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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways, I don't just stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to. Welcome again to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Thinking Sideways. As always, I am Steve, and of

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Speaker 1: course I'm joined by Devin and Joe, and once again,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, I know it's hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: We've got a strange case. Believe it or not, I

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Speaker 1: know it's hard to believe, believe, believe a huge mystery.

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Speaker 1: Today episode is brought to you by I Believe. Well,

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Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about is today is the

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Speaker 1: Max Headroom broadcast interruption. Everybody remembers the eighties, right, not really? Well? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not? Yeah? Well you know, if if you don't,

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Speaker 1: you're missing out on a lot of iconic TV shows

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Speaker 1: and characters, specifically the character named Max Headroom. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: actually liked that show a lot. I did too, I

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Speaker 1: did too, Max headroum. He was the first quote unquote

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Speaker 1: digital character on TV and uh though really there wasn't

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Speaker 1: Why well, why didn't he do it? That's not his voice?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? You know? You guys asked that every

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Speaker 1: time you meet somebody in public like fan probably I'm sure, Well,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, this isn't an episode about eighties

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Speaker 1: TV or my favorite eighties TV shows, which there are

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Speaker 1: what TV was like back in the seventies and the

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Speaker 1: You young whiper snappers should really appreciate what you've got.

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Speaker 1: It sucks, Yeah, that's what I hear. Yeah, Oh well,

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about is we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: of the character being used, and what is sometimes referred

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Speaker 1: to as the best hack of all time of broadcast television.

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Speaker 1: Technically it's not really a hack so much as an

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Speaker 1: intrusion whatever. Tomato tomato depends on your perspective. I guess now,

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Speaker 1: before we get too far into this, I do want

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Speaker 1: to thank our listener. Yah see. I believe it's how

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Speaker 1: the studio. And people could do this relatively inexpensively on

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Speaker 1: their own. And the brand new equipment for TV stations

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Speaker 1: costs tens of at the time was tens of thousands

427
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Speaker 1: of dollars. But you could get older equipment second hand

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Speaker 1: at an affordable price for a ham radio guy or

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Speaker 1: somebody who's into that an enthusiast. It wasn't a huge cost,

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Speaker 1: and you didn't need a massive satellite dish, you know

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Speaker 1: direct TV, those silly little dishes that people put on

432
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Speaker 1: their houses. That's all the big of a dish you

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Speaker 1: would have needed to use to broadcast at that transmitter

434
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Speaker 1: to to bust in. Okay, the first signal interruption that

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Speaker 1: we talked about, which was at w g N and

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Speaker 1: the Sports news section, that that only lasted that ten

437
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Speaker 1: actual ten twenty second time frame because as soon as

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Speaker 1: Dan Rone got interrupted in the screen went black and

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00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: then Max came on. One of their engineers was pretty

440
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: quick on his feet and he changed their frequency so

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Speaker 1: that they were transmitting in a different frequency. The transmitter

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Speaker 1: knew suddenly it should be getting this other frequency, so

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Speaker 1: it ignored the interrupted signals. So that's why one was

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Speaker 1: so very short for w t p W channel eleven. Uh,

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Speaker 1: somebody was asleep at the switch. Somebody sleep at the

446
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: switch not so fast, So that's why that one went

447
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: on so long. But as I was saying earlier to you, Devn,

448
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: this this wasn't the first broadcast interruption. If we look

449
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: at ACTAE, just a lot of them. Oh yeah, well,

450
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I only want to call out a couple of them

451
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: that I found fun or kind of humor. We've got.

452
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Speaker 1: April twenty second six, a guy by the name of

453
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: John McDougald jammed HBO signaled if you're from that era,

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Speaker 1: you will remember the color bar screen that meant that

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Speaker 1: something was wrong or the station was off the air.

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Speaker 1: And what he did is he presented that color bar

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Speaker 1: with lines of text on top of it, and the

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Speaker 1: text read good evening HBO from Captain Midnight, twelve dollars

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Speaker 1: a month, no way showtime movie channel Beware and that's

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00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: out there for minutes. Yeah, though he didn't use a

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Speaker 1: radio jam reminder standing as he was working at a

462
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Speaker 1: satellite uplink location and he just switched the satellite. He

463
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Speaker 1: just basically rotated a dish over to point he worked

464
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Speaker 1: with satellites. He also got he got busted, obviously fine,

465
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Speaker 1: and he got like a year or so is probation.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how they figure out who did it, because

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Speaker 1: he used some usual text encoder to make the text

468
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Speaker 1: that was on the screen. That's how they figured it out.

469
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Speaker 1: And that's how they busted this guy. Yeah, and then

470
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: there was another guy who got busted just because he

471
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Speaker 1: was shooting his mouth off and he would have got

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Speaker 1: away with it. I can't remember which guy that was.

473
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Speaker 1: That one I don't know, but the one, the other

474
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Speaker 1: one I want to talk about, which I find a

475
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Speaker 1: little humorous based on what it is and who got it,

476
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Speaker 1: is September, a gentleman by the name of Thomas Haney.

477
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Speaker 1: I believe it's how you pronounced it. He interrupted Playboy

478
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Speaker 1: TV signal with text messages telling viewers to repent and

479
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Speaker 1: find Jesus. It's funny, you know. The one that comes

480
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Speaker 1: to mind for me is the one where, uh, gosh,

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Speaker 1: it was some fairy young children's show this Yeah, and

482
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Speaker 1: I think you know it's the exact opposite of you

483
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Speaker 1: were just telling about. Yeah, mine's funny, yours is just yeah, thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks for that. I just remember because I was in

485
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Speaker 1: preschool at the time. You're watching the show when it happened. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: you know it wasn't local liar to Okay, let's move on. Normally,

487
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: this would be the point where in this episode, since

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Speaker 1: it is sponsored by Audible, I would tell you about

489
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Speaker 1: a book that's inaudible that's related to this story. Unfortunately,

490
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Speaker 1: I couldn't find one, so I thought i'd tell you

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Speaker 1: something different. See it doesn't go with the natural flow

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. I'll turn it around. Trust me, bear

493
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Speaker 1: with me, as you too know, but our listeners don't. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This weekend I took a plane ride to the East

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Speaker 1: Coast and back, so I had nothing to do, so

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Speaker 1: of course I went ahead and pulled the book off

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Speaker 1: of Audible. You signed up for your free trial, signed

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Speaker 1: up for a trial, and I listened to I got

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Speaker 1: a Neil gam In book. I don't know if gaming

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Speaker 1: or guyman I can never mind. It's gaming okay, And

501
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you two ever read

502
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: any Neil Gaman man um it's uh, it's kind of

503
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Speaker 1: sci fick fiction. It's it's fun, it's light reading. And

504
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: I knew that's what I was gonna want for hours

505
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Speaker 1: and hours on a plane, and so I got Ocean

506
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Speaker 1: at the End of the Lane, which was a great book.

507
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: So if you're in the game and you haven't read

508
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Speaker 1: that one, I get it, especially since it's narrated by him,

509
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. He's got a great voice and

510
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: it's funny. As I was listening to it, I really

511
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Speaker 1: thought a couple of times, is this really Neil Gaming

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Speaker 1: or is this the guy that played Servius Snake in

513
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Speaker 1: the Harry Potter movies, because man, yeah, his voice just

514
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Speaker 1: kind of a time sounds like that. So it was

515
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Speaker 1: really interesting. But as I was looking through the other

516
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Speaker 1: book that I am a Scott was Chariots of the

517
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Speaker 1: Gods by a guy named Eric. Yeah, that one about

518
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Speaker 1: aliens coming to Earth. I remember I read that when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, and it looked really interesting. But

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Speaker 1: it seemed too heavy for a plane ride. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: it's not that heavy. Well, it was much longer than

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Speaker 1: the Neil Gaming book, so I went with the Neil

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Speaker 1: Gaming Book, but it seemed easier to pay attention to

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Speaker 1: on an airplane. But if you guys want to download

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Speaker 1: a Neil Gaman book or Chariots of the Gods or

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Speaker 1: to audible podcast dot com slash thinking sideways. I mean it,

529
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Speaker 1: it really helped me with the plane ride. I probably

530
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Speaker 1: spent an hour perusing their library before actually downloaded something,

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00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: because it's a hundred or a hundred fifty thousand titles

532
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: and growing the app. I actually put the app on

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Speaker 1: my tablet, which I gotta admit most player apps drive

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Speaker 1: me nuts. And what I really liked about this one

535
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Speaker 1: is that when my Divide, when the tablet was asleep

536
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Speaker 1: and I woke it up, the player was on the

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Speaker 1: wake screen, so I could quickly and easily posit or

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Speaker 1: or rewind it a little bit, which so many people

539
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: dropped the ball on that, so I was really happy

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Speaker 1: that that was there. But yeah, it was. It's a

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Speaker 1: really good sight. So I like the player a lot.

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Speaker 1: But if you guys want to start that trial again,

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545
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: so guess that doesn't really tie right back into the

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Speaker 1: theory section. I don't know is your next theory? It's aliens. No,

547
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: don't crid what is your next theory? The first theory

548
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: that I have is specific to one person, which doesn't

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Speaker 1: tie you into Aliens or Neil Gaiman or anybody. No,

550
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: unless it Neil Gaiman. Was it Nail Neil Gaiman? No,

551
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, yes, it was Neil Gaiman. The first

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00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: theory is that it was Neil Gaiman. Okay Stopporn. Our

553
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: first theory is that it's a guy by the name

554
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: of Eric Fournier. People think that Eric Fournier is responsible

555
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Speaker 1: for the whole thing, and the reason is for near

556
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: just some weird stuff. He's got a YouTube channel. He

557
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: makes really strange videos. He as an adult, dresses up

558
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: in odd costumes and wears a doll's mask. He's, by

559
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the way, cut the bottom of the mask off and

560
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: duct taped it together so that when he talks, the

561
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: mouth moves uh. And he talks to the camera as

562
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: a character called shay st John. He moves around radically.

563
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: There's weird, high pitched voices, and he flails around that

564
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: The gesture style is similar to what is in the

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Matt's Headroom video. It's weird. I watched a couple of

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Speaker 1: four years videos, these shayse St John videos, and there

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I got admit a little disturbing, and I didn't get

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00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: them at all because the costume is always in kind

569
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Speaker 1: of various states of disrepair and wigs that are ratty.

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00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: It's just odd. So the story, though, is that in

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Speaker 1: the eighties. In the mid eighties, four years a young

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00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: man I think he was in his late teens at

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Speaker 1: this point, was in a band and he wanted to

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Speaker 1: get exposure for the band. Oh you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: great way to do that is not mentioning your band

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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, well what he did, no, no, this

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Speaker 1: is years ago, not not the new videos that he's

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Speaker 1: doing now. This was for the band and then um

579
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: but he uh, his original intention was to make a

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00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: video promoting the band, and then he was going to

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00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: interrupt the signal and he was gonna put it in

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Speaker 1: there some people there in Chicago learned about his band,

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00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: and then at the last minute realized what a dumb

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00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: idea of that was because it was gonna come back

585
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: on him super fast. So at the last minute changed

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00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: it up and made the Max Headroom video. Problem is,

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00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: for near was in his teens at the time, and

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00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: according to his friends, he a wasn't in Chicago to

589
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Speaker 1: be able to pull this off, and me didn't have

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Speaker 1: the technical know how to make it happen. So it's

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Speaker 1: a weak link. I think really it's because people watch

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Speaker 1: these kookie videos and this these weird erratic gestures and

593
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: movements and presume that that must be the same person.

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00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I honestly think the part of the videos at four

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Speaker 1: Near does. They're sped up at times, so it looks

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00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: like a person just normally leaning forward leaning back looks

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00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: like a very abrupt, jerky motion because the track has

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Speaker 1: been messed with. So I think that's why people think

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00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: that it's four near. But I don't buy it. I

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00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: agree with you. Okay, Sorry, I was just sitting here

601
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Speaker 1: googling because I know you hate when I do that, right, Well, no,

602
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I was just the name sounded Familier and it was

603
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: from a creepy pasta that I had read, and that's fine.

604
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: But now he is dead. He died in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Who am I thinking of somebody from four chand maybe

606
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: probably that's what it is. I'm getting the two mixed

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00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: up because okay, yeah, that's my bad. Yeah, screwed up.

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00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Thank you for correcting me. You're welcome. My googling during

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: shows pays off filing. She's not just facebooking. Yeah, okay,

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00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: so I'm an idiot. Okay, well that would feel flat.

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00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Let's move forward here. No, not the final theory, got you? Yeah,

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: let's let's do that We've got another one, which is

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: that in someone got on four Chan and shockingly claimed

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Speaker 1: that they were responsible for the entire thing. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the person who claims that they did the whole thing

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00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: really put some major holes in the story, and that's

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Speaker 1: by specifically what they said they did. The person that

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Speaker 1: claimed credit for the Max Headroom broadcast interruption on four

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Speaker 1: Chan said that they were in a TV studio and

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Speaker 1: no one else was around and they did it themselves.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that happens all the time, all the time.

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Speaker 1: The problem is is that the cameras that are in

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Speaker 1: TV studios, the quality and the caliber of them, it's

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Speaker 1: vastly superior, especially in to what is available to the

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Speaker 1: general public, or not even just that, just vastly superior

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Speaker 1: to what we saw in the broadcast. And that's exactly it.

627
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: But but did this guy say he made the film

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Speaker 1: in the TV studio? I mean, it could have. It's

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Speaker 1: possible he made the video somewhere else. And would just

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Speaker 1: bear with me on that question, because the next problem

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Speaker 1: in their their claim actually answers that. But let me

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Speaker 1: let me finish up with this, which is, yeah, as

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Speaker 1: Devin said, you know, this thing is crappy quality, So

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Speaker 1: there's no way it was done on a TV studio camera.

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Speaker 1: The other problem is, you know, I'm not even go

636
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: into why there was a piece of spinning corget and

637
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: a Max Headroum mask and a rubber finger slash fallus

638
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: in a TV studio. That doesn't sound like something that's

639
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: at the Home Shopping Network And I don't know why

640
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: that's in there, and I'm just gonna kind of leave

641
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: that alone. But at SNL and studio I could see

642
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: nowhere else could I see, although I guess not in

643
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: the studio they can have proper rooms for that stuff. Yeah,

644
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, I can't hard to imagine smuggling a

645
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: piece of corgetd tin into the into the studio too

646
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, that would that would not go buy

647
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: security easily. So back to your question. That question, Okay,

648
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: person said they did it live. There's a problem with that. Okay, Yeah,

649
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: there's a gut problem because Max goes from jumping around

650
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: and screaming with his head in the air and a

651
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: direct cut to the butt slash fly swatter scene. Okay,

652
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: if that is done live, there's no way one person

653
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: could do that, never mind that other person was standing

654
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: there there's no way that could have been done live

655
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: because it happened like that. Yeah, that's that's impossible. Yeah,

656
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: and the second person who was obviously rotating the corrugated

657
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: to him back and forth, and then you know, so

658
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: after the cat it stops rotating, so he's he's now

659
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: from impersonating a woman and with the fly swatter or she. Yes,

660
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: whether it is or is not a woman, we don't know.

661
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: We don't even know if the person playing Max Headroom

662
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: is a man or not. We're just that that's just

663
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: a kind of a supposition based on the mass. Yeah,

664
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: well in the size, and I think it's a reasonable

665
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable presumption, but it could be wrong. It

666
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: could very well be Okay, So I again, I'm completely

667
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: discounting the four chan claim responsibility that came through in Well.

668
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: The other thing about the other problem that I have

669
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: with for Chen is he said it was in the

670
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: TV studio, and he did, and he did it live.

671
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: But we're talking two different studios here and two different

672
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: radio transmitters, right right, Yeah, so sometimes managed to give

673
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: himself alone into two studios in the same evening or

674
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: somehow interrupted both signals. Yeah, I mean that's That's exactly

675
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: the thing, okay, is that you would think that if

676
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: somebody was investigating this and they went, oh, you know,

677
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: it's funny w g N and w T t W

678
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: their studios are close together, and their transmitters are close together,

679
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: and funny thing is there's another studio directly in between them.

680
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: Maybe we should check that. But that's not the case.

681
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, there wasn't another TV

682
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: studio between the pair of them. So again, how would

683
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: that person have overridden the signal? Yeah? And then and

684
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: then the next problem is is that say say it

685
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: does it from w g N earlier in the evening

686
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and then between in that and eleven eleven plus o'clock,

687
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: they think people are gonna be showing up the studio

688
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: to find out what the hell happened with the earlier

689
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: they did. Actually, that's the things the studios the first studio,

690
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: w g N, they knew they'd been hacked because by

691
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: switching channels they were done. I believe it was w

692
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: t TW. They were positive it was an inside job,

693
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: and they freaked out and they combed the building, presuming

694
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: that somebody had gone through and switched the feed internally

695
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: rather than overpowering the signal, which I think they kind

696
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: of wasted valuable time in doing that because they could

697
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: have been trying to figure out where it had happened.

698
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were. They were convinced that it was

699
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: an inside job, but there seems to be no proof

700
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: of that. There's nothing that we can say. You know,

701
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: a videotape or a beta cassette tape. If you don't

702
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: what a beta cassette tape is, look it up WI.

703
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: A beta or a VHS tape was not found anywhere.

704
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, that smoking tape wasn't there, Okay. Next, the

705
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: next theory, which I know Devon likes this one because

706
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: Devon actually led me down the path to find which

707
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you did because this is this is

708
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a very fun one. The first the story first

709
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: came out actually on Reddit, so we went from Fortune

710
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: to Reddit, which devinviously says redit spore Web and a

711
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: guy who we eventually find out his name is Bowie Pogue.

712
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: He posted his theory of what was going on, and

713
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: here's his story. He says that he met a group

714
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: of guys in the late eighties that were older than

715
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: he was. It sounds like he was a high school

716
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: kid at the time. One version of the story. He

717
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: was like, I think there's only one version of this story,

718
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: the redded version, and yeah, I think it's junior high

719
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: to high school. He's weird teenage adolescents. And I don't

720
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: remember how he met these guys either, but it was

721
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: some weird way. Yeah, it was a weird way while

722
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: he was to BBSs and stuff like that, and he

723
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: seems to have met people through that that spear stuff.

724
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: It was kind of a weird nerd scene. It was

725
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: a new scene. It's a weird nerd okay, now it's okay.

726
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: Really threw me off my game. But somehow he befriended

727
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: a couple of guys in a group that were older

728
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: than he was, and they let him hang out. And

729
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: the two particular people of interest in this story, Poe

730
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: refers to him as J and K. He's protecting their

731
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: their identities. He doesn't want to disclose who they are

732
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: because he doesn't know this for sure, and we'll get

733
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: into some of it later on. But according to him,

734
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: JA was slightly autistic, or he might have had Asperger's

735
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: it's unclear, and he doesn't even seem to be positive

736
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: of the distinction in his descriptions, So I don't want

737
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: to draw guesses. Yeah, we have no The only thing

738
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: we have is that exactly describes him. He's got a

739
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: sort of strange effect. He does strange effect that necessarily

740
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: mean he did have any kind of thing. He kind

741
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: of could have just been like a weird dude. He

742
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: just had a personality disorder. Yeah, but he did have

743
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: a strange sense of humor. And the guy that is

744
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: referred to as K was his brother, and K helped

745
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: take care of J. If you I don't think we're

746
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: going to post the link to this on the website.

747
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Our way to the reddit thread, because if not, I

748
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, if you're interested, like message us

749
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure we send it. Because it's with

750
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: a few Google Max headroom broadcast interruption, one of the

751
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: first links that comes up is the reddit thread, so

752
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: people can find it that way. I don't know if

753
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: it'll be one of the ones that we put up

754
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: because it's in a number of the other links that

755
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: we've got, but the thread is super easy to find.

756
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: I Devin told me about it, I went home, I

757
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: just put in that search term and I kid, you not.

758
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: It was the third one that came up on the SAE.

759
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: If you're on Reddit, message us, then we'll send it

760
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: to him. Okay, okay, do that. On the day of

761
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: the interruption, he hung out with these guys, the same

762
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: group of older guys, and in the course of their conversation,

763
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: and again this is a truncated version of this story,

764
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: but they mentioned in conversation that something big was going

765
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: to happen that night, and when he eventually asked him

766
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: what they were talking about, he told him, well, watch

767
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: Channel eleven tonight. That was the same night as the

768
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: broadcast interrupted. No on that day, exactly around there. Okay.

769
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: Po goes on to describe, and this is part of

770
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: the compelling evidence that he provides is he goes on

771
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: to describe the mannerisms of j which he feels are

772
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: directly reflective of the behavior of Max in the tapes

773
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: that we see. He also says that Ka the brother

774
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of computer technology available in their apartment,

775
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: tons of computers, and Jay had the technical knowledge to

776
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: pull it off. One thing that he does point out

777
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: is that if it is J on the tape, he

778
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: would have been the right age to know the theme

779
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: song from Clutch Cargo, which again from the nine sixties. Yeah,

780
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: because they were they were older guys. They weren't late teenagers,

781
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: they were adults. Yeah, And and Jay was supposed they're

782
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: like in his early thirties. Even he was liked than

783
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: his brother Kay seven. We're talking if he was born

784
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: in sixty were talking a thirty something year old guy. Yeah, Yeah,

785
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean some shows they ended, they

786
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: go into syndication and they get rerun endlessly on some

787
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: of the secondary channels. Haven't I don't know Clutch Cargo,

788
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: but there were there were a lot of shows like

789
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: Star Trek, for example, got rerun endlessly local station. So

790
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: about Clutch Cargo, you know, frankly, even though I was

791
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: alive in the sixties, I don't remember it at all.

792
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. And it doesn't strict me

793
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: as something that went up in ran And of course

794
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: back in the eighties we didn't have like Hulu and

795
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: Netflix and stuff like you would have had to see

796
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: it on TV or have parents who owned vhs of

797
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: it or something. And you know, that's actually something that

798
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about. The reason that people have this

799
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people had VHS and they

800
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: liked Doctor Who's all these people in Chicago were recording

801
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: the Doctor Who episode, So that's the only reason that

802
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: the broadcast interruptions survived. I would say that's also the

803
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: reason that that one is so much more prevalent on

804
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: the internet than the news one, because who tapes the news. Yeah, no,

805
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: there's I've only seen one copy of it, and it's

806
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: obviously it's the same one, starts at the same place,

807
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: ends at the same place, But there are multiple versions

808
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: of the Doctor Who. So there's a lot of people.

809
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: That's reason You're absolutely right that we still know about.

810
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: But we're not done with post story, like I said,

811
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: and he has said very openly and adamantly in his

812
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: Reddit posts that he doesn't want to disclose who these

813
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: guys are. He has tried to get in contact with them,

814
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: and they are non commutative with him communicative, thank you.

815
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: I really don't know how to say that work. They

816
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: will not talk to him, and so he's left it

817
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: at that, and he won't he won't push anymore. There's

818
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: a great Motherboard article which I know we will put up,

819
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: and that person has also agreed to to not try

820
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: to pursue it anymore. He actually use pose his source

821
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: and Poke Poe not Edgar Allan Pope, but he mean,

822
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: so we don't know who it is. And on a

823
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: related note, Pope also denies vehemently that he is the

824
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: person who did the interruption. The people who did that. Yeah,

825
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: it's and we see this, and I'm glad that he's

826
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: smart enough to say this, as we see people all

827
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: the time, oh, I know who did it to stir

828
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: up a lot of a lot of interest in the story,

829
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: when really they're the one who did it. They're getting

830
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: some self gratification out of it. So it's it's I

831
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: lend him a little bit of credit for in his

832
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: initial things saying I did do this, so stop asking

833
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: me if I did it. I think, you know, the

834
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: reason I pointed you to this thread was because I

835
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: thought his story was actually very compelling. I didn't have

836
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: a whole lot of problems with it. I found it

837
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: very believable. I did too, and I'm not sure that's

838
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: it's really this positive, but yeah, I don't know. At

839
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: the very least, it's it is very believable. I think

840
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: he's got his facts in a row, and I think

841
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: the way he tells it is very honest, and I

842
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: think the way that he has continued to respond to

843
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: it seems very honest as well. You know the fact

844
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: that he says, I don't want you to know who

845
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: these people are. I just want you to know that.

846
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I think, I know, you know, I want to tell

847
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: the story of the people behind it, and sticks to

848
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: his guns about that, and I think, I don't know.

849
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: I like the story. I will be honest. I think

850
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I said this before, is that it's all circumstantial. Oh, absolutely,

851
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: it's all anecdotal. It's that's my hardest Absolutely, that's the

852
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: one thing that sticks in my craw the whole way

853
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: through his version of events is it's his version of events.

854
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: I got nothing to back it up with. So that

855
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I like it. I agree with you. I like it. Fairness,

856
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: there's no solid evidence pointing towards literally anybody. I wouldn't

857
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: say that. Oh oh, you wouldn't say that. Oh okay,

858
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Mr know it all says stuff posting the show. What

859
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: how what what you found? Well, if you had been

860
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: old enough to watch Max Headroum, I don't kidding. Now,

861
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: you know. The last theory that I've got, which this

862
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: is The one that I actually think is the best

863
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: one based on what we have available to us, is

864
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: that it was a disgruntled employee or ex employee. And

865
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: and before you your wig out on me, bear with

866
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: me through this, okay. Could have been an inside job,

867
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: so the station might have been correct in looking around

868
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: internally for who the guy was, but it might not

869
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: have been a guy actually in the studio because, if

870
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: you think about it, whoever pulled this off had to

871
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of working knowledge of how the TV

872
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: stations worked. And who else has the better information than

873
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: the people that work in the studio or the engineers

874
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: that work at the station. So if some dude is

875
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: peeved did his boss or gets fired and wants to

876
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: poke them in the eye, this is an easy way

877
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: to do it, and they would have the knowledge on

878
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: how to do it. Think about this. Wait, wait, I

879
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: see that look, But bear with me. Do you remember

880
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: all those lines that we read of what Max said

881
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: the world's greatest nerds and uh talking about Chuck Swartsky

882
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Who is the network that keeps

883
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 1: getting ripped on? In all of the lines that Max says,

884
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: h w g N, Well why did he go? Why

885
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: did Max go to w T t W because w

886
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: g N shut him down and locked him out and

887
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: he only had the opportunity to make it happen at

888
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: w T t W. Well, if Max was angry at

889
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: all TV stations or all Chicago stations, I would think

890
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: that there would be more rips on, more characters that

891
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: were known in the broadcast industry there. But instead, the

892
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: only people and the only establishments that get directly ripped

893
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: on our w g N and its employees Coke is

894
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Coke is because it's I think, honestly, it's a direct

895
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: relation to the Max Headroom character doing the new Coke

896
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: commercials just for fun. But all of the all of

897
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: the dialogue is aimed mostly at screwing with them, which

898
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: makes me think that it had to be some kind

899
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: of employee, somebody that knew the system and knew all

900
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: of that internal information. I mean, w g N, I'm sorry,

901
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: did who knew that that stood for World's Greatest Newspaper?

902
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: Probably only people that worked there, because it was probably

903
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: splattered all over the walls on motivational posters and crap

904
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: like that. So that's that's why I personally, I don't

905
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: have any evidence, but there's not a lot of evidence

906
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: here to start with, but we kind of That's why

907
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: I leaned that direction mostly when you think about it, Yeah,

908
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: the that at least gives a motive, because otherwise, what

909
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: exactly is a motive for doing this besides just being

910
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: an as Yeah, I guess, but I guess like on

911
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: the other hand, is what's the motivation for being a

912
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: crazy Max Headroom? Right? If you're a disgruntled employee, like

913
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: you just knock him off the air for a little while.

914
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's the fact that you do

915
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: this like weird crazy broadcast that's sue disjointed and mind melty,

916
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: what's the point behind that as well? Right? So for me,

917
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a either side. I'm not

918
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: going to disagree with that at all. There's not I

919
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: don't know why it wasn't Mickey Mouse. It could have

920
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: been Mickey Mouse, a mask that the guy had been

921
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: wearing doing something. It could have been a Nixon mask.

922
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been anybody. It could have

923
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: been anybody, and it may have been that they went,

924
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: oh hey, I happened to have a Max Headroom mask

925
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: from Halloween last year. Let's make it max Headroom. Obviously

926
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't a real high budget film, right, it wasn't. Yeah,

927
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: but I think that if we wait like another years

928
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: and he'll leave, he'll leave as part of this, as

929
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: part of as a state and envelope. That's got a confession,

930
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: but I guess. So that's my big argument for the

931
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Reddit thread is at least it explains why because it

932
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: was kind of mentally adduled youth, that screwy sense with

933
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, people who are interested in hacking into things,

934
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: exploring how far they can push that with this weird

935
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: crazy this would be hilarious sense of umer right, So

936
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: for me, that's why that one sticks out more than

937
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: even a disgruntled employee. Not that I'm saying that a

938
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: disgruntled employee isn't valid, because it's almost just as valid.

939
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: But that's why I just to like wrap it up

940
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: like their addit theory the most you want to hear

941
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: A fun fact. Okay, if anybody watches the video, we've

942
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: already talked about the corrugated piece of metal, and it

943
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: took me a little bit, awhile, a little bit of

944
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: time to understand what I was reading is that the

945
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: FBI got involved in the case federal, it's a federal offense,

946
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: and they figured out somehow. They were like, oh, it's

947
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: got to be an a warehouse, and we got to

948
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: look for a place that deals in manufactured garage doors.

949
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: And I kept looking at the piece of metal that

950
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: was spinning around, going, that's not a garage store, you

951
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: ding dongs, that's a piece of corrugated metals. Out of

952
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: that of course, get it metal though, But I figured

953
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: it out earlier today is if you watch that video

954
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: when Max is talking at the camera and the piece

955
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: of metal is spinning back and forth, and you watch

956
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: the upper right hand corner of the video when the

957
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: square spins, it reveals what's actually behind it, and you

958
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: can see what looks like a stone or steel column

959
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: and then a giant roll up steel door apport a

960
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: very small part of what looks like a roll up door,

961
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: And that I think is where they pulled that, because

962
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: you can see it in the documentary. I noticed that

963
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: on the video too. But the problem is is that

964
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of commercial buildings around that have roll

965
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: up doors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know where they thought

966
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: they were going to get with this. Yeah, that's gonna

967
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: that's but it's a fun fact. So obviously everybody has

968
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: paused us at some point watch the video because they

969
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: couldn't take it anymore. Now they're going to depose it

970
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: and look again for that, but this time, please keep

971
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: the audio off. You guys, got any other theory ideas? Okay,

972
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: all right, Well, if you've got theories of your own,

973
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: you can always let us know. You can, of course,

974
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: go to our website, which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com,

975
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: leave a comment while you're there. Of course, you can

976
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: listen to and download the episodes directly from the website.

977
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: Very few people do that. You can actually go to

978
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: a regular place like iTunes and subscribe and download. If

979
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: you're on iTunes, take the time to leave us comment

980
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and a rating. Those are the things that help other

981
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: people find us, because that moves us up to charts.

982
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: Of course, I know a lot of people are using apps.

983
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of podcasts apps out there. There's a

984
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of streaming websites that were listed on. You can

985
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: always find us on. One of the ones I know

986
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: we are on is of course Stitcher, so you can

987
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: find us on Stitcher. Things seem to be good on

988
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: Stitcher at this point, so whole fier. Okay, it appears

989
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: to be good. Um, let's see. Of course, you could

990
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. We got the Facebook page and

991
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,280
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992
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Speaker 1: Joe likes to find his friend to say, you can

993
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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter. We are thinking sideways, so find

994
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: us on there. We try to use Twitter a little bit,

995
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: but mostly we just retweusing it. Have you well there

996
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: you go? Okay, definitely's using Twitter. So go ahead and

997
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: send us a message to me in a dater so

998
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: she has not can only do Twitter all day long.

999
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Speaker 1: It would be awesome. I don't have a job or

1000
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: anything exactly. That's what I told him to do it.

1001
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: You could send us an email. That would be good,

1002
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: actual physical email email. I know, I really I want

1003
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: somebody to send us a physical email because I've never

1004
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: seen one. They'll probably print the letter and mail it

1005
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: to us from their email. I don't know. If you're

1006
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: tapping around a rock and you throw it on That

1007
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: email address is Thinking Side Ofways podcast at gmail dot com.

1008
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Send us you if you an email. If of course,

1009
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: you did the Max Headroum interruption. You have ideas, you

1010
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: have thoughts, story, suggestions, anything, like that. We love to

1011
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: feel them all, So go ahead and send us all

1012
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: to us. And I think that's all the ways that

1013
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: you can get ahold of us. You find a new

1014
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: one and let us know. Uh that having been said,

1015
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: we have gone on long enough, and I think it's

1016
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: time to finish this one up. Yeah by everybody, really