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Speaker 1: we're bringing you another classic that you simply cannot find

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Speaker 1: cryptic references and said, hey, let's let's actually do a

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Speaker 1: talk about all those rumors that you've been hearing about

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Speaker 1: this elusive group or perhaps group. Do you think we

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Speaker 1: do any spot on German accents in this episode? Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: you know what? Wait for it, wait for it, wait

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Speaker 1: for it. You know, no, all of the three of us,

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Speaker 1: definitely the Edward Bernese of this episode. Uh. We find

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions. We find questions we weren't expecting,

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Speaker 1: Uh And spoiler alert, it turns out that whether or

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Speaker 1: not there's a real Illuminati, whatever you think, that means,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking too much. We'll see. And just before we

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Speaker 1: secret society today. They want you, they need you, but

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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Illumination Global Unlimited

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Speaker 1: from UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: In a world where less than one percent of the

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Speaker 1: entire human race, what can one man do? So that's

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Speaker 1: like my film intro and then this, yeah you like,

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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure out who will play the

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Speaker 1: protagonists in this movie about somebody fighting. The topic of

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Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage, Yeah, you know what, not a bad pick

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Speaker 1: name is Ben Bolan. Oh, my name is Matt Frederick,

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Speaker 1: and today we're here to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the Illuminati. By far, one of the most prevalent conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 1: um ever really, Uh, the the Illuminati is something that

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Speaker 1: we have three three part series on that. We officially

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Speaker 1: the Illuminati in the music industry that you can find. Yes,

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Speaker 1: great point, Matt, and our series on the Illuminati covers

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