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Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. Hey, y'all, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to take a moment to join you for a brief

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Speaker 1: update on the gilgle Beach murders. I'm joined here with

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Speaker 1: my buddy Dave mac Dave. There's been a couple of

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Speaker 1: interesting developments overnight, and I'm talking about overnight from Monday night,

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Speaker 1: July seventeenth until this point. We're taping this on the eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the police and other agencies have descended upon a

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Speaker 1: couple of storage units that are owned or rented by

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Speaker 1: the suspect in this particular case. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about that?

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Speaker 2: When police began the investigation in direct human they of

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Speaker 2: course went to his house and we've been told that

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Speaker 2: it's a cluttered mess. We've been told that they're looking

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Speaker 2: for everything from the small DNA to the big laptop.

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Speaker 2: Reason I point that out is at this house of

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Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, downstairs in the basement there is a locked

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Speaker 2: in that locked room. I think we figured out it

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Speaker 2: probably is guns of some sort. The man has ninety

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Speaker 2: two gun permits. But more shocking than the mess, more

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Speaker 2: shocking than a life sized doll being found in a

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Speaker 2: glass cabinet inside his house more shocking than the man

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Speaker 2: having a locked room in his basement. He had two,

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Speaker 2: at least two. I say at least because there might

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Speaker 2: be more. Two different storage facilities. One was in Amityville.

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Speaker 2: I say that because when they opened it, they being authorities,

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Speaker 2: went and started searching. There wasn't a lot made out

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Speaker 2: of except the guy has a storage unit. They're going

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Speaker 2: to search it. They're looking for trophies, They're looking for

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Speaker 2: anything that connects him Rex Huerman to any of the victims.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the media started going crazy because

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Speaker 2: they authorities were looking at another storage facility. But this time,

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Speaker 2: as they headed to the second storage facility, I say

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Speaker 2: they meaning the media and law enforcement, there was a

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Speaker 2: different take on this particular storage facility. Tarps were hung

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Speaker 2: up to prevent the media from seeing what they were getting.

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Speaker 2: That brought about a lot of discussions of what do

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Speaker 2: to find? Well, when the medical examiner showed up, that's

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Speaker 2: when I asked Joe Scott Morgan, what are they looking for? Joe?

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Speaker 2: Does the medical examiner come out and look with the

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Speaker 2: police when they're just looking for evidence.

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Speaker 1: They're Long Island, New York. They're not in New York City,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like with the Chief Medical Examiner's Office

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Speaker 1: They're out in the urbs at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like you want them on station just

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Speaker 1: has to be some kind of inklean perhaps that they're

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Speaker 1: time when police summon folks in my field, the medical

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Speaker 1: legal field, out to a location, a scene, they have

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Speaker 1: And if we do have a body, how are we

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it doesn't happen. It's just not what

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Speaker 2: So in this particular case where police searched one of

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Speaker 2: the Omega Lockers storage lockers and didn't have the ime,

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Speaker 2: they had a second locker unit, and they did want

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Speaker 2: the emmy. What could have possibly happened to change the

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Speaker 1: That's hard to say, David, It truly is. It could

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Speaker 1: They're working a case involving an accused individual. He's been

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Speaker 1: think what they're dealing with, Dave, is scale here. When

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Speaker 2: He's been charged with three, and he's suspected in a fourth.

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Speaker 2: But that's it. Yeah, that's it. At this point, this

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Speaker 1: A pack rat. It's a daunting task anyway, because you're

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you pointed out that he was training the dog,

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Speaker 2: But Joe, I'm curious as to you've been around this

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Speaker 1: Probably BTK. He was on the upswing to perpetrate again,

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Speaker 1: They hunt in areas that they know most of the time.

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Speaker 1: But yet you look at who we covered nuts long ago, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Is that what the police are thinking at this point

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Speaker 1: storage unit that he has, anything in that home, including

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Speaker 1: the deep freeze that they removed that I saw images

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Speaker 1: going down the road on the back of a flatbed

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Speaker 1: truck wrapped up, everything has evidentiary value.

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Speaker 2: It is going to be a very fluid investigation that

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Speaker 2: is going to be played out in front of the media.

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Speaker 1: It will be and everything that happens, and listen, this

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Speaker 1: is what my hope is for this case. The home,

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Speaker 1: the domicile. I hope that they hold onto it tightly

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Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, in their examination. I

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Speaker 1: hope they take that damn place down to the studs.

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Speaker 1: I hope that everything is a look through. You know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the room that was locked up downstairs that

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Speaker 1: no one had access to. Okay, he owns weapons. I

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Speaker 1: understand that maybe he's just trying to protect them. He's

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Speaker 1: keeping them safe. What occupies these spaces in which he

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Speaker 1: dwelled Because my biggest area of interest here is are

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Speaker 1: there any souvenirs? And I mean that in the most

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Speaker 1: ominous way I possibly can was anything retained and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to be an anatomical element. It can

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Speaker 1: be a piece of clothing, It can be photographs. There

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Speaker 1: are serial killers that have taken photographs of their victims.

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Speaker 1: There are serial killers that have taken photographs of themselves

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Speaker 1: with their victims. Does he have any location that he

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Speaker 1: may have rat holed any of this stuff back so

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Speaker 1: that he could go back and relive these fantasies, you know,

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Speaker 1: take himself back in time to those moments where he

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Speaker 1: received this level of satisfaction that maybe he couldn't obtain

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Speaker 1: or attain anywhere else in his life. This was his

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Speaker 1: conduit to pleasure. Like I said, he's only been charged,

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Speaker 1: he has not been convicted at this time. I'm Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body backs assass