Speaker 1: Sitting at your desk is ruining your back, Your screen
Speaker 1: is destroying your eyes. The air conditioning you breathe in
Speaker 1: is slowly poisoning you. Everything at your job that's killing
Speaker 1: you tonight at eleven. Just kidding, but this is game plan. Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm Francesco Lead and I'm Rebecca Greenfield, and today we
Speaker 1: are talking about how bad for you it is to
Speaker 1: have a job. Basically. Okay, I went a little over
Speaker 1: the top of that introduction, but for years now, it
Speaker 1: feels like we've been reading things that tell us all
Speaker 1: of the ways that work is unhealthy for us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are literally news articles that say your office is
Speaker 1: killing you, right, so it should we count the ways. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's start with sitting. Sitting is the ultimate, Sitting is
Speaker 1: the new smoking. I've heard, Oh my goodness, it's so
Speaker 1: bad for you. Basically, every minute you sit, you're a
Speaker 1: year closer to death. So we obviously should get up
Speaker 1: right now, I think we need to end this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard that setting is really bad for you, because
Speaker 1: being sedentary is bad for you and it's bad for
Speaker 1: your posture. Yeah, I think it causes spinal issues and
Speaker 1: it is like causes irreparable harm to your health, and
Speaker 1: I can't even sitting is just universally agreed to be
Speaker 1: like the worst thing you could possibly do. So not
Speaker 1: only is sitting bad for you, but then staring at
Speaker 1: a screen all day is bad for you. And I
Speaker 1: have personal experience with us because my eye doctor told
Speaker 1: me that I am not blinking enough because of a screen.
Speaker 1: Because of a screen. That's so sad. It's so sad.
Speaker 1: And the solution is not for me to blink more,
Speaker 1: because really, I mean it is, but I can't just
Speaker 1: like blink more because it's like hundreds of times. You know,
Speaker 1: you could get it. You could put a reminder on
Speaker 1: your phone a couple of seconds that wouldn't be disruptive
Speaker 1: to my work day at all. Hey you gotta blink? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just on this insane I drop regimen. Wow, So
Speaker 1: your screen is so dangerous for you that you actually
Speaker 1: need to be medicated. Um. And then there's office air quality. Okay,
Speaker 1: how is the air killing us? There was actually some
Speaker 1: research that found that office air quality is hurting productivity,
Speaker 1: which I think is something that is another thing about
Speaker 1: these problems. It's not just that they're killing us, they're
Speaker 1: also making us horrible at our jobs. Right, there's the
Speaker 1: health issue, which companies want to solve because if their
Speaker 1: employees are getting sick, they're calling in sick and they're
Speaker 1: not doing as much work. And then there's the ways
Speaker 1: that your positioned at your desk that are making you
Speaker 1: less productive, which is also costing a company's money. Right,
Speaker 1: So companies have incentives to make all this better, and
Speaker 1: they invest a lot of money and time into different
Speaker 1: ways to do this. Right, there's all of this research
Speaker 1: and money that has gone into hacking the office for fitness.
Speaker 1: Um some things I've heard about our making a stairwell
Speaker 1: really beautiful and appealing so that people will just want
Speaker 1: to take the stairs intenttive instead of using an elevator.
Speaker 1: So here's a more uh behavioral economics version of that.
Speaker 1: But at um Gensler, the design office design firm, they
Speaker 1: have a brand new office in Midtown Manhattan, and so
Speaker 1: they have all the latest and greatest in office hacks,
Speaker 1: and they put different types of coffee on each floor
Speaker 1: so that if you work on the third floor and
Speaker 1: you want a cappuccino, you might have to go down
Speaker 1: to the second floor. So not only are you walking more,
Speaker 1: but You also might run into somebody that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily see and think of the next great idea. Itselves
Speaker 1: a multitude of problems. Do you think there are people
Speaker 1: there that have just changed their coffee preference based on
Speaker 1: what floor they sit on? I mean I would do that,
Speaker 1: but I am I'm lazy. I care enough about the
Speaker 1: coffee I drink that I might actually travel a couple
Speaker 1: of floors for the right kind. Yeah. Um, they've also
Speaker 1: at Gunsler done something that we have here with is
Speaker 1: no garbage cans at individual desks. You have to walk
Speaker 1: to a garbage which not only makes you walk more,
Speaker 1: but also makes the office smell less bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I've been experiencing the lack of a garbage can
Speaker 1: it my desk, and I can say it's certainly inconvenient.
Speaker 1: Can I can I confess something though? There's a garbage
Speaker 1: can across the aisle for me, the nearest garbage can,
Speaker 1: and I can roll to it in my chair. People,
Speaker 1: I'm winning. They can't hack my fitness, so on the
Speaker 1: whole a smelling bad thing. There's also at Canceler, the office,
Speaker 1: I swear to you, smells so clean because the air
Speaker 1: is perfumed. No well one the garbage can thing, and
Speaker 1: then too they put something in their ventilation system to
Speaker 1: purify it, and I swear it smells different. It really
Speaker 1: does smell good. I believe you. I am fantasizing about
Speaker 1: being there, and I don't even know what it would
Speaker 1: smell like. But we're not talking about the ultimate hack
Speaker 1: that I feel like is the most widespread and accepted,
Speaker 1: which is the standing desk. We've heard so much about
Speaker 1: standing desks I think of the last five years from
Speaker 1: evangelists who swear it makes them more productive, and also
Speaker 1: you can burn calories while doing it. Right, if sitting
Speaker 1: is bad for you, then standing must be good for you,
Speaker 1: unless it isn't. You can't have a craze without a backlash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a study of studies basically compiling all of
Speaker 1: the research that's been done on standing desks that shows
Speaker 1: the results are really inconclusive, Like there isn't actually much
Speaker 1: science based evidence that standing up is better for you
Speaker 1: than sitting and you're burning a negligible amount of calories,
Speaker 1: and that if you stand for for prolonged periods that
Speaker 1: can actually be bad for you. You can get enlarged veins,
Speaker 1: no want that. Should we just give up and sit down?
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, I'm ready to just curl
Speaker 1: up and go to sleep. I mean, if sitting is
Speaker 1: bad for you, but standing also has improved and to
Speaker 1: necessarily be better for you, Like, how do we save
Speaker 1: our own lives? Thank goodness, we have a guest here
Speaker 1: today to help us sort it all out. Dr Mark
Speaker 1: Bendon is director of the Ergonomic Center at Texas A
Speaker 1: and M University, where he has done all kinds of
Speaker 1: research on how to make your workplace healthier, including sedentary
Speaker 1: behavior intervention and lots of studies about how standing desks work. Mark,
Speaker 1: great to have you. Thank you for being here. It's great.
Speaker 1: Let's start by talking about, um, what do you what
Speaker 1: would you say most people do wrong when it comes
Speaker 1: to sitting at their desk and working being at their desk.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. We we hate to
Speaker 1: kind of point the finger at people and say wrong,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately the research is showing that our biggest challenge
Speaker 1: in the office today is a lack of movement. So uh,
Speaker 1: not being physically active during the course of the day.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just really easy to get into some
Speaker 1: of the great ergonomic chairs that we have. You know,
Speaker 1: they're very comfortable, they're very contour, they fit our bodies well,
Speaker 1: so it's easy to kind of sit in those and
Speaker 1: and not move except for you know, lunch and bio breaks,
Speaker 1: and that's just too long for us to be still.
Speaker 1: So what our research focuses on is trying to find
Speaker 1: creative ways to help people to get up and get
Speaker 1: moving and kind of get that whole body activity throughout
Speaker 1: the day in the office that we've we've lost over
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. So it sounds like moving is
Speaker 1: the answer. Does that mean that standing all day also
Speaker 1: isn't the answer? Absolutely? Yeah, we really try to. I
Speaker 1: mean I even try to avoid the word, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting as much as I try to avoid the word standing,
Speaker 1: because that's really not what we're after. We're after the movement.
Speaker 1: So um, active sitting or active standing, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's okay. There's moving around by walking right, just and
Speaker 1: a balambulation. Um. We encourage anything that has to do
Speaker 1: with changing position, changing posture. Moving. People ask me often,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, so just tell me what's my best
Speaker 1: position to be in? And I always tell them, you, look,
Speaker 1: the best position you can be in is the next one,
Speaker 1: and you know it just it just shows that it's
Speaker 1: really not about a position or a posture. It's more
Speaker 1: about changing positions, changing postures. So even ones that are
Speaker 1: a little odd, and we wouldn't necessarily encourage, like, for instance,
Speaker 1: sitting on one of your feet, Um, if you do
Speaker 1: that for a short period of time, it's really not
Speaker 1: a big deal. We just wouldn't want you to do
Speaker 1: that for hours. And the same thing was sitting still
Speaker 1: or standing still, We wouldn't want you to do those
Speaker 1: for hours on end because there are other negative health
Speaker 1: effects that can come from those. Can you tell me
Speaker 1: before we get into how to best move around most
Speaker 1: in the workplace, what are some of the benefits of
Speaker 1: moving around? Sure, the biggest thing we see is that
Speaker 1: when you engage the large skeletal muscles that hold us
Speaker 1: up right, that that allows us to move and ambulate. Um.
Speaker 1: Those large trunk muscles will basically provide a way for
Speaker 1: the body to filter out toxins and replenish nutrients and
Speaker 1: take away lactic acid. Um. We also see a really
Speaker 1: strong body and brain connection. So what that means is
Speaker 1: that you know, there's a certainly cognitive level that we're
Speaker 1: all capable of performing at and to be at our best,
Speaker 1: to be at our most alert, our most reactive or
Speaker 1: most attentive, um, we need to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of body movement. We need to engage our body. And
Speaker 1: so when we're lethargic and sedentary and we sit still
Speaker 1: for long periods of time, the blood pools are glucose
Speaker 1: cycles dip, we we really do start to kind of
Speaker 1: get into a stupor. And when that happens, unfortunately we're
Speaker 1: not at our at our peak. We're not at our
Speaker 1: top performance, and so being able to get up and
Speaker 1: move around just encourages that better blood flow to the
Speaker 1: brain and to the rest of the body, all of
Speaker 1: our organs um, we're able to have better respirations. And again,
Speaker 1: our our reaction time are are thinking. We do think
Speaker 1: better on our feet than on our seat, and so
Speaker 1: getting us up and getting us moving is is just critical.
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of people have taken that advice,
Speaker 1: the advice not to sit to mean stand. You know,
Speaker 1: the standing desks have really taken off. Do you do
Speaker 1: you feel like we've gone overboard with the standing desk? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let me clarify that I think that's the wrong message
Speaker 1: because I worry about people who might take it to
Speaker 1: the extreme and stand still, flatfooted for eight hours. So
Speaker 1: yes to part of your question. Um. The other piece
Speaker 1: of that, though, is, so here's the reality. Um, We're
Speaker 1: not at any danger. And here's why I know that,
Speaker 1: because we are currently evaluating thousands of workers who have
Speaker 1: electrics at stand desks, and they are not over using
Speaker 1: those desks. Fact we find, unfortunately that a lot of
Speaker 1: the workers are hardly using the standing feature at all.
Speaker 1: So I understand and of course agree with the concern
Speaker 1: that we would have people suddenly standing for eight hours.
Speaker 1: The reality is they're not doing that. I think. Again,
Speaker 1: the mix is the big thing, So that transitions changing movement. Um,
Speaker 1: if I sit, you know, for thirty minutes and then
Speaker 1: I stand for fifteen minutes, and then I sit for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and I stand for fifteen minutes, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable mix during the day. If I sit
Speaker 1: for forty five minutes and stand for fifteen minutes, that's
Speaker 1: a reasonable mix during the day. But again, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to stand for two hours at a time without
Speaker 1: changing posture, or sit for two hours at a time
Speaker 1: without getting up and moving around. So the variety is
Speaker 1: what we're after, and we think we've got some new
Speaker 1: ways to help people to prompt them, to remind them,
Speaker 1: to encourage them, um, to get up and move around.
Speaker 1: And so some of the real recent research, the ones
Speaker 1: that are still ongoing right now, we're doing that through
Speaker 1: behavioral prompts with the computer. Can you tell us a
Speaker 1: little more about that research, sure, So we're working with
Speaker 1: a couple of different companies to combine monitoring of the
Speaker 1: human and monitoring of some of their bio markers, and
Speaker 1: monitoring of the electric deaths, so where are they at
Speaker 1: in space? Are they at a seated position or a
Speaker 1: standing position? And then monitoring of the person's computer, mouse
Speaker 1: and keyboard. So all of those things kind of combined together.
Speaker 1: There's individual companies working on each of those. We're sort
Speaker 1: of pulling all of that data together and trying to
Speaker 1: look at it, uh, you know, as a unit and
Speaker 1: understanding what's going on with people and how they react
Speaker 1: and respond and how they're different, for instance, in the
Speaker 1: morning when they first come in when they're fresh, versus
Speaker 1: in the afternoon when they're starting to get fatigued. Um.
Speaker 1: Understanding what might work well for one person. Um, perhaps
Speaker 1: you like a simple computer prompt that pops up on
Speaker 1: your screen and then it does that occasionally throughout the day,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of control how often that happens.
Speaker 1: Someone else might like a more I'll just say allowed
Speaker 1: imagine a drill sergeant kind of screaming at you through
Speaker 1: your screen. They might prefer that that might be what
Speaker 1: it takes to kind of get them going instead of
Speaker 1: a gentle nudge like you would get from a close friend.
Speaker 1: So there's lots of different ways to encourage people. Another
Speaker 1: one we're working on right now is gamifying this process.
Speaker 1: So the nice thing about that is that it would
Speaker 1: allow an office complex of workers to compete against another
Speaker 1: office complex, and so on a dashboard you would see
Speaker 1: data about your team versus the other team, and it
Speaker 1: would be things related to this whole idea of movement
Speaker 1: and activity. Uh, we could even tie in, for instance,
Speaker 1: the number of steps that the team is taking throughout
Speaker 1: the day. Sometimes the team sport is an easier way
Speaker 1: to participate rather than trying to do this all on
Speaker 1: your own, by yourself, just through you know, your own prompting.
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. There are sensors on
Speaker 1: people's chairs and mice and keyboards and desks to track
Speaker 1: if they're sitting and standing, right, So all of these things.
Speaker 1: If you if you've read much recently about the Internet
Speaker 1: of things, as we're connecting, you know, basically putting a
Speaker 1: chip in so many different pieces of hardware, how do
Speaker 1: we tie those things together? Because what's happening right now
Speaker 1: is we're suddenly getting a lot of data. Right We're
Speaker 1: getting data from all kinds of different um sensors every
Speaker 1: second of every day. So many of them are just
Speaker 1: you know, off the shelf, something you might think of,
Speaker 1: like a fitbit for instance. And so you know, what
Speaker 1: do we do with that data or really encourage healthier behaviors?
Speaker 1: And and probably most important right now is to sustain
Speaker 1: uh those healthy behaviors. If you've ever seen the jim,
Speaker 1: you know, the first week of January and and then
Speaker 1: unfortunately about sixty days later, you'll you'll know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. There's certainly a phenomena right around everybody getting
Speaker 1: excited about something and wanting to make a change and
Speaker 1: change their behaviors. But it is hard with humans to
Speaker 1: kind of sustain that and keep that going over time,
Speaker 1: and so that really right now is one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things that we're trying to find ways to do
Speaker 1: that creatively to keep those behaviors going well. I just
Speaker 1: want to wrap up by asking you about what most
Speaker 1: people should do. I mean, it's it's great to have
Speaker 1: these advanced kind of desks, but it sounds like an
Speaker 1: ideal world we wouldn't really be at a desk at
Speaker 1: all for most of our day. But since most of
Speaker 1: us are stuck there, what's the main takeaway from your
Speaker 1: research about how how most people can kind of adjust? Sure,
Speaker 1: I think the nice thing today is we've got options, right,
Speaker 1: so more than more than in the past when we
Speaker 1: first started developing. This whole issue of technology induced in activity,
Speaker 1: where the computers and mouse and keyboard kind of had
Speaker 1: us tethered and tied. We're able to get up and
Speaker 1: move around. Most of us are doing um things on
Speaker 1: our smartphone, for instance, that that we can take with
Speaker 1: us anywhere that we could only do at our workstations.
Speaker 1: There are PCs just five or ten years ago, so
Speaker 1: I think the ability to work from multiple places on
Speaker 1: the go is really changing what you think of his work.
Speaker 1: The next challenge for us, once we get people to
Speaker 1: start moving more and working from different places, will be
Speaker 1: how we regulate how much total work they do, because
Speaker 1: I'm concerned that that may become troublesome for folks. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on and talking to us.
Speaker 1: It was my pleasure. So Dr Bendon calmed me down
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm a little less concerned that we're
Speaker 1: all guaranteed to die no matter what we do. It
Speaker 1: seems like the main takeaway is sitting isn't great for
Speaker 1: you all the time, standing isn't great for you all
Speaker 1: the time, But really the most important thing is that
Speaker 1: you move around a lot. Yeah. My dream for this
Speaker 1: is to be able to just take a break in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day to work out. That would
Speaker 1: be so nice. Some people do it, but it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to make the time. It's a luxury. And there
Speaker 1: are coworking spaces that I've been to that have yoga
Speaker 1: built in and that's part of the culture, so people
Speaker 1: do it, and there are offices that have yoga and
Speaker 1: boot camp in the middle of the day. Um, but
Speaker 1: to me, it's a little weird to work out with
Speaker 1: your coworkers. And also, I guess there's come back all sweaty.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can go somewhere with the gym,
Speaker 1: I mean with the shower and perhaps, but then there's
Speaker 1: also that kind of icky thing where if your office
Speaker 1: is offering you all these things, like you never leave work,
Speaker 1: but I still want it. I think it brings up
Speaker 1: an interesting point though, that like your first thought goes
Speaker 1: to finding a way to get away from work and
Speaker 1: move around. I mean, ultimately, whatever you do to hack
Speaker 1: your space. And you know, Dr Bennon was saying, we
Speaker 1: can walk around where while we work because technology enables that. Really,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to move around the most if you're
Speaker 1: not actually working. So I think that the best solution,
Speaker 1: if you have the option, is to do a little
Speaker 1: less work and a little more working out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: with that, let's do half bake takes, happy fake takes.
Speaker 1: Before we get started with our half bake takes, we
Speaker 1: have exciting news. We've been asking you now for a
Speaker 1: few weeks to leave us a voicemail with your half
Speaker 1: bag take, and you did. We have a listener half
Speaker 1: baked take. Let's get started by hearing it. This is
Speaker 1: Jeremy from New York. Five day work week, that's fine,
Speaker 1: don't change that. Plump days are fun. I guess three
Speaker 1: day weekend and then when there's a holiday, you know,
Speaker 1: four day weekend. Uh, that's my half bake takes. Thanks.
Speaker 1: So I think our listener is arguing for eight day weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm down. I mean, it would probably take a
Speaker 1: lot of legislation to completely reorient the the Gregorian calendar
Speaker 1: as we know it. But I mean that's what makes
Speaker 1: it a half big take. Yeah, you don't have to
Speaker 1: think about the detail. I love it. Please keep sending
Speaker 1: us your listener half big takes and we will play
Speaker 1: them in the air as often as we can. Becca,
Speaker 1: what is this week's idea that you want on the
Speaker 1: record that you haven't thought about that much? LinkedIn is
Speaker 1: secretly the best social network, let's hear it. Social networks
Speaker 1: give me a ton of social anxiety. Um, for all
Speaker 1: different reasons. Like Instagram, I get weirded out because you like,
Speaker 1: get too many enough likes on your photos and you
Speaker 1: feel bad if you don't. Um. Facebook, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: even there to say about Facebook? Twitter? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of like professional anxiety, and I always second guess the
Speaker 1: thing I post. You can really go wrong on Twitter
Speaker 1: if you make a slip and right like a bad joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but LinkedIn does not ask anything of me. LinkedIn, you know,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what to put on my profile where
Speaker 1: I worked. Um, I will accept any request from any
Speaker 1: friend because I don't put any thing on it. UM.
Speaker 1: I just find it to be like the lowest cost
Speaker 1: social network for my emotions and my psyche. Do you
Speaker 1: visit LinkedIn regularly? So I use it for reporting? I do? UM,
Speaker 1: I know that's very specific to my job. I know
Speaker 1: that you can read articles on it. I don't know
Speaker 1: how really to do that, but that's the thing. It
Speaker 1: just is like the office place of social networks, right Like,
Speaker 1: it's very superficial relationships with people who I'm like tangentially
Speaker 1: connected to nobody's being like too real. We all keep
Speaker 1: it a little bit at bay like I'm into LinkedIn.
Speaker 1: I like it well. Full full disclosure. I used to
Speaker 1: work at LinkedIn, and I think there were product people
Speaker 1: there that would be very pleased to hear you say
Speaker 1: that you visit LinkedIn all the time. I didn't say
Speaker 1: that that was I mean, full disclosure. This is not
Speaker 1: a commercial for LinkedIn, So if you don't visit it.
Speaker 1: Do you visit it a lot? Like more than every
Speaker 1: year too when you're thinking starting But yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: use it for things. LinkedIn wants me to use that
Speaker 1: fire probably I think they would just be happy that
Speaker 1: you're that. I'm more than every few years. It just
Speaker 1: has a utility and a purpose that the other ones don't.
Speaker 1: And also the other one stressed me out. Okay, low
Speaker 1: stress LinkedIn Frantaska. What is your half opinion? Okay, as
Speaker 1: we as we approached springtime and we slog through this winter,
Speaker 1: I have a have a winter related half, big take, um,
Speaker 1: which is that layering is excuse my language, bs. Go on.
Speaker 1: If you live in a cold climate and you are
Speaker 1: layering to try and keep yourself warm, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: Get yourself a puffy coat that is so warm that
Speaker 1: you're basically wearing a blanket everywhere, and you could be
Speaker 1: wearing a bikini underneath it and you'd still be warm.
Speaker 1: And those coats cost a lot of money. But I
Speaker 1: can tell you I have one. It is the best
Speaker 1: investment I've ever made. I agree with you on investing
Speaker 1: in really good warm clothing. Like I'm a huge fan
Speaker 1: of having like the warmest everything, and it feels so good,
Speaker 1: but I, oh, I still like layers. For me, it's
Speaker 1: like you put a sweater on under a blazer under
Speaker 1: a coat, and then your arms get all tight and
Speaker 1: then you have there's like sweating that happened somewhere, a
Speaker 1: blazer over your sweater. Layering is a lot of trouble
Speaker 1: if you ask me, and for me on the coldest
Speaker 1: days of the year, my ultimate goal is to basically
Speaker 1: be a walking bed. I want to have a comforter
Speaker 1: wrapped around me, and I want to have pillows around
Speaker 1: my feet. That's why I have shearing boots, which I
Speaker 1: can wear, by the way, without sucks. So I basically
Speaker 1: just carry my warm, cozy bed around with me all
Speaker 1: day and it has changed my life. No more layering
Speaker 1: for me, all right, this has been a half baked
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