WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Part I of The American Beauty Murder

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, I just want to make a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>quick announcements before we get started with the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>literally just got back from the airport. I was fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>enough to fly down to Atlanta this weekend to join

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<v Speaker 1>some amazing people at the Southern Podcasters meet up. I

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<v Speaker 1>finally got to meet Melissa Mandy for Moms and Murder.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been interacting with them since they first started their

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<v Speaker 1>show and they say such great things about us, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're huge fans of theirs, so it's pretty awesome to

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<v Speaker 1>meet them in person. Along with some other great podcasters

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<v Speaker 1>I met at Crime Con in Nashville. There was Erica

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<v Speaker 1>from Southern fried Trough Crime, Lauren Brooke from The Fall Line,

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<v Speaker 1>Nina from Already Gone, Steve from Trace Evidence, Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay from Corpus DELECTI, and Mo from Targeted and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give a huge thank you to Christine and

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<v Speaker 1>Larry for all their support and hospitality. It was great

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<v Speaker 1>seeing all of you and all the fantastic people that

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<v Speaker 1>came out to show their support for everyone's podcasts. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>our website had a major overhaul thanks to the talented

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa from the Secret Lives of weddings podcast and if

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<v Speaker 1>Madness podcast dot com. Finally, this episode is pretty special

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<v Speaker 1>to me. When we were at Crime Con in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to meet Steve, Devon and Joe from Thinking Sideways.

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<v Speaker 1>I really have been a huge fan of their podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for years, and for those of you who are familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with their show, you know that Team Sideways just recently

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up their podcast and have stopped producing content on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis. We talked about doing an episode together,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Stephanie Moore from our Cleaner's team came to

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<v Speaker 1>us with a huge and incredible script on the American

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<v Speaker 1>Beauty Murder, we asked them to record with us. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>they got their parts in before they closed up shop,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really want to give a special thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to Devin, Steve and Joe for helping us with this project.

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<v Speaker 1>It really was a huge thrill for me to work

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<v Speaker 1>with you. This episode turned out to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>longer than our regular episodes, so we broke it into

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<v Speaker 1>two parts, but you won't have to wait long for

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode, as we planned to release it in

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<v Speaker 1>around twenty four hours. Again, thanks for listening and on

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. The opinions expressed in the following episode

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<v Speaker 1>do not necessarily reflect those of the minds of Madness

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<v Speaker 1>podcast listener Discretion is advised. A toxicologist with the San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego County Medical Examiner's Office convicted of poisoning her husband

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to make it look like a suicide with

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<v Speaker 1>a scene from a popular movie of that time. The

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<v Speaker 1>victim was her husband, Greg de Villers. She had claimed

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<v Speaker 1>he was depressed over the disintegration of their brief marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and committed suicide. There was a wedding picture propped up

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<v Speaker 1>near his body. He was found lying on their bed,

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<v Speaker 1>red rose pedals sprinkled about, reminiscent of a scene from

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<v Speaker 1>the Academy Award winning movie American Beauty. There's also a

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollar civil suit judgment against her for the parents.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't expect to see any of that money, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least they don't want her to profit from this either. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>On the evening of November six, two thousand, in Loahia, California,

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<v Speaker 1>a distraught twenty four year old woman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Kristen Rossum made a frantic call to report that

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<v Speaker 1>her twenty six year old husband, Greg de Vellers, wasn't breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>When paramedics arrived at the young couple's home. They found

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<v Speaker 1>Greg on the bedroom floor, surrounded by rose petals and

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<v Speaker 1>their wedding photo placed by his head. He was still

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<v Speaker 1>warm to the touch, but unresponsive. At ten nine pm,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg de Villers was pronounced dead. Kristen tearfully explained to

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<v Speaker 1>the responding officer that Greg had been ill the previous

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<v Speaker 1>day and had overdosed on medication. As officer Garcia searched

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<v Speaker 1>the apartment for signs of drugs or a suicide note,

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<v Speaker 1>he found only a bottle of cough syrup and a

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<v Speaker 1>zip luck bag containing a shredded note. Kristen told the

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<v Speaker 1>officer that it was a love letter from another man

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<v Speaker 1>and that Greg had spent the weekend trying to piece

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<v Speaker 1>it back together. If Gregg had committed suicide, what had

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<v Speaker 1>he used to kill himself and how had he managed

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<v Speaker 1>to carefully surround himself with was petals. Join me now

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<v Speaker 1>as we take a look back into the suspicious death

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<v Speaker 1>of Greg de Villers, How these two star crossed lover's

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<v Speaker 1>paths came together, and what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Of their seemingly joyful marriage. On oct in Memphis, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful baby girl was born to parents, Ralph and

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<v Speaker 1>Constance Rawesome. Kristen had been born into a family of

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<v Speaker 1>wealth and prestige. Her parents were both accomplished, self driven academics,

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<v Speaker 1>Ralph a political science professor and Constance a marketing researcher. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>they had two more children, Kristen's younger brothers, Brent and Pierce.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rossum's appeared to be the perfect family. As a child,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen was strikingly beautiful, and her mother decided to devote

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<v Speaker 1>the next years of her life to establishing a modeling

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<v Speaker 1>career for her, but Kristen had other ideas. Soon after

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a performance of The Nutcracker in Chicago, Kristen decided

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to give up modeling for ballet. Her parents

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<v Speaker 1>did not object. As the Rossum family moved around the

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<v Speaker 1>Midwest following various career opportunities that came up for mister Rawsome,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen's talent for ballet continued to the people around her.

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen came across as highly intelligent, talented, and stunningly beautiful. However, internally,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen struggled with self esteem. She felt like a failure

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<v Speaker 1>who repeatedly disappointed herself and her parents. At five ft

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<v Speaker 1>two inches tall, Kristen often felt physically inadequate in comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to the other ballet dancers who were taller, leaner, and

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<v Speaker 1>more flexible. It's possible that these feelings of an adequacy

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<v Speaker 1>later became the driving force behind the future self destructive behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>In three, her father, Professor Ralph Rossum, PhD, was handpicked

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<v Speaker 1>by the Reagan administration to act as a consultant in

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<v Speaker 1>the field of juvenile crime. It was said that Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Rossum was the author of Nancy Reagan's Just Say No

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<v Speaker 1>to Drugs campaign. This prestigious position was equal to that

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<v Speaker 1>of the Deputy Assistant Attorney General. Dr. Rossum became a

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<v Speaker 1>recognized expert in his field, maintaining friendships with many high

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<v Speaker 1>powered associates, including Supreme Court Justice Scalia. In four, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rawsom family relocated to Claremont, California, where Kristen's father accepted

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<v Speaker 1>a tenured position at Claremont mckennet Colleges. Claire Mount, a small,

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<v Speaker 1>affluent community consisted mostly of white, highly educated residents known

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<v Speaker 1>for its picturesque tree line streets and small town feel,

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<v Speaker 1>it was often compared to the fictional town in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie pleasant Ville. Kristen's parents, both devoted Episcopalians, expected their

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<v Speaker 1>children to be driven, disciplined, and successful in all of

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<v Speaker 1>their pursuits. As a young girl, Kristen excelled in both

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<v Speaker 1>ballet and academics, consistently bringing home straight a's. At the

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<v Speaker 1>age of fourteen, Kristen, still pursuing her love for dance,

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<v Speaker 1>obtained the coveted role as the sugar plum Ferry in

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<v Speaker 1>a professional performance of The Nutcracker. Later in Kristen auditioned

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<v Speaker 1>and was awarded a spot in the prestigious summer program

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<v Speaker 1>with the Boston Ballet. That fall, her father, Ralph, accepted

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary guest position at a private liberal arts school

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<v Speaker 1>in southern Virginia so that Kristen could attend boarding school

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<v Speaker 1>sixty hours away while continuing to pursue her dance with

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<v Speaker 1>the prestigious Richmond Ballet Troupe. During that time, Kristen suffered

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<v Speaker 1>a bad fall, causing her to tear several ligaments in

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<v Speaker 1>her ankle. Unfortunately, she pushed herself to return back to

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<v Speaker 1>dance before she had completely healed, which caused her to

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<v Speaker 1>develop a chronic stress fracture. As the stress fracture was

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly re injured, Kristen was eventually forced to give up dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Around this time, Kristen, now fifteen, started drinking, smoking, and

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<v Speaker 1>doing drugs. She quickly learned their unexpected benefits to drug use.

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<v Speaker 1>They allowed her to stay up late and study, while

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<v Speaker 1>also helping her to stay Then usually weighing between a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and a hundred and ten pounds, Kristen started to

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<v Speaker 1>fixate on her weight. Around sixteen years of age and

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<v Speaker 1>no longer dancing, her mother and brothers started to notice

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<v Speaker 1>that Kristen seemed sad. They had attributed her sadness to

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<v Speaker 1>the loss of her ability to dance. While her grades

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<v Speaker 1>were still good, her behavior continued to change. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>her brother found a pipe, razor, blades, and small mirror

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<v Speaker 1>in Kristen's bedroom. He showed it to his mother. Naive

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<v Speaker 1>and unaware of drug paraphernalia, Constance was clueless as to

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<v Speaker 1>their meanings. Eventually, as her grades began to slip, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rasums decided that perhaps Kristen just needed space from their

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<v Speaker 1>constant attention. As Kristen was granted more independence. She started

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<v Speaker 1>to forge new relationships with a group of kids who

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<v Speaker 1>liked to party. It was her new friends who introduced

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<v Speaker 1>her to the euphoria of inhaling crystal meth. As her

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<v Speaker 1>weight and grades both began to plummet, Kristen soon realized

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<v Speaker 1>that she needed meth on a daily basis just to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain a feeling of normalcy. She had open sores on

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<v Speaker 1>her hands and face from constant picking and scratching. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>suspecting that Kristen might have a drug problem, Constance searched

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter's bedroom and discovered a hidden box containing white powder,

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<v Speaker 1>a glass pipe, and razor blades. No longer naive, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rossums confronted Kristen about her drug use. The discussion quickly

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<v Speaker 1>escalated into a physical altercation between Kristen and her parents.

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<v Speaker 1>During the argument, Constance slapped Kristen, who then ran into

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen and attempted to cut her wrists with a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>After Kristen's father wrestled the knife out of her hands,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen ran off and locked herself in the bathroom, where

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<v Speaker 1>she began repeatedly making superficial cuts to her wrists. According

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<v Speaker 1>to reports, her parents had decided not to seek medical

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<v Speaker 1>or psychological attention because the cuts hadn't been that deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Having been caught, Kristen promised to stop doing drugs, and surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 1>life for the Rossom's quickly returned back to normal. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't take long before Kristen's old patterns began to resurface.

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen's mother had finally had enough and contacted Officer Horowitz

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<v Speaker 1>to have Kristen arrested for being under the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>an illegal substance. Kristen was booked, fingerprinted, photographed, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>released into her parents custody. The raw Sums, with their

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<v Speaker 1>continued pattern of denial, decided the real problem with Kristen

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a drug problem, but rather it was a location problem.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided the best solution was to have Kristen graduate early,

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<v Speaker 1>then moved thirty miles away to the University of Redlands

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<v Speaker 1>in California. After her first semester, Kristen was doing so

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<v Speaker 1>well that her parents decided to allow her to move

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<v Speaker 1>into the dorm. With her new gain freedom, Kristen immediately

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<v Speaker 1>fell back into drug habits and her grade started to

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<v Speaker 1>slip again. Eventually, campus police discovered drugs in her dorm room,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was expelled from the university. Ashamed of her

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<v Speaker 1>physical appearance and relapse, Kristen didn't want to face her

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<v Speaker 1>parents and their inevitable disappointment. When her boyfriend came to

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<v Speaker 1>take her home from Christmas break, she was nowhere to

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<v Speaker 1>be found. Her parents immediately suspected her disappearance had something

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<v Speaker 1>to do with drugs. On Christmas night, Kristen phoned her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend and asked her to meet him at a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>in red Lands. She told him she'd been staying with

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<v Speaker 1>various friends for the past two weeks. She'd been missing

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<v Speaker 1>well he was showering, Kristen emptied his wallet, which contained

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars, and caught a train to the San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican border. Kristen was on the hunt for Math. While

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the pedestrian bridge into Tijuana, Kristen ran into Greg

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<v Speaker 1>de Villars and his two brothers, Jerome and Bertrand The

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<v Speaker 1>Deviller's brothers were just about to push through the second

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<v Speaker 1>turnstile when Kristen Rassum dropped her leather jacket, sparking eate

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<v Speaker 1>ful conversation. Since Kristen was traveling alone, Gregg readily invited

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<v Speaker 1>her to tag along with them. After crossing the border,

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<v Speaker 1>the four of them took a cab into a popular

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<v Speaker 1>Tea Juan, a tourist destination aligned with bars and dance clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>As Kristen and the da Viller brothers hopped from bar

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<v Speaker 1>to bar, it quickly became a parent that Kristen and

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<v Speaker 1>Gregg were attracted to each other. By two am, Kristen

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<v Speaker 1>and the brothers headed back over the border to the

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<v Speaker 1>u S where Gregg's car was parked. Greg invited Kristen

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<v Speaker 1>back to his two bedroom apartment that he shared with

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<v Speaker 1>his brother, Jerome and another roommate. Kristen did not object. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>back in Claremont, California, Kristen's parents discovered she'd missed her finals,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the day after Christmas, they had filed a

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<v Speaker 1>missing person's report with campus police. The intake report stated

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<v Speaker 1>that Kristen's boyfriend had last seen her on the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of December. However, because Kristen was now a team, the

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<v Speaker 1>report read that she was a voluntarily missing adult. An

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<v Speaker 1>entire month went by before the Rassam's heard from Kristen again.

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<v Speaker 1>When she finally did call her parents. It was to

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<v Speaker 1>share that she had met a nice young man, was

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<v Speaker 1>working three jobs, and had turned her life around. Greg

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<v Speaker 1>then lent Kristen his car so she could go see

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<v Speaker 1>her parents. It was an emotional reunion that ended with

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<v Speaker 1>promises and apologies. Next, Kristin drove to meet her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>the one she had deserted at the hotel and stolen

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<v Speaker 1>money from one Christmas Day. Her boyfriend heard an elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>tale about Kristen being kidnapped at gunpoint by white slavers

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico and driven around in the trunk of a car.

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<v Speaker 1>She told him that after she had escaped, she had

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<v Speaker 1>met a nice man who helped her get back in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. She assured him, however, that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>platonic relationship. Kristen's parents, relieved tear about their daughter's recovery,

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<v Speaker 1>drove down to San Diego the following weekend to meet

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<v Speaker 1>the wonderful new man who had saved their daughter's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Before her parents arrived, Kristen had coached Greg to lie

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<v Speaker 1>and tell them she was living with a coworker, seeming

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a healthier place. The Rossums talked Kristen

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<v Speaker 1>into resuming college and immediately helped her apply to San

0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Diego State University as a freshman. They collectively decided to

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<v Speaker 1>wash the University of Redland's admission and expulsion from her application.

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<v Speaker 1>After paying for her tuition books and giving Kristen rent money.

0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Her parents also bought her car to the raw Sums.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg was the saving angel who had brought Kristen back

0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to them. But while Gregg only saw perfection in Kristen,

0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.800
<v Speaker 1>his brother and roommate witnessed a different side to her,

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<v Speaker 1>one that was a liar and manipulative and a drug addict.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after Kristin moved into Gregg's apartment, things started disappearing,

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<v Speaker 1>such as jewelry, credit cards, checks, and family heirloom rings.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg blamed the thefts on Jerome's friends, and Jerome blamed Kristen.

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<v Speaker 1>When confronted, Kristen admitted to taking the items and begged

0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 1>for help to get off drugs. Jerome wanted her out immediately,

0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.920
<v Speaker 1>but Greg would not hear of it. He had fallen

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<v Speaker 1>in love with her and had made it his mission

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<v Speaker 1>to help her. While Greg and Jerome through a party,

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Kristen spent the entire evening in the other roommate's lap.

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<v Speaker 1>When someone asked if they were a couple, she burst

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<v Speaker 1>into tears, Asking the roommate to privately speak with her

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<v Speaker 1>on the balcony. She tearfully admitted to being in love

0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.359
<v Speaker 1>with the roommate and felt they were meant to be together.

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<v Speaker 1>The roommate declined her offer, which prompted him and Jerome

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<v Speaker 1>to move out of the apartment. They both hoped Greg

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually see Kristen for the manipulator that she was.

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<v Speaker 1>That next summer, six months after their faithful meeting, Gregg

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<v Speaker 1>told Ralph Rossom he wanted to marry his daughter. Kristen's

0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.720
<v Speaker 1>parents encouraged the couple to finish college first, which they

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<v Speaker 1>both reluctantly agreed to. It was at this time they

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<v Speaker 1>finally discovered that Kristen and Greg had actually been living

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<v Speaker 1>together since the night they had met. While the Rossums

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<v Speaker 1>were disappointed, they decided to put their thoughts on premarital

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<v Speaker 1>sex aside and paid for Kristen and Greg to move

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<v Speaker 1>into another apartment in the upscale area of Lajoya, California.

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<v Speaker 1>They were pleased with Kristen's turnaround and decided to help

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<v Speaker 1>the couple by paying for their rent. Kristen was majoring

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<v Speaker 1>in chemistry and had become a straight a student again.

0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Constance took Greg aside and made him promise to tell

0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 1>her if Kristen ever relapsed on drugs. Greg assured her

0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:51.360
<v Speaker 1>he would. Greg, like Kristen, came from a well educated,

0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.680
<v Speaker 1>suburban family. Greg was the oldest of three American born

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 1>sons to French parents, even Marie France Trimult Dave Fillers.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg and his brothers grew up in southern California in

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<v Speaker 1>a bilingual home, speaking fluent French. Even Marie had an

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<v Speaker 1>explosive marriage, with numerous allegations of physical violence, dual restraining orders,

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<v Speaker 1>and financial control issues. The marriage eventually ended in divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie moved herself and the boys into an apartment in

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<v Speaker 1>Palm Springs, California, and Greg got a job at sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>to help provide for the family. Despite Eves, their father

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<v Speaker 1>being a prominent plastic surgeon with the practice in Monte Carlo,

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<v Speaker 1>Monaco and Thousand Oaks, California, he often claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>financial problems. Back in the nineteen eighties, he was required

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<v Speaker 1>to pay child at alimony support in the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen hundred dollars but somehow always managed to find a

0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 1>way to avoid doing so. Despite the lack of funds,

0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the boys still had opportunity to play tennis, swim in

0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the apartment complex pool, and ride dirt bikes in the

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.919
<v Speaker 1>desert right outside their front door. All three boys had

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<v Speaker 1>part time jobs while at school, and after graduating from

0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Palm Springs High School, put themselves to work through college.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of summer nineteen seven, Kristen and Gregg

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<v Speaker 1>had been together for two and a half years and

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be happily married with promising futures. On June four,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen applied for a student internship position at the San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego Medical Examiner's office, where she was interviewed and hired

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot. Within a few short months, Kristen was

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<v Speaker 1>given additional responsibilities including drug screening, sending drugs out for analysis,

0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and drug sample preparation. She thrived in this environment and

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 1>quickly decided her future was in forensic toxicology. Kristen's early

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>reviews were filled with praise, and she was seen as

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<v Speaker 1>very bright and a diligent worker who learned fast and

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<v Speaker 1>was dependable. As there was no background check required for

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<v Speaker 1>a student intern position, no one from the Medical Examiner's

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Office would have ever discovered she was a former drug addict.

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<v Speaker 1>As such, she was given free reign to do the

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<v Speaker 1>samples of hard drugs, including meth and heroin. At first,

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Kristen was able to avoid the temptation, but unfortunately that

0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't last. In May, Kristen graduated with honors, and a

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<v Speaker 1>few days later she was invited to her first professional

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<v Speaker 1>toxicology conference. That year, the conference was held in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>where she met some leading forensic toxicologists. Later that year,

0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Kristen's mentor at the Medical Examiner's Office, Frank Barnhardt, left

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<v Speaker 1>to work for the San Diego Sheriff's Crime Lab. He

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged Kristen to apply for a job there, too, promising

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<v Speaker 1>to give her a good recommendation. She admitted on the

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<v Speaker 1>application to having been arrested and jailed for possession and

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<v Speaker 1>being under the influence of a controlled substance. She also

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<v Speaker 1>admitted to using math between thirty to forty times between

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<v Speaker 1>the years of her mother would later state she went

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<v Speaker 1>overboard with her honesty, she was rejected by the Sheriff's

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>department as unsuitable. In February two thousand, Kristen submitted her

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<v Speaker 1>official application to become a full time toxicologist at the

0:22:56.119 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>San Diego Medical Examiner's Office. This time time, her mother

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.959
<v Speaker 1>made sure she wasn't overly honest in her application, and

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>she was readily offered the job. In addition to the

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>easy access to illegal narcotics, she was also given a

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<v Speaker 1>key to the office, allowing her unsupervised access. The same

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>month Kristen started at the Medical Examiner's office, Greg graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from uc SD and began looking for full time work.

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 1>He quickly found a job with a biotech firm, working

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<v Speaker 1>for the company's vice president, Dr Stephen Gruenwald as his assistant.

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Greg was quickly promoted, and when Dr Gruenwald left for

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 1>his own startup in cancer research, his first employee was

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Greg the Viller's. The new job was demanding, giving Greg

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<v Speaker 1>and Kristen little time, I'm for their relationship. Greg's professional

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<v Speaker 1>life was going well and there were plans to send

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>him to law school at the company's expense to become

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<v Speaker 1>an in house attorney. Greg was the first to arrive

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<v Speaker 1>each day and the last to leave, being described as

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<v Speaker 1>the company's most positive person, with both Kristen and Greg

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<v Speaker 1>gainfully employed and succeeding in their careers. Gregg and Kristen

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>set a wedding date for later that year. Lwardly, Kristen

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:37.400
<v Speaker 1>praised Greg as their soulmate and savior to friends and family. Inwardly,

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>she craved passion and excitement from outside sources. Unbeknownst to Greg,

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Kristen had secretly begun to engage in sexual relationships with

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<v Speaker 1>co workers, fellow students, and men from her past. In

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<v Speaker 1>the dark about their daughter's restlessness, the Rossums began planning

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for their daughter's upcoming wedding. It was set for June five,

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 1>and Constance was making all the arrangements. She had already

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.120
<v Speaker 1>booked and paid for a prestigious location for the private

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony and reception. As the months went on, Constance had

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the entire wedding day planned with military precision. While her

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 1>mother was finalizing wedding plans, Kristen was still carrying on

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>an affair with a man who had just left San

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Diego for a job in New York. Kristen began having

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<v Speaker 1>second thoughts about her upcoming nuptials. Kristen told her mother

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>that although she loved Greg, she wasn't sure she was

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>in love with him. Kristen's mother thought it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a case of cold feet and didn't think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea to cancel the wedding. On Saturday June,

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<v Speaker 1>on a perfect sunny day, Greg and Kristen were married

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<v Speaker 1>in front of family and friends. None of Kristen's high

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>school or college friends were in attendance, and she had

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>no bridesmaids. But what Kristen lacked in friends, she made

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>up for with family. Later, Dr ross And would remark

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it was a perfect wedding for a perfect couple. Two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks after returning from their magical honeymoon, Kristen was emailing

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<v Speaker 1>her secret boyfriend and professing her love to him while

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<v Speaker 1>making plans to continue her affair. Greg was immediately making

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 1>plans for children. Kristen told Greg that any plans for

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>children would need to be put on hold, and it

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.400
<v Speaker 1>soon became a major issue between the newlyweds. Kristen would

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<v Speaker 1>later say she was becoming more confident as a person

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<v Speaker 1>and this was a threat to Greg. You early September,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Kristen became fixated with the movie American Beauty and telling

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>friends it was her favorite. By Christmas, Kristen had moved

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>on from her secret boyfriend and embarked on a new

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>passionate affair. While Kristen was busy juggling two secret boyfriends

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and her husband, she became enamored with a tall, handsome,

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>married thirty year old Australian doctor named Michael Robertson. Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Robertson had just been hired at the Medical Examiner's office

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>as her new boss and the chief toxicologist. From the

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>moment they met, sparks began to fly. Dr Michael Robertson

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was the golden boy of international forensic science and had

0:27:55.960 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the good looks to go with the title. After graduating

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>eating from Australia's monished University with a pH d, Dr

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Robinson worked at the Coroner's office in Melbourne, where he

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>was soon on the fast track to success. Dr Robertson

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>was soon offered a prestigious position with the National Medical

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Service in Pennsylvania. He and his wife then emigrated to

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>America to start their new life. Despite his outward perfection,

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Dr Robertson had a dark secret. Within a few months

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of moving to America, Dr Robertson began a relationship with

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a close personal friend of his wife's along with another

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>female employee. Dr Robertson was ambitious and joined the Society

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>of Forensic Toxicologist, commonly referred to as SOFT, and became

0:28:55.360 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>a regular presenter at their annual meetings, befriendings some of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's most distinguished toxicologists. He was a rising star

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in the field. He was well liked and described as

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the life and soul of the party during the many

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>conference social events. In early two thousand, Dr Robertson was

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<v Speaker 1>offered the position a forensic laboratory manager at the San

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Diego County Medical Examiner's Office, and he and his wife

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>moved into the affluent area of Laoya, just a few

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>blocks away from Kristen and Greg. Within a few days

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<v Speaker 1>of his arrival in the office, Kristen was going out

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of her way to spend as much time with her

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>new boss as she possibly could. According to co workers,

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>there appeared to be a mutual attraction between the two.

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>His new office had a perfect view of Kristen's desk,

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and she would be in his office constantly. It wasn't

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>long before the two were going to launch every day

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>and meeting outside of work. Their obvious office romance quickly

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>created resentment among the other toxicologists who felt Kristen was

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>getting preferential treatment. In May of two thousand, Dr Robertson

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>invited Kristen to accompany him to the May Conference of

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the California Association of Toxicologists, commonly referred to as CAT

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in Anaheim, California, about a two hour drive from San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>His friend Dr Daniel Anderson from the l A County

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<v Speaker 1>Corners office, was organizing the event. Kristen, along with Dr

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Robertson and fellow co workers, attended the CAT conference together.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Kristen attempted to avoid any impression of impropriety to minimize

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>further office gossip, but that intent mention lasted approximately one day.

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Back at their hotel, Kristen and Dr Robertson consummated their

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>romance for the first time and decided not only did

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>they have a future together, but they were destined for

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>one another. Within days of the conference, their fling moved

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>quickly into a passionate love affair. A week later, Kristen

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and Dr Robertson began exchanging gifts and roses when they

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>came back to the office from lunch. They would enter

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>within minutes of each other, sometimes freshly showered. On May,

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the first in a long series of passionate emails between

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the two started. Sitting just a few feet away from

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>each other, they would exchange long, flowery emails. Dr Robertson

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>wrote from his office, the deepest love is being able

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to let down all barriers and give yourself to another

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>who has done the same. This is what I feel

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>for you. An hour later, a reply came from Kristen.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a beautiful person and an inspiration to me. I

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>want nothing more than to give my all to you,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>my life, my love, my world. Their exchanges were straight

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>out of a romance novel. That day's exchange of love

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>notes ended with Dr Robertson telling Kristen that he loved her.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Her reply, I'll be thinking of you and all our

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>future has to offer. I can't wait for it to begin.

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<v Speaker 1>That same day, Kristen was simultaneously sending emails to Greg,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.719
<v Speaker 1>stating that she loved him more than anything in the world,

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and asked him if he could email her more often.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Twenty minutes later, she emailed Dr Robertson, telling him she

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted to spend the rest of her life with him.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>The following day, she emailed her brother Brent to tell

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>him she had doubts with Greg's ability to be a

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>true life companion. She accused their parents of pushing her

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>into the marriage because they had spent so much time

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and money on the wedding. She described Greg as unsupportive

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and said the most significant reason to remain in the

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>marriage was to not disappoint their parents. The following week,

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>both oblivious to the office gossip, Kristen and Dr Robertson

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>spent most of their working days writing ever more passionate

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>emails to one another. Kristen stated she wanted to leave

0:33:54.280 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Greg and moved to Australia to Mary Robertson. By Thursday

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>morning of that week, the two were so indiscreet that

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Dr Robertson's immediate boss found it necessary to address the

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>rumors directly. He said, I spoke to them about reports

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that were reaching me that there might be improper relationships

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>between Robertson and Kristen. I told him we could not

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>have a relationship in the senior subordinate chain of command

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and it would be deleterious to the morale of that division.

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Dr Robertson vehemently denied the rumors and immediately sent Kristen

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>an email telling her to delete all of their emails

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:44.240
<v Speaker 1>as they wouldn't be well received by office snoops. Later

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that afternoon, Robertson's boss called both him and Kristen into

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>his office, asking that they avoid being in close proximity

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:57.439
<v Speaker 1>to one another as it made other coworkers uncomfortable. Part

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of Kristen's job had including logging all of the illicit

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>drugs found at death scenes before they were disposed of

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 1>by the Sheriff's office. It was the absolute worst place

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for a recovering drug addict to be working. It was

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>later determined that illegal drugs were kept in such a

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>disorganized and unsecure manner that any toxicologist working at the

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Medical Examiner's office could remove drugs intended for destruction with impunity.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Kristen later admitted to smoking meth at the Medical Examiner's

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>office during work hours in the high pressure liquid chromatography

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>room because the strong smell was quickly dissipated by the

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>vented machine. Even Dr Robertson would later agree that the

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>office system for drug storage was woefully inadequate. However, it

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>would be another six months before he discovered how Kristen

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:59.240
<v Speaker 1>was using the system's weaknesses to support her drug addiction.

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Dr Robertson was soon promoted to the position of Chief Toxicologist.

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>He would now be in charge of all toxicology work

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>at the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. Kristen was

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>delighted and hit a congratulations card in his desk. Dr

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Robertson would regularly place gifts and roses in a box

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>under his desk with love letters for Kristen to fine.

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>They would continually give each other different colored roses with long,

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>passionate love letters about the various meanings of the colors.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Roses would become a special language of love between the two,

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>each color signifying a different emotion. Kristen saved many of

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the rose pedals in her desk. In June, Dr Robertson

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>was summoned to a meeting with the Medical Examiner Dr

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Brian Blackburn in San Diego homicide Detective Terry Torkerson. It

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>was explained that a death from five years earlier, which

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>had been ruled an overdose, was in fact allegedly caused

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 1>by a fentanyl overdose. As the San Diego Medical Examiner's

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Office didn't test for fentanyl. Dr Robertson had sent it

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 1>out to his old employer in Pennsylvania. It would later

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 1>be claimed that Kristen and Dr Robertson made use of

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>the facts that fentanyl was not part of the regular

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>talk screening for opioids conducted by their office. The newly

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>promoted doctor Robertson decided that the upcoming sl FT conference

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>would be a good opportunity for another romantic getaway, and

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>arranged to have Kristen in attendance to co present a

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 1>paper of which he was the primary author. However, everything

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>changed in mid July when Gregg found one of Robertson's

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>love letters. Chris did admitted to having strong feelings for

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the doctor, but denied anything physical was going on. Gregg

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>telephone doctor Robertson, whom he had recently met at a

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 1>social function, and demanded he had no further inappropriate interactions

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>with his wife. He also threatened to call the medical

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>examiner and reveal their affair. To Christian's relief, he didn't

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>do that, but despite these warnings, the affair not only continued,

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it heated up. In mid September, Kristen started writing a

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>journal of quote self discovery unquote. However, she never mentioned

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in her diary her relapse with drugs or her love

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>affair with Dr Robertson. Later prosecutors would claim it to

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>be a cliche written journal written for the sole purpose

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>of deceiving Gregg into believing her to be faithful and

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>drug free. In mid September, she had lunch with her

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>mother explaining her desire to leave greg. Her mother was

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>supportive and offered to help her move out. That very day,

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>she told her mother she was apartment hunting and planned

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to leave Gregg. In early November, Kristen and Dr Robertson

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>headed to the s O f T conference, having booked

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 1>just one room for the two of them. Later they

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 1>would alter hotel receipts and be reimbursed for two rooms

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>out of the Medical Examiner's budget. Once they arrived, they

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>were given materials that included an eight page article on

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>fentanyl written by doctor Daniel Anderson from the Los Angeles

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Medical Examiner's Office entitled twenty five Deaths on Fentanyl. A

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 1>few days later, they would both attend to presentation at

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the conference on fentanyl overdoses resulting in unintentional death or suicide.

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Later Kristen's old friend Frank Barnhardt, who had hired her

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.959
<v Speaker 1>for the Medical Examiner's office and had tried to hire

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>her at the Sheriff's department, commented she wasn't wearing her

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>wedding ring at the conference. Dr Robertson and Kristen then

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>announced that they were now a happy couple, explaining they

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>were in love with each other and in unhappy marriages

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>with other people. Dr Anderson said he wasn't surprised, but

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't approve and thought it unfair to their respective spouses.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Kristen follow him out of the reception hall Terria I had,

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>saying how much she and Dr Robertson valued him as

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>a friend and respected his position. He said he didn't

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>want to be part of a drama filled scenes, so

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>he tried to avoid her the rest of the night.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Kristen returned back to San Diego more in love than

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 1>ever and determined to separate from Greg by whatever means necessary.

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>From the moment Gregg picked her up from the airport.

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>After returning from the conference, the arguments between them began.

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Gregg became suspicious that his wife had had a relapse

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 1>on drugs and searched Kristen's purse, Greg found three different

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.800
<v Speaker 1>types of drugs. In an angry email, Kristen attempt to

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>explain away each of the pills he found as something innocent.

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 1>She accused Greg of violating her trust by searching through

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.720
<v Speaker 1>her purse, and even alleged she wanted Gregg to find

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the pills to prove a point that he doesn't trust her.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>On October two thousand, Kristen celebrated her twenty four birthday.

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>The night before, Dr Robertson hid roses and chocolate in

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 1>her desk. Her husband gave her two dozen red roses. Kristen,

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>running low on meth and also the funds to obtain it,

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>began looking into alternative sources to maintain her daily habit.

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>That day, at work, she made several web searches on

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 1>how to synthesize meth. That evening, she logged onto Greg's

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>computer at home and conducted searches on quote making crystal

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:45.479
<v Speaker 1>meth easy unquote. That same evening, Dr Robertson wrote christ

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 1>in a two and a half page letter, urging her

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>to make a lifelong commitment to him and hinting he

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>would leave her and move on if she didn't act now,

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole situation was playing out like a soap opera.

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>On the Friday before Gregg's death, Kristen became obsessed with

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>obtaining more bath. She continued web searches for making the drug.

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>In desperation, she took an extended lunch, crossed over the

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.919
<v Speaker 1>border and met a local taxi driver in Tijuana who

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>instantly became her drug dealer. He gave her his card

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>and told her in the future to call him directly

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and he would meet her at the bridge with her drugs.

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, November two, Kristin alleges she was at home

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>reading a love letter from doctor Robertson when Gregg caught her.

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>After he wrestled the letter out of her hands and

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>read it, He then accused Kristin of being on drugs again.

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>She stated, quote, he almost struck me. He read the

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 1>letter and was infuriated by it and was storming around unquote.

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Kristen grabbed the letter and attempted to shred it. According

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to Kristen, Gregg snatched it from the shredder and attempted

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to tape it back together. At one point, Greg allegedly

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>became so incensed that he threatened to take the letter

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to the medical examiner and reveal her fair along with

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>her drug relapse. The next day, Kristen stopped smoking meth

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in the event that Greg went to her boss and

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>she was asked to take a drug test. She then

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>went to Dr. Robertson's office and told him about Greg's ultimatum.

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.920
<v Speaker 1>That evening, Kristen's parents took Greg and Kristen out to

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>dinner for Greg's upcoming twenty seventh birthday and Kristen's twenty

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>four birthday. The Rossoms would later say that Greg was

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 1>acting odd that night. Kristen's mom tried to talk to

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>her into leaving with him that night, but unbeknownst to

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>her parents, Kristen had a plan of her own. Greg's

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>threat to expose her affair and drug relapse has scared her. Meanwhile,

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Greg was at home tending his hangover from the drinks

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>his wife had given him the night before. During a

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.240
<v Speaker 1>phone call that morning with his brother Bertrand, he complained

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of feeling tired and hung over. This phone call with

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>his youngest brother would be the last contact he would

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 1>have with anyone other than Kristen. At nine pm on

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Sunday night, Kristen left the apartment to call Dr Robertson.

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 1>This call lasted just a few minutes, and prosecutors believe

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:26.240
<v Speaker 1>this call sealed Greg's bait. Stay tuned for part two,

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.240
<v Speaker 1>where we will unravel how the sordid love affair between

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Kristin Rosamond Dr Robertson ignited more than a fiery passion

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>between them, but escalated to involve a plan that would

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 1>permanently remove Greg de Villers from the equation, a scandalous

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 1>case that would later become known as the American Beauty Murder.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.400
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0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.800
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0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:35.120
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0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.439
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0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.120
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0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.560
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0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:52.960
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0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.480
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0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.799
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0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.759
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