WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Max Headroom broadcast signal intrusion

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<v Speaker 1>of Thinking Sideways. As always, I am Steve, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course I'm joined by Devin and Joe, and once again,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, I know it's hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a strange case. Believe it or not, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's hard to believe, believe, believe a huge mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Today episode is brought to you by I Believe. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to talk about is today is the

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<v Speaker 1>Max Headroom broadcast interruption. Everybody remembers the eighties, right, not really? Well? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not? Yeah? Well you know, if if you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you're missing out on a lot of iconic TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>and characters, specifically the character named Max Headroom. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually liked that show a lot. I did too, I

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<v Speaker 1>did too, Max headroum. He was the first quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>digital character on TV and uh though really there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>anything digital about him. Now he was Matt Matt Frewer, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been in a ton of stuff through the through

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<v Speaker 1>the years and since then. It's you know, it's actually funny,

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<v Speaker 1>is every time I see Frewer in a TV show,

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<v Speaker 1>I expect him a little bit somewhere in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of my head to do that weird Max Headroom stutter.

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<v Speaker 1>Why well, why didn't he do it? That's not his voice?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? You know? You guys asked that every

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<v Speaker 1>time you meet somebody in public like fan probably I'm sure, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, this isn't an episode about eighties

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<v Speaker 1>TV or my favorite eighties TV shows, which there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. Uh so, it's because it's my

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<v Speaker 1>childhood was. Actually, if you're not don't enough to remember

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<v Speaker 1>what TV was like back in the seventies and the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and stuff, it's like TV it's a lot better today.

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<v Speaker 1>You young whiper snappers should really appreciate what you've got.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks, Yeah, that's what I hear. Yeah, Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna talk about is we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Max Headroom character being used or the face

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<v Speaker 1>of the character being used, and what is sometimes referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as the best hack of all time of broadcast television.

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<v Speaker 1>Technically it's not really a hack so much as an

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion whatever. Tomato tomato depends on your perspective. I guess now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get too far into this, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our listener. Yah see. I believe it's how

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<v Speaker 1>you pronounce the name. I'm not exactly positive, so if

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<v Speaker 1>I angled that. Sorry. Hey, by the way, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a listener and you want to send us

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<v Speaker 1>at a suggestion and you have a strange or sort

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<v Speaker 1>of unusual name, maybe tell us how to pronounce it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a hard to pronounced name, a normal Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Bob Devon named the normal white person name. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're dumb, Yeah, that would be helpful. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>we got this request first through One Avenue and then

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<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, a bunch of requests for it

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<v Speaker 1>came through Souper Popularity. It was a super popular one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we got two or three on Twitter alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had to do it. I knew I had

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<v Speaker 1>to take it, so I stole it out from underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Devon was planning on it, and we're going to run

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<v Speaker 1>with it from here. So if this is a terrible episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you can blame me and just think funnily. But it

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<v Speaker 1>would be like if had done it. Yeah, it's terrible episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>You can blame the eighties. Al Right, Well, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into the story. On November twenty second seven. Sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you laughing? I was five months old. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember this. This was awesome. Yeah, a TV in your

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<v Speaker 1>nurse ory and you could watch this. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I was watching TV at nine pm. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a flat screen TV right there in your crib.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know. I don't remember a lot from

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<v Speaker 1>that time period, but I definitely don't remember flat screen TVs.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a primitive time, wasn't Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 1>all had dials on them still, right. You know people

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<v Speaker 1>wrote things in chalk on walls instead of with markers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was such a primitive time. His remote

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those clicker remotes. You ever seen those?

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<v Speaker 1>All the actual clicker, Yeah, the the noise actually to

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<v Speaker 1>change the channel. Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry, we're getting to

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<v Speaker 1>rub it in Okay, let's let's start this over. Okay, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't laugh this time. Okay. On November twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>during the nine o'clock News is Sports Report on Channel nine,

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<v Speaker 1>which the call sign is w g n TV. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>w G in America, everybody knows because that's the channel

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<v Speaker 1>that plays America's funniest from videos. That pretty much all

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<v Speaker 1>they play. These is all they play. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>this is in Chicago. The news viewers were watching as

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<v Speaker 1>the anchor at the time, his name was Dan Rone,

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<v Speaker 1>was cut off literally in mid sentence, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>replaced with a black screen so that the screen just

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<v Speaker 1>went black. It had some funny little numbers on the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>and that sat there for about ten seconds, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the screen was filled with what looks like a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of corrugated metal rotating back and forth. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen Max Headroom, take a moment, pause this episode

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<v Speaker 1>and pull up anything from the Max Headroom Show. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's always got these weird streaming lines and rotating stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the background, and that's what this is reflective of.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually was like corrugated tin. It was it looks yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like corrugated roofing. Is exactly what it looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's rotating back and forth, and there's a person

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a Max Headroom mask standing in front of it, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bobbing up and down and back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>for about ten seconds, and then suddenly the screen goes

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<v Speaker 1>black again and it returns to Dan Rone staring into

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<v Speaker 1>the camera. So this whole thing is lasted not a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. Uh, there was absolutely no audio. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a weird well, there was no verbal audio. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird tone. I couldn't I could never figure anything

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<v Speaker 1>out from it. Nobody else seems to have really cared

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, so I'm guessing it was just interference

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<v Speaker 1>of some kind. But that's all there was. And to

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<v Speaker 1>his credit, dan Rone did a fantastic job and had

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of humor because he looks into the camera

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<v Speaker 1>and I kid you not, says, well, if you're wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>what's just happened? So am I said something like, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>Max for that great report. Now, well you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny is that Rome did obviously have a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humor about this, because the next week he pretended

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<v Speaker 1>to get interrupted again by the Max Hidroom. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was totally stage. So he was obviously willing to have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of fun with it. But if if

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<v Speaker 1>that had been all that happened, and if that was

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<v Speaker 1>all that occurred, nobody really would have cared and this

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<v Speaker 1>story would have just disappeared. They would have just gone

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<v Speaker 1>off and be no more. But best Max Headman went

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<v Speaker 1>too far. Max Headroom continued interrupted. He interrupted an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Doctor Who. He did and Doctor Who that's rioted

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<v Speaker 1>nearly burned the s into the ground. That was not

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<v Speaker 1>what Doctor Who fans. Yeah, now what happens is we

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<v Speaker 1>now move over to Channel eleven, which is stationed w

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<v Speaker 1>t t W. As Joe said, they were airing a

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Doctor Who and it was specifically it was

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<v Speaker 1>the Horror of fan Rock episode season four, season four,

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<v Speaker 1>which for doctor good Ta Yeah, our Doctor Who nerd

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<v Speaker 1>fans toms my absolute favorite old doctor. Yeah, he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best. Yeah. No, he has the best old

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<v Speaker 1>doctor for sure. Yeah, and I somebody email me about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it. Well, do we want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about his scarf or should we just leave that because

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk like ten minutes about Dore fromode on the

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Who's scarf At some point we really should Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>At eleven fifteen, again, this is right in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of dialogue of this episode of Doctor Who, the screen

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<v Speaker 1>gets kind of staticky, and if you've ever watched old television,

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<v Speaker 1>when the vertical and the horizontal is kind of off,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of twisted and bended from vertical to horizontal

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and then all of a sudden flips

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly presumably the same person wearing the Max headro

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<v Speaker 1>mask standing in front of a piece of cord get metal.

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<v Speaker 1>From here on out, I'm just gonna refer to this

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<v Speaker 1>person it is Max because it's simpler because we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who that person is, and that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the key things in this mystery. From here for it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about Max. Unlike the first interruption,

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<v Speaker 1>there was audio that came through, and it did have

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<v Speaker 1>it was spoken audio. It was a little distorted. It

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<v Speaker 1>was distorted. It's actually one of the like creepier things

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<v Speaker 1>for me, Like this is another one of those mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>that you hear about and you watch the video late

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<v Speaker 1>at night because you're dumb, and on some of some

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<v Speaker 1>Reddit thread that's said, what's the creepiest unexplained broadcast and

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, laying in bed thinking, oh, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>be that creepy, and they aren't that creepy. But for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, there's like one little thing about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's for me, it was the pitch of this like audio. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this audio is very high pitch. It's and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult to understand. And that's think about it is

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<v Speaker 1>too as the guy is just his antics and his

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<v Speaker 1>talking and everything, it's just like a little off his rocker.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it reminds me of a more frenetic version

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<v Speaker 1>of The Joker when he busted it on television in

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<v Speaker 1>Gotham City. Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild. There's hand flailing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to get into some of this. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to just give a big thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to whoever took the time to try and clean up

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<v Speaker 1>that audio and then transcribe it, because if I had

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<v Speaker 1>to try and do that, it just wouldn't have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd given up on like the second play because it

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<v Speaker 1>is it's kind of tough to hear. And that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that we're not actually going to to

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<v Speaker 1>put that audio into this episode, is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to understand, and it's not pleasant to listen to. First.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a minute a half long. Frankly, it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a lot of sense. Yeah, it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to find watch the video. You can watch the video

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<v Speaker 1>if you want. But let's let me just walk through

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of describe what happens. So again we've got

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<v Speaker 1>Max in front of the same rotating background, which it's

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<v Speaker 1>very brightly lit, it's reflective, it's hard to look at

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<v Speaker 1>talking into the camera. After a couple of lines, Max

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<v Speaker 1>bends over, picks up a Pepsi can and says the

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<v Speaker 1>line catch the wave, which, if you don't remember, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not from that era, is from a coke ad

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<v Speaker 1>that was running at the top, not just new coke.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. Max flails around a pepsi can, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of weird because it's coke pepsi can, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>flings it forward, it hits the ground, bends over, grabs it,

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<v Speaker 1>tosses it away again. Uh flips the bird at the

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<v Speaker 1>camera wearing a rubber finger. And this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those weird interpretation spots in US story. I've heard that

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't a rubber finger, but instead is a rubber fallus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably the nicest way to say it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure, I have I honestly, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a rubber finger to me, but people say it's something.

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<v Speaker 1>That video is pretty blurrious. It's uh, it's continuing on

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<v Speaker 1>from there. Um, Max says a few more lines, starts

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<v Speaker 1>to then hum the tune to a TV show from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties sixties, which was a cartoon called Clutch Cargo.

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<v Speaker 1>And this whole time, it's this funny voice that Max

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<v Speaker 1>is talking. In the background is again still moving back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth. Suddenly Max bends over and picks up a

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<v Speaker 1>glove and puts it on, or tries to put it

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<v Speaker 1>on before throwing it away, continues to gyrate around a

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<v Speaker 1>little more, and then suddenly the scene cuts and the

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<v Speaker 1>scene cuts to the rubber mask being held up off

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<v Speaker 1>of the left side of the screen, with the rubber

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<v Speaker 1>finger or fallus, whichever it is, sticking out of the mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some dude with his bare butts sticking out

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<v Speaker 1>of his pants holding the mask next to it, continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to talk in that weird voice, and there's a woman

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<v Speaker 1>on the right side of the frame. Somebody dresses because

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really you just see kind of you know,

0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.360
<v Speaker 1>mid torso to maybe thugb top of the thigh. That's it.

0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And this person has a fly swatter and begins to

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<v Speaker 1>smack presumably the same person which would do Max on

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom as Max continues to talk, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>goes black and it cuts right back into the episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Doctor Who that was playing. And this is my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite part. It just happened to the cut in as

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor looks at the camera and says, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, a massive electric shock, you must

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<v Speaker 1>have died instantly. God, I love that. It's perfect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks to me like there are only two

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<v Speaker 1>people involved in making the video because you know after

0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the cut that the background is stopped rotating, which means

0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the person that was rotating that the first half had

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<v Speaker 1>to stop doing that. We'll we'll get into that. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into that when we're talking into theories, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit ahead on there. But that's no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good observation because we want to talk about what

0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:47.760
<v Speaker 1>he said, right, because what he said it's weird. He's weird.

0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It is so it is so strange. So this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>an exact transcript. Some of this stuff I pulled out.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of it I capped, But I'm just gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>of run through what we have that we know that

0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.640
<v Speaker 1>people have figured out that Max said during this second

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast interruption, the one that was a minute seconds or

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<v Speaker 1>so long during dr who it says he's a freaking nerd.

0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm better than Chuck Swirsky freaking liberal, which

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<v Speaker 1>according to the research, is referring to a sportscast announcer

0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.560
<v Speaker 1>for w g N Radio at the time. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>again catch the way which is the new Coke slogan

0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 1>we talked about. Your love is fading is shouted right

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.320
<v Speaker 1>before he throws the finger slash fallus onto the floor. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, I still see the X. This is a

0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.160
<v Speaker 1>reference to remember I said that Max was humming a

0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:53.000
<v Speaker 1>tune from that TV show Clutch Cargo. That is evidently

0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.360
<v Speaker 1>the title of the last episode of Clutch Cargo from

0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties. Yeah, that's a really, really far back reference.

0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, I just made a giant masterpiece for all

0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the world's greatest newspaper nerds. Again, this is evidently another

0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Chicago centric dig and it's at Chicago's TV stations. The

0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.679
<v Speaker 1>call sign, which we talked about earlier, w g N.

0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:27.360
<v Speaker 1>It's an abbreviation for World's Greatest Newspaper, which the Tribune

0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.440
<v Speaker 1>who the Chicago Tribune who owned w g N. That

0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.440
<v Speaker 1>was what they used to call themselves in the early days,

0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and that's how w g M came about. So again

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.120
<v Speaker 1>we're there's a lot of weird little riffs. Uh. I

0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.040
<v Speaker 1>said that Max picked up a glove and he says,

0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 1>my brother is wearing the other one. It's dirty. It's

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 1>like you got bloodstains on it, which I don't even get.

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.800
<v Speaker 1>That's why I said, is like the ramblings of an

0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.240
<v Speaker 1>adult mind. It kind of is. We're almost done though. Um.

0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.719
<v Speaker 1>When the mask and the exposed bottom are shown on

0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the screen, we hear Max say they're coming to get me,

0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Come get me, bitch, at which point the fly swater

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<v Speaker 1>begins to go into action and indicative of the Max

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Headroom character, there's a lot of stuttering of words. But

0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it's weird because instead of so much Max Headroom used

0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of stutters, as if you would

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<v Speaker 1>have a digital audio file or a record that was skipping.

0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.240
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of the way it was made to sound

0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.720
<v Speaker 1>like his like his audio file was scrambled, and this

0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.680
<v Speaker 1>person sounds like they're trying to mimic that. But really

0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>what it turns out into is more of moans and

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.560
<v Speaker 1>drawn out words, and there's some screaming and gyrations, and

0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's like a it's like a break and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the bridge of the whole artistic piece where

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<v Speaker 1>he just like screams and moans and like laughs for

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<v Speaker 1>like five seconds or something, and that that, honestly is

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<v Speaker 1>the creepiest part for me, when he's doing that. The

0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.480
<v Speaker 1>first time I watched it, I didn't totally understand the

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.920
<v Speaker 1>heads I was not in the unsolved mystery like world yet,

0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.560
<v Speaker 1>so I obviously not a child of the eighties times,

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.840
<v Speaker 1>so I wasn't in the headspace of the weird, crazy

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.600
<v Speaker 1>people of the world, and I just kept thinking, that

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.120
<v Speaker 1>person is in so much pain, what's going on? Why

0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.400
<v Speaker 1>are they still hurt? Well, no, it's before that, it's

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.960
<v Speaker 1>when he's still in the chair, So I you know,

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that's the creepiest part for me, is just the scream

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.200
<v Speaker 1>moans that happened every once in a while. Yeah, it's weird.

0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:49.040
<v Speaker 1>If you google Max Headroom broadcast interruption, you will find this.

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Watch it, watch the video the video, and I'll give

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody a hint. If you find a video that is

0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds or so, that is the initial interruption that

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.200
<v Speaker 1>basically has no too except for Dan Rone talking. If

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you see anything that's a minute and a half plus,

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that's going to be the second interruption. If you can

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<v Speaker 1>find one that has subtitles, i'd recommend that because that

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.679
<v Speaker 1>really helps you understand what's going on. Maybe we can

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.840
<v Speaker 1>find one and posted on the website. Yeah, we've I've

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<v Speaker 1>got I've got one bookmark that's got the well have

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<v Speaker 1>to put that up. But if people want to just

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<v Speaker 1>track it down, I would recommend looking for one that's

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.239
<v Speaker 1>got the subtitles. Yeah, because you really can't understand what

0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.959
<v Speaker 1>he's saying. It's it's very difficult. I know. We watched

0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it one more time when we started tonight and I

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.199
<v Speaker 1>started understanding it. But it must have been the dozen

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.400
<v Speaker 1>time that I had watched that thing, so we finally

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 1>started making watch it again. If you've seen it before

0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>but not recently watched it again, I always forget about

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that second half. I don't know why. I just always

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<v Speaker 1>do the fwater. Yeah, I always forget about that. Your

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<v Speaker 1>probably that probably Yeah, it's probably a good thing. Yeah,

0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 1>remember the good thing? Five month old months you were

0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 1>already watching Doctor? Are you kidding? Of course I was.

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 1>As I said before, this whole thing. The second interruption

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 1>lasted about a minute and a half. That was twenty

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:20.360
<v Speaker 1>over years ago, and to this day, we don't know

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 1>positively who did it, who pulled it off, the the

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:31.200
<v Speaker 1>authorities tried to figure it out, they didn't ever get

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of it. And the theories are kind

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 1>of sparse. There's not a whole lot of theories really,

0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I've only got three so far. But before we get

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>into the theories, I want to help everybody kind of

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>understand how this could have been done, because hacking TV

0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 1>today is very, very difficult because it's a digital signal.

0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>If you don't know how digital signal works, don't try

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's really really complex, and your chances of getting

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in there are somewhere between slim and none. Now you're

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.520
<v Speaker 1>better off actually just invading the TV station and tying

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>up everybody at gunpoint and then just put your stuff on.

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 1>That's the easier than actually trying to hack the signal.

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't do that. Recommend not recommending that. I'm just

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.960
<v Speaker 1>saying we're not even like mildly suggestive word like saying,

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:31.840
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. This is in a simplified version, as

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>with most very very simplified the science of thinking. I

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 1>will start with the fact that, without a doubt, what

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>was done, according to the government, was against the law

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:53.600
<v Speaker 1>broadcast interruption. According to this name is terrible. Eighteen US

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<v Speaker 1>Code one three six seven, which was enacted in six

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 1>had put an addition in that said that satellite jamming

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 1>was a crime. Technically this is satellite jamming. So this

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.440
<v Speaker 1>was definitely a crime according to the government, but they

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>could never track down who did it. The FCC had

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>looked into it and they're kind of it seems like

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the ones who deal with this, but that's why it

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 1>was a crime. But this is how you do it.

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.880
<v Speaker 1>So we're just gonna go ahead and say disclaimer. We're

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>saying it's a crime. It's still a crime. We're gonna

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>tell you how to do it, but we're not saying

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 1>do it. You can't do it anymore. That's the thing.

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Everybody uses a digital signal that is saying, and this

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 1>is how somebody would hack an analog television signal. So

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.360
<v Speaker 1>if you had you know, you had the big metal

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 1>antenna on top of your house, and that's how you

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 1>got TV forever until about five years ago. Okay, well

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that's it was an analog signal and they stopped analog.

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So you can't do this method anymore. So disclaimer, but

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>don't try it anyway. Can't do it. You can't do

0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>which actually we're gonna like slip disinformation and we're gonna

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>be kind of vague about the whole thing. Oh no,

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>science is terrible and inaccurate and half of it's made up. Okay,

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>To spread their signals across the city, what a local

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>TV network would do is they would first relay their

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>signal from the studio to a high powered transmitter that

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>was on top of a tall building or a skyscraper.

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.639
<v Speaker 1>And that connection between those two places, between the TV

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>station and the transmitter is actually where the weak spot

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 1>is at. So that's the weak link in the process,

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>which is what somebody who was going to do a

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>broadcast interruption would That's what they would capitalize on. That's

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:56.439
<v Speaker 1>where they would strike to interrupt the signal. It was

0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>really really simple. All you had to do was you

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>had to have transmission equipment of your own, and you

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>had to be vertically at a high enough location. And

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>people say that this would be on the roof of

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a building or some kind of high rise or something

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like that in between the studio and the transmitter. Were

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>they not typically on top of the studio, like, was

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that not? No, they were, They were not always in

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the same location. So the studio is in one place,

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but the transmitter was on top of a big tall

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>building with lots of strong equipment to spread it around.

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>So that's so. Yes, it is too different places, so

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you get in between the two. And according to the research,

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>people think that in this particular instance, that means that

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it was somewhere between north or the northwest sides of Chicago,

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and from there all you had to do was id

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>nify the skyscraper that had the transmitter on it and

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>blasted with a high powered microwave signal of your own.

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't even need to be that high power.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It just needs to be a little more high powered.

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>That just needs to be strong enough in the studio

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 1>signal a little stronger than that and you and you're golden,

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and they were so far away. I'm sorry. So okay,

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 1>not only were they like not right next to each other,

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>but they were so far away that you could say, oh,

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 1>it was like the north northwest side of Chicago. Are

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>you talking about the two different transmitters that were hacked. Yeah,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>well I think that. So there there's a great map

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>out there, and I looked at it, and I want

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to say that they were only like a quarter to

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>a half a mile apart. It wasn't a huge distance. Okay,

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that's fair. I mean, I mean it's big when that's

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>like the only thing that's keeping you from being hacked.

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>But hacking wasn't that big of a thing. So that's

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing to keep it in mind. At different times,

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>very different time Um. So, as Joe said, you didn't

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>have to have a hugely strong signal. You just had

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to be strong enough to override what was coming from

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>the studio. And people could do this relatively inexpensively on

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>their own. And the brand new equipment for TV stations

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>costs tens of at the time was tens of thousands

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>of dollars. But you could get older equipment second hand

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>at an affordable price for a ham radio guy or

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's into that an enthusiast. It wasn't a huge cost,

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>and you didn't need a massive satellite dish, you know

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.199
<v Speaker 1>direct TV, those silly little dishes that people put on

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>their houses. That's all the big of a dish you

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>would have needed to use to broadcast at that transmitter

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 1>to to bust in. Okay, the first signal interruption that

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>we talked about, which was at w g N and

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the Sports news section, that that only lasted that ten

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>actual ten twenty second time frame because as soon as

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Dan Rone got interrupted in the screen went black and

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 1>then Max came on. One of their engineers was pretty

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>quick on his feet and he changed their frequency so

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that they were transmitting in a different frequency. The transmitter

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>knew suddenly it should be getting this other frequency, so

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it ignored the interrupted signals. So that's why one was

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>so very short for w t p W channel eleven. Uh,

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>somebody was asleep at the switch. Somebody sleep at the

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>switch not so fast, So that's why that one went

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>on so long. But as I was saying earlier to you, Devn,

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>this this wasn't the first broadcast interruption. If we look

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 1>at ACTAE, just a lot of them. Oh yeah, well,

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I only want to call out a couple of them

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>that I found fun or kind of humor. We've got.

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>April twenty second six, a guy by the name of

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>John McDougald jammed HBO signaled if you're from that era,

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you will remember the color bar screen that meant that

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>something was wrong or the station was off the air.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And what he did is he presented that color bar

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>with lines of text on top of it, and the

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>text read good evening HBO from Captain Midnight, twelve dollars

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a month, no way showtime movie channel Beware and that's

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>out there for minutes. Yeah, though he didn't use a

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>radio jam reminder standing as he was working at a

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>satellite uplink location and he just switched the satellite. He

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>just basically rotated a dish over to point he worked

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with satellites. He also got he got busted, obviously fine,

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and he got like a year or so is probation.

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing how they figure out who did it, because

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>he used some usual text encoder to make the text

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that was on the screen. That's how they figured it out.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.959
<v Speaker 1>And that's how they busted this guy. Yeah, and then

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>there was another guy who got busted just because he

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>was shooting his mouth off and he would have got

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>away with it. I can't remember which guy that was.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>That one I don't know, but the one, the other

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>one I want to talk about, which I find a

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>little humorous based on what it is and who got it,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is September, a gentleman by the name of Thomas Haney.

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's how you pronounced it. He interrupted Playboy

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>TV signal with text messages telling viewers to repent and

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>find Jesus. It's funny, you know. The one that comes

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to mind for me is the one where, uh, gosh,

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>it was some fairy young children's show this Yeah, and

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you know it's the exact opposite of you

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>were just telling about. Yeah, mine's funny, yours is just yeah, thanks,

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>thanks for that. I just remember because I was in

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>preschool at the time. You're watching the show when it happened. Yeah,

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you know it wasn't local liar to Okay, let's move on. Normally,

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>this would be the point where in this episode, since

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 1>it is sponsored by Audible, I would tell you about

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a book that's inaudible that's related to this story. Unfortunately,

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find one, so I thought i'd tell you

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>something different. See it doesn't go with the natural flow

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of the podcast. I'll turn it around. Trust me, bear

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>with me, as you too know, but our listeners don't. Uh.

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>This weekend I took a plane ride to the East

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Coast and back, so I had nothing to do, so

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>of course I went ahead and pulled the book off

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of Audible. You signed up for your free trial, signed

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>up for a trial, and I listened to I got

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a Neil gam In book. I don't know if gaming

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>or guyman I can never mind. It's gaming okay, And

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if either of you two ever read

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>any Neil Gaman man um it's uh, it's kind of

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>sci fick fiction. It's it's fun, it's light reading. And

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I knew that's what I was gonna want for hours

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and hours on a plane, and so I got Ocean

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>at the End of the Lane, which was a great book.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the game and you haven't read

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that one, I get it, especially since it's narrated by him,

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty cool. He's got a great voice and

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. As I was listening to it, I really

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>thought a couple of times, is this really Neil Gaming

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>or is this the guy that played Servius Snake in

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the Harry Potter movies, because man, yeah, his voice just

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of a time sounds like that. So it was

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. But as I was looking through the other

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>book that I am a Scott was Chariots of the

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Gods by a guy named Eric. Yeah, that one about

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>aliens coming to Earth. I remember I read that when

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, and it looked really interesting. But

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it seemed too heavy for a plane ride. Oh no,

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not that heavy. Well, it was much longer than

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the Neil Gaming book, so I went with the Neil

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Gaming Book, but it seemed easier to pay attention to

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>on an airplane. But if you guys want to download

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>a Neil Gaman book or Chariots of the Gods or

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.880
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0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:43.560
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0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>it really helped me with the plane ride. I probably

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>spent an hour perusing their library before actually downloaded something,

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>because it's a hundred or a hundred fifty thousand titles

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and growing the app. I actually put the app on

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>my tablet, which I gotta admit most player apps drive

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>me nuts. And what I really liked about this one

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>is that when my Divide, when the tablet was asleep

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and I woke it up, the player was on the

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>wake screen, so I could quickly and easily posit or

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>or rewind it a little bit, which so many people

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.280
<v Speaker 1>dropped the ball on that, so I was really happy

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that that was there. But yeah, it was. It's a

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 1>really good sight. So I like the player a lot.

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>But if you guys want to start that trial again,

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's Audible podcast, dot Com, slash Thinking Sideways, start your

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>free trial, and really, you know, it's Ours of Enjoyments. Yeah,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>so guess that doesn't really tie right back into the

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>theory section. I don't know is your next theory? It's aliens. No,

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>don't crid what is your next theory? The first theory

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that I have is specific to one person, which doesn't

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>tie you into Aliens or Neil Gaiman or anybody. No,

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>unless it Neil Gaiman. Was it Nail Neil Gaiman? No,

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yes, it was Neil Gaiman. The first

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>theory is that it was Neil Gaiman. Okay Stopporn. Our

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>first theory is that it's a guy by the name

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of Eric Fournier. People think that Eric Fournier is responsible

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>for the whole thing, and the reason is for near

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>just some weird stuff. He's got a YouTube channel. He

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>makes really strange videos. He as an adult, dresses up

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>in odd costumes and wears a doll's mask. He's, by

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the way, cut the bottom of the mask off and

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>duct taped it together so that when he talks, the

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>mouth moves uh. And he talks to the camera as

0:35:54.800 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a character called shay st John. He moves around radically.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>There's weird, high pitched voices, and he flails around that

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>The gesture style is similar to what is in the

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Matt's Headroom video. It's weird. I watched a couple of

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.479
<v Speaker 1>four years videos, these shayse St John videos, and there

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I got admit a little disturbing, and I didn't get

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 1>them at all because the costume is always in kind

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of various states of disrepair and wigs that are ratty.

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just odd. So the story, though, is that in

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the eighties. In the mid eighties, four years a young

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>man I think he was in his late teens at

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>this point, was in a band and he wanted to

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>get exposure for the band. Oh you know, it's a

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>great way to do that is not mentioning your band

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>at all. Yeah, well what he did, no, no, this

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>is years ago, not not the new videos that he's

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>doing now. This was for the band and then um

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 1>but he uh, his original intention was to make a

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>video promoting the band, and then he was going to

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>interrupt the signal and he was gonna put it in

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>there some people there in Chicago learned about his band,

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and then at the last minute realized what a dumb

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.439
<v Speaker 1>idea of that was because it was gonna come back

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>on him super fast. So at the last minute changed

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 1>it up and made the Max Headroom video. Problem is,

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>for near was in his teens at the time, and

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 1>according to his friends, he a wasn't in Chicago to

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>be able to pull this off, and me didn't have

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the technical know how to make it happen. So it's

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.919
<v Speaker 1>a weak link. I think really it's because people watch

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>these kookie videos and this these weird erratic gestures and

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>movements and presume that that must be the same person.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I honestly think the part of the videos at four

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Near does. They're sped up at times, so it looks

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like a person just normally leaning forward leaning back looks

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>like a very abrupt, jerky motion because the track has

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>been messed with. So I think that's why people think

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that it's four near. But I don't buy it. I

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>agree with you. Okay, Sorry, I was just sitting here

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>googling because I know you hate when I do that, right, Well, no,

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just the name sounded Familier and it was

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>from a creepy pasta that I had read, and that's fine.

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.320
<v Speaker 1>But now he is dead. He died in two thousand.

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Who am I thinking of somebody from four chand maybe

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>probably that's what it is. I'm getting the two mixed

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>up because okay, yeah, that's my bad. Yeah, screwed up.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for correcting me. You're welcome. My googling during

0:38:54.640 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>shows pays off filing. She's not just facebooking. Yeah, okay,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>so I'm an idiot. Okay, well that would feel flat.

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's move forward here. No, not the final theory, got you? Yeah,

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>let's let's do that We've got another one, which is

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 1>that in someone got on four Chan and shockingly claimed

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:32.439
<v Speaker 1>that they were responsible for the entire thing. First of all,

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the person who claims that they did the whole thing

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>really put some major holes in the story, and that's

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>by specifically what they said they did. The person that

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>claimed credit for the Max Headroom broadcast interruption on four

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Chan said that they were in a TV studio and

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>no one else was around and they did it themselves.

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Of course, that happens all the time, all the time.

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>The problem is is that the cameras that are in

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>TV studios, the quality and the caliber of them, it's

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>vastly superior, especially in to what is available to the

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>general public, or not even just that, just vastly superior

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to what we saw in the broadcast. And that's exactly it.

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>But but did this guy say he made the film

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>in the TV studio? I mean, it could have. It's

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>possible he made the video somewhere else. And would just

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.720
<v Speaker 1>bear with me on that question, because the next problem

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in their their claim actually answers that. But let me

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 1>let me finish up with this, which is, yeah, as

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Devin said, you know, this thing is crappy quality, So

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>there's no way it was done on a TV studio camera.

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>The other problem is, you know, I'm not even go

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>into why there was a piece of spinning corget and

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 1>a Max Headroum mask and a rubber finger slash fallus

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>in a TV studio. That doesn't sound like something that's

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.919
<v Speaker 1>at the Home Shopping Network And I don't know why

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that's in there, and I'm just gonna kind of leave

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 1>that alone. But at SNL and studio I could see

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>nowhere else could I see, although I guess not in

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the studio they can have proper rooms for that stuff. Yeah,

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that's true. Yeah, I can't hard to imagine smuggling a

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>piece of corgetd tin into the into the studio too

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a little Yeah, that would that would not go buy

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>security easily. So back to your question. That question, Okay,

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 1>person said they did it live. There's a problem with that. Okay, Yeah,

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a gut problem because Max goes from jumping around

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and screaming with his head in the air and a

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>direct cut to the butt slash fly swatter scene. Okay,

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 1>if that is done live, there's no way one person

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>could do that, never mind that other person was standing

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 1>there there's no way that could have been done live

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 1>because it happened like that. Yeah, that's that's impossible. Yeah,

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and the second person who was obviously rotating the corrugated

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to him back and forth, and then you know, so

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 1>after the cat it stops rotating, so he's he's now

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 1>from impersonating a woman and with the fly swatter or she. Yes,

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 1>whether it is or is not a woman, we don't know.

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>We don't even know if the person playing Max Headroom

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>is a man or not. We're just that that's just

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a supposition based on the mass. Yeah,

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>well in the size, and I think it's a reasonable

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a reasonable presumption, but it could be wrong. It

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>could very well be Okay, So I again, I'm completely

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>discounting the four chan claim responsibility that came through in Well.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>The other thing about the other problem that I have

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 1>with for Chen is he said it was in the

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 1>TV studio, and he did, and he did it live.

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>But we're talking two different studios here and two different

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>radio transmitters, right right, Yeah, so sometimes managed to give

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>himself alone into two studios in the same evening or

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>somehow interrupted both signals. Yeah, I mean that's That's exactly

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing, okay, is that you would think that if

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 1>somebody was investigating this and they went, oh, you know,

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it's funny w g N and w T t W

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>their studios are close together, and their transmitters are close together,

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and funny thing is there's another studio directly in between them.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should check that. But that's not the case.

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell, there wasn't another TV

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>studio between the pair of them. So again, how would

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>that person have overridden the signal? Yeah? And then and

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>then the next problem is is that say say it

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>does it from w g N earlier in the evening

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and then between in that and eleven eleven plus o'clock,

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>they think people are gonna be showing up the studio

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to find out what the hell happened with the earlier

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>they did. Actually, that's the things the studios the first studio,

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.399
<v Speaker 1>w g N, they knew they'd been hacked because by

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.799
<v Speaker 1>switching channels they were done. I believe it was w

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>t TW. They were positive it was an inside job,

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>and they freaked out and they combed the building, presuming

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that somebody had gone through and switched the feed internally

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 1>rather than overpowering the signal, which I think they kind

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 1>of wasted valuable time in doing that because they could

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>have been trying to figure out where it had happened.

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they were. They were convinced that it was

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>an inside job, but there seems to be no proof

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of that. There's nothing that we can say. You know,

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a videotape or a beta cassette tape. If you don't

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>what a beta cassette tape is, look it up WI.

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>A beta or a VHS tape was not found anywhere.

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, that smoking tape wasn't there, Okay. Next, the

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>next theory, which I know Devon likes this one because

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Devon actually led me down the path to find which

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad you did because this is this is

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a very fun one. The first the story first

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 1>came out actually on Reddit, so we went from Fortune

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 1>to Reddit, which devinviously says redit spore Web and a

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>guy who we eventually find out his name is Bowie Pogue.

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>He posted his theory of what was going on, and

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 1>here's his story. He says that he met a group

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 1>of guys in the late eighties that were older than

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.760
<v Speaker 1>he was. It sounds like he was a high school

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>kid at the time. One version of the story. He

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, I think there's only one version of this story,

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 1>the redded version, and yeah, I think it's junior high

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to high school. He's weird teenage adolescents. And I don't

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>remember how he met these guys either, but it was

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>some weird way. Yeah, it was a weird way while

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>he was to BBSs and stuff like that, and he

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>seems to have met people through that that spear stuff.

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a weird nerd scene. It was

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a new scene. It's a weird nerd okay, now it's okay.

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Really threw me off my game. But somehow he befriended

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys in a group that were older

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>than he was, and they let him hang out. And

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the two particular people of interest in this story, Poe

0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>refers to him as J and K. He's protecting their

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>their identities. He doesn't want to disclose who they are

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>because he doesn't know this for sure, and we'll get

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 1>into some of it later on. But according to him,

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>JA was slightly autistic, or he might have had Asperger's

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it's unclear, and he doesn't even seem to be positive

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of the distinction in his descriptions, So I don't want

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to draw guesses. Yeah, we have no The only thing

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.880
<v Speaker 1>we have is that exactly describes him. He's got a

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of strange effect. He does strange effect that necessarily

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 1>mean he did have any kind of thing. He kind

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>of could have just been like a weird dude. He

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 1>just had a personality disorder. Yeah, but he did have

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a strange sense of humor. And the guy that is

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 1>referred to as K was his brother, and K helped

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.359
<v Speaker 1>take care of J. If you I don't think we're

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 1>going to post the link to this on the website.

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Our way to the reddit thread, because if not, I

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>was just gonna say, if you're interested, like message us

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'll make sure we send it. Because it's with

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 1>a few Google Max headroom broadcast interruption, one of the

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 1>first links that comes up is the reddit thread, so

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>people can find it that way. I don't know if

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>it'll be one of the ones that we put up

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>because it's in a number of the other links that

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>we've got, but the thread is super easy to find.

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I Devin told me about it, I went home, I

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>just put in that search term and I kid, you not.

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>It was the third one that came up on the SAE.

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>If you're on Reddit, message us, then we'll send it

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>to him. Okay, okay, do that. On the day of

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the interruption, he hung out with these guys, the same

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>group of older guys, and in the course of their conversation,

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>and again this is a truncated version of this story,

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>but they mentioned in conversation that something big was going

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.879
<v Speaker 1>to happen that night, and when he eventually asked him

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>what they were talking about, he told him, well, watch

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Channel eleven tonight. That was the same night as the

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>broadcast interrupted. No on that day, exactly around there. Okay.

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Po goes on to describe, and this is part of

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the compelling evidence that he provides is he goes on

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>to describe the mannerisms of j which he feels are

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>directly reflective of the behavior of Max in the tapes

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that we see. He also says that Ka the brother

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of computer technology available in their apartment,

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>tons of computers, and Jay had the technical knowledge to

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:02.399
<v Speaker 1>pull it off. One thing that he does point out

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 1>is that if it is J on the tape, he

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 1>would have been the right age to know the theme

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:16.359
<v Speaker 1>song from Clutch Cargo, which again from the nine sixties. Yeah,

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.839
<v Speaker 1>because they were they were older guys. They weren't late teenagers,

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.759
<v Speaker 1>they were adults. Yeah, And and Jay was supposed they're

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>like in his early thirties. Even he was liked than

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>his brother Kay seven. We're talking if he was born

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>in sixty were talking a thirty something year old guy. Yeah, Yeah,

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean some shows they ended, they

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>go into syndication and they get rerun endlessly on some

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of the secondary channels. Haven't I don't know Clutch Cargo,

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>but there were there were a lot of shows like

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek, for example, got rerun endlessly local station. So

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>about Clutch Cargo, you know, frankly, even though I was

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.399
<v Speaker 1>alive in the sixties, I don't remember it at all.

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't know. And it doesn't strict me

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:00.799
<v Speaker 1>as something that went up in ran And of course

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties we didn't have like Hulu and

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Netflix and stuff like you would have had to see

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 1>it on TV or have parents who owned vhs of

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it or something. And you know, that's actually something that

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.439
<v Speaker 1>we didn't talk about. The reason that people have this

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 1>is that a lot of people had VHS and they

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:24.879
<v Speaker 1>liked Doctor Who's all these people in Chicago were recording

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the Doctor Who episode, So that's the only reason that

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the broadcast interruptions survived. I would say that's also the

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 1>reason that that one is so much more prevalent on

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the internet than the news one, because who tapes the news. Yeah, no,

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 1>there's I've only seen one copy of it, and it's

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously it's the same one, starts at the same place,

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 1>ends at the same place, But there are multiple versions

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Doctor Who. So there's a lot of people.

0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:54.760
<v Speaker 1>That's reason You're absolutely right that we still know about.

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.879
<v Speaker 1>But we're not done with post story, like I said,

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and he has said very openly and adamantly in his

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Reddit posts that he doesn't want to disclose who these

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 1>guys are. He has tried to get in contact with them,

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and they are non commutative with him communicative, thank you.

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I really don't know how to say that work. They

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>will not talk to him, and so he's left it

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>at that, and he won't he won't push anymore. There's

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a great Motherboard article which I know we will put up,

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and that person has also agreed to to not try

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to pursue it anymore. He actually use pose his source

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and Poke Poe not Edgar Allan Pope, but he mean,

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 1>so we don't know who it is. And on a

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 1>related note, Pope also denies vehemently that he is the

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>person who did the interruption. The people who did that. Yeah,

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.439
<v Speaker 1>it's and we see this, and I'm glad that he's

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 1>smart enough to say this, as we see people all

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the time, oh, I know who did it to stir

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.720
<v Speaker 1>up a lot of a lot of interest in the story,

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:12.720
<v Speaker 1>when really they're the one who did it. They're getting

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 1>some self gratification out of it. So it's it's I

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>lend him a little bit of credit for in his

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>initial things saying I did do this, so stop asking

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.400
<v Speaker 1>me if I did it. I think, you know, the

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 1>reason I pointed you to this thread was because I

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 1>thought his story was actually very compelling. I didn't have

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of problems with it. I found it

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 1>very believable. I did too, and I'm not sure that's

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really this positive, but yeah, I don't know. At

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 1>the very least, it's it is very believable. I think

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 1>he's got his facts in a row, and I think

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the way he tells it is very honest, and I

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 1>think the way that he has continued to respond to

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.399
<v Speaker 1>it seems very honest as well. You know the fact

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that he says, I don't want you to know who

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>these people are. I just want you to know that.

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I think, I know, you know, I want to tell

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the story of the people behind it, and sticks to

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 1>his guns about that, and I think, I don't know.

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I like the story. I will be honest. I think

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I said this before, is that it's all circumstantial. Oh, absolutely,

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 1>it's all anecdotal. It's that's my hardest Absolutely, that's the

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>one thing that sticks in my craw the whole way

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>through his version of events is it's his version of events.

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing to back it up with. So that

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I like it. I agree with you. I like it. Fairness,

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no solid evidence pointing towards literally anybody. I wouldn't

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:49.720
<v Speaker 1>say that. Oh oh, you wouldn't say that. Oh okay,

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Mr know it all says stuff posting the show. What

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>how what what you found? Well, if you had been

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:01.839
<v Speaker 1>old enough to watch Max Headroum, I don't kidding. Now,

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. The last theory that I've got, which this

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>is The one that I actually think is the best

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>one based on what we have available to us, is

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that it was a disgruntled employee or ex employee. And

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 1>and before you your wig out on me, bear with

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.399
<v Speaker 1>me through this, okay. Could have been an inside job,

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:27.800
<v Speaker 1>so the station might have been correct in looking around

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>internally for who the guy was, but it might not

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>have been a guy actually in the studio because, if

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, whoever pulled this off had to

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of working knowledge of how the TV

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:49.399
<v Speaker 1>stations worked. And who else has the better information than

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the people that work in the studio or the engineers

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that work at the station. So if some dude is

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>peeved did his boss or gets fired and wants to

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 1>poke them in the eye, this is an easy way

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to do it, and they would have the knowledge on

0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>how to do it. Think about this. Wait, wait, I

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.080
<v Speaker 1>see that look, But bear with me. Do you remember

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 1>all those lines that we read of what Max said

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the world's greatest nerds and uh talking about Chuck Swartsky

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Who is the network that keeps

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:34.240
<v Speaker 1>getting ripped on? In all of the lines that Max says,

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>h w g N, Well why did he go? Why

0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.400
<v Speaker 1>did Max go to w T t W because w

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 1>g N shut him down and locked him out and

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:48.879
<v Speaker 1>he only had the opportunity to make it happen at

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>w T t W. Well, if Max was angry at

0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 1>all TV stations or all Chicago stations, I would think

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 1>that there would be more rips on, more characters that

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:09.760
<v Speaker 1>were known in the broadcast industry there. But instead, the

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:15.280
<v Speaker 1>only people and the only establishments that get directly ripped

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<v Speaker 1>on our w g N and its employees Coke is

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<v Speaker 1>Coke is because it's I think, honestly, it's a direct

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<v Speaker 1>relation to the Max Headroom character doing the new Coke

0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 1>commercials just for fun. But all of the all of

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the dialogue is aimed mostly at screwing with them, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes me think that it had to be some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of employee, somebody that knew the system and knew all

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of that internal information. I mean, w g N, I'm sorry,

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 1>did who knew that that stood for World's Greatest Newspaper?

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Probably only people that worked there, because it was probably

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>splattered all over the walls on motivational posters and crap

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.840
<v Speaker 1>like that. So that's that's why I personally, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any evidence, but there's not a lot of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>here to start with, but we kind of That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I leaned that direction mostly when you think about it, Yeah,

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the that at least gives a motive, because otherwise, what

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>exactly is a motive for doing this besides just being

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>an as Yeah, I guess, but I guess like on

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, is what's the motivation for being a

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>crazy Max Headroom? Right? If you're a disgruntled employee, like

0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you just knock him off the air for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's the fact that you do

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<v Speaker 1>this like weird crazy broadcast that's sue disjointed and mind melty,

0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 1>what's the point behind that as well? Right? So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit of a either side. I'm not

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.560
<v Speaker 1>going to disagree with that at all. There's not I

0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know why it wasn't Mickey Mouse. It could have

0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 1>been Mickey Mouse, a mask that the guy had been

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>wearing doing something. It could have been a Nixon mask.

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it could have been anybody. It could have

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>been anybody, and it may have been that they went,

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 1>oh hey, I happened to have a Max Headroom mask

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:17.280
<v Speaker 1>from Halloween last year. Let's make it max Headroom. Obviously

0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a real high budget film, right, it wasn't. Yeah,

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>but I think that if we wait like another years

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and he'll leave, he'll leave as part of this, as

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>part of as a state and envelope. That's got a confession,

0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>but I guess. So that's my big argument for the

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Reddit thread is at least it explains why because it

0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>was kind of mentally adduled youth, that screwy sense with

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, people who are interested in hacking into things,

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:56.920
<v Speaker 1>exploring how far they can push that with this weird

0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 1>crazy this would be hilarious sense of umer right, So

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that's why that one sticks out more than

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<v Speaker 1>even a disgruntled employee. Not that I'm saying that a

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<v Speaker 1>disgruntled employee isn't valid, because it's almost just as valid.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's why I just to like wrap it up

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<v Speaker 1>like their addit theory the most you want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>A fun fact. Okay, if anybody watches the video, we've

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<v Speaker 1>already talked about the corrugated piece of metal, and it

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<v Speaker 1>took me a little bit, awhile, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>time to understand what I was reading is that the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI got involved in the case federal, it's a federal offense,

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<v Speaker 1>and they figured out somehow. They were like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be an a warehouse, and we got to

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<v Speaker 1>look for a place that deals in manufactured garage doors.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kept looking at the piece of metal that

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<v Speaker 1>was spinning around, going, that's not a garage store, you

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<v Speaker 1>ding dongs, that's a piece of corrugated metals. Out of

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<v Speaker 1>that of course, get it metal though, But I figured

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<v Speaker 1>it out earlier today is if you watch that video

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<v Speaker 1>when Max is talking at the camera and the piece

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<v Speaker 1>of metal is spinning back and forth, and you watch

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<v Speaker 1>the upper right hand corner of the video when the

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<v Speaker 1>square spins, it reveals what's actually behind it, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see what looks like a stone or steel column

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<v Speaker 1>and then a giant roll up steel door apport a

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<v Speaker 1>very small part of what looks like a roll up door,

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<v Speaker 1>And that I think is where they pulled that, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can see it in the documentary. I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>on the video too. But the problem is is that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of commercial buildings around that have roll

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<v Speaker 1>up doors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know where they thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to get with this. Yeah, that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>that's but it's a fun fact. So obviously everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>paused us at some point watch the video because they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't take it anymore. Now they're going to depose it

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<v Speaker 1>and look again for that, but this time, please keep

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<v Speaker 1>the audio off. You guys, got any other theory ideas? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we have gone on long enough, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to finish this one up. Yeah by everybody, really