Speaker 1: Josh Rodriguez and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Talking Cowboys on a Friday. We are here
Speaker 2: live from training camp in Oxnard, California. Nate, did you
Speaker 2: want to do the the open?
Speaker 3: I just love how you can come you be talking
Speaker 3: just normal playing professional toe if you start over it started, Yea.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Talking Cowboys live from Trading Camp and Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: We're here. I am Josh Rodriguez. I'm here with Patrick
Speaker 2: no c.
Speaker 4: Walker.
Speaker 2: I'm here with Nathaniel Newton, Christopher Paul Beemer in the
Speaker 2: background doing his thing, killing it absolutely.
Speaker 5: As always, nice crisp white hat.
Speaker 6: I don't know how it keeps that hat white, because okay,
Speaker 6: that's that's you can't have money a new white cap.
Speaker 5: Every day.
Speaker 2: You get three or four wears out of a white
Speaker 2: hat and then you got to toss it or something,
Speaker 2: or you know, give it to a loved one or such. Boys.
Speaker 2: We're here. It is a beautiful Friday. We didn't have
Speaker 2: a traditional practice yesterday. We had walked through yesterday. But
Speaker 2: let's catch up on news and notes. Patrick c no
Speaker 2: see Walker, do you want to yeah?
Speaker 5: Kicking off?
Speaker 6: Got a couple of transactions from the Cowboys in the
Speaker 6: wake of the Sam Williams torn acl.
Speaker 5: Obviously, like we talked about, he's out for the season.
Speaker 6: Cowboys knowing that they need some defensive help, defensive end help,
Speaker 6: they worked out four guys. Three of those included a
Speaker 6: name like Carl Lawson. You had Shaka Toni, Al quad
Speaker 6: In Muhammad and of those four guys, because you had
Speaker 6: Holland in there as well.
Speaker 5: But of those four guys.
Speaker 6: Shaka Toni, Chakazulu Shaka Toni, and al quade In Muhammad,
Speaker 6: they got the nods. So they were signed and it
Speaker 6: was made official this morning. I got the text this morning.
Speaker 6: It was made official, so they are expected to be
Speaker 6: on the practice field as early as today, which is
Speaker 6: the third padded practice. To make room for those additions,
Speaker 6: the Cowboys waived injured undrafted rookie wide receiver Corey Krums
Speaker 6: who had a lower leg injury. I'm total it was
Speaker 6: an ankle injury. So he's gonna hit waivers and if
Speaker 6: he clears waivers, he'll revert to the Cowboys ir and they.
Speaker 5: May work out an injury settlement at that point.
Speaker 6: But Corey Kroumes, he was promising in rookie mini camp
Speaker 6: OTAs and and mandatory mini camp, but suffers an ankle injury.
Speaker 6: Cowboys are now at a full ninety plus one, the
Speaker 6: plus plus one being rookie Denzel Dackson. Obviously he's of
Speaker 6: Bahamian blood and so he goes with the IPP exemption.
Speaker 7: So is truth.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys did not know that.
Speaker 6: It is very true fortuitous for them because when they
Speaker 6: signed the young man in April after the draft, that
Speaker 6: was not the intention signing him.
Speaker 5: They saw something in him.
Speaker 6: They wanted to get him out here at training camp
Speaker 6: and see what they can develop. And then after signing him,
Speaker 6: it came to their attention that he is in fact
Speaker 6: a qualifier for the i PP International program. So yeah,
Speaker 6: he is a plus one. So if he he can
Speaker 6: either earn his way into the active roster or if
Speaker 6: he turns out to be you know, good enough to
Speaker 6: be on the practice squad and they carry him and
Speaker 6: continue to develop him, he will not count against the
Speaker 6: practice squad.
Speaker 2: Seaton, that's good to know. Yeah, that's good to know. Knowledge,
Speaker 2: information science if you will science.
Speaker 4: Yes, science, science.
Speaker 2: We don't have to drop like we like we usually do.
Speaker 2: But Nate, what did you think of practice yesterday? What
Speaker 2: do you think the walkthroughs did you get to What
Speaker 2: do we get out of walk through To be.
Speaker 3: Honest with the public and to be very frank with everyone,
Speaker 3: I do not get anything out of walk throughs. I
Speaker 3: don't even participate in the walk throughs. That's for the
Speaker 3: scientists over here, the mad scientists, to watch these practices
Speaker 3: in these walk throughs, because we can't divulge anythings from
Speaker 3: these walk throughs.
Speaker 7: We can't take movies. All we can do is take
Speaker 7: steal shots. You know what? Have at it? What did
Speaker 7: you gain from this? Patrick?
Speaker 6: Well, I would say this because I know that yesterday
Speaker 6: Nate was working on his tan Dove was having the
Speaker 6: sun on his back. He's working on his tam. But yeah,
Speaker 6: like you said, there's not much to take away from
Speaker 6: the mock games as far as what can be publicized,
Speaker 6: But as far as scheme and as far as personnel,
Speaker 6: the biggest takeaway is that Trevon Diggs, yes, was taking
Speaker 6: first team reps in that mock game walkthrough. Does that
Speaker 6: mean he's ready for padded practice. No, that's not what
Speaker 6: that means. But it does mean that he's taking strides
Speaker 6: toward finally getting on.
Speaker 5: The field for the Cowboys. So you have that Tyler guy.
Speaker 6: And he was also taking some more first team reps
Speaker 6: in the mock game, which is beginning to come become
Speaker 6: a trend because he was taking them in the first
Speaker 6: mock game. He took them in the first padded practice
Speaker 6: when he Doga was being looked at for injury. But
Speaker 6: he Dogo was back at the second padd of practice
Speaker 6: and guess what, guy and was still getting some first
Speaker 6: team reps. So as far as positioning that personnel, you
Speaker 6: can take those things away, and those are the bigger
Speaker 6: the two bigger takeaways that I had from yesterday.
Speaker 2: As far as Traybon digs Go goes with the injury,
Speaker 2: do you think the Cowboys should have him on a snapcout?
Speaker 2: I think I already know the answer, but I think
Speaker 2: for people at home curious, do you think he should
Speaker 2: be on it snapcount going into the season recovering from
Speaker 2: this acl there? Yes, Now, we didn't do this with
Speaker 2: Terren Still last year.
Speaker 5: And how that didn't you struggled a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, And I know Nate and I were talking about
Speaker 2: this yesterday. As far as you know, the possible shouts
Speaker 2: to John the lawnmore man, he's getting closer. John Lawn
Speaker 2: is his name, John.
Speaker 5: I like that. That's the name I can get on board.
Speaker 5: Not any lone loneie like we're not doing that that.
Speaker 6: But no, I think I do think that they should
Speaker 6: work him in gradually. And I know Big Nate kind
Speaker 6: of brought this up on Wednesday on the episode. As
Speaker 6: far as Nate's willing to say, you know, kind of
Speaker 6: sit him a couple of games. I don't know that
Speaker 6: I'm completely there, but I love the logic behind it
Speaker 6: because I say, you ramp him up. You saw Terrence
Speaker 6: still struggle in being put back out there immediately. You
Speaker 6: saw my fire basically, Yeah, you saw Michael Gallup struggle
Speaker 6: and being put out there immediately. And I think that
Speaker 6: Trayvon Diggs is just far too valuable to the franchise
Speaker 6: to rush him, and to that point, they've not rushed
Speaker 6: him to this point. They've been very deliberate, very cautious,
Speaker 6: and hopefully they keep with that because now you have
Speaker 6: the cornerback depth, especially with an addition like Kayln Carson
Speaker 6: on the boundary, even without Stefan Gilmore, you have the
Speaker 6: cornerback death that will allow you to maybe split reps
Speaker 6: with Trayvon Diggs and Kaylan Carson over the first couple
Speaker 6: of games, and then maybe by the time you get
Speaker 6: to October, maybe Trayvon is a full goal as far
Speaker 6: as playing time goes.
Speaker 3: My thing is I over exaggerate when I say eight
Speaker 3: games in six games in, but that's how far I'm
Speaker 3: willing to go. But I'm not a part of the
Speaker 3: training staff. I'm not Trayvon Diggs. He will know the
Speaker 3: training staff and him will decide.
Speaker 7: But I just believe when you.
Speaker 3: Have invested what they've invested in Trayvon like they did
Speaker 3: was still and with Gallop, it's just it's it's not
Speaker 3: a noun thing. It's a future thing too, and so
Speaker 3: uh it's a big picture. Yeah, yeah, that's my big
Speaker 3: thing is and I do go overboard with that.
Speaker 7: With that particular injury.
Speaker 3: You know, if if a guy had an elbow or
Speaker 3: something like that or big toe, that's one thing, but
Speaker 3: you're talking about the whole All of these guys had
Speaker 3: almost restructured needs.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and uh, that's a mental thing.
Speaker 3: Man. I've just seen it with players in the past,
Speaker 3: and and it seemed like the guys that take their
Speaker 3: time and kind of be on a snap count kind
Speaker 3: of come back gradually seem to have a lot more
Speaker 3: success in the long run.
Speaker 6: I'll add this for those that might be wondering, will
Speaker 6: Big Nate No. See, you're saying, you know, put Trayvon
Speaker 6: on the snap count first couple of games and so,
Speaker 6: but you're not saying that about John Stevens Junior.
Speaker 5: You're not saying that about the Marrion over Shown.
Speaker 6: The reason we're not saying it is because the timing
Speaker 6: of the injury. Okay, John Stevens Junior and Marion over
Speaker 6: Shown they suffered their tour the a CLS prior weeks
Speaker 6: prior to during the Preson Diggs. Correct, Trevon Diggs suffered
Speaker 6: his middle of September, so he was roughly a month behind.
Speaker 6: And that tracks with what we're saying. We're fine with
Speaker 6: the Marion Overshown going out there being unleashed in week one.
Speaker 6: We're fine with John Stevens Junior being unleased week one.
Speaker 6: But look at the timeline. We're saying, ramp Treyvon up
Speaker 6: so that by the end of September, which will then
Speaker 6: be just over a year from him suffering the injury,
Speaker 6: he should be a full go.
Speaker 3: And another thing, I understand this right here. I'm a realist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no one is really talking about Overshown. No one is
Speaker 3: really talking about John Stevens. That what everybody action. The
Speaker 3: question is Trayvon, and that is what we're answering. If
Speaker 3: you ask the question about these other guys, I would
Speaker 3: basically give you the same answer that you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I also agree that I think well, I disagree almost
Speaker 2: to a point. For the Marvin Overstown, I kind of
Speaker 2: want to wait on him too. I would put him
Speaker 2: on a staff count personally only because I need him.
Speaker 3: I think they have, but they have him there too
Speaker 3: because they will not.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what what if.
Speaker 6: We split the difference there and do exactly what they're
Speaker 6: doing and saying, here's your number of steps that you're
Speaker 6: going to play them off.
Speaker 5: You're on over shown and they're going to.
Speaker 6: Be defense not special yes, yeah, and then come October
Speaker 6: they start working him into special teams if need be,
Speaker 6: but they already have him on a snap count. Difference
Speaker 6: being Treyvon Diggs is not playing special teams, right, So
Speaker 6: you know, the math ain't math and when it comes
Speaker 6: to Trayvon Diggs. But yeah, they're willing to split the
Speaker 6: difference whether they're already.
Speaker 2: Doing it on Demo and John Stevens and same thing,
Speaker 2: same thing, And we all want to see them, of course,
Speaker 2: but I think just part of me is a little
Speaker 2: has PTSD from those injuries and like wanting to see
Speaker 2: them on the field after training camp last year, of
Speaker 2: them being so explosive on the field last season. I
Speaker 2: really need to see them.
Speaker 5: On the field this year.
Speaker 2: But I understand this cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 3: You're listening to three guys that just giving their opinion
Speaker 3: Britt Brown, Jim Mayer. Yes, and these players will make
Speaker 3: their decisions on individual needs, you know, not once individual
Speaker 3: needs and for them and then the team.
Speaker 7: So but this is just our opinion that.
Speaker 3: We're excited about these guys and we want to see
Speaker 3: them as quickly as possible. But I think the difference
Speaker 3: in us and most people want to see them safely
Speaker 3: the right way. Absolutely we think it is the right way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, because like you're saying, big Nate, you know,
Speaker 6: when it comes to Jim Marrow, when it comes to
Speaker 6: Brit Brown, incomparable job that they do, and nobody's going
Speaker 6: to convinced me they're not the best in the industry
Speaker 6: at what they do. I've seen too much as far
Speaker 6: as player recovery and things like that from the Dallas
Speaker 6: Cowboys to not give them their roses. So, you know,
Speaker 6: like Big Navy is saying, they're gonna look at all
Speaker 6: the variables, which includes information we don't have, MRIs and
Speaker 6: things like that, development trends, and then they're gonna get
Speaker 6: with the player. They're gonna get with the coaching staff,
Speaker 6: and they're gonna get with ownership and especially on a
Speaker 6: player like Treyvon Diggs, and they're gonna make the ultimate decision.
Speaker 6: And it's just us saying how we would like to
Speaker 6: see it rapped up. But that's not to say they
Speaker 6: wouldn't won't take that road anyway.
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair, all right, boys. We had a
Speaker 2: compress conference yesterday with Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons talks to
Speaker 2: the media and was talking about playing in different positions
Speaker 2: on the field, and we talked about it last episode
Speaker 2: at linebacker when we saw it in the pressure drill
Speaker 2: last week or it was a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: Any did you take anything away from what Micah said
Speaker 2: about playing in different positions like we've talked about.
Speaker 7: Before, weapon X as you call them. Okay, yes, uh,
Speaker 7: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that of all the names people have given him,
Speaker 3: that that weapon we're used that. I've always been a
Speaker 3: proponent of him being a linebacker slash pass rusher because
Speaker 3: the linebacker gives him a chance to make.
Speaker 7: Plays all over the field.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they can't line him up a different
Speaker 3: down lineman positions standard down, but as a linebacker and
Speaker 3: you not knowing where this kid gonna be man, and
Speaker 3: the schemes that Zim can come up with to make
Speaker 3: him so much more of a complete player. I understand
Speaker 3: he is the elite pass rusher. I would give him
Speaker 3: elite player, not yet. And I think if this year,
Speaker 3: if he can absorb the defense, learn the little nuances
Speaker 3: of the defense, and put his heart, mind, and soul
Speaker 3: and more of his mind into this game, man, we
Speaker 3: will see another level from this Partson's kid. I believe
Speaker 3: he has another level.
Speaker 5: And I agree.
Speaker 6: I do believe he has another level, and I think
Speaker 6: that he believes there's another level as well. And I
Speaker 6: pose the question to him as far as like the
Speaker 6: plan and will that change with the loss of Sam
Speaker 6: Williams before we get to that particular portion of it.
Speaker 6: This yesterday's conversation with Michael Parsons was the most detailed
Speaker 6: as far as revealing what the plan is from Mike
Speaker 6: Zimmer for Michael Parsons, and people are wondering is he
Speaker 6: going to be a full time defensive end? Is he
Speaker 6: going to be a full time off the ball linebacker.
Speaker 6: Here's a portion of Michael Parsons quote. They're quote, They're
Speaker 6: expanding my versatility and using me in ways I should
Speaker 6: be used. That's telling he was feeling away and moving
Speaker 6: me around to make offenses. I d me from other places,
Speaker 6: sending me where they should send me. Zimmer's gonna utilize
Speaker 6: every asset of my ability, and that's something I appreciate.
Speaker 5: End quote.
Speaker 6: So, not only does this tell you that Weapon X
Speaker 6: is going to be basically playing a game of where,
Speaker 6: forcing the play a game of where's Waldo? Or any
Speaker 6: given step also tells you that he's been waiting for
Speaker 6: this opportunity to truly be that versatile guy where you
Speaker 6: don't know if he's coming off the ball or if
Speaker 6: he's on the ball, And if he's off the ball,
Speaker 6: is he going to the quarterback ers. He dropp him
Speaker 6: back in coverage. Sounds like Micah and Zimmer have a plan.
Speaker 6: And to the other point, he did mention that Michaeh
Speaker 6: did that the loss of Sam Williams is not going
Speaker 6: to alter that plan at all at worst case scenario,
Speaker 6: if it forces Micah to stay on the field for
Speaker 6: a couple more downs, which is what Michael said. He
Speaker 6: said he's in condition with the drop weight to be
Speaker 6: able to do that, but maybe not, because that's why
Speaker 6: they brought in Mohammad and Tony hoping that they don't
Speaker 6: need those extra reps and they can workload manage him
Speaker 6: over the course.
Speaker 5: Of seventeen so he will be good in the postseason.
Speaker 3: And where he needs the most workloaders here in training camp. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't want to wear him out here in training camp,
Speaker 3: you know. And granted they don't practice the way we
Speaker 3: used to, thank God, but they're still they're.
Speaker 7: On their feet and when you own your feet standing.
Speaker 3: Up out here on this grass five or six hours
Speaker 3: a day, that can get tiring, regardless of whether you
Speaker 3: got on paths or not. So uh man, But I
Speaker 3: like that words you use. I d him in different places.
Speaker 7: Man, that's yeah. Well yeah, and so when you have
Speaker 7: to I d him.
Speaker 3: In different places, that means you have to scheme depending
Speaker 3: on down the distance in these different places.
Speaker 2: Like you said, his rookie year, he needs to be
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Speaker 2: the twelve man has become a thing. This is this
Speaker 2: is what I gathered yesterday. I wasn't in the coach
Speaker 2: Fossil two hour lecture.
Speaker 5: Shouts out to Fossil for that about.
Speaker 2: Special teams and the new kickoff rules, which you were
Speaker 2: in but that was the most not the most intriguing,
Speaker 2: But I was like, wait, we can have twelve men
Speaker 2: on the field for ones. So if at the kickoff
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Speaker 2: hold hold the kickoff, hold the ball for the kickoff,
Speaker 2: and immediately run off the field. But that is it.
Speaker 2: That is the one rule that will give you a
Speaker 2: twelve man on the field where it's okay and it
Speaker 2: won't cost us a game.
Speaker 6: You know what's interesting about Well, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: interesting parts about the new kickoff rules, and to be honest,
Speaker 6: and Josh and I were talking about this last night.
Speaker 6: It really is kind of a class Like I'm diving
Speaker 6: into it right now to try to learn the intricacies
Speaker 6: of it. And I was able to watch Texans versus
Speaker 6: Barriers last night, so we saw it in play in
Speaker 6: real time. But there's more to be learned. So we're
Speaker 6: going to be learning it at the same time as
Speaker 6: the fans are going to be learning it as the
Speaker 6: season goes on. But between that twelve man rule and
Speaker 6: you know the fact that the kickoff rules now make
Speaker 6: it where the kickoff is basically another play to be called.
Speaker 6: It's not just okay, send your special teams out there
Speaker 6: kick No, you have to be.
Speaker 5: Strategic about it, scheme. You have to scheme for it.
Speaker 6: So like you can have up to ten blockers, this
Speaker 6: is an example of what I'm talking about. You can
Speaker 6: have up to ten blockers, but you could drop one
Speaker 6: of those blockers back and have two returners and nine
Speaker 6: men up front. And if you have and it's what
Speaker 6: Bones Fossil say yesterday, if you have two you know,
Speaker 6: great returners that can apply pressure to the opposing team
Speaker 6: because there's different variations. Number One, which returner is getting
Speaker 6: the ball? If you have two back there, the other
Speaker 6: question is are both gonna stay as returners or is
Speaker 6: one gonna actually go up and block at the very
Speaker 6: last second, which is gonna throw off what the opposing
Speaker 6: team is trying to do, or is it gonna be
Speaker 6: this returner catches the ball and mister Rex and throws
Speaker 6: it to this So that's gonna create a lot of
Speaker 6: our opportunity for a lot of big plays also for
Speaker 6: the Cowboys, especially with turping, But it creates opportunity for
Speaker 6: somebody else alongside turping to step up and be a returner.
Speaker 6: I know some people on line were it're saying immediately
Speaker 6: it's deuced on I think it might be more strategic
Speaker 6: than that, because if that second returner has to have
Speaker 6: the ability to randomly go up and block, maybe it's
Speaker 6: a running back, and maybe you're talking about somebody like
Speaker 6: ric o'dowdle who also plays special team. So strategic and
Speaker 6: I love that it's gonna make the game that more interesting,
Speaker 6: that much more interesting.
Speaker 3: So where the kickoffs at and all of that, just
Speaker 3: talk about that at the same place, different spots kickoffs.
Speaker 5: Well, it's forty and forty okay.
Speaker 6: And as far as like the blocking is concerned for
Speaker 6: the return team, there's a five yard window in which
Speaker 6: the blockers can exist, right, So you can only have
Speaker 6: three blockers outside of the hashes, right, and you can
Speaker 6: have three inside, but you can have four inside. But
Speaker 6: it depends on if you're gonna drop one back. But
Speaker 6: it has to be within a five yard reference upframe
Speaker 6: of reference, so it shrinks the amount of blockers, not
Speaker 6: not the amount of blockers, but the amount of real
Speaker 6: estate those on. Also key to remember is that no
Speaker 6: one can move until the ball is either touched by
Speaker 6: the receiver or it's you know, our touchback or something
Speaker 6: that effects. So you have the landing zone which is
Speaker 6: twenty yards, and then you have the end zone itself.
Speaker 6: One another big takeaway and again we're studying this to
Speaker 6: try to get our hands around this. The returner barring
Speaker 6: the ball going out of the back of the end zone,
Speaker 6: the returner has to touch the ball. So whether it
Speaker 6: lands in the end zone and kind of just dies
Speaker 6: like a duck and lays there, or it lands in
Speaker 6: the landing zone the green zone and rolls into the
Speaker 6: end zone but not out of the back of the
Speaker 6: end zone. Obviously, in the past, if it rolled into
Speaker 6: the end zone, touchback plays dead. Now if it rolls
Speaker 6: into the end zone, if it's just sitting there, the
Speaker 6: kicking team can run down, pick up that ball and
Speaker 6: it's a touchdown for them, right, So little intricacies like
Speaker 6: that that's really gonna make for a lot of excitement
Speaker 6: going forward with this kickoff.
Speaker 2: For that all to happen in one offseason, that's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot for kicking special teams players to
Speaker 2: process and be able to on the fly understand and
Speaker 2: be able to produce the results on the field. We
Speaker 2: kind of got a preview of it last night at
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame game. But also the plays weren't
Speaker 2: going anywhere because they weren't trying to show off what
Speaker 2: their playing is for the regular season.
Speaker 3: So now even if they catch it in the end
Speaker 3: zone and don't bring it out, so it just brings
Speaker 3: out to the twenty five, it goes out to the thirty,
Speaker 3: where does the ball be placed?
Speaker 6: And that's what we're digging in to learn because there
Speaker 6: I recall Fossil saying there's a difference in where that
Speaker 6: ball is basically touched back, for example. So there's and
Speaker 6: again I'm not going to until we do the full
Speaker 6: class order and I dig into it. I just know
Speaker 6: for a fact it's not equal at any scenario, right,
Speaker 6: So we'll we'll do some more digging and we'll help
Speaker 6: break it down to the fans as we get a
Speaker 6: better understanding of it. But it's nothing like you've ever
Speaker 6: seen in the NFL. Ever, ever, ever, This is completely different.
Speaker 6: Scrap everything that you've ever learned about the kickoffs in
Speaker 6: the NFL, and it's time to just relearn. But that
Speaker 6: in and of itself is fun. I like learning science
Speaker 6: is fun.
Speaker 2: And if you want to look at some of those
Speaker 2: plays in action, look at the XFL. They had a
Speaker 2: lot of lots to play. They started their their league
Speaker 2: basically off with with these new kicking rules whenever they
Speaker 2: kind of restarted like two years ago. So you can
Speaker 2: see those plays and see the results of them and
Speaker 2: putting them in different situations. Obviously, then we're used to
Speaker 2: it's like always on the twenty five and then that's
Speaker 2: how every drive starts twenty five on twenty five unless
Speaker 2: it's a punt. But more to learn from that, anything
Speaker 2: from Coach Foster or sorry, Coach Zimmer and Coach Schoppenheimer
Speaker 2: that you want.
Speaker 6: To discuss, well, Schottenheimmer is mostly you know, focused on
Speaker 6: and like he said, and I love the fact that
Speaker 6: he was like when he referenced cdee lamb, he said,
Speaker 6: and I quote he'll be here, end quote. We know
Speaker 6: cd just come up just you know, finish handling your
Speaker 6: business and we'll see you soon. But he talked a
Speaker 6: lot about you know what we're talking about on an
Speaker 6: episode to episode basis as far as like these young
Speaker 6: receivers taking advantage of the opportunity he's that they're getting
Speaker 6: and then you know, that includes the three Jalens. That
Speaker 6: includes Tyran Billy Johnson, who I had a side chat
Speaker 6: with and he gave me some good some good quotes
Speaker 6: as well. Go at Voice of the Star shameless plug
Speaker 6: last night. I posted some quotes from him. But David
Speaker 6: Dirten is showing some things. And and then you have
Speaker 6: Cavante Turpin. Obviously he's doing some big things with the
Speaker 6: ones as well.
Speaker 12: Don't you do it, hey man, don't you do it?
Speaker 12: But but yeah, Shotenheimer, he spoke highly of the young
Speaker 12: wide receiver group and that they're taking advantage of their reps.
Speaker 5: And now we got the popcorn going on.
Speaker 7: Fat you smell that fatness came over?
Speaker 6: It's yeah, speaking to the spirit right, but no, so
Speaker 6: he talked about that and basically the level of comfort
Speaker 6: in the offense as far as the players are concerned.
Speaker 6: Last year, this time it was heavy installs. Players were
Speaker 6: trying to figure out their rolling expectations for McCarthy and
Speaker 6: Shottenheimer because last year set Jim's first time as the
Speaker 6: o C even though McCarthy's the play caller. Now everybody's comfortable,
Speaker 6: you know, outside of the rookies who are learning the situation,
Speaker 6: but place right, the installs are in place. Brandon cooks
Speaker 6: he's playing free more freely. Dak Prescott say, he's playing
Speaker 6: more freely than he's ever played. Jyalen Tobart obviously, Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 6: So they just need to figure out the running backs room.
Speaker 6: And that was interesting as well because Schottenheimer is not
Speaker 6: shining away from the fact that they're trying to figure
Speaker 6: out the running backs rotation count hunter lipkey, Hunter lipkey.
Speaker 6: You got eight guys back there. You're not going to
Speaker 6: carry eight guys into the season. So yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 6: have to figure that.
Speaker 12: Out over the next four boogie actually el boogie, el boogie,
Speaker 12: Like if you listen to the Players Lounge, they've coined it.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, if Players Lounges comes up with the name there,
Speaker 2: it's fine, But if Josh Rodriguez does, it's it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: According to past let's go with that.
Speaker 5: That's that's not entirely untrue.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's fan Friday. Let's jump into some
Speaker 2: fan questions.
Speaker 5: Boys are since y'all got for Big Nate way.
Speaker 2: We want to know, all right, Nate, what is the
Speaker 2: te room looking like? The tight End room looking like
Speaker 2: behind Jake Ferguson, I haven't heard much from Spanford and
Speaker 2: to see the extra alignment type.
Speaker 5: We got to bring him back because he's thinking popcorn,
Speaker 5: bring him back.
Speaker 2: What are we thinking of the tight Ends?
Speaker 3: Aside from Jake Luke Schoolmaker's up pronouncing that right. We
Speaker 3: need him to show up and be very, very consistent
Speaker 3: this year. He's had some nice catches in practice. He's
Speaker 3: he's staying healthy and we need for him to show up.
Speaker 7: I think Peyton Hendershot.
Speaker 3: This is this year to either make it big kind
Speaker 3: of move to the next level. So because with John
Speaker 3: Stevens coming back, they're gonna ask for this guy's I
Speaker 3: don't pronounced his last name right, They're gonna actually they're
Speaker 3: gonna ask a little bit more from this guy. So
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little tight race. But I'm looking
Speaker 3: for Schoolmaker to make this thing happen. I mean, you
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta make it happen somehow someway.
Speaker 6: It's so crowded, and I'll make this real quick because
Speaker 6: it's straightforward from me. For the tight Ends, Jake Ferguson
Speaker 6: is Jake Ferguson, and I believe he's gonna have an
Speaker 6: all pro season that taps on a thousand yards. If
Speaker 6: it doesn't get right over that, it's it's like big,
Speaker 6: they said. Luke Schoolmaker needs to remain healthy and then
Speaker 6: continue to stack good days. But he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 6: He's your second round pick from last year.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: John Stevens Jr. Would have made the roster last year
Speaker 6: if not for the torn ACL. So that tells me
Speaker 6: he's gonna make the roster this year. And he's looking
Speaker 6: good at his return from a torn ACL. We know
Speaker 6: what Princeton fans. Princeton fan is more of the blocker, right,
Speaker 6: They're more. He's getting what Sean McEwan used to get
Speaker 6: for the most part. So I believe Princeton fan gets
Speaker 6: a nod if only for special teams and spot blocking,
Speaker 6: inline blocking things like that. Here comes the question, right,
Speaker 6: Alec Holler, pay Hendershot, Brevin span Ford of those three
Speaker 6: Payton Hendershot, he's he's giving you special teams reps, but
Speaker 6: he's not. He didn't flash last year like he did
Speaker 6: as a rookie.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: Brevin span Ford was one of the higher priority undrafted
Speaker 6: free agents for the Cowboys. They gave him a good
Speaker 6: amount of guaranteed money and he looks very much the
Speaker 6: part both physically and on the field. Peyton hender Shot
Speaker 6: versus Brevin span Ford versus John Stevens's That's basically what
Speaker 6: I'm looking at. So Peyton Hendershot, he's kind of up
Speaker 6: against the wall there. He needs to really go out
Speaker 6: there over the remainder of training camp and show that
Speaker 6: he had he deserves to be on the roster against
Speaker 6: a guy like Brevin span For the rookie trying to
Speaker 6: come in and take his part. Because again John Stevens
Speaker 6: slop schoolmaker Jake Ferguson. I believe they're on the roster.
Speaker 6: I think Princeton Fan gets or not because of what
Speaker 6: he does his skill set. Outside of that, it's a
Speaker 6: battle royale between Hollard for span Ford and hind the shot.
Speaker 2: That being said, I don't think it's being talked about
Speaker 2: enough how good John Stevens is at run blocking talk talk.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's obviously it's very good. And not
Speaker 2: only are is measurables there, but he is a great
Speaker 2: run blocker so far. You know, as we've seen this
Speaker 2: bar in camp and I'll say it again on August second,
Speaker 2: on August second, But we saw that last year too,
Speaker 2: and he was also making incredible catches last year at camp.
Speaker 5: So and he's at it. Wait, he's at it leads
Speaker 5: to be a better blocker.
Speaker 2: I think for me that's that. That's it right there,
Speaker 2: Jake Schoonmaker, John Stevens, and then that fourth spot. I
Speaker 2: have no idea span.
Speaker 6: Ford, it's it's span Ford wants wants it, Hendershot wants it,
Speaker 6: Holler wants it, wants it. Of those last four names
Speaker 6: I mentioned, though, Fan is more of a blocking specialist
Speaker 6: right so I feel like he has an inside track there.
Speaker 6: But Peyton, Hendershot and Brema span Ford they're fighting for
Speaker 6: the same They're fighting with the same skill set, so
Speaker 6: to speak. They both want to show that they can
Speaker 6: make plays down the field. Who can actually continue to
Speaker 6: do that in training camp? That's who's going to win
Speaker 6: that job.
Speaker 7: Health inconsistency, Yes, sir, absolutely, Nate.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Jake version Ferguson takes that next step?
Speaker 2: Do you think he's capable.
Speaker 3: Of Everybody loves this kid, Other tight ends off, other
Speaker 3: teams love this kid. I've heard the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: tight end talk about them. I've heard just other when
Speaker 3: your other players talk about you and say you're up
Speaker 3: and coming, that means you got a little swaged here.
Speaker 7: So uh, And this kid works.
Speaker 3: He doesn't mind working, He doesn't mind doing what's necessary
Speaker 3: for the team. You know, he's one of the few
Speaker 3: guys when things with shady for our quarterback at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the season walking to.
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks in a man greenbell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm riding with you. Whatever happens, I'm with you. Hey, bro,
Speaker 3: that goes a long way. That goes a long way.
Speaker 2: Man, you just mentioned it. They're that Green Bay game.
Speaker 2: One of the one two Cowboys that showed.
Speaker 5: Up in that game, Jake Ferguson was him.
Speaker 6: Listen and to Nex's point, when when Travis Kelce looks
Speaker 6: at a tight end and says he's got next, which
Speaker 6: is exactly what's happened with Jake Ferguson, And then you
Speaker 6: see Ferguson going out there improving him right.
Speaker 5: And what more do you need to see? What more
Speaker 5: do you need to see? All right?
Speaker 2: Another fan question, this is from TJ and Baltimore. With
Speaker 2: all of Brendon Auber's success last season and assuming all
Speaker 2: goes well at camp. Do you see it being automatic
Speaker 2: to go for sixty yard field goals? I don't think
Speaker 2: we should be worried about it.
Speaker 3: Depend on the team, depend on the situation, what's on
Speaker 3: the line. That's that's that's what that's about. But I
Speaker 3: I really don't like my kickers, even if they can
Speaker 3: make sixcy. I like my kickers forty five yards and
Speaker 3: then I like to give them. I like my cancer
Speaker 3: to have high success rates. And that means I need
Speaker 3: a great offense, Thank you. I need a great offense.
Speaker 3: I don't want it to rely on no kicker for nothing.
Speaker 6: If you're if you're relying on sixty yard field goals,
Speaker 6: it means that your third down conversion rate sucks. It
Speaker 6: means that you're not, to borrow the phrase from the
Speaker 6: late great John Matt, you're not matriculating the ball down
Speaker 6: the field effectively on a on a down on the
Speaker 6: down basis. So I'm right there with Big Nate. I
Speaker 6: don't want to see sixty yard field goals unless like
Speaker 6: the game is on the line. Yeah, it's situational for me.
Speaker 6: But to if I'm understanding the question, to default to
Speaker 6: sixty yard field goals being Okay, over the course of
Speaker 6: a game, no task your offense with moving the ball
Speaker 6: and moving the chains, and you won't have to worry
Speaker 6: about sixty yard field goals. Hell, you won't have to
Speaker 6: worry about forty forty five yards because hopefully you're punching
Speaker 6: the ball in whenever you get a chance.
Speaker 3: Don't you know what a sixty yard field goal if
Speaker 3: you miss where the other teams start at.
Speaker 6: Yeah, field position is also that. So yeah, Ken Brandon
Speaker 6: already do it. Absolutely he can't, but don't just pretend
Speaker 6: he can't until you absolutely need to be reminded that
Speaker 6: he can.
Speaker 5: That's how I look at it.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Next question, this is from the seven to five seventy
Speaker 2: Do not leave a name, But are the Cowboys going
Speaker 2: to use their backs more so in the passing game
Speaker 2: this season?
Speaker 7: I think they are.
Speaker 3: I think McCarthy's been waiting on an opportunity to use them. Well,
Speaker 3: Tony started out slow a little, he wasn't healthy as
Speaker 3: he should have been. Uh and he get healthy util
Speaker 3: late in the season. But I think they that would
Speaker 3: have to be part of the game plan, that that
Speaker 3: short passion game is a long handled run game. And
Speaker 3: Zeke and Ric O'Donnell and Hanter Lempke because those are
Speaker 3: my three backs. If anybody else barge they weighing there, fine,
Speaker 3: but I'm not. Those are the three guys I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: And if and and and all three of them can
Speaker 3: catch the ball. So I'm good with that. We got
Speaker 3: that venom on me.
Speaker 2: But he's done.
Speaker 5: Now listen, Eddie Brock. We're trying to do a show here.
Speaker 6: I believe that Mike McCarthy is going to utilize Wait
Speaker 6: a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, is this
Speaker 6: Kyle Yeoman's and Isaiah stand back kicking us off the show?
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Speaker 6: Okay, So Mike McCarthy, I do believe it's going to
Speaker 6: use the running backs more as far as receivers out
Speaker 6: of the backfield. Were already seen that with Duce Fall,
Speaker 6: which kind of serves double duty because they're also trying
Speaker 6: to figure out the niche for news Vaughan du Von
Speaker 6: going forward, but you're gonna see it more from Duke Vall.
Speaker 6: You're gonna see it from Hunter Lipkey. I posted a
Speaker 6: couple of practice clips U two days ago when in
Speaker 6: a span of three plays, Hunter lip Key leaked out
Speaker 6: of the backfield, got into the middle of the linebacker,
Speaker 6: said it was space, He turned around, he sat down,
Speaker 6: and he got the ball from Dak Prescott. So from
Speaker 6: that moving forward, you're going to see more of like
Speaker 6: Big Nate was saying, those quick hit quick us out
Speaker 6: of the backfield, kind of acting as like quasi run
Speaker 6: plays to keep the defenses off balance.
Speaker 2: All right, boys, let's take our last break when we
Speaker 2: come back. More from Kyle Yeoman, guys, more from Isaiah Stanback.
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Speaker 1: To Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys live in Oxtar, California. We
Speaker 2: were joined by Kyle Yeoman's. We were joined by Isaiah
Speaker 2: stand Back, Patrick Nocie Walker. I'm Josh Edreez. This is
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Speaker 2: We gotta give them the pause. That's what people back
Speaker 2: home watching the firly w facts.
Speaker 14: Do you guys want to hear a story how we
Speaker 14: got here?
Speaker 4: So Isaiah and I set.
Speaker 14: It up a couple of weeks ago where we were.
Speaker 14: We were booking the flight out to Oxnard. And of
Speaker 14: course I haven't been here because my wife and I
Speaker 14: had triplets in February.
Speaker 4: Babies at home. They are all healthy, they're all doing
Speaker 4: great kind of to help out. My wife's a rock
Speaker 4: star for even letting me come out here period.
Speaker 14: Absolutely so unbelievable that she's even let me do this
Speaker 14: for the shortened amount of time.
Speaker 4: But we we scheduled this flight out.
Speaker 14: Here about a month ago, and we were in twenty
Speaker 14: two road twenty two F the window seat rode twenty
Speaker 14: two D the aisle seat, and that's what Isaiah and
Speaker 14: I had.
Speaker 4: The middle seat was still open happened well within the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks.
Speaker 14: Our producer Caden Gates, who is also shout out to Caiden,
Speaker 14: he made the trip out there with us and they
Speaker 14: added them on late and we were looking on the
Speaker 14: American happ and I said, hey, Cayden, the seat in
Speaker 14: between Isaiah and I is.
Speaker 5: Open ice cream sandwich.
Speaker 4: So there's I was like, go ahead and book it.
Speaker 4: So he books it. He's good to go. He books it,
Speaker 4: We're ready to roll.
Speaker 14: So going into last night, in the check in process,
Speaker 14: I thought we were all sitting together in this twenty
Speaker 14: two f Yeah, well, you check in on the American
Speaker 14: Airlines app and the great deals that they have on
Speaker 14: the American app. They actually had a seat upgrade possibility
Speaker 14: to go to first class beamer.
Speaker 4: It was like ninety four bucks.
Speaker 14: It was nothing, and you get like a bag checked free,
Speaker 14: two backs.
Speaker 5: You know, it cost just to check.
Speaker 14: So it's like not even not even a tall upgrade
Speaker 14: like first class seat.
Speaker 2: And I looked at it.
Speaker 14: I was like, man, I was like, I'm gonna be
Speaker 14: getting up at three am. I was like, I haven't
Speaker 14: gotten a lot of sleep lately anyways, because of the babies.
Speaker 14: I was like I could go first class here, but
Speaker 14: you know what, we're sitting together. I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 14: and pass on.
Speaker 4: Dude, I know what this is.
Speaker 15: Going go ahead, and I'm gonna go ahead and pass
Speaker 15: on this to be a team player, to be able
Speaker 15: to sit with my two brothers and have a good
Speaker 15: time on the flight over.
Speaker 4: Sure enough, we get there.
Speaker 14: We get to the airport this morning, we've seen each
Speaker 14: other at the gate and Isai. They say like, hey,
Speaker 14: group one, on your way, and Isaiah stands.
Speaker 2: Up, stand back, not stand by.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I looked at Isaiah. I was like, dude, what are
Speaker 4: you doing? And he was like, oh, no, I'm first class.
Speaker 5: You're a shows that.
Speaker 4: That is how we got here.
Speaker 5: There's the class list. There's no but there is yea.
Speaker 16: Yeah, listen the way my legs are set up the build, dude.
Speaker 14: The worst case scenario would have been if I decided
Speaker 14: to do it too, and I can.
Speaker 4: We told Kayden to take the middle will Smith on
Speaker 4: the final episode, he looks like he's all right.
Speaker 14: He takes the middle seat of this flight with two
Speaker 14: strangers after what he told him to book the middle
Speaker 14: seat and take off.
Speaker 2: The first I can see him back there like oh,
Speaker 2: I was explaining yourself.
Speaker 5: I was operating off of no sleepy.
Speaker 16: I just got back taking my daughter to track National
Speaker 16: I didn't get I literally got zero sleep last night.
Speaker 5: Zero.
Speaker 7: I'll bring off zero. Okay.
Speaker 4: I was watching the Olympics at three o'clock this morning.
Speaker 5: All right, I came straight to.
Speaker 2: The airport my legs.
Speaker 4: I needed the extension.
Speaker 6: I need to extendo the go go gadgets and stretch
Speaker 6: out and get some sleep because otherwise I wouldn't be
Speaker 6: able to come here and be with y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, the first thing he said
Speaker 4: whenever he popped off.
Speaker 5: I will sleep before they even Yes, boy, he.
Speaker 4: Was like, dude, I just got three full hours. I
Speaker 4: was like, it must have been nice.
Speaker 5: Dog exhausted from the trip.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my knees are hurting.
Speaker 7: My necks.
Speaker 16: Craye Kane sitting in the middle seat, he had he's
Speaker 16: a bathroom.
Speaker 5: And the person that that I all was sleep will sleep.
Speaker 5: A person in that that always happens.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we're not talking football right now.
Speaker 7: We're back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we tak talking American Airlines fan questions.
Speaker 2: We got a couple more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go to day.
Speaker 2: But let's go with you guys have been thinking about
Speaker 2: this is last season. If you had to bet, when
Speaker 2: would you say the Cowboys w win another Super Bowl
Speaker 2: in the next five years, ten years, twenty First use
Speaker 2: to end one day.
Speaker 5: Right out of it. Well, let's start with Isaiah. You're
Speaker 5: more arrested, so you start first.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys win another super Bowl.
Speaker 16: That's I mean, anybody could throw anything against the wall
Speaker 16: right now, right, I mean, so there's there's no real
Speaker 16: predictions there. I mean, I'm I'm I am excited to
Speaker 16: see what these guys are able to put together this year.
Speaker 16: Obviously every year is exciting, but obviously with the new
Speaker 16: defensive coordinator coming in, seeing how these guys bond together
Speaker 16: once his offense gets together, they get settled in seeing
Speaker 16: what they do. But also, I mean, not outside of
Speaker 16: which is what they're able to do. It's about your
Speaker 16: division as well. So about your division, is about your conference.
Speaker 16: So there's so many factors mass so I can't answer
Speaker 16: that question right now.
Speaker 14: Well, and I think the NFC being wide open right now,
Speaker 14: and the fact that you could arguably have the best
Speaker 14: quarterback in your entire conference, not even just the division,
Speaker 14: and maybe the one guy that's the contender, and that
Speaker 14: is in your division with Jalen Hurts and company.
Speaker 4: But it's still possible. Let's not get it twisted. This
Speaker 4: is still a good football team.
Speaker 14: They're returning nine former All Pros, and by All Pros,
Speaker 14: I mean guys that have won that honor in the
Speaker 14: last two seasons.
Speaker 4: So I mean they have talent. The depth is where
Speaker 4: I have some questions, and in order to win a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl you have to have depth.
Speaker 14: So I think it's gonna take some time. I don't
Speaker 14: think they're in that contending space now. If they want
Speaker 14: to make some moves and get to that point, I
Speaker 14: think that's possible because they have the top end talent.
Speaker 14: It's the depth and the longevity and the durability. We're
Speaker 14: already seeing it tested. We had one injury with Sam
Speaker 14: Williams at the defensive end position, and they go when
Speaker 14: they sign two guys because they know that depth is
Speaker 14: being tested. So as soon as that happens at corner,
Speaker 14: as soon as that happens at linebacker, as soon as
Speaker 14: that happens at wide receiver, running back, I mean.
Speaker 4: Anything, it could be anything on this rock. Starting eleven good,
Speaker 4: you're starting twenty two guys.
Speaker 14: You feel pretty good about. But outside of that is
Speaker 14: where you have some questions. And I think in order
Speaker 14: to win a Super Bowl you have to have depth,
Speaker 14: and I don't think this team has it.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 6: Excellent points plural made by both Kyle and Isaiah, and
Speaker 6: and I'll kind of dovetail off of one of Cole's points,
Speaker 6: it's let's shrink it.
Speaker 5: Win your division, compete within your division. You can do that, Okay.
Speaker 6: If you compete within your division and win your division,
Speaker 6: especially a division as good as the NFC East, you
Speaker 6: may end up in second place in the NFC East
Speaker 6: and that should be good enough to get you into
Speaker 6: the playoffs.
Speaker 5: And then at that point, the question is what does
Speaker 5: everybody's team look like?
Speaker 6: Because everybody's team is not going to look the same
Speaker 6: come January, second, third, fourth, as it looks going in
Speaker 6: the training camp, because you have injuries, you have attrition
Speaker 6: and things like that. So what moves the Cowboys make
Speaker 6: over the course of the season. The trade deadline got
Speaker 6: pushed back a little bit this year. What kind of
Speaker 6: trades do they make to kind of boaster defensive tackle?
Speaker 6: What free agency signers do they make to boaster defensive tackle?
Speaker 6: In some of these other positions. So I do believe
Speaker 6: that the Cowboys, as we have this conversation August second,
Speaker 6: are they in the Super Bowl conversation?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 5: Can they be?
Speaker 6: Yes, But it depends on how they handle the roster
Speaker 6: management between now and the end of the season and
Speaker 6: as far as the window for the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 6: will say, based on all of the variablests, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: is on the contract year. I do believe that's gonna
Speaker 6: get done. I could not be more confident that cedielamb
Speaker 6: is going to get done. I believe it gets done.
Speaker 6: But that being said at the time that being said,
Speaker 6: bottom line is the head coach is on a contract year. Okay,
Speaker 6: Mike Zimmer your new defensive quarter coordinator on the contract year.
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to talk about it, but the fact is, well, McLay,
Speaker 6: what's his future look like in Dallas. So it's not
Speaker 6: a now or never, but it's a now or you're
Speaker 6: not having this conversation again for the next eight to
Speaker 6: ten years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. It is one show me.
Speaker 14: If you talk about the window, the window of opportunity
Speaker 14: is always a very heavy thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 2: Standing out. It's stending out what I have one more
Speaker 2: question for both of you before we wrap up. You're here.
Speaker 2: You just got here. For people that don't, they literally
Speaker 2: just literally walked in this morning, check check the room,
Speaker 2: not even checking the room all stars. So from afar,
Speaker 2: you've been kind of keeping up with training camp. Who
Speaker 2: are you most excited to get your eyes on now
Speaker 2: that you're on the field right here behind you.
Speaker 4: You got the player I'll take. I'll take Tyler Guidon.
Speaker 14: I want to see it because on film, the footwork,
Speaker 14: the strength, the power, and then I mean, especially when
Speaker 14: he was working with the first team snaps. I know
Speaker 14: Tuma had that banged up injury in the first.
Speaker 4: Day of pads. He was back for the second day
Speaker 4: of pads.
Speaker 14: And a lot of those first team reps went back
Speaker 14: to Tuma. I think Tyler Geyiten was more impressive in
Speaker 14: his first team snaps than true Madoga was. And by think,
Speaker 14: I mean that the eye in this guy doesn't lie.
Speaker 14: I mean watching the film, Geydon was powerful.
Speaker 4: But I want to see it in person. I want
Speaker 4: to see it up close, and you'll see me if.
Speaker 14: You want to find me on the field today, if
Speaker 14: you're coming out to Oxnard, I'm going to be over
Speaker 14: by the offensive lineman. That's where I will be watching
Speaker 14: because I want to see Tyler Guidon. I haven't seen
Speaker 14: him with my own eyes yet. I want to see
Speaker 14: how he's able to continue that footwork, continue building because
Speaker 14: he's still a rookie. But right now, I'm more excited
Speaker 14: about what I've seen from Tyler Goydon than I was
Speaker 14: at this point a couple of years ago when Tyler
Speaker 14: Smith was a first round draft pick on the offensive line.
Speaker 14: I had questions around Tyler Smith this early in camp.
Speaker 14: Tyler Goyden has answered a lot of those questions early,
Speaker 14: and it's exciting to look forward to Oversham.
Speaker 16: That's what I want to see, not only just because
Speaker 16: I like him as a person. I was excited about
Speaker 16: him last year prior to him trying as aco in
Speaker 16: the preseason game.
Speaker 5: But I want to see how he bounces back from
Speaker 5: that injury.
Speaker 16: There's been a number of guys, unfortunately in this organization
Speaker 16: after and sustained that same injury, and not everybody came
Speaker 16: back the same.
Speaker 5: Type of player. So I'm interested to see exactly how
Speaker 5: he's moving. That's something I was like last year.
Speaker 16: I was I was watching you know, Gallon over the
Speaker 16: last few years in terms of him coming back from
Speaker 16: his injury. And I was able to tell pretty early
Speaker 16: on that I was like, I'm not sure how that
Speaker 16: he that he's ever going to really come back. Unfortunately
Speaker 16: that was just from my eyes seeing it here at camp.
Speaker 16: I want to see can overshow and get in and
Speaker 16: out of his breaks? Can he come downhill? What's his
Speaker 16: acceleration looking like? You know, does he have the confidence?
Speaker 16: So that linebacker position, obviously, especially with Zimmer coming in
Speaker 16: the culture there matters, but also the speed matters because
Speaker 16: they don't necessarily have all the size.
Speaker 4: See this is Red River rivalry, this is this is Texas.
Speaker 4: That's what we want to see. And he was sitting
Speaker 4: in first class. I was more of a general economy
Speaker 4: guy making.
Speaker 7: Here to work.
Speaker 4: Here for the equipment room.
Speaker 5: He's here for the Zimmer Glimmer.
Speaker 2: All right, boys, that's gonna be it for talking cowboys.
Speaker 2: We're out of time. But I want to thank Isaiah
Speaker 2: standing back, I want to thank Kyle j Omens for
Speaker 2: jumping on here. First thing. The first thing that they
Speaker 2: did was finally got the line it back together in
Speaker 2: a huge, gigantic thank you to Nate Newton for being
Speaker 2: on the show the last two weeks. We really appreciate
Speaker 2: you more than you know. Thank you all so much
Speaker 2: for tuning into Talking Cowboys. We will see you on Tuesday.
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