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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting George Pickens, who is super

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Speaker 1: talented in Pittsburgh, but he's now a Dallas Cowboy, and

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Speaker 1: he had a comment yesterday listen to the of the

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Speaker 1: three head coaches he's had in his life, he conspicuously

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Speaker 1: leaves one out when he's talking about the new Cowboy gig.

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Speaker 3: He's probably one of the best coaches I've ever had around.

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Speaker 3: Definitely a size like Kirby Smart and a lot of

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Speaker 3: other legend coaches that I played for. But his energy,

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Speaker 3: like you said, his energy is like one of one.

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Speaker 3: I think I needed a first start, just in terms

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Speaker 3: of like you said, people not knowing me. I'm definitely

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Speaker 3: excited to run better plays for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I said this, like when you consider how

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Speaker 1: good the overall roster is and how good their defense is,

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Speaker 1: and a great defense we all know this helps an offense,

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Speaker 1: Like we all know that right gives you a better

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Speaker 1: field position. You can open up the playbook. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to get in shootouts and put your quarterback in

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Speaker 1: bad spots. Having a great defense, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: when Kansas City got off of Tyreek Hill, their defense

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Speaker 1: got better, and the defense they didn't have to have

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Speaker 1: great offensive firepower to get to Super Bowls. So a

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Speaker 1: defense helps an offense a lot. And so it's kind

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Speaker 1: of remarkable that the Steelers, with their good defense, their

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Speaker 1: offense is bottom of the league. That I mean, can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if their defense was bad? So they're kind

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Speaker 1: of a one sided franchise. And I asked Albert Breer,

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Speaker 1: who's at Vikings camp, what if this thing, I mean

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Speaker 1: quarterback right now for this team, Aaron Rodgers. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're all loading up on Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and DK metkev Jalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 2: What if it goes sideways? Is Mike Tomlin in trouble?

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to get fired, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I think everybody understands what the score is there.

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Speaker 4: This is one last run, maybe two last runs with

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Speaker 4: the core that they've built around guys like TJ. Watt

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Speaker 4: and Cam Hayward, and let's see if we can get

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Speaker 4: past the point where a nine or ten win team

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Speaker 4: sneaking into the playoffs and then losing our first playoff game.

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Speaker 4: I think whether it happens in twenty twenty six or

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Speaker 4: one of the operative questions on that, when you're looking

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Speaker 4: at it, is having a coach who's been there for

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Speaker 4: almost two decades.

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Speaker 2: Does he still want to be here?

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Speaker 5: Do we still want him here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the questions I think that have to be asked.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be about a five hundred

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Speaker 1: team nine to eight, eight to nine, and that's good

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Speaker 1: enough right for Pittsburgh now, but it's AFC man. You

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Speaker 1: start looking at the quarterbacks. We got about eight good ones,

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Speaker 1: all in their prime, and the Steels is in his forties.

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Speaker 1: There was a stat this week on the Show or

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Speaker 1: last week, late quarterbacks forty years of age or older

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Speaker 1: have won only twelve playoff games. Brady's got ten of

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Speaker 7: So ESPN ranked the top fifty NFL offseason moves.

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Speaker 2: Obviously everybody could get.

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Speaker 7: The first one, the Rams landing Devontae Adams clear number one.

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Speaker 7: Number two, Titans drafting Cam We're not a huge surprise there.

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Speaker 7: Number three, mild surprise. The Bears acquired Joe Tooney. That's

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Speaker 7: a good pick up. With the third best I was

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Speaker 7: a little surprise. And then you got the Raiders drafting

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Speaker 7: Gent I don't know if I agree, and then the

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Speaker 7: Commander's acquiring Laramy Tunsel. But we wanted to focus for

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Speaker 7: a second on Aaron Rodgers going to the Steelers. That

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Speaker 7: was graded out as the nineteen most important offseason move nineteen.

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Speaker 7: What does that say about how far Rodgers has fallen talent?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I think Cam Moore to the Titans,

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Speaker 1: I'd put number one. If he's as good as I

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Speaker 1: think because he will change outcomes. DeVante Adams is really good,

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Speaker 1: but he's not touching the ball. Pookinaku is on the

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Speaker 1: ESPN got it right. I agree with all five of those.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little different order. Yeah, I don't have any

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Speaker 1: He is a quarterback. He is going to take sixty

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a shot. Is you get

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Speaker 1: just not the same level of player.

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Speaker 7: Well, I guess one of the big pushbacks is, you know,

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Speaker 7: DeVante Adams doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Just catch passes.

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Speaker 7: You have to focus on him as a deep threat

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Speaker 2: He will make you change your.

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Speaker 7: Defense because last year Cooper Cup he.

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Speaker 2: Didn't totally do that.

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Speaker 7: I think people notice by the second half of the

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Speaker 7: season it just wasn't there for Cup. The injuries kind

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Speaker 7: of getting old. I think Adams totally changes a calculus.

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Speaker 7: This is a run first offense with Kyrid Williams right,

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Speaker 7: and Devonte's gonna he's gonna get a lot of open looks.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, overall, I think we largely agree.

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Speaker 1: Andrey Hudgers if Ashton gent for the Raiders is as

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Speaker 1: good as I think most people think, and I I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, if you're a running back and you

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Speaker 1: come out of Boise State, there's a lot of critics

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Speaker 1: think he's going to be with the upgrade, Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold are very similar players, kind of bombed early,

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Speaker 1: got the right staff reboot. Both are athletes with size.

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Speaker 1: If you pressure both, they make mistakes. They can get

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Speaker 1: a little reckless, but they're very besh solid quarterbacks. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you something. The Raiders are gonna beat Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers in Denver. They're gonna they're going to beat

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Speaker 2: What's their schedule look like?

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Speaker 7: But how about this Raiders division wins over under two

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Speaker 1: Well, I go under because that means they do split

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Speaker 2: I would go over.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I mean Ashton genty create force to one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty two misstackles. That was forty nine. Now, the

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Speaker 1: The one thing about him that there was very noticed.

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Speaker 2: He reminds me of a running back.

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Speaker 1: He's a combination of Robert Newhouse, who played for the

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Speaker 1: I would say Robert Newhouse and Barry Sanders. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the Raiders' schedule, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: Of I mean, let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: I get the Titans, the Colts, and the and the

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Speaker 1: Patriots early. That's that's there ease in your way, and

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Speaker 1: you get your buy in week eight.

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Speaker 2: Then the Jags.

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Speaker 7: Now, how about this, though you got a lot of

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Speaker 7: the back end twice. I don't like that at all. Anyways,

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Speaker 7: let's move on to the next one, Colin, and that's

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Speaker 7: the Commanders. Remember they got von Miller last week. He's

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Speaker 7: the great edg Rusher going to the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 7: Jaden Daniels. Here's his quote, you can't leave Josh Allen

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Speaker 7: Allen was the MVP of the league last year. I

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Speaker 7: feel like Jaden Daniels has MVP potential as well. That's

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Speaker 7: a great quote from bon Miller.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talk about this when you go from college,

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Speaker 1: what is your strength? And in year one or two

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Speaker 1: does your strength in college work in the pros? For instance,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel ran around in college, but he wasn't athletic

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Speaker 1: They're not athletic enough to run around like they did

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Speaker 2: That's where you know you have a star. Same with

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Speaker 1: His toughness and his ability to do pre snap greatness.

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Speaker 7: The final story, Colin. Now, I mentioned the Miami Dolphins earlier,

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Speaker 7: It's getting interesting. We just have audio here that just

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Speaker 2: Now just remember Tyreek basically suggested, I'm out. I don't

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Speaker 7: This is what Tua said this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's be totally honest. Tua's mature. Tyreek Hill is immature.

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Speaker 1: I never bought into He's gonna make Miami a Super

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Speaker 1: But Kansas City would not have moved off Calvin Johnson.

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Speaker 7: Team that makes sense, perhaps strong coach and strong quarterback

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Speaker 2: I've already got McLaurin and Debo. Devo's enough of the list. Well,

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Speaker 7: Deebo's heard a lot I'm just saying Washington's close, man,

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Speaker 2: J mckle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: Well, I've said it multiple times. I have Penn State

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Speaker 1: And Drew's nice enough to join us. Drew, it's great scene.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing it. Sure a busy guy. You're

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Speaker 2: I want to start with this.

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Speaker 1: So I watched you two years ago and I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he is.

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Speaker 1: Then I watched you last year. You were more athletic,

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Speaker 1: Where did you think you improved?

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Speaker 5: I think I we have the best training staff.

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Speaker 9: In the country at Penn State, and that's headed by

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Speaker 9: coach Losi, he did a phenomenal job with me. Going

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Speaker 5: It's always about the process.

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Speaker 1: So I watched the game last year. You completed seventeen

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Speaker 9: Not necessarily, But I mean, I'm super happy for Tyler

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Speaker 1: So one of the reasons I like you. Cam Ward,

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Speaker 1: So obviously, Arch Manning, you know, there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: What is your favorite part, Drew of your game? Like,

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Speaker 1: when you want I'm watching highlights, you made a throw

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Speaker 1: against Oregon that was insane, But is there something if

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Speaker 1: you're you're a humble kid, but is there something about

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Speaker 1: your game You're like, yeah, I think I'm pretty good

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Speaker 1: at this.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think the thing I'm most

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Speaker 9: excited about my game is I know I can make

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Speaker 9: any throw on the field against any coverage and that

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Speaker 9: sort of thing, like I could throw it side on

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Speaker 9: the sideline if I need to, as far as I

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Speaker 9: need to downfield. So I think just you know, that

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Speaker 9: ability that I've been blessed with, and just trying to

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Speaker 9: take advantage of all of that and really fine tuning

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Speaker 9: it so I can pull it out of my bag

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Speaker 9: whenever I need it in terms of, you know, just

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Speaker 9: ramping up my accuracy when I need to be more

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Speaker 9: accurate in times throughout games and throughout the season. So

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Speaker 9: I think the ability that I've been I've been blessed

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Speaker 9: with to make really any throw on the field from

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Speaker 9: any different platform that I'm able to. I think that's

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Speaker 9: my favorite part about my game because I've seen guys

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Speaker 9: like like you mentioned earlier, Mahomes and Josh Allen and

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Speaker 9: really all the NFL quarterbacks be able to do stuff

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Speaker 9: like that and something that you know, I take pride

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Speaker 9: and I definitely work on. But now it's just about

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Speaker 9: you know, working on it and also being accurate with

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Speaker 9: it and just pulling it out at the right times.

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Speaker 1: Finally, the Big Ten's got great rivalries. Everybody knows about

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Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State. Is there a game for you when

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Speaker 1: you look at the schedule or last year or this

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Speaker 1: year obviously Penn State and pitt But is there a

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Speaker 1: Big Ten team? I mean, you play Oregon, Northwestern, You're

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers. Who do

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Speaker 1: you view when you look at that schedule? Who gets

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Speaker 1: you amped up? Who do you get fired up about?

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Speaker 1: Just thinking about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 9: I'm to give a very cliche answer, but like for me,

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Speaker 9: it's all about playing football. I don't care who we're

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Speaker 9: playing or where we're playing, just the opportunity to put

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Speaker 9: on the Penn State blue and white and really strap

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Speaker 9: our homadow and play for coach Franklin and all the

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Speaker 9: coaches that we have on staff. Whenever I get the opportunity,

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Speaker 9: I'm not taking it for granted. Obviously, Like you said,

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Speaker 9: we have a lot of tough, big time opponents this year,

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Speaker 9: and I'm really looking forward to all of them because

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Speaker 9: they're all going to be very challenging. We have a

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Speaker 9: very deep conference in terms of talent and just coaching

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Speaker 9: staffs across the Big Ten, so I'm really excited for

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Speaker 9: every opportunity that we have to play in this fall.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're a good kid. Your mom and Dad, have

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Speaker 1: done a great job. You just keep getting better and better,

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Speaker 1: and we wish the very best of luck for the

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Speaker 1: Nitney Lions.

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Speaker 5: No, thank you, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Drew Aller who is I think he and arch Manning

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Speaker 1: Nuss myert lsu Kate Club Nick at Clemson's obviously very good.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fascinating year. It is a very

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Speaker 1: potentially and all those guys were productive last year, but

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Speaker 1: it pot there's a little bit, maybe not stylistically, there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Josh Allen in Drew Aller. Small school,

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Speaker 1: nobody paid attention, relatively unknown, you know, gets one or

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Speaker 1: two offers, accuracy issues, really good kid, committed. Now Josh

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Speaker 1: is more athletic in terms of jumping over people. He

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Speaker 1: wears the Superman cape. But they're like their games when

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Speaker 1: you watch them play, there's a little bit of a similarity.

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Speaker 1: Their size, both good arms, both big, both small towns,

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Speaker 1: both bumpy journeys. Didn't know much about him until like

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Speaker 1: their second year, third year in college. So interesting, really

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Speaker 1: really good kid.

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Speaker 2: You can tell.

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Speaker 1: Like this year's draft, I kept saying it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: great draft. There was one quarterback of note I'm already

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Speaker 1: jacked up for next year's draft.

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Speaker 2: All right, back in a second in Chicago, It's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch five editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley on the show, a lot of pressure on him.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching some other reasonably notable talking heads talking about

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 2: Is I think it's fair.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley inherited Bob Stew's momentumum program, and when eleven

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Speaker 1: games a year and there's no question he can coach,

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Speaker 1: That's not the question. I've watched every USC game of

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Speaker 1: note over the last three years.

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Speaker 2: He can coach.

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Speaker 1: But the question is, can you build a program that's different,

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Speaker 1: that's a different you know, that's the difference between being

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Speaker 1: a good podcaster and building a podcast empire.

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Speaker 2: Those are two different asks.

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Speaker 1: So I know on Lincoln Roddy can coach, and I

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Speaker 1: know he can recruit, But there is so much in

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Speaker 1: developing a program. It is relationships, the staff you hire,

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Speaker 1: developing players, recruiting players, you know, building his staff, Saban

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Saban would lose an offensive coordinator. He just

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Speaker 1: kept I mean, Jim mcelwaine, the nuss Meyer, Dasar to Kiffin,

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. He just kept nailing the other side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. So Lincoln can coach the game. Plans are smart,

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Speaker 1: his quarterbacks all work. The question becomes wow, and I

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Speaker 1: worry about it because I looked at the all first

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Speaker 1: team Big Ten selections. Indiana had four, iowad four US.

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Speaker 1: He had none. Now, I do think they have three

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Speaker 1: or four really good players that could make first team

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Speaker 1: after the season. But those are all fair questions about

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Speaker 1: Lincoln running.

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Speaker 2: Can he build his own program?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: In fairness, he won eleven games and a lot of

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Speaker 1: big games in Oklahoma, so it's not like he took

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Speaker 1: over for Bob Stoops and won eleven ten, nine eight.

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Speaker 2: They were really really good.

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Speaker 1: I was bringing him on the show because he was

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Speaker 1: so innovative offensively. All his quarterbacks became great transfer guys,

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Speaker 1: guys in the program. And he also took over a

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Speaker 1: mess at USC. I had somebody inside the program, not

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, tell me when they took it over, they

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Speaker 1: felt they had thirty five to thirty seven USC players

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Speaker 1: over half the roster shouldn't have been at USC. It

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Speaker 1: was a big lift it was. It wasn't a moderate lift.

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Speaker 1: It was a big, big lift. And so by the way,

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Speaker 1: it feels like kind of the lift Dabbo Shweeney had

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Speaker 1: to make when he got to Clemson. They weren't very good.

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Speaker 1: It took Dabbo three full recruiting classes. Now, the critics

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Speaker 1: of Lincoln Ronnie could say, well, he has the nil

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Speaker 1: that's fair. I said before in coach, can he build

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Speaker 1: his own program? Shovel in the ground. Four years later,

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Speaker 1: they're a major playoff team.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I think they're about an eight or nine win team.

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Speaker 1: A lot depends on the quarterback play. They finally have

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Speaker 1: an offensive line that I like with like NFL bodies,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. So it's we talked about this earlier today.

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Speaker 1: I think Jayden Daniels is its remarkable. He's the best

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback I've ever seen. That includes John Elway. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember much about his rookie season. I remember more

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Speaker 1: about the middle and end.

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Speaker 2: Of his career.

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Speaker 1: But he's the best rookie I've ever seen, better than

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Speaker 1: Andrew Locke and John Elway, who are both really good,

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Speaker 1: really smart, really athletic, but made a lot of mistakes

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Speaker 1: and threw a lot of picks.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do any of that.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason that Jaden Daniels has worked so successfully.

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Speaker 2: He gets rid of the ball quickly.

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Speaker 1: In fact, last year he got rid of the ball

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Speaker 1: second quickest in the league. And that's for a guy

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Speaker 1: that could tuck it and run. That is discipline, that

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Speaker 1: is cognitive ability. That kid could take off and run.

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Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm gonna get rid of the ball.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about a kid that is functioning above

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Speaker 1: the shoulders. And this was what Mahomes does. Mahomes could

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Speaker 1: take off and run every play. He does it about

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Speaker 1: three times a game. So Jaden's a guy that is

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Speaker 1: just different. He is different with his legs, his arm,

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Speaker 1: and upstairs. I mean he is functioning at a level

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Speaker 1: upstairs that just veterans don't do. Second quickest release that

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Speaker 1: is something for a rookie. That means he can see it,

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Speaker 1: let go of it.

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Speaker 2: And by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, there's a lot of guys's rookies that can't even

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Speaker 1: see it. They can't see the openings. He sees it

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Speaker 1: and lets it rip. So and it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: was watching a podcast called Pivot. Bill Belichick was on it,

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Speaker 1: and he was talking about Brady, and of all the

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Speaker 1: great things Brady did, it's the two things last year

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Speaker 1: that Jaden Daniels has already figured.

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Speaker 10: Out as a quarterback. We all know worse situation you

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Speaker 10: can be in a long yardage and so as long

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Speaker 10: as the ball moves forward, you stay out a long yardage.

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Speaker 10: And Tom did such a great job of not allowing

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Speaker 10: negative plays to happen to our offense. Number two. As

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Speaker 10: I've told Tom many times, Tom, we can't gain any

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Speaker 10: yards until you get rid of the ball. And then

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Speaker 10: of course he made, you know, great decisions under pressure

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Speaker 10: and had a tremendous ability to see the field and

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Speaker 10: understand situational football and make quick decisions under pressure.

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Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting The first two things he mentions

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Speaker 1: are no prestat penalties. We always went forward, and we

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Speaker 1: asked the goat to let let go of the ball quickly,

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Speaker 1: not to hold it. So again, Jaden Daniels, get that

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Speaker 1: thing out of your hands. That's where Caleb Williams has

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Speaker 1: to improve. I don't care about his total yards and

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Speaker 1: his touchdowns. I don't care let go of the ball,

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Speaker 1: he holds the ball. Some of that is hero ball.

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Speaker 1: I want to make a play, don't it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You can do a little bit of that Cam did,

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Speaker 1: Big Ben did. Your career will be short. So he

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Speaker 1: just got Now you can blame the offensive line. But

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel Beck and others including Greg Cosel, came on

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Speaker 1: this show and said, don't blame the on line for

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Speaker 1: all of it. He's holding the ball too long. And

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Speaker 1: so here's the other thing to remember. Our staff found

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Speaker 1: this stat if you go look at Caleb Williams numbers

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Speaker 1: last year, j Mac, this is interesting. When he held

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Speaker 1: the ball under two and a half seconds, his passer

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Speaker 1: rating was ninety nine. Over two and a half it

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Speaker 1: was eighty one. So meaning the best stuff, the fruit

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Speaker 1: on the limb, is on getting rid of the ball quickly.

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Speaker 1: So you think to yourself, now I'm going to hold it.

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Speaker 1: Let the play develop. Know the play deteriorates, protection deterior rates.

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Speaker 1: Take it one thousand and one, one thousand and two

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Speaker 1: letter rip. That's what Jayden Daniels did, It's what Caleb

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Speaker 1: didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the habit because.

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Speaker 1: In high school and college Caleb's like I'm a hold

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Speaker 1: of a beat and you win Lamar Jackson had a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that as rookie year first two years.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to hold it a beat.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that works in high school, in college, and it

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Speaker 1: works in the NFL a little, but you will take

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Speaker 1: a beating. And Lamar, what did he do about year

651
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Speaker 1: three in the league. He put on weight and he

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Speaker 1: ran less. It's like you figure, Michael Vick told me, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got hit by London Fletcher. I've decided to get

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Speaker 1: better in the pocket like that. That's just the real

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Speaker 1: I think it was London Fletcher. That's just the reality

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Speaker 1: of the position.

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Speaker 2: It didn't Caleb say.

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Speaker 7: He was watching film by himself last year in Chicago.

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Speaker 7: He just wasn't getting the support from the staff. That's

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Speaker 7: the kind of thing like go in watch the film,

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Speaker 7: hey man quick reads. You know who's really good at

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Speaker 7: processing and getting rid of the football?

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Speaker 2: Rock Perdy. Look at him in the pocket. He's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Just dropped the back bing bang boom.

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Speaker 7: Now you could argue that's the Shanahan system. Fine, I

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Speaker 7: believe that. But Ben Johnson and Goff, you know, GoF

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Speaker 7: got rid of it quick in Detroit. Now, he did

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Speaker 7: have a great offensive line. I think there's a world

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Speaker 7: where Caleb is excellent this year and does the things

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Speaker 7: he needs and avoid sacks and gets rid of the floor.

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Speaker 2: You no, Goff, you could look this up.

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Speaker 1: Goff may have had five or six games, or he

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Speaker 1: completed eighty percent of his throws.

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Speaker 2: Why see it spin? It just don't. Sometimes you just

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Speaker 2: you can't.

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Speaker 1: And I understand how golf is not golf, and Brady,

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Speaker 1: you're not super athletic, So I understand they understand get

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Speaker 1: it out. I do think it's harder if you're Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: or you're Josh Allen, or you're Maholmes, or you're Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: Well you can actually tuck it and run and pick up.

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Speaker 2: A lot of yards like it is.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's harder for the athlete quarterback to

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Speaker 1: just always want to get rid of it fast because

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Speaker 1: you've had because you had so much success tucking it

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Speaker 1: and running it.

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Speaker 7: You know, sometimes, Colin, when I get to the line

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Speaker 7: of scrimmage here on the set, I've got to read

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Speaker 7: the defense that would be you, the topic before right,

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Speaker 7: the topic that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: I know your takes.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot that goes into processing here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it just like Caleb, you need to let

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Speaker 1: go really quickly, get out of the plane very