WEBVTT - Week 11, Episode 2: Winning without QB1, Vikings avoid collapse, Concern for Titans 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.800 Happy Thanksgiving for the guys. Here a tape its Bobo 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.879 Shows and Dan Orlovsky Scott p Oli. It is obviously 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.000 a traditional football day on Thanksgiving Day, and we talked 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.239 a lot about the three Thanksgiving games in our previous episode. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.360 So if you missed that, please feel free to rewind, 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.520 go back to the one that dropped on Tuesday and 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.640 listen to what we had to say about the Thanksgiving games. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.360 But today we're gonna be looking ahead to this weekend 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.600 and in a way, looking back at some teams that 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.000 found a way to solve problems, because there's no bigger 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.880 problem in the NFL than when your quarterback is hurt, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.360 especially if your quarterback's name is Lamar Jackson. But the 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.920 Ravens found a way to win with Tyler Huntley at quarterback. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.440 How did he find out that he was starting last week? 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.320 Here's the story. He's crazy. I was walking towards the 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.080 bus and Lamar test He said, I'm gonna do your 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.600 thing today. I'm gonna be watching, and I was like, 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.000 all right, let's go. We're the bus was on the 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.920 bus ride here to the stadium while I was walking 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.560 to the bus, and that's how it came about did 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.960 you did you think that you probably were gonna start? 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.720 You were like, na, Lamar was definitely gonna play, Like, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.320 what were you thinking before? Just every week, I feel like, uh, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.640 you know, you gotta be one play away with Lamar. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.720 He tuts, so, just so you know what you gotta saying. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.160 I'm thinking he's gonna play the regardless. Uh he could, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.319 he could be breaking out in sweat. I feel like 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.480 he's gonna play. But today it's just a different circumstances 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.960 that I happen to play. So Tyler Huntley finds out 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.280 very much on short notice that he is the quarterback 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.360 for the Baltimore Ravens. Cult McCoy though he found out 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.120 he was playing this past week for the Cardinals as well. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.399 But that's not the kind of news that's gonna shake him. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.480 I've played long enough in this league to understand that 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.320 those kind of games happened. Um, they're absolutely not fun, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.720 and the good teams are able to bounce back from that. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.200 And I didn't know if I was going to be 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.320 a part of that or not. This week with Kyler, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.040 you know, kind of just he was really close. I 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.560 just prepared the same way and had the opportunity to 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.000 come out here and play, and you know, again, good 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.880 teams respond to week to week and and we were 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.880 able to to play really good, complimentary football. All right, So, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.080 Dan Orlovski, Scott Poli, it's life in the NFL, right, 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.400 I mean, how often does your quarterback make it all 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.680 the way through now seventeen games unscathed. Most teams in 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.400 the NFL at some point are probably going to have 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.800 to lean on their backup. And the Ravens did it, 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.480 and the Cardinals did it and they both got wins. Dan, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.160 let's start with the Ravens, and obviously they have to change. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.200 Nobody can do with Lamar Jackson does when he's not 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.200 in there, Like you're back. There's no backup quarterback in 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.520 the NFL. But no matter who you have, that's gonna 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.440 come in and do what Lamar Jackson can do. So 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.680 how does it change just schematically from a play calling standpoint, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.640 and how you put the game together when you know 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.440 he's not there. Yeah, I don't think Baltimore changed at 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.920 Oh honestly, Bob, I mean because they're similar type of players. No, 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.160 Huntley is not in the same conversation as Lamar, but 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.000 they're both similar with the skills that they have that 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.400 are their strengths, that the talent, the ability to go create, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.360 the throwing outside the pocket, loving the tight ends, the athleticism, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.560 and also the things that you don't ask them to do. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.519 You know, again, he he is not a pick you 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.799 apart type of quarterback. So I think whenever the situations arrived, 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.799 you know, when a backup quarterback has to play, my 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.360 mind always goes back to something. And I heard Steve 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.680 Young say, I don't know how many years ago, but 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.040 years ago when he said, your number one job, don't 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.960 lose the football game. Do not neither reason your team 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.400 loses the game. And I thought that was evident for Huntley. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.399 In for Cope McCoy, I thought Huntley did a fantastic 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.040 job of never being tied to the scoreboard. You know, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.360 they were struggling offensively and they couldn't get anything going, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.920 and you're sitting there going, you know, you're so used 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.560 to this offense being more explosive and and dynamic, and 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.960 then you're in this game, You're going, why can't we score? 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.920 Why can't we score? Why can't we score? And I 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.000 thought he did a really good job with his mindset 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.920 of going and I don't know if this what is 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.000 his mind, but it just seemed like, I gotta get 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.680 the game to the fourth quarter. Let's get the game. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.560 You can lose it in the first and second quarter, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.680 trying to be lamar And I thought he did a 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.600 really good job of that. Get the game to the 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.120 fourth quarter. I got a really good coaching staff, John Harball. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.480 What he has done is out of this world. A 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.800 defense that played well, they're struggling on offense subsequently for 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.560 the Chicago Bears, and then when the game like he 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.599 needed to go make some plays. I thought it was 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.200 really smart that they just stayed attacking to the right 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.520 side of the field. You know, the Chicago Bears defense, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.440 the secondary vill door, their rookie corners, you know, struggling, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.760 and I just thought it was really good to say, Okay, 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.960 we're just gonna can continue to attack the right side 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.120 of the field for this game winning drive. And what 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.560 you saw was throw to the right, throw to the right, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.160 throw to the right run, throw to the right run, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.960 throw to the right, game over. And I just thought 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.440 that was impressive by Huntley, mindset wise. And then once 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.240 the moment came attack, Yeah, you know, Dan you brought 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.160 up early, Um, the whole idea or the concept about 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.359 Tyler Huntley being some or to Lamar, I mean, I 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.120 totally get I agree with you on that. And the 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.960 thing is one of the conversations that goes on behind 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.799 closed doors in the off season of every offseason is Okay, 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.640 here's likely who our starter is, who's the backup? And 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.000 is the backup going to be similar or different than 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.080 what we have as a starter. How much do we 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.679 want to change what we have to do? How much 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.839 of a stress are we going to put on the 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.120 rest of our football team as to who our backup 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.720 quarterback is? And you're right when you say they are 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:39.880 completely different level players but have similar strengths, have similar limitations. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.360 What they want them to do, what they want both 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:47.360 quarterbacks to do is is very similar. You know. Um. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.080 By the way, a little random note here that I 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.440 found out after the game was it, did you guys 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.240 know that Tyler Huntley beat Lamar Jackson in a high 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.799 school football game they played against one another? That Huntley 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.120 eat Lamar chat I heard someone talking about and of 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.280 course I had to google it and look at But um, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.360 it's one of those things when you're doing your team building, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.599 what are we gonna do with our backup quarterback? I 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.479 remember these conversations we had every year, you know, in 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.920 New England specifically, but I remember being a part of them. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.120 In the first time. I was a big part of 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.320 those conversations. It was back in at the New York 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.680 Jets when we're talking about, Okay, we've got Vinny Testaverdie, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.119 who's going to you know, be the backup. We've got 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.880 Ray Lucas, who's this one guy. We've got Rick Meyer, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.080 who's this other guy? You know, completely different guys, completely 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.520 different skill sets, knowing that you'd have to have specific 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.039 packages if the backup has to come in, but what 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.039 happens if the backup has to come in long term? 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.000 And then every year up in New England, you know, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.039 one year we had Doug Flutie, one year it was 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.880 he Ward, it was you know, we have any Testa Verdie. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.840 We had all these different backups, and then it was 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.480 Matt Castle, and then we drafted Cliff Kingsbury, trying to 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.320 find someone that was going to be similar to Brady 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.800 in terms of style. And I think what Baltimore did 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.839 in terms of their roster building was really really smart 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.560 because what they did was they helped the rest of 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.640 the football team by having a player that has, you know, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.440 a similar playing style or strength of playing style in 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.840 the same way as their starter in Lamar Jackson. And 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.680 how about the Cardinals I mean, maybe they're looking at 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.160 Kyler right now and saying, look, we like we've got 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.920 a little bit of a cushion here, like we we 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.640 can potentially lose a battle to win the war. And 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.360 yet it doesn't matter. They bring Colt McCoy and he 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.080 finds a way to win anyway. That's the benefit of 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.000 having a guy that's been there and done that. You know, 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.320 with Colt has been a starter, he's been a backup, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.400 he's been cast off. You know, he's he's mentally resilient. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.600 That that helps. I was kind of a little bit 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.920 in that role myself. And when you go to a 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.600 football team, I think what happens with the Cardinals and 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.080 Colte McCoy is coat has had such a tremendous impact 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:53.800 on Kyler and the development of him, that you kind 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.840 of become better as a player yourself by the way 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.880 you are helping that younger quarterback that and your men 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 during and teaching him that allows you to become better 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.240 as well. Two things in this game, you know specifically 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.680 to this game and kind of the situation. First of all, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.360 I thought this past weekend was more about the Seahawks 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.880 and the Cardinals, and the Seahawks are not playing well 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.480 right now. It helps as a quarterback like Cote McCoy 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.680 when your defense is playing the way that they are playing. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.200 Just mindset wise, Bob and Scott like you as a quarterback. No, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.240 I don't have to go score thirty. That allows you 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.040 to play a certain way. You don't have to be 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.600 careless with the football. You don't have to be be 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.440 overly aggressive with the football. It doesn't often have to 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.240 get put in harm's way because you're you know your 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.960 defense is gonna play well. It was early on in 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.200 the game that you could tell the Cardinals pass rush 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.679 was gonna win. And what you saw from Cote was 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.840 very similar to what Steve Young that that quote I said, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.040 you know, don't be the reason your team lose the game. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.160 Coupe wasn't the reason they won the game. Completion completion, completion, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.240 You're gonna He just kept taking short completions and said, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.880 I know if I don't turn the ball over. If 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:07.160 I don't give the ball away, you Seattle cannot beat us. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.240 And I think that's that is that experience that pays 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.320 off of them. This team is gonna go as far 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.520 as Kyler is going to take them when they play 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.480 good football teams. I'm adamant about that. I think their 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.679 defense losing JJ you can run it on them and 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.439 they're not gonna be explosive enough to beat other teams 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.840 without Kyler's dynamic playmaking. It does speak to the coaching 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.440 and the roster that they're able to survive this, but 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.760 it really is because Colt was just very good going. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.240 I'm just gonna make you beat us rather than beating myself, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.640 and that is the key. Then it's don't go out 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.880 and lose the game, don't screw it up. I know 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.080 there's a lot of coaches out there who say something 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.520 much more explicit, but don't screw it up, and that's 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.320 what they asked the backup to do. But you know, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.080 another important point you brought up was the the history 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.800 and experience of Colt and being around ound and helping 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.520 with the development of Kyler. You know another place that 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.960 I'm watching it happen very specifically, right now. Is Brian 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.400 Hoyer up at the New England Patriots. The importance of 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.559 him to Mac Jones, if you watch the sidelines of 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.959 the New England Patriots, and you know, I got a 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.000 chance to see them during training camp and was up 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.120 there watching Mac Jones. Yes he's listening to Bill, Yes 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.240 he's listening to Josh, but he cannot get enough of 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.480 Hoyer and Hoyer's value. He's one of those again, one 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.360 of these players. He's been around a long time, been 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.760 a bunch of places, mostly been a backup, but everywhere 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.280 that he's a backup. And and Dan, I'm not saying 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.120 this to pump your tires, but I know players that 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.640 have played with you, they talk about your intelligence and 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.559 your value and the importance and how you see the game. 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.720 Having a backup quarterback that is smart and selfless is 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.600 invaluable in your team building. It's Jason Garrett when he 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.120 played at as a backup at the Cowboys. It was 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.280 Frank Reich when he was a backup the backup quarterback position. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.120 When you have someone who is smart and and and 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.679 selfless and wants to be a champion, that you cannot 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.199 put of value on the importance of that role. Yeah, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.160 it's a big deal. I appreciate that there is a 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.079 guy that wants to rewrite his legacy as a quarterback 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.120 in the NFC North. And that's something that we are 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.000 going to talk about when we come back on Tapeds. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.560 Welcome back to Tapeds, Bobo Shues and Dan Orlovsky, Scott 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.240 p Oli. Alright, guys. It is a traditional rivalry game 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.160 between the Vikings and Packers, and it's a game that 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.000 way too often Viking fans know they come out on 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.640 the short end. And when you give the kind of 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.439 money that they gave to Kirk Cousins to come there 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.199 and be the quarterback, what you're kind of announcing to 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.360 the world is we feel like we're a quarterback away, right, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:46.680 Like we have a team that could go to the 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.439 Super Bowl. We had a really good defense, we got 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.840 skill guys on offense, just a Jefferson's a hell of 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.040 a player. We have done everything we need to do. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.480 We just need that quarterback to go toe to toe 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.839 with Aaron Rodgers. And it seemed like he went out 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.520 air and did that this path and it seems probably 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.880 to give Kirk Cousins is due what he has done 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:10.400 this season. His numbers are absolutely spectacular and if you 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.320 look at what they've got on the horizon. We've been 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.560 talking about the Eagles and how they've got maybe some 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.360 soft landing spots coming up on their schedule. There's certainly 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.000 seems to be a tilt in the favor of the 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.400 Vikings schedule wise coming up down the stretch of this season. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.120 So give me Scott. I mean, I know you've been 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.880 someone that's kind of been, you know, waiving the flag 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.000 that people should notice what Kirk Cousins is doing for 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.840 the Vikings. Why has he been so good? And do 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.080 we believe that what we're seeing out of the Vikings 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.720 right now is real? Well, I think what Kirk Cousins 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.000 did this past weekend um that he needs to do. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.839 Because again I am not an over the top Kirk 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.240 Cousins guy, because I see his limitations and I believe 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.199 he has limitations. I don't think he's a very good 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.120 or great NFL quarterback. I don't think to me he is. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:04.280 What Kirk Cousins did and the final drive with two 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.560 minutes left that the Vikings had to me showed what 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.559 kirk Cousins needs to do in order for them to 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.840 be a good football team. And if you remember, you 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.880 go into first play, they've got first, you know, first 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.319 down from their own thirty and he throws a pass 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.719 and it's intercepted. Thankfully, the play was reversed and they 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.040 get another shot. So I am a firm believer in 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.559 the old football adage in critical situations, think of players, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.240 not plays. And I'm thinking someone probably said to Kirk Cousins, hey, listen, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.680 we're gonna do something here. Knock it off. Get the 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.200 ball in the hands of your best players. So the 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.440 very next play, what they do is they get it 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.120 to Jefferson for six yards. Right next play, Dalvin Cook 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.360 for nineteen yards. One of your best players, Adam theland. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.560 Next play for twenty six yards, Dalvin Cook. The next 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.360 play for twelve yards. They kneel, they kneel, they get 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.480 out of there. So to what Kirk Cousins did, either 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.960 he did it on his own or the coaching staff 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.520 made a decision. The best thing that he needed to 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.199 do was to humble himself and let the best players 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.079 take over. And the best players on that football team 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.040 on offense, in my opinion, are Jefferson, Cook, and Field, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.160 not necessarily any order, but Dalvin Cook is their best 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.000 and most dynamic and most important player in their offense. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.600 In my opinion, Yeah, I think that the Vikings have 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.800 the best wide receiver duo in football at Sadam and 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.960 Thinland and Justin Jefferson. I think that the Vikings are 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.880 a quietly very dangerous football team. They've got five losses 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.680 by nineteen points. And I know there is the world 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.800 of hey, you are what your record says you are. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.400 I don't subscribe to that because I think that the 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.920 Vikings are six and five and they're four plays away 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.720 from being seven and four. They're they're six plays away 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.680 from being eight and three. So I think they're a 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.640 really good football team. I think that because the Vikings, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.120 like when you have two wide receivers that are both 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.320 physically talented but then also can win. And when I 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.880 say that, I mean you can give them routes and 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.440 they get open, you know, like I can take a 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.480 piece of paper and draw up, Hey, we're gonna run 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.680 this pylon route justin or run this pylon route forever. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.080 And I've seen a lot of cats be able to 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.040 run that route and not get open. You know, they 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.400 run it too straight. Their tempo is not right they 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.840 stay too far outside, they don't seem inside enough, they 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.640 don't get to the proper depth, they don't take a 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.080 high enough angle. Both those guys are great route runners. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.160 You saw the vikings on both third and goal situations. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.200 Take Feeling once and Jefferson once once. They motioned Feeling 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.240 over and they just give him a choice route. It 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.200 is literally, guys, get open, dude, you know it is. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.760 I'm gonna give you a three way go here, and 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:54.360 I trust that you can go get yourself open depending 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.080 on the leverage of the defense. And this is this 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.880 isn't an absolute and you never say never. You can't 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.720 be right on defense when the when the guy is 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.440 talented and then smart and nose route running, you can't 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.560 be right. And Feeling motions over. He gets Kevin King, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.800 He sets him inside because the outside releases Justin. Jefferson 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.200 pushes vertical who's in front of him, and he uses 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.680 Jefferson as a little bit of a you know, kind 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.040 of a shield the guys inside. He breaks away touchdown. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.640 The next drive, it's third and goal again. They take 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.720 Dalvin Cook, put him in the slot as a wide receiver. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.920 They take Justin Jefferson, put him in the backfield as 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.240 a running back and they run the same exact play. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.880 It's just Jefferson out of the backfield as a tailback. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.120 It's almost Cooper Cup, you know, early on in the 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.520 season for the Rams, and he runs the choice right 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.360 on the secondary. You can't be right. And I think 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.080 that's the thing about Minnesota that does make them a 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.360 little different than a lot of other teams is they've 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.640 got those two guys that wide receiver that are very talented, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.800 They're very smart, and they know how to win on 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.000 routes versus leverage. When you've got two guys like that, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.400 that makes you really difficult to defend. Scott, You're right, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.280 Dalvin is such a big piece. But I truly believe 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.399 and I don't want to minimize Kirk's performance. I think 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.560 Kirk's a good player playing quarterback. Is I don't want 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.159 to say it's easy, but it's easy, you know in Minnesota. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.760 It's it's it's it's comforting, that's the phrase I'll use. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.639 It's comforting knowing how good those two guys on the 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.440 perimeter are. Is this a team in Green Bay though, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.520 that we should be looking at any differently, right? I mean, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.440 obviously they had when Aaron came back after the layoff. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.200 You know, they had a rough performance. Now they lose 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.199 this past week. Um, you know, again, the evolution of 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:42.800 the season. We talked about that a lot on Tuesday, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.080 How teams change as we go. Is there any kind 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.520 of evolutionary process going along right now with the Packers? 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.760 We certainly they got time to become the Packers again 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.520 before the end of the season. Bobby. You know, it's 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.960 the most concerning thing about the Packers for me coming 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.639 out of that game, the Elkton Jenkins a c L injury. Absolutely, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.200 that's the most consptly because at some point injuries matter. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.640 Jenkins has been their best offensive lineman by far this season. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.280 David Batari, they're all pro. Left tackle is coming back, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.919 we don't know, So then how is he going to 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.920 look coming off of a CLS And now you've lost 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.800 another key piece of your offensive line, and he's a 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.760 big piece. So I'm not concerned about you know, the 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.920 Packers defense. You're not gonna see a wide receiver duo 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.840 like that much in the NFL. Those guys are really, really, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.080 really good. I think they're the best. So I'm not 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.520 overly concerned about the defensive performance because you're just not 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.160 gonna see those Cats. But the Elkton Jenkins injury matters 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.679 such a big deal because of how good he is 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.199 and how versatile he is. Yeah, I Dan, I couldn't 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.879 agree more. And I hope I as I was hearing 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.600 you unfold that answer, I was hoping you were to 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.720 say Jenkins because that is a big problem. And Bob, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.480 we talk about the identity of teams, and the identity 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.360 of team is about what they become and what are 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.560 they right, we don't know what the identity of a 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.320 team is until the season's over. And what matters when 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.399 the season is over or as its ending, is where 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.359 they're at near that time of the season, and injuries 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.000 become a part of it. The healthy teams evolve in 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:23.520 a positive way. The unhealthy teams digress, and this Jenkins 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.199 injury is going to be a real thing for them offensively. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.520 I mean, they're banged up at the running back, they're 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.480 banged up on the offensive line. They've got some issues. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.240 They've got a little bit. I still also get the 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.640 sense with all of the Aaron Rodgers drama that's been 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:42.520 going on through the entire offseason training camp, then things 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.760 quieted down, they started winning some games, and then the 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.399 hold vax or non vax thing comes up and that 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:54.720 chaos that locker room. It can't I can't believe. And 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.280 I'm an outsider, so I may be talking out of 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.440 my ear here, but it I can't believe it. That's 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.399 not affecting or impacting the culture in and around this 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:09.119 football team somehow with all of the trauma that is 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.720 real and or not real. Interesting, Yeah, and it's funny. 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.080 The team I want to talk about next after we 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.520 take a quick time out. Um, it almost sounded like 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.719 you were in a way describing the Titans, right. I mean, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.000 obviously not with the Aaron Rodgers vax thing, but as 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.439 a season evolves based on health, if you have a 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.480