1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Nune Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowvert 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: Welcome into the Herd. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 4: I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Always a thrill 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: to be sitting in the big chair for Colin, who 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 4: will be back soon because it's football season. We made it, 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 4: though there still is plenty of drama. Tarreon Armstead will 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: join us in just over twenty minutes. 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: In an hour, I'm. 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 4: Gonna try to call Colin on the air to remind 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: him that Caleb Williams is good. 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 3: My guess is he won't pick up. 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: We got a lot of things to do and starting Monday, 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: we'll hear more about it later. Then you expanded first 22 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: the first on FS one. I'm thrilled to tell you 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 4: about it. I'll be on from five to six Eastern 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: every single day, and if you've ever watched me or 25 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 4: listened to me, you know that I don't love talking 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: contracts because generally speaking, they all get done. But the 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: preseason ends on Saturday, which means it becomes game week 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: for all these teams, which means it's about to get 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 4: real for contract talk. And I got to admit, even 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 4: as someone who doesn't like talking money, I don't like 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: the pocket watch aspect of it. And the vast majority 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 4: of these guys ends up signing their deals. I have 33 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: to admit that the television producer that doubles as the 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 4: general manager of the Dallas Cowboys and the owner and 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: apparently a star of a documentary. The documentary, by the way, 36 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 4: pretty good, Jerry Jones. He's given us some tremendous color 37 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: here on the Micah Parsons stalemate. Negotiations impass and it's 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: getting wildly unnecessarily ugly in Dallas. But depending on your 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: point of view, maybe that's exactly what Jerry Jones wants, 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 4: because he's just here for the soap opera, the clicks, 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: and we're feeding into it because here we are on 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: the biggest show talking about the biggest story and the 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: biggest team and their best defensive player who remains. 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Unsigned, so let's catch you up on it. 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: Jerry Jones goes on Michael Irvin's YouTube show just yesterday 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: and he gives us a very colorful update on how 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: the negotiations are going. 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 5: We wanted to send the details to the agent. The 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 5: agent soldiers to stick it up our ass. We had 50 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 5: to send it over to the agent, and the agent said, 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 5: don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. Well, 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: lot already negotiate that, already moved off my mark over 54 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 5: several areas. It's the Mama daddy deal. You go into 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: Mama and she won't do it, and she's the moss 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 5: soabos she won't do it, So you run into daddy, 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: Daddy says do it, and then you go back in 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 5: say mom, and Daddy said it was all right. 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 4: I don't think that Jerry Jones traffics in the world 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: of embarrassment very often, but Jerry should be embarrassed. The 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: agent in question is David Molagetta. David Mullagetta, through multiple 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: media sources, has put out basically, I'm not going to 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 4: do any interviews, but I did not or did anybody 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: with athletes first as agency tell Jerry Jones of the 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: Cowboys to stick it with their ass whatever that didn't 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: come up. So David Mulligetta is disputing the use of 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: that colorful language. But let's just forget about the language 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: there that Jerry is addressing. 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: Here. 70 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is saying that there is not room in 71 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: the negotiation between the Dallas Cowboys and Micah Parsons for 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: Micah Parsons's agent. 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: Now, I have an agent. I know most of you don't. 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: You're lucky. 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: That's the only reason we have agents is to do 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: the negotiation. It's the only reason we pay the commission. 77 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: Maybe it's three percent, maybe it's one percent, maybe it's 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: five percent, maybe it's ten percent, depending on the industry. 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: For Michael Parsons, it's probably in the neighborhood of one 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 4: or two percent. But the point is he pays, arguably 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 4: the top agent in football a percentage of what will 82 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 4: be the largest defensive contract in the history of the 83 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: NFL to do the negotiation. Jerry did not stop there 84 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: because I will get into where I think this actually 85 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: ends up here in a minute. But allegations about colorful 86 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: language no room in the negotiation for Mikeah Parsons's agent, 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: Jerry did not stop on his media tour with the 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: posturing of how he looks at the timeline and to 89 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 4: get a deal done with Michah Parsons. 90 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: We've really got three years to work this thing out. 91 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 5: I did that with Dak and we couldn't agree. So 92 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 5: Dak played his last year of his contract. We franchisee course, 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 5: ultimately we got a contract made. Dak has plaid player 94 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 5: in the NFL, so the president is handling it like Dak, 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 5: but in this particular case, then Micah comes in and 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: plays this year under his contract and then done and 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: it's very costly. 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 4: Okay, so no one likes math on TV. But we'll 99 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: just let's just go through some facts here for a second. 100 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 4: Michah Parsons is set to make roughly twenty four million 101 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 4: bucks this year, so at the end of that from 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: the Michael Irvin Show and Jerry Jones, look, if he doesn't, 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: it's going to be very costly. Jerry Jones is one 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: hundred percent correct. Every game missed by Micah Parsons is 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 4: roughly one point three million dollars. Then Micah Parsons will 106 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: not get paid. That's just money you can earn back. 107 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: So I think Micah Parsons is going to play Week 108 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 4: one because I think he would rather play for one 109 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: point three million dollars than not play and get zero. 110 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: It's a revolutionary thought. That's where I'm at. 111 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: Then Jerry saying really takes three years, and he's right, 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 4: because there's this year, and then they could franchise Tag 113 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 4: Michah Parsons, and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons 114 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: again for one hundred and twenty percent of what he'd 115 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 4: be doing to make next year. 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Now, the player. 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: Would be unhappy, and he's already demanded the trade and 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: scrubbed the Cowboys from all the social media, and frankly, 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 4: that's not good for the team to have a premium 120 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: player locked into the salary cap because there's no flexibility. 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: One hundred percent of the dollars are guaranteed. You can't 122 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: move it around for salary cap purposes. 123 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: That sort of thing. 124 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: But I absolutely believe Jerry Jones that he talks to 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: Micah Parsons about money, that he feels like he even 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 4: moved off of his place, and I believe Jerry Jones 127 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: that he is willing to make Michael Parsons the highest 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 4: paid defensive player in football. But here's what I also 129 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 4: believe that that's not good enough. That if I was 130 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: representing Michael Parsons, I wouldn't be saying, well, yeah, I 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: just have to get a dollar more on the average 132 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: annual value of than TJ. Watt just over forty one 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: million a year, or I just got to get a 134 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: dollar more than the largest guarantee ever for a defensive 135 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: player in Miles Garrett at one hundred and twenty two 136 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 4: million a year, because those guys are three plus years 137 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: older than Michah Parsons. Micah Parsons is going to be 138 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: the highest paid defensive player ever. The question is going 139 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: to be by how much is he going to shatter 140 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: the record for a non quarterback? Is he going to 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: shatter the record for a defensive player? And there's no 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: reason for you to get too deep in the weeds 143 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: on who these agents are. But David Mouligetta is something 144 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 4: of a cult like figure in NFL circles because he's 145 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: the guy who got Deshaun Watson the fully guaranteed contract, 146 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 4: the one hundred percent of your money contract as being guaranteed. 147 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: He's the new thing. He's the power broker in the NFL. 148 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: He represents Jordan love cj Stroud and a bunch of guys. 149 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: But here's another way that I know that Jerry is 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: not being totally truthful in this entire thing. There are 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: other players on the Cowboys who are represented by David Mulgetta, 152 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: who is Michaeh Parsons agent. So he's been able to 153 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: get business done. So when he's talking about this agent 154 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: wants to make a name for himself, this agent is 155 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: trying to be the big third party in this deal. 156 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: There's only room for two parties, me and Micah Parsons. 157 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: He's done deals with mullagat his agency before. Mollie Cooker 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: is on his team this year signed and Jerry Jones, 159 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: I know he likes to say that he's the general manager, 160 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: and I know he carries the title of general manager, 161 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: but no one believes that he's scouting the Senior Bowl 162 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: and grinding tape. 163 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 3: On fifth round prospects. 164 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: He likes it for vanity, he likes it for ego. 165 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: Do we really think that when Jake Ferguson signed his 166 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 4: fifty two million dollars deal with Dallas Jerry Jones and 167 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: Jake Ferguson drinking some Johnny Walker black and. 168 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: Just taggling back and forth. 169 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 4: I think it should be twelve million a year. No, 170 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: I think it should be fourteen million year. Now, the 171 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: Cowboys negotiator dealt with the player's agent, because that's how 172 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: it works. 173 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 3: So this is very old school. 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 4: This is very If you've watched any of the documentary, 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: you know, good old boy from Arkansas comes into Texas, 176 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: strikes it rich with an oil well buys the Dallas Cowboys. 177 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: He bought the Dallas Cowboys for one hundred and forty 178 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: million dollars. He's probably gonna have to give Micah Parsons 179 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: more than one hundred and forty million dollars. So he 180 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: got the team for one hundred and forty million, He's 181 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: about to give a player more than one hundred and 182 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: forty million. Jerry Jones is living in the Stone Ages. 183 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: He's living in the back in the eighties. It's just 184 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: not how it's done anymore. And so ultimately this is 185 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 4: all posturing, and I believe that Micah Parsons will be unhappy. 186 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 3: I thought the host with the Allen. 187 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: Iverson quotes and the waving goodbye and the scrubbing of 188 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 4: the social media. Frankly, I thought he was a little late. 189 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: That's like a millennial playbook one oh one. You scrub 190 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: the social media, you make it like, oh yeah, I'm 191 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: real serious. I'm real serious about this trade. I'm real 192 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: serious about sitting out games. Chris Jones sat out a 193 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: game one. Guys don't sit out games anymore. There's too 194 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 4: much money at stake. This isn't even the EMMITTT. Smith 195 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: thing from back in the early nineties where he misses 196 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 4: a couple of games, signs the deal and then the 197 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: Cowboys go on to win the Super Bowl. There's just 198 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: too much money. These deals get done. So I will 199 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: stay where I've been four months on this that this 200 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 4: is publicity for a new season, this is publicity for 201 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,479 Speaker 4: a documentary. 202 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: And deadlines make deals. And we saw with. 203 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, as referenced by Jerry Jones, the deadline was 204 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 4: the opener when he signed that deal. I expect Michael 205 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: Parsons to be playing against Philadelphia and this is just 206 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: a lot of noise, embarrassing noise, but noise all the same, 207 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: which brings us to the other unsigned contracts here because 208 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: it's a I will admit it, this is a unique 209 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: NFL offseason and that we have three A list Tier 210 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 4: one players who are still unsigned. Terry McLaurin in Washington, 211 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: Trey Henderson in Cincinnati, and of course has discussed Micah 212 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 4: Parsons in Dallas. Now, I don't think Dallas is a 213 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: super Bowl contender, but they do. Washington obviously think it's 214 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: a super Bowl contender. They were in the NFC Championship 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: Game last year. They had Laramie Tunsel, they had Deebo Samuel, 216 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: and Cincinnati knows that they've got a super Bowl caliber offense, 217 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: and they scored enough points last year to be a 218 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen win team, but they only scored nine 219 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 4: because their defense was historically bad. I mean, the Bengals 220 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: had a losing record. They were three and four in 221 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 4: games where they scored thirty or more points. 222 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: So we'll just go through these. 223 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: I think Terry McLaurin signs in the next seventy two hours. 224 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: Generally speaking, preseason will end on Saturday. They'll revisit the 225 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: big picture stuff. It'll be game week, and it'll really 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 4: be like the game two weeks because with now three 227 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 4: preseason games, there's more time between the end of preseason 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 4: and the start of the opener. I just don't believe 229 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: that a player who has been as consistently productive for 230 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: Washington when they had no one at quarterback is going 231 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: to let them have a superstar quarterback on a rookie 232 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 4: deal and not get it done with his number one receiver. 233 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: Do I think Terry McLaurin is as good as AJ Brown? No, 234 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter. He is really, really good. The 235 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: guy who signs the deal the most recently always gets 236 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: a little bumped because the salary cap goes up. So 237 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 4: I will be shocked if Washington takes the field week 238 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: one and Terry McLaurin isn't there. That one is in 239 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: the as close to one hundred percent as I can 240 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: make it. Jaden Daniels just came out and said he 241 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: thought it was going to get done. This one's gonna 242 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 4: get done. Next confident would be Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. 243 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: I know with Cincinnati, I know they're historically cheap, but 244 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 4: they got Joe Burrow, they paid him. They have t Higgins, 245 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: they paid him. They have Jamar Chase, they paid him, 246 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: They changed defensive coordinators, They used three of their first 247 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: four picks on defensive players. 248 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: Apparently they've agreed. 249 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: On how much money per year and how long the 250 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: deal is going to be. They haven't agreed to the 251 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: biggest part of the deal, which is the guaranteed money. 252 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: Reports are that Trey Hendrickson won three years guaranteed, Bengals 253 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: only want to do one year guaranteed. My guess is 254 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: they settle on about two years guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has led. 255 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: He's been what. 256 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: Seventeen sacks NFL and sacks last year, been seventeen sacks 257 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 4: each of the last two years. 258 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: Yes, he's thirty, but two. 259 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 4: Years of guaranteed money feels like a reasonable place. And 260 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 4: I can't imagine looking Joe Burrow in the eye and 261 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: being like, hey, remember last year when you would. 262 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: Score thirty regularly and we would lose. Wants you to 263 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: do that again. 264 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: My guess is Hendrickson gets done and then that leaves 265 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 4: Micah again. 266 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: I think it works out. I think they get it done. 267 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna be in the business of 268 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: giving back one point three million dollars per year, but 269 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 4: at some point Jerry Jones is gonna have to do 270 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: what apparently Jerry Jones doesn't want to do, which is 271 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: talk to Micah Parsons's legal representation. This is all noise, 272 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: it's all unnecessary, it's all unbecoming. But given that we 273 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: are still in the season where the games don't count, 274 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: it is fodder and at least we know for Jerry, 275 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: not for the thirty one other teams like I don't 276 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: think anything about the Terry McLaurin contract is because Washington 277 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: wants to be in the news cycle. I don't think 278 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: anything about the Trey Henderson contract is because they want 279 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: to be in the news cycle. But for Dallas, we 280 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: have a ton of data, including Jerry Jones's own mouth 281 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: in this in the Netflix documentary It's a soap op 282 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: with three hundred and sixty five days a year, Jerry 283 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: Jones sees value in the drama of dragging this out. 284 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 4: With Micah Parsons coming on next to for Tron Armstead, 285 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart looks good again. Three successful preseason games for 286 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart. I think the Giants plan for now is 287 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 4: the right one. Can they continue it? 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We have a fantasy 293 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 6: football podcast called I Want Your Flex. 294 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: That's right Dan. 295 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 7: Every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to 296 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 7: find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts, 297 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 7: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate 298 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 7: the competition. 299 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 6: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmon and 300 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 6: meet Dan Byer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and 301 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 6: wherever you bet your podcasts. 302 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: I am a Bears guy from Chicago. Consider it disclosed. 303 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams was good last year. Anyone who watched every 304 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: pass of every game, which I did, would tell you 305 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: that he was not good enough. He was not as 306 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: great as we thought he was going to be. But 307 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams was good. Best rookie quarterback by the way 308 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: in Bear's franchise history, which I agree the bar is 309 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: on the floor. That's an easy one to clear, but 310 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 4: it is still true. And the situation that hand up 311 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: I got wrong. I said it was the best situation 312 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: a number one overall pick had ever walked into. 313 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: I was dead wrong. 314 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: About that because how much of a disaster the Matt 315 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: eberflu Shane Waldron coaching situation was. And we'll get some 316 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: more of that in a second. But Caleb Williams was good. 317 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: He wasn't great. But people talk about Caleb Williams like 318 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: it's still possible that he could be a bus bust 319 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: is off the table. 320 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: He's good. Let's start. 321 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: There's the good, the bad, and the narrative, and I'll 322 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 4: be fair. We'll start with the bad, the obvious bad, 323 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: the worst of it, and there were a few. Was 324 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 4: sixty eight sacks. Sixty eight sacks is an absurd number. 325 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: Sixty eight sacks is way too many. He did not 326 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: fully trust what NFL open was. He held onto the ball. 327 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 4: He was afraid to throw interceptions, and so he would 328 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: eat a sack as opposed to trusting his arm talent, 329 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: trusting the route, trusting the play did not play on 330 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 4: schedule enough. Sixty eight sacks is unacceptable. He will always 331 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: be a higher than average sacked quarterback because of how 332 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: much of a big game hunter he is, because of 333 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: how mobile he is, because he has that wizardry to 334 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: do the second option off angle throws, the improvisation stuff, 335 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: but sixty eight is obviously not sustained. And then I 336 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: think there was a legit concern, based on what I 337 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: knew and people that I talked to around the team, 338 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: that Caleb was trying to get by a little bit 339 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: too much on just his raw natural talent and didn't 340 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 4: have a complete understanding of what it took Monday through 341 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 4: Saturday to be ready for Sunday. And he was young, 342 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: He's a rookie, wasn't a bad guy, wasn't unprofessional. Just 343 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: there's an adjustment of what you need to do to 344 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 4: get ready for a college game and what there is 345 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 4: what you need to do to get ready for a 346 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: pro game, and that learning curve was there for Caleb. 347 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: It was also certainly. 348 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: Impacted by the coaching turnover, So I think there was professionalism, 349 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: But really the. 350 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: Sacks, sixty eight sacks, you can't win. 351 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: The good was he survived, Who's tough as hell. He 352 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 4: played all seventeen games despite being sacked sixty eight times. 353 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: He had a three and a half to one touchdown 354 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 4: the interception ratio twenty touchdowns against only six picks. He 355 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 4: threw for over thirty five hundred yards, and he dealt 356 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: with everyone talks about the bad coaching, and it was bad. 357 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 4: They fired Shane Walder and his play caller nine games 358 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: into the season. And the Bears are a founding charter 359 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: franchise in the NFL who had never fired a head 360 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 4: coach in season in their history. And let me tell you, 361 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: Mark Tressman deserved it. Guy kicked the field goal on 362 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: second down. They finally fired a coach in season because 363 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: they feared a mutiny from the team because it got 364 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: so bad in season last year. 365 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: But that wasn't it. 366 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 4: The offensive line situation that Caleb was dealing with. Matt Pryor, 367 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: Tevin Jenkins, and Coleman Shelton all started fourteen plus games. 368 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 4: And if you're out there watching or listening, being like, 369 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 4: who are those guys, it's a totally reasonable thing for 370 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 4: you to think Coleman Shelton's going to start at center 371 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: this year for the Rams on maybe the worst part 372 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 4: of their team. They're very concerned that they're not going 373 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: to be able to keep Matt Stafford healthy, and Tevin 374 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 4: Jenkins and Matt Pryor are now backups in Cleveland, and 375 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: Philly respectively, and they all started fourteen or more games 376 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: for the Bears last year, so they were starting. 377 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: Backups on the offensive line. 378 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: They fired the coach, they fired the play caller, and again, 379 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: if you watched, there were moments of undeniable upside, Like 380 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: right now in FS one, we're showing highlights from the 381 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: Bills game, and I heard reactions to the Bills. 382 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: Game being like, whoa Caleb. 383 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: Look at the arm talent, look at the mobility, look 384 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: at the zip on the ball, look at the Accuracy's like, yeah, 385 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 4: we saw it last year. We didn't see it enough, 386 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 4: We didn't see it consistently enough. 387 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: But he was a rookie. 388 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 4: And that's where I think the narrative piece is getting 389 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 4: forgotten about last season, because last season went off the 390 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: rails for the Bears, more so though for the Bears 391 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 4: than Caleb Williams. They lost ten games in a row, 392 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: and how they lost those games started to become so 393 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 4: comical that, understandably, the Bears became a punchline. The Bears 394 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: lost the game to Washington on a hail Mary, and 395 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 4: the receiver who caught the ball, his man Tyreek Stevenson, 396 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 4: was literally talking to the crowd when the ball was snapped. 397 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: Wasn't even paying attention. 398 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: That's not on Caleb Washington ended up in the NFC 399 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: Championship game. The Bears lost the game to Green Bay 400 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: by one point on a blocked fields goal, a forty 401 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: six yard attempt where they sent to the league office 402 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: that the pass rush by the Packers was illegal because 403 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: they hit the long snapper over the ball. Wasn't called 404 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 4: whatever it happens missed called, but like that's a thing 405 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: that happened. Lost that game by one they hit that 406 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 4: forty six yard field goal as time expires. They would 407 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: have swept the season series against Green Bay because they 408 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: beat him at Lambeau to end the year. Green Bay 409 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: was an eleven win team. Was it on Caleb Williams 410 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 4: when they lost to Minnesota the fourteen win Minnesota Vikings 411 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: when Caleb threw for three hundred and forty yards and 412 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: two touchdowns and scored twenty seven points against Brian Flores' defense. 413 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: That game on Caleb. 414 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: Williams because it feels like, well, it was just another 415 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: loss in the midst of a ten. 416 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 3: Game losing streak. 417 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 4: Okay, he took a sack in the possession of overtime. 418 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: That was not good, no doubt about it. But again 419 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: Brian Flora's defense, fourteen win team, pretty good. Three hundred 420 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 4: and forty passing yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, scored, twenty 421 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: seven points, lost in overtime to the Vikings. And then 422 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 4: everyone remembers the Thanksgiving game against the Lions where Matt 423 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: Eberflus forgot that he's the head coach and that you're 424 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: allowed to call timeouts. They're four yards away from field 425 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: goal range, would have sent them to overtime. 426 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 3: They've got one time out. 427 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: There's a sack that puts them out of field goal range, 428 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 4: so you got to gain the five yards, call the 429 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: time out, kick the field goal. 430 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: There was confusion. 431 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 4: You would like Kleb maybe more situationally. 432 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: Aware in that spot. 433 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 4: Again, a rookie, you would like your coach to help 434 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: out the player. There were thirty two seconds left when 435 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 4: he got sacked. They only ran one play the rest 436 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 4: of the game. It was like he was playing out 437 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: there with no coaches. So I think if they win 438 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 4: two of those four games and all of a sudden 439 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: they are seven and ten instead of five and twelve 440 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 4: with wins over the Vikings. 441 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: And the commanders. 442 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 4: In addition to their win at the end over the Packers, 443 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 4: You're like, okay, seven and ten ups and downs, the 444 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 4: playoffs took too many sacks, coach got fired instead. It's 445 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. Is Caleb Williams an NFL player? They 446 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 4: upgraded it right guard, center, left guard, coach, play caller. 447 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 4: They use a top ten pick on Colston lovelin the 448 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: tight end, and they use the top forty pick on 449 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 4: Luther Burden a receiver. Both of them looked good in 450 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: the preseason opener where the starters played against the Bills. 451 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 4: So last year should be the floor for Caleb Williams. 452 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: And by the way, everything that I've heard about Caleb 453 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: from this year at camp, him and Ben Johnson, intense relationship, 454 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 4: really taking well to hard coaching, true professional, knows one 455 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 4: hundred percent of what it takes, and he's working his 456 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 4: ass off to be great. So if the floor is 457 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 4: thirty five hundred passing yards and a three and a 458 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: half to one touchdown the interception ratio, and he upgraded 459 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 4: sixty percent of his own offensive line, his head coach, 460 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: his play caller, his tight end position, and his wide 461 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: receiver group, why are we surprised that he let a 462 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 4: touchdown drive against the Bills in the preseason. I just 463 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: the discourse has just gone completely insane with them. Oh, 464 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 4: they're sitting him out, They're hiding him, They're afraid. 465 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: They prefer Tyson Paijing. 466 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is good, can still be great, and I 467 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 4: think his ceiling is still MVP of the league and 468 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion at some point in his career. 469 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 4: And I think people, frankly have really lost the plot 470 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 4: with Caleb Williams and I look forward to seeing him 471 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 4: build on year one in year two with Ben Johnson 472 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: should be a very exciting season and a very exciting 473 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: next decade for Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. Coming 474 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 4: up next, Tom Ernucci, one of the top voices in baseball. 475 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 4: The Brewers the best team, but not the best shot 476 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 4: to win a World Series. 477 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: We unpackou, It's all happening coming. 478 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: Up The Herd one more Herd. The Herd streams twenty 479 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: four hours a day, seven days a week within the 480 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand 481 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: whenever you like. 482 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 4: Back in on the Herd on Danny parkins in for 483 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: Colin Cowherd. Chris Philika, the Bear joins us in about 484 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: twenty minutes. But I'm excited about this joining us now 485 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: on the herd. 486 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: The host of the Terrific The. 487 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 4: Athletic Football Show is my buddy Robert Mays. And you know, Robert, 488 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 4: I was thinking about texting you, I was thinking about 489 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: calling you, and then I was like, now, let's just 490 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 4: do it. 491 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: On national TV. I listened to I listened. 492 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: To your podcast of the twenty twenty four draft class, 493 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: and you know you you root for the Bears. 494 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: You're in Chicago. 495 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 4: You like me, watched every pass of Caleb Williams last year. 496 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 4: But when you did that podcast, you were talking about 497 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 4: how you had thought the most question marks were about Caleb, 498 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: and I was surprised. There was definitely plenty of bat. 499 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 4: He was not as good as many of us thought 500 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 4: he was going to be, but there were so many 501 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: things that contributed to it. I'm wondering if you are 502 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 4: feeling better after the preseason game against Buffalo. 503 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 8: It'd be hard not to feel better when you look 504 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 8: at how on time and mechanically sound the offense felt. 505 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 8: Just watching him operate with a level of urgency and 506 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 8: confidence and just the pre snap operation and clearly how 507 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 8: in command of that he feels. I've always had faith 508 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 8: that with Ben Johnson this could be corrected. I watched 509 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 8: what Ben Johnson did with Jared Goff, and I remember 510 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 8: what Jared Goff looked like near the end in Los Angeles. 511 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 8: So I think there's a big gap that Caleb has 512 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 8: to close based on how he played last year. But 513 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 8: when you'd go from the worst possible circumstances in terms 514 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 8: of how the offense is being articulated to a quarterback, 515 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 8: the intent of certain plays to what is going to 516 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 8: be one of the best situations in the NFL, when 517 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 8: it comes to all that stuff, you can see a 518 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 8: drastically different result. So I think that I was a 519 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 8: little bit worried about some of that stuff last year. 520 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 8: I absolutely still have faith that it can get cleaned 521 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 8: up with the right coaching, and I think Ben Johnson 522 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 8: is the right coach. 523 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 4: So what do you believe Caleb believe it is not 524 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: necessarily this year, But where do you have him in 525 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: terms of a ceiling? What can he still become? It's 526 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: a great question. 527 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 8: I don't know exactly where I land on that because 528 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 8: I don't know how many quarterbacks are like him in 529 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 8: the NFL that are actually analogous to him when it 530 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 8: comes to play style and what he's bringing to the table. 531 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: But if you told me, I think this is it currently. 532 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 8: Stands in the NFL, the NFL quarterback hierarchy, when you 533 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 8: get outside of the top four guys, I think it's 534 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 8: pretty muddled. I think that group between like five and 535 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 8: fifteen right now is very fluid where there's going to 536 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 8: be a lot of risers and followers over the next 537 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 8: couple of years. If you told me at the end 538 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 8: of the twenty twenty sixth season that Caleb Williams was 539 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 8: the eighth best quarterback in the league, I would believe 540 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 8: that a lot of stuff would have to go right 541 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 8: for it to happen. But I think that tier, especially 542 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 8: right now, is kind of there for the taking, depend 543 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 8: on how depending on how the next couple seasons go. 544 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 4: So he's a part of this twenty twenty four draft class, 545 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 4: And I said earlier in the show, I think it's 546 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: trending that it'll be arguably the most successful draft class 547 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: in NFL history, not in terms of Super Bowls or 548 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: anything like that, but in terms of teams just getting 549 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 4: it right. The twenty twenty class had five guys who 550 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: signed second contracts with the team that drafted them, which 551 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 4: is an NFL record. I know it's early, but I 552 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 4: feel like they're going to go six for six in 553 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 4: the first rounds. Do you look at last year's QB 554 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 4: classes potentially an all time one? 555 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: I do. Obviously. 556 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 8: JJ McCarthy is probably the biggest question mark, just because 557 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 8: we haven't seen him play, but all the other guys, 558 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 8: even with only a glimpse at Michael Pennock's I'm really 559 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 8: excited about what Michael Pennock showed last year. So the guy, 560 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 8: if you look at the numbers that was the least 561 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 8: efficient any events metric you want to take a look 562 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 8: at last year. Among that entire group was Caleb Williams, 563 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 8: and we just talked about the collective optimism that I 564 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 8: think is justified. With Caleb Williams, what you saw from 565 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 8: Jane Daniels undeniable bo Nix was so much better than 566 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 8: anybody could have expected. Drake May if you look at 567 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 8: the scenario in New England and the personnel in New 568 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 8: England that should have been day, they should have had 569 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 8: absolutely no shock or even be a competent offense, and 570 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 8: if you. 571 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: Look at those numbers, Drake may was able to actually. 572 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 8: Have a functional NFL offense with that group, which is 573 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 8: a borderline miracle. 574 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens this year. 575 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 8: I think there are still reasonable questions about all of 576 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 8: these guys, but the arrow is pointed way way up 577 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 8: in a way that we just don't typically see with 578 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 8: a group as a whole. 579 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: So I want to talk to you about Trevor Lawrence 580 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 4: because he is the same age as Bo Nix and 581 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 4: Michael Pennox, who are in that quarterback class. But he's 582 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: on his third head coach, he's had four first round 583 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: picks on the offensive side of the ball that he's 584 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 4: been there. He gets Liam Cohane, who helped Baker Mayfield. 585 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 4: To me, this feels like the last stand for Trevor Lawrence. 586 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: To prove that he can be that guy. 587 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 4: How do you look at it now with the situation 588 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 4: that he's in Jacksonville. 589 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 8: I think that's a great way to frame it. And 590 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 8: if he's not going to succeed in these circumstances and 591 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 8: they're not perfect the offensive line, they're shooting for the 592 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 8: middle of the road even and if that turns out well. 593 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 8: But when you think about the construction of the offense 594 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 8: and how hard it felt in Jacksonville over the last 595 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 8: couple of years, and how easy it felt for Baker 596 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 8: Mayfield in Tampa last year, it's just a drastically different 597 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 8: situation in what you're requiring of the quarterback. 598 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: And it's funny. 599 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 8: We're doing the AFC South preview on our show today 600 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 8: and for each team, we're talking about what is success, 601 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 8: and for me and the Jags, part of their successful 602 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 8: twenty twenty five would be that we never see Trevor 603 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 8: Lawrence's name on a bottom third cry on ever again. 604 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 8: And so the fact that we're doing this right now, 605 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 8: I think speaks to what we don't want to be 606 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 8: doing by the end of this season. 607 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: That's an interesting way to frame it. I do think 608 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: the most interesting guy maybe in the NFL this year 609 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: is his teammate Travis Hunter. I've argued that he's going 610 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: to set the snap record as a rookie. 611 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: Which is a weird record. 612 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 4: I know that not everybody knows that Malcolm Jenkins has 613 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 4: the most snaps of any player in NFL history, but 614 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 4: he had more snaps last year in thirteen or fourteen 615 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 4: college games than Malcolm Jenkins did in sixteen games, like 616 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 4: he has a chance to shatter the record. What do 617 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 4: you expect from Travis Hunter. 618 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: In year one? Something we've never seen before. 619 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 8: I don't think we've ever seen somebody play on both 620 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 8: sides of the ball at the clip that he is 621 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 8: going to do it, even watching the mechanics of what 622 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 8: their practices were like. When I was down in training 623 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 8: camp in Jacksonville, watching him off to the side with 624 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 8: defensive coaches while they were going through special teams, having 625 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 8: him switch jerseys in the middle of a practice. We've 626 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 8: never seen anything like this, And it was probably ninety 627 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 8: eight degrees and just disgustingly humid when I was there, 628 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 8: and he looked like he was having the best time 629 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 8: anyone's ever had in a football field, as all of 630 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 8: the rest of us were miserable. The way the amount 631 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 8: of gas he has in the tank. We should study him. 632 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 8: I've never seen anybody like it. And they know that 633 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 8: even beyond the amount of snaps on both sides of 634 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 8: the ball, how much they're going to put him in. 635 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: Motion, how many just pure feet he. 636 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 8: Is going to run over the course of an NFL game, 637 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 8: I want some numbers on that, because I don't think 638 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 8: we've ever seen anything like it before. 639 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 4: Robert Mays from The Athletic Football Show is our guest. 640 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 4: We'll get into the specifics of the Micah thing in 641 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 4: a minute, but I've argued that like holdouts in terms 642 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 4: of missed games, they're not extinct, but they're like an 643 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 4: endangered species. Because the best players get paid. In a 644 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 4: post Leveon Bell world, it doesn't really happen. Chris Jones 645 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: is an outlier. We have three of them right now, 646 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin, Trey Hendrickson, and Micah Parsons. Do you expect 647 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 4: them all to play Week one? 648 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 8: I do, just because of precedent, and I know you 649 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 8: were talking about Micah before I came on, and I 650 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 8: think the Okham's razor approach to this is typically how 651 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 8: I do it. Like the simplest answer, and the answer 652 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 8: that we've seen before is the answer that we'll see again. 653 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 8: All of them have subtle differences between them, but these 654 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 8: guys are incentivized to play. 655 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 3: I don't think they want to be missing game checks. 656 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 8: And every single one of these teams has aspirations for this, 657 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 8: and all of these players are necessary components to that, 658 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 8: so I'll believe it when I see it. 659 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: If none of these guys are on the field week one. 660 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 8: I just tend to think the way the league currently works, 661 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 8: like you just said, most of this stuff gets sorted 662 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 8: out before the actual games get started. 663 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 3: And that's where I sit with them. 664 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 4: The McLaurin and Hendrickson ones, though right Like McLaurin, I 665 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 4: can see the argument, well, we know we need to 666 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 4: pay him, but he probably isn't as good as AJ Brown's. 667 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 4: I could see there being some disagreement there. Hendrickson is like, Okay, 668 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 4: we know we need to pay him even though he's 669 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 4: really productive, but he's older, he's on the wrong side 670 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 4: of thirty. I could see there being some disagreement there. 671 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 4: Michael Parsons is just like universally regarded as a top three, 672 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 4: top five defensive player in football for the team that 673 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 4: drafted him coming off of his rookie contract. It should 674 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: be easy, but for some reason, Jerry Jones doesn't want 675 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 4: to talk to an agent, even though David Mulgetta has 676 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: players that are on the Cowboys. It's all ridiculous. What 677 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 4: do you make of that one specifically, and why this 678 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 4: one has been so difficult to Dallas. 679 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: Jerry is p T. Barnum. 680 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 8: I mean, that's what he has been for way too long, 681 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 8: and the fact that that's his priority right now is 682 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 8: making a spectacle out of this team. If I were 683 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 8: a Cowboys fan, and we are all collectively agreeing that 684 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 8: some of this is to drum up interest for a 685 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 8: Netflix documentary or just to drum up interest for about 686 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 8: the franchise in general, that doesn't need any more publicity. 687 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 8: It's just so hard for me to square the fact 688 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 8: that this is somebody who has openly talked about how 689 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 8: important it is for him to win another Super Bowl 690 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 8: and how much winning matters, and so many of his 691 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 8: actions are directly contradictory to that. If I was a 692 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 8: fan of this team, it would drive me absolutely bonkers. 693 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 8: Just a pure hypocrisy that consistently goes on with the 694 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 8: messaging and the reality of the people that are in 695 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 8: charge of that franchise. 696 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 4: Let's stay in the NFC East. Jackson Dart has looked 697 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 4: good in the preseason, but he's got two veterans in 698 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 4: front of him. He's got a coach and a GM 699 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 4: on the hot seat, and there's schedule is a mess. 700 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 4: When do you expect to see Jackson Dart. I expect 701 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 4: to see him pretty quickly, I really do. 702 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 8: I just think the way that he's played in the preseason, 703 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 8: how warm and fuzzy Brian Dable seems to feel about this. 704 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 8: I've interacting with Brian Dabeles several times in my life. 705 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 8: Brian Dable is not a warm and fuzzy person. You 706 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 8: watch Brian Dable on the sideline, He's not happy about much, 707 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 8: and he seems to be pretty happy about what he's 708 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 8: getting from Jackson Dart, and you can honestly see it 709 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 8: in the construction of the offense when Jackson Dart is 710 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 8: in there. Brian Dable is somebody that came from the 711 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 8: college game. Before he was the offensive coordinator of the Bills. 712 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 8: He spent a year, that gap year at Alabama that 713 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 8: so many guys seem to spend. 714 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 3: He's interested in the college game. 715 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 8: He consistently studies the college game, and you've already seen 716 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 8: some of that old miss stuff get folded into what 717 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 8: the Giants are. I think that on so many different levels, 718 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 8: the Jackson Dart experience has already been energizing for this 719 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 8: team and this coaching staff. The idea that they would 720 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 8: wait a while before tapping into that when Russell Wilson 721 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 8: at this point in his career, to me, is the 722 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 8: opposite of energizing. I think I want to see Jackson 723 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 8: dart pretty quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 724 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 8: Giants want to see Jackson Dart pretty quickly. 725 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 4: All right, So let's go open ended here. You've been 726 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 4: to a bunch of training camps. You cover the NFL 727 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 4: as in depth and as closely as anyone. What's been 728 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 4: the biggest learn for you? The biggest thing, oh man, 729 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 4: I positive, negative, good, whatever surprise that you learned on 730 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 4: this training camp tour. 731 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: I would say two things. 732 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 8: I think it's the collective optimism I had about the 733 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 8: general direction of both the Titans and the Panthers. Those 734 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 8: are two organizations and two teams that really haven't had 735 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 8: any reason for people to think that they're good things 736 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 8: waiting around the corner. And when I left those two buildings, 737 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 8: I think that the process, the way that they've tried 738 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 8: to build the rosters, some of the things they're trying to. 739 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 3: Do with their young quarterbacks. I don't know if it's 740 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 3: going to work. 741 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 8: I don't know if the Brice young thing is going 742 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 8: to continue based on the same and half of last season. 743 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if cam Ward is going to be good. 744 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 8: These are all things with young quarterbacks that there's a 745 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 8: little bit of murkiness, but what they've tried to do 746 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 8: and how they've tried to go about things in both 747 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 8: of those buildings, I'm looking forward to watching both of 748 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 8: those offenses in Week one, and if you had asked 749 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 8: me that on August twenty second of last year, there's 750 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 8: absolutely no way. So just the general direction and how 751 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 8: much quiet optimism I have about both of those places, 752 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 8: I did not expect that before I walked into both 753 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 8: of those buildings earlier this summer. 754 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: What do you make of a team that's supposed to 755 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 4: compete for a Super Bowl? Gave the Eagles all that 756 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 4: they could handle, but has an injured quarterback and a 757 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 4: bad offensive line. I feel like there's a lot of 758 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 4: boom or bust potential right now with the Rams. 759 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 8: There's always boom or bust potential with this team, and 760 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 8: they're so hard to talk about because we discussed this 761 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 8: a lot. The Rams get the benefit of the doubt, 762 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 8: where we're consistently talking ourselves into oh, well, in the 763 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 8: best version of this team, look at what they can do. 764 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 3: We don't do that with anyone else. 765 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 8: We don't wish for the best version of every other 766 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 8: team consistently. But we've seen the Rams do it before. 767 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 8: They did it when they won the Super Bowl. They 768 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 8: did it for that stretch in twenty twenty three. When 769 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 8: they can thread the needle, they look special, and so 770 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 8: I just think that there's more volatility with that team 771 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 8: than almost any other in the league. I will say 772 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 8: they have built in contingencies with this version of it 773 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 8: they have not had in years past. If you remember 774 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 8: that twenty twenty two season and even that game Stafford missed, 775 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 8: I believe in twenty twenty three when Brett Rippen had 776 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 8: to play in Green Bay. That's why Jimmy Garoppolo is there. 777 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 8: Now they have a backup left tackle in DJ Humphrees. 778 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 8: So I think the floor is slightly higher for the 779 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 8: Rams than it has been in years past when they've 780 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 8: had some of these injuries. But the ceiling also seems 781 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 8: a little bit harder to reach if your thirty seven 782 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 8: year old quarterback is going to have a back injury 783 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 8: coming into this season. 784 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 4: So this is not a story that you guys would 785 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 4: really do a ton of on the Athletic Football Show. 786 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 4: But I'm just curious, what has your perception been of 787 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 4: the media handling of the Shador Sanders story as it 788 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 4: relates to the validity of it as a football story. 789 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 3: We know how this stuff works. 790 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 8: You know, you have to talk about certain things because 791 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 8: there's interest in certain things that the tail wags the 792 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 8: dog a lot when it comes to sports media. 793 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by this. 794 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 8: I just think overall, the breathless coverage of every moment 795 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 8: of training camp, training camp stats, who looks good, who 796 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 8: looks bad, it's so misguided most of the time, like 797 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 8: we just don't have a good handle on what is 798 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 8: happening during these practices. You're watching it from the sideline. 799 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 8: You don't have a vantage point of the entire offense. 800 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 8: You can't watch the entire offense, and you can't go 801 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 8: back and watch practice tape to understand any of the 802 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 8: context of what's happening. So they're inevitably there are going 803 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 8: to be so many silly things written and said over 804 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 8: the course of any given training camp, and I think 805 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 8: there's a very good chance most of those in Cleveland. 806 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: Based on how the past month has gone, all right, 807 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 3: last one, Who's winning the Super Bowl? 808 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 8: It pains me to say it, but I'm probably going 809 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 8: to pick the Ravens. I just think that their best 810 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 8: year is so good right now. I love some of 811 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 8: the little tweaks they made on defense, with the way 812 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 8: they played on the back half of the season on 813 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 8: defense last year, and I think Lamar has reached a 814 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 8: really special level and they have most of those component 815 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,439 Speaker 8: parts coming back on offense. They felt like the best 816 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 8: team in the league for stretches of last year and 817 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 8: just couldn't get over the hump. They're probably top to 818 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,399 Speaker 8: bottom of the team I believe in the most right now. 819 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 4: Robert Mays from The Athletic Football Show. I love listen, man, 820 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 4: this was fun. 821 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 3: Thank you anytime, Bud.