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Speaker 1: thirty days away from the NFL Draft, and we've got
Speaker 1: ourselves a good one on tap for the next hour
Speaker 1: as Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Dame Brugler, and myself.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's joining you for this Tuesday edition. Then we've
Speaker 1: got Bucky Katie and Dave Hellman on Thursday. Derek Eagleton
Speaker 1: working his magic once again, mixing and matching the host
Speaker 1: and finding a way to bring you guys the best
Speaker 1: draft coverage that we can potentially find. But this is
Speaker 1: one that I've been really excited about because one we
Speaker 1: get Dane Brugler back with Brian brought us, which I
Speaker 1: think is something that's gold in its own right, but
Speaker 1: also Jeff and Brian have five hours a day of
Speaker 1: radio together, and this is an hour of off the rails,
Speaker 1: no holding back and basically going at each other. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what's going to be really exciting about this,
Speaker 1: mister Brian brought us. Yeah it is. These cats don't
Speaker 1: want to smoke I'm about to bring to them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this should be a lot of fun, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Kyle, two guys that if I was
Speaker 1: ever to get back into the scouting world and get
Speaker 1: to run a team, these are two of the guys
Speaker 1: I would hire first. And I mean that with all sincerity.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed working with them the last seven eight years.
Speaker 1: And anytime that I could sit down with them and
Speaker 1: argue about these players, or agree about players, or paint
Speaker 1: a picture about these players, it's it's time very well
Speaker 1: spent for me. So I am looking forward to this, uh,
Speaker 1: to this day very much. Daney's gonna bring the spike
Speaker 1: to coffee for you about us, Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 1: Brian does the work, so I can I enjoy listening
Speaker 1: to the opinions if everybody that does the work, and
Speaker 1: Brian does more work than most out there, so I
Speaker 1: always enjoy the discussions. Um, you know, Jeff, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: puts in the work too, so you know this is
Speaker 1: gonna be. He hates offensive lineman. He just he hates
Speaker 1: offensive lineman Dane. So you know we can talk about
Speaker 1: I have watched ten offensive linemen. Okay, that's pretty hate
Speaker 1: them and I don't want to watch them, but I've
Speaker 1: seen ten of them, okay, and some of them. But
Speaker 1: he's seen every receiver in the draft. So just just
Speaker 1: let it be known that if it if his opinions
Speaker 1: coming on these receivers, he's got that couvered for your
Speaker 1: I think most years I watched one hundred receivers and
Speaker 1: six other prospects total. This year we got receivers slacking
Speaker 1: them up. The trade action we saw over the Wes,
Speaker 1: but we were moving, were moving, and we thought it
Speaker 1: was going to happen, maybe not a month before the draft,
Speaker 1: but the forty nine ers moving up to number three, Um,
Speaker 1: this this is going to be interesting. And not only
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen at three, but the ramifications now of four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: and then what happens at ten. This is gonna get
Speaker 1: really interesting. And it starts at three. What what which quarterback.
Speaker 1: Did the forty nine ers go up to get Obviously
Speaker 1: they're coming up for a quarterback. Trevor Lawrence is going one,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's going to who's going through mister broad Us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: San Francisco's gonna go ahead and trade all the way
Speaker 1: up to two to make sure that they get Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson out of this thing. That's what they're doing. They're
Speaker 1: just putting themselves in shape to be able to flop
Speaker 1: those picks. You know. Robert Salo being the head coach
Speaker 1: now with the Jets, trust me, they know what's going
Speaker 1: on in San Francisco right now. So you know, no,
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not buying the smoke. I'm not
Speaker 1: buying that I talked to here. I'm talking about smoke again.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to believe that. This is where
Speaker 1: I always tell people, like it's ice cream. These quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are like ice cream. It's your flavor, whatever you believe,
Speaker 1: you know. And Kyle Shanahan, he doesn't care what the
Speaker 1: Draft show thinks about these quarterbacks, don't care about our opinion.
Speaker 1: He will go out and get the guy he wants.
Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine with that, But to give up what
Speaker 1: he did to take a quarterback that's not as talented
Speaker 1: as some of the guys that he could potentially pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that that is going way way
Speaker 1: way out on a lamb right there. And you know what,
Speaker 1: if he takes mac Jones and he works out, well,
Speaker 1: it'll be one of more of those times where I
Speaker 1: could say, you know what, I was wrong about a guy.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how San Francisco can take Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: give all, they did go up there and take him.
Speaker 1: When you got guys like Lance and then you got
Speaker 1: potentially Fields on the board to take, I just don't
Speaker 1: see that this happening, and I'm not buying it. One day,
Speaker 1: what is the I mean, I go forward, Dane Well,
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, I agree with you in theory, um,
Speaker 1: because you know, to me, there's Lawrence's the best quarterback
Speaker 1: in this class. Then I have Zach Wilson, and then
Speaker 1: I've got Lance and Fields closely together, and then Mac
Speaker 1: fillings to five. So I agree with you that that
Speaker 1: would make the most sense. When this trade first came down,
Speaker 1: my initial reaction was, Oh, Trey Lance, this is perfect.
Speaker 1: I love the landing, spot, love the match there let's roll.
Speaker 1: But and I'm not saying that I that I think
Speaker 1: Mac Jones should be the pick. I'm saying that you
Speaker 1: talk to people around the league, and that's what they're
Speaker 1: talking about. And this isn't like a case of this
Speaker 1: isn't a case of like, oh, smoke screen and like,
Speaker 1: you know, like we've got player or we've got guys
Speaker 1: with the you know, the Cleveland Browns or the Seattle
Speaker 1: Seahawks telling us something the smoke screen for the forty nine. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what's going on. People in the NFL genuinely
Speaker 1: believe that this is going to be Mac Jones. A
Speaker 1: high percentage of people believe this is going to be
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Now that doesn't mean it's going to be
Speaker 1: but it's not a media creation. It's not the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers putting it out there that it's going to
Speaker 1: be Mac. This is what a lot of people around
Speaker 1: the NFL believe will happen. And so when you look
Speaker 1: at it, they are sitting there at twelve. You have
Speaker 1: to worry about Carolina at eight, and instead of trying
Speaker 1: to move up to six or five or four, it's
Speaker 1: just say, you know what, let's let's go up to three,
Speaker 1: eliminate all doubt and go and get our guy. And
Speaker 1: so this it is a very very likely scenario where
Speaker 1: mac Jones is the third pick this year. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: again you know if that's if that's the route that
Speaker 1: San Francisco wants to go, that's their evaluation. But I
Speaker 1: also you think about what you you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: these general mansions and let's buy the way. Let me
Speaker 1: get this out there. John Lynch is not the general
Speaker 1: manager in San Francisco. He is entitled title only. Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan is the general manager that that organization. Whatever players
Speaker 1: that he wants, he's going to get and he's going
Speaker 1: to move around. He's a good evaluator. The guy has
Speaker 1: a good roster. But for them to give up what
Speaker 1: they did for this, no, no, you just Philadelphia just
Speaker 1: proved to you that their pick is for sale at six.
Speaker 1: They got out of there. I mean they got out
Speaker 1: of there in a heartbeat. They're the ones that I
Speaker 1: think are going to lose in this whole thing because
Speaker 1: they were in that mode where they could have taken
Speaker 1: great skill players there, wide receiver, the tight end. Now
Speaker 1: they're moving back just so they could pick up some
Speaker 1: extra extra first round pick. You know, that's a team
Speaker 1: that's talent poor right now in a lot of areas.
Speaker 1: So I just see these teams again. If you're going
Speaker 1: up there to get ahead of Carolina, you know you
Speaker 1: could have probably done you probably could have done that
Speaker 1: at six and got and got right up there and
Speaker 1: not had to give up what you did to If
Speaker 1: mac Jones is your guy, you can't convince me that
Speaker 1: everybody else in the league ahead of you is gonna
Speaker 1: is gonna take him over the guys like yourself Day
Speaker 1: who are evaluating saying, oh, well, I've got Fields and
Speaker 1: I've got Lance. I guarantee you eighty five percent of
Speaker 1: the boards are going to have it that way too. Sure, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree, But what about if you move up to six,
Speaker 1: then you're working about Carolina at eight jumping you for
Speaker 1: for mac Jones. I mean it's you know, you said
Speaker 1: it at the top ice cream flavors, you know. And
Speaker 1: while I agree we were in agreement here on the
Speaker 1: way the quarterbacks would come off the board if we
Speaker 1: were picking, but that's we're not picking. And so there
Speaker 1: is a realistic possibility here that Kyle Shanahan views Mac
Speaker 1: Jones because look, Let's just let me play Devil's advocate
Speaker 1: here for a second. Why mac Jones should be that pick.
Speaker 1: What are the two most important traits you want in
Speaker 1: a quarterback? Accuracy, decision making. That's top two, and then
Speaker 1: you have to decide if everything else is good enough.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, you could argue, is the superior quarterback between
Speaker 1: Lance and Fields when you talk about those top two
Speaker 1: traits accuracy and decision making. Now he's not as mobile,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the same type of arm, and the
Speaker 1: physical traits aren't there. But the top two traits you
Speaker 1: look for at the position, that's where mac Jones gets
Speaker 1: those checks over some of the other quarterbacks. So that's
Speaker 1: me playing Devil's advocates, saying I could understand why Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan would want to make that move and for mac
Speaker 1: Jones being the guy, and why he felt like he
Speaker 1: had to go up to three, get ahead of Carolina
Speaker 1: and eliminate all doubt. Now, if Carolina really wants mac Jones,
Speaker 1: they've got to blow away the Jets at number two,
Speaker 1: which is highly unlikely. Mac Jones is not going third.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not going third. This is me playing
Speaker 1: my violin on my way down with the Titanic. I
Speaker 1: won't believe it until after that pick has made. There
Speaker 1: is no way Matt Jones is getting picked third. No way, none.
Speaker 1: I'm calling not the credibility. I'm just calling everyone a liar.
Speaker 1: Whoever is telling anyone that is lying. Kyle Shanahan's a liar.
Speaker 1: John Lynch is a liar. They're a bunch of liars.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones ain't going third, so not happening. My question
Speaker 1: with this is, Dane, you've heard this from all of
Speaker 1: your sources, and you've you've kind of put the pieces together,
Speaker 1: and we've heard it certainly throughout the media. But where
Speaker 1: is your confidence level at with this potentially being a thing,
Speaker 1: with mac Jones potentially going third overall, Because I mean
Speaker 1: we'll talk about your top one hundred coming up in
Speaker 1: the third show, but I mean mac Jones is pretty
Speaker 1: far down that list. He's nowhere near the top three.
Speaker 1: So is your confidence level aligning with what you've heard
Speaker 1: from sources my confidence level and mac Jones being the pick?
Speaker 1: Or mac Jones should be the pick? How about both?
Speaker 1: Give me an answer for both? Well, I mean, mac
Speaker 1: Jones for me, is the fifth best quarterback in this class.
Speaker 1: Now I really like Mac Jones. Like, I was finishing
Speaker 1: up The Beast this week, and so I'm proofreading and
Speaker 1: I'm going through my quarterbacks and I'm reading every single
Speaker 1: word in my mac Jones report, and I get done
Speaker 1: with this report and I'm like, man, I really like
Speaker 1: mac Jones. Like he's a really good quarterback. When you
Speaker 1: talk about what you want at the position in terms
Speaker 1: of processing, in terms of ball placement, in terms of poise,
Speaker 1: I think he's got the best deep ball. Doesn't have
Speaker 1: the strongest arm, but I think he's got the best
Speaker 1: deep ball in this class. So there's a lot for
Speaker 1: mac Jones that I like. But with that said, I'd
Speaker 1: still take my chances with the other four quarterbacks before
Speaker 1: I took my chances with him, you know, mainly because
Speaker 1: of you know, they're they're close in those other areas,
Speaker 1: but their physical traits are superior. Now in terms of
Speaker 1: my confidence level and mac Jones actually being the pick,
Speaker 1: I don't this is it's tough. We're a month out
Speaker 1: and what you know, we've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 1: We know that you don't necessarily listen to things you
Speaker 1: hear a month out from the draft, But you know,
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers at three, they don't need
Speaker 1: a smoke screen anybody. Okay, like this isn't they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't need to fake anybody out. We know, we
Speaker 1: feel really really good, like ninety nine percent sure that
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going one, and we're about eighty five
Speaker 1: percent sure Zach Wilson's going to Okay, really really sure
Speaker 1: about those first two picks, forty nine ers. Now that
Speaker 1: they start to draft at number three, who are they
Speaker 1: going to draft? I don't know, but they don't need
Speaker 1: to say, you know, they don't need a smoke screen
Speaker 1: anybody in terms of trying to faking anybody out. That's
Speaker 1: just that they don't need to. So the fact that
Speaker 1: so many people that I talked to around the league
Speaker 1: believe it's Mac Jones tells me that there's at least
Speaker 1: something there. The fact that Kyle Shanahan is in Alabama
Speaker 1: this morning, look watching Mac Jones, that's not relevant that
Speaker 1: there is something too. That Kyle Shanahan does not go
Speaker 1: to many pro days, didn't go to Trey Lance's, he
Speaker 1: does not go to many pro days. The fact that
Speaker 1: he is in Tuscaloosa right now, that means something. Even
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you know, even if we can't say
Speaker 1: for sure he's going to be the pick, that at
Speaker 1: least means something, right, Yeah, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I yeah, there's a lot of people that I trust.
Speaker 1: I'm on the side of I don't believe it's going
Speaker 1: to be the pick. I'm like Jeff, I'll go down
Speaker 1: with the shift. You know. I think that I think
Speaker 1: that San Francisco is trying to be more clever than
Speaker 1: everybody else. I really do. I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: divert our attention. This stuff is too clean. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to quarterbacks, we generally don't
Speaker 1: hear who people like. We don't And now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, we all know that San Francisco's in love
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones. Not that's not going to work in
Speaker 1: my book. In draft rooms, that's the one position you protect.
Speaker 1: You protect the quarterback, you know, and but you try
Speaker 1: and protect all your all your picks too. But in
Speaker 1: this case, the fact that everybody now has got Mac
Speaker 1: Jones going there, and the hard thing about it is
Speaker 1: the people who studied the tape really don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Because Drew watched the other players, and you're saying, how
Speaker 1: could you not take it the more talented players? That
Speaker 1: goes against everything you believe. Now, this is a position
Speaker 1: that that people look at it different. Kyle Shanahan's idea
Speaker 1: completely different from everyone else's idea of what a quarterback takes. Dan,
Speaker 1: you brought it up accuracy. You know, that's that's important.
Speaker 1: You know, talk about the deep ball stuff, that's important.
Speaker 1: You know. I just think that to me, the fact
Speaker 1: that we know who the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 1: are going to pick at quarterback is hard to believe,
Speaker 1: especially at this point in time. Three years ago, a
Speaker 1: month before the draft. If I would have told you
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is going to be the top pick to
Speaker 1: the Browns, we'd be say the same thing. We weren't. No,
Speaker 1: we weren't talking about Baker Mayfield as a even a
Speaker 1: thought at number one until twenty four hours before the draft.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, And and and what happened is
Speaker 1: and your sources, in my sources of John Dorsey said
Speaker 1: he was looking for a quarterback that when everybody went
Speaker 1: into that locker room, they would look at and say,
Speaker 1: that's a leader, that's our guy in that's what we
Speaker 1: want to play for. Okay, maybe that's exactly, but again,
Speaker 1: you protect your quarterback list with your life. You protect
Speaker 1: un listen to the Dallas Cowboys. You try and protect
Speaker 1: your board too in Lana that the board gets out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometime gets out of it every once in a while.
Speaker 1: But to me, this is where and again, a lot
Speaker 1: of smart people, a lot of really plugged in people,
Speaker 1: I just don't it's two. If we found this out
Speaker 1: the night before the draft, I dig it right now. Nope,
Speaker 1: not at all. You think it's just two in front,
Speaker 1: two out there in the open front. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what teams don't want to do. Absolutely, you do not
Speaker 1: want to telegraph if if in fact you're if teams
Speaker 1: are sitting in their room right now and you're say,
Speaker 1: and you're Carolina, you know, maybe you do try and
Speaker 1: blow the Jets away. Maybe maybe you say, you know what, hey,
Speaker 1: if you guys will drop down here to eight, we'll
Speaker 1: give you this. We'll make a deal better than what
Speaker 1: San Francisco gave you for No. But they might pick
Speaker 1: Wilson still, you know, they might get the guy that
Speaker 1: they want. But I to me, this is this is
Speaker 1: this happened way way too early in the process for
Speaker 1: me to really believe in it. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. Now we'll get away from that number three pick.
Speaker 1: Do you foresee any more trades happening between now and
Speaker 1: because I think we're going to see some trades. You know,
Speaker 1: we can look at Carolina den right, Well, Carolina Denver
Speaker 1: at nine, you have the Patriots at fifteen. But my
Speaker 1: question is do you think we're gonna see some of
Speaker 1: those trades between now in the draft or do you
Speaker 1: think this is going to be We're gonna wait and
Speaker 1: see who goes three, and then that's when we're gonna
Speaker 1: see some trade action go on. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have some people that are gonna set some stuff up
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have some like listen, when if we
Speaker 1: go on the clock and our guys not there, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have some some pre some pre trade discussions with
Speaker 1: some teams. I if I'm to Dallas Cowboys, every mock draft,
Speaker 1: Jeff and I as we do a radio show every day,
Speaker 1: Jeff and I do like a big board report. We
Speaker 1: go through the mocks. Jeff tells me how many offensive
Speaker 1: players are taken in those mocks before defensive players taken.
Speaker 1: Every single time, it's nine offensive players every single time.
Speaker 1: It appears that way. Nobody's putting Parsons up there anymore.
Speaker 1: Nobody's putting Farley up there anymore. Nobody's putting those guys
Speaker 1: up there anymore. It's all these, all these offensive players.
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're somebody that thinks you want
Speaker 1: to get the best, now that Farley's got that injury,
Speaker 1: if you're a team that wants the best quarter, and
Speaker 1: you think cur Tan is the best quarner, go trade
Speaker 1: with Denver because there's a chance of Dallas. He's Tan Dane.
Speaker 1: I saw your top I saw your top one hundred
Speaker 1: or your top ten. You've got Certan at number ten.
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing.
Speaker 1: He's your first he's your first defensive player, isn't he
Speaker 1: yep on the board? Yeah, yea, Here you go Denver
Speaker 1: Horns not too far behind. Do you think there's an
Speaker 1: opportunity that even Denver could trade up to go get
Speaker 1: a guy. Maybe if they wanted that fourth quarterback off
Speaker 1: the board, they go up and try and maybe trade
Speaker 1: at Yes, you do not do not dismiss Denver as
Speaker 1: a possibility to go get one of these quarterbacks. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, especially if a bad quarterback goes third overall,
Speaker 1: you really want to go get one of the good,
Speaker 1: one of the warder ones. That's it. If you're Denver,
Speaker 1: you move up two spots, get ahead of Carolina, get
Speaker 1: your trade Lance, you know, get your justin Field. Who
Speaker 1: knows the thing is is we have a new general manage.
Speaker 1: You think Cincinnati at five would really trade with you?
Speaker 1: You think Cincinnati would five would trade, No, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna be staring down the barrel of either Kyle Pits
Speaker 1: or pass unless what do you think my mean? I
Speaker 1: said at seven? Look, if Denver wanted to move up, well,
Speaker 1: Denver could move up to four. At Atlanta. We don't
Speaker 1: Atlanta as a wild card. They could take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They might not take a quarterback. But if Denver wants
Speaker 1: to get you know, Trey Lance, they move up to
Speaker 1: number four and get your guy, and then you know
Speaker 1: you're left with Carolina. They're just gonna stand pat and
Speaker 1: see if Fields falls to them. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I think that if you're Denver, if John Elway
Speaker 1: was still the general manager at Denver, I'd buy what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But George Payton, no, no, I think we've
Speaker 1: never seen Picky. But we've never seen him as a pig.
Speaker 1: Gimme picks, gimme picks, give me picks, give me picks.
Speaker 1: That's what we've never seen him as a general manager.
Speaker 1: We don't have a sample size of him may the
Speaker 1: picks to know you know exactly what his philosophy is
Speaker 1: going to be. If he feels like there's a quarterback
Speaker 1: that's a clear upgrade over Drew Locke and is going
Speaker 1: to take this organization in the right direction, I don't
Speaker 1: Denver's not too far off. They did. They made a
Speaker 1: lot of smart moves on defense this offseason. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying Denver's intriguing. I'm not saying they're going to
Speaker 1: get a quarterback, but I would not dismiss them as
Speaker 1: an option there, you know, real quick, before we move on,
Speaker 1: what Miami moving the twelve and then up to six.
Speaker 1: What do you think Miami does it six and Philly
Speaker 1: does it twelve? I would like to start with I
Speaker 1: don't think that trade makes sense for Miami. The Miami
Speaker 1: the second part of it, because you went down which
Speaker 1: that's fine, and you accumulated a bunch of picks, but
Speaker 1: you came back up without totally knowing what's going to
Speaker 1: be available, unless you're just like, that's what I don't understand,
Speaker 1: is it. Unless Miami feels really really good about two
Speaker 1: or three different pass catchers, then that yeah, because that
Speaker 1: plan otherwise, because at twelve, there's a chance you miss
Speaker 1: out on all of them. So in that way, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. But it's just it's kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of strange to watch a team go from twelve to
Speaker 1: six and they can't know for sure who they're picking,
Speaker 1: because they can't know for sure that DeVante Smith or
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or Kyle Pitts or Jalen Waddle, like, yes,
Speaker 1: at least one and probably all but one will be there,
Speaker 1: So I guess you just have to be in love
Speaker 1: with multiple players there. Yeah, So they just certainly, yeah,
Speaker 1: they took over Philadelphia's spot. When we start talking about Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: when we talk about skill guys, we name every wide
Speaker 1: receiver available, we talk about pits. They're going to get
Speaker 1: a badass offensive player at six if they want one.
Speaker 1: They just took Philadelphia's spot. Philadelphia says, Oh, we don't
Speaker 1: need any offensive players. We're going back. Miami's trade netted
Speaker 1: him a one into three, an extra one into three.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Gerd did a hell of a job.
Speaker 1: He's now just taken over everything that we talked about
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia skill wise. Now is him play at Miami?
Speaker 1: And I kind of like what the Eagles did. They
Speaker 1: get an extra pick next year, plus they might get
Speaker 1: Davonte Smith at twelve. Sure, you know there's a there's
Speaker 1: a you know they might get JC Horne at twelve.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons could be there, even though they don't draft
Speaker 1: linebackers in the first round. So the Eagles pick up
Speaker 1: a first next year, so they can probably you're going
Speaker 1: to target a quarterback and next year's draft and they're
Speaker 1: still gonna get a pretty good player at twelve. So
Speaker 1: I like it for both sides. I think it is
Speaker 1: good for both sides as well. But Jeff, you even
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier when you were talking about Cincinnati saying
Speaker 1: that they're staring down the barrel of either Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Davante Smith, any of those pass catchers. One
Speaker 1: of those guys is going to be there at six
Speaker 1: for Miami, So I understand that kind of you guys
Speaker 1: went over that, and I don't want to repeat exactly
Speaker 1: what you said, but I think the going back up
Speaker 1: and the way that they did it, and Brian you
Speaker 1: said at netting those extra picks, I think Miami's playing
Speaker 1: chess when everybody else is playing checkers. I think that
Speaker 1: was a fantastic move. I think it was a good
Speaker 1: move for the Eagles because they get their choice of
Speaker 1: one of those Alabama guys maybe if they fall, and
Speaker 1: even hey, who knows Kyle Pitts could fall that far
Speaker 1: as well. Dave Hellman and our mock draft in the
Speaker 1: Star magazine had Kyle Pitts all the way down to thirteen.
Speaker 1: It's possible. I'm not saying that's gospel by any means,
Speaker 1: but it is possible to see players like that and
Speaker 1: talented players like that fall. Now we're gonna Gohea and
Speaker 1: step aside when we come back Twitter on the twenty time.
Speaker 1: It's one of the favorite segments. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: as many questions as we potentially can. I've got at
Speaker 1: least six of them I'm looking at right now, and
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Speaker 1: hit him up on Twitter, they'll even sign it for you,
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Speaker 1: do five hours. I work with two guys that are
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Speaker 1: It's a journey every single day. Listen to them talking
Speaker 1: about block chains and things like that. So hey, it's
Speaker 1: the way to go. But Krusty. Krusty's got a whole
Speaker 1: other idea in life, so he's gonna let somebody else blockchain.
Speaker 1: It probably you're not gonna get into the bitcoin and
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Speaker 1: was fun, all right. The star vision on Twitter says
Speaker 1: favorite player comps so far in this draft class? He
Speaker 1: said he'll start first, he says, Asante Samuel Junior, comparing
Speaker 1: him to Trade Davious White, Brian broad Us. Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite player comp in this draft? Man? Last
Speaker 1: Jerry it was Worths and Walter Jones. I don't have
Speaker 1: a favorite player comp. You know, when you go through
Speaker 1: some of these guys too, you try and say and
Speaker 1: mine tend to be older guys, older players back in
Speaker 1: the day, and I I just struggled. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: one that I think. I'm trying to figure out one
Speaker 1: for Davis. Uh, for my guy at the quarterback at
Speaker 1: Stanford is what I'm trying to figure out one for him,
Speaker 1: because I really do like the kid. I like the
Speaker 1: way he throws the football. You know, you could always
Speaker 1: kind of find a guy along the way that that
Speaker 1: was that type of a type of guy. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is tough because that's how I used to describe
Speaker 1: players to Jerry Jones, and that's how Jerry understood if
Speaker 1: you could take a guy and make him a paint
Speaker 1: a picture. For Jerry, that was the great thing to do.
Speaker 1: But it was always difficult. I know when we were
Speaker 1: doing the magazines and stuff. Dane was always in charge.
Speaker 1: That guy. I guarantee you Daane's got some guys. Who
Speaker 1: do you got, Dame, It's just somebody you like better
Speaker 1: than I didn't give you a comparison because I don't
Speaker 1: have anybody yet that this guy really reminds me of
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, I mean I try to come up
Speaker 1: with comparisons forming player, and some are not easy, and
Speaker 1: so you know, you just don't force it. But some
Speaker 1: I thought were really made a lot of sense to me,
Speaker 1: Like Travon Marry Um, Jesse Bates the corner or the
Speaker 1: safety from the Bengals. I think that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Jimmin White the linebacker from Kentucky, Zach Cunningham
Speaker 1: from the Texas. I think those two guys are just
Speaker 1: absolute clones of each other. Hunter along the tight end
Speaker 1: from Boston College a very very similar to Austin Hooper.
Speaker 1: I like that comparison quite a bit. Aziz Augilarry and
Speaker 1: Jannick and Gokway. So yeah, I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of comparisons that I really like in this class. Kyle
Speaker 1: Pittson Fanos. That's what I went with. Kyle Pitts was
Speaker 1: of course. Thanis was of course the guy who even
Speaker 1: the Avengers couldn't take down until they combined all their
Speaker 1: different powers, because Thanis is an unstappable He's inevitable, if
Speaker 1: you will, that's Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is inevitable. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: that might be the title of these that might be
Speaker 1: the title of the podcast. You know, it's funny when
Speaker 1: you watch a bunch of these players, and again, I
Speaker 1: there's certain guys that do pop. I don't try and
Speaker 1: force these these things, but they're like you say with
Speaker 1: with Tristan with Worth's. I mean, I just saw Walter
Speaker 1: Jones and I know that, you know, like the athletic
Speaker 1: abilion stuff, and you know it's just it's, well, those
Speaker 1: things it has to come to you. It has to
Speaker 1: when you're watching those players. You well, i'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I'll give you my one. I should have thought of
Speaker 1: this right up there because of the radio. I always
Speaker 1: talk about DeVante Smith as Marvin Harrison's. That's one of
Speaker 1: those ones that always comes to mind because of the
Speaker 1: way it's built, you know, that was that was the
Speaker 1: one that's not forced. It's a natural one. You know.
Speaker 1: When I watch him play, I think I'm watching Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison play football. Oh yeah, Darius Washington and Honey Badger.
Speaker 1: You do love that one. There you go. I didn't
Speaker 1: know Honey Badger was a four sixth athlete. I didn't
Speaker 1: know we played football on a track here. I thought
Speaker 1: they played on the field. I didn't know. I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't realize that. I mean the next time
Speaker 1: that they asked him to line up in a three
Speaker 1: point stance and run forty yards in a straight line,
Speaker 1: I guess if the guy runs a four four, Washington's
Speaker 1: not gonna catch him. But quarterbacks ain't thrown at him.
Speaker 1: They're not scared to throw at married ain't throwing at Washington. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're gonna throw just to throw at a higher
Speaker 1: than him. Just just throw it a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm waiting for somebody to do it. But
Speaker 1: they they really throw at the corners, but they also
Speaker 1: throw a married. Soon they're not throwing at Washington. Not
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. They know better. I like it, all right, kid,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Man. He makes up for it. Kid,
Speaker 1: puts himself in some good positions to make place. I
Speaker 1: will get him Creed. No, he's not a bad player.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. You see to me, I
Speaker 1: saw the lack of inches quite often, and not on
Speaker 1: his tape. But did he make your top one hundred?
Speaker 1: We're talking about our Darius Washington out of TCU. By
Speaker 1: the way, of course, not Dane hates little people. Hey,
Speaker 1: he just missed he I greeted him as a and
Speaker 1: this is I've been consistent with him from the start.
Speaker 1: You have a fourth round Nickel for me. A good
Speaker 1: player who has some shortcomings. Um, but a good player.
Speaker 1: There's the joke. How was that a joke? He has
Speaker 1: some shortcomings? How is that a joke? Um? Look, he's
Speaker 1: a good player. I made He's not like he's a
Speaker 1: bad player. Here is just there's some other players I'd
Speaker 1: rather have over him. Who's a better short player? Him
Speaker 1: or Samuel? Samuel? I think Sael was a much better
Speaker 1: better athlete. I mean he's he can cover. I mean
Speaker 1: he's I think you're you can do a little more
Speaker 1: with Samuel. All right, I want to get to our
Speaker 1: second question here, and this one again Brian. We'll remember
Speaker 1: this guy, but it's from aspiring journalist on Twitter. That
Speaker 1: was his name on both his tag and his name.
Speaker 1: So he asked, what are your reactions to Miami's Pro day?
Speaker 1: Of course these pro days continuing on throughout the month,
Speaker 1: and did it change your or confirm your opinion of Phillips, Rousseau,
Speaker 1: Rochet Dane. Give us some of the numbers that we
Speaker 1: saw from Miami's Pro Day yesterday, and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about how it affected us. Well. Actually I'm still waiting
Speaker 1: for the official numbers to come in, should be here
Speaker 1: this afternoon, but I got you Dane Philip was really good.
Speaker 1: Rousseau bad. Yeah, just from what we saw reported out there,
Speaker 1: it looked like Rousseau was not. You know, it's pretty
Speaker 1: disappointing compared to what you would expect from a player
Speaker 1: who has a chance to be a top twenty pick. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Jeff and I you know, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are and Rousseau, but I
Speaker 1: know Jeff and I are not. We don't see Rousseau
Speaker 1: is a top thirties two player in this draft through Brian,
Speaker 1: where do you see Ross? Yeah, I got him in.
Speaker 1: I got him in the second round. I don't see
Speaker 1: him as a first round player. But you know, to me,
Speaker 1: that's where again the things that you want to like
Speaker 1: about him, that's tough. That's a tough evaluation there, because again,
Speaker 1: when you kick him inside, that's his most productive stuff,
Speaker 1: and then when you see him play outside, you're like,
Speaker 1: let's guy's not it. I just couldn't get over the
Speaker 1: fact that everybody had him in the first round. I
Speaker 1: just didn't. I didn't see it. I didn't see it
Speaker 1: at all. And you know what I mean, there's there's guys,
Speaker 1: there's several of those defensive ends that I would rather
Speaker 1: have over him right now. I mean, I have problems
Speaker 1: with Quitty Pay, I have problems with the Penn State
Speaker 1: kid Away, I have problems with Rousseau. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: kind of got those guys all in that same group.
Speaker 1: I'm really not fired up for any of them. They're
Speaker 1: like guys that if they get taken in the second
Speaker 1: or third round, I could I could understand it, but
Speaker 1: I'm not putting those guys in the first round. I
Speaker 1: just don't see the ability there I ever saw in
Speaker 1: the fourth because I just don't. I don't like I
Speaker 1: don't think that he has any good traits. I think
Speaker 1: the traits that people are going to talk about is
Speaker 1: that he's tall and he has long arms. That's the
Speaker 1: end of the list. He's not an explosive athlete. He's
Speaker 1: not strong. He can't win off the edge. Gregory Rousseau
Speaker 1: is a pick that you're literally picking the traits of.
Speaker 1: He's long, and he had some college production as a freshman.
Speaker 1: That's what you're picking that even in the second round
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys, if he made it to forty four
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys picked him, I would say they made
Speaker 1: an awful pick. I just don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're getting out of him. He's not an edge
Speaker 1: because he can't win the corner. He's not a real dtackle.
Speaker 1: He's two hundred and sixty pounds and not even athletic
Speaker 1: at two hundred and sixty pounds. So I have no
Speaker 1: idea what you're doing with Gregory Rousseau. I think he's
Speaker 1: a Day three project. I think his length helps unlock
Speaker 1: some things that some other players you know, can't with
Speaker 1: the average athletic profile. And now Jalen Philip he detested
Speaker 1: off the charts, which at least unofficially, now that that
Speaker 1: was never the question though. I mean I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but watching Jaylen Phillips, I get flashbacks of you know,
Speaker 1: the Bosas, with just his understanding of how to use
Speaker 1: his hands, um, just their their thought process, the way
Speaker 1: they move. Um. You know. I don't think that he's
Speaker 1: quite as explosive as the Bosas, but he's very smooth
Speaker 1: and he plays well. It's the question with him has
Speaker 1: always been the injury and the off field stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's really what's going to dictate where he ends up
Speaker 1: on Draft Dave. Jaylen Phillips could go twenty. He could
Speaker 1: go sixty, and I wouldn't be surprised either. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's the Miami evaluation of those two kids is very,
Speaker 1: very difficult. I do have him in the first round
Speaker 1: below from Georgia. But and and I agree with him, Dane,
Speaker 1: I mean this this guy, oh so I'm I'm That's
Speaker 1: why I would have Philip. I would rather take a
Speaker 1: chance on Phillips with all the things you talked about
Speaker 1: as opposed to Russo that I'm not really sure what
Speaker 1: he totally brings to the table. I'd rather have Roche
Speaker 1: than Russo. I think I like Rochet a little bit
Speaker 1: more than most people do, but I still don't even
Speaker 1: know if I would do that. That's pretty right on
Speaker 1: the borderline of it. But kind of sticking with this
Speaker 1: same time, Yeah, I just want to get it real clear.
Speaker 1: I just want to be real clear where I am
Speaker 1: on the Russo top. You've been very consistent and I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. But kind of sticking with this same topic
Speaker 1: with Christian on Twitter, he said, which widely assumed top
Speaker 1: one hundred draft prospect is most vulnerable to a huge
Speaker 1: slip in the draft, and he wanted to say similar
Speaker 1: to Bradley and I and or Curvis Curtis Weaver rather
Speaker 1: from last year falling to the fifth round. I mean
Speaker 1: it happens every year. A top one hundred player is
Speaker 1: gonna end up falling. Dane. Is there anybody that you
Speaker 1: see that is more susceptible to that than anybody else?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Um, you know, I think, first
Speaker 1: of all, when you have so many there's so many
Speaker 1: guys at one position like receiver or corner, Ultimately some
Speaker 1: of those guys get squeezed because only so many receivers
Speaker 1: are gonna go top one hundred, only so many, uh
Speaker 1: you know, tackles are gonna go top So one of
Speaker 1: those guys that that position could get squeezed out. Um,
Speaker 1: looking at my list, here we talk about a guy that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, dave On Nixon from Iowa. Maybe could he
Speaker 1: be a guy that slips a little bit because he's
Speaker 1: got some you know, some track record issues and uh,
Speaker 1: you know he was a little heavy at his pro
Speaker 1: day things like that. Don't maybe dave On Nixon. Um,
Speaker 1: you got the injury guys like the d O Dingbo
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt, who I think is a top fifty player.
Speaker 1: But because the injury. Could he fall a little bit
Speaker 1: um to go another one of those guys you know
Speaker 1: the ACL Could that knock him out of the top
Speaker 1: one hundred. I'll tell you a guy on tape and
Speaker 1: this is from my school, Jabril Cox. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have Jabril Cox way too high wow,
Speaker 1: on their list. I don't. I am not I have
Speaker 1: at seventy eight. Is that too high? You know what?
Speaker 1: I think that if you dropped him a little more,
Speaker 1: you'd be I'd be more comfortable with that. I just
Speaker 1: don't see. To me, there's that flash. And again, I've
Speaker 1: watched every game he's played at LSU, and every mock
Speaker 1: draft that people send me, they pick him at forty four.
Speaker 1: Every mock draft he's at forty four, forty four, forty four,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't see that. You know, if
Speaker 1: he would, if he would get selected a lot higher
Speaker 1: than if he gets selected between forty four and fifty something,
Speaker 1: I would be I would be surprised. I think that Dane,
Speaker 1: you're closer to where he needs to be and maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit even further down when you when you
Speaker 1: truly evaluate him. I think that's just a reflection of
Speaker 1: in college, most of these linebackers you just see doing
Speaker 1: the generic spot drops, like that's all they're asked to do.
Speaker 1: But Jabril Cox, You've got real life tape of covering
Speaker 1: tight ends and doing it with ease. Like he's a
Speaker 1: bad run player. He's not a good run player and
Speaker 1: he plays linebackers. So I think that's awkward for people.
Speaker 1: But coverage at that spot has become so important that
Speaker 1: I think you'll just have teams that are like, look,
Speaker 1: we can teach a guy to play the run and tackle,
Speaker 1: but this coverage is kind of rare in college. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll be in the second round. I think
Speaker 1: it's where he'll go because it's just it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of rare in college to see linebackers who can do
Speaker 1: that or at least show that in college at the
Speaker 1: chef point. Yeah, but you also got to be able
Speaker 1: to tackle. Jeff and you talk about and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's been a lot of these LSU
Speaker 1: linebackers that have come in and done a pretty good job,
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm just saying I think people have
Speaker 1: got him too high. I'm gonna give you another guy
Speaker 1: that Xavian Collins. I really don't know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do with Xavian Collins, the kid from Tulsa. And I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people in it might say Tulsa,
Speaker 1: you said you did I said it saying I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: I to me, I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that guy looks like to me, just a sam outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: You know what else? What else you gonna do with him?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, you watch some
Speaker 1: of his tape. There's some turnovers and things like that
Speaker 1: that he creates, but he physically looks like a defensive
Speaker 1: end trying to play a linebacker. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know. Use him as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher? To you use him as a linebacker? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where do you use him? I think that people are
Speaker 1: probably going to overdraft him too. What about Walker Little Dane?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance he could fall because
Speaker 1: of the lack of tape, because of maybe some of
Speaker 1: the injury issues and the fact that he hasn't really
Speaker 1: played real football in a couple of seasons. It's certainly
Speaker 1: possible because of the reasons that you just stated, But
Speaker 1: I don't I think he's just he plays the right position,
Speaker 1: first of all, choice tackle. Everyone's looking for tackles, and
Speaker 1: I just think at a certain point on day two,
Speaker 1: the value is going to be too great and a
Speaker 1: team's gonna say, let's yeah, let's roll the dice. And
Speaker 1: we've seen him play one game the last two years.
Speaker 1: But you know, Pro day numbers look good, his Pro
Speaker 1: day workout look good, all the videos from his training
Speaker 1: look good. You know, this is a guy who in
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season opener against Northwestern, he looked like
Speaker 1: he was on a first round trajectory. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that I would be surprised if he falls
Speaker 1: out of the top seventy five picks. I think somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top seventy five, a team is going to
Speaker 1: roll the dice and see what they get. What they
Speaker 1: have on Walker Little I was interested about him. Six
Speaker 1: foot seven is pretty impressive, Brian, Yeah, it is, but
Speaker 1: I mean he but there's again you talk about the
Speaker 1: sizes ideal, the limited number of games he's played. You know,
Speaker 1: I would people are going to bet on that. Look.
Speaker 1: I think it's what they're gonna do. When you talk
Speaker 1: about the six seven to three twenty I mean That's
Speaker 1: what I had going in. But there there is like
Speaker 1: if you watch him play, he doesn't always play in balance.
Speaker 1: I mean he is for a tall guy, he is
Speaker 1: way over the top of his feet a lot of
Speaker 1: the times, and then all of a sudden me he'll
Speaker 1: set and then things will start to fall apart for
Speaker 1: him there. So I didn't see the strongest guy too
Speaker 1: for his size. I've been wrong about a lot of
Speaker 1: these tall, long, not strong guys. You know. I can't
Speaker 1: compare him to uh Nate Soldar out of Colorado, David Baktr,
Speaker 1: I mean tall, you know, those guys that don't play
Speaker 1: with a lot of power. Bak Tr like he manages
Speaker 1: to make it because he's such a great athlete, But
Speaker 1: I mean, you get these guys that don't play with power.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been burned by the walker little type
Speaker 1: guys before. So but I'm gonna I'm gonna bet that
Speaker 1: that he's a guy that doesn't immediately come in and
Speaker 1: and and help somebody. I think it's a it's probably
Speaker 1: a two or three year project with this guy. Well,
Speaker 1: and the other factor we have to keep in mind
Speaker 1: here too, is just the lack of information on the medicals. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, without the combine this year, you know, teams
Speaker 1: are getting the info a little bit later, which means
Speaker 1: we get the info a little bit later. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's always the possibility of one or two of these
Speaker 1: guys just get dropped because of a bad knee or
Speaker 1: their shoulders not right, things like that. So just something
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. I agree completely with Brian. I
Speaker 1: think a couple year of a project with him would
Speaker 1: be something ideal and then he could have a really
Speaker 1: successful NFL career. Now, who would be successful in a
Speaker 1: street fight? This is from Devin Boyle on Twitter. Our
Speaker 1: guy brought us his race team, Kavanaugh's flag football team
Speaker 1: or Dane scouting sources. Who would win in a street
Speaker 1: fight Anchorman style meeting in the middle of the parking
Speaker 1: lot and going at it. Who would win out of
Speaker 1: those three? Well, that's just a numbers game. I mean,
Speaker 1: depending which flight football team. If you're talking about my
Speaker 1: four man team, it's like six guys, seven guys. Race
Speaker 1: teams got more than that, and they probably have all
Speaker 1: sorts of wrenches and yeah, yeah, helmets. One take out themselves.
Speaker 1: They got helts, helmets, gloves, kneepads, they've got tools in hand,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're you're going to and they and they're
Speaker 1: all hopped up on mountain dew. I mean they're all
Speaker 1: jacked up. They drink a ton of mountain dew, they
Speaker 1: get five. I mean, you go over the wall. Man.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a tough job, but anchorman style. The
Speaker 1: fact that we have helmets and tools, I think we
Speaker 1: might have a chance with my guys. I do, guys.
Speaker 1: My guy's got a cell phone and a stopwatch. That's
Speaker 1: all they got. So my guys were carrying around jello
Speaker 1: shots and football cleats, it's all they got. So oh,
Speaker 1: I love it a little bit. Screws a little more athletic,
Speaker 1: used to a little more athletic than uh than my crew.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's close now we used to be.
Speaker 1: It's getting closer. I think that would be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I would gladly sit above the action and broadcast every
Speaker 1: single bit of it if I could. But let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and take our secon surrender before it starts. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you want to, like, I would just run up
Speaker 1: the I just run up the white flag and be like,
Speaker 1: good fight, guys, you gotta have fun. Everybody all right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our second break. When we come back
Speaker 1: back top one hundred, big board of Dame Brukler, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about, well, where are the Cowboys gonna look
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Speaker 1: He is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Final
Speaker 1: segment here the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's Brian brought us Dame Brugler, Jevin Er, Chevin, Jeff
Speaker 1: Cavanall goodness, gracious, I don't know what I was. I
Speaker 1: was about to say, Kevin, kat Turner, Dave Hellman and
Speaker 1: then Bucky Brooks are going to come up on Thursday,
Speaker 1: ten am Central Time for that one, but we've got
Speaker 1: Jeff for this one. This has been a whole lot
Speaker 1: of fun talking about Brian's race team absolutely beaten down
Speaker 1: the scouting department and the flag football team simultaneously. But
Speaker 1: Dane's been beaten down that big board and he's gotten
Speaker 1: down to one hundred at the moment. Top one hundred
Speaker 1: big board released on the Athletic. Go check it out,
Speaker 1: highly encourage it because there is a ton of information
Speaker 1: on these prospects and you can go read it right
Speaker 1: there on the Athletic. He does a fantastic job, which
Speaker 1: is why we love having him on the Draft show.
Speaker 1: But Dane top nine players all on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the football. The first defensive player in your top
Speaker 1: one hundred is Patrick Certan, cornerback out of Alabama. He's
Speaker 1: sitting at ten. The next best defensive player Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: at twelve, So a couple of positions back for that.
Speaker 1: Sandwiched in between Certan and Parsons is Rashaun Slater, the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle from Northwestern. So explain your reasoning right around
Speaker 1: that ten mark and one of the reasons why, well,
Speaker 1: there still wasn't a defensive player that snuck into that
Speaker 1: top nine. Well, in previous iterations, I did have a
Speaker 1: defensive player in there, but that was Caleb Parley, who,
Speaker 1: unfortunately with the injury stuff, we just don't know. You
Speaker 1: know that he's an unknown at this point, multiple back procedures,
Speaker 1: an ACL and he's only played two years of the position,
Speaker 1: so plenty of question marks. Now, you know, teams are
Speaker 1: going to be split on how they view Farley, and
Speaker 1: you know one team might say, oh, if he gets
Speaker 1: pasted pick twenty, we'll take the chance, where another team's
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, he has to get past pick sixty.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just every team's going to look at
Speaker 1: that very differently. I put Caleb Farley at twenty nine
Speaker 1: as my fourth corner as just kind of a placeholder
Speaker 1: right now as we get more information. But you know,
Speaker 1: I still you know Farley, he's such a ridiculous talent,
Speaker 1: six two, two hundred pounds. His arm length at the
Speaker 1: pro day he wasn't able to work out obviously, but
Speaker 1: his arm length thirty three and three quarters. I mean
Speaker 1: that that's almost an inch longer than Rashaun Slater, So
Speaker 1: just silly length. He's a legit fourth three guy, So
Speaker 1: big Caleb Farley fan, but we have to move him
Speaker 1: down so that leaves Patrick Surtant as the top defensive
Speaker 1: player and then jac Horn not too far behind him
Speaker 1: in terms of the top corners. Michael Parsons I still
Speaker 1: believe is you know, with his talent four three to
Speaker 1: six speed, he still belongs in the top fifteen as
Speaker 1: long as you're comfortable with the character concerns and you
Speaker 1: know the person that he is. I have very few
Speaker 1: questions about the talent. Uh So, you know, Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: he's in there in that mix um And then you
Speaker 1: know brought us was talking about the pass rushers earlier,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to love any of these guys. But
Speaker 1: Aziz Agilarry to me the top the top pass rusher
Speaker 1: him at sixteen, Quitty Pay at nineteen, uh than Jaylen
Speaker 1: Phillips at twenty five. Man, I'm gonna be dead wrong
Speaker 1: about Quitty Pay a bit, I really am. And I
Speaker 1: like your list, Ding, I really really do. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I personally like Horn better than certain but
Speaker 1: I can understand people falling in love. Certan's a ready
Speaker 1: made player. You know you watch him play at Alabama.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you know you you see you see
Speaker 1: quality play. You see some time so where there's some lapses.
Speaker 1: But you could say that about any of these corners.
Speaker 1: I just want the guy that's going to fight every
Speaker 1: single snap. And the thing with Horn, he's probably gonna hold,
Speaker 1: He's probably we're gonna get. But he was the one
Speaker 1: guy when you watched the Florida tape that they put
Speaker 1: him on Pits and he wasn't afraid of Pitts. I
Speaker 1: think Pitts is one of the best players in this draft,
Speaker 1: you know, And there were some times where he was
Speaker 1: tight coverage, knocking the ball the way, you know, Pitts
Speaker 1: kind of turns around, it looks at him like, you know,
Speaker 1: where the hell did you come from? Kind of a thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't always see that happen. Give
Speaker 1: me the guy that's really super competitive. I know you
Speaker 1: got him right there, but I could see I could
Speaker 1: see the Cowboys at ten saying, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: just take this guy. Let's take this Alabama corner. We'll
Speaker 1: move on with our day. We'll figure about the offensive
Speaker 1: tackles at forty four or whatever else we need to get.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see four four zero for Horn and
Speaker 1: four four one for ten? Both those numbers surprised me. No,
Speaker 1: I well, I guess they both surprised me a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what we're gonna get because it's protace.
Speaker 1: I think every literally every player and every time we
Speaker 1: get is hot, everyone of them. I think Jay see Horn,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him a four four five. Our Missouri
Speaker 1: linebacker Bolton didn't run all that great, now him, Well
Speaker 1: he ran four five? He ran what four or five nine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he plays faster than that on tape. I know,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna call him a four six five.
Speaker 1: If you tell me four four one for certain, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call it a four four seven. If you tell
Speaker 1: me four three nine for horn, I'm gonna call it
Speaker 1: a four four five because like the guys who tracked
Speaker 1: the athleticism, like, this is the most athletic draft class
Speaker 1: of all time. You know why because we're using handheld timers.
Speaker 1: We don't have a combine add time to every single
Speaker 1: time you see all of them, because if the combine,
Speaker 1: they'd be higher day. And I'll tell you one thing
Speaker 1: to go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: it's fine, go ahead. I was just gonna ask Dane, like,
Speaker 1: what is I mean we've talked about pro days previously
Speaker 1: on this show, but is there any extra ounce of
Speaker 1: at least precaution of getting these times right? Like, I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about potential lasers at these pro days,
Speaker 1: but I mean, how do we know which are not
Speaker 1: used by lasers and which are? Yeah, most of these
Speaker 1: are hand times, and but honestly that's what teams use.
Speaker 1: You know, they use even at the combine, they'll use
Speaker 1: their hand times over the quote unquote official times. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, and you'll see the results and one will
Speaker 1: be over the other. And then you talk to a scout, Well,
Speaker 1: that one was with the wind and this one was
Speaker 1: against the wind. And you know, there's there's so many
Speaker 1: factors here, uh, you know, a downhill track or indoor facility,
Speaker 1: I know, like the Illinois State UH pro day was
Speaker 1: outside in freezing tempts with freezing rain, and you know,
Speaker 1: so all of these factors play in to these numbers,
Speaker 1: and so the context is you know, it helps, but
Speaker 1: you know that's that's why I wait till I get
Speaker 1: the official times, and I'm just whatever the whatere the
Speaker 1: official times are. That's what NFL teams are using, So
Speaker 1: good enough for me. I think we're all grateful that
Speaker 1: the scouts are actually on the road right now and
Speaker 1: doing timings. I mean that that's something. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Something that's been a problematic for a lot of these scouts,
Speaker 1: other than the medical information, is the fact that these
Speaker 1: like individual workouts, you know, the ability to go and
Speaker 1: work somebody out on your own, with your own staff
Speaker 1: and your own environments and things like that. That's hurt
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys because the pro days they have,
Speaker 1: that's the only evaluation they got. So you know you
Speaker 1: have to go do you have to go retime a kid.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to make sure you have a
Speaker 1: better vertical jumps whatever. I mean, there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things going into this stuff. And you know, the scouts,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're always they're doing the best they can.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of situations like I know
Speaker 1: that track at Ohio State is downhill. I mean it
Speaker 1: is a downhill facility. They run them at the top
Speaker 1: of the hill, run them downhill. When you see those
Speaker 1: times from Ohio State, you're like going and they're flying.
Speaker 1: Well they're flying for a reason because they're running downhill
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you could do about that. That's the
Speaker 1: way the way a center is. But that's that's but
Speaker 1: that's what you got to do. That's what scouts. That's
Speaker 1: where we're at right now with these scouts working that
Speaker 1: with the with what they have, and that's why this
Speaker 1: year it matters a little bit more. Um Okay, the
Speaker 1: our our dB coach was at which pro day and
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator was where. I mean that that matters
Speaker 1: because we don't have you can't bring these guys to
Speaker 1: the facility for a personal workout for you know, a
Speaker 1: facility visit. You can't. You can't do that. It's all
Speaker 1: about the pro days. So where the coaches go, where
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinators go. Do you have a positional coach
Speaker 1: go to our specific pro day? That always matters, but
Speaker 1: even more so this year. Okay, well, then we need
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of a mystery. What's McCarthy
Speaker 1: doing at Ohio State. Mike McCarthy's at Ohio State. I've
Speaker 1: seen pictures. We're going to figure out what player is
Speaker 1: is Mike McCarthy interests of them? That's who it is? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you need a fifth round pick, I could see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that. That's what I saw the picture,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who is he looking at at Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Eight Tommy, Yeah, I think it's probably Yeah, yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go too. Maybe the linebackers, maybe a little Billiard.
Speaker 1: They've got some offensive lineman two there. I mean that,
Speaker 1: you know that you you have to probably get an
Speaker 1: ideal of. But yeah, I mean to me, that's you know,
Speaker 1: McCarthy's probably one of those things that he's just going
Speaker 1: out hitting the big schools. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: he's really picking all this stuff up. I mean, good
Speaker 1: restaurants around there. I'll tell you what, though, he didn't
Speaker 1: mention about him going to Kentucky. He didn't mention about
Speaker 1: going to Kentucky. You know, boss man fat let's go.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a cornerback right there. I think they're
Speaker 1: hunting cornerbacks. I think he's gonna take a look him
Speaker 1: and Will mccleaid they're gonna gonna take a look at
Speaker 1: all the cornerbacks in this these top corners, and see
Speaker 1: which one they need. Well, in the conversations that I've
Speaker 1: had with some of the scouting department, is that not
Speaker 1: only is it the numbers that are tougher to game
Speaker 1: this year, it's how like, how these players are off
Speaker 1: of the field, What is this person like? What is
Speaker 1: this prospect like? And I know Brian, Dane, Jeff, you
Speaker 1: guys have been around this long enough to say and
Speaker 1: say that's already probably the hardest part of the draft.
Speaker 1: It's not you can always look at the numbers, you
Speaker 1: can always look at the tape. It's finding out what
Speaker 1: kind of person, what kind of player and mentality leader
Speaker 1: these prospects. Ultimately you're going to be whenever they get
Speaker 1: to the next level. And that's one of the parts
Speaker 1: of this draft that are almost completely taken out unless
Speaker 1: you go to these pro days or unless you saw
Speaker 1: them at the Senior Bowl. Well, I got good news
Speaker 1: for you, Kyle my gut Kelvin. Joseph's easy to figure out.
Speaker 1: Ask the two coaching staffs that didn't like him, and
Speaker 1: you can check out the boss Man Fete YouTube page
Speaker 1: and you can hear his music and it's good music
Speaker 1: and he's a good corner. Let's go. Okay, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to wonder how the Isaiah Wilson situation from
Speaker 1: last year is going to affect teams this year. You know,
Speaker 1: with not having a full idea of a player's character,
Speaker 1: you know what red flags are going to be acceptable,
Speaker 1: which ones aren't. You know that Isaiah will say and
Speaker 1: situation is going to stick with some teams when their
Speaker 1: decision making this year. It'll be interesting to look at
Speaker 1: and if the Cowboys are looking at ten offensive players
Speaker 1: on the board, who's gonna look in the defensive side
Speaker 1: of things. That was gonna be the topic we were
Speaker 1: trying to get to, but we ended up getting sidetracked
Speaker 1: a couple different times. We might have to save that
Speaker 1: for next week. Brian, that was a good idea that
Speaker 1: you came up with, but I think that's something that
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be a debate for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys moving into for the tackle n you do like
Speaker 1: I can, Nick Bolton, Yeah, that Peyton Turner. Okay, just
Speaker 1: keep naming him, Jeff, and we'll just ride off into
Speaker 1: the sunset with you just naming prospects. Mary. He shouldn't
Speaker 1: go in the first round here, should go around forty four.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Don't do that. Do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, Chris Beam in the back for excuse me,
Speaker 1: because for Jeff Kabitaugh, for Dame Brugler, for Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you on Thursday,
Speaker 1: ten am Central Time on The Draft Show, Eric Stokes,
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