1 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: How every one. It's Jason Kelly in New York with 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: a special edition of Bloomberg Business of Sports. Well. For 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the latest installment of our Athlete Empire documentary series, I 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: headed out to Portland, Oregon to see one of the 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: most feared defensive tackles in the NFL and Dominican Sue. 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Turns out he's not that scary. Riding around in his hometown, 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: I got to see the city through his eyes, not 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: just as a native son, but as an investor keen 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: to change the landscape from the ground up. From an 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: ambitious entertainment project called Alberta Alley to his downtown restaurant 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: called Bays, I got to hear how he thinks about 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: real estate as a key to solving some of society's 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: biggest problems. We also spent a lot of time at 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: his house with his wife, Catia and his twin sons, 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Kry and Kingston, all of one year old, and in 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: his backyard. So and I sat down for an extended conversation. 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: We talked about his philosophy, life, business, what he learned 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: from Warren Buffett, and how he feels about continuing to 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: play football or not. I think you'll hear a side 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: of Vin Dominican sue you didn't know before. To see 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: the documentary, checkout Athlete Empire on blueberg dot com or YouTube. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: You're soup. So tell me your business philosophy, like in 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: a nutshell like how do you distill it down? I 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: think the business philosophy is very similar to what I 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: mentioned the other day, just understanding that investing and social 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: impact and without question hand in hand, and I think 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: you can impact other people's lives and do good but 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: at the same time makes smart business decisions where it's 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I've always seen it as a true give and take 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: relationship versus just someone always taking. And I think that's 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: where the capitalistic mindset that majority of America lives in. 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: So how did you come to that? I think a 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: lot of that came to how I got to where 34 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I am uh and a lot of people have helped 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: me in my path. Whether it's my parents, which you 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: would say inevitably they're going to do whatever they can 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: to help me succeed, but then there's other people that 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: were really centered around me in my village that helped 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: me grow and get to where I'm at. And so 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: it's not I don't view it as something as you 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: would want to be at the top by yourself, you'd 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: want other people that are like minded and you want 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: to work with them, and when you have the opportunity 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: to help other people at the same time, it's a 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: smart business decision. Seeing things that you can grow, why 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: not create both? All Right? You mentioned this village, and 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: one of the things that strikes me having spent a 48 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: couple of days with you now is I mean your 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: life you know, for so long, really right up to 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: the point you go to college and now back to it. 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: It's like centered in these very few blocks that we're 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: that we're sitting in right now. Um in Portland, tell 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: me about how that that village, that specific village should 54 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: have influenced that this one. Yeah, I think the community 55 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: here in Portland and just really in general as a 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: small community. So there's really a quarter degree of separation. 57 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Everybody talks about one degree of separation from anybody in 58 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: the world. And how I view it, I grew up 59 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: around and center around a bunch of different pieces. I 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: was here in Portland majority of the time, irvanton Grant 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: District and that small radius, but was beating it was 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: able to an expose to other things outside where that's 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: getting out to like that sweet go the Tigers, you 64 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: know there is just to see what they lived. But 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: my core was here and that's where I believe as 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: my youth grew up, I was shaped in and around 67 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: the people that I interacted with, and I had great influences, 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: whether that were coaches, teachers, um and just people in 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: the business community that I got to meet around mentioned 70 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the other day of being able to be friends with 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: a great designer and very uh influential person in the 72 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: sports world and Tinker Hatfield, but a lot of people 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: don't get to have those interactions and get that exposure 74 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: as kids, and so being able to see what he 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: was done and what he's read. He took me to Nike, 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: and I got to see Nike at a young age. 77 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: I got to get my feet molded and see how 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: how they go through all their prophecies. So those experiences, 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: even though Portland's small, that we have a big reach 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and and Portland's also presents this opportunity for you as 81 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: as a young person and now as an adult two 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: as you talked about kind of marry these business aspirations 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: along with with impact and and social good. And one 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: of the issues that I know is at the four 85 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: for you and a lot of people work with, is 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: this notion of representation and ownership. Tell me about that 87 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: and how that plays into into the philosophy. Yeah, I 88 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: think representation and ownership ultimately to reach ultimate success in 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: my eyes, and seeing how my parents brought me up 90 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: and how they came into really America, being both from 91 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: thorough countries. Uh, the only way to create wealth and 92 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: generational wealth is by owning real estate and being able 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: to progress in that manner. And I think that's a 94 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: big part of who I am and what I was, 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: what I want to create one with the Development Company, 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: but then also the aspirations to help other people in 97 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: and around being able to I think it's it's a 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: it's a privilege, but it's also something that should be 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: afforded to everybody is having a home of their own 100 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: to build their own kind of nesting and grow from there. 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: So there's multiple ways that can be brought up and 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: I think we have some creative ways throughout Development Company 103 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: to do that. Let's talk about that, because you know, 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: walking around Alberta Ali with you and with Brennan and 105 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: talking about this this pretty big idea of reversing history 106 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: in some ways and and and and righting wrongs. Candidly, 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big idea, but but you're putting 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: it in into practice. Explain that to me. I think, uh, 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: I've always believed actions are much louder than words, and 110 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: so believing in understanding. I grew up on two blocks 111 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: away from Alberta off of Prescott and then seeing how 112 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: gentrification is transformed over the years last twenty years, and 113 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the African American families and BIPOC families 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: have been have been pushed out, and I haven't had 115 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: they were they started their young businesses. My dad started 116 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: his business down off Alberta, very closely off. And so 117 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: there's having the opportunity to be in a position to 118 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: be able to bring companies back in different organizations back 119 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: and the ones that want to be in that area 120 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: that happened to be BIPOC is something exciting and something 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: I want to do, all right. You mentioned your family 122 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: a little bit, and one thing that I've certainly taken 123 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: away from from talking to you is both your parents 124 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: and your family more broadly are a very like a 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: vital influence their influence on everybody, but I dare say 126 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: for you it was next level in terms of, you know, 127 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: the impact that they had on you. Obviously as a 128 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: human being, but but even as a business person. Explain 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: that and and and reflect on that if you will, 130 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: and kind of what you took, especially from your parents. Yeah, 131 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: my parents. Just understanding how they were brought into this world, 132 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: both being Jamaican, my mom being Jamaican, my dad being Cameroonian, 133 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: and having to work them work themselves into a position 134 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: to not only support themselves but also their extended family 135 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: was something that I took and understood at a very 136 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: young age that I didn't want them to have to 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: continue to support me. I wanted to hit the reverse 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: button and I want to be able to support them 139 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: as I got so luckily made it to the league, 140 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: all those different things, but that's short lived, and I 141 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: think those are some great opportunities to advance you very quickly. 142 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I had an 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: ultimate vision when I went to college to become an 144 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: engineer or come back here to Portland's and build another 145 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: division alongside my father. Being able to graduate my degree 146 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: and have that nuance and understand that these are some 147 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: of the great ways to change the family and be 148 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: able to build an ultimate legacy that can be followed 149 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: another footsteps. And your older sister has a big influence 150 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: on that as well as both an athlete and and 151 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: a student and and a role model. It sounds like, yeah, 152 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: she was, without question, uh my biggest and most important 153 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: role models, especially as a as a young kid coming 154 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: up in middle school and in high school going on 155 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: to college, seeing her get a scholarship to go to 156 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: the Mississippi State UH double major and then obviously be 157 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: able to play at a very high level UH playing soccer, 158 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: and then obviously played for my dad's country. I had 159 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: the aspirations to do that same type of methodical approach 160 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: of being able to get a scholarship game I degree 161 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: and see where it allows me to go from there, 162 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: and and that idea of the academic side really plays 163 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: a big role, it sounds like, and where you ultimately 164 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: decide to go to college, right, no question, academics were 165 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: first and foremost everything, my mom being a teacher and 166 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: my dad being engineer. Like, education is one thing that 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: nobody can ever take away from you, and your knowledge 168 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: is very, very very powerful. And that's something that I 169 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: pride myself on being able to not just be kind 170 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: of that dumb jock that's out there only worried worried 171 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: about sports and only focus on that. I want to 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: be able to walk into different rooms, different demographics, and 173 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: be able to speak the language, had those same conversations 174 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: with people, and people really respect me. And I think 175 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: over time people have really taking me seriously because I 176 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: can talk to talk and I can walk to walk 177 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: at the same time. And I'm no different than any 178 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: other person who studied like this and wanted to get 179 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: into this avenue for a long period of time or 180 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: starting since college. And so what was it that ultimately 181 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: made you choose the ultimately decision to choose Nebraska. It 182 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: was a combination of things, I would say, being able 183 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: to obviously play early as a young freshman, uh, and 184 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: then more importantly, I was able to go to a 185 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: type top five organization where I was gonna be able 186 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: to get my construction management engineering degree, which I figured 187 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: out very early, really before I even stepped foot on campus. 188 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: And that was kind of my big driver of whether 189 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: or not I was going to go to a school 190 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: because most schools were like we'll take you. We'll figure 191 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: out how you want to do. I was like, you 192 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: can't just create an engineering program out of thin air, 193 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: as some schools mentioned they would do because they wanted 194 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: to as a football player. Let's yeah, no question. And 195 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: so for me, it was finding that perfect mix and 196 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: funny enough. Didn't have as much fun as I had 197 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: thought I would when I went on my Nebraska visit 198 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: and I came back home, wrote down the pros and 199 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: console my parents went to five different schools, and I 200 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: was like, I think Nebraska is the right choice for me. 201 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: And then I had a comfort level of There was 202 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: a defensive line coach at the time, guy named uh 203 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: late John Blake, that was at Mississippi State with my 204 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: sister and had a good relationship and then recruited me 205 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: when he went up to Nebraska a year before I 206 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: was getting ready to leave for college. And so you 207 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: get to Nebraska and these are things you probably could 208 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: not have known going in, but you meet a series 209 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: of people who end up really informing where your life 210 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: goes next. First of which obviously is your wife, your 211 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: your now wife, fellow fellow college athlete, and so what 212 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: did you see, you know beyond falling in love with her, 213 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: and and it sounds like I'm talking to her, you 214 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: pursued her pretty avidly, Um, what did you see in 215 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: her that has developed into, you know, really a business partner? 216 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: In many ways, Kati has always been a straight shooter. 217 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: She didn't care that I was a big man on 218 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: campus and she was a couple of years younger than me. 219 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing is that she wasn't 220 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: like Google Gaga or anything like. She's just like, I 221 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: want to get to know you as a true person. 222 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: So like, we went on a couple of dates and 223 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: we got to know each other and always kept in touch, 224 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: and even though I went off to go professional stories, 225 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: we always remain in good, solid friends, And I think 226 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the most important things when you 227 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: have relationships, having making sure your significant other is like 228 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: a true friend, not just somebody that you are obviously 229 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: Google guy for and super in love with, but someone 230 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: you can actually share things with and then give you opinion, 231 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: giving you honest and feedback of how you're looking at 232 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: something or maybe look at it a different way. And 233 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: that's something that I admire with her, and she does 234 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: that with everybody. Let alone on my side of the 235 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: family or her side of the family. Well, it's interesting 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: too to talk with her a little bit and understand 237 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: the business dynamic to where you know, you guys are 238 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: sharing sharing an office, you're listening to each other's calls, 239 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: you're sort of bringing each other in UM as, you know, 240 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: sort of ad hoc and and maybe more formal advisors 241 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: on a lot of things. That's interesting. No, it's great 242 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: because we get to have those deep conversations and then 243 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: ultimately we'll make our own particular decisions of what we 244 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: want to do. But being able to have a real 245 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: solid sounding board that's in house, always with you and 246 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: then really are true helping hand to guide you in 247 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: certain things and help you with that. And obviously we 248 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: both love real estate. She was a real estate UM 249 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: investor and she worked in UH in a couple of 250 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: different areas in that space, selling and buying homes, and 251 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: which was exciting for me. It's like being able to 252 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: see her own She wants to be her own businesswoman. 253 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: She doesn't want to just be at home and take 254 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: care of the kids, which is a massive task for 255 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: any woman in this day and age. But to be 256 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: able to have that capacity and then also be able 257 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: to support me and give me criticism at the same time. 258 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: It's it's best of both worlds. We're gonna talk about 259 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: those boys and in a few minutes, but before we 260 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: get to that, when stick with Nebraska for a second 261 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: because you also get an introduction, a couple of introductions, 262 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: but we'll start with arguably the world's best known investor, 263 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: Warren Buffett. You know, you have a chance to be 264 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: introduced in my belief through Tom Osborne, Right, what was 265 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the way? Tell me about that and kind of how that, 266 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, becomes a very influential long term relationship for you. Yeah. 267 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: So we first met he came down as honorary captain. Actually, 268 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: my senior game gets Oklahoma, so it's a big game, 269 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: and they had asked me funny enough, like do you 270 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: know who Warren Buffett is? He's in town, he'd love 271 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to meet you. It's going to be one of honorary coaches. 272 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: I was like, of course I know who he is. Uh, 273 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: love to meet him. Getting ready for a big game, 274 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: but let's let's meet real quick. So we did that 275 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and then long the whole. A couple of months later, 276 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: graduate from the university, Uh, in January comes around and 277 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: I happened to ask coach Osborne was like, do you 278 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: think he would ever take a meeting with me and 279 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: just to get to know him. Obviously I've heard a 280 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: lot of great things about him and obviously our small 281 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: interaction and he was like, I can't promise anything he's 282 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I've done it before, something he's some some people he said, 283 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: he said yes to something he's not and lo and 284 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: behol I got to I got to meet him, and 285 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: ever since then we've been close friends, confidant and really 286 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: a true mentor and being able to bounce a bunch 287 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: of different ideas off and then also understand how he 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: envisions the world. And I really had the opportunity to 289 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: even sit back and watch him go through different deals. 290 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: One of them was his Hinds deal that he was doing. 291 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: I believe it was with three G a long time ago. 292 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: So just having that be able to see the accident 293 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: where him working his magic is just a very very 294 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: um great point in my life where I got to 295 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: continue to do that and we talk on a quarterly 296 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: basis as well. So how did it help shape your 297 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: investment in philosophy? Because he has a very specific you know, 298 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: value long term? You know, So did that influence the 299 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: way you look at deal? Although he's not fully into 300 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: real estate, and he's changed a little bit because he 301 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: now has rick had to homes and whatnot. Uh, that 302 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: long term vision as me growing up and loving real 303 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: estate is the ethos of what I believe and being 304 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: able to have these opportunities and build these It takes 305 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: real estate to three years to develop things. And then 306 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: obviously the true value is and how long you can 307 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: hold it and you can maintain and go up and down. 308 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: We're going through terrible times now and the market's going 309 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: up and down, and it's just being able to weather 310 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: those storms. And also additionally, cash is king when you 311 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: have the ability to have a cash flowing entity, and 312 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: if you really look at apartments during the pandemic, there 313 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: was actually the best asset to have um. And then 314 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: going into the housing market, you have bidding wars for 315 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: people getting into houses. People unfortunately aren't able to get 316 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: homes and we're not building fast enough to have a 317 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: big enough supply, so you have to get to the 318 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: rental market to be able to have a roof over 319 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: your head. So there's a lot of different things that 320 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: although they may be in different spaces and different areas, 321 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: that long term vision and that being able to buy 322 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: and hold is one of the greatest things ever that 323 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: I learned from. So another person you learned from another 324 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: and another person you met via the football team is 325 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: Joe Moglia, football coach. That the only person I think 326 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: I know of and probably you do too, has both 327 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: been a very successful football coach and the CEO and 328 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: chairman of a company t D Meriitrde of course tell 329 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: me about meeting him. Yeah, Joe was a great person. Uh, 330 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: he was only around my senior year. He was trying 331 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: to get back into football and decide like how he 332 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: wants to approach and how things have changed since he 333 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: had less been in been in and around that area. 334 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: And so he was a coach for our defensive staff 335 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: and uh, not necessarily an honorary but more of a 336 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: guy that was just a solid senior assistant more or less. 337 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: And so he was around my entire senior year. And 338 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: one day I just asked, like, you always leave every 339 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Friday before our games and come back Saturdays ready to go, 340 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: Like where do you go? And it's always like a 341 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: black car going out it's like I go to New York, 342 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: I'll take care of business with t D and Mary Trade. 343 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm the chairman there, and then I come back and 344 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: obviously have my role here with you guys. And I 345 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: was like, well, it's pretty interesting, Like I'd love to 346 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: learn more. And so he said, we'll make sure you 347 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: follow up with me after if you're serious, followed with 348 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: me after the season, um, once you're obviously done. So 349 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: I did that, and when in Saturday's office and TD 350 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: at t D and Omaha, and I was like, this 351 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: is really really interesting the financial world, understanding all the 352 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: different pieces, and we got into the understanding of like 353 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: he wanted to explain to me that you're gonna learn 354 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: to have a budget and understand how you need to 355 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: control your money because you're getting ready to get be 356 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: a top five draft pick. You're gonna come into a 357 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: ton of money and how do you handle that. My 358 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: parents couldn't necessarily teach me those different pieces. They haven't 359 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: seen and worked with that that amount of funds. So 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: being able to have that person that really needed nothing 361 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: from me and just wanted to share knowledge, and I 362 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to see his actual true budget that 363 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: he was working with on a year to year basis, 364 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: was very excited. I actually still keep that same template 365 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: that I that he gave me that was ten fifteen 366 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: years ago, that that that those relationships we were established. 367 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: How do you ensure that those aren't one off and 368 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: and how do you kind of cultivate you know, whether 369 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: it's with them or with Nike. You know, they're these 370 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: long term relationships you have. How do you manage that? 371 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: I think he said it in that in that segment 372 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: there of just I kind of surprised him actually by 373 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: showing up being in a suit, being intentional, and then 374 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: also having that true follow up. And I think a 375 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: lot of unfortunate people in my position and people of 376 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: the statue of being athletes, are not necessarily looked as 377 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: people that followed through and actually cultivate relationships and actually 378 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: want to get to know them. I've spent time, I've 379 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: got on flights and done a ton of things driving 380 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: up to to where people and you go and meet 381 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: them on her terms, and then they start to open 382 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: up because they start to see that you're serious, and 383 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: then they say, all right, I can now trust you, 384 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: and I can open up and show you how I 385 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: particularly just and they have absolutely nothing they want from me. 386 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: They just want to share the knowledge, and as long 387 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: as you're reciprocal to that, then the more you'll gain. 388 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: So take me back again to that time where you 389 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: are deciding whether to go pro that that's a business decision. 390 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: You're deciding, you know kind of what that first contract 391 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: is going to look like. That's probably your first really 392 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: big business deal. Tell me about it. Yeah. So I 393 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: had the opportunity as a junior to come out and 394 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: whoever wrote my my draft grade did me a favorite 395 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: because they had be late first round, early second round, 396 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: and I was when I really looked at It's like 397 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: I could go to the combine and beat some of 398 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: these guys out. But more importantly, my mom put her 399 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: thumb down on me and said, there's no question you're 400 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna come back. And finished school and I had like 401 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: one or two classes left, and so I decided to 402 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: do summer school and went into the season and said, 403 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: let me prepare for what the NFL is going to 404 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: be like. I had one class, a night class, and 405 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: then a Tuesday and there's a class for for an hour. 406 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: And made a decision to come back for my senior year. 407 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: Which probably one of the best decisions I did, because 408 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: it put me in the ranks to be a top 409 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: five pick as long as I played, uh played well, 410 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: and I think I had one or two guys that 411 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: needed to compete with outside of obviously making sure my 412 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: team was winning and being successful, so decided to come back. 413 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: I had a great season and kind of the rest 414 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: was history, and I went off to the NFL and 415 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: was sadly the second overall pick because I like to 416 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: be number one. But everything happens for a reason, and 417 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: I went to a great city. But that decision, you know, 418 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: to play another year is not without risk, you know, 419 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: especially for someone of your stature literally and figuratively, So 420 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: you know that's a business calculation too, right, Yeah, without question, 421 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: And I think the most important thing was that making 422 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: sure I had some insurances that in case something happened 423 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: to me, I was going to be taken care of. 424 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: But then also from the standpoint of I had great faith, 425 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to finish school play at a high level 426 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: for one more year, and there's the best decision that 427 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I made. So you get into the league and you 428 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: know you're thrust into a locker room situation where you're 429 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: one of the younger guys from a businessman's perspective, What's 430 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: what's your initial perspective because you went through college like 431 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: with a plan. You showed up at college with with 432 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: a plan to be a businessman throughout. What were your 433 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: initial reactions. Yeah, So when I look at first got 434 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: to Detroit, I really looked at it from the standpoint 435 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: It's like, this is a city that is striving and 436 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: wanting to get something winning. They wanted to they want winners, 437 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: and they want people to play hard, and they just 438 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: seem like as I and this is kind of just 439 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: how I look at everything in life anyways. I kind 440 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: of analyze things and then sit back and see how 441 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: things are working. And then I jumped full force in 442 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: after that, after I've kind of gotten an idea of 443 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: what was going on, and I think a lot of 444 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: things that the front office did which I had no 445 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: part of, was got rid of some bad eggs that 446 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: were in there just in there to play for checks 447 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: and kind of move on, and then brought in some 448 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: new blood. You obviously had that great Calvin Johnson, the 449 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: Matthew Staffords of the world, and people that were playing 450 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: at a high level and they really wanted to build 451 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: a great defense, and they saw me and Kyle Vandenbosch 452 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: and a couple of other guys being kind of those 453 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: cornerstone guys to be able to do that. And so 454 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: I embraced that and went out and played as hard 455 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: as I can, and that city was absolutely the best. 456 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: They embraced my my tough, hard nosed play, and that's 457 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: really how I was brought up at Nebrasa's blue collar football. 458 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: And you go as hard as you can and you 459 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: disrupt that offense and make them hate you, all right, 460 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: So you gave me the perfect opening. I've spent a 461 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: couple of days with you now. I have seen you 462 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: with your kids. I've seen you, you know, in in 463 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: a business setting. Who you are in person does not 464 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: jive with the player in many ways that I have 465 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: seen on my television that I've read about. You are 466 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: ferocious on the field. You are controversial on the field. 467 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: Square that for me, I think when you really people 468 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: gotta understand you're not supposed to like me, especially when 469 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: I'm going into your team and you love the pretty 470 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: boy that's on, who's the quarterback, who's the receiver, and 471 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: whoever that running back is my ultimate job is to 472 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: make them have a living hell of a day, and 473 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: so if I don't do that, I'm not doing my job. 474 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: So on the flip side of that, when I get 475 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: pats on the back and my own fans say we 476 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: love the way you play, like, you're like the most true, 477 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: especially old school ways of playing like that's what I 478 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: live for and that's how I to the game, and 479 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that needs to translate to being off the field. 480 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: I don't need to be reckless off the field. I 481 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: wasn't brought up that way. I know how to carry myself. 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: I know how to be a strong young black man 483 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: in this world, and I'll continue to do that. But 484 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: when I'm on the football field, I'm in between those 485 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: white lines. My job is to piss everybody off that's 486 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: around me that's not on my same colored team. And 487 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: I hope that offense really understands that. And if I'm 488 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: doing my job, they're throwing two people at me, which 489 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: they've been consistently doing over the last twelve years. Is 490 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: it hard, though, to like take all those slings, especially 491 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: because you're a very serious businessman, you know, It's like 492 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: you then have to like pivot hard in, not just 493 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: in the off season, even during the season, and walk 494 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: in and be you know, a very like genteel business man. Yeah. 495 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: I think the interesting pieces is that being able to 496 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: have a very great family and having a great wife 497 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: around you, and then also great people that are your 498 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: business partners and your friends. You know who you are, 499 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: and being comfortable in your own skin is one of 500 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: the most important things in life. And I'm very very 501 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: comfortable in my skin. And I understand not everybody's gonna 502 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: like me, and that's okay, Uh, But I guarantee the 503 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: people that don't like me don't know who I am 504 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and haven't even taken the time to get to know me. 505 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: So tell me about the balance that that you have 506 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: to strike, not not necessarily just with that, but being 507 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: a player, being a husband, being a son, being a 508 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: business person, being a community leader. In many ways, you 509 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: have a rigorous schedule one season and off even for 510 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: the non athletes who who are watching this, like, what 511 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: what's the secret? Uh? The secret is having an amazing team. Uh. 512 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: And that consists of my wife, my extended family that 513 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: helps us not only to keep our house in order, 514 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: but help us with the kids. Um. And in addition 515 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: to that, I've got great business partners and people that 516 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: helped me and vice versa I help them. And just 517 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: being able to have that strenuous schedule and being able 518 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: to get early in the morning, which is I learned 519 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: from my dad, you go to work early in the 520 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: morning and then obviously comes and spend time spent time 521 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: with me in the afternoons if I didn't go to 522 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: work with him, And so just creating that schedule and 523 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: understanding to be able to say, all right, this is 524 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: how it's gonna work, and this is how it's gonna be, 525 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: and really that synopsis in that focus is one of 526 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: the things that keeps me going each and every single 527 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: day having that schedule. I don't know how I would 528 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: be able to function if I didn't have some sort 529 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: of schedule. It may some days like being at the house. 530 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: It can be the schedule and just being on the 531 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: third floor hanging out with the kids, stuff like that. 532 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: So for me, it's having that being ability to compartmentalize 533 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: and have that structure is one of the key pieces 534 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: of being successes. But also it helps you be a 535 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: great athlete, especially in season, being able to go and 536 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: focus on football leave and be able to take my 537 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: mind away from it. It makes me even more sharper 538 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: to be able to be uh sports vice versa helps 539 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: me in business at competitive edge. I think people look 540 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: at it from perspective at least I do. I want 541 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: to be competitive in the business world as well. You've 542 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: been pretty upfront since your your boys were born a 543 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: little over a year ago about you know, they're a 544 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: part of your life. They're a part of your obviously 545 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: your personal life, but but even a part of your 546 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: business life. They pop up on on zoom calls. That's 547 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: obviously a conscious decision. Why. I think one of the 548 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: great things about the pandemic was you There's not many 549 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: great things about it. What it made people more comfortable 550 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: and more lacks to be able to be open to 551 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: seeing kids in and around. And we were just on 552 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: a call the other day with a great organization we're 553 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: doing some financial literacy with and a gentleman had his 554 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: baby with him and he was like, if she makes 555 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: some noise, I'm gonna have to show her. And she 556 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: made some noise, Like we definitely want to see her now, 557 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: and so just it's it's just more personal. I think 558 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: it makes life a little bit easier and true to 559 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: versus student coats. Everybody's kind of uptight and straight to 560 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: business where it doesn't always have to be that way. 561 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: Even walking around on the job site, you don't always 562 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: have to be. Yes, we have ocean rules and hard 563 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: hats and things of that nature, but you can come 564 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: and sweach. You can come in hoodies and be comfortable 565 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: but still be able to get your job done and 566 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: do it at a very high level. So tell me 567 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: about UM an emblematic deal for you. You know, it's 568 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: like I walk around your house, i'd sort of see 569 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: evidence of some of the things that you've done. Ember 570 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: UM is one that I'm especially interested in, m especially 571 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: because it's become a deal that both you and caught 572 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: you have have had a piece of. So so maybe 573 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: tell me about that. Yeah, So every single deal that 574 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: I kind of look at, whether it's from a VC 575 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: side of things or a P side of things, running 576 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: by My mentors got great relationships, you know, one of 577 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: them in general Atlantic being able to see them do 578 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: some extraordinary, great things. But I always look at it, 579 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: how is it going to change somebody's life? How is 580 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: it going to be impactful? I know, I can't always 581 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: look at things from my lens of my eyes, and 582 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I think member is one of those creative creations. And 583 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: you see a guy like Clay Alexander who has done 584 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: some amazing things, created the lightball LB lightball, and now 585 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: he's has I first met, he had a book like 586 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: a library book, thick hundred pages of all the different 587 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: things that he's patent and created, and so being able 588 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: to understand not only the quality leaders in that organization, 589 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: but then unique opportunities and unique things that they're creating. 590 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: I want to be a part of that in find 591 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: waste and not only with the low hanging fruit of 592 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: name and likeness, but actually add true value and be 593 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: able to create things like CONTI is able to help 594 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: with them like myself, being able to make different connections 595 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: and open up different things for that company to grow exponentially. 596 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: Your mentor, Warren Buffett talks a lot about how much 597 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: time he spends reading on any given day. What do 598 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: you read? What what do you study to sort of 599 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: keep up with everything. I'm a little bit different. I 600 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: think a big thing for me, I love my morning brew, 601 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: daily reads. And then the great thing about that, if 602 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: you want to dive deeper, you can into some different 603 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: pieces that have deeper articles and within them as well 604 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: as podcasts. Uh. And then I'm super fortunate a lot 605 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: of my people that I'm I'm standing around uh semi 606 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: articles left and right. So I have a bunch of 607 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: emails at different pieces that I look at different emails, 608 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: whether it's I showed you the other day just how 609 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: the housing market was changing in million dollar homes are 610 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: expanding in that much more difficult to get into this, uh, 611 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: depending on the area, right, Like talked about Tampa, We 612 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: talked about Portland's. Portland was at two point two percent 613 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: when they came having million dollar homes. In two they're 614 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: at sixteen or there at six percent eight percent. And 615 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: so it's it's interesting to see how those articles sent 616 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: to me and read those different pieces. I look at 617 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: tech crunch um, look at different pieces, whether it's Bloomberg 618 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: and seeing different snippets from there, as well as look 619 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: at CNBC and see those consistent alerts that come through 620 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: so transition UM. I talked to Steve Young about it. 621 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: He said, it's like falling off a cliff. You know, 622 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: when you leave the league, how do you think about 623 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: the idea of transition, especially given everything that you've already 624 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: done in business. Yeah, the transition is a difficult one 625 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: for me. I look at it consistent have over the 626 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years from a standpoint, especially since the 627 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: boys came into my life. Um, just from the standpoint 628 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: want to spend as much time with him and not 629 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: miss out on things. Being missing their first walk, um, 630 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: seeing them crawl and do different things kind of sucked, 631 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: but it's part of life. Being able to support them 632 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: and being in a great space. But to to really 633 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: look at that cliff no matter what it's going to 634 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: be there from an emotional standpoint, Um, from a physical 635 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: standpoint of working out and doing those different pieces, which 636 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: actually probably be good. I can sleep until six thirty 637 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: probably now. Um. But even so, I think one of 638 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: the best ways I've approached and envisioned that transition happening 639 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: is not being idle and not saying sitting back and say, wow, 640 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: like what do I do now? Versus I've got a 641 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: development company over here, I have potential VC company over here, 642 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: I have a fund over here that I have to 643 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: that's going to keep my attention span focus on those 644 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: different assets. And there's things that I want to be 645 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: involved in, versus saying, oh, I have to go and 646 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: grab this job because I need I need this income. 647 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of people really 648 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: struggle because when those that last check comes in, it's very, 649 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: very difficult. And I've seen that happen to other people 650 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: and close friends that are in the league or who 651 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: we're in the league. And so how do you balance 652 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: especially given the boys, especially you know, given the state 653 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: of the league, age, all of those things, how do 654 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: you balance like the economics versus the emotions. I mean, 655 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: this is this is a deep analysis. This is one 656 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: of the most important decisions you'll ever make. Yeah, I 657 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: think the analysis is very straightforward. Uh comes down to numbers, 658 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: Uh in a lot of ways. But then also just truthfully, 659 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: do you want to and do you believe you have 660 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: more to offer to this sport? And I do. I 661 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: believe I have more to offer it without question? Uh. 662 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: Do I aspire to be in the Hall of Fame, 663 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: no question. Can I build some things that will help 664 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: me kind of solidify that furthermore? Yes? Uh? Do I 665 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: want to do that at the cost of not spending 666 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: time with my kids, not being around my family? Kind 667 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: of putting some other things on the shelf. Uh, And 668 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: we've had some business meetings. I was in New York 669 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: the other day and one of the guys said, like, 670 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: we really want to support you, and we want to 671 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: help fund some different things for you. But are we 672 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: putting gas in it? Are we putting jet fuel on it? 673 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: Because I need to understand where you're at in your 674 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: life and how you want to do so those are 675 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: a lot of different decisions to make, and I think 676 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: timing is always going to be key to that. And uh, 677 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: we've got a good process with me and the wife. 678 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: I lean on her a lot, and I think she 679 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: has a good tell tale to give me some different 680 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: and things to think about. And she always says, it's 681 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: ultimately your decision, but it's I truthfully knows both of 682 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: our decisions. And so here sitting here, if I may 683 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: be so bolden in May two, you haven't made up 684 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: your mind yet. I have not made in my mind. 685 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: And I think the main reason I have not made 686 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: in my mind is because I still have an inkling 687 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: to want to play, but I also want to see things. 688 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: Talking about the analyzation, you wanted to see, the draft, 689 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: you want to see who's who they've already done, and 690 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: see kind of where you peg into some different things 691 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: and what teams are really starting to shape up because 692 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: you have a good idea in this May June time frame. 693 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: And I've done this before. I think it was in 694 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I waited until Memorial Day weekend. I was 695 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: actually in France when I signed my contract and getting 696 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: engaged in my life. So at that moment where you 697 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: do make the transition, what do you imagine your relationship 698 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: with football and sports will be. Do you think about broadcast, 699 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,479 Speaker 1: do you think about ownership, Like how do you look 700 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: at the world of sports from a business perspective and 701 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: non playing perspective? From a non playing perspective in sports, 702 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a great opportunity to not only have 703 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: a continue your platform and be in and around and 704 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: help and mentor of the people, also give a great voice, 705 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: especially a defensive voice that's not very prevalent uh in 706 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: this day and age when it comes to the networks. 707 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: In my opinion, and then additionally with that, I would 708 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: love to have ownership into an NFL franchise or a 709 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: team like Chelsea. On the soccer side, I guess real 710 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: football as they call it over there, and so for me, 711 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: uh if and when those opportunities do come up, I 712 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: will definitely consider them. And I think from my standpoint 713 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: on the sports side, I've always been very big in performance, 714 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: and I think I have one of the most elite 715 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: groups that I work with. While I've been able to 716 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: be thirty five years old and playing out a very 717 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: high level and being able to go further on, but 718 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: also being able to pass out along to some other guys. 719 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: And you you'll talk to Brendan Scarlett, who's one of 720 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: those guys who's become part of that program, and I've 721 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: mentored in that space, and then also there's some other 722 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: guys that have seen and being able to understand how 723 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: that kind of works and to be able to implement 724 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: it on a team perspective, I think you could really 725 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: change a team's trajectory and keep them in in a 726 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: winning state. You mentioned Brennan, which is such an interesting 727 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: example or who is such an interesting example not just 728 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: from the performance perspective, but from the business perspective. He's 729 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: your business partner at Alberta ALI. We got to walk 730 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: around with him a little bit. Tell me about this 731 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: next generation coming up because they're looking to someone like 732 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,479 Speaker 1: you and and others um who have made a real 733 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: impact and and a real commitment to the business perspective. 734 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: Some of them are, some of them aren't. Like, how 735 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: do you assess when when you go into a a 736 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: locker room now versus maybe a locker room when you 737 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: came in kind of who's for real? Yeah, I think 738 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: it's always hard to tell who's for real. And the 739 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: way I do it is I no different than Joe 740 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: did to me. Is like you give them an olive branch, 741 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: and if they accept it and they follow through, then 742 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: you understand that they start to become real. And that 743 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,479 Speaker 1: consistently becomes uh kind of the cementing stamp of saying, 744 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: all right, they're serious about business. And I think in 745 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: this day and age, the interesting piece, whether it's social 746 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: media and all the different ways of people's interests, what 747 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: what becomes very interesting is that whether you're a gamer, 748 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: whether you're in your real estate, whether you're into whatever 749 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: it may be, you can actually make a business out 750 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: of that, and you can be creative in being able 751 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: to do that. And as long as you go down 752 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: that path and say all right, I'm going to leverage 753 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: the opportunities that I have and what this shield may 754 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: event it advanced me. Whether that's NFL Shield, NBA Shield, 755 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: or all the other sports. Um, they can open up 756 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: some amazing doors for you and you can create that 757 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: next chapter in your life while you're still playing. And 758 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the transition for for people in this 759 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: day and age. And you see guys trading crypto and 760 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: the locker in the locker room and doing different things 761 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: like that, and that's kind of the twists and change 762 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: of how it was when I came to the league 763 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: in ten where guys are talking about all, let's go 764 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: to the club, or what's the next hottest thing versus 765 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: what's the next hottest stock which is good and bad? 766 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: And oh are you in Salana? Are you in Metaplex? 767 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: Are you in these other spaces to where cryptocurrency is 768 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: a big thing in the locker room and guys talking 769 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: about that and saying, oh, I want to create my 770 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: own n f T and not being able to do that. 771 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's even starting even earlier for athletes 772 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: with these n I L deals. Tell me more about that. 773 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by that because I have to think that 774 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: you in your mind must have thought about, like, what 775 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: would I have done, Oh man, if I had shown 776 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: up to Nebraska and and or wherever and this had 777 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: been available to me. What are the sort of pros 778 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: and cons of the of this current kind of wild 779 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: wild last There is a lot of pros and cons, 780 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: And I think one of the pros, in my opinion, 781 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: has being able to go to a great university. You 782 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: can set up kids for life, uh, and they don't 783 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: have They can play for the university and transition into 784 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: their normal work life, but they would have left and 785 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: had a nest day that they've been able to potentially 786 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: earn through an ill contracts and opportunities within and learning 787 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: and meeting the business community, which is then exposure for 788 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: those kids to say, wow, I got this great pain 789 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: And I had some of that exposure being able to 790 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: go work for a lumber yard, being able to work 791 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: for a structural engineer company at Nebraska, and those relationships 792 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: came through the university. UH, and it was everything was 793 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: above board, which was great, and I actually earned a 794 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: check and gotta learn what a W two was and 795 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: and had to do my taxes and stuff. But some 796 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: of the negative things is is you start to see 797 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: how people are really leveraging, like we're saying, all right, 798 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: we've got a ton of booster money, We're going to 799 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: create these own things. And if some kids are well, 800 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: if you can't match this, I'm not coming to your school. 801 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: And it's all about dollars and cents versus kind of 802 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: the experience and having one you're going to going to 803 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: school to get an education, to further yourself and then 804 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: be a student athlete at the same time. So I 805 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: think there's some different pieces, and I talked about taxes 806 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: and the financial literacy aspects of things where those kids 807 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: are gonna You're gonna see people who make mistakes and 808 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: I r S is gonna come after them rightfully. So, 809 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: but at the same time, you got to see the 810 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: adults that are supposed to be overseeing them, whether it's 811 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: their parents or the universities being able to say you 812 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: need to teach these kids what they're getting into versus 813 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: just kind of hanging them out to dry. What have 814 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: you seen in terms of the just staying with the 815 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: league for a second, the evolution of player empowerment, but 816 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: also you know where a couple of years removed from 817 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: the summer of when you know, a long overdue reckoning 818 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: happen around racial and just just in this country, we've 819 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: seen movement. You know, we're a few years past Colin 820 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: Kaepernick and his protest. What what do you make especially 821 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: as as not just a player, but as a businessman, 822 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: someone who thinks about the economics of the game, your 823 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: own economics. Where are we in that journey toward even 824 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: just economic and social equality. I'm not sure exactly where 825 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: we're sitting at. I think we're still very early though, 826 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: uh And I think it's something that is going to 827 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: need to be ongoing for a very very long period 828 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 1: of time, whether that's decades or hundreds of years. But 829 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad it's started because it needs to be consistent 830 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: and continue to grow upon that for all races and 831 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: for all people. And it's unfortunate, Like I look at 832 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: Portlands and we don't necessarily Yes, we've had our own 833 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: trials and tribulations with race here, but I grew up 834 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: in a in an area and and and I guess 835 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: the time where it really wasn't a big focus. I 836 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: talked to people as they who they are versus what 837 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: they look like. What didn't we talk about from from 838 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: your business perspective that that you think is important to 839 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: understand you as a as a business person. And I 840 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: think one of the most important things we touched on 841 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: a little bit um in capitalism, but also we have 842 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: very altruistic view when it comes to our real estate 843 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: endeavors and being able to be have multifamily units and 844 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: be able to create them uh and mixed use developments. 845 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: I think one of the most things I'm gonna be 846 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: proud of as we're getting this journey uh and started 847 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: is our ally Projects Attainable Living initiative where we really 848 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: want to have the ability to afford attainable living for 849 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: everybody UH and we're starting here importantly, and we have 850 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: two projects that are underway, one of them or two 851 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: of them right now that are coined our young black professionals, 852 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: where you really have the ability to support young black 853 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: professionals that are in the construction industry, the architecture industry, 854 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: all these different industries that they want to live in 855 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: the urban core versus being pushed out into the suburbs 856 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: because that's the only place they can afford. By bringing 857 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: them back in and changing affordable housing to where it's 858 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: really a private fund, privately funded versus publicly funded. Because 859 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned this to you, I think we're just talking 860 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: to my office about It's one of the most expensive 861 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: ways of building real estate is with affordable housing, and 862 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: it is almost the worst housing at the same time, 863 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: because there's no way to really push it and help 864 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: people really advance. And I think one of the ways 865 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: that we can do that with with all cap as 866 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: we call it, is giving them the opportunity to not 867 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: only pay rent and understand those different pieces and keep 868 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: it afloat, but also give them an opportunity to be 869 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: a part of it. And one thing you know about people, 870 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: when they have ownership into a building, they take care 871 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: of it that much more better well, And and he 872 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: sparked another question in my mind, which is this notion 873 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: of housing and real estate as as a key element 874 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: of generational wealth creation as well as closing yeah, the 875 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: wealth gap, Right, how does that figure into your broader theory? 876 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: That's ultimately the thing is, like it's a simple concept 877 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: of like I don't want to be at the top 878 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: of the pyramid or be amongst the one percent and 879 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: be there by myself. I want to bring other people 880 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: with me and that's ultimately one of my ultimate goals 881 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: to help not only family and friends, but people that 882 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: want to help themselves. They just need a helping hand. 883 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of ways that I didn't I'm 884 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: not where I'm at right now if I hadn't been 885 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: given a helping hand and so being able to work 886 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,479 Speaker 1: with people, whether it's on the commercial side of things 887 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: with Alberta Ali and the housing area, whether it's with 888 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: all cap and ally, or just in general, being able 889 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: to help people have interests and say all right, this 890 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: is how I want to be able to effect change 891 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: and effect life. Going back to the concept of being 892 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,919 Speaker 1: able to get social change. What don't you want to do? Yeah, 893 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: you have a lot of ambitions I don't want to do, 894 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: like because obviously you know that there are only so 895 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: many hours in the day. You you make a lot 896 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: of them. Um, but what are the things where you're like, 897 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm I'm less interested in that, or 898 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm less interested in that sort of business opportunity. What's 899 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: your screen? Uh? I don't know if I have a 900 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: true screen. I know at my early ages that I've 901 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: looked at everything, uh and kind of narrowed down to 902 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: what my main focuses are. But if it's creative enough 903 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: and it's game changing enough, I'll definitely take a look 904 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: at it. But I think my core aspects are for 905 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: sure real estate, and I enjoyed looking at investing in 906 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: companies as well, but real estate in the investment world, 907 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be become a computer engineering 908 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: anytime soon. As I look at your real estate investments 909 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: in the development projects, there's this continuum. It It feels 910 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: like of you know, the customer, but and also the ownership, 911 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: but also that that in between of like who's running 912 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: the restaurants, who's running the retail establishments? Talk about the 913 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: intentionality as it were, of that. Yeah, I think there's 914 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: a a way to link everything together and there's a 915 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: streamline of how they can all be beneficial to not 916 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: only the top end but also the bottom end of 917 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: where things start. And I think for people they if 918 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: they don't look at it from holistic approach, then I 919 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: think you're you're missing the mark. And I think that's 920 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: something we try and be consistent of with people I 921 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,439 Speaker 1: work with, of having that holistic approach of being able 922 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: to say, all right, we're gonna start here and how 923 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: we can affect other people in a positive manner as 924 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: we see projects that we're excited about. Because ultimately, as 925 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: an owner, you have a lot of power in terms 926 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: of deciding, right, I'm going to least to this person 927 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: or to this concept or or or to this restaurant, 928 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: and that that's a big responsibility. Yeah, it's a big 929 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: responsibility not only from an investor, from an investor's perspective, 930 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,879 Speaker 1: but also just from the standpoint of being able to 931 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: help this person move there. They have a desire to 932 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: grow and be different than somebody else versus just saying 933 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: all right, I just want to do this and kind 934 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: of tests the waters and then kind of go from there, 935 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: because you have kind of that fiduciary responsibility to one 936 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: bring up the neighborhood and make it better than what 937 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: it was before you got there, and especially after you leave, 938 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: uh and then also be able to return capital and 939 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: be able to see something success. And then you want 940 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: to be proud of the things that you create as well. 941 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: So tell me about Brennan. I mean, this is a 942 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: guy who grew up here, but like you did in 943 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: the league, like you were well educated, well brought up. Um, 944 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: tell me about sort of nurturing him. It feels like, 945 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: so it's interesting. Uh. Actually our fathers met first and 946 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: that was the linkage. And my dad had asked me 947 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: because Brendan's dad at the time was working for the 948 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: City of Portland's like we should meet with him. And 949 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: I had a great meeting with him. I want you 950 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: to meet with him and get to know him and 951 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: see how he envisions kind of where the city's going 952 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And then also, um, during that meeting, Brennan's 953 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: dad is like, you have a son that's coming up. 954 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: He just left Central Catholic a little bit ago and 955 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: he's getting ready to go into the league. It's like, 956 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm happy to meet him, uh and connect with if 957 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: I can never be any help. And so later on 958 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: Brendan leaves and we get connected and uh we happen 959 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: to go to the same physical therapist at the same time, 960 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: and Brendan was like, yeah, I'd love to come work out. 961 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure, I mean, you're working 962 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: out right now at ten o'clock when I'm showing up 963 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: to do physical therapy. Are you sure you wanted to 964 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: come work out? And so I said, it's up to you. 965 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 1: If you want to. But we start at five thirty. Uh. Like, 966 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,399 Speaker 1: so as we started to get to know each other, 967 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: and he was consistent with showing up even tiny pulling 968 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: in uh, super close to the starting time, I took 969 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: a liking to him. Uh. And really as we started 970 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: to work on the athletics side of things, we've just 971 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: naturally have conversations throughout our workouts and seeing the different 972 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: things that he's working on and asked advice and saw 973 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: what I was doing. And I'm kind of an open 974 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: book once once I get comfortable with you, uh and 975 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: understand that you're like a real person and and don't 976 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: want to be um approaches in a negative way. But 977 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,399 Speaker 1: most story short, we just started to blossom and grow 978 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: from that standpoint and pick ideas off each other and 979 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: really just kind of created a true like little brother 980 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,959 Speaker 1: big brother friendship and relationship. And it's kind of taking 981 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 1: a taking on song and from the business respect, I 982 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 1: mean pretty similar play. But I mean he's started coming 983 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: up through the real estate ranks like you did. Right. Yeah, 984 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 1: he has excitement into the real estate space. And I 985 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: told him, I don't know, I mean he he lives 986 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: in he grew up in the north part of Portland's, 987 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: which is St. John's, is a little bit different than 988 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 1: the hard of Portland, the northeast where I grew up, 989 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: but not too different from the standpoint into that. So 990 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: I told him, I don't know the nuances out here, 991 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: but I'm happy to help you with all the resources. 992 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: And the way he took those relationships that I afforded 993 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: him and cultivated them, I said, yeah, he's a real player. 994 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: He really wants to be involved in these different things 995 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 1: and he's not just kind of joking around. And so 996 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: that's where he started to build out his team. And 997 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: I told him all the different things that I have 998 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: and what I do and how I approached different pieces, 999 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: and he's just gone with it and ran And then 1000 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: obviously we'll be able to work on projects together, which 1001 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: is fun and interesting as well. So when you think 1002 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: about the locker room, what's the mix of of guys 1003 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: who are like, you know what, I'm in the league, 1004 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play football, somebody else will deal with my money, 1005 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: and the guys like you who really want to get 1006 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I think the biggest differences there's nothing 1007 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 1: wrong within trusting somebody if there are a quality person 1008 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: to take care of your money and for you to 1009 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 1: have kind of the high level and know what to 1010 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: look for. I think that's great. If you don't want 1011 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,280 Speaker 1: to be in that space, no problem. But for somebody 1012 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: like me, who I think is a little annual retentive 1013 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: and from the standpoint of like, I want to know 1014 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: the details and how things work. Um. I've always been 1015 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: fascinated and interested in seeing how I can not only 1016 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,240 Speaker 1: think about things differently, but also how all those processes work, 1017 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: and I think the differences. I want to be hands on. 1018 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,359 Speaker 1: I've never wanted to be a passive investor. There's nothing 1019 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: wrong with being a passive vensor. I think there's some 1020 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: good things and there some bad things with with regard 1021 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,319 Speaker 1: to it. But I really want to be hands on 1022 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: and I want to actually not only add value to 1023 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: my own portfolios, but also add value to other things 1024 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 1: that I have interested in as well. So Portland's it's 1025 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: a boom town right now. It was more of a 1026 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: some town when when you were growing up, and that 1027 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 1: wasn't that that long ago. What have you seen? Important 1028 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 1: has gone through a lot of ebbs and flows. Uh, 1029 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: And I think as of late, people look at the 1030 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: city as it's down in the dumps. I think one 1031 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: of the things is that we obviously embraced, embraced the 1032 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: homeless community and able to help and transition them hopefully 1033 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: get them on their feet. Um in. In addition to that, 1034 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of gun violence that happened 1035 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: in the nineties and we're kind of back in that 1036 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 1: same way where it's still at the height of what 1037 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: we've seen in the in the past years. And I 1038 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: think every city goes through the kind of ebbs and 1039 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: flows and when it comes to development in different things 1040 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: of that nature. I think there's different rules that came 1041 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: into play that made a non developer friendly, which I 1042 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: think they will start to change and create that and 1043 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: I think that goes into the legislation and all these 1044 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,280 Speaker 1: different pieces of that happen. But I've always been bullish 1045 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: on this city because one, we're always going to be 1046 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: the cheapest on the West Coast, and it's a great 1047 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 1: lifestyle to be able to work but also have amazing 1048 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,799 Speaker 1: weather and play outside, go up to the mountains. You've 1049 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: got the desert down south, and it's just one of 1050 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: those cities that like those amazing things that come out 1051 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: of it. You just have to kind of look past 1052 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: the rough feathers that we have going on right now 1053 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: and as we start to clean things up. So you've 1054 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 1: had an obviously a long term relationship with this city. 1055 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,760 Speaker 1: It's given a lot to you and to your family. 1056 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,880 Speaker 1: Where are you in the process of kind of giving 1057 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: giving back to it. Yeah, I think for me, giving 1058 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: back to Portland is always something super important to me 1059 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: and really to my community that helped me raise me 1060 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: and supported me when I was afar. And one of 1061 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: the things that I've noticed, especially watching the Damon Stoddermeyers 1062 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: of the world that have played here but have gone 1063 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: gone away and then come back, and they always hold 1064 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: a very close to them close to their heart and 1065 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 1: being able to get back to the community that raised them. 1066 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: So for me, it's one being able to be in 1067 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: different initiatives that the city has helped them grow and 1068 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: show people how to how to really to get create 1069 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: success for themselves. And that looks at a ton of 1070 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 1: different ways for a ton of different people, and so 1071 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,439 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an ongoing life goal 1072 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,839 Speaker 1: will always be giving back to the city and really 1073 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: have ultimately excitement to do that and be able to 1074 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: raise my kids to be able to do the same 1075 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: thing as they grow up here as well. Thanks for 1076 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: listening to this special edition of Blueberg Business of Sports 1077 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: and my conversation with the Dominican Sue. I'm Jason Kelly. 1078 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: Check out the Athlete Empire documentary on Bloomberg dot com 1079 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,240 Speaker 1: or via YouTube, and don't miss the premier Athlete Empire 1080 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: that featured Alex Rodriguez and last week's episode with Hall 1081 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback Steve Young. We've got lots more in 1082 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,360 Speaker 1: the works coming at you later this year. See you 1083 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: next time. Two Another commity took too