WEBVTT - You're Using Your Standing Desk Wrong 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.880 Sitting at your desk is ruining your back, Your screen 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:11.200 is destroying your eyes. The air conditioning you breathe in 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:15.600 is slowly poisoning you. Everything at your job that's killing 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:32.120 you tonight at eleven. Just kidding, but this is game plan. Hi. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.080 I'm Francesco Lead and I'm Rebecca Greenfield, and today we 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.519 are talking about how bad for you it is to 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.639 have a job. Basically. Okay, I went a little over 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.880 the top of that introduction, but for years now, it 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.520 feels like we've been reading things that tell us all 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.000 of the ways that work is unhealthy for us. Yeah, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.800 there are literally news articles that say your office is 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.840 killing you, right, so it should we count the ways. Yes, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.600 let's start with sitting. Sitting is the ultimate, Sitting is 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.920 the new smoking. I've heard, Oh my goodness, it's so 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.560 bad for you. Basically, every minute you sit, you're a 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.080 year closer to death. So we obviously should get up 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.960 right now, I think we need to end this podcast. Yeah, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.480 I've heard that setting is really bad for you, because 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.360 being sedentary is bad for you and it's bad for 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.479 your posture. Yeah, I think it causes spinal issues and 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.720 it is like causes irreparable harm to your health, and 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.520 I can't even sitting is just universally agreed to be 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.680 like the worst thing you could possibly do. So not 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.560 only is sitting bad for you, but then staring at 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.760 a screen all day is bad for you. And I 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.399 have personal experience with us because my eye doctor told 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.479 me that I am not blinking enough because of a screen. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.480 Because of a screen. That's so sad. It's so sad. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.480 And the solution is not for me to blink more, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.480 because really, I mean it is, but I can't just 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.040 like blink more because it's like hundreds of times. You know, 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.760 you could get it. You could put a reminder on 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.920 your phone a couple of seconds that wouldn't be disruptive 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.040 to my work day at all. Hey you gotta blink? No, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.000 I'm just on this insane I drop regimen. Wow, So 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.440 your screen is so dangerous for you that you actually 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.600 need to be medicated. Um. And then there's office air quality. Okay, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.280 how is the air killing us? There was actually some 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.679 research that found that office air quality is hurting productivity, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.760 which I think is something that is another thing about 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.160 these problems. It's not just that they're killing us, they're 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.920 also making us horrible at our jobs. Right, there's the 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:35.120 health issue, which companies want to solve because if their 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.120 employees are getting sick, they're calling in sick and they're 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.000 not doing as much work. And then there's the ways 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.919 that your positioned at your desk that are making you 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.079 less productive, which is also costing a company's money. Right, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.760 So companies have incentives to make all this better, and 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.880 they invest a lot of money and time into different 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.560 ways to do this. Right, there's all of this research 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.640 and money that has gone into hacking the office for fitness. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.600 Um some things I've heard about our making a stairwell 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.800 really beautiful and appealing so that people will just want 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.600 to take the stairs intenttive instead of using an elevator. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:16.440 So here's a more uh behavioral economics version of that. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.200 But at um Gensler, the design office design firm, they 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.080 have a brand new office in Midtown Manhattan, and so 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.320 they have all the latest and greatest in office hacks, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.600 and they put different types of coffee on each floor 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.840 so that if you work on the third floor and 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.679 you want a cappuccino, you might have to go down 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.440 to the second floor. So not only are you walking more, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.840 but You also might run into somebody that you wouldn't 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.000 necessarily see and think of the next great idea. Itselves 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.160 a multitude of problems. Do you think there are people 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.880 there that have just changed their coffee preference based on 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.000 what floor they sit on? I mean I would do that, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.320 but I am I'm lazy. I care enough about the 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.320 coffee I drink that I might actually travel a couple 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.240 of floors for the right kind. Yeah. Um, they've also 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.400 at Gunsler done something that we have here with is 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.960 no garbage cans at individual desks. You have to walk 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.280 to a garbage which not only makes you walk more, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.600 but also makes the office smell less bad. I mean, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.520 I I've been experiencing the lack of a garbage can 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.280 it my desk, and I can say it's certainly inconvenient. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.560 Can I can I confess something though? There's a garbage 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.320 can across the aisle for me, the nearest garbage can, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.000 and I can roll to it in my chair. People, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:33.480 I'm winning. They can't hack my fitness, so on the 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:39.520 whole a smelling bad thing. There's also at Canceler, the office, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.440 I swear to you, smells so clean because the air 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.359 is perfumed. No well one the garbage can thing, and 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.159 then too they put something in their ventilation system to 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.120 purify it, and I swear it smells different. It really 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.960 does smell good. I believe you. I am fantasizing about 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:58.640 being there, and I don't even know what it would 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.880 smell like. But we're not talking about the ultimate hack 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.000 that I feel like is the most widespread and accepted, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.760 which is the standing desk. We've heard so much about 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.960 standing desks I think of the last five years from 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.520 evangelists who swear it makes them more productive, and also 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.120 you can burn calories while doing it. Right, if sitting 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.320 is bad for you, then standing must be good for you, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.760 unless it isn't. You can't have a craze without a backlash. Yeah, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.960 there was a study of studies basically compiling all of 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.400 the research that's been done on standing desks that shows 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.000 the results are really inconclusive, Like there isn't actually much 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:39.200 science based evidence that standing up is better for you 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.920 than sitting and you're burning a negligible amount of calories, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.320 and that if you stand for for prolonged periods that 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.279 can actually be bad for you. You can get enlarged veins, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.479 no want that. Should we just give up and sit down? 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.320 I mean, at this point, I'm ready to just curl 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.320 up and go to sleep. I mean, if sitting is 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.159 bad for you, but standing also has improved and to 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.240 necessarily be better for you, Like, how do we save 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.440 our own lives? Thank goodness, we have a guest here 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:15.880 today to help us sort it all out. Dr Mark 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.279 Bendon is director of the Ergonomic Center at Texas A 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.599 and M University, where he has done all kinds of 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.520 research on how to make your workplace healthier, including sedentary 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:37.800 behavior intervention and lots of studies about how standing desks work. Mark, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.880 great to have you. Thank you for being here. It's great. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.120 Let's start by talking about, um, what do you what 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.200 would you say most people do wrong when it comes 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.120 to sitting at their desk and working being at their desk. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.320 I think that's a great question. We we hate to 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.720 kind of point the finger at people and say wrong, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.440 but unfortunately the research is showing that our biggest challenge 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.200 in the office today is a lack of movement. So uh, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.760 not being physically active during the course of the day. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.080 It's just it's just really easy to get into some 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.760 of the great ergonomic chairs that we have. You know, 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.520 they're very comfortable, they're very contour, they fit our bodies well, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.200 so it's easy to kind of sit in those and 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.040 and not move except for you know, lunch and bio breaks, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.480 and that's just too long for us to be still. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.520 So what our research focuses on is trying to find 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.080 creative ways to help people to get up and get 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.200 moving and kind of get that whole body activity throughout 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.160 the day in the office that we've we've lost over 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.040 the last twenty years. So it sounds like moving is 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.800 the answer. Does that mean that standing all day also 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.200 isn't the answer? Absolutely? Yeah, we really try to. I 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.760 mean I even try to avoid the word, you know, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.640 sitting as much as I try to avoid the word standing, 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.160 because that's really not what we're after. We're after the movement. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.560 So um, active sitting or active standing, I think that's 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.680 that's okay. There's moving around by walking right, just and 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.760 a balambulation. Um. We encourage anything that has to do 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.880 with changing position, changing posture. Moving. People ask me often, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.360 you know, hey, so just tell me what's my best 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.800 position to be in? And I always tell them, you, look, 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.080 the best position you can be in is the next one, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.640 and you know it just it just shows that it's 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.760 really not about a position or a posture. It's more 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.320 about changing positions, changing postures. So even ones that are 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.600 a little odd, and we wouldn't necessarily encourage, like, for instance, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.120 sitting on one of your feet, Um, if you do 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.720 that for a short period of time, it's really not 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.480 a big deal. We just wouldn't want you to do 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.120 that for hours. And the same thing was sitting still 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.600 or standing still, We wouldn't want you to do those 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.559 for hours on end because there are other negative health 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.120 effects that can come from those. Can you tell me 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.880 before we get into how to best move around most 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.200 in the workplace, what are some of the benefits of 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.240 moving around? Sure, the biggest thing we see is that 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.679 when you engage the large skeletal muscles that hold us 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.120 up right, that that allows us to move and ambulate. Um. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.680 Those large trunk muscles will basically provide a way for 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:08.040 the body to filter out toxins and replenish nutrients and 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.559 take away lactic acid. Um. We also see a really 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.800 strong body and brain connection. So what that means is 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.520 that you know, there's a certainly cognitive level that we're 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.839 all capable of performing at and to be at our best, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.679 to be at our most alert, our most reactive or 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.280 most attentive, um, we need to have a little bit 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.920 of body movement. We need to engage our body. And 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.880 so when we're lethargic and sedentary and we sit still 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.319 for long periods of time, the blood pools are glucose 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.880 cycles dip, we we really do start to kind of 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:46.080 get into a stupor. And when that happens, unfortunately we're 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.160 not at our at our peak. We're not at our 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.680 top performance, and so being able to get up and 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.000 move around just encourages that better blood flow to the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.560 brain and to the rest of the body, all of 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.200 our organs um, we're able to have better respirations. And again, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.360 our our reaction time are are thinking. We do think 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.000 better on our feet than on our seat, and so 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.720 getting us up and getting us moving is is just critical. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.040 It seems like a lot of people have taken that advice, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.000 the advice not to sit to mean stand. You know, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.000 the standing desks have really taken off. Do you do 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.680 you feel like we've gone overboard with the standing desk? Well, okay, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.120 let me clarify that I think that's the wrong message 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.560 because I worry about people who might take it to 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.640 the extreme and stand still, flatfooted for eight hours. So 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.120 yes to part of your question. Um. The other piece 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.000 of that, though, is, so here's the reality. Um, We're 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.240 not at any danger. And here's why I know that, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.920 because we are currently evaluating thousands of workers who have 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.160 electrics at stand desks, and they are not over using 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.680 those desks. Fact we find, unfortunately that a lot of 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.560 the workers are hardly using the standing feature at all. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.000 So I understand and of course agree with the concern 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.920 that we would have people suddenly standing for eight hours. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.760 The reality is they're not doing that. I think. Again, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:13.520 the mix is the big thing, So that transitions changing movement. Um, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.439 if I sit, you know, for thirty minutes and then 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.920 I stand for fifteen minutes, and then I sit for 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.680 thirty minutes and I stand for fifteen minutes, Um, you know, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.560 that's a reasonable mix during the day. If I sit 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.079 for forty five minutes and stand for fifteen minutes, that's 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.200 a reasonable mix during the day. But again, I wouldn't 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.199 want to stand for two hours at a time without 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.840 changing posture, or sit for two hours at a time 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.079 without getting up and moving around. So the variety is 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.760 what we're after, and we think we've got some new 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.960 ways to help people to prompt them, to remind them, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.120 to encourage them, um, to get up and move around. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.400 And so some of the real recent research, the ones 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.760 that are still ongoing right now, we're doing that through 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.319 behavioral prompts with the computer. Can you tell us a 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.120 little more about that research, sure, So we're working with 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.080 a couple of different companies to combine monitoring of the 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.160 human and monitoring of some of their bio markers, and 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.280 monitoring of the electric deaths, so where are they at 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.079 in space? Are they at a seated position or a 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.920 standing position? And then monitoring of the person's computer, mouse 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.520 and keyboard. So all of those things kind of combined together. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.240 There's individual companies working on each of those. We're sort 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.920 of pulling all of that data together and trying to 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.160 look at it, uh, you know, as a unit and 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.280 understanding what's going on with people and how they react 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.640 and respond and how they're different, for instance, in the 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.680 morning when they first come in when they're fresh, versus 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.280 in the afternoon when they're starting to get fatigued. Um. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.800 Understanding what might work well for one person. Um, perhaps 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.720 you like a simple computer prompt that pops up on 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.959 your screen and then it does that occasionally throughout the day, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.440 and you can kind of control how often that happens. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.840 Someone else might like a more I'll just say allowed 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.439 imagine a drill sergeant kind of screaming at you through 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.960 your screen. They might prefer that that might be what 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.920 it takes to kind of get them going instead of 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.920 a gentle nudge like you would get from a close friend. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.400 So there's lots of different ways to encourage people. Another 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.439 one we're working on right now is gamifying this process. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.360 So the nice thing about that is that it would 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.480 allow an office complex of workers to compete against another 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.880 office complex, and so on a dashboard you would see 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.720 data about your team versus the other team, and it 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.079 would be things related to this whole idea of movement 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.480 and activity. Uh, we could even tie in, for instance, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.480 the number of steps that the team is taking throughout 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.160 the day. Sometimes the team sport is an easier way 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.480 to participate rather than trying to do this all on 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.240 your own, by yourself, just through you know, your own prompting. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.719 So let me get this straight. There are sensors on 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.280 people's chairs and mice and keyboards and desks to track 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.560 if they're sitting and standing, right, So all of these things. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.720 If you if you've read much recently about the Internet 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.480 of things, as we're connecting, you know, basically putting a 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.160 chip in so many different pieces of hardware, how do 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.560 we tie those things together? Because what's happening right now 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.800 is we're suddenly getting a lot of data. Right We're 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.280 getting data from all kinds of different um sensors every 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.880 second of every day. So many of them are just 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.280 you know, off the shelf, something you might think of, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.880 like a fitbit for instance. And so you know, what 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.400 do we do with that data or really encourage healthier behaviors? 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.479 And and probably most important right now is to sustain 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.800 uh those healthy behaviors. If you've ever seen the jim, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.480 you know, the first week of January and and then 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.640 unfortunately about sixty days later, you'll you'll know what I'm 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.560 talking about. There's certainly a phenomena right around everybody getting 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.360 excited about something and wanting to make a change and 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.360 change their behaviors. But it is hard with humans to 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.480 kind of sustain that and keep that going over time, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.440 and so that really right now is one of the 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.560 biggest things that we're trying to find ways to do 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.920 that creatively to keep those behaviors going well. I just 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.360 want to wrap up by asking you about what most 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.360 people should do. I mean, it's it's great to have 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.360 these advanced kind of desks, but it sounds like an 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.800 ideal world we wouldn't really be at a desk at 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.400 all for most of our day. But since most of 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.080 us are stuck there, what's the main takeaway from your 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.000 research about how how most people can kind of adjust? Sure, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.400 I think the nice thing today is we've got options, right, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.160 so more than more than in the past when we 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.880 first started developing. This whole issue of technology induced in activity, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.240 where the computers and mouse and keyboard kind of had 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.640 us tethered and tied. We're able to get up and 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.680 move around. Most of us are doing um things on 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.240 our smartphone, for instance, that that we can take with 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.880 us anywhere that we could only do at our workstations. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.840 There are PCs just five or ten years ago, so 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.800 I think the ability to work from multiple places on 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.880 the go is really changing what you think of his work. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.560 The next challenge for us, once we get people to 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.880 start moving more and working from different places, will be 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.720 how we regulate how much total work they do, because 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:19.520 I'm concerned that that may become troublesome for folks. Well, 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.160 thanks so much for coming on and talking to us. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:32.880 It was my pleasure. So Dr Bendon calmed me down 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.840 a little bit. I'm a little less concerned that we're 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.280 all guaranteed to die no matter what we do. It 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.960 seems like the main takeaway is sitting isn't great for 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.080 you all the time, standing isn't great for you all 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.800 the time, But really the most important thing is that 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.800 you move around a lot. Yeah. My dream for this 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.880 is to be able to just take a break in 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.600 the middle of the day to work out. That would 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.120 be so nice. Some people do it, but it's it's 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.040 hard to make the time. It's a luxury. And there 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.320 are coworking spaces that I've been to that have yoga 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.200 built in and that's part of the culture, so people 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.040 do it, and there are offices that have yoga and 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.560 boot camp in the middle of the day. Um, but 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.000 to me, it's a little weird to work out with 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.640 your coworkers. And also, I guess there's come back all sweaty. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.680 I mean, yeah, you can go somewhere with the gym, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.920 I mean with the shower and perhaps, but then there's 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.040 also that kind of icky thing where if your office 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.720 is offering you all these things, like you never leave work, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.080 but I still want it. I think it brings up 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.440 an interesting point though, that like your first thought goes 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.119 to finding a way to get away from work and 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.800 move around. I mean, ultimately, whatever you do to hack 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.240 your space. And you know, Dr Bennon was saying, we 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.000 can walk around where while we work because technology enables that. Really, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.520 Like you're going to move around the most if you're 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.680 not actually working. So I think that the best solution, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.280 if you have the option, is to do a little 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:05.240 less work and a little more working out. Yeah, and 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:11.960 with that, let's do half bake takes, happy fake takes. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.720 Before we get started with our half bake takes, we 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.440 have exciting news. We've been asking you now for a 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.040 few weeks to leave us a voicemail with your half 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.040 bag take, and you did. We have a listener half 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:29.240 baked take. Let's get started by hearing it. This is 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.080 Jeremy from New York. Five day work week, that's fine, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.560 don't change that. Plump days are fun. I guess three 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.879 day weekend and then when there's a holiday, you know, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.199 four day weekend. Uh, that's my half bake takes. Thanks. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.639 So I think our listener is arguing for eight day weeks. 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.040 I'm I'm down. I mean, it would probably take a 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:58.480 lot of legislation to completely reorient the the Gregorian calendar 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.720 as we know it. But I mean that's what makes 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.520 it a half big take. Yeah, you don't have to 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.119 think about the detail. I love it. Please keep sending 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.000 us your listener half big takes and we will play 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.040 them in the air as often as we can. Becca, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.280 what is this week's idea that you want on the 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.639 record that you haven't thought about that much? LinkedIn is 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.120 secretly the best social network, let's hear it. Social networks 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.960 give me a ton of social anxiety. Um, for all 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.960 different reasons. Like Instagram, I get weirded out because you like, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.240 get too many enough likes on your photos and you 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:36.040 feel bad if you don't. Um. Facebook, I mean, what's 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.320 even there to say about Facebook? Twitter? There's a lot 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.840 of like professional anxiety, and I always second guess the 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.800 thing I post. You can really go wrong on Twitter 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.240 if you make a slip and right like a bad joke. Yeah, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.119 but LinkedIn does not ask anything of me. LinkedIn, you know, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.840 I know exactly what to put on my profile where 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.359 I worked. Um, I will accept any request from any 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.760 friend because I don't put any thing on it. UM. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.800 I just find it to be like the lowest cost 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.159 social network for my emotions and my psyche. Do you 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.159 visit LinkedIn regularly? So I use it for reporting? I do? UM, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.800 I know that's very specific to my job. I know 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.120 that you can read articles on it. I don't know 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.000 how really to do that, but that's the thing. It 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.080 just is like the office place of social networks, right Like, 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.000 it's very superficial relationships with people who I'm like tangentially 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.600 connected to nobody's being like too real. We all keep 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.879 it a little bit at bay like I'm into LinkedIn. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.560 I like it well. Full full disclosure. I used to 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.600 work at LinkedIn, and I think there were product people 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.760 there that would be very pleased to hear you say 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.680 that you visit LinkedIn all the time. I didn't say 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.000 that that was I mean, full disclosure. This is not 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.280 a commercial for LinkedIn, So if you don't visit it. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.359 Do you visit it a lot? Like more than every 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.520 year too when you're thinking starting But yeah, I don't 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.680 use it for things. LinkedIn wants me to use that 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:03.439 fire probably I think they would just be happy that 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.639 you're that. I'm more than every few years. It just 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:12.679 has a utility and a purpose that the other ones don't. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.080 And also the other one stressed me out. Okay, low 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:21.760 stress LinkedIn Frantaska. What is your half opinion? Okay, as 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:27.280 we as we approached springtime and we slog through this winter, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:32.160 I have a have a winter related half, big take, um, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:38.360 which is that layering is excuse my language, bs. Go on. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.080 If you live in a cold climate and you are 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.240 layering to try and keep yourself warm, you're doing it wrong. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.520 Get yourself a puffy coat that is so warm that 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.919 you're basically wearing a blanket everywhere, and you could be 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.240 wearing a bikini underneath it and you'd still be warm. 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.840 And those coats cost a lot of money. But I 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.720 can tell you I have one. It is the best 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.800 investment I've ever made. I agree with you on investing 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.640 in really good warm clothing. Like I'm a huge fan 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.800 of having like the warmest everything, and it feels so good, 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.120 but I, oh, I still like layers. For me, it's 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.880 like you put a sweater on under a blazer under 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:19.879