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Speaker 2: the postseason. All right, let's talk some basketball. So this

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Speaker 2: Over penetrating better shot selection, playing and taking what the

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Speaker 2: Both teams are capable of playing a lot better than

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City does have the talent to win this series.

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Speaker 2: It's all going to be about being sharper with their

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Speaker 2: like it's all about shot value, right, You don't want

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Speaker 2: three point line and they're not high quality threes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's contested, and not if it's a good shot. Same

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Speaker 2: thing goes for the rim. The rim is the highest

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Speaker 2: think of sixty two percent or whatever. I'll have to

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Speaker 1: Now we're not talking about you know.

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Speaker 2: One point three or one point four points per shot

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Speaker 2: just have to make those kickout passes. Play advantage basketball again,

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Speaker 2: Like it's very simple. If you are playing one on

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Speaker 2: Shout out to kase On Walla's a bunch of big

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Speaker 2: as well. He was getting He was a victim of

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Speaker 2: a lot of that physicality as well. There's a swim

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Speaker 2: the foul line late on the Dallas front again. Luca

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Speaker 2: the shot, the shot selection. I understand why he's taking

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Speaker 2: I think he can be a little bit better there.

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Speaker 2: The big one is the mistakes. I think Kyrie and

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Speaker 2: Luca are both doing a really good job of what

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City's not doing, which is making those kickout passes

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Speaker 2: With how good they are in transition, turnovers are a

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Speaker 2: death sentence. That is the entire way their offense. I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't say the entire way. That is a significant significant

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Speaker 2: Luca's knee is hurt. Yeah, you're right, everyone's hurt.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: He's got to find a way to play right Blue

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Speaker 2: George's fouling them, Yeah, you're right. So is every elite

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Speaker 2: perimaterive veender in the league. In every series. Everyone's found

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Speaker 2: the hell out of everybody. Luca is not the only

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Speaker 2: primary ball handler out there who's getting hacked and slashed

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Speaker 2: He has to find a way to weather through that

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Speaker 2: also thought Jason Kidd, it was interesting that he leans

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Speaker 2: so much on Tim Hardaway Junior late. Derek Jones Junior

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Speaker 2: is playing really well seventeen points in this game, he

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Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway.

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Speaker 2: Tim Hardaway Junior made a critical mistake at the end

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Speaker 2: Derek Jones is, in my opinion, like someone that has

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Speaker 2: this is I'll just put it this simply. Both of

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Speaker 2: really could see this series going either way. Like Dallas

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Speaker 2: is capable of playing so much better, Like Kyrie and

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Speaker 2: Luca combined for twenty seven points tonight, Like you bet

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Speaker 2: your ass they're due for a fifty five to sixty

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Speaker 2: point night between those two, right, And also Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: is capable of much better offensive process, getting more more

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Speaker 2: and it's just gonna be the simple. Whichever team snaps

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Speaker 2: their advantages is going to win this series. No one's

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Speaker 2: playing well and it's two two, so like this is

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Speaker 2: there for the taking. Somebody's just got to rise from

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Speaker 2: the pack. Tonight Shae was the guy who rose. We'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens in Game five obviously will be their

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Speaker 2: live on YouTube after the final buzzer on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: The volume