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Just a little 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: spoiler alert there, So thank you so much for listening. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Now here's what I wanted to do, and this is 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of going to be the theme as we're in 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: the season. I probably had thirty seven people ask some 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: version of well, what happened to edwar Zeran? Or what's 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: next for LSU? Or are you down playing Mississippi State? 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: All valid questions. So let's get into this and and 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: I'll just instead of reading the individual questions, know that 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: I saw all your questions and I'm rolling them up 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: into one big snowball of terribleness for LSU Saturday and 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: wonder for Mississippi State. Here's kind of the way that 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I want to go about this. If you watched Late 43 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Kick Live, or you watch the replay videos or the 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: individual videos, you kind of already got the reaction. So 45 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: this is not a reaction show. I want to push 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: ahead a little bit. Let's start with Edwar's ran and 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: LSU probably a little bit troubling. I mean, no doubt 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: if you're an LSU fan to see what happened or Saturday. 49 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: But what I pointed out the other night, and I 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: kind of want to reiterate to set the scene here, 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: it's not so much they lost, it's the lack of 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: adjusting defensively. I'm not a coordinator by any stretch. I'm 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: not about to do a chalk talk session with you, 54 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: but it was a little bit troubling to listen to 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: football minded people. I spoke to a number of them, 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: especially defensively afterwards and said, hey, what do you think 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: about that? And they said, you see this stuff that 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Pelini was doing in the first quarter, because here he 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: is doing it in the fourth quarter, and so nothing 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: really changed there. And you know, ed Orgeron himself has 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: kind of confirmed that. He said, well, Bo was one 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: of the first people to find me after the game, 63 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: and he said, here's everything I did wrong, I gotta 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: do better. So that's troubling. I don't know if troubling 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: is the right word. I'll circle back to all this 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: as a theme in a second. But the other thing 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: that I pointed out the other night on the show, 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: and I want to reiterate, is there were a lot 69 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: of things last year that made ed Orgeron look so prophetic. 70 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: Everything he said came true, everything he touched turned to gold. 71 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: That's what it felt like in twenty nineteen. Well, that 72 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of gave him a lot of credibility, obviously with 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: me included. And so when you heard him in this 74 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: offseason leading into the twenty twenty year, when you heard 75 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: him say things, and those things were maybe dealing with 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: Miles Brennan or those things maybe dealing with the fact 77 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that he thought definitively they were in a better position 78 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: defensively now than they were when Dave Randa was there. 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: When he was saying those things, you just kind of 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: had a tendency to give him benefit of the doubt 81 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: because of last year. I think that's natural. I don't 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: think anyone should feel foolish for having done that. But 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: then you turned on the game, didn't you just like 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I did, and you saw Miles Brennan. This is a 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: one game, sample sized, don't make it anything more than that. 86 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: But you saw Miles Brennan look very confused and very 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: hesitant and obviously very indecisive. That in and of itself 88 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: is not shocking. What's shocking is we were led to 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: believe he may be much further along than that. The 90 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: other part, defensively, not even close. Derek Stingley was out, 91 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Glenn Logan was out. They had guys out, not close, 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: independent of whoever was out in this game, not close, 93 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: And so that was just a flat out misleading idea. 94 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: I will put it that way for LSU defense. Now, 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I want you to think about this. I was kind 96 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: of tossing this around as I was setting up the 97 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: show this morning. You know, it could be that Miles 98 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: Brennan has looked good in practice because going against the 99 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: unit that I saw bo Palini put on the field Saturday, 100 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: in a secondary sense, I don't know that it'd be 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: all that difficult to look good against that unit. So 102 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: it may be that that's what's fooled everyone in LSU's camp. 103 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: But that's in the past. Moving forward. What happens here. 104 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to get the state in just a second. 105 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: I think that the LSU lost Saturday, and the coming 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: season afterwards, weeks two through ten in the SEC could 107 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: be a little bit of a microcosm of what you're 108 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: going to see at a number of places. Now. I 109 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: cannot pinpoint where they're going to be. There is no 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: historical data point for this year. There is no Well 111 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: remember that nineteen sixty eight season when we had that 112 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: pandemic and everything was shot in the off season and 113 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: then we had to kind of start from scratch late, 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: and now you know everyone was kind of getting their 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: feet under it. Well, we've never seen that before, so 116 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: everyone's learning at the same time. Here, there's no historical 117 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: data point to look back on and know what to expect. 118 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: But I will tell you what I expect. I expect 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: that there are going to be some teams that end 120 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: up really good that have looked really bad. And that's 121 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: about as basic as I can say it. I remember 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: that year twenty sixteen, I want to say it was 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: when Clemson won a national championship. They went on to 124 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: win the national title and they lost to pit the 125 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: same season, and I remember how people looked at that loss, 126 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: and I remember people saying, I knew Clemson was fraudulent. Well, 127 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: they weren't that fraudulent because they won a national title. 128 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: But the point is people looked back on it and 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: they said, remember that loss to Pitt. Can you believe 130 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: this same team here that beat Alabama in the national 131 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: title game? Can you believe that that's the team that 132 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: lost to Pit. Well, it wasn't the team that lost 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: to Pit. I just want to kind of lay out 134 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: how I view a team. I view a team as 135 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: twelve versions, or in this case, ten versions of a program. 136 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: A program is much bigger than a team, But you 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: don't get the same teams every Saturday either. You get ten, 138 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: in this case, ten versions of LSU. In that season, 139 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: you got twelve versions plus postseason of Clemson. You're gonna 140 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: have the worst version of yourself one week, You're gonna 141 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: have the best version of yourself one week, and then 142 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: everything in between is kind of the sandwich that makes 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: up your season. I'm hopeful for LSU that we just 144 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: saw the worst version of them. I think it stands 145 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: to reason we probably saw the worst version of a 146 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: lot of teams in Week one. How high could your 147 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: ceiling be, I think, disproportionately higher than what it would 148 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: normally be relative to what you were in Week one. 149 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: I hope that makes sense. So LSU look terrible in 150 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of facets in week one. I do not 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: believe that the overall of LSU in twenty twenty is 152 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: just terrible. What I do think is not all teams 153 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: are ready to play. In fact, I went as far 154 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: as to tell you on the Sunday night Late Kick 155 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Live episode, I didn't even view LSU as a team. 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Yet a lot of people took that the wrong way, 157 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: which I expected, even though I tried to lay out 158 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: what I meant, I didn't mean it in any kind 159 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: of disrespectful way. I didn't mean it in questioning the 160 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: integrity or the character of anyone down there. I meant 161 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: I think it is quite literally impossible for ed Orgeron 162 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to have had his football team come together yet, And 163 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: I had some Mississippi State fans, understandably so push back 164 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: and say, what do you mean Mississippi State's gone through 165 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: the same stuff as LSU has. No, you haven't, I'm 166 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: telling you you haven't. You've gone through the same pandemic 167 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: they have. You have a new head coach and staff 168 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: in place. So in that sense, you've gone through more 169 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: in that particular compartment than LSU has. But I'm telling 170 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: you behind the scenes, LSU has gone through ten off 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: seasons worth of you know what. It was My biggest 172 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: concern remains my biggest concern. I guess because it was 173 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: validated in Week one for LSU, which was are they 174 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: going to be a football team? Had the same concern 175 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: about Tennessee. I thought so much had happened in the 176 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: off season that the minimum baseline requirement for what it 177 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: takes to have a group of individuals become a team 178 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: had not had time to happen. I don't think it's 179 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: happened at LSU yet. I think you saw a product 180 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: on the field for them in Week one that would 181 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: be the equivalent of where they'd be at in late 182 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: spring or maybe early fall camp. You're not ready to 183 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: play football at that point. You got the same players 184 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: who are going to be on your roster, who eventually 185 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: are going to contend for the SEC in any given year. 186 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: But if you were to put them on the field 187 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: at those points, that look bad. LSU look bad. Saturday, 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: so I talked about all that, and then I had 189 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people, predictably from the state side of things, say, well, 190 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: you're discrediting our win, you're taking away from our win. 191 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: You're just saying they lost it, we didn't win it. Well, no, 192 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm not. This is not an all or nothing. This 193 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: is not a one hundred zero, two or three or 194 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: four things could be true at a given time, and 195 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: at least two of them are true. Here there were 196 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: several contributing factors independent of anything in Maroon that cost 197 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: them a game, and yet you went in there and 198 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: took it to him. All of this is true. All 199 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: of it's true. So now let's switch to the state 200 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: side of things. kJ Costello was so phenomenal. I was 201 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: very impressed with the fact that one of the programs 202 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: that you probably wrote off as least likely to be 203 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: ready to go from Bell one was ready to go 204 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: from Bell one. I mean, there's no logical reason why 205 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: Mike Leech should be able to walk into the SEC 206 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: and Starkville, Mississippi new quarterback as well, so it knew everything, 207 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: everything's new and be able to go on the road 208 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: and perform like that. There's no logical reason for that. 209 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: And so what do you do. You tip your cap 210 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to them, you clapform, you are in awe of them. 211 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: That was very, very incredible to watch. So what I 212 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: wonder moving forward Saturday is Saturday, It's done. Moving forward, 213 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: what I wonder is when I watch the manner with 214 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: which they were able to dissect LSU and to be 215 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: honest with you, if Mike Leach were honest with you, 216 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: which he doesn't have a problem doing, I think he 217 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of kind of said something along these lines Saturday. 218 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: I think what they were able to do was a 219 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: lot easier than they thought it was going to be 220 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: able to be done at So what I say that 221 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: for is not to take away anything from Saturday. A 222 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm talking, when I'm doing these shows, 223 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm not so much trying to explain a game. I'm 224 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: not so much trying to make excuses for anything. I'm 225 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: thinking in forward mode. I'm thinking about how what we 226 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: saw impacts future games. So you got to understand when 227 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about those sorts of things within the context 228 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: of Mississippi State, I'm not trying to discredit anything you did. 229 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to look ahead and say, is that duplicable? 230 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Is what we saw them do Saturday going to be 231 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: duplicated against Auburn or Georgia or Alabama. Because if it's not, 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't really care about it past last Saturday. If 233 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: it is going to be able to be duplicated, then 234 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we've got a very very big 235 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: surprise contender on our hands here in Mississippi State. And 236 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, is my point, But I look back 237 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: at what they were able to do Saturday, and I 238 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: look at the press man across the board, and I 239 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: look at the inability or unwillingness in the mind of 240 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: Bo Polini, new defensive coordinator at LSU, to switch to 241 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: any kind of pattern matching or zone schemes, and I 242 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: think to myself, everyone else is going to do that. 243 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Bo Polini coached that thing like 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: he was stuck in two thousand and seven, the last 245 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: time he was down here, last time he was a 246 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. That's how they played, and there was a 247 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: reason for it. No one threw the ball like this, 248 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: no one. You've got a point now where even LSU 249 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: tries to throw the ball like that, maybe not to 250 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: that extent. They had over like they had over six 251 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: hundred passing yards and ten to fifteen rushing yards when 252 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: you account for sack yardage. So that was yeah, that 253 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: was pretty extreme. My point is, let's let things calibrate 254 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, and then let's revisit what everyone's saying 255 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: about the air raid taking over the SEC and SEC 256 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: not being able to handle this and Mike Leach about 257 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: to do all that. I don't know that I've drawn 258 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: any of those conclusions after Week one. Fascinating goings on 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: though in the SEC West. I looked at Lane Kiffen 260 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: and what they did even in a loss against Florida. 261 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I look at Mike Leach and what they did in 262 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: a resounding win against LSU, and I thought to myself, 263 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: where is the where's the easy out over there? Where's 264 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: the layup over there? You look at Ohio State schedule, 265 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: for example, and there are four games, five games you 266 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: circle and go, okay, well, they're in their four touchdown 267 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: favorite here, twenty four and a half point favorite there. 268 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: And there are gonna be games where Alabama's favored by 269 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: three touchdowns against teams. But the thing about it is 270 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: those teams are going to be able to score big 271 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: numbers potentially Lane Kiffin and the old mess Rebels. You're 272 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: not holding them to single digits. That's not happening, Mike Leach, 273 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Mississippi State, Dido. And that's even if you're favored big 274 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: against them. I don't know that there's an easy win 275 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: over there. Where is it? I don't know. If you 276 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: find it, let me know. So another thing that a 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: lot of you wanted to talk about, and this kind 278 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: of has played out since we did the Sunday Night 279 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: Show was Georgia Who Goes on the Road? And what 280 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: a tail of two has that was? And they beat 281 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Arkansas in the end, they beat him going away. I 282 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: think thirty seven to ten was the final, and there 283 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: are quarterback issues there. Stetson Bennett came in in replacement 284 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: of Dewan Mathis Saturday and ended up steadying things, riding 285 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: the ship, and they ended up getting on the scoreboard 286 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: a comfortable win. There wasn't a whole lot of comfort 287 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: in Georgia Nation when they were leaving Fayetteville, Arkansas. You 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: could hear it in everyone's voice. You could hear it 289 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: in Kirby Smart's voice, and Stetson Bennett, you would presume 290 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: was going to be the starting quarterback this Saturday when 291 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: they play Auburn at home. Well, then we get a 292 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: headline yesterday that J. T. Daniels has been cleared medically. 293 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: And where did we get the headline from? Was there 294 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: a leak? Did a team doctor hold a press conference? No, 295 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: it came from the most unlikely of sources, but the 296 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: most reliable of sources, and that would be Kirby Smart, 297 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: head coach, University of Georgia. If you don't know JT. Daniel, 298 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, you probably do know, 299 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: but there may be a few. J T. Daniels, a 300 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: former USC quarterback, started as a freshman, got hurt, got bypassed, transferred, 301 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: comes to Georgia in the off season when they already 302 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: have Jamie Newman. Jamie Newman no longer there. He opted out. 303 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: Looked like it was going to be J. T. Daniel's job, 304 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: but there was this pesky lingering issue of rehabbing his 305 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: knee and he had not been cleared medically, so he 306 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: couldn't start the season. So Dwan Mathis seemingly comes out 307 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: of nowhere. When's the starting job? He's out before halftime Saturday, 308 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: Deer in headlights and Stetson Bennett. Here he comes Stetson 309 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: Bennett program, guy runs scout team for him, does a 310 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: phenomenal job. Everyone there loves him. He gets his shot, 311 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: and he wins a game on the road for Georgia. 312 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: And so he looked to be the starter this Saturday. 313 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: And now JT. Daniels has been cleared, and you hit 314 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: the reset button, and now you ask, okay, well, how 315 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: does that impact Saturday? Good question. We're going to talk 316 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: about that a lot more tonight, but I do just 317 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: want to present this. I had this idea. I was 318 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: hoping that no one else picked up on it, but 319 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately they did, and it was the guy's over at 320 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: Dogs twenty four to seven. I was listening to Jake 321 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: and Kip talk about this and they had the exact 322 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: same reaction I did. My reaction was not, oh, good, 323 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: j T. Daniels is clear because we knew that was 324 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: coming at some point. We didn't know the exact day 325 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: in time, but we knew it was coming. That wasn't 326 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: my reaction, friends. My reaction was, what is Kirby Smart doing? 327 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: What's he What's he doing? Now? I'm not saying that 328 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: in the context A lot of you did yesterday when 329 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: this announcement came down, a lot of you said, oh, 330 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: how convenient. They struggle in week one and now magically 331 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback's healthy, he's cleared. I know that everyone loves 332 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: to traffick in conspiracy theory, and maybe it's true. Sometimes 333 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: it's not true. There there's nothing to do with their 334 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: performance in week one and him being cleared for week two. 335 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: Nick Saban or whoever you think is the most powerful 336 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: head coach in college football twenty twenty doesn't have that power, 337 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: much less Kirby Smart or anyone else. They don't have 338 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: that power. In nineteen sixty four, maybe they had the power. 339 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they's strong arm that team doctor and then maybe 340 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: they'd say, okay, let's get him cleared. Hey, wink wink, 341 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: he's gonna be good to go Saturday. That's not the 342 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: way this works. Now, do you understand the rain of 343 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: lawsuit terror that would come down on you if you 344 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: even attempted to do that. Everyone knows that. Every coach 345 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: knows that they don't even venture into those waters. Now, 346 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: they may act aggravated if a guy can't be cleared, 347 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: but they know not to overstep their bounds. There are 348 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: entire seminars done on this stuff. You have your career 349 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: and life threatened as a coach if you ever attempt 350 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: to interfere with medical practice and medical procedure. No one 351 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: does that, No one would ever do it. Today. Let 352 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: me stress today, I don't care what's going on in 353 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: the past. So JT. Daniels is cleared because a doctor 354 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: saw fit to clear him, and that's it, and that's 355 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: all there. But what I am reacting to is the 356 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: fact that Kirby Smart told you and told me he 357 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: never does that ever. This is a guy who couldn't 358 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: care less if you know the status of his players 359 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: or the status of anything because his theory. I'm not 360 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: critical of him because I'd probably be the same way 361 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: is you'll find out Saturday. I don't owe it to you. 362 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: This is not the NFL. They don't make me tell you, 363 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: So why would I tell you, Because if I tell you, 364 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling my opponent. But he volunteered the information this 365 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: time will No one even asked him. He said, hello, Hello, 366 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: is this thing on? J. T. Daniels is cleared? Yeah, 367 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: he's ready to play, all right, I'll take questions. Now. 368 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: Does that strike anyone as strange. Sure to strike me 369 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: as strange. You know what it said to me. I 370 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have any of this firsthand. This 371 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: is strictly speculation on my point or on my part. 372 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that J. T. Daniels is ready to 373 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: start Saturday by any stretch. What I think is I 374 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: think Kirby Smart looked at the situation and said, stets 375 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: and Bennett's probably got to start for us. We don't 376 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: know how limited we are going to be with him. 377 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: In fact, maybe we do know. Maybe we will be 378 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: pretty limited. I know he looked good Saturday, and I 379 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: know all of you love him. Let me be crystal 380 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: c in my opinion on Stetson Bennett. He does work 381 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: his tail off. He has earned everything he's gotten. He 382 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: does scratch and claw and fight. He is the kind 383 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: of guy who is integral to and the glue of 384 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: a program. All of that's true. But you know what 385 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: else is true. He is not the guy to win 386 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: an SEC championship at Georgia. Let me be crystal clear 387 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: on that. So all the accolades you guys have been 388 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: thrown at him are true. This is not the boy Scouts, 389 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: This is not whoever makes you feel the best and 390 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: feel all warm and fuzzy inside. That No, when you've 391 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: been shut out in the first half against Alabama in 392 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks because he can't move the ball, 393 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: those good feelings subside that stuff does not matter. Winning 394 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: matters and who can win for you, that's what matters. 395 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think Stetson Bennett can win at the 396 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: highest level for them. I feel I'm over the moon 397 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: happy for the guy, but I don't think he can 398 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: win at a high level for them. Kirby Smart probably 399 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: looks at it and thinks the same thing and says, 400 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: what kind of edge can we gain against Auburn because 401 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: we could lose this game Saturday. I mean, we could 402 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: lose to Tennessee, we could lose to Alabama, and we 403 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: can All these games are losable. We're favored, we're the 404 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: better team. But this is losable gamesmanship. Just what I 405 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: think that's about, and that is making Auburn prepare for 406 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: as much as you could possibly make them prepare for. 407 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: So let's float it out there. JT. Daniels is healthy, 408 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: he is cleared. That's the only thing I could think. 409 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: And if Kirby Smart made that announcement Monday, and sure 410 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: enough he trots J. T. Daniels out there to start Saturday. 411 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: I'll just come to you and say I was wrong. Again, 412 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: this is not any information that I'm being given. I 413 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think it's going to be 414 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: pretty tough to gain information out of there this week. 415 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: But that's just the first way it struck me is 416 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: what is he talking about? Why in the world, thank you? 417 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: But why in the world did he just reveal that? Now? 418 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: I do think we may see him Saturday, but I 419 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: don't know that he would be penciled in as my 420 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: starter immediately. But again, could be wrong there. We'll see 421 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: ride that fence win in doubt, ride that fence. Cole 422 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: submitted this question, how long do you think it'll take 423 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: the Old Miss defense to get back to what it 424 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: was in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, or at the 425 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: very least competitive. Do you realistically, if ever, think that 426 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: Lame Kiffin can have Old Miss back to a seven 427 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: to nine win team. Cole, you just said a lot 428 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: brother seven to nine wins. There's a big difference. They 429 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: only play twelve games on average, so you just had 430 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: a quarter season variance in your question and prediction there. Yeah, 431 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: I think you can get them to seven wins per 432 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: year range. I think it'd be very difficult to get 433 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: Old Miss to a nine win per year caliber program. 434 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Understand the difference. There are teams who sometimes win nine 435 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: games at a program that is not nine win caliber. 436 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: Texas is a good example of this. They went to 437 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl a couple of years ago. Texas program 438 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: at that point was not a new Year six caliber program. 439 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: It just so happens that the balance of the ball 440 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: and the stars aligned and there were a lot of 441 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: other factors that were removed from their path and they 442 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: ended up in a New Year six game. They were 443 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: not a new year six caliber team. Program. My bad 444 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: program where the program is is bigger than what any 445 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: one team in a given year does. I hope that 446 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: makes sense to some people. It doesn't, but I don't 447 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: know how much more thoroughly to explain it. So, Ole Miss, 448 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: if you're asking me if they can float at a 449 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: nine win caliber level for an extended period of time, 450 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: that'd be really hard to do. And here's the catch 451 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty two. If Lane Kiffin has Ole Miss at nine 452 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: wins per year, lane Kiffin's probably not at Ole Miss. 453 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: I mean, do we really believe that Lane Kiffin is 454 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: putting down roots in Oxford, Mississippi. I don't get that sense. 455 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: I know that's not fun to hear. But as for 456 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: the defense twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen, well, since we 457 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: have learned how that team was put together, so you're 458 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to go about it a different way than 459 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: that obviously. Secondly, that was the big question that I 460 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: was taking away from Saturday with Old Miss. With Florida, 461 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: I was wondering how that win and how that offense 462 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: looked could impact them in recruiting. But with Old Miss, 463 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: obviously they're not going to be hurting for points. My 464 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: biggest question was how quickly can they overhaul that defensive 465 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: roster through recruiting through transfers. How quickly can they do that, 466 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: because that'll determine really the answer to your question there, Cole. 467 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, Jeff gave a really really good question about 468 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: a team that's not even playing yet, but it has 469 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: to do directly with teams that are playing right now 470 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: and what we may see from that team because of 471 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: what we learn from teams that are playing. I hope 472 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: I haven't been unclear. We'll talk about that right after this. So, 473 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Jeff asked a question about Ohio State. 474 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: He said, I watched LSU struggle somewhat unexpectedly Saturday, and 475 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of other teams like Oklahoma looked terrible. 476 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Should I be concerned at all about all the hype 477 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: and expectations being put on my Buckeyes at Ohio State 478 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: when maybe they end up suffering the same fate, Jeff, 479 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: I think it's right for anyone to be concerned about 480 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: the unknown. But man, oh man, oh man, you'd be 481 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: very hard pressed to ever shake a magic eight ball 482 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: and show me the future. And me see Ohio State 483 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: struggling against Nebraska, for example, in Week one in the 484 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. That would surprise me, wouldn't shock me. I 485 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: think it's ignorant to allow yourself to be shocked by 486 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: anything this year, But it would surprise me. And I'm 487 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna tell you why. I don't think oh I don't 488 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: think Ohio State ever hit the pause button. In fact, 489 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: I know they didn't. They were very outward about it. 490 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of other programs in the 491 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: Big Ten did. I think a lot of folks I've 492 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: tried to make it metaphorical because I mean, you know, 493 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: that's the language everyone speaks. I was talking to Trey 494 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: Scott here we were actually recording for another podcast when 495 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: all this was going on, and it looked like the 496 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: Big ten may be coming back, and I said, Treywick, 497 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: because as we know, that's his full name, Treywick. I'm 498 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: gonna tell you what the big problem is. I'm gonna 499 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: tell you why a lot of people up there seem hesitant, 500 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: not all of them are ready. It's as if you 501 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: were training for mister Olympia, or in this case a 502 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: college football season, and then you got a call and 503 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: they said, hello there, sorry to inform you, but your 504 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: spot has been taken. There will be no Mister Olympia 505 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: this year for you. And you've been eating chicken, breast 506 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: and broccoli every day for four meals, and so you 507 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: are very deflated and you're so sad. But in your sadness, 508 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: the first thing you do is you drive right down 509 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: the road to Taco Bell and you order for chelupa 510 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: Supremes and a bunch of those little cinema twisty things, 511 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: and you get the biggest mountain dew they have, and 512 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: you just kind of let yourself go and then you 513 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: probably go get your pizza the next day, and it's 514 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: just you kind of say, all right, well, if I'm 515 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: not headed to mister Olympia, then there's no reason to 516 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: continue training like I was when I was on the 517 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: road to mister Olympia, because if I'm not headed towards 518 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: mister Olympia, then only an insane person would choose to 519 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: live that way. Same way you have to be to 520 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: get ready for college football season. Here's the problem. When 521 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: the Big Ten told them, hey, we're canceled, some teams, 522 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: I get the distinct impression, went to Taco Bell and 523 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: some teams ordered the pizza. Ohio State, they're the one 524 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: maniac who said who cares chicken, breast and broccoli every day? Anyway? 525 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: And guess what happened. Somebody called a week and a 526 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: half later and said, hey, hey, I know it's short notice, 527 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: but we got a spot open for mister Olympia. You 528 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: won in Ohio State said absolutely, And then some of 529 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: those other teams on the front facing side said yeah, 530 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: all right, Big Ten woo. But behind the scenes they 531 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: looked around and they were fat. They were fat they're 532 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: out of shape, they're not ready, and we're the first 533 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: of all is they were already gonna get kicked in 534 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: the head by Ohio State, and now you have the 535 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: added horror of Ohio State having never let their foot 536 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: off the gas. And maybe you did a little bit. 537 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: And that is why I do not expect Ohio State 538 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: to struggle all that much when Big Ten season rolls around. 539 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: If they have their version of oh You melting down 540 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: to Kansas State, I will eat my words, but I 541 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: do not believe that will happen. All right, Shane had 542 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: a good question, and I'm glad he asked, because I 543 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: would have absolutely forgotten to address this. Shane said, I 544 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: heard you say on the Sunday night Late Kick Live 545 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: show that you thought your model was right about the 546 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: Auburn Kentucky game, even though your model had Auburn winning 547 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: by less than the spread and they covered the spread. 548 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: So I'm not being sarcastic. I really want to know 549 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: what you meant by that. It's a good question, because 550 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: I forget sometimes most people don't live in this world. 551 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: Most people just live in the world of I'm a fan. 552 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch this game in the final score is 553 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: the final score. And if you predicted one thing and 554 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: that thing doesn't happen, then you were wrong. If the 555 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: thing does happen, you were right. Yeah, that's true. So 556 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: I want you I want to slowly lay out what 557 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. When I say model, what I mean 558 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: is a statistical and databased model where any game Auburn 559 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: versus Kentucky in week one, for example, we simulated in 560 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: that model one thousand times, and the entire purpose for 561 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: that model is to spit out a zero turnover variance 562 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: final score. So zero turnover variants means this all the 563 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: stuff that we put in that model we think is predictive. 564 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: We think that there is skill, at least somewhat of 565 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: a skill in properly waiting those stat categories in those analytics. 566 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Turnover there is no skill there. Turnovers are completely random occurrences. Now, 567 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: in any given year, there's going to be some team 568 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: that is better and more benefiting from turnovers, and one 569 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: team's going to suffer more from it. But in a 570 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: given year, in a given week, there is no way 571 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: to predict that. You could be plus twenty turnovers on 572 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: the season, I could be minus twenty on the season, 573 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: and when we play, I could be plus one turnovers 574 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: against you. No model would have predicted. That is my point, 575 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: So we don't predict turnovers. Every final score that our 576 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: model spits out is with an even turnover battle. There 577 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: is no turnover differential, no turnover margin taken into account. 578 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: So our model the other day had Auburn winning the 579 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: game by four points. Auburn was favored by seven to 580 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: seven and a half. They won the game by sixteen points. 581 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: Our model thought they would win by four points. So 582 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: I went on the show the other night because someone 583 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: came in the comment section and said, ooh, your model 584 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: got this wrong, and I actually said, no, I didn't. Actually, 585 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: I think I really love the way our model performed 586 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: on this game. It gave us exactly what we got. 587 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: And that person, and I understand in retrospect, said well, 588 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: you're an idiot. No it didn't because they won by 589 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: sixteen and you said four. So they won by like 590 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: four times the amount you thought they'd win by. Mathematically, 591 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: that's true, but now let me explain to you what happened. 592 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: What happened was Kentucky was minus three turnovers. And again 593 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about the ability to predict here not explaining 594 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: the game. Auburn won the game. Auburn should have won 595 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: the game. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking 596 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: about how the model performed. So the model is saying 597 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: Auburn wins by four, they win by sixteen. I'm saying 598 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: the model got it right. How could that be? Here's 599 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: how Kentucky is minus three turnovers, so Auburn is plus 600 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: three turnovers. We value, for our model's purposes, a turnover 601 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: in a college football game as being worth about four 602 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: and a half points. Now, there are varying opinions on that, 603 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: and this is very broad based explanation. With some teams 604 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: we value it more than others, but in a very 605 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: general sense, we value a turnover in college football as 606 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: being worth four and a half points a piece. Auburn 607 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: had plus three turnovers. So do the math four and 608 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: a half times three? What is it? Yes, thirteen and 609 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: a half. Correct answer. So we take the sixteen points 610 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: they won by and we subtract the thirteen and a 611 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: half and we get to two and a half, because 612 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: that is what our model looks at that final score 613 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: as it's worth. Auburn winning by two and a half, 614 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: our model saw Auburn winning by four, so it was 615 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: right in line. Our model very well understood what it 616 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: should expect in that game if turnovers weren't an issue. Turnovers, 617 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: of course, are an issue in a football game, but 618 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: that is something that there's no skill in forecasting. So 619 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: our model, when it comes to all the stuff that 620 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: there's some skill in forecasting, nailed the game. Now you 621 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: may also say, okay, but that doesn't make sense to 622 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: me because you say it was right, but yet obviously 623 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: it missed. So if you would have bet a lot 624 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: of money on what that model was saying you should 625 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: expect in the Auburn Kentucky game, you would have lost money. Right, yes, 626 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: you would have, But over the long haul, you would 627 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: have benefited from using this model's logic. I'll give you 628 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: an example, if you want to go anecdotal on me. 629 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: That model on games that we actually wagered on Saturday 630 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: didn't lose a single game. We went four oh to one, 631 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: and I did a little bit better than that behind 632 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: the scenes. And the point is you don't ever judge 633 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: the effectiveness of a model over a one game span, 634 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: or one Saturday, or even one month. This stuff is 635 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: meant to give you a positive ROI year over year. 636 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: When you get hundred, hopefully hundreds of games for a 637 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: sample size, you find out when you end up looking 638 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: at it and say, oh man, this thing is fifty 639 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: six point one percent against the spread this year. Well 640 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: that difference there, that four or five percent above the 641 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: minimum baseline you need to be percentage wise against the 642 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: number in order to profit. That's the difference. So that's 643 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: the little bitty microscopic edge that you're hoping to give yourself. 644 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes the confusion comes when I'll go 645 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: on air after a game like Auburn Kentucky and I'll say, oh, no, 646 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: model got it right here. Sometimes, and this is my fault. 647 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 1: I forget a lot of you couldn't care less about 648 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: the pointspread aspect of this stuff and the batting aspect 649 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: of this stuff. Some of you don't care about that, 650 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: So it just sounds like I'm a complete fool. And 651 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: maybe it does anyway independent of this. But if it 652 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: sounds like I'm a fool because of this, it's only 653 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: cause you and I are on different wavelengths. We're not 654 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: talking necessarily about the same thing. It's possible for a 655 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: model to predict the wrong side in a game and 656 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: have been right. It's also possible for it to predict 657 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: the right side of a game and have been wrong. 658 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: Because I can tell you right now, I will promise you. 659 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: Had my model said Auburn minus nine in that game 660 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: and they won by sixteen, I'd look at that model 661 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: and say, we got problems. And the common person would say, 662 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: what do you mean it passed with flying colors. It 663 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: said Auburn would cover, and they did. That's not a 664 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: good thing. Not a good thing. When you do the 665 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: simple equation that I just told you. When albans plus 666 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: three turnovers and they win by sixteen and you got 667 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: to subtract that thirteen and a half, as I said, 668 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: it would tell you the model was well off on 669 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: that game. So common person would say you should be 670 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: happy you won. Now, I'd look at it and say, no, 671 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm unhappy despite the fact that I won in the 672 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: short term. Here long term, that's a bad sign. Conversely, 673 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: the model actually spit out a loser in this game, 674 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: but it made me feel very confident in it moving forward. 675 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: All right, we have got a really really big show 676 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: coming up tonight. Let me give you a quick backstory 677 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: on The way that we lay our show out Sunday 678 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: Night obviously is a lot of reaction, and it's a 679 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of kind of big picture zooming out a little 680 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: bit what does this mean for the future. As well 681 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: as reaction, I also give you our first best bet 682 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: of the week of our eventual five pack in the 683 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: Rama Noodle Express. That's our philosophy on Sunday nights. Our 684 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: philosophy is it doesn't matter how much you've read on Twitter, 685 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much you've heard in postgame interviews. 686 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: You haven't heard the final story until you watch our 687 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: show Sunday night. But by Tuesday, when everyone else is 688 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: in transition mode, we're in full on next Saturday prediction mode. 689 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: And so tonight, for example, if you're listening to this 690 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: Tuesday tonight on Late Cake Live, we will be predicting 691 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: and breaking down games for this coming Saturday. We don't 692 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: wait until Thursday or Friday to do it. We do 693 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: it in the middle of the week. Part of the 694 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: reason I do that is because I don't want to 695 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: be influenced by hearing anyone else's prediction. And the second 696 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: part is I want to give you as much time 697 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: as possible to consume the content. I want us to 698 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: be at the forefront of the industry's generation of conversation 699 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: for the next week's games instead of just blending into 700 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: it or being at the tail end of it. And 701 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: by Thursday we have time to do all sorts of 702 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: fun things. So tonight, if you haven't watched Late Kick Live, 703 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: tune in live. You can watch the replay too, but 704 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: tune in live. We had record viewership the other night. 705 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: Really appreciate that, so tune in live tonight. It is 706 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: the twenty four to seven Sports to YouTube channel. We 707 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of subscriber Sunday night. If you haven't 708 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: already subscribed there. It helps us in a lot of ways. 709 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't cost you anything, it doesn't change anything, but 710 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: it helps us, helps us with analytics and tracking and whatnot. 711 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: Not you, it helps us track the progress that we're making. 712 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for all that. Jordan is 713 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: about to cut this thing up and get it out 714 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: to you as soon as I send it to him, 715 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Leave us a five star 716 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: review if you haven't already, We're about to cross seven hundred. 717 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: We want to get to one thousand. Do that. Continue 718 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: to submit your questions. If I didn't get to him today, 719 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: I will get to them, and if not, I will 720 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: answer you privately. Don't worry. I'm still getting to all 721 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: of them. It's getting harder and harder, but that's a 722 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: good thing. So for Jordan on the podcast editing side 723 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: of things, I'm Josh pat on the good old fashioned 724 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: talking side of things. We'll see you later tonight on 725 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: Late Kick Live. I have a great rest of you Tuesday, 726 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: and God bless