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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Pew research says Donald Trump's approval

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Speaker 1: ratings stands at thirty seven percent, down from forty percent

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Speaker 1: in the fall, and soon to be much lower. We

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Speaker 1: have a great show for you today. New York's twelfth

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Speaker 1: district congressional candidate George Conway stops by to talk about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's assault on the free press, his jailing of

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Speaker 1: my friend Don Lemon, and his many, many other impeachable offenses.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll talk to Kim Hardy, who is running

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina seventh, a swing district. But first, the

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Speaker 1: stories the media is missing.

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Speaker 2: Molly, We're seeing a huge drop of the Epstein files today.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest things we're seeing is that Chislad

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Speaker 2: Maxwell shielded twenty nine different Trump associates and peers to

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Speaker 2: contain thirty two hundred documents that mentioned President Trump. What

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Speaker 2: are you seeing?

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Speaker 1: So the Trump administration has supposedly they're saying this is

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Speaker 1: the final release of Epstein documents. I bet you there's

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Speaker 1: going to be more.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like this could be ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: of them, right.

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Speaker 1: I think they've released something like three million, a little

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Speaker 1: more than three million pieces of evidence from the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more. Pretty interesting, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of interesting stuff in here. One is that Howard Lutnik

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five he said he would never

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Speaker 1: be in a room with that disgusting person. Ever, while

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve he was planning a trip with his children,

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Speaker 1: teenagers and a seven year old to Little Saint James,

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Speaker 1: so that's pretty interesting. In twenty seventeen, Jeffrey Epstein donated

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to an organization in Lutnix's honor, So

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Speaker 1: that's certainly pretty recent. There's a lot of stuff in there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that's redacted, and this is

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Speaker 1: so Trump administration. They put it up and then they

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Speaker 1: took it down. So there's this spreadsheet of allegations against

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Speaker 1: Trump released by the DOJ, then taken down. I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine who called the DOJ to ask him about this.

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Speaker 1: There's Elon Musk, right, who wanted to visit the island.

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Speaker 1: This is pretty great. So New Year's Eve twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: Musk was in the calendar for New Year's a year

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Speaker 1: later too, So Elon had said he was refusing to

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Speaker 1: go to the island. But actually I guess Elon had

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Speaker 1: been uninvited. Elon is really mad, by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: Sky News for reporting that he is in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: But here's an email to Elon from I think it's

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gee vacation. I will send Helly for you. I

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Speaker 1: will be in British Virgin Island, Saint Barts over the holidays.

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Speaker 1: Is there a good time to visit? Still having friendly

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Speaker 1: conversations In twenty thirteen talking about sleep, Elon Musk to

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Ebstein. So that is something. So we're definitely seeing

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Speaker 1: that Elon is in fact in the Ebstein files. Now

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Speaker 1: the incredible bit that I think is fascinating here is

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Speaker 1: you'll remember that when Elon had a big fight with Trump,

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Speaker 1: he said Trump is in the Epstein files. Boom. So

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Speaker 1: it turns out that Elon is in the Epstein files,

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Speaker 1: so boom. Also, FYI, Jeff Epp says, how many people

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Speaker 1: will you be for the helicopter to island? And Elon says,

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Speaker 1: just to Lula and me, what day night will be

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Speaker 1: the wildest party on your island. That is something that

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk types to Jeffrey Ebstein as one does with

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Speaker 1: there is a lot, there's a lot here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like this weekend is just going to

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Speaker 1: Trump's new pick for fed share also in the Epstein files. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so pretty good, pretty pretty good. He's in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: That is really something.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like the pedophile cable.

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Speaker 1: Brett Ratner too.

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Speaker 2: Of course, yes, well we do that actually. So in

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Speaker 2: other fun news, mister Trump says he wants to drive

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Speaker 2: housing prices up instead of lowering costs for people who

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump, during one of those Zeni cabinet meetings,

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Speaker 1: he says, We're not going to destroy the value of

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Speaker 1: opposite of affordability, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think that he said that's a democratic coax.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, this is where we are. We got a

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Speaker 2: It seems like he's focused on pretending he won a

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Speaker 2: different election if you ask me so. ICE has begun

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Speaker 2: buying mega warehouse detention centers across the US, according to

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. ICE is buying up the is

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Speaker 1: mega warehouse detention centers across the United States. There are

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Speaker 1: nearly two dozen communities have sparked protests over proximities to

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Speaker 1: they're making jails. Okay, two warehouses one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: among the largest jails of any kind in the country

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Speaker 1: goal here is to make these twenty three warehouses into

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Speaker 1: detention centers. But they're not really detention centers, okay, you guys,

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Speaker 1: because they're not going to be set up in the

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Speaker 1: kind of humanitarian ways that you supposed to set up

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Speaker 1: a detention center. These are going to be like makeshift jails.

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Speaker 1: These are going to be like black sites to detain

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Speaker 1: thousands of immigrants arrested by federal agents in Minneapolis and

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Speaker 1: other cities. Some of these people are not in this

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Speaker 1: country legally. Some of these people are right. They killed

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Speaker 1: They've kidnapped numerous children anywhere from the ages of five,

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Speaker 1: probably younger two. We saw a two year old. What's

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Speaker 1: happening here is the never again stuff. This is the

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Speaker 1: stuff what happened in other countries we came in and

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Speaker 1: rescued people. Now it's happening here. And I think the

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Speaker 1: real question is where we rescue ourselves.

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Speaker 2: YEP. One of the things, though, to remember is this

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Speaker 2: And yet the woke has come to Wyoming and they

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Speaker 2: booed Harriet Hageman out of her town hall for refusing

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Speaker 1: So, Harriet Hageman, I want to pull back and talk

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Speaker 1: about Harriet Hagerman. Harriet Hageman was the woman who ran.

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. She ran for that seat because she is

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Speaker 1: a craven opportunist. Right. She knew there's only one congressional

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Speaker 2: Makeup artist if I've ever seen one personally.

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Speaker 1: That is not relevant here to this, but let's just

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Speaker 1: go so that I am a student here at CC,

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Speaker 1: and I was here at your last town hall back

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Speaker 1: in August. You mentioned Lake and Riley, a male student said,

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Speaker 1: referring to the twenty two year old who was murdered

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Speaker 1: this poor woman. They have made her just like as

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Speaker 1: the one name they know. However, you did not mention

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Speaker 1: today either of the people who were killed in Minnesota recently?

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Speaker 1: Why is that the question? Elicited? In uproar from the crowd,

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Speaker 1: then she said, when I was speaking in August, I

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Speaker 1: because this is not about justice. It's about giving Trump

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Speaker 1: Is how we got here. This is autocracy. These Republican

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Speaker 1: congresspeople are handmaids of autocracy. George Conway is a candidate

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary in New York's twelfth congressional district.

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Speaker 1: George Conway, Hello, another truly insane day in Donald Trump's America.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Morning Joe this morning. Don Lemon has been

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Speaker 1: arrested last night in the lobby of his Beverly Hills

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Speaker 3: Fucking outrageous, fucking illegal, and fucking dangerous. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: Mom might be using that line, but that's the only

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Speaker 3: some law that says you can't interrupt church services. Let's

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Speaker 3: leave apart the question of the legality of that law.

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Speaker 3: I guess it makes sense. I mean, if you're really

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Speaker 3: truly disrupting and you're impringing on for somebody's First Amendment

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Speaker 3: guess that's that's certainly protectable. But if you're a journalist

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Speaker 3: and you're there and you're simply observing something, whether it

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Speaker 3: and I you know, it's it's just absolutely it's nothing

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Speaker 3: been he's been an absolute brilliant you know he's been.

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Speaker 3: He's been. He's been out there shoe leather in the cold,

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Speaker 3: doing journalism, doing independent journalism, more of which we need.

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Speaker 3: And you know, his rights are our rights. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if if, if the government can shut him down, he

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Speaker 3: for him. And I think I think he's gonna I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I think he will prevail in court. But

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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that, you know, it means, but it

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that this doesn't hurt because because other people

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Speaker 3: this is so bad. The government couldn't even get a

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Speaker 3: US magistrate judge to sign the arrest warrant, which is

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Speaker 3: normally you just get the Act. But David and and

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Speaker 3: not only did the manistrate judge not issue the arrest

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Speaker 3: of Appeals for the A Circuit, and the A Circus said,

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Speaker 3: what the fuck, No way, we're going to reverse the judge.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about the Eighth Circuit judge

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Speaker 1: who said what the fuck because he feels like a

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Speaker 1: real George Conway type.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't, I don't do you ever know him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know him at all. I kind of saw

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Speaker 3: a little online that he's a pro.

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Speaker 1: First Yeah, yeah, you know, he's a rule of lock

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Speaker 1: by W by W.

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Speaker 3: And by high crimes and misdemeanors, we mean actual statutory

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Speaker 1: They took four journalists, all of whom are black. Oh, surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: And I think that why they don't like journalists, why

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Speaker 3: this and it's not like that, and we all are

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Speaker 3: you know, and all the people have said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: he'll go a ways. It's you're exaggerating.

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Speaker 1: He's going to just play some golf.

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Speaker 3: Remember that down you know, Susan Collen has learned his lesson.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't. He never will. He's going to get more

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Speaker 3: and more dangerous.

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Speaker 1: George Conway, I have a question for you which I

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Speaker 1: think you will appreciate. So Susan Collins we're just talking about,

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Speaker 1: is running for reelection the state of Maine. Yes, she

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Speaker 1: calls a White House, tells them they got to pull

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Speaker 1: out ice.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Susan Collins did that?

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Speaker 3: Because she's trying to save her own skin and that's

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Speaker 3: all she cares about. Obviously, it's good for the people

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Speaker 3: of Maine that ice is withdrawn from Maine, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't help the rest of the country, and it shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be that. If you have a vulnerable Republican incumbent senator,

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Speaker 3: you get up, you know, you get past the government

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Speaker 3: from ice. Okay, we're all in this together, We're all Americans.

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Speaker 3: This only highlights the vindictive and political nature of how

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Speaker 3: the federal government, this criminal regime is using ice. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw out a bit of that in Minnesota when

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Speaker 3: Bondi wrote that letter to Governor Walt saying, Wow, it

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Speaker 3: might would draw ice if you do like give us

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Speaker 3: the give us your voter rolls, which has absolutely nothing

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Speaker 3: to do with law enforcement, nothing to do with relation.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it illegal to trade ice occupation? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know we've moved so beyond legal and not legal but

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Speaker 1: legal real ice occupation for voter rolls. I mean, isn't

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Speaker 1: that the craziest thing you've ever heard?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, positively insane, particularly when you consider that under

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Speaker 3: the constitutional structure that we have, states are principally responsible

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Speaker 3: for the administration of elections, even elections to federal office,

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Speaker 3: like running for Congress that's run by like hear New York.

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Speaker 3: You know you run for you run for Congress, which

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Speaker 3: you're on a ballot that's created by the New York

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Speaker 3: State or New York City Board of Elections. The same

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Speaker 3: way across the country. So you know, this is absolute.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these conservatives who are supposedly respectful of federalism,

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Speaker 3: they're trampling it. Don't give a fuck about it. They

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Speaker 3: don't give a fuck also about the Second Amendment, right

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Speaker 3: because they figures if if if Alex pretty has a gun,

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Speaker 3: he gets to be shot. That's that's their position. Now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're just unbelievably unbelievable gas lighting hypocrites.

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Speaker 1: Any conservatives. Are they losing any conservatives because they're losing

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Speaker 1: it in the polling, But we're not seeing that on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean you look, you all I can tell

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Speaker 3: you is I don't talk to these people, and but

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Speaker 3: I can tell you that you know, you can see it.

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Speaker 3: You can see it in some of the press. You

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Speaker 3: can absolutely see it in some of the press. He

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Speaker 3: saw some of the you know acts. I think Axios

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Speaker 3: had a story about how Republicans are just doing you know,

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Speaker 3: they're they're they're worried that going to get destroyed. And

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Speaker 3: when then we saw the most amazing example is that

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Speaker 3: gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota who is going to be the

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Speaker 3: Republican nominee, or it was the Republican nominee. BASICI says,

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Speaker 3: I give up. Yeah, you can't. You know, how can

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Speaker 3: you run with an art after your name? I don't

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Speaker 3: know how anybody after over the last several years. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I quit the Republican Party in twenty eighteen because I

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Speaker 3: was just out of control and it was a personality call.

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Speaker 3: It was better then than it is today. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how you can face the electorate as a Republican.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's shameful. And you know, this guy realized

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Speaker 3: it's untenable to run as a Republican in Minnesota now

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Speaker 3: because because the state has just been so thoroughly abused

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Speaker 3: by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Kim Hardy is a candidate for North Carolina seventh Congressional District.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, doctor Harvey.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: be here with you.

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Speaker 1: So first explain to us what you're running for, what

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Speaker 1: the scene looks like, Who are you running against. What

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Speaker 1: is the congressional district line.

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Speaker 4: So I'm running for North Carolina seventh Congressional District, which

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Speaker 4: is in the southeastern part of North Carolina. So for

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Speaker 4: anyone who's unfamiliar or slightly familiar, it runs the top

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Speaker 4: of it is think Fort Bragg, so Fayetteville and Cumberland County,

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Speaker 4: all the way down to Wilmington, over to Brunswick County

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Speaker 4: and back up. We have a total of eight counties,

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Speaker 4: but just little portions of two of them, and the

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Speaker 4: rest of them are pretty much intact. Unfortunately, this district

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Speaker 4: has changed five times in the last ten years, owing

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Speaker 4: to our expertise in Jerry manderin here in North Carolina.

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Speaker 4: But I think that is not going to benefit the

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Speaker 4: incumbent Republican. So I'm running against David Rouser and he's

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Speaker 4: pretty much been there for about ten years, we have

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Speaker 4: to say pretty much because we haven't seen him. He

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Speaker 4: hasn't done a public facing event with his constituents in

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Speaker 4: over eight years. Meanwhile, when I launched my campaign in

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Speaker 4: jill Lie, we did eight launch events in all eight

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Speaker 4: counties in eight consecutive days, because It's important to me

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Speaker 4: that the people of my district know that every single

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Speaker 4: one of them matters. I'm not just going to launch

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Speaker 4: in the county where I live or the county with

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Speaker 4: the biggest population density. I will be a representative for

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Speaker 4: all of these people, and I wanted all of them

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Speaker 4: to have the opportunity to meet me. So it is

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Speaker 4: an R five to an R seven, depending on which

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Speaker 4: report you look at. Cooks has us somewhere between a

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Speaker 4: R five and seven, But it is trending bluer, and

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Speaker 4: so we know it will still be an uphill battle,

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Speaker 4: as all races are, but we feel like this is

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Speaker 4: the moment to absolutely flip this seat and start changing

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Speaker 4: the tide in Congress. If you look at national trends,

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Speaker 4: it's in our favor as DIMS, and we think we're

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Speaker 4: going to capitalize on that.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us what the shift has been just from

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Speaker 1: the most recent election. And if you look at the

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Speaker 1: generic yeah, if.

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Speaker 4: You look at what we're seeing nationally, not even just

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Speaker 4: special elections, but also special elections, right like last November,

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Speaker 4: you saw Virginia change its legislature and give a woman governor.

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Speaker 4: Like you've seen so many races that were incalculable for

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Speaker 4: Democrats at a certain point have changed from being read

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Speaker 4: to fifteen twenty points to the left. Even in those

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Speaker 4: races where Dems haven't won, they've moved the needles so

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Speaker 4: significantly as to suggests that this blue wave that we

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Speaker 4: thought we'd get in twenty twenty is actually it's really

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Speaker 4: about to crash on into the waves of the political

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Speaker 4: scene in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, if you are running in an R plus

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Speaker 1: five on R plus six in a wave election like this,

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Speaker 1: you might not win in a tight election, but in

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Speaker 1: a wave election like this, yours is the kind of

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Speaker 1: seat that will absolutely flip if the numbers keep up

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Speaker 1: the spot correct.

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Speaker 4: And here's a thing that's also very good about our seat.

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Speaker 4: So I am the only Democrat in North Carolina who's

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Speaker 4: trying to flip one of the congressional seats that doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a primary. So right now, my incumbent does have

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Speaker 4: a primary. We're pretty sure he's going to out spend

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Speaker 4: his competitor, but we are not in a primary, and

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Speaker 4: that says something. It talks about the trust that the

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Speaker 4: people of the district have in me. It talks about

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Speaker 4: how ready folks are for us to just get a

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Speaker 4: really good, strong candidate in there, and that they think

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Speaker 4: that's me and I happen to agree with them on that.

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Speaker 4: I think this is the moment and I'm the one

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Speaker 4: that can get it done.

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Speaker 1: So tell us why you were the choice that everyone packed.

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Speaker 4: So one of the other roles I have is I'm

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Speaker 4: second vice chair of the North Carolina Democratic Party and

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Speaker 4: so as such, and I'm in my second term now.

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Speaker 4: So I've been all over the state. I've been all

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Speaker 4: over this district. I live in this district, and so

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Speaker 4: I know these people. I know what their issues are.

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Speaker 4: I'm affected by those same issues as well, and so

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Speaker 4: for me showing up for them just as a party

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Speaker 4: officer helping other candidates get elected, that gave me great

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Speaker 4: insight into what the needs are for the whole of

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Speaker 4: this district as well as for the states. So we

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Speaker 4: know how our district plays with the rest of the state.

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Speaker 4: I'm also a social worker social work professor right now,

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Speaker 4: but I know what it looks like when these policies,

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Speaker 4: like when they wanted to cut SNAP benefits or when

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Speaker 4: they want to get rid of ACA subsidies. I know

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Speaker 4: what that looks like in real time to families and communities,

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Speaker 4: not just because of the data nerd in me, but

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Speaker 4: because I've seen it. I've worked on the front lines

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Speaker 4: of it. And so in our district, District seven, we

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Speaker 4: have the highest percentage use of SNAP benefits and Medicaid

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Speaker 4: in the state, or the second highest rather, and so

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Speaker 4: that really matters because we need someone who's in this district,

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Speaker 4: representing this district to ensure that things like SNAP benefits

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Speaker 4: getting cut doesn't happen. Like he lives in this district too.

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Speaker 4: How could you know that this is what's happening to

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Speaker 4: people and do nothing. So I've spent my entire career

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Speaker 4: building bridges, working with various constituent groups on behalf of

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Speaker 4: people who are living on society's margins economically, socially, or otherwise.

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Speaker 4: And I know how to get this done. And I

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Speaker 4: think the people of my district have seen that in

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Speaker 4: me and that's why they were willing to let me

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Speaker 4: be the nominee.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. You know, we

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Speaker 1: spend so much time at the state level talking about

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Speaker 1: implementing policy and so little time at the federal level

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Speaker 1: doing it. And you know, it's funny. When I'm listening

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Speaker 1: to you, I'm thinking, Oh, that's right. Congress needs to

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Speaker 1: pass things. And now that we're seeing a return to

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Speaker 1: ear marks, there is a sense where we really are

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Speaker 1: seeing legislators able to fight for the specific things that

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Speaker 1: their districts need and want.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's critical. But it's been missing. Like

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Speaker 4: the last time David Rouser had any legislation actually signed

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Speaker 4: into law was by President Barack Obama, Like it has

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Speaker 4: been ages since he has been of any consequence in

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Speaker 4: a positive way to this district. I have talked just

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Speaker 4: so many veterans, like this is the home of Fort Bragg, right,

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Speaker 4: and so we have so many veterans here who have

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Speaker 4: told me that they've written these long and passioned emails

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Speaker 4: to David and said, listen, I've had five different Price

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Speaker 4: Mary Care doctors in the last five months. Is there

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Speaker 4: anything you can do? And they get back a form

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Speaker 4: letter that's like, thank you for reaching out to our office,

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Speaker 4: Like this is not what representation looks like. There are

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Speaker 4: things that he could do to help with those veterans issues.

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Speaker 4: Water quality in our district is horrifying. We have the

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Speaker 4: p foss chemicals that are in the water and it

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Speaker 4: is impacting so many different aspects of life here, from

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Speaker 4: everybody's individual homes not having clean water coming in to

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Speaker 4: how it's affecting the fishing industry in Brunswick and Wilmington.

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Speaker 4: And he does nothing about that. So if earmarks are

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Speaker 4: a thing we can do, if your job is to

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Speaker 4: go to DC and get some of that budget called

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Speaker 4: that back so that we can do something in our

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Speaker 4: own district. He has not done any of that work.

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Speaker 4: But I can't wait to get there so I.

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Speaker 1: Can Those forever chemicals that cause cancer are a big deal.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is that there have been members of

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Speaker 1: Congress who have been good at constituent services, and maybe

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Speaker 1: they've been bad congress people, but because they've been good

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Speaker 1: at in their constituents, they still get the vote. So

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Speaker 1: it is a good sign for you in a way.

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Speaker 1: It's signed that you could flip the seat that he's

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Speaker 1: so bad at constituent services. Can you say more about that?

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Speaker 4: I have talked to countless people who have reached out

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Speaker 4: to him, either because of their own needs, like the

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Speaker 4: gentleman I was talking about earlier, about community needs like

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Speaker 4: the water issue, or just saying, hey, we don't want

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Speaker 4: you to vote for this thing, we want to tell

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Speaker 4: you how we feel about a thing, and he doesn't

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Speaker 4: respond at all, or if you can get him on

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Speaker 4: the phone, and it's been increasingly more difficult to do.

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Speaker 4: He basically just sort of talks around an issue and

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Speaker 4: paternalizes folks and that's it. And so if people feel

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Speaker 4: completely unheard. A couple of months ago, probably closer to

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Speaker 4: a year ago, a big group of folks went to

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Speaker 4: his office that he's supposed to have, the constituent office

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Speaker 4: he's supposed to have in the district, and there was

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Speaker 4: no one there, and so they did a great, big

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Speaker 4: protest out front of his office and they said, you know,

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Speaker 4: he told us eight years ago that he would do

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Speaker 4: a town hall every year, and he hasn't done one since.

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Speaker 4: And so when you feel like you know this person

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Speaker 4: is I'm paying this person with my tax dollars. It's

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Speaker 4: in the name, you're supposed to be a representative. You're

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Speaker 4: not listening to me, you're not responding to me, and

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Speaker 4: when you do, it's just an empty sleeve that starts

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Speaker 4: to make folks feel like they're unheard and unseen. And

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Speaker 4: so when I show up, it's like a breath of

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00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: fresh air because folks are like, so you genuinely want

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Speaker 4: to hear what I have to say. You're actually listening.

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Speaker 4: And there have been times where they've brought a problem

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Speaker 4: to me and I was already able to solve that

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Speaker 4: for them. And that's what this job is about. David

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Speaker 4: isn't taking it very seriously. I absolutely do.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if we could talk. You're in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: which is a sort of a swingy state with a

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Speaker 1: blue governor. Will you explain to us what it's like

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Speaker 1: when you talk to people on the ground, because I

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Speaker 1: think there's been a real sea change and a real shift.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder what it's like when you talk to people.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. We have had some really great conversations.

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Speaker 4: I we just received something on our website the other

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Speaker 4: day from a woman and her husband who have been

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Speaker 4: lifelong Republicans, and they're like, enough is enough. We're behind

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Speaker 4: you one hundred percent. It's time to listen to your constituents,

694
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Speaker 4: not your president. I've had moderate Republicans come up and say,

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Speaker 4: I'm a moderate Republican, but I'm all in on you.

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Speaker 4: So we've had a lot of unaffiliated folks who feel

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Speaker 4: very hurt because the issues were addressing and my campaign

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Speaker 4: sort of three legged duol is better jobs, better schools,

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Speaker 4: better healthcare. You know, they hear themselves in those issues,

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Speaker 4: and so what they're hearing is there's potential for us

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Speaker 4: to have somebody who actually cares. But why they're feeling

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00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: that way is because they feel hopeless. There's so much

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Speaker 4: frustration right now. People feel like there's nothing they can do,

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Speaker 4: and it feels kind of like there's like an unsatisfying

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Speaker 4: answer to say, well, we just have to get to November.

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Speaker 4: But I think the tide is shifting, like you mentioned before,

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Speaker 4: where all of the active is class is showing up

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Speaker 4: not just at the rallies but at ballot boxes and

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Speaker 4: municipals and special elections. And so I think there is

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Speaker 4: this sense that, you know what, we have the power

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Speaker 4: to change this if we don't like it. And so

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Speaker 4: I thought I've seen folks go from it's hopeless or

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Speaker 4: I'm scared too, I'm angry and I want to get active.

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Speaker 4: And we've heard it from across the political spectrum.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the issues are for people on

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Speaker 1: the ground in North Carolina.

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Speaker 4: I actually ask them this all the time when I

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Speaker 4: do call time, when I'm doing events, I go, what

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Speaker 4: are the issues that are top of mind for you?

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Speaker 4: Some of them do the broader like we're losing our democracy,

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Speaker 4: we have to stop fascism. We get those and those

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Speaker 4: are real. Then we have the things like that we're

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Speaker 4: talking about, you know, the Medicaid and Medicare. We have

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Speaker 4: Columbus County, which is a very very low wealth county

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Speaker 4: that has one small regional hospital and I am very

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Speaker 4: worried that it's going to close. The doctors and nurses

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Speaker 4: there are as well, and that means they will be

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Speaker 4: forty five minutes away from the next available house.

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Speaker 1: That's insane.

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Speaker 4: So healthcare and its accessibility, not even just Medicaid Medicare,

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Speaker 4: but the ability to have ready access to a place

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Speaker 4: where they can go get care, that is a real issue.

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Speaker 4: Most of North Carolina is rural, where the second most

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Speaker 4: rural state in the country. Most folks don't realize that

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Speaker 4: for some reason, but we are. And a lot of

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Speaker 4: rural community makes up my district, and so we have

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Speaker 4: farmers who were struggling too. We have folks who are

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Speaker 4: living in urban spaces where they're struggling as well. Navasa

739
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Speaker 4: is a superfund site, so there's all the dioxins and

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Speaker 4: the chemicals in the land. So everybody's got a thing

741
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Speaker 4: that sort of bespoke to where they live. But the

742
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Speaker 4: broader issues really are we have to take back our country,

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Speaker 4: save our democracy, and then we need to attend to

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Speaker 4: kitchen table issues. It's things like schools, it's things like jobs.

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Speaker 4: We have not raised the minimum wage in so many years.

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Speaker 4: It was my son was a child the last time

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Speaker 4: we raised it and he's in college now. So these

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Speaker 4: are all the issues that people are dealing with in

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Speaker 4: their day to day lives. Those are the ones you hear.

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Speaker 4: And then the existential issues around democracy and fascism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which makes sense. North Carolina is such a hard

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Speaker 1: state to crack like I have in a way, like

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Speaker 1: there's Zanete there. The governor is running for the former

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Speaker 1: governors running for it. Why do you think North Carolina

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Speaker 1: is so hard for Democrats to crack. This is not

756
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Speaker 1: about your race, just in general, because you're there.

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Speaker 4: Jerrymandering like in a nutshell, right. Like I joke with

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Speaker 4: people and say, North Carolina is great at two things,

759
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Speaker 4: barbecue and jerrymandering. I mean, if you look at the map,

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Speaker 4: look what they just did to NC one where Don

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Speaker 4: Davis is one of our few Democratic congressional representatives. They

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Speaker 4: just drew him out of the district and they made

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Speaker 4: it almost it looks on paper anyway, almost impossible to

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Speaker 4: win because they made it so red. If you look

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Speaker 4: at our congressional map across the state, there are little

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Speaker 4: pockets of blue, some pockets of pain. And they're doing

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Speaker 4: that with intentionality. They've been doing this since before Trump

768
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Speaker 4: asked for it. This time they're doing this because they

769
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Speaker 4: know that their policies are not popular even with their base,

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Speaker 4: and the only way they can win is to rig

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Speaker 4: it in this way. I was one of the people

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Speaker 4: that Jefferson Griffin wanted to throw out my registration when

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Speaker 4: our Supreme Court justice race for Alison Riggs was up

774
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Speaker 4: last cycle. I mean, how can you decide, younilaterally that

775
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Speaker 4: all of these votes no longer count because I'm dissatisfied

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Speaker 4: with the results of the election. We fight it out

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Speaker 4: on the battlefield of the ballot box, and if your

778
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Speaker 4: team loses, then you need to regroup and try again

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Speaker 4: in a way that's more befitting. But when you get

780
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Speaker 4: to pick who your voters are rather than letting your

781
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Speaker 4: voters pick who their representatives are, that is why we're

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Speaker 4: so hard to crack. And two cycles ago, our congressional

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Speaker 4: delegation was seven and seven. It looked very much like

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Speaker 4: North Carolina looks. And yet when you have a Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court that allows things like jerrymandering and the lines outside

786
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Speaker 4: of the timeline, this is what you get.

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Speaker 1: But they don't have a supermajority now right because of Grigs,

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Speaker 1: so they can't make as crazy laws.

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Speaker 4: Right, not as crazy. I mean, we still only have

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Speaker 4: two Democrats on the state Supreme Court. The other one

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Speaker 4: is Justice Anita Earls, who we absolutely also have to

792
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Speaker 4: elect in twenty twenty six. But we do still have

793
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Speaker 4: to flip the other three seats that will have up

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty eight to get the majority back. We

795
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Speaker 4: know that this election's maps are set even with what

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Speaker 4: they did to NC one in three, so that's a relief.

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Speaker 4: But you know, there are some things that our state

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Speaker 4: legislature could be doing, Like, for example, we're the only

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Speaker 4: state in the country who still hasn't passed the state budget.

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Speaker 4: And so while they're so busy redrawing lines to give

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Speaker 4: themselves unfair advantages, the people of the state are still

802
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Speaker 4: without a budget.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable, ulous, annoying, and ridiculous. So you could be the

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Speaker 1: person who makes the majority for Democrats, I could, and.

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Speaker 4: I would love that. I mean for any sort of

806
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Speaker 4: self aggrandizing reason, but because it's time for us to

807
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Speaker 4: have people in Congress who care about the people they represent,

808
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Speaker 4: who understand the consequential nature of the decisions that they

809
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Speaker 4: are making, who are driven by purpose and not by

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Speaker 4: self indulgence and personal wealth. Because the most profitable or

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Speaker 4: one of the top most profitable stock portfolios in Congress

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Speaker 4: comes from say it with me, David Rouser, right, and

813
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Speaker 4: so like, what are you doing up there? And I'm

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Speaker 4: happy that you're making a comfortable living, but I just

815
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: think it's so derelict for you not to make sure

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Speaker 4: that the people of your district and the people of

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Speaker 4: this state have the same opportunity to do that. Now

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Speaker 4: David also takes a lot of corporate pack money. We

819
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Speaker 4: don't do any of that, and so ours is a

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Speaker 4: people driven and people powered campaign. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 4: have over one thousand unique donors who have donated to

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Speaker 4: this campaign. If anyone is out there wanting to know

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Speaker 4: if they can donate, they can. Don't want to be

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Speaker 4: beholden to anyone except the voters of this district.

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Speaker 1: Will you support a congressional stock trading ban?

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Speaker 4: I do, and I've got that on my website. So

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Speaker 4: that's not even just something like someone could go and

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Speaker 4: look right now and see, I don't believe that that's

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Speaker 4: what we should be doing using the office for a

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Speaker 4: personal enrichment.

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Speaker 1: And when you're in converse tif this works. We make

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Speaker 1: sure to hold power to account, you know. And if

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Speaker 1: you feel that leadership is not doing the job they

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Speaker 1: should be, and maybe they will be, and maybe that

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Speaker 1: won't be, will you make sure to caucus with the

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Speaker 1: right group of people and make sure they do what

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Speaker 1: their job is and leadership, Absolutely, I would not have

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Speaker 1: voted in favor of this ice budget appropriation for example,

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Speaker 1: Like some stuff's just wrong. And you know, both of

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Speaker 1: my parents were in law enforcement, All the men in

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Speaker 1: my family were in the military. For me, Service and

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00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: purpose and mission have always been a part of my

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Speaker 1: life's blood. And that's what I've done as a social worker,

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Speaker 1: It's what I do as a second vice chair, It's

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Speaker 1: what I'll do as a congresswoman. I am not above

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Speaker 1: telling folks because that's what our job is, is to

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Speaker 1: speak truth to power.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes they need to hear that this is not

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Speaker 4: the right way to do a thing, and I don't

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Speaker 4: mind being the one to tell them that.

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Speaker 1: I love this. Thank you so much. It was great

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Speaker 1: to get to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: My campaign manager would be very upset with me if

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Speaker 4: I didn't tell everyone to please visit Kimberly Party for

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Speaker 4: Congress dot com. But thank you so much, Molly. It

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Speaker 4: was a real honor to talk to you today.

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Speaker 3: No moment second.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Caddon b the Trump administration knew about the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: fraud way before Nick Shirley's investigation, and what do you

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Speaker 2: think they did about it?

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Speaker 1: They knew about the Minnesota fraud. People were arrested and jailed.

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Speaker 1: If they will happen in twenty twenty and in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: the first Trump administration was worn by the state that

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Speaker 1: the nonprofit in question, Feeding Our Future, was likely engaging

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Speaker 1: in fraud, and the administration declined to get involved.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: That year, the Minnesota Department of Education asked the US

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Speaker 1: Department of Agriculture for support as it considered taking action

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Speaker 1: against the nonprofit, and the Trump administration, being lazy, shiftless

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Speaker 1: and not all that much against corruption, was not interested.

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Speaker 1: A twenty twenty four audit reported by the Minnesota legislature

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Speaker 1: examining the Feeding Our Future scandal said officials in the

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Speaker 1: Education Department complained that the USDA was unresponsive when they

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Speaker 1: asked how to deal with the problems presented by the nonprofit.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute. This is Trump World

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Speaker 1: ignored the fraud, then Biden World prosecuted the fraud. Then

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Speaker 1: Trump World learned about the fraud from a uti tuber

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Speaker 1: and went and created chaos in Minnesota because they like

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Speaker 1: a Nick Shirley video. If you can't think of a

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Speaker 1: more fucked story about Trump one point zero and Trump

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Speaker 1: two point zero, I implore you incredible stuff. That's it

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