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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hey Molly Conger here. I know I

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Speaker 1: left you with a bit of a cliffhanger last week,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry I don't have the second half

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Speaker 1: it was the subject matter of giving me a stomach

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Speaker 1: to in the time that I had left after I

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Speaker 1: finished puking. That'll have to wait until next week. So

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Speaker 1: we've got to rerun this week. But don't switch it

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Speaker 1: off just yet. I do have a little update to

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Speaker 1: the episode for you here at the top. The episode

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Speaker 1: originally ran a month ago, so it may still be

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Speaker 1: fresh in your mind. It's the story of Matthew Huddle,

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Speaker 1: the January sixth writer who was shot and killed during

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Speaker 1: a traffic stock just days after he received his federal pardon.

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Speaker 1: And when I wrote it was a lot of unanswered questions.

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Speaker 1: We have some of those answers. Now Here's where I

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Speaker 1: left things a month ago. It's unwise to speculate about

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Speaker 1: the altercation that may have occurred in the minutes before

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Speaker 1: Huddle was shot and killed by a Jasper County Sheriff's deputy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there on the side of

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Speaker 1: or why things escalated, or where exactly the deputy saw

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Speaker 1: the gun. But I do know that Matthew Huddle was

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Speaker 1: due back in court next week for a status conference

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Speaker 1: on a stack of still unresolved felony cases for driving

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Speaker 1: without a license, just days after getting his federal pardon.

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Speaker 1: He was probably happy for his uncle Dale, but he'd

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Speaker 1: already done his federal time, and now he was looking

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Speaker 1: and when those blue lights came on behind him, he

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Speaker 1: probably knew that this would be yet another felony charge.

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Speaker 1: After the episode originally aired, I saw some listeners expressing displeasure,

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Speaker 1: discussed even that I'd framed his story as a tragic one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not here how to tell you how you should feel.

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Speaker 1: That's your business, But for me, his story is sad.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't an evil man. I wouldn't go as far

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Speaker 1: a slew of dyse. He had some history of domestic

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Speaker 1: violence allegations and a stint in jail for child abuse.

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Speaker 1: He stormed the capitol. He owed a lot of child support.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a person I would have liked,

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Speaker 1: but he was also a man who struggled with alcohol addiction,

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Speaker 1: and regardless of what he'd done, his death left two

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Speaker 1: children without any chance of ever reconciling with their father.

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Speaker 1: And for me least, there's never any peace in knowing

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Speaker 1: a person's life ended violently, particularly when the cause of

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Speaker 1: death was a bullet from a police officer's gun. I

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Speaker 1: have to believe that people can change that. Redemption and

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Speaker 1: atonement are always possible for those who sincerely strive to

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Speaker 1: earn that. But a dead man cannot make amends. That

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Speaker 1: possibility is gone now, and that makes it a tragedy

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Speaker 1: in my mind. But however you feel about the way

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Speaker 1: some answers now that the Jasper County Sheriff's Office has

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Speaker 1: released the body camera footage of the traffic stop that

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Speaker 1: led to the fatal shooting, and it is, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, exactly what I thought it would be. The

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Speaker 1: deputy stopped Huddle for speeding, both his pending felony cases

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Speaker 1: for driving without a license. Getting caught doing it again

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Speaker 1: would lead to even more felony charges and even more

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Speaker 1: The footage of the traffic stop shows it was all

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Speaker 2: Hello, hang on, good, how are you today? Pretty well?

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm pulling yours for seventy and fifty five?

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Speaker 1: Any reason we're going.

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Speaker 1: I'll just keeping on the traffic okay, okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: You got your license and registration on you?

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Speaker 2: How can I put in par Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Huddle had been pulled over for speeding. The deputy

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Speaker 1: was in good spirits and he wasn't approaching the car confrontationally.

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Speaker 2: I just want to let you know that I'm a

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Speaker 2: January sixth defendant.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean I stormed the cap.

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Speaker 2: I'm winning on my pardon really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can't really afford to getting in each

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Speaker 3: Okay, I understand, Okay, I understand.

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Speaker 2: I am driving a lot of license right now. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Then? And early in the interaction, as he's producing his

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Speaker 2: However, your habitual traffic violator I know, which means.

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Speaker 1: That you are at a felony status for driving while suspended.

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Speaker 2: So today you are going to come with me. Well

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Speaker 2: I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to. Okay, you're gonna go with me today?

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Speaker 2: going to have to come, can I get it right? No?

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Speaker 1: And at this point Huddle looks visibly distressed. He looks

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Speaker 1: And as the officer starts to ask him to turn

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Speaker 1: deputy cries out again, no, no, no. It's just ten

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Speaker 1: can't see most of what's actually happening. You can't see

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Speaker 1: then it's over. The State Police investigation into the incident

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor's Office for independent review. They found the deputy's actions

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Speaker 1: were legally justifiable under Indiana state law, and no charges

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Speaker 1: will be filed. Matthew Huddle is dead. We can't know

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Speaker 1: We can't know if he would have made amends, paid

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Speaker 1: ecosystem that has now made him a martyr. We'll never know,

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Speaker 1: because he died there on the side of State Road fourteen.

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Speaker 1: That's the end of his story. And here's the episode

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Speaker 1: Little Guys. On January twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. Matthew

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Speaker 1: Huddle died. That much we know for certain. Usually I

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Speaker 1: tell you a story that's old enough that the ink

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Speaker 1: The reports are in, the motions have been filed, argued,

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Speaker 1: That's not the case today. As I'm writing this. There

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Speaker 1: are still questions left unanswered. There is a state police

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Speaker 1: Matthew Huddle is dead.

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Speaker 3: That much we know.

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Speaker 1: Just days before he died, he'd gotten some long awaited

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Speaker 1: good news. His uncle Dale was coming home. Both men

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Speaker 1: were among the nearly sixteen hundred people pardoned by Donald

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Speaker 1: but when the pardons came through, Dale Huddle was just

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Speaker 3: On the afternoon that he.

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Speaker 1: Died, Matthew Huddle was driving somewhere in Jasper County, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where he was going, but I do

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Speaker 1: know he wasn't supposed to be driving, and according to

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Speaker 1: the Jasper County Sheriff, he was speeding. I can only

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Speaker 1: life will eventually be settled in some sort of official report.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll release the deputy's body worn camera footage. Maybe

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Speaker 1: his family will file a lawsuit. The final page hasn't

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Speaker 1: been written yet. I don't have the answers. All I

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Speaker 1: have is a sad story, but a man who believed

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Speaker 1: Road fourteen. I'm Molly Conger, his weird little guys. At

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Speaker 1: noon on January sixth, twenty twenty one, President Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: took the stage at the Ellipse, a generally unremarkable patch

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Speaker 1: of grass between the White House and the Washington Monument.

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Speaker 1: More than fifty thousand of his supporters had been standing

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Speaker 1: out in the cold all morning waiting to hear from him.

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Speaker 1: For months, he'd stoked the fires of a growing conspiracy

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Speaker 1: the election had been stolen. He gave speeches, held rallies,

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Speaker 1: fired off late night tweets, and filed lawsuits for those

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Speaker 1: who wanted to believe. There seemed to be mountains of

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Speaker 1: evidence of a deep and systemic rot. But the lawsuits

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Speaker 1: Today was the day that Congress would have the final

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Speaker 1: say in the twenty twenty election, and less than two

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Speaker 1: them heard the permission they'd been waiting for.

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Speaker 1: of how one of them ended up dead. Matthew Huddle

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Speaker 1: The reason given in the court documents is that Dale,

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Speaker 5: Matt is not a true believer in any political movement.

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Speaker 1: At this point, the crowd was starting to press forward

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Speaker 1: head up to the third floor, he was actually trying

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Speaker 1: to divert them away from members of Congress, who he

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Speaker 1: assumed were already being evacuated through the underground tunnels either way, though,

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Speaker 1: that is a curious level of insight into the building's

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Speaker 1: floor plans for a man who said he was just

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Speaker 1: somebody else's ride. After getting maced again, the novelty of

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Speaker 1: being inside the building seemed to have.

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Speaker 3: Been wearing off.

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Speaker 1: Officers were relatively futilely trying to convince people to leave,

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Speaker 1: trying to direct them down a hallway and towards an exit,

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00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: and Huddle says into his video that he has a

447
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: bad feeling about that that might be a trap, so

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00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: he found his way to a different exit. Outside, he

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Speaker 1: found his uncle Dale again, and the two men just

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Speaker 1: hung around outside on the Capitol grounds for a few hours,

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Speaker 1: and then they went home. In the days after the

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Speaker 1: Huddles returned home to Indiana, the FBI set to work

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Speaker 1: identifying the rioters. Those who assaulted federal officers were understandably

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Speaker 1: a high priority, and the bureau released images of those suspects,

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Speaker 1: each identified by the letters AFO for assault on a

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Speaker 1: Federal Officer and given a unique number. Just three months

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Speaker 1: after the riot, photos of AFO two nine to nine

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Speaker 1: went up on the FBI's website. Over the next few months,

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Speaker 1: more than a dozen tips came in about AFO two

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Speaker 1: nine nine, but none of.

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Speaker 3: Them were right.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it was facial recognition that got Dale Huddle.

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Speaker 1: The charging documents just say that law enforcement databases were

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Speaker 1: used to match the images to his passport photos, and

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Speaker 1: by August, FBI agents were watching dale Huddle. They surveilled

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Speaker 1: him at his home and his workplace several times in

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Speaker 1: late twenty twenty one. In March of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: they approached his boss, who identified Dale in several photos

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Speaker 1: from the riot and provided record showing he'd taken off

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Speaker 1: work the week of January sixth, twenty twenty one. Both

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Speaker 1: Matthew and Dale Huddle were eventually charged and arrested. In

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Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty two. Dale was picked up in

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Speaker 1: the parking lot on his way into work one morning,

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Speaker 1: and Matthew was, for reasons not entirely clear to me,

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Speaker 1: arrested in Boise, Idaho, and both men would eventually take

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Speaker 1: plea agreements. Just like over a thousand others of the

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Speaker 1: approximately thirteen hundred January sixth defendants who'd been convicted before

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Speaker 1: those blanket pardons, Matthew pled guilty to a single misdemeanor

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Speaker 1: count of entering and remaining in a restricted building and

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Speaker 1: was sentenced to six months. He finished serving that sentence

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Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty four. Dale bled guilty to

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Speaker 1: a single felony account of assaulting an officer with a

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Speaker 1: dangerous weapon, specifically for jabbing that officer with his flagpole

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Speaker 1: during the struggle on the stairs. He was sentenced to

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Speaker 1: thirty months in July twenty twenty four, meaning he was

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Speaker 1: one of about two hundred January sixth defendants who were

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Speaker 1: actually still in federal custody at the time of the pardons.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, almost everyone who was convicted led guilty.

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Speaker 1: Actually going to trial in a federal criminal case is

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Speaker 1: pretty rare, a fact we've talked about before in other episodes.

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Speaker 1: It's not really a good system. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure to take a plea deal, and that may not

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Speaker 1: always be fair. In Dale's case, though, I think the

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Speaker 1: plea was absolutely the right call. A few days after

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Speaker 1: his arrest, after he'd been released on bond, a CBS

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Speaker 1: News reporter from Chicago knocked on his door in a

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Speaker 1: conversation that lasted more than seven minutes, Much to his

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Speaker 1: attorney's dismay. I'm sure the reporter pulled out a printed

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Speaker 1: copy of the criminal complaint.

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Speaker 4: They're saying that that this is you, that you know

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Speaker 4: you have a flag pole, and that you're assaulting an officer.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they were trying to take the pole

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Speaker 2: from me, the flag from me. As you can see,

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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: they're bent over backwards trying to get the pole away.

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Speaker 2: That's what looks like an attack. It was not that thought. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying in court you'd like to see video.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will see testimony and body camps as well.

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Speaker 4: But you you agree this is you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay. I'm not ashamed of being there. It was

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Speaker 2: our duty as patriots.

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Speaker 1: First of all, never admit to a crime on camera,

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Speaker 1: even if you don't think you're guilty of it. Don't

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Speaker 1: say you did it, don't talk to the reporter. And

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Speaker 1: second of all, I'm not sure they were trying to

515
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Speaker 1: take my flag is a great defense given the context here.

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Speaker 1: Even if this picture did show an off trying to

517
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Speaker 1: take Dale's flagpole away from him, it's not like he

518
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: was taking candy from a baby. Dale Huddle was not

519
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: the only man out there that day using his American

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Speaker 1: flag as a deeply ironic weapon. A link the criminal

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Speaker 1: complaint in the show notes, and you can see the

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Speaker 1: picture they're talking about on the second page. The officer

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Speaker 1: is leaning back, almost as if he could be engaging

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Speaker 1: in a sort of tug of war over the flagpole.

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Speaker 1: But Dale's right about one thing. Pictures can be deceiving.

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Speaker 1: The officer isn't leaning back, He's falling down because an

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Speaker 1: old man poked him hard on the torso with a

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Speaker 1: big stick. And while Matthew's lawyers had argued that their

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Speaker 1: client had no real opinion on the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 1: one way or the other, that he simply found himself there,

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Speaker 1: Dale's lawyers did have to concede that he was a

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Speaker 1: true believer. In an on camera interview right after his arrest,

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Speaker 1: he told the reporter that he still believed the election

534
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Speaker 1: had been stolen and he believed he'd been following a

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Speaker 1: lawful order from his president.

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Speaker 4: And do you believe that Trump invited you there and

537
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Speaker 4: that he wanted you to overthrow He.

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Speaker 2: Invited us to go down there. Issue seen out film,

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Speaker 2: Let your voices be heard, Okay, but do you think

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Speaker 2: he encouraged violence? Well, I just sat there or stood

541
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Speaker 2: there with half a million people listening to his speech,

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Speaker 2: and in that speech, both Giuliani and hisself said, we

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Speaker 2: were going to have to fight like hell to save

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Speaker 2: our country. Okay, Now, rather it was a figure of

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Speaker 2: speech or not, It wasn't taken.

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Speaker 4: That way, right, You didn't take it as a figure

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Speaker 4: of speech.

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Speaker 1: No, So they couldn't really say that he didn't mean it,

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Speaker 1: and instead they argued that he'd been tricked. He was

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Speaker 1: seventy years old in twenty twenty one. He was a

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Speaker 1: blue collar worker who didn't even own a computer. From

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Speaker 1: the defense sentencing memo, he is.

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Speaker 5: Not knowledgeable about the Internet. He was not aware that

554
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Speaker 5: Facebook and other social media platforms use machine learning algorithms

555
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 5: to individualize ads and to dictate content based on previous cliques.

556
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Speaker 5: Mister Huddle believed that the news he was reading was

557
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Speaker 5: covering the general scope of mainstream media and that it

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Speaker 5: was a representation of current events. From his viewpoint, the

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Speaker 5: vast majority of the media agreed that the democratic process

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Speaker 5: had been undermined by fraud.

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Speaker 1: And I don't doubt that he and many men just

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Speaker 1: like him have absolutely rotted their brains on Facebook clickbait, right,

563
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Speaker 1: wing news. I have no trouble believing that he was

564
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Speaker 1: trapped in a cycle of seeing nothing but memes where

565
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: a minion in a maga hat is spreading election misinformation

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Speaker 1: or links to stories on sites called patriot windnews dot

567
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Speaker 1: biz with headlines like deep state destroyed, new election lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: bombshell rocks DC swamp. I have a separate email account

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Speaker 1: where I get one hundred emails that look like that

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Speaker 1: every single day. I know exactly what his Facebook feed

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Speaker 1: looked like, so that part's probably true.

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Speaker 3: But I wish that.

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Speaker 1: The government, with their vast investigative resources, had dug into

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Speaker 1: a curious incident in Dale's past, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: this was the first time that Dale Huddle got worked

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Speaker 1: up about the need to go to war with the government. Now,

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Speaker 1: to be clear, dale Huddle had no criminal history.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: The government didn't miss something that egregious. And I'm even

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Speaker 1: willing to believe the defense memo is being truthful when

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Speaker 1: they say that at seventy years old, Dale wasn't a

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Speaker 1: member of any extremist groups.

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Speaker 3: But I found a.

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Speaker 1: Picture, a single photograph taken on November fourteenth, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and if I had the kinds of resources that the

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Speaker 1: government has. I would have tried to find out more

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Speaker 1: about this picture. It's just one picture in the newspaper

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Speaker 1: snap by an Associated Press photographer, and it's a picture

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Speaker 1: of Dale Huddle with a flag. Unlike the photo of

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Speaker 1: Dale using an American flag as a weapon on January sixth,

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Speaker 1: this photo shows a slightly younger Dale Huddle and he's

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to affix his Gadsden flag,

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Speaker 1: you know, the one with the snake that doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be stepped on, and he's trying to affix it

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Speaker 1: to the window of a church. November fourteenth, two thousand,

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Speaker 1: was the first day of a ninety two day standoff

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Speaker 1: with US Marshalls at the Indianapolis Baptist Temple. After years

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Speaker 1: of litigation, a federal judge had finally given the order

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Speaker 1: for the church to vacate the premises. For seventeen years,

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Baptist Temple, under Pastor Greg Dixon, had not

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Speaker 1: been paying its taxes. You're probably saying, wait, I thought

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Speaker 1: churches were tax exempt, and they are. That's true. Churches

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Speaker 1: aren't generally speaking automatically exempt from federal income tax, but

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Speaker 1: if they have paid employees.

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Speaker 3: They still have to withhold.

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Speaker 1: And remit employment tax, and the Indianapolis Baptist Temple had

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Speaker 1: been refusing to do that since nineteen eighty four, and

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Speaker 1: so by the year two thousand they owed the irs

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Speaker 1: over six million dollars.

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Speaker 3: And this was an intentional, deliberate act.

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Speaker 1: They didn't forget that they had to do payroll tax.

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Speaker 1: They didn't make a mistake. The church had originally been

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Speaker 1: incorporated in nineteen fifty and for almost thirty four years

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Speaker 1: the church had a valid employer identification number. They filed

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Speaker 1: paperwork with the state to keep their corporate entity in

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Speaker 1: good standing. They paid employment taxes to the federal government.

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Speaker 3: And then in.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty three, Greg Dixon, who'd been the pastor at

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Speaker 1: the church since nineteen fifty five, changed his mind. He

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Speaker 1: transferred all of the church's assets into an unincorporated religious society,

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Speaker 1: and then he changed the corporation's name, which had previously

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Speaker 1: been Indianapolis Baptist Temple, he changed it to Not a

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Speaker 1: Church Incorporated, and so the church itself no longer exists

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Speaker 1: on paper at all, and Dixon is using this not

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Speaker 1: a Church corporate entity to run a group called the

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Speaker 1: American Coalition for Unregistered Churches. It would later be known

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Speaker 1: as the Unregistered Baptist Fellowship.

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Speaker 3: Greg Dixon believed that doing.

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Speaker 1: Business with the federal government was against his religion. Having

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Speaker 1: to do things like tell the irs that your church

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Speaker 1: would like to be recognized as a five to one

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Speaker 1: C three tax exempt entity or filing paperwork with the

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Speaker 1: state actually contravenes the authority of Christ, and if you

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Speaker 1: make him do it, you're violating his religious liberty. The

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Speaker 1: unregistered Church movement wasn't just refusing to pay their taxes.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to avoid almost any contact with the government.

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Speaker 1: Churches shouldn't have to abide by building codes or zoning laws,

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Speaker 1: or get fire inspections. Babies shouldn't have birth certificates. A

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00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: wedding shouldn't involve a marriage license. In fact, no one

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Speaker 1: should have any kind of license. Many of the articles

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Speaker 1: I found about this movement make sure to add that

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Speaker 1: they do believe that they can use the United States

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Speaker 1: Postal Service, but it is a sin to use zip codes.

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Speaker 1: The almost complete overlap of guys who don't want to

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Speaker 1: pay their taxes and guys who are willing to take

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Speaker 1: up arms against the government is something else surely explore

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Speaker 1: in depth in an episode dedicated to some character in

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Speaker 1: the tax protester movement, but the reason for it is

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Speaker 1: probably pretty obvious, and Pastor Greg Dixon wasn't just refusing.

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Speaker 3: To pay his taxes. He wanted war.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, Greg Dixon gave a speech at

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Speaker 1: an event nicknamed the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous after the siege

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Speaker 1: at Ruby Ridge, a Christian identity preacher in Colorado put

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Speaker 1: out the call the disparate elements of the radical right

655
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: needed to put their heads together and come up with

656
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: a strategy. Klansmen, Neo Nazis, anti Semitic pastors, militia leaders,

657
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Neo Confederates, tax protesters, bigots, and anti government extremists of

658
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: all stripes in Colorado, and all the big names were there.

659
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: Willie Muther, Peers from National Alliance, Richard Butler from Arian Nations,

660
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: Louis Beam, Kirk Lyons, James Wickstrom. As Kathleen Blue wrote

661
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: in her book Bring the War Home, the militia movement

662
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: as we know it today emerged from the leaders, organizations,

663
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: and tactics of white power organization, and this meeting is

664
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: widely regarded as the birthplace of the modern American militia movement,

665
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: and so at the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous, just before Louis

666
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Beam's speech about leaderless resistance, Pastor Greg Dixon took the

667
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: stage to call for the establishment of Christian militias, declaring

668
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: we are at war. And Greg Dixon was hardly new

669
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: to organized racism. In the nineteen seventies, his church had

670
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: hosted meetings of a group called Americans for America, a

671
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: KKK affiliated organization that opposed school integration. Indiana's Grand Dragon

672
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: Bill Cheney was a member of the congregation, but in

673
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: the early nineties he was at the bleeding edge of

674
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: a new frontier in white power. All that to say,

675
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: this old picture of dale Huddle outside of a church

676
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: might sound terribly innocuous. Maybe that's his church, and maybe

677
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: he didn't know why his pastor wasn't paying his taxes,

678
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: but it was not. Dale Huddle isn't even Baptist. He

679
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: grew up Lutheran but has been a member of a

680
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: non denominational megachurch called the Family Christian Center since nineteen

681
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Ever since his mother died. No, dale Huddle

682
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: had no direct connection to this church that I can find.

683
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: But a call had been put out. In September of

684
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: two thousand. After years in court, a judge gave the

685
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: order they had until noon on November fourteenth to get

686
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: out of the building. The government was taking possession of

687
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: the property, and US Marshals were authorized to use force

688
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: if necessary. Michigan Militia leader Norman Olsen ordered militias around

689
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: the country to do their duty and defend the church,

690
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: telling his followers that this was going to be Waco

691
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Part two. Charlie Puckett of the Kentucky Militia was there

692
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: on November fourteenth. As congregants waited for the US marshals

693
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: to arrive and with news crews rolling in the parking lot,

694
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: Pastor Dixon asked the contingent of Klansmen who showed up

695
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: to support him to maybe stay outside the church, but

696
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: he didn't ask them to leave or disavow their support,

697
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: and that's when this photo was taken. On November fourteenth,

698
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: two thousand, parking lot full of Klansmen, Militia men standing by,

699
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: and Dale huddles outside the Indianapolis Baptist Temple trying to

700
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: figure out how to hang a Gadsden flag on the windows.

701
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: He'd driven two hours from his home in Crown Point,

702
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: and there was no Facebook in two thousand. He didn't

703
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: see a meme that convinced him to go to Indianapolis.

704
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: There's no indication that he was a member of any

705
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: of the militia or clan groups that were there that day,

706
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: but it does seem quite possible that he got the

707
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: same message they did about showing up for Waco Part two.

708
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: And just so this threat isn't left hanging, the big

709
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: crowd that showed up on day one of the standoff

710
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: got board and went home. US marshals obviously did not

711
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: want Waco Part two, so they just kept their distance

712
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: and waited them out. It took three months, but in

713
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: February of two thousand and one they did seize the building.

714
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: No one was injured, but Greg Dixon was carried out

715
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: on a stretcher because he refused to walk. So that's

716
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: a rather lengthy aside just to contextualize a single twenty

717
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: five year old photograph that doesn't prove anything at all,

718
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: but it left me wondering if the US Marshals had

719
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: taken a heavier handed approach at the Indianapolis Baptist Temple

720
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: would I be looking at two photos twenty years apart

721
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: of Dale Huddle trying to skewer a cop with a flagpole.

722
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: His lawyers argued that he was just a confused old

723
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: man who didn't know how to use the internet, and

724
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: he got tricked into believing he needed to go to

725
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: DC to stop the steal. But the possibility that twenty

726
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: years earlier, some militia newsletter tricked him into thinking he

727
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: needed to stop a different theft, that of church property

728
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: by the IR, really changes the story for me. Back

729
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, though, after the riote of the Capitol,

730
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: Matthew Huddle was just living his life as usual. Matthew

731
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Huddle's life as usual involved getting charged three separate times

732
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: between July and November for driving with a suspended license

733
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: as a habitual offender whose driving privileges had been revoked

734
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: after repeated d uise. Each new offense of this kind

735
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: was a felony. In August of that year, his son's

736
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: mother died of a drug overdose. He filed for bankruptcy

737
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: that same week, and filing show he owed more than

738
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand dollars in child support to a different woman,

739
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: the mother of his daughter. Neither of those children were

740
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: in Matthew's custody after his conviction. In his January sixth case,

741
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: his lawyers wrote that he had a quote great relationship

742
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: with his son. I hope that's true, and even if

743
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: it's not, my heart breaks for a teenage boy who

744
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: lost his mother to an overdose in twenty twenty one,

745
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: he saw his father go to prison in twenty twenty three,

746
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: and then he lost his father entirely just last month.

747
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: But great is the only word used there to describe

748
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: a relationship that I suspect may have been more complicated

749
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: than that. In two thousand and nine, Matthew Huddle flew

750
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: into a rage after his son, who was just three

751
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: years old at the time, had what court records describe

752
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: as a bathroom accident. It's a very normal thing for

753
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: a three year old to do at that age. You're

754
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: still sending a change of pants with them to school

755
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: just in case. What's not normal, though, is beating a

756
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: toddler so severely that he can't sit down for a week.

757
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: And the court records call it a spanking. But nothing

758
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: I could find offered me any kind of explanation for

759
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: how a spanking could leave bruises on a child's neck.

760
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: After Huddle died last week, several the articles I read

761
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: about his death quoted an attorney who'd been representing him

762
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: in his dui cases for nearly twenty years, and his

763
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: lawyer says that the man he'd known was not violent.

764
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you call this, I guess

765
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: in that lawyer's defense, it does look like he'd hired

766
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: a different attorney when he was charged with beating his

767
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: son and his son's mother. After Matthew Huddle blood guilty

768
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three to that single misdemeanor charge of

769
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: entering and remaining in a restricted building on January sixth,

770
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: his lawyers asked for a sentence of probation with no

771
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: jail time. They cited his lack of ideological motivation for

772
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: being there, his need to be there for his children,

773
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: and his tragic backstory and struggle with alcoholism. And there

774
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: is a strange and tragic backstory here, but they don't

775
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: actually get into it in this court filing. This part

776
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: I pieced together from state court records, old newspapers.

777
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: And Facebook posts.

778
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: After serving his sentence for meeting his son, he was

779
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: released from jail in twenty thirteen, and he very quickly

780
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: took up with a new girlfriend. Based on the apparent

781
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: age of a photo of their daughter that he posted

782
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: online in twenty fifteen, she had to have been pregnant

783
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: with Huddle's child before she ended her marriage to another man.

784
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: I have said this before, comes up often oddly, but

785
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. Her infidelity is between her,

786
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: her husband, and her boyfriend. I only mention it because

787
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: of a curious coincidence of dates. The same week her

788
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: divorce was finalized, someone shot Matthew Huddle. There's a single

789
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: mention in the local newspaper in Febuary twenty fifteen, just

790
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: a few days after his daughter's mother finalized her divorce,

791
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: that Huddle had been shot in what was only described

792
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: as quote an incident between family members, and the article

793
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: quotes an officer who says that no one was taken

794
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: into custody at this time, and he wouldn't say how

795
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: the shooter was related to the victim. I couldn't find

796
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: any court records that indicated the charges were ever filed

797
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: against anyone, but I could only check the names I

798
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: thought of his suspects. So it's a bit of a

799
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: needle in a haystack, whoever it was, though someone close

800
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: to him shot Matthew in the back of the knee

801
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: and left him with a lifelong injury, and three years later,

802
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, he was asleep in his bed when

803
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: he woke up to two men beating him with baseball

804
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: bats and hammers. The local newspaper reported the attack was

805
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: motivated by a child custody dispute. One of the assailants,

806
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: Kurt Falkenberg, was in a relationship with the mother of

807
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: Huddle's son. The other man was Falkenberg's uncle, Jeffrey Martin,

808
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: though the two men were only a few years apart

809
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: in age, and the men focused their blows on Huddle's

810
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: left leg because they knew he had a metal rod

811
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: in there from the surgeries he'd gotten after getting shot

812
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: in the leg in his last domestic dispute. Much like

813
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: the story of Matthew and Dale Huddle, this story of

814
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: a very stupid crime committed by an uncle and a

815
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: nephew ends tragically. As Falkenberg and Martin fled the scene,

816
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: they crashed. Falkenberg, who had been driving, was pronounced dead

817
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: at the scene. Officers responding to the car accident which

818
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: put another driver in the hospital with two broken legs,

819
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: found an open bottle of whiskey in Falkenburg's car, and

820
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: they eventually found Jeffrey Martin passed out drunk in a

821
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: creek bed on the side of the road. The following year,

822
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, Matthew Huddle was diagnosed with cirrhosis of

823
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: the liver. Twenty years of alcoholism had finally caught up

824
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: to him. The dui he got that summer was the

825
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: one that put him back in jail until shortly before

826
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: he drove to Washington, d C. In January of twenty

827
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: twenty one. Now I've read a lot of sentencing memos.

828
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: That's the document filed at the end of a case,

829
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: after a guilty plea or a guilty verdict, where each

830
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: side makes their case one last time, not about guilt

831
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: or innocence now that's settled, but about what they think

832
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: the punishment should be. And we have an adversarial court system.

833
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: Everyone is technically ethically bound to be honest, and the

834
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: purpose of the courts is supposed to be to seek

835
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: the truth, but really everyone is there to win, to

836
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: have their version of the truth ruled to be the

837
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: most true. So I'm really used to seeing a defense

838
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: attorney's sob story and a prosecutor's exaggeration. But I wonder

839
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: maybe if Matthew Huddle's lawyers really were telling a mostly

840
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: true story.

841
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: He didn't vote, he couldn't.

842
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: His family doesn't seem very political. No one in his

843
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: family has ever donated so much as a dollar to

844
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: any federal election. And he did have a long history

845
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: of making spectacularly bad decisions and finding himself in some

846
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: really outlandishly bad situations. I mean, he got his legs

847
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: broken in two unrelated domestic disputes. That doesn't even sound possible.

848
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: So maybe Matthew Huddle is the only January sixth defendant

849
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: who really did end up there by accident, with no

850
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: ideological motivation or violent intent. Plenty of them claimed that

851
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: in court and it never really rings true. But maybe

852
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: for Matthew Huddle, wandering into the Capitol that day was

853
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: just the same kind of criminal accident he was often

854
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: finding himself in, like driving away without paying for a

855
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: tank of gas because he was too drunk to figure

856
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: out how to operate the payment system, but somehow not

857
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: too drunk to drive when I first saw the news

858
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: that had recently pardoned January sixth, the defendant had been

859
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: shot and killed while resisting arrest during a traffic stop.

860
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: I can't say that I was surprised, but.

861
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: I was wrong in my initial assumption.

862
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: I figured a guy who found himself on that trajectory

863
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: would be I don't know, a sovereign citizen or a

864
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: guy who'd done real violence at the capitol, a guy

865
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: who had violent plans for the future. Surely those two

866
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: facts about his life being at the Capitol that day

867
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: and dying the way that he did, Surely those two

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Speaker 1: facts would be directly related.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure they are.

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Speaker 1: It's unwise to speculate about the altercation that may have

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Speaker 1: occurred in the minutes before Huddle was shot and killed

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Speaker 1: by a Jasper County Sheriff's deputy. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: happened there on the side of Indiana State Road fourteen.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what was said or why things escalated,

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Speaker 1: or where exactly the deputy saw the gun. But I

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Speaker 1: do know that Matthew Huddle was due back in court

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Speaker 1: next week for a status conference on a stack of

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Speaker 1: still unresolved felony cases. For driving without a license, just

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Speaker 1: days after getting his federal pardon. He was probably happy

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Speaker 1: for his uncle Dale, but he'd already done his federal time,

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Speaker 1: and now he was looking down the barrel at another

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Speaker 1: stay in the county jail, and when those blue lights

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Speaker 1: came on behind him, he probably knew that this would

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Speaker 1: be yet another felony charge.

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Speaker 3: He had a long list of state charges.

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Speaker 1: A federal pardon did nothing for him. In the end,

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Speaker 1: it didn't matter who president was. But I guess it

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Speaker 1: never really did matter to Matthew. Weird Little Guys is

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Speaker 1: a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio. It's research, written,

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Speaker 1: and recorded by me Willie Conger. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Sophie Littterman and Robert Evans. The show is edited by

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Speaker 1: the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme music was composed

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Speaker 1: by Brad Dickert. You can email me at Rudlue Guys

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Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: I will definitely read it, but I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: answer it. It's nothing personal.

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Speaker 1: You can exchange conspiracy theories about the show with other

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Speaker 1: listeners on the Weird Little Guy subreddit. Just don't post

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Speaker 1: anything that's going to make you one of my weird

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Speaker 1: little guys,