Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, welcome back to return to the Shadows. Today
Speaker 1: we are doing something very special and very close to
Speaker 1: my heart. As some of you may know, I have
Speaker 1: a brand new show on Netflix called Partner Track. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited for you to watch it. So to celebrate
Speaker 1: this week, we've decided to invite some of the main
Speaker 1: cast onto the podcast to talk about the show. Today,
Speaker 1: we will be talking to Arden Show, Rob Heaps, and
Speaker 1: Desmond Chum, three of my dear friends from the show
Speaker 1: who I was so happy to reunite with today. Partner
Speaker 1: Track is available on Netflix right now, so you can
Speaker 1: go watch it as soon as you're finished listening to this.
Speaker 1: And with that being said, let's dive on in. Hello.
Speaker 1: My name is Arden Chow and I play ingrid Ian
Speaker 1: on Partner Track. Hey guys, I'm Desmond Charm and I
Speaker 1: play z Hi. My name's Robert and I play Nick
Speaker 1: Laren Yo. Hi. Thank you guys so much for being
Speaker 1: here and I miss you. I miss you too. Where
Speaker 1: are you? I am currently in Santa Fe, New Mexico,
Speaker 1: in the seventies, so that's my life. We should really
Speaker 1: be thanking you for joining us. In that case, I
Speaker 1: think I had the longest community, traveling, traveling all that
Speaker 1: way through time, a lot of effort, real effort, just
Speaker 1: to get a laptop the works. Yeah, WiFi hold of
Speaker 1: a very particular stage. Yes, it's true, it's true. That's
Speaker 1: been looking fun. By the way, I'm seeing Lawrence's shots
Speaker 1: from that, it looks dark. Thanks so much, Thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much for being here and for doing this.
Speaker 1: This is great. Yeah, thanks you all for being here today,
Speaker 1: and congratulations on such a fantastic show. You know, I
Speaker 1: really really am so proud of I mean, obviously Dominar
Speaker 1: Nerd two of my oldest friends, but the show is fantastic,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm so proud of you guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we get to celebrate it. You're
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. Thank you. Likewise, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Who's got the airplane? Did you guys hear that? What
Speaker 1: a plane? Oh? Maybe it was on my and then
Speaker 1: all I heard was this massive airplane. Well it was
Speaker 1: actually just me breathing very low into the mind. Sorry, Das,
Speaker 1: Are you on set as well? No, No, I'm just
Speaker 1: at home. I get to hang out for a few days.
Speaker 1: It's so nice. That's nice. Yeah, me too. I'm just unemployed,
Speaker 1: so please watch the show. I'm with you. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to be here. But I do have the Queen's
Speaker 1: I do have the Queen's funeral on we do to
Speaker 1: my left. Yea happening right now? It's actually insane. It's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really wild. Like I don't know. You're not in England, right,
Speaker 1: you're in your Yeah, it's England's like desolate, like London
Speaker 1: is is manic decor is in London right now. London
Speaker 1: is like insane. But my town, my little town where
Speaker 1: I'm at, is nobody on the streets, like nobody. It
Speaker 1: was no cause there's no motion. The The entire sort
Speaker 1: of gone dead except for London. Yeah. Is it because
Speaker 1: everyone's traveled to the location, either traveled to London or
Speaker 1: people are inside watching it? Right? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's deviate this is this is half my
Speaker 1: job of the podcast is getting us back on topic that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about partner track. When you first got
Speaker 1: your auditions. Obviously, Dom and I have been a part
Speaker 1: of a TV series based on books. Did you all
Speaker 1: read the book? Did you choose not to read the book?
Speaker 1: I know different actors have different kind of ways of
Speaker 1: going about and accessing characters when it's based on source material.
Speaker 1: How did all of you, you know, get to the
Speaker 1: project and did you read the book and tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about that process for you? Well, for me,
Speaker 1: and after reading the pilot, I had to read the
Speaker 1: book because I wanted to see what was going to happen,
Speaker 1: especially if it was something I was going to jump
Speaker 1: into and commit. I was like, all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: see where this goes. Because the pilot so much happens,
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously for my character it's quite triggering,
Speaker 1: and you hope that the story will be redemptive and
Speaker 1: that there will be so much more. And of course
Speaker 1: the book was amazing, and there really was, and they
Speaker 1: love that. Our show has you know, elements of the book,
Speaker 1: but it's also developed characters and deeper ways and made
Speaker 1: a you know, dramatized version that fits for television. You
Speaker 1: can appreciate the book, you can appreciate the show. And
Speaker 1: I don't think they're really in competition with each other,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I think on that note,
Speaker 1: I think Helen's actually done a really lovely job of
Speaker 1: sort of I think she's done it really gracefully, associating
Speaker 1: herself with this production in a way that doesn't feel
Speaker 1: kind of territorial. But she's just played. It's just she's
Speaker 1: really proud of that, the way that this story has
Speaker 1: kind of evolved into this medium. And I think I've
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that while watching her and just how happy
Speaker 1: she is and how proud she is to have this story,
Speaker 1: this amazing thing that she wrote. I don't know out
Speaker 1: in the wide world, it's really really cool. I think
Speaker 1: it does help that there's like a consistency of tone, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an offer to see that preserved. I think is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things, because that's I think the hardest.
Speaker 1: That's like one of the most intangible things to translate
Speaker 1: into film or TV. And I think, you know, Georgia
Speaker 1: and stuff have done pretty well totally. And writers never
Speaker 1: like films of their work. It's like it's just he's like,
Speaker 1: even Stephen King hates the shining. It's like, what do
Speaker 1: you you know? What are you're talking about? This is
Speaker 1: the most amazing entertainement. So it's really lovely to see
Speaker 1: someone that's actually happy. Page fifty three. Yeah, but answer
Speaker 1: to your question. Really it's funny because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Nick Laren, okay, cool, sounds like a cool character. And
Speaker 1: I bought the book on Kindle and then really cool.
Speaker 1: Obviously the first thing idea is go to the little
Speaker 1: search icon at the top, Nick no results. Hang on
Speaker 1: if is it? Maybe it's spelled an I K no,
Speaker 1: Nic no, no, he's not in it. I was like,
Speaker 1: so I I didn't, you know, I didn't bother reading
Speaker 1: the bookcase I don't care if my character is not anything,
Speaker 1: and I'm not interested. No, I did read it. I
Speaker 1: did a moment. It's a moment to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: then I'm going to read it anyway. You know, you
Speaker 1: recovered you you, you got your you know, you recovered
Speaker 1: with your your emotions. And then Dove write it. You
Speaker 1: said your aside and Dove straight it. I love that
Speaker 1: you set your prior to side. Thanks Rob. I did.
Speaker 1: I did read it, and then I almost stopped because
Speaker 1: I thought, I actually don't want to know what happens here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to find out because there's obviously when
Speaker 1: the ending is different, right, so like it is, dex
Speaker 1: read it while I was auditioning, and and then I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, these are the things that happened, and
Speaker 1: then I got some more scripts and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think any of this happens,
Speaker 1: And so like, we're definitely changing some bits that you
Speaker 1: that you are holding onto, but again you know that,
Speaker 1: and Kat and I have been through this many a
Speaker 1: time with book fans of the shows that we were on, Like,
Speaker 1: you have no choice but to change certain things. You
Speaker 1: keep the elements of the things that you really like,
Speaker 1: and you try and whole dear to the and true
Speaker 1: to the characters and the sort of general story as
Speaker 1: much as possible. But it's such an interesting thing that
Speaker 1: some book fans, some sort of very fervent book fans,
Speaker 1: want a carbon copy of that book to just to
Speaker 1: be on screen, versus having that story told via a
Speaker 1: new medium, via new storytelling techniques and actually make it
Speaker 1: sort of interesting and something engaging rather than waiting for
Speaker 1: like I know this thing is going to happen. I
Speaker 1: want to see this happen. I wanted to see this happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right or wrong way of
Speaker 1: doing it, but I know, from my point of views,
Speaker 1: at least as sort of TV storytelling. I find it
Speaker 1: more interesting to be able to adapt certain things and
Speaker 1: change things and make it, you know, a little bit ours,
Speaker 1: whilst also being like, we understand that this was your
Speaker 1: baby first, and we want to you know, we want
Speaker 1: to cherish it and make it interesting again, you know,
Speaker 1: a second time, make it real interesting. It's it's lovely
Speaker 1: when it still stays true to the heart of what
Speaker 1: the story is. But even folks who know every word
Speaker 1: of the book verbatim, it can still be something fresh
Speaker 1: and something new and something exciting, and it's almost a
Speaker 1: re experiencing of the book for you know, for these
Speaker 1: fans that even know it so so very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually one of the common things we've heard from
Speaker 1: the fans of the book that have said, oh, it's
Speaker 1: really fun to see even Rachel and Tyler having their
Speaker 1: characters expanded and then having new characters like Nicklaren and
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's so much fun to be
Speaker 1: had and it's like sort of the fantasy dreamland of
Speaker 1: Partner tracked the book. You know, we get to glamorize
Speaker 1: it for TV and you know, exactly, and it just
Speaker 1: allows for so much growth, So it feels fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's no way to fully fully do it textually.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's certain things that will I think
Speaker 1: in any book be impossible to produce. Just fundamentally, as
Speaker 1: long as there's sort of mutual respect between the two,
Speaker 1: the respective both of the two different mediums, I think
Speaker 1: it tends to work out generally for the best. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of fun, I'm very jealous because New York City
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite cities in the world, and
Speaker 1: the fact that you guys not only get to live
Speaker 1: there and shoot there on a show that was set there. Um,
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters was also set in New York and we
Speaker 1: shot in Toronto, so you were extremely lucky. Tell me
Speaker 1: what that was like and what that you know, that
Speaker 1: whole experience was for you, and what were your favorite
Speaker 1: or maybe least favorite parts of filming in New York City,
Speaker 1: The plaza man, getting to shoot your pa. I grew up.
Speaker 1: I think I've said this already, but you know, I
Speaker 1: remember that age where I grew up watching films like Crocodile,
Speaker 1: Dundee and Home Alone to like these iconic movies saying
Speaker 1: as the hotel, it's just it's so so exciting to
Speaker 1: realize that God that you know, that's where they stood there,
Speaker 1: and that's where that amazing scene happens on those steps,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's magical. It's magically I had. I was
Speaker 1: sort of lucky. A lot of my scenes we're all
Speaker 1: on locations, so I wasn't doing as much obviously, I
Speaker 1: didn't have any stuff in the jury box everything like that,
Speaker 1: So I was actually had this kind of intense days
Speaker 1: early on where we'd be in Bemleman's Bar in the
Speaker 1: Carlisle Hotel, which was I think that your first day
Speaker 1: as well done. It was my first day. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of first days actually, and that's the kind
Speaker 1: of iconic bar on the Upper east Side. And actually
Speaker 1: during the making doing production, this this article came out
Speaker 1: in the New York Post saying all these like old
Speaker 1: timey Upper east Side seventy year olds are furious that
Speaker 1: the bell Woman's Bar has been taken over by a
Speaker 1: new generation of tiktoker's who are like queuing up to
Speaker 1: go and get you know, like get themselves in the bar.
Speaker 1: And remember reading that Chow into Georgia going, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going to be part of the problem there, aren't we. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was literally like that article came out maybe the
Speaker 1: week that we were shooting there, because I remember we
Speaker 1: were all discussing it, like in our chairs, sat in
Speaker 1: Bemleman's bar, like, oh no, this is us, we're doing this.
Speaker 1: Actually rushed it through the press. The journalist was were
Speaker 1: shooting and they were like, we're writing this. They we're
Speaker 1: very angry about this. They were mostly angry at Dom
Speaker 1: and really that's where Yeah, these drinking all our whiskey.
Speaker 1: It's true, they're always taking over drinking our whiskey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for me, shooting in New York was just
Speaker 1: it felt so surreal, especially when we go back and
Speaker 1: watch the show. I think when I watch it, I
Speaker 1: see how big of a character New York played in
Speaker 1: our show. But then when we were filming, you're just
Speaker 1: so in it and it feels so hectic. Because when
Speaker 1: you film on a set or a lot, you just
Speaker 1: kind of live there. You know, everything actually feels quite easy.
Speaker 1: You're sort of on the same set every day, you
Speaker 1: kind of check in, check out, it's all the same.
Speaker 1: But when you're shooting on location and you're shooting in
Speaker 1: this big city, the city plays a huge character. Trailer moves,
Speaker 1: the locations move sometimes you don't know where the trailer is.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know where set is. You're like wondering
Speaker 1: this city kind of think for me, yeah, it's chaos.
Speaker 1: It's really wild because there's days where you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Dom dez rob I, we would all just be like
Speaker 1: on set and you can never go back to your trailer.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Sometimes you don't realize that even having
Speaker 1: five minutes of silence can be quite healing for an
Speaker 1: actor and give you time to sort of recharge. But
Speaker 1: we were just in it, and if I think about
Speaker 1: that now, I'm like, oh, wow, we did that. It's
Speaker 1: really cool. Like New York played such a big part
Speaker 1: in our show, and I never spent a long extended
Speaker 1: time in New York, so I feel like I learned
Speaker 1: about the city while we were shooting, and I saw
Speaker 1: so much of the city. And even when we shot
Speaker 1: a retreat that was beautiful where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at New York. There's greenery and it's nature. I
Speaker 1: love it because I feel like I'm such not a
Speaker 1: city girl. In New York itself is like terrifying for me.
Speaker 1: Like everyone's mad, everyone's so angry, and everyone's like yelling
Speaker 1: I get it, man, I lived in London for so long,
Speaker 1: Like I just I understand. People got places to be,
Speaker 1: and like if you get stuck behind the slow walker,
Speaker 1: it drives me crazy. And like my girlfriend's quite a
Speaker 1: slow walker, and I will be like walking the dog
Speaker 1: and talking and then I turned around. She's like eight
Speaker 1: meters behind me, and I'm like, I've been I've been
Speaker 1: talking to you for an hour and a half, Like
Speaker 1: what's how long have you been back there? Because we're
Speaker 1: talking about some serious stuff, like I don't you agreed
Speaker 1: to a bunch of things like that. They I hope
Speaker 1: you like the curtains because I picked them out and
Speaker 1: ordered them. Whether you heard it or not, I've already
Speaker 1: been on my phone this whole time. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a day where we I think it was the day
Speaker 1: where we just went for lunch. Wasn't there Rather the
Speaker 1: day that we shot in the arts club where they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, we're going to shuffle you back
Speaker 1: for like a weird sort of crafted dunch. No, there's
Speaker 1: just there's a restaurant literally that's just go and have
Speaker 1: some sort of stacey And that's what we did, and
Speaker 1: that that's one of the things about being in the city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was one of the best days. And I
Speaker 1: think it was because it was one of those things
Speaker 1: where if we were to walk back to our trailers,
Speaker 1: it would have taken us nearly twenty minutes. But you
Speaker 1: what's lunch, we get like thirty minutes. We were like,
Speaker 1: why don't we just eat here instead of walking all
Speaker 1: the way back to our trailers and then coming all
Speaker 1: the way back to set. We'll actually save time eat
Speaker 1: quickly versus like walking twenty minutes, eating for two minutes
Speaker 1: and then walking back. That's themagining in New York. The
Speaker 1: block provides, right provides. Yeah, actually, that was my first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my first time. It was one of the
Speaker 1: transfer guys, but it was it was my first time
Speaker 1: in New York ever, and was it really Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was my first time literally stating for New York, and
Speaker 1: I kind of took to it like a dufter water
Speaker 1: because I'm a city I am a city boy. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love that place. I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to walk behind these tourists and make them feel like
Speaker 1: they're walking too slow. Even though I was like the
Speaker 1: second day in town, I knew that was you YouTube
Speaker 1: series like it just walks slightly too fine and like
Speaker 1: the Asian Australia and superhero down of innocent bystanders. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can see Dessi playing a superhero in a heartbeat,
Speaker 1: and like, I want you to have a better power
Speaker 1: than than like slightly quicker walking, but like I can
Speaker 1: see you playing the superhero. That might be all we get.
Speaker 1: That might be all we get. Speed walking. Man, what
Speaker 1: was it like being your first time in New York? Well,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was intimidating at first because
Speaker 1: they put us in a hotel right on Times Square,
Speaker 1: like the front opened up two Times Square, which which
Speaker 1: is which I quickly found out as the worst place
Speaker 1: in New York. But yeah, So the day the transport
Speaker 1: guide said that to me and picked me up, I
Speaker 1: was a little freaked out because I'd gone through the
Speaker 1: whole Time Square crushed to find him, and I was
Speaker 1: super stressed, and I was late because he couldn't get
Speaker 1: into there was something going on. He couldn't get to
Speaker 1: the front door, and I was trying to have a
Speaker 1: gate and I was like, oh man, that's gonna be crazy,
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't alright, dude. The block provides cool.
Speaker 1: What the fund does that mean? Yeah, you get it
Speaker 1: after a while. Yeah, I first met you just because
Speaker 1: Arden did this amazing Thanksgiving dinner for everyone. She hosted
Speaker 1: everyone that was in town drink Thanksgiving the best company ever,
Speaker 1: has to be said, and she invited everyone over who
Speaker 1: was in town, said to where she was staying in
Speaker 1: the West Village and have this amazing spread. And that
Speaker 1: was that was That's actually one of my best memories.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even I totally forgot about that. And
Speaker 1: your parents parents, parents are so precious, you guys. Rob's
Speaker 1: parents emailed me like the sweetest emails and we just
Speaker 1: went back and forth because they were like, thank you
Speaker 1: for having us for our first American Thanksgiving. So much special.
Speaker 1: It really did. And you know what's crazy, we don't
Speaker 1: have a single photo from that day because everybody was
Speaker 1: in it. We were having so much really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when you know when everyone like
Speaker 1: nobody's really talking when they're eating, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone's enjoying this, like everyone's having a good like this,
Speaker 1: you don't really need to be chatting, Like we can
Speaker 1: chat before and after. It's the same thing with the photos,
Speaker 1: like everyone was so sort of interconnected that there was
Speaker 1: nobody thought like, let's take a photo of all of
Speaker 1: us right now, because we just you know, you were
Speaker 1: in the middle. I wasn't there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it might invite got lost in the mail, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: We invited everyone but Dominant, Oh, of course was invited.
Speaker 1: I was invited. I was. That's why we didn't chat
Speaker 1: the photo is because we would have had to photoshop domin,
Speaker 1: which normally and then he would have he would have
Speaker 1: been all funny about it. And it's just and then
Speaker 1: this shop him in and then what like gasolt him
Speaker 1: into thinking he was there. There's let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't know how this keeps happening, but like I
Speaker 1: look like I'm photo shopped end photos, even when I'm
Speaker 1: when I was there when the photo was taken, like
Speaker 1: the last one on my wes, because you're so photogenic, dumb.
Speaker 1: It's just what happened, isn't It's not that it looks
Speaker 1: like a cut out. I look like like this one.
Speaker 1: Can you see this? I'm here that's sort a different
Speaker 1: field of focus, and like I'm in different lighting. Somehow
Speaker 1: I was there. I was with every paris your Christmas
Speaker 1: defines the laws of conventional physics. It's crazy and it
Speaker 1: happens to be all the time. We need to never
Speaker 1: put down on the end. Whenever he's on the end,
Speaker 1: his whole body is like reflecting light and he's like
Speaker 1: focus only on me. Let me be like the standalone.
Speaker 1: At least one hand needs to be on the shoulder
Speaker 1: at all times. Someone needs to be connected to me
Speaker 1: so that you know that I was there. But it's
Speaker 1: really weird. We have like ten group photos and they
Speaker 1: all look like dominics. Isn't so speaking of being connected
Speaker 1: because all of these seem to have made such a
Speaker 1: connection on set. What's the connection been like with the audience?
Speaker 1: What's the reception to the show been like so far?
Speaker 1: For you? Have you had some you know, encounters with
Speaker 1: folks in person or on social media anything that's what's
Speaker 1: been your favorite sort of moment of someone connecting with
Speaker 1: the story so far? I think my favorite thing has
Speaker 1: been all the Asian American women and men, also mothers
Speaker 1: and fathers sending me letters saying how much this means
Speaker 1: to them for their children and for the little girl
Speaker 1: that they were fifteen twenty years ago. And feeling so
Speaker 1: excited that our stories are being told. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the impact that the show would have
Speaker 1: in such a deeper level, because you know, when we're
Speaker 1: filming the show, we're just we're acting, we're having fun,
Speaker 1: we're make believe, right, we're shooting at the plaza, We're
Speaker 1: wearing gowns and taxes, and it's like doing the lawyer thing.
Speaker 1: But then you realize for someone watching, I mean, it
Speaker 1: can feel life changing for someone to see a person
Speaker 1: that they relate to or someone that they feel like
Speaker 1: they can identify with. And so that's been really incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think for me and said everything for
Speaker 1: the response from the Asian community has been nice. Um fundamentally,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've done a show that represents in
Speaker 1: any particular way before, and it is nice seeing that.
Speaker 1: I think I said this to you yesterday. But the
Speaker 1: search that that search for community and that social identity
Speaker 1: is such a powerful engine and I think I'm was
Speaker 1: starting to see our community sort of tune it up
Speaker 1: as it were, you know, it's getting a couple of
Speaker 1: bells and whistles at it, and it's just been nice
Speaker 1: being part of that process. Yeah, really, I open up
Speaker 1: for me this stuff because you know, there's that difference
Speaker 1: between understanding something and as a concept in your head
Speaker 1: and then understanding it kind of more in your heart physically.
Speaker 1: And that very much the case to me with representation,
Speaker 1: because I was into the off course. Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. But this has been a real
Speaker 1: Oh I get it. I actually actually get it. Why
Speaker 1: this is so powerful and it's really it's quite emotional. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's very there was we had it this week with
Speaker 1: a little Mermaid Trader came out who's you know, obviously
Speaker 1: African American and all that this foot is all these
Speaker 1: little girls, all these like all over this footage of
Speaker 1: these guys watching it. Oh my god, She's like me,
Speaker 1: I didn't even I never understood. Yeah, because I could
Speaker 1: be in this story. It's it's it's very moving a
Speaker 1: path and and I genuinely feel so proud to be
Speaker 1: to be involved in a story like that. And Halle
Speaker 1: is just incredible. She's freaking powerhouse and I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of her. You know her, I met her ages ago,
Speaker 1: like Disney Channel days back when she was doing radio
Speaker 1: Disney stuff, and she and her sister are just the
Speaker 1: sweetest humans and also just overly, overly, inordinately talented, and
Speaker 1: the fact that this is happening for her, I just
Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier. Yeah, I cannot wait to watch
Speaker 1: it and play that trailer on repeat, and I was like,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the little girl in music. I mean,
Speaker 1: the boys know, we used to like sing Disney songs
Speaker 1: on set all the time. That was like the thing
Speaker 1: that we would do. We've got so many musical people
Speaker 1: on our set, so I'm just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: a little more. My uber rating is still a bit
Speaker 1: hurt by how many times we would scream Disney songs
Speaker 1: in the car after drunken nights out. And it got
Speaker 1: to a point where like like new guest stars would
Speaker 1: come in and they'd be like, oh, I haven't uber
Speaker 1: right away, and we're like, why don't we have a
Speaker 1: new bern. It's because they weren't picking us up, because
Speaker 1: we get in the car and suddenly we're singing I'll
Speaker 1: make a man out of you, and you know, can
Speaker 1: you feel the love tonight at the top of our lungs.
Speaker 1: We had to refrain, We had to refrash, or at
Speaker 1: least I did I was very refrained from singing lion
Speaker 1: king stuff around Bradley because I didn't want to, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if that was like stepping on toes
Speaker 1: or whatever, because Bradley was Timber on Broadway. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I don't know, like, maybe I'll just
Speaker 1: like because otherwise I'd be in every day. And they
Speaker 1: were like and I tried to do that every morning,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, oh my god, I love it. Also, dude,
Speaker 1: I have to say the amount of people that I
Speaker 1: know texting me being like, obviously, Nick, what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? And they're so passionate, they're so angry, and
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, Murphy, I'm going to kill him.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many texts I've had from
Speaker 1: friends that are like, I hate Murphy, but I really
Speaker 1: like Dominic. So I feel really torn, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: my mom said that. Actually, my mom said the same thing.
Speaker 1: She left out there, but I really like Dominic. She
Speaker 1: was just like, wow, Murphy fucking sucks. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, mom, well then you did your job. You know,
Speaker 1: if you've made your mom justlike you, you've done your job.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys, they're great, actors, incredible actors. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you have no idea. They're so different from their characters.
Speaker 1: It's funny, though, isn't it, Because you do you get
Speaker 1: like you are you or you as as you know,
Speaker 1: as actors or anyone I suppose in the public eye
Speaker 1: used to read these things, and it's difficult to even
Speaker 1: for us to separate they're talking about a character that
Speaker 1: versus they're talking about a person. And I think I've
Speaker 1: sort of slowly gotten the handle of it um over
Speaker 1: the years, with a lot of help from Jack Daniels
Speaker 1: um and elicited this behavior and me where now. It's
Speaker 1: like the fact that that the people are talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that people are so passionate that Murphy sucks
Speaker 1: means not only were they enjoying it, they were engaged
Speaker 1: that we told the story the correct way, but also
Speaker 1: that I kind of did my job, which makes me
Speaker 1: feel really good. So that it's sort of the more
Speaker 1: aggressive people are, the more I'm like, that's awesome. That's
Speaker 1: kind of exactly what we wanted to kind of, right, like,
Speaker 1: that's what we wanted at the end of the at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, right you got under their skin.
Speaker 1: Well without spoiling things too much as we sort of
Speaker 1: start wrapping things up here, What if someone hasn't watched
Speaker 1: Partner Track yet, the few people in this world that
Speaker 1: have yet to embark on this series, what is the
Speaker 1: one thing that you would tell them before watching the
Speaker 1: show or to get them to watch the show. I
Speaker 1: would say, get ready for the ride, and there will
Speaker 1: be surprises. I think people kind of come into it,
Speaker 1: especially after the trailer, thinking, oh, is your standard romcom,
Speaker 1: Like I know what to expect. But I would say
Speaker 1: give it a fair watch, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: little something for everyone, and you might come for one
Speaker 1: thing and stay for something else. And I genuinely feel
Speaker 1: like every episode gets better and better as you get
Speaker 1: deeper into the show, and so really give it a
Speaker 1: full watch. I mean, it's only ten episodes, guys, it's easy.
Speaker 1: Most of the most of reviewers have finished it twice
Speaker 1: in a weekend, so you know all ton episodes. But
Speaker 1: you've got to give it a full watch. If you
Speaker 1: watch like one or do episodes, it just doesn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly that there's just so yeah, there's just so many
Speaker 1: surprises along the way. And it's not that that's the
Speaker 1: biggest feedback I've had is People, which is not the
Speaker 1: show that they were expecting, even after the episode becomes
Speaker 1: darker in many ways and a lot more intriguing and yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got You've got to You've got to see the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's very I think. I think the later
Speaker 1: episodes are properly powerful, agree and they have written I guess,
Speaker 1: the stories cleverly to sort of lead to not just
Speaker 1: what happens in sort of that last scene towards you know,
Speaker 1: ongoing telling of the stories, but also they've sort of
Speaker 1: laid these beautiful threads, like threads that I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to see flourish, you know, without giving too much way.
Speaker 1: I think everyone here knows the other ones that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, and is too potential new love interests, I
Speaker 1: think is potentially something very excited. You have no idea,
Speaker 1: You have no idea what I'm talking about. I get it,
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm winking, and it just dawned on me
Speaker 1: that this is all the I am. Can you can
Speaker 1: you wink louder into the mighty? Yeah, dominic, wink louder
Speaker 1: with your left eye? Did you hear that? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's a real talent that's going. That's going all right
Speaker 1: on the CV. That is, he's a loud winker. If
Speaker 1: only they could see all the boys winking. Now it
Speaker 1: might just be a muscle twitch at this point. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: someone someone called someone Tom is a very very good winker.
Speaker 1: Has to be said, Wait, you guys, actually this is
Speaker 1: hilarious watching all of your winking. Rob's into the face
Speaker 1: like the higher face comes in. You get a little pope,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, and then does makes like a puppy
Speaker 1: face when he winks like he makes triggers some face
Speaker 1: muscles that shouldn't be trigging. Sorry, never know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen on this podcast. My favorite thing worried and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about we always say that we have a
Speaker 1: plan for these episodes, and then we just always go
Speaker 1: after rails, but in the most wonderful way organic association. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure of it. But I was shopping Just a
Speaker 1: quick story to me. I was shopping in in supermarket
Speaker 1: yesterday and at the check out there was the lady
Speaker 1: next to me, when are you coming back? I was like,
Speaker 1: coming what to the supermarket? Are you coming back? Season two?
Speaker 1: I went, oh, well, we don't know you actually wrote
Speaker 1: what I hope, so it's thank you. Then the woman
Speaker 1: on the on the till next to me, when, wait,
Speaker 1: what's you talking about? I said, I'm in a show,
Speaker 1: and then another guy, what you're on a TV show?
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, I'm in a show. I'm the first person.
Speaker 1: What's it called? I was a punture? And then another
Speaker 1: person walk It's called what I was like before I
Speaker 1: knew it, I'm like in this circle of six six
Speaker 1: sort of morning shoppers. It was it was who all
Speaker 1: went away? Hopefully that I love it. That's that's what
Speaker 1: it takes. Yeah, hopefully all of our listeners will do
Speaker 1: the same if they haven't already, you know, for indulged
Speaker 1: in the series. But thanks so much you all for
Speaker 1: being here today. Are I miss you so much. Let's
Speaker 1: get lunch soon when we are in the same city
Speaker 1: because I miss you crazy back. We keep saying we're
Speaker 1: going to grab food or a hike or something, and
Speaker 1: so far away, I know, come to Santa Fe. There's
Speaker 1: plenty of hikes here, if one could say mostly hikes. Yeah, basically.
Speaker 1: But thanks you all so much, and congratulations on such
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful show. I really appreciate you taking the
Speaker 1: time to come into our podcast today and there for
Speaker 1: taking such good care of dom. Wow. We try, I
Speaker 1: mean as anyone can. I mean I always told Tom
Speaker 1: every time he would group chatos, it was like something
Speaker 1: tragic had happened. He's always getting injured. I know, were
Speaker 1: you there, Daisy when that happened? When you like the
Speaker 1: first one, the first one was I didn't even think
Speaker 1: this is the first one. It was like midway through
Speaker 1: I like I stepped on a sea urchin over New
Speaker 1: Year's and I just came back spines inside my furs.
Speaker 1: It was why do you know what's embarrassing is I was.
Speaker 1: I was snorkeling with Decca and I was pointing out
Speaker 1: said aforementioned search in two Decca saying, don't worry that
Speaker 1: because it looks dangerous, And as soon as I turned around,
Speaker 1: I just booted the thing off the off the coral
Speaker 1: like screamed into my snorkel went out, and then all
Speaker 1: the Hawaiians are laughing at me, like you stepped on
Speaker 1: a urchin. Like nothing I've done that. It's it's horrible,
Speaker 1: It's extremely in Australia. You must have them everywhere, right
Speaker 1: more or less more or less more in New Zealand
Speaker 1: happened to be New Zealand, but oh really, and it
Speaker 1: was terrible because we were specifically diving to get them
Speaker 1: and we knew they were there. We need to be careful.
Speaker 1: We've been run through the ropes and just just idiot me.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm gonna step while looking this way
Speaker 1: for people who can't see. I just turned. You've experienced this,
Speaker 1: and you won't make them stake again. Hopefully, well you would, hope, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would. Cat and I if we were with all
Speaker 1: of you boys, we would just be like boys. They're like, Mom,
Speaker 1: we are We're there, literally Mom. Yeah. Well, thanks folks
Speaker 1: for being here today. It's been so lovely to meet
Speaker 1: all of you. And hopefully we'll be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: share a whiskey in person one of these days York,
Speaker 1: exactly while we're shooting season two. And if you make
Speaker 1: another lawyer I'm here, you know I'm currently working on that.
Speaker 1: Cat would crush. It would be so fun. We'll all
Speaker 1: grab a drink at Bemlement's right after filming our second season.
Speaker 1: All these actors taken over the part done them. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Well, folks, until that time. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Thank you, thank you. I Return
Speaker 1: to the Shadows is hosted and executive produced by Katherine
Speaker 1: McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our
Speaker 1: senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our
Speaker 1: producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia. Original music by
Speaker 1: Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katheryn McNamara.