WEBVTT - Best Of Full Interview: Jay Shetty Talks Healing, Purpose, Forgiveness, Grace + More 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:05.240 Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning, 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.080 Everybody's DJ n V. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.639 Charlamagne the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:10.640 a special guest. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:11.600 In the building, my guy. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.840 He's an author, New York Time best selling author. He's 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.960 an entrepreneur, he is a podcast host. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.960 And now he is a model as well. Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.600 Jay Sheddy, By the way, Jay Sheddy is more than 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:27.680 the podcast hosts. He has one of the top ten 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.840 biggest podcasts in the World's right, Okay, I think that's 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:31.560 a very important to. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.800 Note because everybody got a podcast. Okay. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.600 Jay said he has one of the top ten biggest 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.240 podcasts in the world. Is the number five, I think. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.720 I think so that's on Spotify. I think that's what 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.319 it came out as. But no, thank you for having me, guys. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.400 I had a lot to be in here with you. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:42.600 Guys. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.920 I'm so grateful to be back to you. Congrats on 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.120 the new studio. And that's not new for you for 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.879 your viewers, it's new for me being in in with you. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.080 But thank you, Thank you guys. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.920 You're one of the people always use as a model 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.440 man when people tell me, like, you know, how do 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.760 I get started in podcasting or broadcasting, always say you 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.600 got to be your true, authentic self and you got 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.560 to provide something that you know maybe missing. And you 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.600 came with healing, you know, conversations about mental health, love, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.200 and you filled the very big void in the marketplace, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.120 a void did didn't even think people knew it was missing. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.720 Wow, that means a lot coming from you. I think 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.600 whenever you're starting anything right, it's about finding the space 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.319 in the market and then figuring out what you just said, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.480 that authentic part that you can match with that space. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.039 And I think for me, I love all the podcasts 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.920 that exists in the world, and they serve so many 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.080 different purposes. There's so many that I listened to, But 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.920 for me, I was I remember I was at this 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.560 event and the event was called Building Meaningful Lives, and 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.280 Tom Brady was speaking at the event, and then they 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.360 were asking questions. And I don't know Tom Brady, and 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.520 you know, we don't know each other, we've never connected. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.040 But I saw a lot of questions being asked to him, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.120 and all the questions were about the rings and the 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.480 games and the sports, and I could tell that he 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.120 was trying to talk about meaningful things because the conference 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.880 was building meaningful. And again I don't know him, so 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.800 I've never checked this with him, but from my perspective, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.960 I could. I felt my intuition suggested that he wanted 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.520 to go in a direction that he couldn't go in 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.960 because everyone just wanted him to talk about sports. And 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:14.799 I was like, Okay, I want to build the platform 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.920 where someone like him could go in the direction they 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.359 want to go in. That's like when you came on 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:19.560 the show and you need to come back, we need 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.000 to have you back on. You know, when you came on, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.560 it was like, we could go in the direction that 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.120 you want to talk about that. Some people don't have 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.160 the platform to do that for, you know. So that's 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:30.000 where it came from. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:31.720 You know, we had a Kevin Gates up here. He's 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.080 a rapper and he has a song called I Thing. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.480 It's called I Can Heal You, you know, and he's 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.519 talking about, you know the fact that he feels like 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.280 he can heal women. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.079 Right, but just in general, do you think you can 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:44.840 heal people? 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.280 I can't heal people. I'm not that powerful. I don't 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:54.200 think I have the power or the capacity to heal people. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.639 But I believe the universe does. I believe energy does. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.720 I believe frequency does. And I think that all we're 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:06.480 trying to do is introduce people to all of these ideas, concepts, practices, habits, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.720 mindsets that they can then implement. I think people taking 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.000 on that power is too much pressure. I think taking 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.280 on that pressure of I'm gonna heal you, I'm gonna 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.640 heal people. Wow, I think I would crumble if I 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.160 felt that way, I would I would not last two seconds. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.480 And so I have never felt that. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.520 And I've always felt that I've been a vessel for 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.919 my teachers and mentors and guides. I feel that I've 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.560 been so invested in a lot of people say to me, like, Jay, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.520 you're so young, how did you learn this? And I'll say, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.280 I just got lucky. I had great mentors, great teachers, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.080 great guides, and I'm just trying to share what I've 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.119 learned through me. And yeah, I don't want I don't 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.800 want the pressure of trying to be a savior, messiah 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:44.760 or a leacher. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.320 You can heal people do your experience though, because people, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:48.800 you know, I think a lot of times they feel 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.400 like they're alone. And if you explain your story and 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.560 tell them how you got through your tough times or 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.880 whatever that you've been through. It can, like you said, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.160 give somebody a roadmap of. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:57.840 What they can do. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.280 Absolutely, you know, for every situation that you try might 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.000 not work for somebody, you know, but it'd give them 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.480 a guide to maybe something that can put them on 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:05.920 their healings. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.640 Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.880 but I feel like that is still so much on 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.280 that person. And I feel like that's what we've seen, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.040 whether it's mental health, whether it's growth, whether it's personal development, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.520 so much of the accountability and responsibility is on the 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.960 receiver of knowledge. My teacher would always give this beautiful example. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.200 They'd say, because sometimes right I go to listen to 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.640 a talk, or you go listen to a podcast, and 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.920 the person who's teaching you is maybe not the best orator, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.440 they're not the best communicator, they're not the person who's 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.479 coming at it with all the you know, gems and 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.600 everything else. And my teachers would say to me, if 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.520 you're sitting in a class like that, you may think 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.000 the speakers at a zero, but that means you need 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.640 to rise to a ten to extract greatness from them. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:50.600 Whereas if your. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.839 Speakers at a ten, you get to coast at a zero, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.800 and you may extract nothing from them because they just 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.680 entertained your mind. And so I think as a listener, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.680 as a practitioner, we've got a is our game to 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.800 extract greatness from who we're listening to and implement in 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:04.320 our lives. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.680 If that makes sense, does everybody no? I feel like 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:14.559 everybody deserves healing. But does everybody deserve healing? 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.400 I would say that let's go around down this thought 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.479 experiment to answer that question. So I've been thinking a 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:26.159 lot about this. If we could simplify the purpose of 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:31.440 life to be to love and be loved, if we 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.960 could agree that we think that loving others and being 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.600 loved by others feels like a meaningful purpose in our lives. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:38.279 Right. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.880 What's really interesting about that is that because of how 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.360 we've been loved growing up, we chase to do things 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.960 in order to be loved. So we start thinking, well, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.040 in order for me to be loved, I need to 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.120 build a big business. I need to look a certain way. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.320 I need to have a certain amount of followers. I 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.560 need to build a podcast, whatever it may be. So 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.720 we start doing lots of stuff in order to be loved, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.080 because we think to love and be loved we need 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.240 to do big things. Then what ends up happening is 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.680 we end up in a space where we realize that 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.279 doesn't lead to love. I'm not loved more because I 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.359 have more followers. I'm not loved more because I have 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.799 more money. I'm not loved more because I have more, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.200 which then begs the question going to your earlier question. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.240 We need to heal that idea. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.680 So I think everyone deserves healing because everyone's been misled, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.720 whether it's by the system, whether it's by society, whether 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.200 it's about conditioning. So if you look at the journey 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.000 as to why everyone deserves healing, it's because everyone started 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.240 from a purer place, where everyone started from a more 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.640 naive place but got led down a certain path that 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.760 then requires them to have healing. So I think everyone 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.960 deserves healing. What do you think, Sheleman? 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.960 No, no, no, no thinking about it deeply I do. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.400 I just hear people say that, you know, and I 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.280 think what I what I would tell folks is you know, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.760 that's like you said, that's really not a to you 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.719 to decide. You know, if a person, regardless of what 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.960 they've been through. If they decide to go on their 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.640 healing journey, that's between them and their creator, and that's 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.240 between them and their their trauma. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:17.120 Who am I to say that person doesn't deserve Yeah, yeah, I. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.520 Guess the other question too, would be does everybody deserve 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:20.520 forgiveness and grace? 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.640 I mean, here's here how I like to look at it. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.960 Let's let's pretend that we lived in a world. Actually, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.560 we don't need to pretend that is the world. Let's 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.360 let's live in a world where there is no forgiveness 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.720 and grace. Lord have mercy, right exactly. Let's let's see 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.720 what what would that look like like. Let's do a 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.160 thought experiment. You have a planet, there's no forgiveness, there's 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.440 no grace. I would struggle to live in that world 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.800 because I know I need forgiveness and grace not only 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.280 from myself but from the people around me. If my 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.720 wife wasn't forgiving and getting give me grace, that would 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.000 be a really tough relationship. If my mom didn't forgive 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.240 me and give me grace, that would be a tough relationship. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.760 If my boss, if you know, whatever else in my life, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.840 I think we'd actually all be living with more anxiety, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.920 more stress, and we'd internalize that lack of forgiveness and 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.000 projected back onto ourselves, and that would pervent you a cycle. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.680 By the way, that's kind of where we're at right now. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.440 And I think a lot of our lack of capacity 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.480 for forgiveness and grace for others actually comes because we 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.320 don't give ourselves the benefit of the doubt, right, like 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.520 you know, amazing things going to happen, whereby we literally 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.280 will you know, I think I'm sure you've heard this too, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.760 where it's like I loved you until you did this, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.000 I believed in you until you did this, And it's 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.320 almost like we don't give ourself a second chance. And 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.200 because we don't give ourselves a second chance, we don't 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.959 give others a second chance. And I believe that everyone 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:50.760 deserves forgiveness and grace if they are willing to choose 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.080 the path of reformation, if they're willing to go on 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.480 the path and do the work of saying I have 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.360 had some challenges, I've made some mistakes. I'm willing to grow. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.160 That's but sometimes it's a chicken and egg situation because 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.440 sometimes for someone to have that reaction, they need to 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.800 feel that there is an opportunity for forgiveness and grace. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.400 So often people are so scared that people won't forgive 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.320 them that they don't want to admit it. Right, let's 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:22.720 take the very basic example, like you know someone's let's 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.040 let's take something that I think, you know, someone's cheated 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.800 on their partner. Not not an ideal situation, not a 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.320 great thing. Do we just let that person get away 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.000 with it? Of course not. But partly that person may 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.760 be scared of sharing it because they're scared they won't 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.520 be forgiveness and grace that's true now, or scared to 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 lose or scared to lose now they've made a mistake 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.920 and they should be held accountable regardless because if they 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.480 were in a committed relationship. But it's this chicken and 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.040 egg situation of like what comes first? And I don't 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.960 know the answer to that because it requires so much 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.240 from the person who's been hurt, and it's sad because 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.440 you've already been hurt and now more is required of you. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.120 And I think a lot of people feel that way, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.440 that they're the one who's been high, but they've going 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:04.440 to be the bigger person. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.640 Yeah, I think a lot of times with forgiveness. Sometimes 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.199 it's why the person asks for forgiveness, so why the 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:10.920 person is sorry. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:11.240 Right. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.040 So, like you said in the cheating situation, right, it's 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.160 quick and easy for a person to say, okay, I'm 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.600 sorry because they got caught. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:18.280 You know. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.559 Same thing with somebody when they say something wild online. Right, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.320 the first reason they want to apologize really is they 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.319 want things to get back to normal or are they 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.680 really sorry? Did they really understand what they did? It 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.480 hurts somebody? And I think that's the problem when it 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.760 comes to forgiving somebody. Right, it's easy to say I 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.000 forgive you. You slap me in my face, and I say, okay, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.840 I forgive you, But no, I don't, not until we 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.560 have the conversation and why you slapped me in the face, 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.880 why you said what you said, how did you affect me, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.720 and then we can get to that path. But I 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.240 think a lot of times it's easy for people to 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.480 say I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do it. I 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.320 went to rehabits over right, and the world is supposed 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.600 to open back up. But if you can't explain to 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.080 me why you did what you did and assure me why, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.920 it can't happen again, I can ever forgive you people 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.960 be well, forgive you means this that and you other know. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.360 I don't think about you, but that's that's my reason 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.400 of feeling that way. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.120 That's yeah, that's the best. I fully agree with everything 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.920 you just said. That's that's that's what's missing is you 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.319 just you said something so subtle and so passively. I 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:16.920 want to highlight for everyone because I'm like, that is 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.720 it's like we want to say sorry often because we 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.480 want things to go back to normal correct and that 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.679 that is the mistake, Like that isn't worthy of forgiveness, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.480 and we need to go deeper than that. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.839 You just sat down with First Lady Michelle Obama. Conversation 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.440 was everywhere right and she expressed how terrified she was 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:38.520 about this election year. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.439 What was it like hearing that from her? And how 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.240 do you process that? Did that give you anxiety when 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:45.680 you hear it? 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.960 Yeah, it's an interesting thought process because I can't vote 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.000 in this country. I moved here eight years ago. I 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.520 have a green card, but I don't you know, I 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:58.800 don't have voting rights, and I moved here the Trump 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.880 became president in twenty six and so I've had an 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.000 interesting education in the United States, and I haven't. You know, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.679 I didn't grow up learning American history or American politics, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.720 so I'm also very uneducated in that space. Specifically, I 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:20.880 think for me, I look at most things as things 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.679 I can and can't control. And when I think about 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.840 things that make me anxious on a global scale, I 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.120 often ask myself what is the root of that anxiety 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.760 in my community? So if I'm seeing whether it's ignorance, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.839 whether it's a lack of understanding, whether it's a lack 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.040 of curiosity, openness, compassion on a global scale, I'm asking myself, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.880 where does that exist within me and my friends and 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.600 my society, and how do I start impacting that? Because 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.120 that I can control. And so I've been practicing that 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.640 for a long time because I feel that there's a 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.679 lot of things that give me anxiety, Like there's a 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.360 lot of things that can stress me out. There's something 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.840 new in the news every day that can do that. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.360 But for me, what's really interesting is saying, okay, where 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.480 is Like I read this beautiful quote from f Scott 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.120 Fitzgerald a few years back, and it's beautiful, and he 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.160 said that I don't have my phone other. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:16.319 I'd read it right, but type in type in. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:23.439 The type in two opposites and f Scott Fitzgerald orposing 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.440 idea correct, but look for the full quote because they 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.200 only quote half of it sometimes and it's so, and 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.440 read a longer version of that question. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.400 See the test of a first rate. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.600 Yes, bloody the whole too, opposing sides in mind at 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.560 the same time and still retain the ability to function. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.000 One should, for example, be able to see that things 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.680 are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.840 That I love that right, like to be able to 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.280 hold to this is I think the biggest challenge we're 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.520 facing in the human mind is that we're not able 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.440 in our micro world and in a macro world to 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.800 be able to hold two opposing ideas at the same 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.560 time still retain the ability to function. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:03.360 So, as f. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.320 Scott Fitzgerald said, I should be able to see that 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.000 everything seems hopeless, yet be determined to make them otherwise. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.520 That to me is where I like to live and 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.840 where I like to function. Is that how can I 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.240 accept that things are beyond my control? I'm not powerful 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.520 enough yet control what I can try to do, And 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.440 so I kind of look at ignorance in my own 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.360 community and my own friends group, in our WhatsApp chats, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.200 in our tech threads, like where is that ignorance? Where 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.520 is that you know? Where are the missing links? And 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.160 how can I start to impact and influence my friends 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.200 to be more open minded, to be more curious, to 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.240 be better learners. And myself, by the way too, to 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.960 question where I'm easy quick to shut people down, Like 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.280 I've noticed that so much in me recently, Like if 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.720 I'm judging someone, I've really been asking myself, can I 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.360 look for that quality in me? Because I really believe 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.080 that the reason I'm judging it and I'm so triggered 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.240 by it is because I know it's inside myself, and 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.360 my judgment is just a reflexion of me not introspecting enough. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.600 So to me, I try and bring down global events 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.920 into the personal and intimate, because otherwise it's so chaotic 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:10.920 and so hard to deal with. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.880 I believe some people's judgment is a reflection of the masses, right, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.480 And that's my biggest thing I have with social media, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.680 And sometimes when people talk about their healing journey or 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.600 some of the things that they do, I think they 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.160 look for out actually without actually doing the necessary work right, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.600 So somebody might see Charlemagne and he's evolved, and he'll 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.000 explain the ways that he evolved, and somebody might jump 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.440 on it because they've seen it work for Charlemagne, but 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.400 it won't work for them. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.720 Because it's not in their heart, you know. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.680 I mean I think a lot of times, with social 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.880 media and what you said about the masses, I think 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.680 people follow a fake way of doing it to pray 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.080 for healing instead of trying to find their own journey. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.880 And I think that's the difficult part. And I try 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.040 to tell people and I think, you know, with some 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.760 of the things that you're doing, you trying to find 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:53.880 your own healing journey. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:54.480 Yes, you know. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.040 You give him example with George, Charlemagne gives an example 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:58.720 of his. I give an example of mine. But a 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.160 lot of times people will try to followed that and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.840 it doesn't open up their own mind to some of 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:03.560 their other thoughts. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:03.880 Yeah. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.880 Yeah, that's so powerful. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.840 And I think the beautiful thing about anyone who has 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.960 gone on a healing journey realizes how unique yet similar 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.120 it is. Like if we sat down and we talked 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.600 about healing journeys, all three of us, we'd find so 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.760 many similarities yet so many differences. And that's the beauty 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.280 of it that when you go down that path. And yeah, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.440 I would encourage everyone to not try and imitate. It's 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.720 almost like, you know, a few years ago, people's morning 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.440 routines became really popular, and all of a sudden, everyone's 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.720 trying to do the Einstein morning routine or whatever it 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.720 may be. And it's like, you're not going to become 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.720 that person by doing their morning routine. That's a part 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.960 of who they are. But what you're saying is that 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.360 there's an essence, there's a heart there that you're totally 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.240 missing out on. So yeah, I fully agree you can't. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.920 You can't imitate someone's morning routine and suddenly become them. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.800 I like what you said too, can you can you 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.240 really find truth in this world of extremes because it 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.160 feels like everybody got to pick a side. Yeah, And 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:00.760 like we talked about it before you came in, Like 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.080 I could sit down and have a conversation with somebody 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.960 and people will look at that as an endorsement. No, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.199 we're just having a conversation because there's got to be 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.560 some nuance in all of this, right that I got 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.960 a spiritual you know, the leader, one of my spiritual 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.440 teachers of Lutha Yadas, she always says, she says, there's 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.760 no such thing as right and wrong in humans. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:19.920 Do you do you believe. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.840 That there's no such thing as right and wrong? I 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.320 mean you could see that from the I guess it 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.400 depends what level of I guess it depends on what 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.080 level of humanity you're talking about. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:31.960 Right, they're legal, there's right and wrong. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.919 I guess morally there's right and wrong, and then I 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.399 guess thought wise or perception wise. Then you get into 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.280 muddy a territory because then what is right and wrong? 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.160 Because everyone's looking at everything. If you just think about 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.960 the multiple lenses that we've had, it's like if you 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.320 imagine that every life experience you've had is a crack 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.560 in the mirror. Right the parents you had, the town 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.400 you grew up in, the friends you had growing up, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.960 the school you went to, your first job, your first love, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.080 your first heartbreak. Imagine all of those are cracks in 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.080 a mirror. Now every time you're looking in that mirror, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.560 imagine how many different reflections and distorted reflections you're seeing. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.439 We're basically dealing with that with eight billion people. So 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:23.480 the amount of distortion in perception, reflection, perspective is so 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.000