Speaker 1: Welcome to Bullyball, presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2: I am Rachel Nichols as always, mister DeMarcus Cousins and
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Speaker 2: are talking to you Boogie in Taiwan. You are back
Speaker 2: there with the Taiwan beer Leopards, which I learned only
Speaker 2: after your last stint is not the Taiwan beer Leopards,
Speaker 2: but the Taiwan beer Leopards. But I have to say
Speaker 2: in my heart they will always be the beer Leopards.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to make my own merch that just
Speaker 2: says beer Leopards. And that's how I'm going to appear
Speaker 2: in the podcast next week.
Speaker 1: So just be ready for that.
Speaker 3: I'm cool, we need that.
Speaker 1: How's it going over there for you so far?
Speaker 2: I saw that you got into a little, a little
Speaker 2: thing with an opposing player on their bench.
Speaker 1: But this is like little? Is this Kentucky Louisville beef?
Speaker 1: Like spilling over? Didn't he go to a little but what?
Speaker 1: What's what's happening here? What happened? Do we have a clip? Producer, Nate?
Speaker 1: Can we see the clip? Here we go?
Speaker 4: Commentary there, I've heard I've heard those words before really.
Speaker 5: A couple of seons in my day.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Jayalen Johnson man. First off, man, he
Speaker 6: was a little frustrated. You know, I put some veteran
Speaker 6: moves on him, got into some foul trouble. But in
Speaker 6: the beginning I was trying to talk to the young fella, like, look,
Speaker 6: you're taking your frustration out on the wrong guy.
Speaker 3: Should be mad at the I didn't call the fouls.
Speaker 3: I created him, but he called them.
Speaker 6: His emotions was a little all over the place, you know,
Speaker 6: he got the chirping here and there.
Speaker 3: So we had some back and forth, but at the
Speaker 3: end of the day it was hoo. We kept it cool.
Speaker 6: We shook hands at the end, and we actually ended
Speaker 6: up playing again the next night, and uh, you know
Speaker 6: it was it was a lot better of an exchange.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I think he understood. Oh sorry about that.
Speaker 6: I think he understood, you know where I was coming from.
Speaker 6: You know, just as far as you know how to
Speaker 6: play the game, how to you know, not use your
Speaker 6: hands on defense and things like that. So I understand
Speaker 6: that when it comes to this game, people get frustrated.
Speaker 6: It happens all the time. You know, you say things
Speaker 6: you don't really mean sometimes.
Speaker 4: Look at the growth.
Speaker 3: You fee you feel me though, you feel me, don't smoke.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 6: He's a talented young kid, bright future, and we're gonna
Speaker 6: keep it hooped.
Speaker 3: That's all I got to say.
Speaker 2: Look at the player you raised, though, Look look at
Speaker 2: that all those all those hours in Sacramento, all of
Speaker 2: the all the time put in there to you about temperament,
Speaker 2: I can see the game.
Speaker 4: You can take all the credit.
Speaker 5: I can't take all the credit, but you know it's
Speaker 5: about growth, and I'm happy to hear his response on
Speaker 5: what happened a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4: So shout out to the big fella.
Speaker 1: But like the bat, there you go.
Speaker 2: All right, the adventures of the beer Lepers, and yes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep calling them Matt. We will continue to
Speaker 2: follow over the next few weeks. Let's talk a NBA
Speaker 2: playoffs though, because they started over the weekend. Of course,
Speaker 2: every single home team won this weekend, which has not
Speaker 2: happened in years.
Speaker 1: So I just want to go rapid fire with you guys.
Speaker 1: Big picture. Uh, let's start with you book. What stood
Speaker 1: out to you the most?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: For me, what I've seen so far is and I
Speaker 6: may be speaking early on this, but I really feel
Speaker 6: like we're starting to see the turning point in the
Speaker 6: league to where the youngsters are, you know, starting to
Speaker 6: take over. And it's still a little early, but we
Speaker 6: saw a lot of dominant performances from you know, this younger,
Speaker 6: you know age group of guys that's coming up in
Speaker 6: our league right now, the Shades, the Anthony Edwards, the.
Speaker 3: Obviously the Lucas and guys of that nature.
Speaker 6: So I'm like I said, I may be speaking early,
Speaker 6: but I just feel like we're now about to see
Speaker 6: that shift in the in the NBA to where it's
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's the new kids on the block
Speaker 6: and they're now starting to push kind of push the
Speaker 6: older guys out. And obviously that's exciting times because it's
Speaker 6: always that question about, you know, what happens when this
Speaker 6: next group pushes out the Steph the Lebron's, Kevin Durance.
Speaker 6: You know, they are getting to that age where their
Speaker 6: days are starting to become, you know, more and more limited,
Speaker 6: and the dominance isn't as dominant as it once was
Speaker 6: at a certain time. So exciting times are head the future.
Speaker 6: The NBA is in great hands obviously. But for me,
Speaker 6: that's what I really noticed the most about the playoffs,
Speaker 6: Like even when it comes to us determining, you know
Speaker 6: what we feel like what team is gonna, you know,
Speaker 6: come out on top with these round And you know,
Speaker 6: when we think about the guys of oh, we think
Speaker 6: about those guys that were used to dominate, like I said,
Speaker 6: the Steps and obviously he's out, but you know the
Speaker 6: Kevin Durant and Lebron James, and you think about these
Speaker 6: guys and you automatically think, well, we know what they
Speaker 6: can do, we know what they've done in the past.
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's.
Speaker 6: Now to the point where you know, times are shifting
Speaker 6: and times are changing, and like I said, I think
Speaker 6: that's exciting.
Speaker 2: Well, look, Luca didn't have a great first game obviously,
Speaker 2: but yes, you could have Steph Kady and Lebron a
Speaker 2: Stipton baby maybe all out after the first round and
Speaker 2: that would be a pretty big changing in the guard.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you guys have been talking about Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2: I know y'all are proud of him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure you know he's been hearing about this game.
Speaker 5: He's looking forward to this series. He's been talking a
Speaker 5: week before about what he's going to do. When he
Speaker 5: came out and showed it, especially in the third quarter,
Speaker 5: he got every matchup he wanted. Russell Neil checked him,
Speaker 5: KD checked him, everybody checked them. But obviously no one
Speaker 5: got to stop and uh he took over the game.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where the gap in the game
Speaker 5: where Minnesota took the lead and never looked back. But
Speaker 5: my biggest concerned game going in the game too is
Speaker 5: all the role players. You know, if you look at
Speaker 5: all the home teams, all the role players played well.
Speaker 5: You name every team they won, except for probably New Orleans.
Speaker 5: I would think all seven other seven teams, I'm looking
Speaker 5: forward to their role players of what they're going to do.
Speaker 4: Teams that lost, uh, none of the role players played well.
Speaker 5: You look at a good team like Phoenix, Eric Gordon,
Speaker 5: he goes zero for five, zero points, Grayson dow and
Speaker 5: four points. You pick a team the Lakers, Ady and
Speaker 5: Brian can't play any better, uh, d Lo, Austin Reeves, Hachimura,
Speaker 5: Torrian Prince. They have to play, they have to make three,
Speaker 5: to have to shoot the ball and also just rebound
Speaker 5: the basketball. I think every team that rebound the basketball
Speaker 5: that want to rebound the edge dominate the game. So
Speaker 5: those are my big concerns. And I think if the
Speaker 5: role players player will on a road, which normally historically
Speaker 5: they don't. And I think that's why we saw this
Speaker 5: so important, that the teams wanted to get the home
Speaker 5: court advantage.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like, it's funny we're reminded every year the first week
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. Yes, all the things we always say
Speaker 2: about the playoffs are true, and that's why there is
Speaker 2: such a drop off between what we know in the
Speaker 2: regular season and what we know about the playoffs and
Speaker 2: why teams that sometimes struggle in the regular season do
Speaker 2: well in the playoffs. Like it's all true. Role players
Speaker 2: play better at home. True, we saw that right. Young
Speaker 2: inexperienced teams, you know, who are a little out of
Speaker 2: their depth and aren't used to what a playoff environment
Speaker 2: is like definitely struggle. Now obviously we're talking about some
Speaker 2: of the young stars like Anthony Edwards was incredible, but
Speaker 2: if you look at the Orlando Magic as a team,
Speaker 2: they looked like that playoff environment was like a little
Speaker 2: much for them. The Thunder, Yes, they were able to
Speaker 2: pull out the win was incredible, especially at the end
Speaker 2: of the game. You see why he's a finalist for
Speaker 2: most Clutch, certainly on my most Clutch ballot. But like
Speaker 2: they definitely looked out of their depth a little bit
Speaker 2: for big chunks of that game and a little overwhelmed
Speaker 2: even in their home amazing, I mean that environment, ok
Speaker 2: s as bonkers, you know, they still looked a little
Speaker 2: bit shaken of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So just some of that stuff we always talk about.
Speaker 2: It's a cliche for a reason, right, And that's what
Speaker 2: stuck out to me from the first weekend was just
Speaker 2: sort of like.
Speaker 1: Yep, t tick tick tick, all the things that we
Speaker 1: normally say. It is interesting all the home teams won.
Speaker 2: There is a stat that something like seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of the teams that win game one of a seven
Speaker 2: game playoff series go on to win the series. And
Speaker 2: obviously that's going to be skewed by the fact that
Speaker 2: teams that win game one are normally the better team
Speaker 2: at home, right, so of course they're going to go
Speaker 2: on to do that. But it's still a stat for
Speaker 2: a reason, and it still does tell you that seventy
Speaker 2: five percent maybe of these teams that won over the
Speaker 2: weekend will go on to win the series. We could
Speaker 2: also see a couple sweeps here. I don't know, who
Speaker 2: do you guys think is the most endanger of getting swept?
Speaker 2: Where are you on that book?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 6: Uh, I'm looking at this Lakers team.
Speaker 1: You're not saying the Celtics. I mean, you're not saying
Speaker 1: the Celtics are sweeping the heat, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Lakers with the Lakers?
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you some sanity, right, yes?
Speaker 3: But the reason is is this.
Speaker 6: This Denver team has dominated this, this Lakers team for
Speaker 6: a couple of years now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, what.
Speaker 6: The bubble year with you? So, I mean, I don't
Speaker 6: I don't really know what it hasn't well, how long
Speaker 6: has it been, to be exact, it's been.
Speaker 2: It's been two years, but it's been you know, over
Speaker 2: nine games.
Speaker 1: Games are a lot right and row.
Speaker 6: It's definitely in Denver's favor. I feel like this Denver
Speaker 6: team has they know this Lakers team. They pulled their card.
Speaker 6: They know their weaknesses, they know their strengths, they know
Speaker 6: them like the back of their hands. And it's it's
Speaker 6: kind of, you know, crazy, because we feel like every
Speaker 6: off season the Lakers build their team to match up
Speaker 6: against you know, Denver, and uh, they just haven't found
Speaker 6: that successful formula since that bubble year. So with that
Speaker 6: being said, I feel like the Lakers are great.
Speaker 1: You think it's gonna be a sweep. I mean last
Speaker 1: year was the sweep.
Speaker 6: I just don't see them. Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think the Lakers are going to win one game at home.
Speaker 6: Don't.
Speaker 5: I don't see again, played a hell of a game.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can continue to match that.
Speaker 5: But I have seen a match player at the level
Speaker 5: and maybe there huh.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we need fifty from both of them to.
Speaker 5: Get a win, and they no, no, no, no, they they
Speaker 5: gotta do what they just did. But the d Los,
Speaker 5: I bet de Loo won't go with six for twenty,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: The Delo can definitely play a better game.
Speaker 5: No, he's definitely gonna play better game. Austin reeves to
Speaker 5: play a better game. Tory and Prince Achi Mora and
Speaker 5: matter of fact, then why didn't get a field goal
Speaker 5: with tempo? So I mean these are things that like
Speaker 5: can possibly happen and change the swing of the series.
Speaker 5: Because Denver technically only won a third quarter. I mean,
Speaker 5: Lakers had control until that third quarter got out of hand.
Speaker 5: Pup H for three is the role players in net
Speaker 5: quarter destroyed the Lakers, and the Lakers role players didn't
Speaker 5: show up that quarter or their game period pretty much.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing that, like you say, role players
Speaker 2: at home play better. I got to think in l
Speaker 2: a at least I don't know who's gonna we're recording
Speaker 2: this on Monday morning, I don't know who's gonna win
Speaker 2: game two tonight. Maybe you all listening out there have
Speaker 2: already seen that game, but I just I feel like,
Speaker 2: at least at home they're good for one two, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, I mean I don't see that.
Speaker 6: I mean, why haven't we seen it all year? They
Speaker 6: swept They got swept in the regular season. My thing
Speaker 6: is basically better regular season? Was Austin resonna play better
Speaker 6: regular Like It's not like this is their first loss
Speaker 6: to them all season, Like they've been dominated for the
Speaker 6: past two years. So for me, it's like, yeah, we
Speaker 6: can sit here and name everything that went wrong in
Speaker 6: the game they lost and say well that this was
Speaker 6: done better.
Speaker 3: Yeah they would have won.
Speaker 5: But that's what it's about. It's about adjustments, and I
Speaker 5: think I don't see Bron getting swept right now, Bront
Speaker 5: the past two years, Bron getting swept eight games in
Speaker 5: the playoffs. Though I'm the one, he's already.
Speaker 2: Year.
Speaker 4: I'm a better man, le Bron. I'm a bet Lebron.
Speaker 2: I get you said all year, Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver.
Speaker 2: I'm the one who said that. What the Lakers are
Speaker 2: going to go as far as until they meet Denver. Right,
Speaker 2: they could get to the conference finals if they meet
Speaker 2: Denver there, or they could get to the first round.
Speaker 1: And now they're in the first round against Denver. So
Speaker 1: there we go. I believe in Denver to win this series.
Speaker 4: But I got that got.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to take a game or two somewhere.
Speaker 4: Now. I'm not gonna bet the house, but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: bet with Brown.
Speaker 3: But that is they're going to get one game.
Speaker 4: At least.
Speaker 5: Brown wn't get one game. He he don't go down
Speaker 5: a joke at eight straight times in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: I know in the players, low, brother, low, we just low.
Speaker 3: You know what if we just it's the one game.
Speaker 1: Jokers.
Speaker 4: He just grew.
Speaker 1: Now maybe he's just grew.
Speaker 4: Listen, the heat we got. We got switches to the heat.
Speaker 1: Man, thank you.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. That's the damn sweet. I just don't
Speaker 4: see it. I just don't see it. Man, they don't
Speaker 4: have Jimmy and Rose there.
Speaker 5: I mean that there are a lot of role players
Speaker 5: at that point, and the Celts have too many stars,
Speaker 5: and their role players are you know, playing exceptional as well.
Speaker 5: And like I said, that home court advantage you got,
Speaker 5: I think they have five guys in double figures.
Speaker 4: It's just tough to beat. Man, they're two dynamic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's right, you can't.
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to your starters out, including your
Speaker 2: best player, like it's and you're the eight seed to
Speaker 2: begin with, and you barely get in.
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't know. That's got sweet written
Speaker 1: all over it to me. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Look, Miami's gritty. Obviously, they always pull off the improbable.
Speaker 2: That their home court advantage is really significant. I mean,
Speaker 2: I love that building when it's all crazy, pumped and dough.
Speaker 2: You've played in that environment, like during an NBA final,
Speaker 2: it's like it's just it's sorry, conference finals, it's just bonkers.
Speaker 1: But it's still still I don't know it's got sweep.
Speaker 1: It's got sweep to me. That's got sweep to me.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about another East series though, because
Speaker 2: this is supposed to be one of the most competitive
Speaker 2: series on the other end, the Nick sixer series, right,
Speaker 2: we thought that could go six or seven games, but
Speaker 2: now we got some injury questions. Joel embiid, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's actually that hurt or if he just
Speaker 2: got a big scare. But Boog, when you do, like
Speaker 2: does saying like he saw him just sort of play
Speaker 2: it safe, do you have to tell yourself, I got
Speaker 2: to get in there again. How mentally tough is that
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 6: It can definitely be mentally tough. I've never experienced the
Speaker 6: part where you know, you injure yourself, come back from
Speaker 6: it and then you kind of have that scare. I've
Speaker 6: never experienced that, but just coming back from injury in general,
Speaker 6: it can definitely, you know, have a mental block on you.
Speaker 6: It can have you uncomfortable in your movements, It can
Speaker 6: have you not as confident in your abilities, and sometimes
Speaker 6: you can play pretty gingerly. And I think we did
Speaker 6: see that, you know, once he came back from the
Speaker 6: scare where he more so settled for jumpers. He wasn't
Speaker 6: as physical with you know, getting to the basket of
Speaker 6: finishing around the basket or in the same manner with
Speaker 6: the you know, the fantastic note that he did have
Speaker 6: and with that play it wasn't the same you know,
Speaker 6: tenacity that he usually plays with. So that is a
Speaker 6: sign that you know, that scare or that injury is
Speaker 6: in the back of his mind. But I mean, once
Speaker 6: it's playoffs, it's playoffs, and you know, at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, you kind of want to leave it
Speaker 6: all on the floor. And sometimes it is to the
Speaker 6: point where you know, you do something that you know
Speaker 6: could harm you in that moment, but that's just the
Speaker 6: stubbornness that kind of comes with athletes. But hopefully with this,
Speaker 6: you know, he can get that injury under control. It
Speaker 6: was weird to me to see, you know, blood coming
Speaker 6: from his knee. I didn't quite understand that part. I
Speaker 6: thought that was, you know, pretty weird. But at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, we can look past all of
Speaker 6: this just when it comes to Joel in general, Like
Speaker 6: we've seen this story happen over and over and over again,
Speaker 6: and for me, I've reached out to Joel before. My
Speaker 6: question is at what point, point, dude, you start taking
Speaker 6: the pressure off of those you know, knees and joints
Speaker 6: and ankles and things of that nature. You know, you're
Speaker 6: not the young spring chicken that you once were when
Speaker 6: you first came into this league. Age is starting to
Speaker 6: get on your side, So it has to be some
Speaker 6: type of adjustments.
Speaker 1: You add, what are you talking about You're talking about diet,
Speaker 1: What are you talking about.
Speaker 3: Dying?
Speaker 4: Number one?
Speaker 6: Who has I feel like at some point the big
Speaker 6: fella has to come down and wait and reason I
Speaker 6: say that because.
Speaker 3: Set it again.
Speaker 1: He's not obese, he's not crazy heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's hard.
Speaker 6: It's hard to play with three hundred plus pounds every night,
Speaker 6: jumping up and down on those knees and your ankles
Speaker 6: like that wear and tear.
Speaker 3: Eventually it's going to get the best of you.
Speaker 6: And like I said, we keep seeing the same story
Speaker 6: over and over and over again, and I just want
Speaker 6: to know at what point is he going to make
Speaker 6: that adjustment to lighten the load for the longevity of
Speaker 6: his career. Even when it came to Tim Duncan, at
Speaker 6: a certain point, Tim Duncan got slimmer, he even talked
Speaker 6: about it. He wanted to have less weight on his
Speaker 6: joints and on his knees and things like that. So
Speaker 6: I think that's now the point that Joelle is at
Speaker 6: and I feel like I don't know what it'll take
Speaker 6: or who it'll take, but he has to embrace that
Speaker 6: part of his career now just for the longevity of it.
Speaker 6: And he's an incredible talent. He's an incredible player, and
Speaker 6: I think he has all the ability with his talents
Speaker 6: to be a champion at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: But if he can't get his health under control at
Speaker 6: some point, it's always going to be the same story
Speaker 6: that we've been talking about, where he's injured in the
Speaker 6: playoffs and how much can he give us this year
Speaker 6: and will it be enough. I don't want to keep
Speaker 6: having the same conversation. I want to see one hundred
Speaker 6: percent healthy Joel and b from start to finishing his playoffs,
Speaker 6: and I want to see him dominate from start to finish.
Speaker 6: And I think it starts with his diet and just
Speaker 6: dropping some weight. And I can say that because I
Speaker 6: was in that position at one point. I understand, and
Speaker 6: like I said, for the longevity of his career. I
Speaker 6: think he's at that point where he has to make.
Speaker 3: That ju justin.
Speaker 2: I just want to remind everyone that this beat up
Speaker 2: Sixers team is the team that Cleveland one thousand percent
Speaker 2: through their final game of the season. To avoid playing
Speaker 2: the Sixers team, the Calves decided we'd rather take our
Speaker 2: chances face the Magic in the first round where we
Speaker 2: think we can win around, even though that puts us
Speaker 2: on the Boston side of the freight train bracket, instead
Speaker 2: of playing the Sixers, who.
Speaker 1: We're scared, Oh my god, we're terrified, and.
Speaker 2: Then possibly having a much easier half of the bracket
Speaker 2: to get to the conference finals.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This really offended me.
Speaker 2: It made me feel like, you don't have enough confidence
Speaker 2: in your team that they could win a title or
Speaker 2: at least get to the conference finals. So you're just
Speaker 2: going to settle for We want to win around because
Speaker 2: we want Donovan Mitchell to be happy. Donovan Mitchell is
Speaker 2: one playoff series before. If you were Donovan Mitchell, dough
Speaker 2: is winning around going to mean so much to you?
Speaker 2: If your team fucking duck the smoke so that they
Speaker 2: could like, oh, we're going to run around so we
Speaker 2: can I mean, come on.
Speaker 4: Man, they ducked the smoke, that's what That's what we're saying.
Speaker 1: They were up. I don't I don't have producer, Nate,
Speaker 1: you can chime in. What was Cleveland that by? Were
Speaker 1: they up by twenty?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, they were up significantly and they pulled everyone.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's not to me, I know personally, that's
Speaker 5: not That's something you talk about as a team. And
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure JB did talk to the guys. And
Speaker 5: I've been in a situation where, like I said, we
Speaker 5: was able to face Lebron early or when we could
Speaker 5: duck them right. And obviously the guys we wanted to
Speaker 5: we want to smoke early. But the person that was different,
Speaker 5: and maybe their logic is different. You know, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: we rather not face a physical and beat with the
Speaker 5: players that we have. You know, we got Jared Allen
Speaker 5: and we got Evan Mobley. If we face the Boston Celtics,
Speaker 5: they are more talented, more skilled team. But at the
Speaker 5: same time, we might got a shot, you know, and
Speaker 5: we're not gonna overlook Orlando.
Speaker 4: But again, we have home court advantage.
Speaker 5: We can get Orlando, and who knows what can happen
Speaker 5: against the Celtics, and if we're gonna have to face
Speaker 5: the eventually anyway, why not face them early?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm say league, Yeah, I mean what it is,
Speaker 4: and hopefully we'll get to see that matchup next round
Speaker 4: and see how unfolds.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think for me, the
Speaker 5: way they got handled last year in the nixt series
Speaker 5: on the physicality, they didn't want to smoke with.
Speaker 4: A beat and.
Speaker 2: You know it is, But what is going to tell
Speaker 2: you if you're Donovan Mitchell, then what does that tell you? Like,
Speaker 2: that's the thing if this is all about, like, let's
Speaker 2: give Donovan Mitchell a wins so that he still likes
Speaker 2: it here and that he'll stay and they want to
Speaker 2: ask for trade. Like, if I'm Donovan Mitchell, I want
Speaker 2: to be playing in the conference finals and finals. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be playing for the first round.
Speaker 1: What are you telling?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but who's who's to say that? You know you're
Speaker 4: going to get there either way? I mean, either route
Speaker 4: you take, you should be trying.
Speaker 1: Let's try.
Speaker 5: I definitely want to go into any playoff winning obviously,
Speaker 5: no no doubt about it, you know, But again, I
Speaker 5: can't I gonna speak for myself and my experience.
Speaker 4: Now this team is different. You know, JB's one of
Speaker 4: my favorite coaches I've ever played for.
Speaker 1: So he's fantastic. I don't think that's that's why to me.
Speaker 2: I look at I look at it, Donovan Mitchell. I
Speaker 2: look at at other guys on that roster, you know who.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them are really promising, interesting players.
Speaker 2: I look at JB, who I think the world of.
Speaker 2: Like I just I had in my head, and this
Speaker 2: is just my assumption opinion. It had to have come
Speaker 2: from management, and like that's where I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: It's obviously it's over. It's done anyway. This is my feelings.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't screw around with the basketball, guys. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw three stats at you, guys. Two of
Speaker 1: them are true. What is a lie?
Speaker 2: I have not seen this yet, so let's look. Oh,
Speaker 2: one of them involves you, Jeanrondo, so you better get
Speaker 2: this one right. Let's start with you, rajeon stat number one,
Speaker 2: Jon Rondo has had two twenty assist games in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Stud number two, Dwight Howard holds the record for most
Speaker 2: blocks in a playoff game with ten and number three.
Speaker 2: James Harden, another star over the weekend, holds the record
Speaker 2: for the most turnovers in a playoff game with twelve.
Speaker 2: So Doe two stats, two truths and a lie. Three stats,
Speaker 2: two truths and a lie.
Speaker 1: What do you got?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the Dwight.
Speaker 3: It's a lie.
Speaker 1: M what about you, Buck? What do you got?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Rondo having twenty in a game
Speaker 3: just because he's in front of me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I'm gonna say I feel the producers
Speaker 2: would not put that stat up about right if you've
Speaker 2: been to twenty six games in the playoffs, do you know?
Speaker 2: Or he's just assuming like me, I.
Speaker 4: Think I remember the two. But let's see, I thought
Speaker 4: I'll have more, right.
Speaker 2: I oh, I assume that they wouldn't have put that
Speaker 2: up if it wasn't true. And then it's then it's
Speaker 2: just a toss up for me. But I kind of
Speaker 2: agree with you on Dwight. I feel like is the most.
Speaker 2: I just feel like someone's had to have him more
Speaker 2: blocks than ten. Yes, yeah, that's kind of where I
Speaker 2: am on that. But okay, production Ad has come in.
Speaker 2: He has told me, in fact that Jean, you did
Speaker 2: indeed have two twenty six games book. You are the
Speaker 2: most disrespectful co host in the history of podcast go host.
Speaker 1: James James Harden number is correct, and that the Dwight
Speaker 1: Howard is in fact a lie.
Speaker 2: Jean, we are correct. We know everything that ever is
Speaker 2: to know about stats in basketball. I'm surprised no one
Speaker 2: had more blocks in a game than ten though, because
Speaker 2: it was it was ten, but it wasn't Dwight. It
Speaker 2: was a three way tie involving chemo on two of
Speaker 2: the players. But yeah, I would, I would. I don't
Speaker 2: know twenty. Can't believe you didn't think he could get twenty.
Speaker 4: I was twenty with me.
Speaker 1: To wait, were you guys on? So one of those
Speaker 1: twenty games was on the Pelicans.
Speaker 7: You were there. You were there for that game.
Speaker 4: You were on the court for that course he went
Speaker 4: in the court. He was hurt. He'll come around.
Speaker 1: That was after that.
Speaker 4: Wow, Now that's a lot too.
Speaker 3: You're right, you're right, you owe me that one.
Speaker 2: All right, next suver, next time, we're gonna have Nate
Speaker 2: actually come in on the broadcast because he's got all
Speaker 2: the information. All right, let's get to I'll take that
Speaker 2: bet presented by DraftKings Minnesota versus Phoenix.
Speaker 1: We touched on it.
Speaker 2: Sota Leeds one to nothing. Wolves are minus one fifty
Speaker 2: five to win the series. Sons are plus one twenty
Speaker 2: five to win the series. So Vegas still seeing this
Speaker 2: is you know, not a toss up obviously, but it's
Speaker 2: not as wide a spread as on some of these
Speaker 2: other series.
Speaker 1: So who you guys taking when don't you go first?
Speaker 1: Which bet are you taking?
Speaker 3: Over?
Speaker 4: There? Bug?
Speaker 6: I'm liking this Minnesota team. I've liked them all year.
Speaker 6: I like the shine that's coming with you know, Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 6: He's really coming into form of being, you know, one
Speaker 6: of the faces of the NBA, being an actual superstar
Speaker 6: in our league, and we're watching it unfold right in
Speaker 6: front of us. He had an incredible game against a
Speaker 6: guy that he looks up to and was one of
Speaker 6: his favorite players growing up. So just having that confidence
Speaker 6: as a young guy performing on that big of a
Speaker 6: stage is only gonna I feel like it's only gonna
Speaker 6: better and we're going to see even better performances from
Speaker 6: this young kid. Uh the supporting cast that they have
Speaker 6: with Jamon Daniels on the on the perimeter, Garden, whatever
Speaker 6: matchup is, you know, in favor of that night, and
Speaker 6: you know you got the big fella underneath controlling the plant.
Speaker 6: So they have a good, solid team all around, calling
Speaker 6: the town's return. And he's gonna be a huge piece
Speaker 6: of this team. It's a lot of talent with this team.
Speaker 6: Na right here, man, So it's a lot of killing
Speaker 6: with the kid. Last night, I was going to walk.
Speaker 6: He went crazy to me every reason they won eighteen
Speaker 6: points off the bench.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this this team is young and hungry.
Speaker 6: Uh, it is full of talent, and I think they're
Speaker 6: They've shown all year that they are a true contender
Speaker 6: and we're watching them, you know, continue to grow and
Speaker 6: things unfold in front of us right now.
Speaker 3: So I'm leaning with Minnesota.
Speaker 4: He sold me. Yeah, I'm in the same way. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, look, Grayson allen rolled his ankle in Game one,
Speaker 2: questionable for Game two. We don't know what's going to
Speaker 2: happen there. Obviously, if he's out, that's going to be
Speaker 2: another blow for Phoenix. I don't think this series is
Speaker 2: going to be a sweep or anything. I think it
Speaker 2: will be a tough series. You've got experienced guys, Kevin
Speaker 2: Durant is still Kevin Durant. I'm sorry, I don't know
Speaker 2: how he is still underrated, but I think somehow he's
Speaker 2: still underrated in our league.
Speaker 1: And like I just he has the potential to win
Speaker 1: a game all by himself.
Speaker 2: But I do think that Minnesota is a more complete
Speaker 2: team and as you said, no point guard is an
Speaker 2: issue for them.
Speaker 5: I don't expect to see Brona swept last week the too,
Speaker 5: So I mean, but you said like time to change him,
Speaker 5: so yeah, I mean, yeah, hopefully hopefully Bubble can get
Speaker 5: it done, you know, don't get swept.
Speaker 4: But again he's it ain't just a guarantee because he's
Speaker 4: on the floor.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, no, I don't you're right, you're right. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think he is like a nuclear capability like Brown's
Speaker 2: a little different. He obviously can control and take over
Speaker 2: a game in so many different ways. But Katie is
Speaker 2: such a shoot, you're a shooter, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: he could drop fifty, like, you know, he's got that
Speaker 2: in him.
Speaker 7: Still, that's true sleeve, right, he got that on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4: Like, look, I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, Jade McDaniels, to your point, but he
Speaker 2: was on my one of my one of my all
Speaker 2: defensive teams. Like I just I think that that group,
Speaker 2: they know who they are. They don't have a ton
Speaker 2: of winning playoff experience, I'll grant you, but you know
Speaker 2: a couple of players do. And I think that they've
Speaker 2: obviously got a really good coach, and I just I
Speaker 2: don't know. I look at them to win the series
Speaker 2: for sure. Even though that bet that we're taken from
Speaker 2: DraftKings not going to give us a ton of put
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars down, not going to get quite as
Speaker 2: much back as if we had put money on Phoenix.
Speaker 1: But a winning bet is still a winning bet, that's
Speaker 1: all I got to say. It's still worth placing. There
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you guys on a Kentucky question
Speaker 2: real quick, because we have not spoken to you since
Speaker 2: Mark Pope was hired. What was your initial reaction? Have
Speaker 2: you guys spent any time around him? What are your
Speaker 2: thoughts as Kate as Kentucky goes forward here?
Speaker 4: I don't know much about him obviously what everyone else knows.
Speaker 4: He's a champion. I think that's the best best hill
Speaker 4: right their particular time.
Speaker 5: Due to the fact that I think, you know, the
Speaker 5: first couple of guys they couldn't get Uh he's a
Speaker 5: familiar face. Wow.
Speaker 4: Do you see that?
Speaker 1: That was just a dry by right there on the
Speaker 1: athletic department.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not necessarily.
Speaker 5: I mean that's that's these are this is the facts,
Speaker 5: I believe, you know, you know, I think miss did
Speaker 5: the hell of a job, you know, getting getting Pope
Speaker 5: in and you know, he's a cerebral coach. He has
Speaker 5: a different style that I think people are going to
Speaker 5: get accustomed to right now. This is about you know,
Speaker 5: landing the talent. So for him, getting people accustomed to
Speaker 5: who he is as a person, what he stands for,
Speaker 5: what he's looking for in players. So it's going to
Speaker 5: take time. But nevertheless, I don't think they'll be down
Speaker 5: for long. And I think they had a nice little
Speaker 5: transfer portal signing already or commit you know, he's still
Speaker 5: committed a draft, but it was a big man.
Speaker 4: I think I was that dregs where's Yeah. So you
Speaker 4: know that's a start and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 5: Like I said, this is a matter of a waiting game,
Speaker 5: and with so many players in the portal, you know,
Speaker 5: it's no knocking Pope or wacality.
Speaker 4: This is this is the game, you know.
Speaker 5: I think obviously he did stay, it wouldn't have been
Speaker 5: as many people that transferred or but you still got
Speaker 5: guys like reach Upherd was going pro anyway. You know,
Speaker 5: Rob was going pro.
Speaker 4: So it's going to be just my period anyway, and
Speaker 4: I believe that it won't take long.
Speaker 1: Do you know Pope book.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know Pope. I believe he was part
Speaker 3: of the ninety sixteen. Yeah, so I was six, But.
Speaker 1: You could have run across I mean, you've played for
Speaker 1: a few teams. I don't know if you ran across
Speaker 1: him anywhere.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: Six.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I think he just called us old.
Speaker 4: I was team. I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Get it. I'm just saying I was six. That happens,
Speaker 1: I know exactly.
Speaker 4: I was six.
Speaker 1: All Right, we can move on. I'm i'm, i'm i'm.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe one of you could have a personal connection.
Speaker 2: Who knows, But okay, all right, great, well we will
Speaker 2: see what happens. We will follow them, of course throughout
Speaker 2: the recruiting period and next season because we have a
Speaker 2: special interest in Kentucky on this podcast. I did want
Speaker 2: to get two of you before we go about the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Though I know people have discussed it infinitum over the
Speaker 2: last week. We don't need to have, you know, break
Speaker 2: down everything for people because it's already been poured over.
Speaker 2: But you have such a unique perspective because Boogie, you
Speaker 2: were in that locker room.
Speaker 1: You know everybody involved.
Speaker 2: So you had the experience obviously of being with the
Speaker 2: Celtics and when that team, you know, two finals in
Speaker 2: three years would have been to a third if KG
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten hurt, and then had to decide whether to
Speaker 2: break that up or not. Look, Clay is a free agent,
Speaker 2: Chris Paul's not guaranteed next season, big decisions. I want
Speaker 2: to say Clay still had decent numbers this past season,
Speaker 2: especially once he sort of figured out who he was
Speaker 2: on that team now and how he was going to play.
Speaker 1: He was not a disaster, So I just need to
Speaker 1: stop that narrative.
Speaker 2: But he obviously was getting paid way more than what
Speaker 2: he was producing, and so it's a question of is
Speaker 2: he going to want to stay for the money that
Speaker 2: they're probably going to offer him Andrew Wiggins struggled up
Speaker 2: and down, totally inconsistent, also way too much money for
Speaker 2: the production he gave. Draymond obviously just got the new contract.
Speaker 2: He missed twenty seven games of his own making. They
Speaker 2: were thirty three and twenty two in the games he
Speaker 2: played thirteen and fourteen without him.
Speaker 1: So to me, that really speaks to a his value.
Speaker 1: People who were like, oh, he's way overpaid.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that he's making that much money. Guess
Speaker 2: what he impacts winning on that team to this day,
Speaker 2: and he makes Steph Curry better. Steps on off numbers
Speaker 2: with Draymond are completely clear, like he makes Steph Curry,
Speaker 2: who was already one of the most elite players this
Speaker 2: game has ever seen, even better. So to me, you
Speaker 2: don't get rid of Draymond. You need to just basically
Speaker 2: get Draymond to stay on the court and not do
Speaker 2: bone headed things. And he is making a commitment to
Speaker 2: do that, So to me, that decision feels easy to me.
Speaker 2: The question then is Clay and Wiggans and some of
Speaker 2: the other stuff that they need to do, And it
Speaker 2: comes down a little bit to asking Steph, what are
Speaker 2: you interested in? Do you want to keep this core
Speaker 2: group together and is playing it out with them important
Speaker 2: even if you guys aren't competing for championships anymore? Or
Speaker 2: do you want us to strip things down and try
Speaker 2: to give you the best chance to get another chip.
Speaker 2: I don't know what would you guys want. I want
Speaker 2: to start with you, Book, because you've been in that
Speaker 2: locker room and you know how important Clay is to
Speaker 2: the functioning of the team.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 6: I think the Warriors have put theirselves in a pretty
Speaker 6: shitty hole when it just comes to Rosster construction, you know, assets, money,
Speaker 6: all of those things. So for me to sit here
Speaker 6: and try to, you know, figure out what would be
Speaker 6: the right moves for them moving forward to correct their team,
Speaker 6: I don't have those answers.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna even act like I do, but I
Speaker 3: do understand this part. I know the Warriors were bought.
Speaker 6: When this group came in and bought this Warriors team,
Speaker 6: they bought him for about four hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 6: As of today, this franchise is now worth eight point
Speaker 6: I want to say eight point five billion dollars. I
Speaker 6: don't give a shit how many baskets Klay Thompson, missus.
Speaker 6: He deserves the ride off in the sunset because at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, when this owner gets this
Speaker 6: and let's let's be clear, this is a hobby for
Speaker 6: this owner. So when he's done with this hobby, he
Speaker 6: gets bored with this hobby, he's going to be able
Speaker 6: to go and collect eight points.
Speaker 2: It's not about the owner, It's about Steph, right, So
Speaker 2: it's about Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: They will do whatever Steph wants.
Speaker 2: I absolutely feel confident in saying that, and that if
Speaker 2: Steph wants to have clay with him the rest of
Speaker 2: the time and it's special to play all as a
Speaker 2: group together, and it's special to be able to finish
Speaker 2: out together, and if that's more important to him than
Speaker 2: definitely getting a chance to win again, then he totally
Speaker 2: has the right to make that decision.
Speaker 1: And I think that there is real merit in that.
Speaker 1: But it's a different decision than I want to compete.
Speaker 2: For a title again, and like that that's kind of
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm asking is what would you do
Speaker 2: or what would you say or want to do if
Speaker 2: you were Steph Curry, or would you not want responsibility
Speaker 2: and just say you guys make the call. What would
Speaker 2: you do if you're Clay? Would you take less money
Speaker 2: to stay in Golden State? Then you would get I
Speaker 2: mean someone would offer him. I guarantee you someone will
Speaker 2: offer him money this summer. But will you take less
Speaker 2: to stay in Golden State? Like, what would you do
Speaker 2: if you were either of those two guys?
Speaker 6: I think Steph. I think Steph at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, wants his guys with him. He knows what
Speaker 6: helped him create what they created there in Golden State.
Speaker 6: So I know for a fact Dram and Clay, He's
Speaker 6: gonna vouch for them no matter what.
Speaker 3: My thing is.
Speaker 6: If I'm Clay, I feel like he deserves to have
Speaker 6: the arrogance that he has when it comes to the
Speaker 6: man in the contract that he wants He's put in
Speaker 6: the groundwork. He and I spoke on the value of
Speaker 6: his team increasing the way it did because that didn't
Speaker 6: happen because the owner bought the team.
Speaker 3: It happened because of those three.
Speaker 6: Guys and what they did in those amount of years
Speaker 6: to help increase the value of this franchise. So on
Speaker 6: top of having four championships, on top of being core
Speaker 6: pieces in this group, they increase.
Speaker 4: All Star.
Speaker 6: Everything that comes with that. I don't feel like that
Speaker 6: can be overlooked regardless of Okay, but if.
Speaker 2: You give him that much money, if you if you
Speaker 2: give him a big chunk of money, you don't have
Speaker 2: that money to spend other places and to put you
Speaker 2: into salary cap restrictions. That means you can't do like
Speaker 2: league minimum thing, you know, like you can't do those
Speaker 2: minimum exceptions and all that stuff. You just have to
Speaker 2: decide what's more important to you, right, do you want
Speaker 2: a more competitive team? If you do, then Clay's got
Speaker 2: to take a big chunk less. If he's going to stay,
Speaker 2: Clay has to decide what he wants to do. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to do with Wiggins because I don't
Speaker 2: know how much if you can trade him and get
Speaker 2: anything back for him, or if you'd have to attach
Speaker 2: something to him. They do have really good, promising young players.
Speaker 2: They had some great play from some of the rookies
Speaker 2: this year, but Wiggins is a huge financial drain on
Speaker 2: them compared to the production you're getting. To me, Draymond
Speaker 2: is worth the financial so that you're paying him. I
Speaker 2: can see where that comes out on the court, and
Speaker 2: with Clay it is a question of I agree with you,
Speaker 2: he deserves all the money he could get because of
Speaker 2: what he's done. But then that will have an impact
Speaker 2: on whether this team can move other pieces around and wins.
Speaker 2: So it's just a question of I mean, do what
Speaker 2: would you want if you were staff or if you
Speaker 2: were Clay. Would you want to stay but have a
Speaker 2: less competitive team? Would you want to stay for less
Speaker 2: and have a more competitive I mean, there's just a
Speaker 2: lot of factors here.
Speaker 4: I just I don't know the relationship they have, you know.
Speaker 4: Actually that's why I would have cousin answer their question.
Speaker 4: More so personally, I don't know either of them. You
Speaker 4: know that closely, and.
Speaker 5: You know what they've gone through over the years. You know,
Speaker 5: we see it from a lands from the outside, but
Speaker 5: internally you just doesn't.
Speaker 3: You just don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that will determine on the outcome of what
Speaker 4: happens the next year with this team.
Speaker 1: Well you you went through it in Boston and when
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge she would trade his mother was like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we didn't win four championships, So you know,
Speaker 5: it's a different one. It's different, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: always what have you done for me?
Speaker 3: League?
Speaker 4: Lately. What have you done for me lately?
Speaker 2: League?
Speaker 4: So, you know, winning one.
Speaker 5: Championship and the gave us a couple more years to
Speaker 5: try to figure it out. And when we didn't, you know,
Speaker 5: it was trying to move on, you know, just like
Speaker 5: you know, their offense, the way they play, let's style
Speaker 5: of play. It's time to move on from that. But
Speaker 5: that's another that's another topic. Bro time for an update.
Speaker 4: But no, it's that's all I can say about it
Speaker 4: as far as like when it's time, you.
Speaker 1: Know, all right, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna close by asking Boogie to explain what pillow
Speaker 2: hands are.
Speaker 1: We were talking about boxing before we got on the air.
Speaker 1: What are pillow hands?
Speaker 4: Well, Luka got hit with last night.
Speaker 3: Man, pillow hands. Man, it's just not the punch and
Speaker 3: power that.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay you have, That's how you're gonna put it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna just put it okay, Okay, yeah, right,
Speaker 6: stay out, stay out the way like what you started
Speaker 6: the podcast with, right, just trying to.
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