WEBVTT - Ep. 27: Bear Grease [Render] - Scent Control, Jaguars, and "The Ballad of Warner Glenn" 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.120 My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.720 of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.239 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:35.360 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:44.360 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Guys, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:49.080 We've got an exclusive bear Grease discount code for f 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.400 h F Gear that's fish Hunt Fight Gear. I've been 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.320 using their products for the last year and I love 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.000 carrying my gear in a chest rig or my binos 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.560 in their bino arness. 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Is there is there strife 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:58.520 on the team, Well, classic clueless leadership strife on the team. Well, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.920 is a fat dog you have? We're barely hanging on. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:10.600 Just say, there's been some meetings in private players only 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:18.440 meeting cover. We're just forming a union. We've ununized. He speaking, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.280 Welcome to the bear Groose Render. Speaking of the render, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.799 what do you guys think at the last render when 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:32.960 we got booted out without notice? What time? It's stung 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.000 a little, it's stung, taken a whole week off. This 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.560 is a safe place. Okay, we're gonna talk about what's 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.120 on our hearts. Okay. It's kind of like watching your 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:50.639 kids go to family Christmas somewhere else and hey, listen, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.840 I had I had some very I had some very 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.200 good feedback from uh from that one. And then I 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:02.200 had also some guys that were like, never let those 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.280 guys on there again. Bring back the guys we love. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.560 And that was you guys, It was we really like 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.800 those guys there. I listened to a lot of it. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.839 It was nice of them to fill in. I'll say 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.119 that we'll see. What people don't understand is that when 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.400 you're in show biz, you gotta do what show biz 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.560 has to do. We had been hunting and we had 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.840 to make a render, and that that was part of 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.919 the plan from the beginning is at different times we 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.079 would have a full new crew, well like if I 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.400 was somewhere in a camp and I would just fill 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.400 it in. So it was. It was super fund it 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.240 and five minutes into it, I thought, this is Clay's fault, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:51.520 because clearly you had made them so uncomfortable that they, hey, okay, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:59.400 we had been really I guess we had been pounding 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.440 the dirt for days days and uh and we we 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.240 really were tired. But it was it was great. It 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.120 was great Mark, and having all the guys on there 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.640 was fun. I had a lot of people say they 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.520 really liked it. But it's great to have everybody back. Hey, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.400 let me do uh, let me let me do. Introductions. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.200 Josh Spillmaker, Josh Landbridge spillmaker to my left. Good to 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.040 see Josh. It's good to be seen. Honestly. Hey, we're 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:28.240 gonna play some music later, like real live music, and 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.400 you're a part of it. Hey, we have one guest 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.880 and I'm gonna come back to him as is our 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:39.440 as is our custom. To Josh's left, Dr Daniel Rupe. Everybody, Hey, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:45.360 Dan Rupe has been killing some deer. Did you know that, Dad? Yeah, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:50.040 he's He's killed two deer in our meetings. We talked 0:04:51.320 --> 0:05:01.240 several things between Dan and I hope. Well, congrats on 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.320 the deer. So this is your first year bow hunting 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.559 in a while though, first year bo hunt probably twelve 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.320 or thirty. Really, yeah, I knew about one of them. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.720 I didn't know about the other one I got. I 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.200 got a little dough the other night, about four nights ago. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.880 I almost took all out here driving up here tonight. Really, yeah, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.680 don't we just so the freezers as of tonight we 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.000 just this afternoon week. It's a big deal to kill 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.680 a deer with a bow man. I'm so thankful. It's 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.920 been really fun. I've got a good friend of mine 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.119 gives me a little spot to hunt on, and yeah, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.479 just wonderful. That's awesome. Yeah, that's really good. It's hard 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:45.640 to find a good friend. To Dan's left, it's been 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.880 a while since you've been here in a while. It's 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.080 been probably four or five weeks. You know there's been 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.960 a couple of Gary Newcomb for president campaigns going on. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.640 Did you were you were of this? I wasn't you know. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.200 I've applied for unemployment but didn't work. It didn't work 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.480 for president. I'll put a sticker on my car. Have 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.719 you done any hunting none? You know. I've been shooting 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.479 my bow. I got my equipment ready, I've got my 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.640 scent lock ready to go. But when I get up 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.920 in the morning, I think, why am I doing this? Man? 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.880 And so you don't go, huh, you just stay home? Yeah, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.120 but I really have plans of killing the monster buck 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.279 this year. Good. Did you hear the shout out that 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:32.360 you got from Mark Kenyon? No? I mean yeah, okay, 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.760 So so my dad Gary nucolemb and Mark Kenyon whose 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.440 meat eaters white Tail Guru, his his his podcast and 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.680 what he does is is branded Underwired to Hunt, and 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.320 he has one of the top white tailed podcasts in 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.120 the country, if not the top white tail podcast. So 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.120 me and Mark always have this fun thing going where 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.080 he is like a guru. He's like a he's like 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.760 a gear nerd in tactics. I mean like his his 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.240 mind is like a like a gearbox. When it comes 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.200 to all this stuff. What Mark wouldn't know is that 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.040 my mind used to be that way, and I was 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.960 liberated in my mind used to be that way because 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.600 Gary Newcom's mind is that way. And so I grew 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.880 up under the white Tailed Jedi Master, Ultimate sent Control, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.560 Ultimate tree Stands, set up, Ultimate gear Guy, Ultimate bow Tinker. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.080 I mean all that leftover stuff from years ago. Yeah, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.160 and then Dad gave a bunch stuff to Josh. Josh 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.400 stole a lot of that stuff. I didn't flashlight. I 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.080 admit I stole the flashlight for six years, but I 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.240 gave it give back six years. So Dad used to 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.960 be what still is, big time in the gear and 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.400 and Dad and I have talked about this private least 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.680 we've worked through this. But that kind of impacted me 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:01.600 into not really liking gear. Gears like gears, like gears 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.800 like uh, necessary evil, You're like the prodigal son. Maybe. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.880 So I said all that to say Mark and Dad 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:17.920 got along great. Yeah. Yeah, I thought a lot of Mark. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.120 That whole crew was just extremely nice. I mean I 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.280 just enjoyed every one of those guys. Yeah. Yeah. By 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.840 the way, Mark said he might get me a piece 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.800 of gear. Oh, yeah, and he said, if I don't 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.520 get it, to tell you, okay, So Mark, I need 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.200 to tell Mark to get you some gear. So the 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.480 way this, the way this worked is we hunted down 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.160 around where Dad lives for a film that you'll see 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.080 one day through Meat Eater of Mark hunting public land 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.160 down in the mountains. So I didn't even tell Mom 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.160 and Dad too many specifics about when we were gonna 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.800 be down in their hometown because we weren't gonna have 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.559 time to go see him. So I didn't want them 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.240 to think much about us be in there. So we 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.880 go there Dan and at like eight o'clock we were delayed. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.160 It was like eight o'clock at night, and we were 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:09.880 about to have to go out in the woods and 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.560 set up our full camp and in camp in the dark, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.839 and then break it all down and go hike back 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.400 in at daylight. And so I said, you know what, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.160 I bet we could stay with Juju. And so I 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.840 called my mom and I was like, what are you doing, Juju? 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.840 And she's like, oh, we're just you know, getting ready 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.360 for bad or whatever. She said. You know, I was like, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.200 how would you feel about six of us coming and 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:36.559 stay in the night with you right now, And she 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.320 said the prodigal son. She said, what do you think 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:45.559 the calf? What would a southern mom say if that happened? Well, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.679 come on, okay, well she said that. She expressed some 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.120 worries to have y'all eaten. Yes, I don't have any food. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.840 I hadn't cooked, play stuff like that. And I was like, Juji, 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.959 we're we've already eaten, We're full. We don't need any food. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.840 I don't have any food. Juju, we don't need any food. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.800 We're not hungry, don't but I just don't have much food. Juju, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.640 we don't need any food. Did she have food when 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.920 you got there? Anyway? She had a little bit, she did. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.200 She scratched so much. Is she talking about the house 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.320 being a mess? Okay? I wasn't gonna say, but yeah, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.680 she's like, yep, she's like, the house is a mess. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.200 And the house was perfectly clean. And so we went 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.400 over and stayed with mom and dad. It was it 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.360 was a lot of fun. Oh yeah, it was nice. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.560 We really enjoyed it. And then we stayed on the 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.480 tail end of the trip to five days later. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.520 we came back and stayed at night and all the 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.520 guys just loved Mom and Dad had a good times. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.800 We actually recorded the Render at their house, taking to 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:50.440 his spirits one time. Oh really you've been down it? Yeah, yeah, 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.240 years ago. Well i've been down there. I'll go down 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.120 to see Gary. Okay, we're but friends with Mark Kenyon. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.760 Mark and I go way back. I've never bet um 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.240 marks like the sun I never had. Hey, we've got it. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.280 We've got a great podcast. I'm very excited about this. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.679 We're going to talk about the third and final kind 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.280 of Southwest themed podcast. So this podcast was not just 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.480 about Warner Glenn. It was about the Borderland's Jaguar. We're 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.600 gonna that's where we're going. So if you're new to 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.240 the Render, which there's a lot of people that might 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.280 be new to this. We produce a documentary style podcast. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:42.520 I haven't introduced our guests. Goodness gracious, you know. Okay, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.760 I've got to finish what I was gonna say and 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.680 then we'll come back. So the bear Grease Podcast is 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.360 a documentary style podcast that we you know, just put 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.720 a ton of energy and effort into. The bear Grease 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.120 Render is this informal gathering of p literally we talk 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:09.480 about we we So this is the Bear Grease render 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.600 you're listening to. Okay, to Gary's left, my lovely wife, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.319 Missy Newcomb always good to be here? Yeah, good to 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.360 be here? Great. Okay. Our mystery guest is my long 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:27.439 time friend. We go to church together. We're neighbors. Tyrell Dennison. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.320 Welcome toy Ay you glad to be here. Man, this 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.959 is uh. I knew this day would come that you 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.440 would be on the render. It's nice to be here. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:42.920 I'm glad has gotten has been pretty instrumental in my world, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.360 career world. He really was. Ty was the one who, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.480 like seven years ago, did you know this, Josh? We 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.480 were producing that bare Horizon video for for Bear Hunting Magazine. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.920 If people have not watched, they should go back and 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.319 watch because man, I'm embarrassed with some of that stuff. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.080 I love it. I still watch videos some really good content. Well, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.280 so we were producing bare Horizon videos, that's what we 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.480 call it. I think we started thought it was fantastic. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.800 What are you talking about? Yeah? Some of it was good, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.960 um and better than a couple of renders of her, 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.360 So listen, listen Dan. Then we just had him on 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.920 like video and like embedded him on our website. That's 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.960 what I didn't even know what video was then. That's 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.200 that's what you did back in those days. But I mean, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:30.760 I didn't know what video was until he said, hey, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.880 you can watch these videos. Okay, yeah, it's just a 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.000 way to implant a video on a on a web page. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.400 Well then Ty one day walked up to me and said, Clay, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.199 you need to put your videos on YouTube. And I 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.760 was like, nah. I mean this was like, is like 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.480 seven years ago. So I was like, man, YouTube is 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.760 for like cell phone videos and low quality content, and 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.040 I said, not anymore. He said, he said, this is 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.600 the direction that the market's going. You gotta put your 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.079 stuff on YouTube. And he was adamant about it. And 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.679 I did it, and within like a month, I had 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.480 a viral video on YouTube. It was when that bear 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:11.000 touched my arrow and that video jump started the Bear 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.920 Hunting Magazine YouTube channel, which built it out. Anyway, so 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.360 tid Innison has been influential and tis always really good 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.480 at giving me feedback. One and I barely understand YouTube, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.320 Like I'm not someone who's like following YouTuber. Like the 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.440 fact that people can just create content on YouTube like 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.880 in their rooms. Still like breaks my brain. I'm just like, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.040 I don't know how people make millions on YouTube, But 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.960 I had seen enough quality content in like my areas 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.600 of interest where I knew like, oh, there's there's stuff 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.440 here besides just guys with their with their webcam talking 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.400 about what's been going on on the internet these days 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.840 amongst the kiddos. And it's like, there's actually some really 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.600 nice stuff around here. Yeah, and so it's just like, man, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.360 it it'll it'll get out there and people will share 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.040 it for sure. And so and yeah, I was glad 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.040 to hear that it took off because it was it 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.240 was good stuff you need to get out there. It 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.560 still is, Yeah, nothing to be ashamed of on that 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.800 YouTube channel. Well, I've learned inside of media is that 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.600 you do stuff and then you go back and look 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.680 at it and it's like a different version of who 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.920 you are and you're kind of But no, there's there's 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.720 some there's some real good bear hunts on. There's some 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.400 good white tail hunts too. Speaking of white tail hunts, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.000 I have something I want to show you guys. I 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.600 have a little something to show you boys. Oh look 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.640 at that Look at that guy, look at that sucker, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.920 that is a skull, a non typical skull. This is 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.400 so this. By the time this render comes out, I 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.200 will have put this picture on YouTube, the YouTube on 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:44.120 the Instagram. This deer was walking around about twenty six 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.880 hours ago. I killed that deer in Oklahoma yesterday. This 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.560 is the one you've you were going after for days. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.680 No negative negative. There was a different one that was 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.480 a different buck. This this was This is the first 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.120 time I hunted this property in Oklahoma. So let me 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.240 tell you what we've been doing for the last seven days. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:07.600 Mark Kenyon, Spencer, New Hearth, Tony Peterson, and myself have 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.640 been hunting. We're basically Meat Eater is making a white 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.560 tail series that's gonna come out like in two weeks. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.760 We're going to produce a bunch of episodes that document 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.720 our hunts. And we were hunting in four different states. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.200 Were actually hunted in I think six different states between 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.200 the four of us in the last week. In the 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.120 last week, Yeah, I killed that deer on the last 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.920 day of the hunt. Man. Who can describe that rack 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.280 to somebody? It's the one side is really clean and 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.680 it just has a typical five point typical five points side. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.120 The other side looks like something out of a sci 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:53.360 fi fantasy movie. Yeah, well actually doesn't. Let's a live 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.400 measuring of that time. How long is that spike? So 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.840 basically it has one very clean, typical five point side. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:05.520 The left side is just a spike of one to 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.080 three four or five six points, and the two bottom 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.600 ones are are like horizontal. Yeah, that from the base 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.159 fourteen and a half inches thirteen and a quarter inches, 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.760 that's thirteen and a quarter Would that be the main beam? 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.480 You know, it would be a judgment called that would 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.160 probably say it's the main beam, but okay, and then 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.040 this would be like the brow time. Right here, we'll 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.200 go from the burr. That's about twelve inches. So you're 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.760 gonna see pictures this on Instagram and on Instagram it 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.760 looks like a hundred It's it's not that big. It's 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.160 a This was a three year old deer. I don't 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.880 even know what filter you used to make the deer 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.080 look bigger. It was just it's just pictures make deer 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.760 look about twenty inches bigger than they are. They just 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:58.480 always do. But app called Antler me, Hey that's a 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.439 good looking deer. I mean I was expecting it to 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.520 be less than that. Based on what you said, I'm 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.560 I'm very impressed with that animal. Man. It was a 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.320 big it was a big body deer and all he 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.120 came in. We had hunted seven days and I never 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.040 even saw a buck. I would have shot in seven 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.040 full days of hunting and good places. I hunted three 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.280 and a half days in Arkansas, three and a half 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.679 days in southeast Oklahoma, and Uh, I hunted with my 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.720 friend Alvin Grigg, who he and he and his wife 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.000 like a week ago. I got they he heard what 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.640 I was trying to do, and he said, hey, come 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.280 hunt our place. Super generous and that I went down 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.280 there and they rolled the red carpet for me, And 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.800 he hadn't hunted much out there, so he didn't really 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.400 know the you know, he hadn't been out there much 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:52.560 this year, and but he knew the good pinch points 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.919 on this property and um and anyway, I killed that 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.000 deer after three days and we hadn't seen very many 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.200 deer until this deer came in. But man, he marched 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.400 in just like on a mission, and UH shot him 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.440 about twenty two yards just afternoon, hit him far back. Dad. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.480 I told Alvin, I said, when I was a boy 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.639 learning how to bow hunt. Well, you know what I 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.520 told I told him when we were young, you preached 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.840 us not to hit him in the shoulder. And to 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.240 this day I'm I'm over forty years old, and I 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.359 if I hit a deer a little off, it's slightly back. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.200 I've killed a lot of deer with a liver shot, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.080 and it's because I have deep and deeply ingrained into 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.840 my default substructure of action is to aim far back 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.280 from the shoulder, which produces a liver shot. Deer liver shot, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.440 Dere's no big deal. You just give him two plus hours, 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:53.040 sometimes longer longer. And but that deer around d twenty 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.320 yards and was dead as a hammer. It bled very little, though, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.760 because it was a broadside shot and we were hunting 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.800 these little post oak trees in southeast Oklahoma, and so 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.199 we couldn't get up very high, and the deer was 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.440 slightly kind of up a little bit of a grade. 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.240 So I was almost shooting like straight at it. And 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.159 so the area went in. The entry and exit were 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.000 at the same level, and so by the time he 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.200 filled up with blood that it just didn't bleed much. 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.280 That's how it stuck in that tree almost flat. That 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.520 photo that you put on I guess Facebook, And there's 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.760 your arrows sticking in the tree. What it was that 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:34.760 negative just shot a tree. The arrow was not sticking 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.359 in the tree. I just held the arrow out. I 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.000 was just holding the arrow. You may want to look 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:46.560 at that again. No, oh, my goodness. Was it was fading? 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.760 Was it? What was it doing? Okay, so I'll tell 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.960 you the whole I'll tell you the whole story. It 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.200 was a pinch point on the back of a big 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.159 field corner where the deer come through. They were they 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.439 were they were coming through the back side of that 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.200 corner and they were feeding. I mean, it's just it's 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.000 just the way we hunt down. That's the only buck 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.200 that you saw. There was. There was one other eight 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.040 point buck that I would have shot. It's it's too 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.960 long a story, and you'll hear it in the video 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.080 when when we played the hunt. But I spooked a 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.719 buck that was tending the dough when we came in 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.439 there at like two o'clock in the afternoon. So anyway, 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.119 it was a good hunt. There were multiple deer killed. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.800 I think I can say this between the four of us, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.040 there were five bucks killed in seven days. Yeah, so 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.680 it be a lot of action. You know, if I'm 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.119 listening to this, I want to know what kind of 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.040 bow you were shooting, what kind of air, what kind 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.600 of broadhead were you know, saddle were you know, you know, 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.520 what were you hunting out of? Uh? Yeah, I'd like 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.919 to know that. Okay, even though I know most of 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.320 it you were in it. Well, I I was in 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:54.080 a a new tethered saddle. We we hunted in those 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:58.400 things all week long. I mean we we made multiple 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.600 all day sits in a tethered saddle. Now, forgive me, 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.920 I'm not moved into the saddle realm yet. Are all 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.560 saddles tethered or is a brand? There? They are multiple 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:15.400 brands of saddles. Tethered is a brand, and they as 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.159 I understand that, we're kind of they were kind of 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.360 they were kind of the leader that kind of reintroduced 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.119 saddle hunting to the world. Saddle hunting used to I 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.760 mean people have saddle hunted for a long time, but 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.520 used to it was kind of this. It was it 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.520 was just kind of like this quirky thing that you know, 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:38.640 you're weird neighbor didn't limited your ability to shoot a bow? 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.560 It makes it better. I think it does. I mean, 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.720 just you have more radius around that tree. You can 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.919 almost shoot. If it was just a perfectly straight tree, 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.600 you could you could pretty much shoot three d sixty 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.639 degrees around that tree, probably three forty. There's probably a 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.159 little window, but you can spin all the way around 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.680 the tree. And you just have to get comfortable kind 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.880 of hanging off of it. But it it. I mean 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:06.760 I I just put on a saddle and went hunting 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:08.639 and was fine. So it's not like you have to 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.440 practice a ton, but you do have to get used 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.280 to it. You have to get used to kind of 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.040 hanging and just how it works and getting making it comfortable. 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.360 And you're not scooting up like you are in a climber, 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.000 Like how are you getting up there? So you gotta 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.359 use you gotta use sticks, or you have to have 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.560 a method of getting up a tree. So you still 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.680 have to get up a tree. That what it does 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.119 is eliminates you having to have multiple tree stands, and 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.879 it eliminates you having to go in and hang a 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.040 stand like the day before, or you know, you're carrying 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.200 in something real heavy. You carry a saddle and some sticks, 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.639 but it's you know, it sounds magical, but you know, 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.639