WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Soviet Psychotronics 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.240 In this week's classic episode, we would like to present 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.840 to you a very strange story that is at least 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:13.920 partially true. And there's a story of a conspiracy halfway 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:18.759 around the world, conspiracy that takes place in the darkest 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:24.280 depths of classified institutions throughout the U. S. S R. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.800 If you're a longtime listener to the show, then you 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.640 have doubtlessly heard of the United States program known as 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.880 MK Ultra, and you've read any number of books, You've 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:41.159 seen any number of documentaries about the us IS classified 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:49.400 experiments with things like allegations of esp or psychic powers. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.080 But did you know that the U. S s R 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.680 had its own program and so in form of paraspsychological 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:03.480 research they called the psycho tronics, And like the US, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.800 they experimented in this field for a number of years. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:15.479 In fact, the some version of the Soviet era program 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.280 continued until two thousand and three, at least officially. In 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:26.959 today's Classic, we dive deep into the strange, twisted story 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:32.360 of psychotronics from UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.040 History is writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:45.040 now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.440 and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.280 the theyve been Actually, my real name is Ben, and 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.600 I promise I won't do that accent anymore. Uh, Matt, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.920 I can always tell when things are about to get 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.160 serious on our show, whether it's our video or audio, 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.360 because you've got the E. You've got the E smoke going. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.280 Oh yeah, yeah, sorry about that. No, it's cool. It 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.040 reminds me of the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderlands. Oh wow, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.160 that's the look. I'm going for. Caterpillar with a hookah? 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.919 Is that the That's that explains so much about our 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.240 profile picks that we've been working on. Uh, we are 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:32.760 talking today about two of my favorite subjects, government secrets 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:38.280 and the search for psychic powers or just fringe science. Right, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.840 we're fans of that, Yes, anything on the fringe. You 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.000 and I grew up loving The X Files, loving Twilight Zone, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.280 Outer Limits. Yeah, we even sat through a couple of 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.679 the downer seasons of Fringe. Yeah it happened, it was. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.440 I'm on the fifth season, by the way, you should know. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.000 How are you still watching it? Yeah? I kin't finished it. Okay, well, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.280 please don't spoil it. I won't tell me. Hey, you 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.639 know what, the writers did a good, good enough job 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:13.359 spoiling fresh help. Don't tell me that. Oh no, I'm kidding. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:18.359 It's it's one man's opinion. But when we are talking 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:23.240 about these things, we naturally go to one of the 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.240 coolest subjects we've talked about in a while, which was 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.600 the Soviet version of m k Ultra. I mean, that's 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.240 what we called on the show, right, Yeah, Well, it's 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.720 also the Soviet version of Project Stargate. Yeah, it's it's 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.800 got a lot of similarities to the weirdness that our 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.800 own the US government was doing. Now, what was Project Stargate. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.840 Project Stargate was basically, again trying to make psychic soldiers 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.040 in the US, trying to figure out a way to 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.280 unlock this weird mind body connection that was considered pseudoscience 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.360 by even a lot of people who were doing it. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.360 But but they wanted to make sure that it wasn't real, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.200 you know, So that perhaps we talked about in the 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.280 episode that if if it is real and we just 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.920 aren't spending the money to research it and one of 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.800 our enemies does, then we're in a whole heap of trouble. Yeah, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.480 And when we when we're talking about psychic powers, I 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.640 don't know about you, guys, I like specifics. We're specifically 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.880 talking about UM. One of one of the biggest things 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.000 they researched on the u S side was out of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.640 body experience. Is it possible to train people to train 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:35.600 soldiers or intelligence operatives to travel remotely and to somehow 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:41.960 perceive things thousands of kilometers away? Yeah, remote viewing man, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.599 that was one of the biggest pushes. Yeah, that's the 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.719 term remote viewing. Ingo Swan one of the biggest guys 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.320 in this UM and I used to when I was 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.120 a kid. I had those Time Life mystery books that 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.240 talked about Ingo Swan at length. And it's interesting because 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.440 Swan maintains that he really has a legitimate ability to 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.960 do this, and other people have worked with him have 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.160 argued the same thing, but not all of them, And 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.360 quite a few people have said, well, the reason that 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:17.480 this was shut down is because ultimately we just found 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.320 out that there was no real ability to do this, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.520 or that even if this ability existed, it was not 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.240 applicable or useful. Yeah, and it wasn't accurate enough, right, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.159 which is kind of what UM sony was. It Sony 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.159 kind of Sony said, when they shut down, there's their 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.279 ESP program. Yep, true story, you guys, Sony had an 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.480 ESP program. That's the story for another day, and they 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.600 used it in in all of their CD technologies. As 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.680 we see, it's crazy it actually says ESP on there 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.440 you remember that having that No, that's perfect. Yeah, it's 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.800 a good point because it's it's uh, it's range. We 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.080 that's one of the things that you and I didn't 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.840 believe when we first started reading it. We were convinced 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.680 that ESP stood for some other acronym, you know, like 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:18.800 Electronic Sound provider or something like that. Yeah, but this 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.480 this one was a real ESP program, and the US 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:27.080 of course had them as well. Uh, the Soviet ideas 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.240 were very different. Um. Now, a lot of this that 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.880 comes to us comes from recently to classify documents, and 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:41.120 they are just the the tip of a red iceberg here. Huh. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.240 I know, but they are. I just I wrote it 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.719 down earlier, so I wanted to try it out. But 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.560 these these programs, um if the information we're getting can 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:56.120 be trusted, began in nineteen seventeen, which is the year 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.200 of the Russian Revolution, so it predates the US US 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.920 are and that's interesting to continue to two thousand three officially, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.239 which is even more interesting to me. And they did 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.440 research in a different way. Their research was meant to 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:19.720 be a little more quantitative rather than qualitative, right, so 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.040 they measured the UM. They they wanted to walk away 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:30.160 with concrete numbers and compare and compile and analyze, uh, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.800 these pieces of data so that they could figure out 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.200 if there was really something going on. And a lot 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.600 of their experiments focused not so much on remote viewing 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:47.840 as they did on UM. The idea of electro magnetic 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.200 or electrochemical fields. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That it's that that 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.960 free energy that's been searched for since we figure since 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.400 man has figured out that there is energy or there's 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.000 some kind of ectricity or power that you can harness 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.480 in the environment, and there's so many people who have 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.040 looked for it and failed to find it, at least 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:15.560 in my opinion, Tesla arguing, yeah, and uh, we we 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:20.000 know that the we know that the governments of the 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.880 time in the USSR was on board with a lot 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.960 of this stuff. And you can see some fascinating photographs 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.080 of devices that people have built with the idea that 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:35.120 they would harness this energy through things called serpan um 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.920 strange looking things. They look like thermos is almost Yeah. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.280 They handles their cylindrical with these handles, don't know. Some 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.679 of them were strapped two people. Some of them were 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:51.400 simply held, uh. The idea being that if all living 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:57.440 things emanate this field in some way, then we could 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:03.199 build something that would aggregate and apply or direct this energy. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.680 And they were directing it with the with the hope 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:13.600 of doing things like, um, having plants grow faster was one. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:22.599 Producing neurological effects, so having someone's brain function be affected 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.319 in some way, which is frighteningly vague. Yeah, I know, yeah, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.360 oh man, but that that would be great if you 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:34.400 could somehow really send out in an enhancing intelligence ray 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.040 with some device that was strapped onto you. I guess 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.000 you need a group of people and if it worked 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.960 the way they thought it would work, right, Yeah, they 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.839 did think it was a cumulative effect. Um. But they 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.040 also they also focused on you know, this was one 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.280 of their most interesting areas of focus and something that 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.240 the US wasn't really focused on. They also used these 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.560 torsion generators. We do have to point out that the Russians, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.560 or rather the Soviets at this time did have UH 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.800 psychics that they would conduct tests on, and those tests 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.360 would be some of the same stuff we hear in 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.960 the United States, you know. Uh, the idea of whether 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.320 or not clairvoyance existed, which was not proven satisfactorily. The 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.040 idea whether or not there would be UM an ability 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.120 to predict the future. It's also not proven very well. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.720 Uh telekinesis, which as much as I wanted to be real, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.719 was not proven. Um. Again, if you believe that any 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.480 of those things truly are real right now listening to 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.880 this podcast, um. And I don't mean to sound like 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.480 an extreme skeptic, because I'm certainly not. As soon as 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.079 I have evidence that shows me that any of those 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.400 things are real, I'm down because I I want to believe, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.839 just like the old X Files. But you should really 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.080 talk to or listen to James Randy because the guy 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.480 makes some really great points just about how he's offering 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.320 craploads of money to anybody that can prove this stuff. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.520 Oh that's right, Yes, the famous one million dollars for 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:07.520 proof of any UH psychic, parapsychological or paranormal phenomenon by 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.880 James Randy and it's a little bit controversial. In fact, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.480 I'd like to do a podcast on that maybe in 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:18.600 the future. I'm gonna be totally honest with you, though 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.360 this is a part where we might differ. I think 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.600 that it is quite possible that in the future we 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:31.120 will come to understand a scientific explanation or what we 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.320 perceive um occasionally to be psychic powers. I don't know 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.600 what I don't. I don't think somebody's gonna go, oh, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.520 telekinesis is real and we just discovered it in I 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.120 think that's preposterous, but could be some kind of fourth 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:51.760 dimensional time distortion. Right. We understand so little about the 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:57.760 nature of consciousness, the nature of physics, especially at a 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.600 very small and very large level that we are we 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.000 we don't even we don't even have gravity figured out. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.719 I mean, if you think about the potential span of 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.320 human history, my friend, we are still in the dark ages. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.720 So I think I'm gonna be a little more optimistic 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.920 about it. We don't we don't have the tools yet 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.960 to discover the explanations behind a lot of these things 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.400 UM or the explanations behind a lot of these reports. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.280 We do know that there are quite a few mundane 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.960 things that can explain stuff like the feeling of deja 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.240 vu has a fairly there's a fairly solid theory of 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.640 what happens in our brain that makes us perceive that. Right. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.319 They didn't have this when they were doing a lot 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.120 of these Cold War experiments, right, and Uh, they had 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.400 some enemies. We talked about the Academy of Russian Scientists 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.240 hated these programs because they, you know, this was centralized funding. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.400 So they said, you government are taking funding for real 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:06.839 science and applying it to pseudo science. Right. But there's 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.520 a I think there was a bit of cynicism in 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.600 some of these programs. We do know that the Soviets 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.200 also sent people to uh Shangra Law to out to 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:22.679 search the the steps and and uh comb through Tibet 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.960 for um. I think propaganda purposes more than anything else. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.840 I don't think they were really out to discover some 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.560 ancient secrets so much as they were to discover some 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.040 brilliant marketing. Yeah. That would have been just a little 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.520 icing on the cake if they had actually discovered something crazy. Yeah, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:44.240 And there's an interesting part here when we talk about this, uh, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.480 when we talk about what they did discover, because here's 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.200 the weird part. We don't know, I don't have any idea, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.160 isn't that always? Man? That is the case so often 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.240 with us, just because we there's so much information that's 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.520 withheld uh from everyone that we kind of get up 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.280 against this wall. And just for if you're a new 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.520 listener perhaps to the show, we really trying to not 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:14.240 speculate as much as give you the information that is 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.440 there and then you know, go maybe a couple inches 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.360 over that line, just to let you know what we think. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.000 There's uh yeah. And in this respect, there are some 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:28.480 things that we can say about Russian UM or Soviet 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.800 research in these fields. We know that, for instance, we 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.000 know that both a former defense minister and uh Putin 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:41.440 himself have talked about the future of unconventional weapons. We 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.920 also know that in the West research on these directed 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.880 energy weapons UH is occurring. We know that the technology 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.240 exists to give people the sensation that they are hearing voices, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.000 which is freaky, right. You have me to that one 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.560 man that gives me not We we know it's it's 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:08.280 fairly obvious that the actual bleeding edge or cutting edge 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.680 of technology is several years at minimum ahead of what 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.240 the public thinks it is. Like one of the latest 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.320 revelations that just came out, which will be a few 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.360 weeks old now when this publishes, which we posted to 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.600 our Facebook earlier today, was that the n s A 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.000 doesn't need an Internet connection to hack a computer anymore. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.920 It just needs a radio signal, just needs a radio 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.640 wave and a little gadget about the size of a 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.400 briefcase that some unsuspecting dude is carrying around. Oh but 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:41.320 don't worry, it's not in the United States, right, Sorry 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.880 everybody else. Yeah, but the but the point we're making 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.960 is that it is completely possible that some of this 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:57.920 fringe research into really crazy stuff lead to applicable results. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.800 I like the comparison. I wanted to ask you what 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.320 you about this comparison met um so in alchemy right 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:08.080 way back in the dark ages, right them the weird 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:14.440 hippie uh cultish father of chemistry, alchemy, people were conducting 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.720 experiments to see what would happen to try to create 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:23.200 life with a homolocus or it might pronounce that yes, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:30.240 and trying to explain magic in some ways, trying to 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.480 change everything into gold and all that kind of stuff. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:39.680 Um And in most cases these alchemists did not discover 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.320 what they thought they were discovering, but they discovered other 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.760 things because they were curious and they didn't mind getting 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.560 their hands a little dirty and gold leafed. Right. No, really, Ben, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.600 we really just need more curiosity, I think, yeah, exactly. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.440 So they discovered things not necessarily what they meant to discover, 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.239 but they did find valuable innovations because they were curious 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.240 and they were attempting to be methodical. I think the 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.160 same thing could happen here. I mean, history is lousy 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:16.320 with examples of people who accidentally discovered something while they 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.879 were doing something else, Like the guy who invented the 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.080 microwave didn't mean to cook food with it. That chocolate 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:28.520 bar just melted. Yeah, exactly. And we have just a 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.479 small inkling of what is actually being discovered. And we 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.000 know we bring up the active denial system right in 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.760 in our video and uh, it's it's freaky, it's a 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:47.440 pain ray. Uh. We still don't know what Russia might 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:52.600 have on the other side. And it's strange that governments 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:58.919 could change but the same documents would remain classified, isn't it. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.879 And essentially it's so weird to me the idea that 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.959 a government would change, but your your armed forces are 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.719 going to be fairly similar unless they're involved in whatever 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.760 whatever uprising occurs to change the government if an uprising occurs. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.080 So if the KGB just took over, yeah, it's really 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.919 interesting with thinking about Sorry, my brain just went somewhere 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:27.040 completely different, but just the changing of guard between different governments. Um, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.879 how much of that underlying research or that underlying UM 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.920 technology would still exist? And I would say that it 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.720 probably would. Oh yeah, we well we know that, uh, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.320 we know that in the case of nuclear technology, um, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:48.280 there were proliferating nukes and know how that we're spreading 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.960 around as NATO and Russia self work to stop the 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:59.000 transmission of those UM worked finger quotes stop finger quotes, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.080 but you know they made the plight noises. We wanted 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.800 to let everybody know that there's a there's this great 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.040 document that we read Unconventional Research in USS are in 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.600 Russia A short overview. It's free online right now. You 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.359 can just go and google it. The author's name is 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:22.040 Serge Kernbach, that's S. E. R G E. And in 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.840 this document you will find a list of the stuff 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.119 that we know they tried, a list of the funding 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.359 and some of the notable scientists. Um, that's where the 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.560 rabbit hole begins. That's the ground surface. You can find 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.199 much more interesting stuff in. My favorite part about that 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.879 article are the pictures. Yeah, because that's what I deal with, 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:45.399 and I was able to use a bunch of them 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.560 in our episode. Yeah. But we're able to find the 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.320 serpan exactly. Um, And we want your thoughts on this. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.879 Do you think that government's continue psychic research? Do you 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.560 think it was a big financial boom doggle and people 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.440 are just paranoid. Do you think that you have evidence 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.600 of psychic powers? Because if it checks out, we'll hope 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:12.119 you win that million dollars. Um. But what we should 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.040 also put up a link on our on our website 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.920 that has uh has some more information about the James 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.560 Randy Prize. I have a blog post about it from earlier, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.600 so you can check it out there. Um. And the 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:26.879 very last thing I have to do, Matt, could I 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:35.520 read you some listener mail? Oh? Please do? He says, Hey, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.880 Ben and Matt, my name's Hugh. First off, I want 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.600 to thank you for providing a superlative source of irudition 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.480 regarding stuff they don't want you to know, nice prodigious 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.320 appropriation for the wide range of topics addressed, as well 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:52.640 as the obvious in depth research conducted. Uh that was interesting. Well, yeah, 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.960 thanks for stepping it up vocabulary wise, there are you. Secondly, 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.040 I wonder if you'd be interested in covering their knowing 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.840 complicity IBM played in the nihilation of millions of Nazi 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.320 concentration camp prisoners during World War Two. Now, this is 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.000 something that you and I have talked about before, right Matt, Yes, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.520 yes we have, and uh, it's a It's another one 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.480 of those heavy subjects. But I'm interested as much as 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.679 you is. I'd like to tackle it as well. I 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.680 think it's a great suggestion. Hugh calls it a slam 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.359 dunk topic at the risk of being bromtic, and he's 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:32.280 got some great citations here about books written UH many 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.359 by Edwin Black Um. One that might be interesting to 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.000 you listeners out there IBM in the holocaust of the 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:42.359 strategic alliance between Nazi Germany America's most powerful corporation. Now, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.560 one thing that we do know about this is that 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:51.240 the um the role of private corporations in the rise 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.880 of the Nazi Party is an ugly part of history. 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.840 That is also completely true. Also, though there were merit, 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:02.080 there were American sympathizers with the Nazi Party who weren't 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.600 just in in um highly placed influential positions of corporations, 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.840 but we're also active politicians with popular support. UM. Now, 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.959 of course, to be completely fair, in many cases, especially 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.160 a lot of politicians cases, they had no idea what 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.280 the Nazi Party was going to become and later go 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.119 on to do. But this is an interesting topic and 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.960 we love digging into the historical stuff. They don't want 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.440 you to know. How what do you think, mat should 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.200 we check it out? I think we we should. And 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.760 we're coming right off the heels of talking about the 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:39.840 eugenics programs that some Americans, with the help of some 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:44.160 moneyed interests like basically set up in parts of Europe, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:48.280 including Germany. Oh yeah, that's an interesting detail. For everyone 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.240 who hasn't seen our introduction video on eugenics in America, 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.720 wole nice, I can't think of a better way to 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.080 uh in this show here. Please check us out on iTunes. 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.280 If you listen to to our podcast via iTunes, help 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.720 us out and give us a rating if you're feeling charitable. 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:11.320 Uh so that we can continue doing this podcast as 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.040 well as our video show Matt. 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