1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jason Utah. Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. It's a Philly Show. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: It's Friday, June sixth, twenty twenty five. Guys. 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 3: The uh the Phillies have lost six out of the 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: last seven games. They lost a two to one nail 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: bier on Wednesday. Mcabel pitches well though, and then Thursday 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: series finale. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Jesus is Arta. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, guys. How are you 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: guys doing? First of all? Second of all, I mean Ruben, 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: you were in the booth. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: How you watching echo? What is going on right now? 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: I mean that's exactly I'm looking over at tom like 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: the entire time, like, oh my god, crazy it It 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 4: is amazing. And the interesting thing about it is, I 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: mean it's happening early in the at bats. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 5: It's early, and often it is barrel. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 4: Contact, like hard, hard contact, and it's happening like almost 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: on every fastball. And then there are other pitches that 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: are he's getting whacked around on. He's left some you know, 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: breaking stuff and some change ups up. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 5: In the zone. 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 4: But I was talked to some guys yesterday about it 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 4: and like he's a sinker ball pitcher, like he's got 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: really really good movement typically, and his fastball right now. 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 5: Seems really sort of flat. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 4: I mean, it's ninety seven, but it doesn't have like 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: the action on it at the plate that it has 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 4: had in the early part of the season. And they're 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: getting good looks. For the life of me, I cannot 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: believe how good the swings are. 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 6: Against him over the last two outings, and everything's on 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 6: the barrel, and it just strikes to me that they 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 6: they're picking something up that they know every pitch is coming, 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 6: or many of them, and he might be tipping him 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 6: either that or something's happened. 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: In his delivery that's allowing him to be a little 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: bit flatter with his stuff overall. And it's just staying 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: in the zone too long and not doesn't have the 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: same sort of life at the zone such that it 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 4: takes it off the barrel. It's it's I mean, I'd 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 4: have to go back and look at tapes to see 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: what's going on. I'm sure that Caleb Cotham and Rob 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 4: Thompson and so many others are doing that right now, 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 4: and I'm sure that the player himself is going what 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: in the hell is going on too? And it sounded 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: like after the postgame interviews that's exactly where he was right. 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: It's it's been incredible. 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 7: I cannot think of another situation where we've seen a 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 7: picture on course for the All Star Game and maybe 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 7: to start the All Star Game and then to absolutely 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 7: you know, it's like a you know, a bungee jump. 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 7: He's just fallen and it really does look like they, 54 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 7: at least in Toronto, it looked like they knew what 55 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 7: was coming. I mean, Bashett sold out on that swing. 56 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 7: He looked like he knew what was coming. 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: You know. 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 7: I tend to think we always talk now about tip 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 7: and pitches, and I think it's. 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: A lot rareer. 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 7: It's a lot more rare than people think, but we 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 7: always say it. It's like, you know, you get almost 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 7: tired of hearing it. But something's amiss. He has eclipsed 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 7: his innings totals from last year. Maybe that's affecting his 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 7: finish in that last little. 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Bit of life. But Hitters look awfully comfortable on this guy. 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 7: And when Hitters starts seeing guys squaring it up, squaring 68 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 7: it up consistently over and over, they all get confidence. 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 7: That confidence ripples through a batrack, and you know they 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 7: the previous start in Philadelphia, these guys pay attention, and 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 7: then in this start in Toronto. Personally, I think the 72 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 7: hitters look super comfortable, and I think you start there 73 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 7: moving the feet, you got to crowd them, come up 74 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 7: and in. You've got to put something in the back 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 7: of these hitters' heads that you're not gonna get too 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 7: comfortable against me, because hitting, you know, you have to 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 7: be comfortable to hit. And if you can upset that 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 7: level of comfort, you can have more success as a pitcher. 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 7: Something's got to be done there as they dig into 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 7: this and find out what is going on. 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: Jesus is our in his first eleven starts, I mean, 82 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: sixteen runs and sixty seven innings, last two starts twenty 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: runs and five and two thirds innings, two point one 84 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: five era. Last Friday, when we recorded an episode last Friday, 85 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: the Reese Hoskins episode, he had a two to one 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: five era. Now it's four to four six. First pitcher 87 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: in baseball history. It allowed twenty earned runs in fewer 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: than six innings in a span of two starts. Now, Jim, 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 3: you mentioned you haven't seen something like this. A guy 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: go from cy Young candidate NL All Stars, started to 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 3: have two starts like this. I went back and I 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: looked at the last time the Phillies pitchers that have 93 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: allowed eight or more runs, because he allowed eight on 94 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: Thursday against Toronto. The last Phillies pitchers to allow eight 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: plus runs in consecutive starts. And I thought this list 96 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: was kind of interesting. So the last Phillies pitcher to 97 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: do it was Aaron Nola in June of twenty sixteen. 98 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: Now remember Aaron Nola in twenty sixteen. A month later, 99 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: he went on the injured list at elbow and did 100 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: not pitch the rest of the season. So that was 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: Aaron Nola bad elbow. The last pitcher before that was 102 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: Roy Halliday April May of twenty thirteen. Yeah, well he 103 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: was you remember now he made those two starts, he 104 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: went on the injured list. 105 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: Had right shoulder surgery. 106 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: The last pitcher before that was Adam Eaton in July 107 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: of two thousand and eight. Those are the last two 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: starts he ever made for the Phillies. He made two 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: relief appearances after that and then never pitched for the 110 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: Phillies again. So those are the last three Phillies pitchers 111 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: to have back to back performances like this, and all 112 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: three of those guys Nola elbow, Halliday shoulder, Adam Eaton, 113 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: he was probably just washed up at that point. 114 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 7: I mean, well, health is the first Health is the 115 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 7: first thing we think of with when we see a 116 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 7: guy have two starts like Lozaro. 117 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Okay, there's an injury. Is he healthy? 118 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 7: But you know the big telltale on health is Velo 119 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 7: and he was humping ninety eight yesterday, so you know 120 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 7: what gives. 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be a health issue. I 122 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 4: don't think it is. I don't think he's complained about it. 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: I don't think he's talked about it. I don't think that. 124 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: Having just looked at the stuff, the ball coming out 125 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: of his hand. Now it's a little flatter, but it's 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: still stuff, and you know, obviously there's something going on. 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 4: He knows he needs to fix it. He knows he 128 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: needs to fix it fast because you know he needs. 129 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: You know, he's a competitive kid man. I mean, this 130 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 5: kid wants to do well. He's a great kid. 131 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: We've got a chance to chat with him, and you 132 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: know he has a high expectation of himself. He changed 133 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: things up by going with the corn Rows to Jeddie 134 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: because he's a very superstitious kid as well. So you know, 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: it's it's it's mind boggling. There's something going on. They'll 136 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: figure it out. The Phillies are smart. The kid is 137 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: a smart kid. He's an athletic kid, and if there's 138 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: adjustment needs to be made, he'll figure it out. But 139 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: something does need to get figured out because. 140 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 5: It's not sustainable. 141 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: Obviously not sustainable if he continues a bitch like that, 142 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: and it really does put a little chink in the 143 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 4: armor there as far as the as far as the 144 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: overall quality of that starting rotation. 145 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: No question. And the foundation of this team is that 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: starting staff. 147 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 5: And now you start. Yeah, now you've got. 148 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 7: The world's longest sprained ankle, and you got you know, 149 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 7: you know, Wheeler attending to his family, which is which 150 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 7: is fine, but you know. 151 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: You don't have a hit or doesn't have his base, 152 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: his foundation. He's got nothing. This team doesn't have his 153 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: starting rotation, its foundation. It's it's in trouble. 154 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: You know, last Phillies pitcher to low twenty runs or 156 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: more in consecutive appearances was Dutch Schlessler in nineteen thirty one, 157 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: a couple of relief appearances. 158 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: Believe it or not. 159 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: You know, back in the day, He's got as would 160 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: come in the third inning and pitch eight inning or 161 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: seven innings, six innings in an extra inning game. Last 162 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: Phillies pitchered allow twenty twenty runs or more in consecutive 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: starts Ray Bengi in nineteen thirty So, I mean, we 164 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 3: haven't seen something like this. Twenty runs are more in 165 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: consecutive starts by the Phillies pitcher in almost one hundred years, 166 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: which is you think of? I mean, yeah, you just 167 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: think of all the guys they have pitched on one 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: hundred years and Jesus Zardo Ray Bengi and. 169 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: The bullpen had to suck up all those innings. Yeah, 170 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: on Thursday, haven't. 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: Now after this evening they have to have a bullpen 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 4: game with chill Ross starting. 173 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: And that's uh, that's problematic. 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 7: All this starting push, all this starting pitching after we've 175 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 7: been talking about for the last two weeks. 176 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Now they have a freaking bullpen game. 177 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: Exactly right, Hey, guys, this weekend, the Phillies are in Pittsburgh. 178 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: But if you're looking for something to do. 179 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: Swing by my neck of the woods, Swing by Delco. 180 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: People say Delco is a lot, and they're right. 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We got there, guys, I. 198 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 7: Want to I want to give a shout out to 199 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 7: one of my good buddies, Ed Crowley listening to the 200 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 7: pod and Dunedin, Florida, and of course he runs Delco's 201 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 7: Cheese Steaks. 202 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: They're on Main Street and Dunedin. 203 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: Awesome Delco's, Yeah and Yeah, and they're right behind home 204 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: plate at at Bake hair Ballpark as well. 205 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 7: He told me a great story that Fred McGriff apparently 206 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 7: comes in there all the time and nobody recognizes him. 207 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: Is that right? 208 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 5: I hung out. 209 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 4: I hung out with Fred McGriff at a bar in 210 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: Atlanta one time. 211 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 5: We stood in the corner and not no one knew 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 5: who he was. 213 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 7: I had four hundred and ninety six home runs, one 214 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 7: of the great gentlemen of the game, great player, and 215 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 7: he comes in and gets his cheese steak and walks 216 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 7: out the door. 217 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: I would have him autographed the cheesesteak. 218 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta get that autograph for sure. 219 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 5: Man. 220 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: Well, we were talking ahead Ruby, you know, we were 221 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: talking a little bit about their their pitching, but the 222 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 4: offense is the issue that I'm. 223 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: Not a little concerned about. What do you think? 224 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: Well, Ruben, I wanted to ask you this and Jim 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: Jim as well. 226 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: And the offense is that I think that what they 227 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: scored six runs in the first game of that series, 228 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: they scored four runs. 229 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: In the final Let's do the masks, thanks Jim. Four 230 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: runs in the final twenty sixth innings. 231 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: And I want to ask you guys about it. About 232 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: the leadoff hitter right now. Bryson sid this is a 233 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: guy that we've talked about, can be a three hundred hitter. 234 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: We have talked about him. You know, he would make 235 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: a lot of sense in the leadoff spot. They've won 236 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: a lot of games since he moved in the leadoff 237 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: spot in mid April. But since May one, Bryson Stott 238 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: is batting one ninety six, two home runs, eleven RBIs 239 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 3: five eighteen ops. 240 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: He has a two point fifty on base percentage in 241 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: that span. And I'm wondering, do we start talking about 242 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: making a change in the leadoff spot. I mean, he's 243 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: seen it. 244 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: He sees a lot of pitches, which is great, but 245 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: you also at some point have to have some production 246 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: up there. And he's he's absolutely he's been scuffling for 247 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: more than. 248 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: A month now. 249 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 4: I've be an advocate of him being in a one 250 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: role forever, and I really think that he has the 251 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 4: tools to do it. But he's going through a month 252 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: long slump right now. That that has heard him that 253 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: I mean, they it's amazing that they did so well 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 4: in May, just in general without any real production from him. Again, 255 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: I still have some confidence that he can, you know, 256 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: bounce back. But if in the next you know, a 257 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 4: week or ten days or whatever, he doesn't get going, 258 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: then I'll just go ahead and slide Turner up there 259 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: and let him roll with the way Turner's. 260 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 5: Been swinging the bat. He's been in all the whole field. 261 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a little shocked that that Bryce is not. 262 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 4: That Bryson has not you know, continued to develop, because 263 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 4: I think he still has those tools and and those 264 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: abilities and bat the ball skills and the base running ability. 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: But you know, they're seeking wins and they need to 266 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: do that by with production, and uh, they're not getting 267 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: it right now. I would stay with him for another 268 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 4: couple of weeks and see how that goes, and continue 269 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: that sort of platoon against lefties and righties. But you know, 270 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: he has not, he has not come through lately. I 271 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 4: think he's much better than he's shown in this past month. 272 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: But he also has to get it done because it's 273 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: a it's a production business, and if you're not getting 274 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: the production done, then it becomes very, very difficult to 275 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: win baseball games. 276 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 7: I would not stick with him for a couple more weeks. 277 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 7: I would do something this weekend. I mean, and I'm 278 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 7: a patience guy. I think patience is a very very 279 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 7: valuable virtue in baseball. I think it's needed. It's just 280 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 7: because of the nature of the sport. Every day there's ups, 281 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 7: there's downs. A lot can be dictated by the guy 282 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 7: on the mound that night, and sometimes you just tip 283 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 7: your hat. And but as much as I would advocate 284 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 7: for some patience, I do think there's a time when 285 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 7: the manager says this ain't good enough, and you know, 286 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 7: shake things up and trade. Turner is getting on base, 287 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 7: he's using the whole field. He's figuring out ways to 288 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 7: get on on first base, which is, to me, the 289 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 7: job of a leadoff me. I think I'm not saying 290 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 7: I would sit start, but I would. 291 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I would shake that. 292 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 7: Lineup up, get Turner up top, move, move Stot down. 293 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 7: Like I said, this ain't good enough, and you know 294 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 7: they've lost. They've had a tough little stretch here. This 295 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 7: is about the time last year. It's exactly the time 296 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: last year when they went into a tough stretch. I 297 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 7: think you need to nip it, and I think you 298 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 7: need to send a little message. 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Now it's interesting. 332 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: So the expected numbers, right, and the expected batting average, 333 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: that's basically just what they expect you to hit based off. 334 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: Of exit velocity, launch angle and those types of things. 335 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Expected numbers off the fastball in April was too eighty seven, 336 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: expected off the fastball in May was two ninety seven. 337 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: So if you if you wanted to, you could say, 338 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: maybe he's run into some bad luck in May, some 339 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: balls didn't find hole or he hit him right at guys, 340 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: and maybe there's certainly something to that, but you know, 341 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: there's been some at bats recently that you certainly could 342 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: have been a. 343 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: Lot better, I guess. 344 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: So I just wanted to throw that out there in 345 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: terms of bryce and size, is this offense continues to struggle. 346 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: So the offense in the last two games, he went 347 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: five for thirty one in each game. Ten for sixty two. Wow, 348 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: ten for sixty two. I think those are the right numbers. 349 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 4: I'm not big numbers, guys, but that's pretty much. I mean, 350 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 4: you're not getting it done. But ten for sixty two 351 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 4: with this kind of lineup, and you know, they faced 352 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 4: some decent pitching. Those guys are you know, yeah, but 353 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: they have to be able to hit good pitching and 354 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 4: that's you know, that's part of being a good but 355 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: ball club and it starts to strike. This is a 356 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 4: good test because they are again they're going to face 357 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 4: Skins again in Pittsburgh and see how they handle him again. 358 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 4: I mean, Skins pitched brilliantly against him last time, and 359 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 4: he's a brilliant pitcher. But they're gonna have to make 360 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 4: some adjustments. I guess some other guys have got to 361 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: face and there's some good pitching. They have to make 362 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 4: adjustments and do some damage against those guys too. So, uh, 363 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: I am concerned about this offense because it's not rolling 364 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 4: the way you would expect it to roll right now. 365 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: And this was a good test after playing those poor 366 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: teams and some of those really bad bullpens. Now they're 367 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 4: playing some a little bit better teams and they're not producing, 368 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: and uh so there should be some level of concern. 369 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 4: And I'm sure there is that front office and the 370 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: people in uh, you know, in the coaching staff. I'm 371 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: sure that they're thinking, Okay, why are we not playing 372 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: better baseball. Let's let's kick it in gear a little bit. 373 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: And uh, you know they're gonna have to you know, 374 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: they're gonna have to do that. They're gonna have to 375 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: gear up and and uh and make some adjustments and 376 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 4: and perhaps make some changes because in the back part 377 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 4: of that lineup right now, it's almost dead water and 378 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: they're not doing a whole lot. 379 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: It's not uh, it's not happening at the back end 380 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 5: of that lineup. 381 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: After Casianos right now, who's been really consistent. You got 382 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: to give some love to the guy because he's been 383 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: one of their most consistent. Is didn't close to three 384 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: hundred and or if not three hundred and beyond that, 385 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: they're getting nothing, like literally almost nothing, and they need 386 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: to have some more production from the back end of 387 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: that lineup because it's been it's been light, super. 388 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 7: Light left left field, left field, center fielding, no left field, 389 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 7: center fielding, catcher, not get much. 390 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Max, Max Kepler in the last month has bet 391 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: in one sixty eight. So, uh, you know this and 392 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: that's and that's not well, he's he's faced a lot 393 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: of lefties in that time. It's almost exclusively against right handed, 394 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: right handed pitching, which he's supposed to, which he came 395 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: here to kind of like blow up and and and 396 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: that hasn't happened. So yeah, no doubt the offense they need, 397 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: they need to get it going. And this kind of 398 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 3: plays into the whole wall they you know, who did 399 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: they beat a. 400 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: Couple of weeks ago. They beat all these bad teams 401 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: and so now, you know. 402 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, becomes a reality if you if if if these 403 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: guys don't start playing the day the way that they've 404 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: you know, they're expected to. 405 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: Play, right, were you guys? 406 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: So Taiwan Walker came in yesterday Thursday and pitching inning 407 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 3: and relief, and everybody's like, all right, we're gonna see 408 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: what is how his stuff jumps. It's gonna jump, and 409 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: we're gonna get him, give him a look as a 410 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: as a late inning guy, and I want to see 411 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: what he does in one ending way. He comes out 412 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: and I think the fastballs popped out at popped out 413 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 3: at ninety three. 414 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: To me, that was a little disappointing just one appearance, 415 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: you know. 416 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: I guess Rob Thompson said after the game that you know, 417 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: Taiwan didn't necessarily have maybe the time that he needed 418 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: to properly warm up. But it's just I'm just mentioning 419 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: it because this is something that we're gonna so hopefully 420 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: then next time, if that's the case, he gets enough 421 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: warm ups and he comes out and he starts throwing 422 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: a little bit harder because I think everybody's hoping that 423 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: the stuff plays up because they need him. 424 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: To help this bullpen out. 425 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 4: So I stated this in the in the broad cast, 426 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 4: and I think this is somewhat true, and you don't 427 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: really know exactly where he is until he's pitching in 428 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: a situation where the game's on the line and the 429 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: adrenaline's flown. 430 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 5: It's eight nothing. The game meant absolutely nothing. At that point. 431 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: They were not going to win the game unless some 432 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: miracle like that what happened in Atlanta yesterday was going 433 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: to happen, which is rare. 434 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: That's crazy. 435 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 4: We can talk about that a little bit more of 436 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 4: what's going on with some of these games, but the 437 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: reality of it is that when you have an adrenaline 438 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 4: rush out of that bullpen and you know you have 439 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: to get three outs to win the game or to 440 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: keep the game in hand, uh, there's a totally different 441 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 4: feel than going into an eight nothing game. For the 442 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: first time you're coming into the out of the bullpen. 443 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 4: I'm sure he's going, I know I have to do this, 444 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: but this is like a spring training game for me. 445 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 4: And so that's a that's a that's a totally different 446 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 4: for a veteran guy who's been the starter his whole career, 447 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 4: pretty much his whole career. Now he's and deserves sort 448 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 4: of to stay in the starting rotation. Now he's relegated 449 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: to the bullpen. He's supposed to be playing, playing, pitching 450 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 4: and important innings and he's coming in an eight nothing game. 451 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 4: I know why he did it. I know why Rob 452 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: did it. He had to get him the feel of 453 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 4: coming out of the bullpen and getting ready and pitching 454 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 4: in one inning. But I think it's gonna be a 455 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 4: little bit different. I mean, he did his job, got 456 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: his three outs, but it's gonna be different when it's 457 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: time for him to uh to try to lock down 458 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: a game or to keep a game in hand. And 459 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: I'm interested in that situation much more than a one 460 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: that he just came in on. 461 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: Totally agree that was There was no adrenaline there. It 462 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: was mop up. 463 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 7: It was like the night Joe Girardi had to get 464 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 7: on the phone with Nick Pavetta trying to convince him 465 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 7: to come into that game years ago. 466 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't think that's an accurate judge. 467 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 7: But I've always said, I'm I'm I don't know how 468 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 7: the stuff is going to play out in the bullpen. 469 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 7: And you know, I don't know if ninety two or 470 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 7: three is going to play out there unless you're really precise, 471 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 7: unless that breaking ball is really good, unless that split 472 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 7: is dancing. And I just don't know how it's gonna 473 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 7: work out there. We're not talking about, you know, a 474 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 7: young kid like like a mick Abel. 475 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 1: He's had this little tick in velocity since he's come up. 476 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, stuff is playing a little hard. I guess 477 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: it's adrenaline and whatnot. 478 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 7: But I think a young kid, he put him out 479 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 7: in the bullpen, you might get a little bit more 480 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 7: on the fastball in a short spurt. A guy with 481 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 7: all those innings, you know, over thirty years old. I 482 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 7: don't know that there's going to be a huge tick 483 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 7: up in stuff, but I guess we're gonna find out. 484 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 7: But it's tough to find out in a mop up 485 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 7: situation because I'm sure he was thinking I. 486 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 3: Got to go into this thing, you know, Jim, On 487 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: on Wednesday, we were taking listener question reader questions. Listener 488 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: question your questions. 489 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: Nobody reads anymore? 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one reads anymore well on your phone on 491 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: their phone, they do? 492 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: I do. 493 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 5: Uh. 494 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: We were we were talking about mick Abel, and you said, man, 495 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: at some point he keeps doing this, I'm gonna not 496 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: be thinking about who the Phillies might be able to 497 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: get for mick Abel. I'm going to be thinking about 498 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: how he can help the Phillies in a in a 499 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: roll down the stretch and man, what you see him 500 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: pitch on Wednesday night and you're going, maybe they got 501 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 3: hold out of this guy. 502 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's funny. 503 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 7: I could see he kind of lost his mechanics and 504 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 7: think it was the sixth in he did kind of 505 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 7: pull the ball a little bit, you know. 506 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: But my point was, you know, last year he couldn't 507 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: throw strikes. 508 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 7: You're like, and then over the winter you're thinking, well, 509 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 7: maybe they can get something for him, or last year 510 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 7: at the at the deadline. 511 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Maybe they can get something for him. 512 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 7: Now I'm starting to you know, when you drive up 513 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 7: ninety five and you get to like Center City and 514 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 7: you start to see the Ben Franklin and you see 515 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 7: those two humungo granite pillars on which the Ben Franklin 516 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 7: Bridge springs from. 517 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Painter and Abel. I don't know that I 518 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: want to do anything. 519 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 5: You know. 520 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: Uh, you know some of those teams that didn't want 521 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 4: to trade for Abel because of his stock last year 522 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: are kicking themselves. Yeah, I guarantee you right now, the 523 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: A's or the Saint Louis Cardinals or some other teams 524 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 4: are going, God, we could have got a damn good 525 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: pitcher last year and maybe even a really good third basement. Yeah, 526 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: because there is this there. This kid has developed really 527 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 4: nicely so far. You know, the proof is still in 528 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: the pudding. He still has to continue to pitch and 529 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: do it for a long time. But from what I've seen, 530 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 4: as far as his poise and the way he's handled 531 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: himself and his focus, I've been super impressed by what 532 00:26:59,560 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: he's done. 533 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: And yeah, you're right about that. 534 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 4: He hit a little bit of a wall in the 535 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: sixth inning, went into the stretch and sort of started struggling, 536 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 4: and his mechanics got away from him a little bit, 537 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: but they did a good job of getting them out 538 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: of there. But they didn't give him a whole lot 539 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 4: of offensive support, no, sadly, And they didn't give him 540 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: any defensive support, and. 541 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: In no way. No, you're right about the defense that 542 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: that ball's got to be caught. 543 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, the ball in center field has to be caught, 544 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 5: has to be caught. 545 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 7: You need a guy who can put stuff away. You know, 546 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 7: those are not errors, but they're plays that a sharp 547 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 7: team makes. But with able, I'm not suggesting he's anywhere 548 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 7: near a finished product. There's there's gonna be a night 549 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 7: when he gets his nose bloodied. 550 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 5: And honestly, I'm interested to see how he bounces back 551 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: from that to Jim. 552 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 7: That it'll be good for him, yes, and how he 553 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 7: bounces back and it becomes a growth moment. But right 554 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 7: right now, and I'm not just saying and it's about 555 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 7: the two starts he's had in the big leagues, I'm 556 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 7: saying about that little body of work over the first 557 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 7: two months in Triple A, threw more strikes, seems more 558 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 7: comfortable in his own skin, seems more confident letting that 559 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 7: talent kind of. 560 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Bubble to the surface. You just really have to like 561 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: what you see. 562 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 7: And and you know the potential that Brian Barber and 563 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 7: all his guys saw, they saw it for a reason. 564 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 7: And you know, he's still a very very young man. 565 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 7: So you know, I'm just thinking about what he might 566 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 7: become with with with Painter at the top, and who knows. 567 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: It's a fickle game, but kind of like like the. 568 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 7: Possibility of those two young men as uh, you know, 569 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 7: twin studs. 570 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see how things develop. 571 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what everybody was talking about. 572 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 4: Hey, I wanted to go back a little bit Todd 573 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 4: and talk about the bullpen because I saw a couple 574 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 4: of guys. 575 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 5: You know, we talked about who can they acquire. 576 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 4: You know, is the guy from you know are from 577 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 4: Tampa Bay, you know the couple of you know, a 578 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: couple of Mason Miller and you know all those other guys. Well, 579 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: I saw a left hander in Toronto and Brandon Little, 580 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: the kid from brynmar who was lights out. You want 581 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: somebody to replace Alvarado? Holy smokes. This guy's quote unquote 582 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: knuckle curve. It's really a slider, is filthy and it's nasty. 583 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: And he's been outstanding in the last couple of that's 584 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: six weeks or so, he's been lights out, really impressive 585 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: with what I've seen from him. I mean, that's the 586 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: sort of under the radar type of arm that they 587 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 4: are probably trying to pursue right now, to give them 588 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 4: a little bit of depth in that in that bullpen, 589 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: to give Matt Strom and Tanner Banks an extra left 590 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 4: handed arm to help them, or even a right handed arm, 591 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 4: doesn't matter which one. But that's the type of picture 592 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 4: I think that would be interesting to try to acquire. 593 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: I don't know what's gonna take to get him. 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: The Jay's are in. I'm just I don't. 595 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: Think the Jays will trade him. 596 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I mean, that's sort of a veteran, 597 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 4: sort of a veteran guy right now because he's twenty eight, 598 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: twenty nine years old. 599 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: He hasn't pitched a lot in the big leagues. 600 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: But but that's the type of player that you sort 601 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: of want to see that somebody's who is sort of 602 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 4: under the radar but has can have real effective stuff 603 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: to get outs, important outs in the back end there. 604 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: So this weekend Phillies in Pittsburgh, Ruby, you got, you 605 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: got quite the view. 606 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: You must have the VIP suite behind it. 607 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: The GMS. 608 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 5: You may have a suite. I do not have a suite. 609 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: Let me start. Let me start with that one. I 610 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 4: guess you have a suite. I used to have sweets 611 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: when I was in assistant GM and the GM when 612 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 4: you were when you were sweet. 613 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, when I was much sweeter. Uh but uh, but 614 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 5: this is the US Steel Building. 615 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful building back there, and it's actually I 616 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: like aberg I love their ballpark. Love It's always been 617 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 4: in the top five for me yep, and looking forward 618 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: to it. The weather's not great. I think we're gonna 619 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: get through these first two games, okay, dancing in the 620 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: in the rain a little bit. But they got to 621 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: do a little damage against the old Pittsburgh Pirates because 622 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 4: that's an abysmal offense. 623 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: I mean abysmal. 624 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 4: I'm talking about an abysmal offense, and they need to 625 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 4: do some damage against it. Their pitching's okay, and that's 626 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: a good that'll be good test for these guys. Offensively, 627 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 4: they got to do some damage here, so. 628 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 3: Maybe they can muddle through this bullpen game. On Friday night, 629 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: Joe Ross is going to start. I guess he's going 630 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 3: to go to two plus innings. That's the plan anyway, 631 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: and they're going to hopefully, hopefully he's going to go 632 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: to two innings, maybe two plus innings if he can 633 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: get through that lineup facing former Phillies Lefty Bailey Falter 634 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: that Saturday. 635 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: He's been throwing, well, yeah, he has been. You know, 636 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: think about how is Philly's career ended when. 637 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: He's terrible last year, but he's bounce back. Yeah, but 638 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: he's bound back. And then Saturday it's Ranger Swarz versus 639 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: Andrew Haney, and then Sunday is Christopher Sanchez versus Paul Schemes. 640 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 7: So hey, Ruben, You've got a beautiful view of the 641 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 7: US Steel Building, but you got nothing on me. I 642 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 7: got a beautiful view of the Chester County Prison. 643 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: Yes, Jim is doing this from his warden suite. 644 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 5: Are you the wardeners and the wharden. 645 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm just a yeah, I'm just an inmate. 646 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 5: I understand. 647 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 3: Well, guys, uh, Ruben, enjoy the weekend in Pittsburgh and 648 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: we will be back on Monday. 649 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: Smell you, lated, boys. 650 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 5: Jim. 651 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 652 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: Territory Network. 653 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and wherever you 654 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: get your podcasts. 655 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: If you like us, give us a review, follow us 656 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: on Instagram, TikTok hey, Facebook, and threads. 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