more worried that the virus is going to spread,
Speaker 1: or you more worried about the effects on the economy,
Speaker 1: or if you were to choose a version of things
Speaker 1: you need to think you should watch out for. We
Speaker 1: all need to watch out. Well, what do you think
Speaker 1: is your biggest worry? Um? Well, I would just say
Speaker 1: something that worries me as I see like on social
Speaker 1: media also a lot of people like maybe not taking
Speaker 1: it seriously because they haven't felt direct effects to them
Speaker 1: or they don't know anyone, um. And so that's what
Speaker 1: worries mean, is that some people just seriously aren't taking
Speaker 1: it seriously at all. Um. Right, And it does worry
Speaker 1: me too, especially being a college student and I mean
Speaker 1: graduating from college in one year. It does worry me
Speaker 1: about jobs and also with a lot of my friends,
Speaker 1: like a lot of their internships for the summers have
Speaker 1: fallen through and now they are left with no job,
Speaker 1: and they've been trying to reach out to people and
Speaker 1: get something else. But everyone is just so uncertain right now,
Speaker 1: So I think it's scaring a lot of people, which
Speaker 1: also scares scares me at the same time. Economic times, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can always will always welcome you back to the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I know it's I mean, I feel lucky
Speaker 1: also that I mean, of course amy in everything. But
Speaker 1: it's just like an uncertain time to like knowing that
Speaker 1: I'm going to graduate college in a year and things
Speaker 1: are looking great with the economy. It's unsettling, of course.
Speaker 1: Very yah um. Yeah, I think and what you said
Speaker 1: they're about I have the fear of that too. Of
Speaker 1: the people. People aren't taking this seriously. You know, when
Speaker 1: I go up with what I The other day, I
Speaker 1: was at I went to Costco to get some toilet
Speaker 1: paper because I have too even year old neighbors that
Speaker 1: I'm looking after this time because the wife has some
Speaker 1: underlying health issues. And so whenever I go out, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm going gloves and I'm going masks and a hood
Speaker 1: over my head. Um, and I'm at Costco and I'm
Speaker 1: I was one of the only ones. There wasn't very
Speaker 1: many people with masks or gloves on, and people were
Speaker 1: looking at me like I was like, jeezus, one guy
Speaker 1: walked by it goes the world is sure changed, and
Speaker 1: I should have said something to him, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't um, It wasn't the point of me getting
Speaker 1: into it with him. But like, the reason I do
Speaker 1: that is because I'm buying toilet paper for somebody that
Speaker 1: has underlying health conditions. I come home, I rub it
Speaker 1: down um with some cleaning wipes, and then I let
Speaker 1: it sit here for five days before I drop it
Speaker 1: on their doorstep. So it's not I don't like when
Speaker 1: people don't take it seriously because maybe they're not worried,
Speaker 1: but they don't know what other people have, if they're
Speaker 1: looking after a parent, grandparents, if they have kids. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's my biggest fear with this too, is that people
Speaker 1: don't take it seriously because they don't think it applies
Speaker 1: to them, but their actions apply everybody, correct exactly. That's
Speaker 1: such a good point. That's such a good point. It's
Speaker 1: like people don't realize that their actions could be affecting
Speaker 1: other people. Just because it doesn't affect them directly doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that they aren't mean putting other people in danger.
Speaker 1: You know what else meant? He's the other thing I
Speaker 1: was I was thinking about. That was really you know,
Speaker 1: the saddest thing about all of this the idea that
Speaker 1: if someone does become terminally ill from this, their family
Speaker 1: members can't go visit them while they're on their way out.
Speaker 1: They can't just go to the hospital and be bedside.
Speaker 1: They can't tell they love them the same way. They
Speaker 1: can't make that contact, you know, so asential they're just
Speaker 1: they're dying with strangers. Yeah, there's stories on the new
Speaker 1: boat nurses comforting. The saddest thing that is the saddest
Speaker 1: part about Yeah, well, Hannah, thanks for joining us. Can't
Speaker 1: wait to see your face again soon. Glad you're doing well.
Speaker 1: Best wishes to you and your family and we miss you, girl,
Speaker 1: but glad you're doing better. Of course, to care from
Speaker 1: you guys and stay safe and help for you to
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Okay, this is gonna be fun because
Speaker 1: Ryan is a nervous wreck at the best of times.
Speaker 1: The world could be operating in the best case scenario
Speaker 1: and Ryan would be nervous anyway. So I'm excited to
Speaker 1: hear how Ryan is doing at this time. So Eastern
Speaker 1: can we get Ryan on. I am here, Bryan, I
Speaker 1: am here. It's good to hear your voice again, man.
Speaker 1: I wi I could say the same for your voice crying.
Speaker 1: What's your what's your stress level and anxiety level? I
Speaker 1: am losing my absolute mind, are you. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what. I'll tell you what. I take some solace
Speaker 1: in during these dark times. And that is months ago.
Speaker 1: You told the doctor that we had on that you
Speaker 1: eat so clean and because of your clean diet, you
Speaker 1: are so so regular and you take six or seven
Speaker 1: poops a day. Now, I as as we go through
Speaker 1: this toilet paper shortage, I think to myself, you know
Speaker 1: who's screwed. I guess that backfire. Now, how are you
Speaker 1: doing with the toilet Brooks? I was literally just talking
Speaker 1: to Hon about I went to Costco the other day
Speaker 1: and I got a thirty roll pack. I am all set, man.
Speaker 1: I got one for my neighbors, my seven year old neighbors.
Speaker 1: I got a thirty roll pack for them. They're all set,
Speaker 1: brought that, no worries at all. So you're the one
Speaker 1: buying up all the toilet paper. Huh, No, you can
Speaker 1: only take one. You can only take They only allow
Speaker 1: you one thing, one package per membership. Yeah, we'll back
Speaker 1: into the third day. So that'll get you, That'll get
Speaker 1: you through the next forty eight hours. But what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do from there? In this in this black
Speaker 1: swan event that is your biggest, uh biggest, that's consuming
Speaker 1: your thought the motion. I appreciate your concern. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the difference between you and me. You went
Speaker 1: and I got toilet paper. I had five handles of
Speaker 1: Tito's delivered to me yesterday. That's where I am in
Speaker 1: life of yes. Yes, are you getting with two kids
Speaker 1: under the age of two at home right now? Uh?
Speaker 1: It is very challenging, It's it is. Uh yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: we're all everybody in this this boat with kids where
Speaker 1: you're trying to work and do all these zooms, which
Speaker 1: is a whole new phenomenon for me. Uh and my
Speaker 1: two and a half year old refused to allow me
Speaker 1: to be in any room of the house to get
Speaker 1: any quote unquote work done whatsoever. So, uh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the new normal. I guess. So you you continue
Speaker 1: to So you guys have found a way to do
Speaker 1: zoom calls over whatever to keep keep working. We have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an interesting little tidbit here because
Speaker 1: that's what I'm good for. I read an article the
Speaker 1: other day the CEO of Walmart said that shirt sales
Speaker 1: are up astronomically on at Walmart, and pants sales are
Speaker 1: down astronomically on Walmart. Nobody's buying pants anymore because in
Speaker 1: the zoom culture, all you need is a waste up.
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty uh pretty interesting, dude. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what you mean, because we did that. Two of my
Speaker 1: best friends were supposed to get married March twenty two
Speaker 1: or March twenty one, whatever it was, and they obviously
Speaker 1: had to postpone their wedding. It was supposed to be
Speaker 1: in Mexico. They had to postpone their wedding. So a
Speaker 1: group of that, I think there was sixteen of us
Speaker 1: different friends, created a zoom uh call we call all
Speaker 1: got on the call and then called them, and so
Speaker 1: there were sixteen different screens of people up and we
Speaker 1: all had on our attire that we were going to
Speaker 1: wear to their wedding that day. And I just had
Speaker 1: shorts on, like a suit and tie on um above
Speaker 1: and I stood up and I just had shorts undneth.
Speaker 1: They just started laughing. So I get it. You dress
Speaker 1: up fancy for then, Yeah, it's business up top and
Speaker 1: party down below. Man. So in your world, what's what's
Speaker 1: a daily like? Walk us through a normal day view
Speaker 1: right now? Ryan, when you ask about my stress and
Speaker 1: anxiety level, Uh, what I've found myself doing is I'm
Speaker 1: consuming so much news, just trying to stay ahead of
Speaker 1: where everything is going with this whole pandemic. And I'll
Speaker 1: lay there in bed and I'll feel a little partickle
Speaker 1: in my throat, for instance, and I'll say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is it, this is the beginning. It's like now
Speaker 1: I'll try to take a deep breath and I'll feel
Speaker 1: like that was Was that a normal breath? It seemed
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter than a normal breath, did it not?
Speaker 1: And now I'm done this whole road of like I'm
Speaker 1: I give myself about two weeks. There's no more ventilators.
Speaker 1: I'm dead, and I can like it's a psycho somatic
Speaker 1: thing where I feel anything slightly abnormal, and I believe
Speaker 1: that this is the first symptom in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the end form it. Absolutely every time the A C
Speaker 1: goes off in my house, I think I have a fever.
Speaker 1: This is this is why I love you, man. I
Speaker 1: know that that's true, and and I support you and
Speaker 1: I want to be here for you. But you are
Speaker 1: also very much a worry word. You You very much are, buddy.
Speaker 1: You like, do you when you ask yourself truthfully, do
Speaker 1: you think you have it? Do you? Um is, does
Speaker 1: your brain go, oh, no, you're just acting crazy Ryan,
Speaker 1: Or do you actually like believe that you have it?
Speaker 1: When this these kinds of events happen, I more often
Speaker 1: than not, recently I'm telling myself I'm crazy, But I'm
Speaker 1: kind of telling myself that to make myself settled down.
Speaker 1: But like, I have colleagues that have been diagnosed with it,
Speaker 1: So then I'm doing the math on how long has
Speaker 1: it been since I was with them? All that stuff?
Speaker 1: But we my my wife and I and our two
Speaker 1: kids legitimately have not left house to go even to
Speaker 1: the grocery store or anything for close to three weeks now.
Speaker 1: We've been able fortunately to get every get just like
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the stuff delivered to us, and
Speaker 1: we had a ton of food anyway, So we've legitimately
Speaker 1: just stayed with one another and not had any contact
Speaker 1: with anybody. Yeah, good question. Have you have you been
Speaker 1: looking at any uh, furniture sites online, redecoration online, being
Speaker 1: out of boredom. Just been like, I'm so done with debt, couch,
Speaker 1: I'm so sick of that dishwasher. I need a new counter.
Speaker 1: Are you guys looking around your home seeing things that
Speaker 1: you want to change? No, I'm more I'm on Amazon,
Speaker 1: like I ordered a new hose earlier today I ordered
Speaker 1: zang close and is just to be proactive. I ordered
Speaker 1: apple cider vinegar capsule, Sperelena cap Are you like everything?
Speaker 1: Are you like me when you go online looking for
Speaker 1: a hose? Are you actually looking at hose or looking
Speaker 1: at something you can use as a gas siphon if
Speaker 1: need be. I guess we're a case of nerd ropes. Okay,
Speaker 1: That's where I am in life. YouTube polar opposites like
Speaker 1: Gav I think is like I think you are super prepared. Um, Ryan,
Speaker 1: You're like you're one end of the spectrum. You're gonna
Speaker 1: order everything, let's pre let's prep for this. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be stocked up, You're gonna be You're gonna spear Lena tablets, everything,
Speaker 1: You're gonna research it, You're gonna and I think the
Speaker 1: other end of the spectrum is gav Who's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything. I'm just gonna I think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stay away from people. I'll be okay. I
Speaker 1: think you guys are And also I think gave confined.
Speaker 1: Are you're finding any enjoyment at all in like this
Speaker 1: kind of time? Ryan, is there something that that in
Speaker 1: your life that's actually been more enjoyable that's different from
Speaker 1: the day to day grind that we usually have, like
Speaker 1: maybe spending more time, uh, you know, And I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm very lucky to have my dad who look
Speaker 1: after and and I am more appreciative probably now then
Speaker 1: I've ever been that I know how to play an
Speaker 1: instrument because when you're board, um, it's a great way
Speaker 1: to burn some time, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: get creative. Um. So it's it's it's nice to be
Speaker 1: able to find find a little diversions, uh, and that
Speaker 1: type of thing. And I've also, you know, really grown
Speaker 1: to appreciate much more even the having good neighbors. You know,
Speaker 1: like a good neighbor, it goes a long way. Right now,
Speaker 1: what about you, Ryan, So we'll get Devin. Have you
Speaker 1: thought of any new renditions of the national anthem during
Speaker 1: this time or no, yes, I have this one. I
Speaker 1: start this one based down on the ice, so I
Speaker 1: can only go up from there. Um uh Brooks. To
Speaker 1: answer your question, the answer, the answer is yes, like tearfully.
Speaker 1: I've been taking my two and a half year old son,
Speaker 1: like from seven thirty till nine thirty, just the two
Speaker 1: of us pretty much every morning, and we'll go out
Speaker 1: into the front yard and like play baseball, soccer, like
Speaker 1: ride the ride his scooter, all that stuff, which uh,
Speaker 1: in a normal work week we just don't have the
Speaker 1: time to do. So I think that has brought brought
Speaker 1: us a lot closer together. I will say I think
Speaker 1: of the two of you a lot, uh not in
Speaker 1: a good way, which is like I did not have kids,
Speaker 1: if you if you don't have kids. During this whole thing,
Speaker 1: like my wife and I were talking about, it was
Speaker 1: like this would be a dream in many ways, like
Speaker 1: we you don't really have to socialize with people. You
Speaker 1: can just stay at home, watch Netflix, hang out, eat
Speaker 1: food like go to sleep, like just chill. There's no
Speaker 1: commitments that you have to do outside of the house.
Speaker 1: It's a dream, but you guys are living there. I
Speaker 1: got to the end of Netflix already Ryan, and then
Speaker 1: the last box says, your life sucks, it's not a movie. Um, well, Ryan,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you jumping on, brother, and um, I don't
Speaker 1: know when was the last time we've seen you in studio.
Speaker 1: It's been like six months many Honestly, Ryan takes the
Speaker 1: time coming back. Really, I'm gonna talk, are you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get I'm gonna give you a quick quickly
Speaker 1: little nuggets to leave on, which is somewhat genuine. There
Speaker 1: was a an analogy I heard the other day that
Speaker 1: I thought was pretty astute, which was comparing this to
Speaker 1: nine eleven and basically saying that, you know, like after
Speaker 1: not eleven, the entire nation came together and we as
Speaker 1: a community and as states all kind of keeled together
Speaker 1: through this. And you did that out in the public
Speaker 1: and restaurants and bars and and through talking to people
Speaker 1: outside of your own home, be like just hanging out.
Speaker 1: And this is completely isolating. Obviously, we don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to like be in front of other people in
Speaker 1: bars and restaurants, are anywhere for that matter. So it's
Speaker 1: right driving me slightly insane as a result just being
Speaker 1: cooped up and going a little bit stire crazy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I totally understand you know what
Speaker 1: I've been doing. Um, I don't know if you ride,
Speaker 1: but I I keep motorbikes and um just getting out
Speaker 1: of the house and getting on the road with the
Speaker 1: bike and leaving the area. Don't have to talk to anybody,
Speaker 1: You get to kind of just go off, you know,
Speaker 1: and see she's a new you know, apocalyptic version of
Speaker 1: the United States. On a bike is actually a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty good way to find a little headroom bike. Great, yeah, Ryan,
Speaker 1: quick questions. Talk to you guys. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you too. How many times a day do you call
Speaker 1: your doctor? Uh? Yeah, it's a little bit of a problem.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a pandemic coming when I was blacklisted
Speaker 1: by the entire medical community. So I'm on my own here.
Speaker 1: I'm really on my own. You just on web MD
Speaker 1: all day long, just like buddy. That's that is. It's
Speaker 1: a tough year, in a tough spot. That that stunt
Speaker 1: you pulled a couple of years ago put you in
Speaker 1: a tough spot for this event. Yeah, buddy, your face,
Speaker 1: your wife and your kids are well, stay stay well,
Speaker 1: my man. Um, thanks for jumping on with us and
Speaker 1: we'll see you soon. Buddy. Good right Brooks. Brooks keep
Speaker 1: posting all those videos of your dog. I can't get
Speaker 1: enough of them. Really today it was awesome. We were
Speaker 1: just gone. I find to see another instant story of
Speaker 1: like fifty seven thumbnails of Coda eating a skull again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose it. Goodbye. I love you, Throw me
Speaker 1: all you want, Buddy. There see Bunny. I love Brian.
Speaker 1: He's so good. He is he he makes me laugh,
Speaker 1: gaf you make me laugh. Dry It's amazing. What's that?
Speaker 1: He's so dry? It's amazing. Oh I know, and just
Speaker 1: his uh that story he told before about when he
Speaker 1: got what he did with the medical community and now
Speaker 1: how it's just backfiring. Oh yeah, Eastern Eastern. Next, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get on our brother Dmitri, who has four kids
Speaker 1: at home. He imagine having four kids, wife and four
Speaker 1: kids and being quarantined to your own home. Utrio, what's up, fellas?
Speaker 1: How are you? We're live man? How are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm thrilled to get on this
Speaker 1: call because this way I could tell the kids not
Speaker 1: to bother me for a few minutes. How are you doing, buddy.
Speaker 1: You have four kids. What are the age of your kids? Again? Ten, eight, six,
Speaker 1: and three. Although my son, my son's turned in seven
Speaker 1: this week, so we're gonna have one of those quarantine
Speaker 1: birthday parties. Okay, man, give us the truth. Brother. How
Speaker 1: are you holding up? I hope everybody first, I hope
Speaker 1: everybody is healthy and safe. But how are you holding up?
Speaker 1: What's what's life like around your guys home right now? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know it comes in Vaine. It's uh sometimes just
Speaker 1: I mean I'll say this, let me start. Everyone and
Speaker 1: everyone is healthy, so that's good. I'm prappy for that,
Speaker 1: and we're doing what we need to do. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know, it gets chaotic. It gets chaotic in here
Speaker 1: and um there are times, you know, you get through
Speaker 1: the day and then get to that point. I feel
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about drinking and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I definitely, uh, definitely have some drinks at
Speaker 1: night that are needed. Um. The kids are hanging in there,
Speaker 1: many they're doing well. I think it's uh. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's tough. I think it's tough. Did they
Speaker 1: understand I'll say this, it's funny because I watch a
Speaker 1: lot of news and stuff like that, and I don't
Speaker 1: side it on them, and so I answer questions for him,
Speaker 1: So I think they know what's going on. UM, But
Speaker 1: I talked to him, and I feel like that kind
Speaker 1: of helps because they're not just hearing things and they're
Speaker 1: like kind of process it on their own. Yeah. So, UM,
Speaker 1: it's tough, though it's tough that I mean obviously the
Speaker 1: younger one, a three year old, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: tell her much about anything, so she just thinks we're
Speaker 1: all home. So right, what's been one part of of
Speaker 1: the social distancing, self quarantining UM aspect that you've really
Speaker 1: found enjoyable something that you wouldn't have otherwise done in
Speaker 1: the standard ordinary day to day life, working, going to where,
Speaker 1: coming home. What's something that's maybe you've done personally or
Speaker 1: more family time, or something that that's been a blessing
Speaker 1: in this time for you. I'll say this life. And
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this in the past, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I was being stretched into a bunch of
Speaker 1: different directions. So I've actually had the chance to kind
Speaker 1: of slow down. We're not I'm not racing the school,
Speaker 1: I'm not racing a soccer practice, and we're home and
Speaker 1: we're spending time when we're playing games, So life itself
Speaker 1: has been forced to slow down. So I'm appreciative of
Speaker 1: that because, um, even though i may not be sleeping,
Speaker 1: we're you know, I'm getting I'm getting quality time with
Speaker 1: the family and when I'm not running here and there
Speaker 1: and just trying to make it to all these different things.
Speaker 1: So so that's that's been a blessing. Um, I get
Speaker 1: invited to more parties, you know, more FaceTime parties that
Speaker 1: I do regular parties. So that's co col. What's been
Speaker 1: the hardnest part for you guys, Dmitri, What's that? What's
Speaker 1: been the hardest part something that's been really difficult for
Speaker 1: you guys during this time? Maybe just like kids to
Speaker 1: my kids or yeah, I mean I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's exactly that I think you got. I have
Speaker 1: to keep things in perspective, like things that would annoy me.
Speaker 1: I get questions from the kids NonStop, just questions that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to ask. I don't have to ask all.
Speaker 1: I like, if we get through this phone call, that
Speaker 1: someone walking in here asking me. But I was trying.
Speaker 1: I just try and keep in mind this that they're
Speaker 1: probably asking questions because obviously they're bored and they're there
Speaker 1: and they just want to interact. So the hardest part
Speaker 1: for me has been I'm not wanting to really lose
Speaker 1: my temper, you know, but to not be like guys
Speaker 1: wing alone or strut up or right. I was talking
Speaker 1: to another friend of mine who has two kids, and
Speaker 1: she said, um, she she loves physical contact with because
Speaker 1: I am dying for a moment when one kid is
Speaker 1: not crawling on me. She was all times, and I'm
Speaker 1: over and this is like two weeks ago. Even I
Speaker 1: don't I don't sleep well, I don't take naps. I
Speaker 1: fell asleep on the living room Florida the other day.
Speaker 1: It's taken a nap and one of my daughters just
Speaker 1: walked over and gave me a hard well, woke me up.
Speaker 1: Normally that's fantastic, but I was like, holy crap. So
Speaker 1: one time I fell asleep, you had to give me
Speaker 1: a huge twenty three hours a day on the rate
Speaker 1: do that. How's the homeschooling going. It's good, it's good.
Speaker 1: There are I set up some computers in the dining room.
Speaker 1: It looks like a like a tell us on um,
Speaker 1: but there are stay right now for two weeks, which
Speaker 1: you think would be good, but now we've got extra
Speaker 1: hours in a day to figure out what to do.
Speaker 1: So that's been something um I built. They asked me
Speaker 1: to build a port in the in the playroom, so
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm the build you this
Speaker 1: epic court. I'm like, I'm gonna hang blankets and the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then of course I realized I can
Speaker 1: only use what I had, so I got a little short.
Speaker 1: I got short of supply, so I text my body
Speaker 1: around the corner and I said, hey, do you have
Speaker 1: any rope? And he wrote back to me, this is
Speaker 1: the most terrifying text I've ever gotten. And I don't
Speaker 1: contact time. Oh man, I shouldn't laugh at that, but
Speaker 1: you make me laugh. I think you have to laugh
Speaker 1: at stuff. You have to just last in the world.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think there's I even think about, like dreaming.
Speaker 1: I think about people. I don't want people to think
Speaker 1: that the world has just stopped, and that our dreams
Speaker 1: and everything have just stopped or been put on pause.
Speaker 1: I think it's super important to laugh. I think it's
Speaker 1: super important to sing. Like gav Um, you say you
Speaker 1: have the ability to play an instrument and have an
Speaker 1: outlet still an artistic expression like UM. Also the ability
Speaker 1: to dream like I'm thinking about things that I still
Speaker 1: want to do. I'm not just pausing everything I think, UM.
Speaker 1: Mindset has to continue on and the things that bring
Speaker 1: us joy or maybe as important now as they ever are. UM.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to make light of that. I
Speaker 1: agree with man, No, it's interesting. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been thinking about this too, just
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to stop doing what
Speaker 1: I love to do. I don't want to um ignore
Speaker 1: what's happening UM. And I still want to keep moving
Speaker 1: forward with what I've been doing, like creatively playing music,
Speaker 1: writing songs and things like that. But it's been a
Speaker 1: little weird because I've hit this weird place because of
Speaker 1: what's happened around us now, because of this moment in
Speaker 1: time where I'm wondering, well, is the music I was
Speaker 1: writing for the next records? Is it important enough? Now?
Speaker 1: You know? Are the is that material important enough? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know? Am I writing songs that are socially conscious
Speaker 1: enough for this moment in time or for the moment
Speaker 1: of time that comes after this? You know? And so
Speaker 1: it's starting to sort of play on my mind of
Speaker 1: how is the material I've been working on? Is the
Speaker 1: art I've been creating? Is my messaging important enough? Am
Speaker 1: I capturing enough of this snapshot in time? Or or
Speaker 1: should I be making material that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with this moment in time that just has to do
Speaker 1: with encouraging people for what comes after this? Um So
Speaker 1: it's really been interesting from a creative standpoint as a
Speaker 1: as a writer, a songwriter, of you know, am I
Speaker 1: doing enough? Is what I have done? Is it uh
Speaker 1: meaningful enough for this uh new version of potentially of
Speaker 1: of outlook that people are going to have having gone
Speaker 1: through absolutely odd uh time? Well, whatever you do, Gav,
Speaker 1: don't remove the duet that we have no man, not
Speaker 1: a chance. You're kidding me. It's called slapshot. You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you both said that, because I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's because things are so crazy here or see.
Speaker 1: I'm from New York, so I watched the news a lot,
Speaker 1: and I see what's going on there, and I have
Speaker 1: friends and family there, so I get here a lot,
Speaker 1: and then with all the kids here, I think I
Speaker 1: live more in the minute to minute. I try and
Speaker 1: make things good and have fun and and I'll jump
Speaker 1: on in the evening and maybe FaceTime with a buddy
Speaker 1: and have a drink or something. But I'm doing the
Speaker 1: opposite of what I think, Brooks. Is what you're saying,
Speaker 1: is it. I'm kind of living in the moment and
Speaker 1: not able to you know, think. Obviously, I think about
Speaker 1: the future, and I know that that's coming at it,
Speaker 1: but I live more minutes a minute. I think, and like,
Speaker 1: make this a minute good, make them and and kind
Speaker 1: of get through that. And I know other people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing out by garage and I'm doing with this
Speaker 1: and I'm doing and it's like I struggle a little
Speaker 1: bit um creatively and motivationally to do stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because I'm just trying to get you know, I got
Speaker 1: a lot going on every minute of the day. So
Speaker 1: I think I'm just living minutes a minute. So that's
Speaker 1: the interesting thought to think about. Um. I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying, buddy. I've I've put some I don't have
Speaker 1: four kids, Um have a dog that consumes a little
Speaker 1: bit of time, but don't have four kids that I
Speaker 1: need to give to every day. Um. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I've done. Focusing on during this time is pride
Speaker 1: of work in anything I do. Um, because because some
Speaker 1: things you can skip over, because in the course of
Speaker 1: a day, you're busy and you want to get this
Speaker 1: and do that, like you know, months ago when when
Speaker 1: the world was normal. But even something as simple as
Speaker 1: like making the bad like, I'll take extra time and
Speaker 1: as you said, be more present just to like really
Speaker 1: make them funny. Just you know what. I totally get it.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. You're just looking for something to
Speaker 1: be good at a task, something to take your mind
Speaker 1: off of anything else. And just what a time. It's
Speaker 1: just so crazy everything, every single thing. The other day,
Speaker 1: I actually, uh, I contemplated cooking and egg How long
Speaker 1: the contemplation. It took a few hours, I thought, And
Speaker 1: then I decided just to uh, put water in a
Speaker 1: bowl and throw a snack bar in and heat it
Speaker 1: up in the microwave because I hate to cook. Eggs
Speaker 1: are a hot commodity. For a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: they said, they said for holding everybody to a dozen.
Speaker 1: At one dozen eggs, I said, I can put people
Speaker 1: in my house. That's one breakfast. Um, when this whole
Speaker 1: thing blows over, tell me. If you're open for an experiment,
Speaker 1: we come and we put Gavi in your house and
Speaker 1: Gavin does your daily duties as a fog for one day.
Speaker 1: I'll have your kids smoking cigars and cursing at you,
Speaker 1: but you compet. I'm open to the experiment. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that you walk in the house like, oh, Dad,
Speaker 1: pull up a chair. I would I would pay good
Speaker 1: money to watch that gav Afid, Buddy, you'd be fantastic.
Speaker 1: I don't have to write a song, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on with us, buddy. I miss your face.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be able to do this in studio again soon. Um.
Speaker 1: Best to you and your family, buddy. I know you're
Speaker 1: taking care of them, but I hope everybody stays healthy
Speaker 1: and stay safe. Thanks man. I'd like to say one
Speaker 1: more thing. But I was young, I used to go
Speaker 1: to the zoo and I used to look at the
Speaker 1: animals and I was like, what are they doing? Why
Speaker 1: are they laying around? Get up and do something? Man.
Speaker 1: I respect it, how I get it. Someone was looking
Speaker 1: at my house now and they were like, get up
Speaker 1: or do something. I feel like, oh, I don't wait.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the zoo and animals. You had to have
Speaker 1: watched Tiger King already. Have you watched it? I have,
Speaker 1: and you know what I heard? It was so good.
Speaker 1: I think it is a quarantine good. If I wasn't
Speaker 1: quarantining about that, I'd be like, oh, man, I don't
Speaker 1: think TV has ever seen a character ever like Joe exotic. Um. Okay, buddy,
Speaker 1: appreciate you jumping on. Thanks man. We'll talk soon. All right,
Speaker 1: we go one more, one more member of the how
Speaker 1: Men Think crew. We're gonna touch base with my man Rick. Rick.
Speaker 1: Where are you? I am at home? Of course? How
Speaker 1: are you guys? Doing good? Buddy, good man? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Hanging in there. Yeah, we're all
Speaker 1: hanging in there because you're good. You're hanging in there,
Speaker 1: or you're dying and you're hanging in there. It's what
Speaker 1: I mean writing. I'm like, what what are the best
Speaker 1: and the worst hours of the day? The best hours
Speaker 1: of the day for me during this shelter and play
Speaker 1: In the morning, I wake up, I am got the
Speaker 1: coffee going, I'm out with the dog and my daughter
Speaker 1: on a nice like a mile or two walk in
Speaker 1: the mornings like seven thirty eight o'clock and just really
Speaker 1: kind of spawning time with her, which is awesome. So um,
Speaker 1: those are my favorite time. My worst least favorite times
Speaker 1: are like mid day, you know, like now two to four,
Speaker 1: I was like, who somebody wants to talk to? Somebody
Speaker 1: wants to talk to Yeah cool, okay, Like I love it.
Speaker 1: I have friends still wow, But like those kind of
Speaker 1: you're also kind of downtime where you know, you feel
Speaker 1: like you want to take a nap, but you feel
Speaker 1: like you should be exercising or doing something. When you
Speaker 1: know an actuality, it's you can be doing both, you know,
Speaker 1: so very very interesting time. Yeah, I feel like get
Speaker 1: the virus then get made the boredom will Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: It's so true. Um, Like, you know, we try, my
Speaker 1: wife and I try to set up like these rules
Speaker 1: not rules, but like okay, let's clean the house today,
Speaker 1: or let's clean the kitchen. And I'm like, well, let's
Speaker 1: instead of trying to commit to like a whole day
Speaker 1: of one entire process like the cleaning of the house,
Speaker 1: let's break it up that way. It's like it's not
Speaker 1: so much of a job on us, or or it's
Speaker 1: it's just easier to kind of you know, oh I
Speaker 1: just did two bathrooms or hey, I'm doing the kitchen today. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Then it's like it just makes it more manageable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's the home school and going? How are the kids doing? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know Brooks like, I feel very fortunate in all
Speaker 1: of this right now, Like the kids are at a
Speaker 1: perfect age their thirteen and eleven. Um, they're the homeschooling
Speaker 1: side of it's it's been pretty tricky. Um, the teachers
Speaker 1: in the school district, you're putting out you know, videos,
Speaker 1: they have video tap meetings, they have Google hangout meetings. Um,
Speaker 1: they're really involved in a lot of it. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, it's like they're you know, if they
Speaker 1: do all their stuff for all their meetings or their
Speaker 1: homework or or reading, they're done by you know, one
Speaker 1: one o'clock one thirty, right, So then it's okay, now
Speaker 1: what do I do? And that's why I feel fortunate.
Speaker 1: Our kids are at the age where they can kind
Speaker 1: of go on their own, Like my sundle go out
Speaker 1: and he'll ride his bike around for an hour, come back,
Speaker 1: play video games. You know, they're they can sort of
Speaker 1: quarantine themselves within our quarantined home, which is really nice. UM.
Speaker 1: The homeschooling, it's been kind of tricky too because like
Speaker 1: last Friday, I think it was UM like there's sort
Speaker 1: of website thing like all shut down, like it broke
Speaker 1: or something, you know, there was a glitch or something,
Speaker 1: and so really there was no way to check on
Speaker 1: the on the homework assignment. So it's it's been tricky.
Speaker 1: But I do have to give credit to the district.
Speaker 1: They're working their tails off right now, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that and I'm thankful for them. Still so good.
Speaker 1: How about you, what's your daily like are you still
Speaker 1: working to right now? Yeah? Not as much. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at home. Our office or our warehouse UM
Speaker 1: is operating like we have a small crew kind of
Speaker 1: going in and out. We have like a we're like
Speaker 1: an industrial warehouse section where we do like dismantling computers
Speaker 1: and stuff. So we have a small crew going in
Speaker 1: out and if there's pickups. But I work with main
Speaker 1: mainly the tech companies, and so they're all working from
Speaker 1: home and so there's really not a lot going on UM.
Speaker 1: To be honest, we had a couple of pickups and
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of interactions and meetings and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But other than that, it's it's been pretty slow, dude.
Speaker 1: It's it's just tough, you know, so um but you know,
Speaker 1: and my wife works as well, she's in real estate,
Speaker 1: and that's that's actually still going. But I think I
Speaker 1: got to see a drop here in the next month
Speaker 1: or two, so we'll see. Yeah. But yeah, right, well,
Speaker 1: we miss you, buddy, We miss your face and you guys.
Speaker 1: I miss you guys, man. I miss sitting around like
Speaker 1: that's the one thing, you know, I was I was
Speaker 1: been thinking about during this whole quarantine. It's just I'm
Speaker 1: so thankful for so much like you, you kind of
Speaker 1: take for granted what you do on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: whether it's driving to the store, driving to the restaurant,
Speaker 1: you know, going to a bar with your buddies. You're
Speaker 1: just all that sort of social interactions. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you lose a lot of that stuff on the on
Speaker 1: the flip side though, So you know, I'm thankful that
Speaker 1: i'd actually get a lot with my family. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you have a running but like it's been
Speaker 1: quality family time and you know, I don't care. You know,
Speaker 1: you look back on that and I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do this. I don't, don't you know when
Speaker 1: my daughter all the time and go on walks and
Speaker 1: I need to do more of that. And it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, for being locked in with each other, it's
Speaker 1: it's been pretty good. It's been good. So that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good for you man. They did. Now they need to
Speaker 1: find a curious that we can all get out again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a vaccine for twelve to eighteen months,
Speaker 1: like they think it might be up till August next
Speaker 1: year before they find an actual vaccine for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm that's what I'm hearing. It's a you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully they can find you know, some testing ways, which
Speaker 1: I think you're working on obviously, and and you don't
Speaker 1: get the vaccine going you know, who knows. We'll see,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's a wild time. Um yeah, how
Speaker 1: are you getting funny? We're good, We're um. Gaves Rock Roland.
Speaker 1: He's playing country music for everybody in Nashville. He's blasting
Speaker 1: his speakers as loud as he can and entertaining the
Speaker 1: town that I'm playing to the empty streets. It's like
Speaker 1: the start of day, Gavin, you go to the where
Speaker 1: he's there, You're still playing. You know what we're actually doing. Um,
Speaker 1: Gavin and I are really working hard on our duet,
Speaker 1: like we've been faith timing and just perfecting it. Um.
Speaker 1: I've been helping him out with vocals a little bit,
Speaker 1: like getting the more range, the kind of range that
Speaker 1: I have, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, true,
Speaker 1: And I've been showing him how to skate backwards. That's good.
Speaker 1: I'll get it. I'll get it. One of the You've
Speaker 1: got one of the cows on your back, looking forward
Speaker 1: and staring at your phone as you're skating backwards. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't hit that part of the internet yet. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but you and the family are well and safe. Um,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see and sometime soon, buddy. Yeah. Likewise, Blaquise,
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't well. Yeah, man, great to hear
Speaker 1: from me. Yeah likewise likewise yeah yeah, yeah, for the
Speaker 1: real now for the real treat, gav Oh producer our producer,
Speaker 1: Amy Sugarman, welcome, save the best for laugh Fellas Sugerman say,
Speaker 1: I would say the best slash most neurotic. For last,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to hear all that you've done for
Speaker 1: during this quarantine time. Hopefully I don't disappoint you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty proud of myself that I'm not being
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I'm handling it fairly well.
Speaker 1: But I'll go into the details. But first, obviously, I
Speaker 1: want to say that I'm going to tell you every
Speaker 1: thing I'm doing, even though really my concern and prayers
Speaker 1: are with all the people that are suffering or lost
Speaker 1: their jobs or anything like that. But just to entertain you, Brooks,
Speaker 1: I am willing to tell you the weird I'm doing. Yes, please,
Speaker 1: because like you ordered a ten pound bag of rice
Speaker 1: there a month ago. So I did do a few
Speaker 1: things when I started. You know, I'm like a I'm
Speaker 1: one of those threaks that's always kind of like seeing
Speaker 1: what's happening on the internet and what are people doing.
Speaker 1: And I watched I always have watched like a lot
Speaker 1: of news. I would say probably the worst thing I'm
Speaker 1: doing is I watched probably ten hours of CNN a day,
Speaker 1: which is probably bad. Like like when when Chris Cuomo
Speaker 1: said he had it, it was like a very close
Speaker 1: cousin telling me they had it like I actually like
Speaker 1: made a like a noise, like like a family member had,
Speaker 1: and I have been following him. So I feel very
Speaker 1: bonded to everyone on CNN right now. But I would
Speaker 1: say the one thing that I'm probably overdoing is washing
Speaker 1: my hands. Not that you could do that, but my
Speaker 1: hands are like bleeding. My knuckles are kind of bleeding,
Speaker 1: and like there's that like every time I touch a
Speaker 1: door handle, I keep feeling like I need to wash
Speaker 1: my hands, even though my mom. I'm up in the
Speaker 1: day area and my mom is here and she lives
Speaker 1: like two doors down. I'm very similar to Gavitt. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he told you guys that he lives
Speaker 1: very close to his dad. So my mom, he's saying
Speaker 1: to me, like, you're you're the only one touching the
Speaker 1: door handles, so like you don't need to, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm contaminating myself sometimes, but I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be calm. I would say the other thing that I
Speaker 1: have really let go is my hair. I maybe we'll
Speaker 1: try and take a picture for you guys, because you
Speaker 1: know I get my hair colored every week. Okay, So
Speaker 1: my hair is gray. Oh, I have one other good one.
Speaker 1: So my boyfriend was here chill. He had been coming over.
Speaker 1: But now we're doing three weeks apart because they said
Speaker 1: these are the two the next two ish weeks, you
Speaker 1: really need to like lock it down. So we're doing
Speaker 1: three weeks apart. So I did his laundry and I
Speaker 1: put his like sweats and shirt and sweatshirt. But he
Speaker 1: left a pair of socks. So I will admit I've
Speaker 1: been sleeping with the socks, like on the pillow next
Speaker 1: to you, or you know, like on the hello next
Speaker 1: to me. There's nothing wrong with that, Brooks will talk later.
Speaker 1: I'm try to think. I mean, other than that, I
Speaker 1: just do like a lot of whiting and like I'm
Speaker 1: not hoarding. I want everyone to know, like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: like really good about that. I'm not doing any of
Speaker 1: that weird stuff. Like I definitely have food for the
Speaker 1: next two weeks. I don't have to go to the store.
Speaker 1: Um oh, I know what I did too. By a miracle,
Speaker 1: I had some Nords from Bucks. Do you know what
Speaker 1: that is? So it's like when you shop at Nordstrom,
Speaker 1: when you shop at a certain amount, you get like
Speaker 1: three Nords from money when you use your Nords from card.
Speaker 1: So I did have some Nords from Bucks saved up,
Speaker 1: so I am shopping like that makes me feel kind
Speaker 1: of good. So I shop at Nordstrom and use my
Speaker 1: Nords from Bucks like I've been doing. I'm pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean I do fifteen feet of distance. I will
Speaker 1: say that I do fifteen feet of distance, and I
Speaker 1: did feel bad. I was in the grocery store and
Speaker 1: I asked a woman some more distance. I was like,
Speaker 1: could I have some more distance? And then let me
Speaker 1: ask you a questions, Amy questions. If you're in an
Speaker 1: elevator and the door opens and someone wants to get in,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Well, I don't. I haven't been
Speaker 1: in an elevator since October of twenty eighteen. Yes, in
Speaker 1: an elevator. If if you were a normal person and
Speaker 1: you were in an elevator right now and the door
Speaker 1: open and someone wants to get in, what would you do?
Speaker 1: I don't think I would do it. I don't what
Speaker 1: did your building have an elevator? What are you doing
Speaker 1: from the front of it and say I'll send it back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would probably do the same, And mostly the reason
Speaker 1: would be because I want to keep my mom safe
Speaker 1: and you want to keep your dad safe, and we're like,
Speaker 1: who they have could take care of them? So I agree,
Speaker 1: and I think that anyone would be totally understanding, Like
Speaker 1: when I asked the lady at the grocery store for
Speaker 1: more distance because we were in the check outline the
Speaker 1: grocery By the way, I don't know if anyone has
Speaker 1: done this, but like, can we give a shout out
Speaker 1: to the people at the grocery store? And like the CDs,
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time, like because I
Speaker 1: don't like going the grocery store right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: only there with like what like thirty people. They have
Speaker 1: to be there all day with all the people, so
Speaker 1: I just think those people. I mean, obviously doctor's, nurses, police,
Speaker 1: fire all of it, but those grocery store people and
Speaker 1: the people driving the trucks and like the people delivering
Speaker 1: my packages. It's like, God bless, I am quarantining my packages,
Speaker 1: which I'm waiting for some expert to tell me to
Speaker 1: stop doing that, but I keep them for like a
Speaker 1: day or two outside. I got a question, are they giving? Uh?
Speaker 1: Has anyone decided to give grocery store workers pharmacy workers.
Speaker 1: Are they giving them hazard ta yet at least for
Speaker 1: the interim? I mean, let's hope. I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think that they be rageous
Speaker 1: for that to happen, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: they think that. I think the insta cart people were
Speaker 1: asking for stuff too. Um yeah, because like those people
Speaker 1: are really saving everyone else by going and doing the
Speaker 1: shopping and delivering the packages. I am getting in a
Speaker 1: crazy amount of packages. It's not gonna lie how many
Speaker 1: because m cannaday, No, that sounds excessive, But that's not
Speaker 1: only my fault because I did order like some some
Speaker 1: canned goods from Target, but the Target is shipping them
Speaker 1: quickly and separately, so it's not totally my fault. I'm
Speaker 1: not being like super nuts with the packages. And like
Speaker 1: I got lucky and something I wanted I found on
Speaker 1: the internet and I only got one. So I feel
Speaker 1: like we all really need to help each other out.
Speaker 1: My mom is going to try and color my hair
Speaker 1: next week, though, so that is going to be that's
Speaker 1: gonna be something amy. I might try and give myself
Speaker 1: a mohawk. A lot of people are a lot of
Speaker 1: guys are shaving their heads. I've seen that a lot,
Speaker 1: but I'm not just doing it, mohawk. Has anyone asked
Speaker 1: you how long that beard is gonna go? I'm not
Speaker 1: a I'm percent on that beard, Brooks. It's like freaking
Speaker 1: me out a little. Um it's I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: it's the longest I've ever had the beard in my life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somedays I'm like, I'm gonna shave it. The other days like,
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn. I'm up here in the
Speaker 1: woods in Idaho. I spend all day in the woods
Speaker 1: with my dog. Why does it matter if I have
Speaker 1: a beard or I don't have a beard? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: if you could grow in the beard a little longer
Speaker 1: and wear the right clothes, send the picture of us
Speaker 1: dressed like a gnome under yard. Like my hair, someone
Speaker 1: told me my hair was looking like Crystal Gale. Do
Speaker 1: you guys know who Crystal Gale is? No? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember Crystal when I was like five. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: really cute. But she has a really really long hair,
Speaker 1: and my hair probably needs to cut. My mom may
Speaker 1: try that too, but lord knows, you don't know. I
Speaker 1: know you were talking about music. I say, make the music.
Speaker 1: Have you heard Thomas Rescue song? No, listen to it.
Speaker 1: It's so good and it's like you got a year ago,
Speaker 1: but it's perfect for right now. So I say, like,
Speaker 1: make your songs. Oh wait, can we talk about your
Speaker 1: Kenny Roger special? That's up to you. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, so okay, I will say that was
Speaker 1: so sad that we lost Kenny Rogers, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it got a little lost in all this, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody understands. But what saw Kenny Rogers passed away?
Speaker 1: And there's a tribute on the eighth on CMT, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like everyone's being from their living room
Speaker 1: and you're on it. What song are you doing? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm allowed to me? Can you
Speaker 1: give us a hint? The surprise to surprise? But it
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite songs of all time. Um oh,
Speaker 1: going tell I love the Dreamer? Don't fall in love
Speaker 1: with a dreamer? Nope, I can't tell you. Everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: needs to watch the MT on the eight you're saying again,
Speaker 1: thank you. If it's going to be a big one,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big one. Dally Pardons on it,
Speaker 1: Uh Lady Annabellum's on it. Uh man, there's just there's
Speaker 1: just a there's a kind of act. That's kind of act.
Speaker 1: I hope someone sings islands in the stream. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: singing through the years. I also love through the years.
Speaker 1: No good. I wish you would give a hint, but
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait until what day will that be? Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Let's see Wednesday on. I love you guys as your
Speaker 1: face I missed coming into heart. I'll send you, guys
Speaker 1: a picture of my gray. It's really pretty. Uh send
Speaker 1: it in Rogers gray. Yes, like it's totally great. I'll
Speaker 1: send a picture that, and I'll send a picture of
Speaker 1: my guy's socks so everybody can see what. I want
Speaker 1: you to send a picture of Kenny Rodgers and then
Speaker 1: of your gray. We can we who wore better? Who
Speaker 1: wore it better? Um post a photo of you with
Speaker 1: laying in bed at the socks on your pillow. Well,
Speaker 1: we can post the socks, but move me. I'm sending
Speaker 1: the socks to Danielle right now. They're like super clean
Speaker 1: clean them there the yeah, and we got an indoor
Speaker 1: putting green. So I have been I and I that
Speaker 1: that's like was a splurge, and I'm I don't want
Speaker 1: to seem like, oh, I'm just lulling everything on the internet.
Speaker 1: But I did buy an indoor putting green and uh
Speaker 1: so we practice our putting. He said. When I missed
Speaker 1: him to just hit some cuts. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. Um, but he can't break up with
Speaker 1: me until after all. This so good. We're good for
Speaker 1: a bit, guys, We're good for a bit. This goes
Speaker 1: on for a long and long and long. I actually
Speaker 1: I actually thought about that, but I'm not like. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be over as quickly as we can and
Speaker 1: get some good treatments going so we can help everybody
Speaker 1: that needs the help. Yeah, maybe for Christmas, can you
Speaker 1: have an ugly Christmas winter made? Usually his socks. Wait
Speaker 1: till you guys see the socks. I hope that's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good one. Um. I love you. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Be safe, stay stay stay at home, wash your hands,
Speaker 1: stay at home, stay indoors door. You can go for
Speaker 1: a walk. You can go for a walk, you can
Speaker 1: go for a walking. Okay, stay safe. Let's stay or
Speaker 1: stay active and stay safe. Either way, Um, Amy, look,
Speaker 1: you miss you have. I appreciate your time today, miss
Speaker 1: you as well. But this whole thing, um and everybody
Speaker 1: else out there, we just say that just sending our
Speaker 1: love to you guys. Thank you guys for listening, and
Speaker 1: more than ever, take care of one another, love one another,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here next week for another
Speaker 1: episode of How Men Think