1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, I just want to make a couple of 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: quick announcements before we get started with the show. I 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: literally just got back from the airport. I was fortunate 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: enough to fly down to Atlanta this weekend to join 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: some amazing people at the Southern Podcasters meet up. I 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: finally got to meet Melissa Mandy for Moms and Murder. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: We've been interacting with them since they first started their 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: show and they say such great things about us, and 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: we're huge fans of theirs, so it's pretty awesome to 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: meet them in person. Along with some other great podcasters 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I met at Crime Con in Nashville. There was Erica 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: from Southern fried Trough Crime, Lauren Brooke from The Fall Line, 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: Nina from Already Gone, Steve from Trace Evidence, Jennifer and 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Lindsay from Corpus DELECTI, and Mo from Targeted and I 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: want to give a huge thank you to Christine and 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Larry for all their support and hospitality. It was great 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: seeing all of you and all the fantastic people that 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: came out to show their support for everyone's podcasts. Also, 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: our website had a major overhaul thanks to the talented 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Lisa from the Secret Lives of weddings podcast and if 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: you haven't checked it out, you can at Minds of 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: Madness podcast dot com. Finally, this episode is pretty special 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: to me. When we were at Crime Con in Nashville, 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I got to meet Steve, Devon and Joe from Thinking Sideways. 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: I really have been a huge fan of their podcast 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: for years, and for those of you who are familiar 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: with their show, you know that Team Sideways just recently 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: wrapped up their podcast and have stopped producing content on 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: a regular basis. We talked about doing an episode together, 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: and when Stephanie Moore from our Cleaner's team came to 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: us with a huge and incredible script on the American 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Beauty Murder, we asked them to record with us. Luckily, 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: they got their parts in before they closed up shop, 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: and I really want to give a special thank you 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: to Devin, Steve and Joe for helping us with this project. 36 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: It really was a huge thrill for me to work 37 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: with you. This episode turned out to be a little 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: longer than our regular episodes, so we broke it into 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: two parts, but you won't have to wait long for 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: the next episode, as we planned to release it in 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: around twenty four hours. Again, thanks for listening and on 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: with the show. The opinions expressed in the following episode 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: do not necessarily reflect those of the minds of Madness 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: podcast listener Discretion is advised. A toxicologist with the San 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Diego County Medical Examiner's Office convicted of poisoning her husband 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and trying to make it look like a suicide with 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: a scene from a popular movie of that time. The 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: victim was her husband, Greg de Villers. She had claimed 49 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: he was depressed over the disintegration of their brief marriage 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: and committed suicide. There was a wedding picture propped up 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: near his body. He was found lying on their bed, 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: red rose pedals sprinkled about, reminiscent of a scene from 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: the Academy Award winning movie American Beauty. There's also a 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: one million dollar civil suit judgment against her for the parents. 55 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: They don't expect to see any of that money, but 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: at least they don't want her to profit from this either. Yeah. 57 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: On the evening of November six, two thousand, in Loahia, California, 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: a distraught twenty four year old woman by the name 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: of Kristen Rossum made a frantic call to report that 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: her twenty six year old husband, Greg de Vellers, wasn't breathing. 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: When paramedics arrived at the young couple's home. They found 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Greg on the bedroom floor, surrounded by rose petals and 63 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: their wedding photo placed by his head. He was still 64 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: warm to the touch, but unresponsive. At ten nine pm, 65 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: Greg de Villers was pronounced dead. Kristen tearfully explained to 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: the responding officer that Greg had been ill the previous 67 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: day and had overdosed on medication. As officer Garcia searched 68 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: the apartment for signs of drugs or a suicide note, 69 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: he found only a bottle of cough syrup and a 70 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: zip luck bag containing a shredded note. Kristen told the 71 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: officer that it was a love letter from another man 72 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: and that Greg had spent the weekend trying to piece 73 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: it back together. If Gregg had committed suicide, what had 74 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: he used to kill himself and how had he managed 75 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: to carefully surround himself with was petals. Join me now 76 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: as we take a look back into the suspicious death 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: of Greg de Villers, How these two star crossed lover's 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: paths came together, and what secrets lay hidden beneath the surface. 79 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Of their seemingly joyful marriage. On oct in Memphis, Tennessee, 80 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: a beautiful baby girl was born to parents, Ralph and 81 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Constance Rawesome. Kristen had been born into a family of 82 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: wealth and prestige. Her parents were both accomplished, self driven academics, 83 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Ralph a political science professor and Constance a marketing researcher. Later, 84 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: they had two more children, Kristen's younger brothers, Brent and Pierce. 85 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: The Rossum's appeared to be the perfect family. As a child, 86 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: Kristen was strikingly beautiful, and her mother decided to devote 87 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: the next years of her life to establishing a modeling 88 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: career for her, but Kristen had other ideas. Soon after 89 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: seeing a performance of The Nutcracker in Chicago, Kristen decided 90 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: she wanted to give up modeling for ballet. Her parents 91 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: did not object. As the Rossum family moved around the 92 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: Midwest following various career opportunities that came up for mister Rawsome, 93 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Kristen's talent for ballet continued to the people around her. 94 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: Kristen came across as highly intelligent, talented, and stunningly beautiful. However, internally, 95 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: Kristen struggled with self esteem. She felt like a failure 96 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: who repeatedly disappointed herself and her parents. At five ft 97 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: two inches tall, Kristen often felt physically inadequate in comparison 98 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: to the other ballet dancers who were taller, leaner, and 99 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: more flexible. It's possible that these feelings of an adequacy 100 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: later became the driving force behind the future self destructive behavior. 101 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: In three, her father, Professor Ralph Rossum, PhD, was handpicked 102 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: by the Reagan administration to act as a consultant in 103 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: the field of juvenile crime. It was said that Professor 104 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Rossum was the author of Nancy Reagan's Just Say No 105 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: to Drugs campaign. This prestigious position was equal to that 106 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: of the Deputy Assistant Attorney General. Dr. Rossum became a 107 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: recognized expert in his field, maintaining friendships with many high 108 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: powered associates, including Supreme Court Justice Scalia. In four, the 109 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: Rawsom family relocated to Claremont, California, where Kristen's father accepted 110 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: a tenured position at Claremont mckennet Colleges. Claire Mount, a small, 111 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: affluent community consisted mostly of white, highly educated residents known 112 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: for its picturesque tree line streets and small town feel, 113 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: it was often compared to the fictional town in the 114 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: movie pleasant Ville. Kristen's parents, both devoted Episcopalians, expected their 115 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: children to be driven, disciplined, and successful in all of 116 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: their pursuits. As a young girl, Kristen excelled in both 117 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: ballet and academics, consistently bringing home straight a's. At the 118 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: age of fourteen, Kristen, still pursuing her love for dance, 119 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: obtained the coveted role as the sugar plum Ferry in 120 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: a professional performance of The Nutcracker. Later in Kristen auditioned 121 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and was awarded a spot in the prestigious summer program 122 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: with the Boston Ballet. That fall, her father, Ralph, accepted 123 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: a temporary guest position at a private liberal arts school 124 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: in southern Virginia so that Kristen could attend boarding school 125 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: sixty hours away while continuing to pursue her dance with 126 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: the prestigious Richmond Ballet Troupe. During that time, Kristen suffered 127 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: a bad fall, causing her to tear several ligaments in 128 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: her ankle. Unfortunately, she pushed herself to return back to 129 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: dance before she had completely healed, which caused her to 130 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: develop a chronic stress fracture. As the stress fracture was 131 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: repeatedly re injured, Kristen was eventually forced to give up dance. 132 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Around this time, Kristen, now fifteen, started drinking, smoking, and 133 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: doing drugs. She quickly learned their unexpected benefits to drug use. 134 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: They allowed her to stay up late and study, while 135 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: also helping her to stay Then usually weighing between a 136 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: hundred and a hundred and ten pounds, Kristen started to 137 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: fixate on her weight. Around sixteen years of age and 138 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: no longer dancing, her mother and brothers started to notice 139 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: that Kristen seemed sad. They had attributed her sadness to 140 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: the loss of her ability to dance. While her grades 141 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: were still good, her behavior continued to change. One day, 142 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: her brother found a pipe, razor, blades, and small mirror 143 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: in Kristen's bedroom. He showed it to his mother. Naive 144 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: and unaware of drug paraphernalia, Constance was clueless as to 145 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: their meanings. Eventually, as her grades began to slip, the 146 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Rasums decided that perhaps Kristen just needed space from their 147 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: constant attention. As Kristen was granted more independence. She started 148 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: to forge new relationships with a group of kids who 149 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: liked to party. It was her new friends who introduced 150 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: her to the euphoria of inhaling crystal meth. As her 151 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: weight and grades both began to plummet, Kristen soon realized 152 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: that she needed meth on a daily basis just to 153 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: maintain a feeling of normalcy. She had open sores on 154 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: her hands and face from constant picking and scratching. Finally, 155 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: suspecting that Kristen might have a drug problem, Constance searched 156 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: her daughter's bedroom and discovered a hidden box containing white powder, 157 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: a glass pipe, and razor blades. No longer naive, the 158 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: Rossums confronted Kristen about her drug use. The discussion quickly 159 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: escalated into a physical altercation between Kristen and her parents. 160 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: During the argument, Constance slapped Kristen, who then ran into 161 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: the kitchen and attempted to cut her wrists with a knife. 162 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: After Kristen's father wrestled the knife out of her hands, 163 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: Kristen ran off and locked herself in the bathroom, where 164 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: she began repeatedly making superficial cuts to her wrists. According 165 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: to reports, her parents had decided not to seek medical 166 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: or psychological attention because the cuts hadn't been that deep. 167 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Having been caught, Kristen promised to stop doing drugs, and surprisingly, 168 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: life for the Rossom's quickly returned back to normal. However, 169 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: it didn't take long before Kristen's old patterns began to resurface. 170 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Kristen's mother had finally had enough and contacted Officer Horowitz 171 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: to have Kristen arrested for being under the influence of 172 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: an illegal substance. Kristen was booked, fingerprinted, photographed, and ultimately 173 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: released into her parents custody. The raw Sums, with their 174 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: continued pattern of denial, decided the real problem with Kristen 175 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a drug problem, but rather it was a location problem. 176 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: They decided the best solution was to have Kristen graduate early, 177 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: then moved thirty miles away to the University of Redlands 178 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: in California. After her first semester, Kristen was doing so 179 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: well that her parents decided to allow her to move 180 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: into the dorm. With her new gain freedom, Kristen immediately 181 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: fell back into drug habits and her grade started to 182 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: slip again. Eventually, campus police discovered drugs in her dorm room, 183 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: and she was expelled from the university. Ashamed of her 184 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: physical appearance and relapse, Kristen didn't want to face her 185 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: parents and their inevitable disappointment. When her boyfriend came to 186 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: take her home from Christmas break, she was nowhere to 187 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: be found. Her parents immediately suspected her disappearance had something 188 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: to do with drugs. On Christmas night, Kristen phoned her 189 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: boyfriend and asked her to meet him at a hotel 190 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: in red Lands. She told him she'd been staying with 191 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: various friends for the past two weeks. She'd been missing 192 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: well he was showering, Kristen emptied his wallet, which contained 193 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars, and caught a train to the San Diego, 194 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Mexican border. Kristen was on the hunt for Math. While 195 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: crossing the pedestrian bridge into Tijuana, Kristen ran into Greg 196 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: de Villars and his two brothers, Jerome and Bertrand The 197 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: Deviller's brothers were just about to push through the second 198 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: turnstile when Kristen Rassum dropped her leather jacket, sparking eate 199 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: ful conversation. Since Kristen was traveling alone, Gregg readily invited 200 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: her to tag along with them. After crossing the border, 201 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: the four of them took a cab into a popular 202 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Tea Juan, a tourist destination aligned with bars and dance clubs. 203 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: As Kristen and the da Viller brothers hopped from bar 204 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: to bar, it quickly became a parent that Kristen and 205 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: Gregg were attracted to each other. By two am, Kristen 206 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: and the brothers headed back over the border to the 207 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: u S where Gregg's car was parked. Greg invited Kristen 208 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: back to his two bedroom apartment that he shared with 209 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: his brother, Jerome and another roommate. Kristen did not object. Meanwhile, 210 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: back in Claremont, California, Kristen's parents discovered she'd missed her finals, 211 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: and by the day after Christmas, they had filed a 212 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: missing person's report with campus police. The intake report stated 213 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: that Kristen's boyfriend had last seen her on the morning 214 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: of December. However, because Kristen was now a team, the 215 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: report read that she was a voluntarily missing adult. An 216 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: entire month went by before the Rassam's heard from Kristen again. 217 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: When she finally did call her parents. It was to 218 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: share that she had met a nice young man, was 219 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: working three jobs, and had turned her life around. Greg 220 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: then lent Kristen his car so she could go see 221 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: her parents. It was an emotional reunion that ended with 222 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: promises and apologies. Next, Kristin drove to meet her boyfriend, 223 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: the one she had deserted at the hotel and stolen 224 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: money from one Christmas Day. Her boyfriend heard an elaborate 225 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: tale about Kristen being kidnapped at gunpoint by white slavers 226 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: in Mexico and driven around in the trunk of a car. 227 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: She told him that after she had escaped, she had 228 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: met a nice man who helped her get back in 229 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: the country. She assured him, however, that it was a 230 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: platonic relationship. Kristen's parents, relieved tear about their daughter's recovery, 231 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: drove down to San Diego the following weekend to meet 232 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: the wonderful new man who had saved their daughter's life. 233 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: Before her parents arrived, Kristen had coached Greg to lie 234 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: and tell them she was living with a coworker, seeming 235 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: to be in a healthier place. The Rossums talked Kristen 236 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: into resuming college and immediately helped her apply to San 237 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: Diego State University as a freshman. They collectively decided to 238 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: wash the University of Redland's admission and expulsion from her application. 239 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: After paying for her tuition books and giving Kristen rent money. 240 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Her parents also bought her car to the raw Sums. 241 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Greg was the saving angel who had brought Kristen back 242 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: to them. But while Gregg only saw perfection in Kristen, 243 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: his brother and roommate witnessed a different side to her, 244 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: one that was a liar and manipulative and a drug addict. 245 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: Shortly after Kristin moved into Gregg's apartment, things started disappearing, 246 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: such as jewelry, credit cards, checks, and family heirloom rings. 247 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Greg blamed the thefts on Jerome's friends, and Jerome blamed Kristen. 248 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: When confronted, Kristen admitted to taking the items and begged 249 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: for help to get off drugs. Jerome wanted her out immediately, 250 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: but Greg would not hear of it. He had fallen 251 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: in love with her and had made it his mission 252 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: to help her. While Greg and Jerome through a party, 253 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: Kristen spent the entire evening in the other roommate's lap. 254 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: When someone asked if they were a couple, she burst 255 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: into tears, Asking the roommate to privately speak with her 256 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: on the balcony. She tearfully admitted to being in love 257 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: with the roommate and felt they were meant to be together. 258 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: The roommate declined her offer, which prompted him and Jerome 259 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: to move out of the apartment. They both hoped Greg 260 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: would eventually see Kristen for the manipulator that she was. 261 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: That next summer, six months after their faithful meeting, Gregg 262 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: told Ralph Rossom he wanted to marry his daughter. Kristen's 263 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: parents encouraged the couple to finish college first, which they 264 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: both reluctantly agreed to. It was at this time they 265 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: finally discovered that Kristen and Greg had actually been living 266 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: together since the night they had met. While the Rossums 267 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: were disappointed, they decided to put their thoughts on premarital 268 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: sex aside and paid for Kristen and Greg to move 269 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: into another apartment in the upscale area of Lajoya, California. 270 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: They were pleased with Kristen's turnaround and decided to help 271 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: the couple by paying for their rent. Kristen was majoring 272 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: in chemistry and had become a straight a student again. 273 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Constance took Greg aside and made him promise to tell 274 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: her if Kristen ever relapsed on drugs. Greg assured her 275 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: he would. Greg, like Kristen, came from a well educated, 276 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: suburban family. Greg was the oldest of three American born 277 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: sons to French parents, even Marie France Trimult Dave Fillers. 278 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Greg and his brothers grew up in southern California in 279 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: a bilingual home, speaking fluent French. Even Marie had an 280 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: explosive marriage, with numerous allegations of physical violence, dual restraining orders, 281 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: and financial control issues. The marriage eventually ended in divorce. 282 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: Marie moved herself and the boys into an apartment in 283 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Palm Springs, California, and Greg got a job at sixteen 284 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: to help provide for the family. Despite Eves, their father 285 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: being a prominent plastic surgeon with the practice in Monte Carlo, 286 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Monaco and Thousand Oaks, California, he often claimed to have 287 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: financial problems. Back in the nineteen eighties, he was required 288 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: to pay child at alimony support in the amount of 289 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: fourteen hundred dollars but somehow always managed to find a 290 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: way to avoid doing so. Despite the lack of funds, 291 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: the boys still had opportunity to play tennis, swim in 292 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: the apartment complex pool, and ride dirt bikes in the 293 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: desert right outside their front door. All three boys had 294 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: part time jobs while at school, and after graduating from 295 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: Palm Springs High School, put themselves to work through college. 296 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: By the end of summer nineteen seven, Kristen and Gregg 297 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: had been together for two and a half years and 298 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: appeared to be happily married with promising futures. On June four, 299 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: Kristen applied for a student internship position at the San 300 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: Diego Medical Examiner's office, where she was interviewed and hired 301 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: on the spot. Within a few short months, Kristen was 302 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: given additional responsibilities including drug screening, sending drugs out for analysis, 303 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: and drug sample preparation. She thrived in this environment and 304 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: quickly decided her future was in forensic toxicology. Kristen's early 305 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: reviews were filled with praise, and she was seen as 306 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: very bright and a diligent worker who learned fast and 307 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: was dependable. As there was no background check required for 308 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: a student intern position, no one from the Medical Examiner's 309 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: Office would have ever discovered she was a former drug addict. 310 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: As such, she was given free reign to do the 311 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: samples of hard drugs, including meth and heroin. At first, 312 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Kristen was able to avoid the temptation, but unfortunately that 313 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't last. In May, Kristen graduated with honors, and a 314 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: few days later she was invited to her first professional 315 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: toxicology conference. That year, the conference was held in San Diego, 316 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: where she met some leading forensic toxicologists. Later that year, 317 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: Kristen's mentor at the Medical Examiner's Office, Frank Barnhardt, left 318 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: to work for the San Diego Sheriff's Crime Lab. He 319 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: encouraged Kristen to apply for a job there, too, promising 320 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: to give her a good recommendation. She admitted on the 321 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: application to having been arrested and jailed for possession and 322 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: being under the influence of a controlled substance. She also 323 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: admitted to using math between thirty to forty times between 324 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: the years of her mother would later state she went 325 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: overboard with her honesty, she was rejected by the Sheriff's 326 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: department as unsuitable. In February two thousand, Kristen submitted her 327 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: official application to become a full time toxicologist at the 328 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: San Diego Medical Examiner's Office. This time time, her mother 329 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: made sure she wasn't overly honest in her application, and 330 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: she was readily offered the job. In addition to the 331 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: easy access to illegal narcotics, she was also given a 332 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: key to the office, allowing her unsupervised access. The same 333 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: month Kristen started at the Medical Examiner's office, Greg graduated 334 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: from uc SD and began looking for full time work. 335 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: He quickly found a job with a biotech firm, working 336 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: for the company's vice president, Dr Stephen Gruenwald as his assistant. 337 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: Greg was quickly promoted, and when Dr Gruenwald left for 338 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: his own startup in cancer research, his first employee was 339 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: Greg the Viller's. The new job was demanding, giving Greg 340 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: and Kristen little time, I'm for their relationship. Greg's professional 341 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: life was going well and there were plans to send 342 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: him to law school at the company's expense to become 343 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: an in house attorney. Greg was the first to arrive 344 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: each day and the last to leave, being described as 345 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: the company's most positive person, with both Kristen and Greg 346 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: gainfully employed and succeeding in their careers. Gregg and Kristen 347 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: set a wedding date for later that year. Lwardly, Kristen 348 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: praised Greg as their soulmate and savior to friends and family. Inwardly, 349 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: she craved passion and excitement from outside sources. Unbeknownst to Greg, 350 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Kristen had secretly begun to engage in sexual relationships with 351 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: co workers, fellow students, and men from her past. In 352 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: the dark about their daughter's restlessness, the Rossums began planning 353 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: for their daughter's upcoming wedding. It was set for June five, 354 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: and Constance was making all the arrangements. She had already 355 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: booked and paid for a prestigious location for the private 356 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: ceremony and reception. As the months went on, Constance had 357 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: the entire wedding day planned with military precision. While her 358 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: mother was finalizing wedding plans, Kristen was still carrying on 359 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: an affair with a man who had just left San 360 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: Diego for a job in New York. Kristen began having 361 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: second thoughts about her upcoming nuptials. Kristen told her mother 362 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: that although she loved Greg, she wasn't sure she was 363 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: in love with him. Kristen's mother thought it was just 364 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: a case of cold feet and didn't think it was 365 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: a good idea to cancel the wedding. On Saturday June, 366 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: on a perfect sunny day, Greg and Kristen were married 367 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: in front of family and friends. None of Kristen's high 368 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: school or college friends were in attendance, and she had 369 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: no bridesmaids. But what Kristen lacked in friends, she made 370 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: up for with family. Later, Dr ross And would remark 371 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: it was a perfect wedding for a perfect couple. Two 372 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: weeks after returning from their magical honeymoon, Kristen was emailing 373 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: her secret boyfriend and professing her love to him while 374 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: making plans to continue her affair. Greg was immediately making 375 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: plans for children. Kristen told Greg that any plans for 376 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: children would need to be put on hold, and it 377 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: soon became a major issue between the newlyweds. Kristen would 378 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: later say she was becoming more confident as a person 379 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: and this was a threat to Greg. You early September, 380 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: Kristen became fixated with the movie American Beauty and telling 381 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: friends it was her favorite. By Christmas, Kristen had moved 382 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: on from her secret boyfriend and embarked on a new 383 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: passionate affair. While Kristen was busy juggling two secret boyfriends 384 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and her husband, she became enamored with a tall, handsome, 385 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: married thirty year old Australian doctor named Michael Robertson. Dr 386 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: Robertson had just been hired at the Medical Examiner's office 387 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: as her new boss and the chief toxicologist. From the 388 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: moment they met, sparks began to fly. Dr Michael Robertson 389 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: was the golden boy of international forensic science and had 390 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: the good looks to go with the title. After graduating 391 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: eating from Australia's monished University with a pH d, Dr 392 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Robinson worked at the Coroner's office in Melbourne, where he 393 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: was soon on the fast track to success. Dr Robertson 394 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: was soon offered a prestigious position with the National Medical 395 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: Service in Pennsylvania. He and his wife then emigrated to 396 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: America to start their new life. Despite his outward perfection, 397 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: Dr Robertson had a dark secret. Within a few months 398 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: of moving to America, Dr Robertson began a relationship with 399 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: a close personal friend of his wife's along with another 400 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: female employee. Dr Robertson was ambitious and joined the Society 401 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: of Forensic Toxicologist, commonly referred to as SOFT, and became 402 00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: a regular presenter at their annual meetings, befriendings some of 403 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: the nation's most distinguished toxicologists. He was a rising star 404 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: in the field. He was well liked and described as 405 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: the life and soul of the party during the many 406 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: conference social events. In early two thousand, Dr Robertson was 407 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: offered the position a forensic laboratory manager at the San 408 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Diego County Medical Examiner's Office, and he and his wife 409 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: moved into the affluent area of Laoya, just a few 410 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: blocks away from Kristen and Greg. Within a few days 411 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: of his arrival in the office, Kristen was going out 412 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: of her way to spend as much time with her 413 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: new boss as she possibly could. According to co workers, 414 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: there appeared to be a mutual attraction between the two. 415 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: His new office had a perfect view of Kristen's desk, 416 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: and she would be in his office constantly. It wasn't 417 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: long before the two were going to launch every day 418 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: and meeting outside of work. Their obvious office romance quickly 419 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: created resentment among the other toxicologists who felt Kristen was 420 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: getting preferential treatment. In May of two thousand, Dr Robertson 421 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: invited Kristen to accompany him to the May Conference of 422 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: the California Association of Toxicologists, commonly referred to as CAT 423 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: in Anaheim, California, about a two hour drive from San Diego. 424 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: His friend Dr Daniel Anderson from the l A County 425 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: Corners office, was organizing the event. Kristen, along with Dr 426 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Robertson and fellow co workers, attended the CAT conference together. 427 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Kristen attempted to avoid any impression of impropriety to minimize 428 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: further office gossip, but that intent mention lasted approximately one day. 429 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: Back at their hotel, Kristen and Dr Robertson consummated their 430 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: romance for the first time and decided not only did 431 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: they have a future together, but they were destined for 432 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: one another. Within days of the conference, their fling moved 433 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: quickly into a passionate love affair. A week later, Kristen 434 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: and Dr Robertson began exchanging gifts and roses when they 435 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: came back to the office from lunch. They would enter 436 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: within minutes of each other, sometimes freshly showered. On May, 437 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the first in a long series of passionate emails between 438 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: the two started. Sitting just a few feet away from 439 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: each other, they would exchange long, flowery emails. Dr Robertson 440 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: wrote from his office, the deepest love is being able 441 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: to let down all barriers and give yourself to another 442 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: who has done the same. This is what I feel 443 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: for you. An hour later, a reply came from Kristen. 444 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: You're a beautiful person and an inspiration to me. I 445 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: want nothing more than to give my all to you, 446 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: my life, my love, my world. Their exchanges were straight 447 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: out of a romance novel. That day's exchange of love 448 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: notes ended with Dr Robertson telling Kristen that he loved her. 449 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: Her reply, I'll be thinking of you and all our 450 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: future has to offer. I can't wait for it to begin. 451 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: That same day, Kristen was simultaneously sending emails to Greg, 452 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 1: stating that she loved him more than anything in the world, 453 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: and asked him if he could email her more often. 454 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later, she emailed Dr Robertson, telling him she 455 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: wanted to spend the rest of her life with him. 456 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: The following day, she emailed her brother Brent to tell 457 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: him she had doubts with Greg's ability to be a 458 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: true life companion. She accused their parents of pushing her 459 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: into the marriage because they had spent so much time 460 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: and money on the wedding. She described Greg as unsupportive 461 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: and said the most significant reason to remain in the 462 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: marriage was to not disappoint their parents. The following week, 463 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: both oblivious to the office gossip, Kristen and Dr Robertson 464 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: spent most of their working days writing ever more passionate 465 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: emails to one another. Kristen stated she wanted to leave 466 00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: Greg and moved to Australia to Mary Robertson. By Thursday 467 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: morning of that week, the two were so indiscreet that 468 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: Dr Robertson's immediate boss found it necessary to address the 469 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: rumors directly. He said, I spoke to them about reports 470 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: that were reaching me that there might be improper relationships 471 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: between Robertson and Kristen. I told him we could not 472 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: have a relationship in the senior subordinate chain of command 473 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: and it would be deleterious to the morale of that division. 474 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: Dr Robertson vehemently denied the rumors and immediately sent Kristen 475 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: an email telling her to delete all of their emails 476 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: as they wouldn't be well received by office snoops. Later 477 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: that afternoon, Robertson's boss called both him and Kristen into 478 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: his office, asking that they avoid being in close proximity 479 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: to one another as it made other coworkers uncomfortable. Part 480 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: of Kristen's job had including logging all of the illicit 481 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: drugs found at death scenes before they were disposed of 482 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: by the Sheriff's office. It was the absolute worst place 483 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: for a recovering drug addict to be working. It was 484 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: later determined that illegal drugs were kept in such a 485 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: disorganized and unsecure manner that any toxicologist working at the 486 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office could remove drugs intended for destruction with impunity. 487 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: Kristen later admitted to smoking meth at the Medical Examiner's 488 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: office during work hours in the high pressure liquid chromatography 489 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: room because the strong smell was quickly dissipated by the 490 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: vented machine. Even Dr Robertson would later agree that the 491 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: office system for drug storage was woefully inadequate. However, it 492 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: would be another six months before he discovered how Kristen 493 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: was using the system's weaknesses to support her drug addiction. 494 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: Dr Robertson was soon promoted to the position of Chief Toxicologist. 495 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: He would now be in charge of all toxicology work 496 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: at the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. Kristen was 497 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: delighted and hit a congratulations card in his desk. Dr 498 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: Robertson would regularly place gifts and roses in a box 499 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: under his desk with love letters for Kristen to fine. 500 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: They would continually give each other different colored roses with long, 501 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: passionate love letters about the various meanings of the colors. 502 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Roses would become a special language of love between the two, 503 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: each color signifying a different emotion. Kristen saved many of 504 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: the rose pedals in her desk. In June, Dr Robertson 505 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: was summoned to a meeting with the Medical Examiner Dr 506 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: Brian Blackburn in San Diego homicide Detective Terry Torkerson. It 507 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: was explained that a death from five years earlier, which 508 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: had been ruled an overdose, was in fact allegedly caused 509 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: by a fentanyl overdose. As the San Diego Medical Examiner's 510 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: Office didn't test for fentanyl. Dr Robertson had sent it 511 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: out to his old employer in Pennsylvania. It would later 512 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: be claimed that Kristen and Dr Robertson made use of 513 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: the facts that fentanyl was not part of the regular 514 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: talk screening for opioids conducted by their office. The newly 515 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: promoted doctor Robertson decided that the upcoming sl FT conference 516 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: would be a good opportunity for another romantic getaway, and 517 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: arranged to have Kristen in attendance to co present a 518 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: paper of which he was the primary author. However, everything 519 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: changed in mid July when Gregg found one of Robertson's 520 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: love letters. Chris did admitted to having strong feelings for 521 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: the doctor, but denied anything physical was going on. Gregg 522 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: telephone doctor Robertson, whom he had recently met at a 523 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: social function, and demanded he had no further inappropriate interactions 524 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: with his wife. He also threatened to call the medical 525 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: examiner and reveal their affair. To Christian's relief, he didn't 526 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: do that, but despite these warnings, the affair not only continued, 527 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: it heated up. In mid September, Kristen started writing a 528 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: journal of quote self discovery unquote. However, she never mentioned 529 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: in her diary her relapse with drugs or her love 530 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: affair with Dr Robertson. Later prosecutors would claim it to 531 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: be a cliche written journal written for the sole purpose 532 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: of deceiving Gregg into believing her to be faithful and 533 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: drug free. In mid September, she had lunch with her 534 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: mother explaining her desire to leave greg. Her mother was 535 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: supportive and offered to help her move out. That very day, 536 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: she told her mother she was apartment hunting and planned 537 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: to leave Gregg. In early November, Kristen and Dr Robertson 538 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: headed to the s O f T conference, having booked 539 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: just one room for the two of them. Later they 540 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: would alter hotel receipts and be reimbursed for two rooms 541 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: out of the Medical Examiner's budget. Once they arrived, they 542 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: were given materials that included an eight page article on 543 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: fentanyl written by doctor Daniel Anderson from the Los Angeles 544 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office entitled twenty five Deaths on Fentanyl. A 545 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: few days later, they would both attend to presentation at 546 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: the conference on fentanyl overdoses resulting in unintentional death or suicide. 547 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: Later Kristen's old friend Frank Barnhardt, who had hired her 548 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,959 Speaker 1: for the Medical Examiner's office and had tried to hire 549 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: her at the Sheriff's department, commented she wasn't wearing her 550 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: wedding ring at the conference. Dr Robertson and Kristen then 551 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: announced that they were now a happy couple, explaining they 552 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: were in love with each other and in unhappy marriages 553 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: with other people. Dr Anderson said he wasn't surprised, but 554 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: didn't approve and thought it unfair to their respective spouses. 555 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: Kristen follow him out of the reception hall Terria I had, 556 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: saying how much she and Dr Robertson valued him as 557 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: a friend and respected his position. He said he didn't 558 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: want to be part of a drama filled scenes, so 559 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: he tried to avoid her the rest of the night. 560 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: Kristen returned back to San Diego more in love than 561 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 1: ever and determined to separate from Greg by whatever means necessary. 562 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: From the moment Gregg picked her up from the airport. 563 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: After returning from the conference, the arguments between them began. 564 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: Gregg became suspicious that his wife had had a relapse 565 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: on drugs and searched Kristen's purse, Greg found three different 566 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: types of drugs. In an angry email, Kristen attempt to 567 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: explain away each of the pills he found as something innocent. 568 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: She accused Greg of violating her trust by searching through 569 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 1: her purse, and even alleged she wanted Gregg to find 570 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: the pills to prove a point that he doesn't trust her. 571 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: On October two thousand, Kristen celebrated her twenty four birthday. 572 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: The night before, Dr Robertson hid roses and chocolate in 573 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: her desk. Her husband gave her two dozen red roses. Kristen, 574 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: running low on meth and also the funds to obtain it, 575 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: began looking into alternative sources to maintain her daily habit. 576 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: That day, at work, she made several web searches on 577 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: how to synthesize meth. That evening, she logged onto Greg's 578 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: computer at home and conducted searches on quote making crystal 579 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,479 Speaker 1: meth easy unquote. That same evening, Dr Robertson wrote christ 580 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: in a two and a half page letter, urging her 581 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: to make a lifelong commitment to him and hinting he 582 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: would leave her and move on if she didn't act now, 583 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: the whole situation was playing out like a soap opera. 584 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: On the Friday before Gregg's death, Kristen became obsessed with 585 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: obtaining more bath. She continued web searches for making the drug. 586 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: In desperation, she took an extended lunch, crossed over the 587 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: border and met a local taxi driver in Tijuana who 588 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: instantly became her drug dealer. He gave her his card 589 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: and told her in the future to call him directly 590 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: and he would meet her at the bridge with her drugs. 591 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: On Thursday, November two, Kristin alleges she was at home 592 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: reading a love letter from doctor Robertson when Gregg caught her. 593 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: After he wrestled the letter out of her hands and 594 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: read it, He then accused Kristin of being on drugs again. 595 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: She stated, quote, he almost struck me. He read the 596 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: letter and was infuriated by it and was storming around unquote. 597 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: Kristen grabbed the letter and attempted to shred it. According 598 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: to Kristen, Gregg snatched it from the shredder and attempted 599 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: to tape it back together. At one point, Greg allegedly 600 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: became so incensed that he threatened to take the letter 601 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: to the medical examiner and reveal her fair along with 602 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: her drug relapse. The next day, Kristen stopped smoking meth 603 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: in the event that Greg went to her boss and 604 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: she was asked to take a drug test. She then 605 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: went to Dr. Robertson's office and told him about Greg's ultimatum. 606 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: That evening, Kristen's parents took Greg and Kristen out to 607 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: dinner for Greg's upcoming twenty seventh birthday and Kristen's twenty 608 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: four birthday. The Rossoms would later say that Greg was 609 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: acting odd that night. Kristen's mom tried to talk to 610 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: her into leaving with him that night, but unbeknownst to 611 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: her parents, Kristen had a plan of her own. Greg's 612 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: threat to expose her affair and drug relapse has scared her. Meanwhile, 613 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: Greg was at home tending his hangover from the drinks 614 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: his wife had given him the night before. During a 615 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: phone call that morning with his brother Bertrand, he complained 616 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: of feeling tired and hung over. This phone call with 617 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: his youngest brother would be the last contact he would 618 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: have with anyone other than Kristen. At nine pm on 619 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: Sunday night, Kristen left the apartment to call Dr Robertson. 620 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: This call lasted just a few minutes, and prosecutors believe 621 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 1: this call sealed Greg's bait. Stay tuned for part two, 622 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: where we will unravel how the sordid love affair between 623 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: Kristin Rosamond Dr Robertson ignited more than a fiery passion 624 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: between them, but escalated to involve a plan that would 625 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: permanently remove Greg de Villers from the equation, a scandalous 626 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: case that would later become known as the American Beauty Murder. 627 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: There's a few people we really have to thank for 628 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: helping put this episode together. Firstly, and most importantly, Devin, 629 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: Steve and Joe from the podcast Thinking Sideways. I've been 630 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 1: a huge fan of their show and I can't tell 631 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: you how exciting it was for me to work with them. 632 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: Sawyer Westbrook and the team from Resonate Recordings for their 633 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: assistance in editing this show. And finally, a special thanks 634 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: to Stephanie Moore who researched and wrote this episode. Now, 635 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: with this part of the show, I normally say I'd 636 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: like to introduce to podcasts, but I kind of have 637 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: a feeling you already know them. They're huge supporters of 638 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: our show, and we think the world of them. The 639 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: Generation Wide podcast, How are you doing tonight? 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