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Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: think we should make a podcast that's dichrontal Render participants

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Speaker 1: because there's a growing number. Is there is there strife

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Speaker 1: on the team, Well, classic clueless leadership strife on the team. Well,

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Speaker 1: Just say, there's been some meetings in private players only

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Groose Render. Speaking of the render,

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Speaker 1: what do you guys think at the last render when

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Speaker 1: we got booted out without notice? What time? It's stung

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Speaker 1: a little, it's stung, taken a whole week off. This

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Speaker 1: is a safe place. Okay, we're gonna talk about what's

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Speaker 1: I had I had some very I had some very

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Speaker 1: And that was you guys, It was we really like

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Speaker 1: You've gotta be real cautious. You get twenty four, you

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Speaker 1: don't even have to turn the volume down on your

426
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: YouTube videos. That's right, That's right. But I mean that's

427
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: been my experience. Yeah. And this guy that we've talked

428
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: about that has killed so many big bucks in another state,

429
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: I mean he likes to hunt it thirty ft I

430
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: didn't have to get yeah right, yeah, yeah, I mean

431
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: thirty thirty ft. You know he loves to talk about

432
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: scentlock and how good it is. Well, it's you can

433
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: at thirty feet. He can eat a pizza. Yeah, yeah,

434
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean, so I love this guy. He hunts kind

435
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: of the way I hunt, except he successful. And I'm

436
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: not to take a cup of coffee up there with

437
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, when he tells me what he does,

438
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot. There's a lot of stuff

439
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: I do. And he likes to hunt food like I

440
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: like to hunt. And he's better at betting areas. He's

441
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: really good. That's that's the real key to seems to

442
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: be right now is to on how to get in

443
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: bedding areas and the edge of betting areas. And I've

444
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: never been too good at that. Well, this is part

445
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: of the world that we live in is so thick.

446
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: There's betting could be everywhere. A lot of the places

447
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: these guys are hunting. It's just so different than here.

448
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's agricultural fields, big open timber in the

449
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: thickets or the crp. It's very defined and it's like

450
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: the dear bed here. They feed here, and that is

451
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: just not the way it is. And those are gonna

452
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: wash toll mountains at all. It's just not so. But

453
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: you're shooting the prime boat, Yeah, shooting the prime A

454
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: prime six. I'm shooting uh G five dead meat broad heads.

455
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I like them. They fly good. As an expandable head.

456
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: I used for for years I was fixed blade hardcore.

457
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: This year I started shooting those and and they shoot good.

458
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: You told me fifteen years ago to only use expandable

459
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: that he that was I remember he was that was

460
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: back in the day and then he went all See.

461
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: When I met Clay and started hunting with him, he

462
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: was all fixed blade. So he taught me out of expandables,

463
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: and now he's back to expand the season. It's like,

464
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: it's like, why don't we go through all the places

465
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: where I flip flopped in my life? According to all

466
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: you guys eyes, No, no, my buddy, my buddy Chris Roberts.

467
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: When he first started hunting with me, Dad, I was hardcore,

468
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: sent control, you know, keep your clothes and plastic bags,

469
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: use bacon, soda, use you know before I know, I know,

470
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: you know not. Don't put on your clothes in your truck.

471
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean hardcore. I can't I you do not do

472
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: that anymore? How many times I wrote you did this morning.

473
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: We don't want to have this conversation. I wrote in

474
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: Gary Newcome's jeep for years in my underwear to the

475
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: stand that was just that was just a practical job.

476
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: That was yeah, believe well, I really I don't know

477
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: that this is a place the platform for this debate.

478
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: But I basically going back to what or what I

479
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: said about Dad, like he Dad was just methodical with

480
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: everything he did, and that's the reason he was good

481
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: a good bow hunter. He's still around off this, I

482
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: uh no about twelve thirteen, fifteen years ago, about the

483
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: time man you didn't hunt and we're off away. I

484
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I just scratched all sin control, all sink control, and

485
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: went straight up woodsman Josh Spillmaker. And uh turns out

486
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: I kill more dear now than I did then. I

487
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if it's a spurious correlation, meaning

488
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: a correlation that's really not connected. Maybe I've gotten better

489
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: places to hunt, maybe I've got here. Doesn't mean we

490
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: don't know what a correlation is. Clay, Yeah, yeah, up.

491
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: Now you say it's just just just just hunting the wind. Like,

492
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: if there's a south wind, you're hunt in a place

493
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: where the deer gonna be north of you. It's just

494
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: that simple. If there's a north wind, you're hunting the

495
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: place where the deer gonna be south of you, and

496
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you just play the wind. Because what what I found

497
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: was I would I would do my sent control to

498
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: the to the highest level that I was possible, that

499
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: was possible for me and my skill set to do,

500
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: and I'd go hunting and deer would still smell me.

501
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, why am iote devoting my whole

502
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: life to this? And now Dad, you tell them why

503
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: you do it? Though? Because there's a good argument for

504
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: scent control. Using scent control stuff, I like to say

505
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: that it's a hoax and it is the biggest way

506
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: for outdoor companies to sell you a product that you

507
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: have no way of knowing if it works or not

508
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: because you can't smell that good with your nose. It's

509
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: the perfect it's a good business to be in. I mean,

510
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: it's just true. I mean it's like I'm gonna sell

511
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: you a product and you don't know if it works

512
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: or not, and most of the time it doesn't because

513
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: you're in sent control and deer still smell you. But

514
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. You know, baking soda works,

515
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: and you know if you wash your clothes and laundry detergent,

516
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're putting all kinds of You know,

517
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: I've got some soap that's unscented and it smells less

518
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: scented than my scented soap. Okay, let me tell you something.

519
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: I will. You're you're worried about your clothes, the deer

520
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: worried about your soul. Since when do you don't care

521
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: about Listen? I don't even know who you are. Listen

522
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: to this. Listen to this, Listen this a deer isn't

523
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: scared of your shirt, is scared of you, and you

524
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: smell like a human, So it would essentially be like putting,

525
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: so you're trying to wash the human off of you.

526
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: It would be essentially like taking a burlap sack and

527
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: filling it full of cow dung and then being worried

528
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: about the burlap sack like sent control on the burlap side.

529
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: It's like, you're not that burlap sack is not gonna

530
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: see Okay, okay, what if? What if instead of trying

531
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: to wash the sent off, I just go like a

532
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: full on fourteen year old boy and just blast myself

533
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: with ax body spree. You can't smell the human for

534
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: all the ax body sprea. Like this is cover that, yeah,

535
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: cover set instead of this, we go cover set chocolate

536
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: as now I do. I do believe in some cover sense.

537
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: I've seen some cover sense that worked pretty good or

538
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: confused or or slow deer's spook response down to this day.

539
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: Every hunt this week, I try it out some new stuff,

540
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: this Dan Fitzgerald, dear Dander, and I would I would

541
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: pour it out on the ground underneath my stand so

542
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: that when deer cut my wind, they would smell human,

543
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: but they would also smell an attractant, a deer related

544
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: attractant and synthetic stuff. And uh, I have seen that

545
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: slow a deer's spook response down enough, and I've seen

546
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: him walk through it to not necessarily with this stuff

547
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: that I didn't see. It happened this week. Okay, So

548
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I've seen it work with dough estris back when we

549
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: could use real dough estris and even the synthetic stuff.

550
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: I've had a dough come directly down when I had

551
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: poured a big swab of dough estris onto the ground.

552
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: So my that dough sent strong, unnaturally strong dose sents

553
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: on the ground. A deer cuts my wind. The dough

554
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: just locks up and just goes into Holy cow, what's happening.

555
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: I smell a human, but then she's like and I

556
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: smell a deer and kind of freaks out for a

557
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: while and then moves on through past your scenter. I've

558
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: seen it happen. Not common most of the time they spook.

559
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: I want to hear, that's the whole thing. I'm not.

560
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is not the whole truth. I know that.

561
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Let's hear. Why would you use sent control tell me

562
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: what it would work if you're a terrible hunter. Is

563
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: the reason I'm being honest with you. I mean, when

564
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I first started hunting, I really didn't even hardly know

565
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: what a deer track looked like, you know, I just knew.

566
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Some guys told me about it, taught me how to

567
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: shoot a bowl. They couldn't kill deer. So I looked

568
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: at it like a chess game. I thought, this is

569
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna be like a chess game. And I thought, you know,

570
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I've gotta be clean. I gotta be able to shoot

571
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: my bowl. But as time went on, I saw a

572
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: very few deer that I spooked. I mean, I cannot.

573
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: I had a big ten point. Then I knew where

574
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: my win was going, and he came under my standing.

575
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: By the way I was asleep, I was sound asleep,

576
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: and I looked open. One eye had ever find me

577
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: as I looked at it, and so I knew he

578
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: was going straight into my wind. I mean, so I'm

579
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: not a stupid about wind and about cent, and I

580
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna he was gonna spook in a minute,

581
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: because I had a doge come in and hit my

582
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: wind and I was only about eighteen feet up but anyway,

583
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: if you're twenty to twenty four feet and you're in

584
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: pretty flat ground, you can get away with lots of stuff.

585
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: And usually when you're hunting big bucks, you don't know

586
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: which way they're coming from. I mean, you think you know,

587
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: but they'll surprise you. So why not be clean. If

588
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: you've got the energy and the time and the desire

589
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: to do it, maybe it'll work. Well, it wore, it

590
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: will help. And if you listen to John, he says,

591
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: if you're wearing a beard, you've got long hair, forget it.

592
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: Go hunt however you want to, because it don't work.

593
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I would love to debate that guy. Hey, no, don't

594
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: even say that, Clay. I mean, I mean this guy

595
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: has killed. This guy is one of the best hunters

596
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: in the stinking country. And I mean if you hunt

597
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: thirty feet up, well, I mean, hey, you're you'd be

598
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: taken on the wrong bulldog with this guy. I'm telling you,

599
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: he knows his stuff. Now you know, you don't have

600
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: to you don't have to do all this stuff, but

601
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: it sure doesn't hurt anything, and a lot of times

602
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: it helps. It's just it's just part of my Bailey wick.

603
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you can, you can go at it.

604
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: So there's so many ways to skin a cat. Well,

605
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: my my deal was I realized that I was spending

606
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, you only have so much energy in your

607
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: life to spend towards hunting, and I was spending thirty

608
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: of my energy towards scent control and it wasn't the

609
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: limiting factor of my hunting. So I became a better

610
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: hunter and in other places and spent less money more time. Yeah.

611
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, if in the perfect world you would

612
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: utilize some level of scent control and perhaps it would

613
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: reduce your human odor. You know, if you study carbon

614
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: and what it'll do, you almost know it works. I mean,

615
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: it's into it. You know, it's just activated carbon. It's

616
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: just just a crazy good. So if you understand what

617
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: it's doing, and you understand how to activate it, and

618
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: you got yourself covered, but you don't cover your head, well,

619
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna smell you, so you cover your head.

620
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Then you go, well is your face covered? So I

621
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: don't go to that extreme. I don't cover my face.

622
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: But there's so many different ways to do it. And

623
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: talking about this, so you know who knows which is

624
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: no beard, no hair, no beard, no hair, and cover

625
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: your entire body and wear rubber boots. And if you

626
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: got the energy to do it, it doesn't you know

627
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: what a long time ago and I've been doing. And

628
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: what Mark Kenyon says, he says, it's simply and it's

629
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: the same thing Dad says, is that if it might

630
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: help you, if it might make a buck stay there

631
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: for five seconds longer before he spooks. Because there is

632
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: an argument to be made, and I've yet to hear

633
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: a single human give me a scientific reason that this

634
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: is true. And I don't believe it that a smaller

635
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: amount of scent would spook a deer any more than

636
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: a larger amount of sent Because that's that is the

637
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: that is the thing that we're saying. We're saying you can't.

638
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: We're saying like, if you use sent control products, then

639
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: you're reducing your human odor. So so a deer comes

640
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: down when and he still smells a human, he just

641
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: smells less human. What's less volume. It's a gas, so

642
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: it dissipates the further out. Again, what Clay Nucom says

643
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: is that it don't matter if he smells a little

644
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: human or a lot of human, He's gonna spook just

645
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: the same about nine of the time I made that

646
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: number up, number one, number two. Do you see what

647
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Though, I see what you're saying. But the

648
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: more the less there is, and the further it dissipates,

649
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: there's a chance he might nothing. Well, I'm going off.

650
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm going off. I want to say decades, probably thirteen

651
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: years of messing around with scent control, and I have

652
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: used the Ozone products, okay, just begged them to work.

653
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I wanted Ozone to work so bad because

654
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: it was gonna be my silver bullet. And it just

655
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: I have dear smell me all the time. When I

656
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: use Ozon. It makes an odor, It creates its own odor,

657
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: and it might not be a human odor, but a

658
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: buck goes, Wait a minute, I've never smelt that before,

659
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: So I'm getting out of here. I mean, and I've

660
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: I've heard that before. It definitely you you smell it

661
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: when it's going. And I heard a real good bow hunter,

662
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: a guy that I know that's killed three deer, white

663
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: til deer with a bow, who's killed multiple two deer.

664
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: And you'd never know his name. He's not he's not

665
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: a public figure. And he told me that Ozon is

666
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: a joke. I mean, he's a stone cold killer. You

667
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: know who. You know who I'm talking about, And uh,

668
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's the one. He said that stuffs a joke.

669
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: And then I I've tried it for several years. My

670
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: point is, and I don't I don't have any trouble. Uh,

671
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean this is what I think. Like now, I

672
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: still you will see me. I I used scent shield

673
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: this week, sprayed down my clothes a little bit. Just

674
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: I call it witchcraft because you're doing something that you

675
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: know doesn't work. Post baking soda witchcraft banking soda number

676
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: one is in the Bible, so you're gonna want to

677
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: think about that. I think witchcraft is too for what

678
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: it's worth. You know what Gary says about the activated

679
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: charcole is true. I have a friend who has a

680
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: propensity to make a pretty significant odor himself. Have you

681
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: guys ever heard of the product? Subtle but Negative are

682
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: activated carbon sheets that go in your drawers. Wow, we're

683
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: talking furniture drawers or not furniture. Hey, I love I

684
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: love the sick control conversation. I don't want it to

685
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: sound like I'm trying to stir up trouble, but it

686
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: bothers me that there's no way that we can prove it.

687
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean I could, I could do a whole I

688
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: could talk to you for an hour, NonStop about all

689
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: the reasons why commercial scent control products pretty much don't work.

690
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: So anyway, I know I'm burning all these bridges. I

691
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: would I would care about the commercial ones. It's wash

692
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: your clothes and baking soda. Use some of that soap

693
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a whole lot of it. I dare

694
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: you to put baking soda in my beard. Hey, let's

695
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: talk about Borderline's jaguars. Did they use a lot of

696
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: seat control? You know what? There's there is some theories

697
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: on predators ability to minimize scent. You know, in the

698
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: animal kingdom, animals use scent for communication, So like a

699
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: buck in the rut, he increases his odor so that

700
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: his scent picture is bigger, and YadA, YadA, and uh,

701
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: I've heard it said that the predators can kind of

702
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: like turn down their scent. We know that a white

703
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: tail fawn and these fonds when they're born, they're born

704
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: like basically scentless, um less, older, and their mother cleans

705
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: them for a minute so less oder pequal's advantage. I

706
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: just disproved myself. Hey, go ahead, Okay, here's here's what

707
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I would say. I would love for someone to convince

708
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: me that I'm wrong, So please do That's what I'm saying, Well,

709
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: why is the burden on us? But I mean it's

710
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: reviews are going to go wild? Yes, yes, I would

711
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: love for someone with a scientific answer that had thirty

712
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: years of experience that wasn't on on their own uh

713
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: spurious correlations. I was about to defend Clay. I don't

714
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: know if I want to do it now, but I

715
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like in the defensive you're you're bringing

716
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: that up. The reduction is sent is to uh stave

717
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: off predators, not to be a predat there. So you're

718
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: saying that the the funds have less of a sense,

719
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: that they are less susceptible to predators, are less detectable,

720
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: rather than you being the predator. Reducing your sense you're

721
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: you're right and reducing your sin is good. It's gonna

722
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: be good. One more flip flop. I can't. I don't

723
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: even know who you are. Hey, Borderland's Jaguars, Dan, what

724
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: do you think? I thought it was great? I loved

725
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: hearing more from Warner Glenn. I think that was fantastic.

726
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I see anytime you hear that guy. I think it

727
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: was very interesting too. Here just the whole idea of

728
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: there being an animal out there that's basically called the

729
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: one that eats us psychologically that well, that doesn't happen

730
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot to people and an animal. I mean,

731
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: there's kind of these freaking encounters, but there's an animal

732
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: that's name that that's a fear of us. Yeah, either

733
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: of us? Pretty wild. I thought you were just being dramatic.

734
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I listened to the podcast, but

735
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: I saw that on the title of the when it

736
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: popped up on my phone, and I thought it's a

737
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: little melodramatically. It's what the that tribe in Amazon they

738
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: called the jaguaria. They called it either of us. But

739
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: in in modern times, in at least in the United States,

740
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: there's never I'm quite certain there's never been a documented

741
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: jaguar attack in the United States, but down in Central

742
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: America and stuff like, it's it's for real, a lot

743
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: of the American jaguars vegan, h Josh, what do you think, Well,

744
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was really good.

745
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I love hearing the science, but you know, I'm kind

746
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: of with Dan too. I love hearing Warner that guys

747
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: like that are are disappearing and to uh hear stories

748
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: about That's what. The thing that I like about him

749
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: is the pursuit that he has of of the thing

750
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: that he does with with uh for the mountain lions

751
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: and you know, finding the jaguar and stuff, but to

752
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: really draw in family, to to talk about bringing people together,

753
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: just the you can tell the passion and the care

754
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: and the concern that he has for the animal, the way,

755
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: just the way that he talked about it with such reverence.

756
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: He's not a He's not a doesn't have a blood

757
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: lust for animals. He really has a passion for these

758
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: animals and you know, conservation and an awareness. Even even

759
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: the way that he's like, I didn't know if I

760
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: should go public with this, you know, just shows an

761
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: incredible respect for the people around him, for the animal itself,

762
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: for conservation, and it was it was very very interesting

763
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: to listen to. I really enjoyed it. I wanna I

764
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: want to clarify something, so I put this picture so

765
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: in Warner Glenn's house, he has a huge probably I

766
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: bet it's six ft long five ft tall, original painting

767
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: that a really good artist did of the picture that

768
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: he took at the jaguars. The jaguars in the pose

769
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: that he saw the jaguar, but the artist, you know,

770
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: put a little Warner Glenn down in the corner riding

771
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: his mule. Yeah. If you see that, there's Warner Glenn

772
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: down there with a dog, and um um I had

773
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: so I made an Instagram post and said, Warner Glenn

774
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: documented the first live jaguar in the United States. And people,

775
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: several people were like, uh no, he didn't. There were

776
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: so many killed in Arizona and so many killed in Texas,

777
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: and people were like, you may want to go back

778
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: and read that, and I was like, okay, listen to

779
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: what was said. He documented the first live one. So

780
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: if someone shows up with a dead one in the

781
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: back of his truck, that is not a documentation of

782
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: a live jaguar. That is a dead jaguar. It was

783
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: the first documentation of a live jaguar in the United States,

784
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: meaning he took a photo, went back and showed the

785
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: photo to people, and that animal was still alive. So

786
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: that's all it was. But they didn't. They hadn't documented

787
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: one in what's the lifespan of a jaguar? You know,

788
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I don't know. Probably probably about

789
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: like black bear. I doubt they lived twenty years in

790
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: the wild. Probably like a cat. I mean, like like

791
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: a tom cat, you know, lived twelve years or something.

792
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: Just this idea that there could be a animal like

793
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: that that lives. I mean, a jaguar is a jungle animal.

794
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: It's just such a wild thing. What do you think

795
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: of it? Dan? Oh? I thought it was very interesting,

796
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: and uh, of course Warner Glenn was interesting to listen to.

797
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: And you know, he wouldn't satisfied with your comment that

798
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: the first live jaguar that was seen. He he broke

799
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: it down further. What did he say? He said, I

800
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: can't remember really correct, but he said, it's alive, it

801
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: was wild, it was wild in nature. In other words,

802
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: you can see them in captivity. You could see dead first.

803
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: So so he he wasn't happy with your simple alive.

804
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: He went into he said, wild jaguars. He did two

805
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: or three different breakpounds, so I mean he he eliminated

806
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the zoo, he you know, so I thought, you know,

807
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: he's he's a detailed guy. I mean he's he's really

808
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: paying attention to details. But what caught me about the

809
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: whole thing was kind of surprising, really as much interesting

810
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: content as there was. But what stuck with me is

811
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: the fringe animals. I mean, to me, that was just

812
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: like Daniel Boone all over again. I mean, you've got

813
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: an animal that's that has been created this way, where

814
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: you got a bunch of little crazy guys out here

815
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: and their job is to go find the boundary of

816
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: where we can survive. I mean, I've never even heard

817
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: thought of that. I mean, that's crazy in the way

818
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: you brought it out. These were like the pot what

819
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: you used the frontiers? Yeah, and I go why that

820
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: he was pretty thinking cool you think about Yeah, I'm

821
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: glad you said that. Think about it. A jaguar, he

822
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: has no concept that he is on the northern range

823
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: of his species. He doesn't know that in Brazil and

824
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: in Bolivia and Venezuela is the core of his Like

825
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: if I went down there, there'd be a bunch of

826
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: us there. This jaguars just living his life. And he

827
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: goes north into the United States and there just comes

828
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: a point when he's just like, I gotta go back south,

829
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, and there there might be some functional things

830
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: that happen, like he runs into cities less game, more arid,

831
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the conditions. But but he has this,

832
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: he has this metric inside of him that's default where

833
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: there comes a point when he goes no further and

834
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: he goes back to just about every time I get

835
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: to our in laws. Every time we get to my

836
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: in laws house, it's like, no go back south South

837
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Well I play. It's a it's really a

838
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: tremendous survival technique. It's like, you know, we can all

839
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: live here in this tremendous jungle forest and just you know,

840
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: be having a great life. But what happens if the

841
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: forest has gone? So, I mean I need to expand

842
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: my territory where that we can survive regardless of what happens.

843
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: And so it's in eight within some of those guys

844
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: to be the frontiersman that's gonna go out in and

845
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: find that fringe area, find out where the border is,

846
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: and and it's that's how they stay alive. That's how

847
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: they have survived. Well, there there have been jaguars documented

848
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: as far north as the Grand Canyon And hey, did

849
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: you hear me call out you and Aunt Ali? Oh? Yeah, Hey, okay,

850
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: I I've got I gotta say this in this book.

851
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about this book. I wasn't

852
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: able to. I just couldn't fit it into the to

853
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: the Beargrease podcast. But there's a book called Borderland's Jaguars

854
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: by David E. Brown and Carlos Lopez Gonzalez. Incredible book.

855
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you pick up these smaller books like this and

856
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: you know you might be unimpressed with kind of the

857
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: writing and the structure of the book. This is like

858
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: a top notch, a top shelf academic book. Most of

859
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: the information that I got from the for the podcast

860
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: came from this book, Borderland's Jaguars. You mean yeah, yeah,

861
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: that was good. That was really good. Where did you

862
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: hear about Deli from? Yeah? I've heard about Deli for years.

863
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: If you're in the hound community, you've heard of daily.

864
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: I thought he was hands down my favorite part of

865
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: this podcast storytelling. I was curious and when when he started,

866
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: I just thought, we're on earthically, where does he find

867
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: these people? Did you hear about him? I bet? I

868
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: bet you liked him? That, did you. Yeah, yeah, he

869
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: was so Daily was is considered, you know, one of

870
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: the best line hunters of all time. And it's so

871
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: hard to say. I told uh. I told Steve or

872
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Nello the other day about Warner Glenn before I interviewed him,

873
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: and I said, Warner Glenn is one of the best

874
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,479
Speaker 1: dry ground line and hunters in the world. And Steve said,

875
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: why did dry ground line hunters get to why did

876
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: they all of a sudden get like they're the best

877
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: in the world. And I stopped. I was like, you

878
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: know of them, We say that all the time. But

879
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: Daily is known as this great hunter. But he was.

880
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: He was for sure known as the lead man in

881
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: catching jaguars in Mexico. And I mean, if you want

882
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: to talk about some wild stuff, talk about going to

883
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: Mexico with a pack of hounds and these custom boats.

884
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Did you hear him say, we had these little canoes

885
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: actually a flat bottom boat with plywood and plastic Glassless

886
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: called it plastic glass, he told her. I said it

887
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: on the podcast. But he told the story hunting story

888
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: like he was calling a horse race. We were coming

889
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: down through there and the dogs said, that little curved

890
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: dog should he hippy ippy ippy it and I knew

891
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: that that jaggar was a coming. And then we went

892
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: down through there and there he was up in a tree.

893
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: And now while farmer he was, I mean he his

894
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: his voice would ascend and then decent. He did not

895
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: sound Texan. He sounded straight out of Arkansas. Yeah, I thought,

896
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: what a guy. Hey, they're fifteen hours of tapes that

897
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: you can get of Deli telling Stories Brett Vaughan. You

898
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: can buy it from my buddy, Brett Vaughan hundred born

899
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred years too late as his Instagram handle. I mean,

900
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: I have the tapes. Brett just sent me some, but

901
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to him all. That jaguar call was something,

902
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: wasn't it. It sounded good, empty melan And and what

903
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: did he pull through a piece of leather with rosin,

904
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: some kind of rosin on the leather? Ty? What? What

905
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: did anything stand out to you inside of it? Yeah?

906
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: I definitely can relate to what everyone else has said

907
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: also thought about just conceptually, there comes a point because

908
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: we you know, as the jaguar has kind of gone

909
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: up and further away out of Mexico, you know, it's

910
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: strong in the iconography of Mexico, but you don't see

911
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: it at that borderline. And you mentioned how it's like

912
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: when you see something rare but it's not super rare,

913
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: there's a place for it in the iconography, and it's

914
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: like this like treasured moment. You saw the thing that

915
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: we don't get to see a lot of, and then

916
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: when it's super rare, to your point, it's just like

917
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: somebody shoves back up to the camp finders, like I

918
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: saw jaguar and just like shut up talking about you

919
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: ate some old mushrooms. You didn't see it, jaguaron, And

920
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: so it doesn't even make it into the iconography. And

921
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: so that was really cool to tie that back even

922
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: to the black Panther like storylines from all the way

923
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: back with the first Burgrease and and so like just

924
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: looking at how wildlife and experiences are are like captured

925
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: within cultural cultural things, and then like there even comes

926
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: a point where it stops like it it becomes so

927
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: rare that it just doesn't even get captured or it's

928
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: even considered like it's yeah, it's not even sacred, it's

929
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: just not plausible. So why even you know, there's a

930
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: lot to be there's a lot that's weighing on the

931
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: fact that the tribes of the southwestern United States don't

932
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: have jaguar iconography and their culture because there are groups

933
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: of there there there there's a group right now and

934
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details of it, but they

935
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: have talked about jaguar quote reintroduction. There's a group that

936
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: believes that there can be that that southwest Arizona, Southeast Arizona,

937
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: southwest New Mexico could could hold sixty two hundred jaguars,

938
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: and they talked about releasing them into that area, which

939
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: would which would be wild in in the in the

940
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: the biologist and everybody that I know is saying, like,

941
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: why would we do that? They've never been here that much.

942
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what Jim Heffelfinger was saying, is

943
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: he's like, and Jim Heffelfinger is a biologist, and he's like,

944
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: there's just evidence that they were ever here in great number.

945
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: And what Warner Glenn was saying was that if that happens,

946
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: it just shuts down that part of the world for ranchers,

947
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: for hunters, for people living off the land. And his

948
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: point was well taken, and I liked it, and I

949
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: wanted to put it in there, as he said, yeah,

950
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: let's protect that cat, put it on the endangered species list,

951
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: which it has been for forty years, fifty years, whatever.

952
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: But he said that critical habitat regulation lock stuff down

953
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: so much. If de incentivizes people from even wanting them there,

954
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: he said, then people shoot showing it may sound normal

955
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: to think, well, of course Warner Glenn didn't shoot that jaguar.

956
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't normal. I mean people shoot jaguars. I mean,

957
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't have proof of that, but there's in Mexico

958
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: they for sure due to this day. I mean, that's

959
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: the biggest threat to him down in Mexico. Is like

960
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: Jim said, people these small time cattle ranchers jars call them.

961
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: Was it I want to say, what you call it?

962
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Reciprocity killings or something like italiatory. Yeah, like that even

963
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: that kind of colors the nature of it when you

964
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: recognize like they're not killing it for sport, they're killing

965
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: it for retaliation because it's coming on their livelihood. But

966
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: then they're just like, no, we gotta protect them. It's

967
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: just like there's a there's definitely pretty sure that the

968
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Maupo Borderlands Group and I could be wrong on this,

969
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: alex Um is. Uh, there are there are groups. There

970
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: are groups that pay landowners if they lose livestock to jaguars,

971
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: like like so it's like, Okay, you lost a cow,

972
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: don't go kill the jaguar. Let me pay you for

973
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: the cow the replacement costs for it. So that is

974
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: a big part of kind of the creative conservation that's

975
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: going on. But where does that funding come from? And um,

976
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a jaguar expert. I learned all

977
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: this in the last two months, you know. I mean,

978
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: so it's not like this is something this is all

979
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: new to me as well. But it's fascinating that we

980
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: have a big cat in in North America that is

981
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: like that. Did you notice that when you asked Jim

982
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: if he had ever seen any documentation for a black panther,

983
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: he did not directly answer the question. M M. Do

984
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: you think he had? You think he did? I mean,

985
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: simple no, Hey, I now remember what I was gonna

986
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: say about this book. I'm kind of just going off

987
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: memory here. In this book, there is a map of

988
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: the United States and it was made a long long

989
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: time ago, and it's shaded in places where jaguars were

990
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: in the United States during this time. The entire state

991
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: of Texas was I gotta find it because it wasn't

992
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: the entire state of Texas. But the jaguar distribution from

993
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: this map, and and biologists now would say that that

994
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: map asn't accurate, but back in those days they believed it.

995
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: And the jaguar distribution went up and almost touched Arkansas.

996
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: M So if there was a melanistic jaguar, you could

997
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: have almost been an in the alley. I mean, you

998
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: can't argue with you. Okay, they saw one? How long

999
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: was its tail? How long did its tail? Sound? Well?

1000
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: It said it like it was the length of their body?

1001
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: What is had I not? Had I not heard that? Though?

1002
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm from Rancis Passage. Here it is right here?

1003
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: Look here, okay, okay. Range of Jaguar in North and

1004
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: Central America nineteen three, with the aid of the U.

1005
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: S Biological Survey, that jaguar range comes up all the

1006
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: way into southeast Oklahoma and touches the Red River in

1007
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: southwest Arkansas. I mean, read it and weep. Alex. Did

1008
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: you ever seen Alex a hat? We're bros. I haven't.

1009
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't have hats. Anymore there could, Okay, but Jim

1010
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: Halfelfinger says that there has never been a melanistic jaguar

1011
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: documented below deep deep South Mexico. There's yeah, yeah, there's

1012
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: never been one above it. So black jaguar. Economy Stretch.

1013
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: So Rancis Past, Texas is where I grew up, and

1014
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: the high school mascot was panthers as panthers, and the

1015
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: panther was a black panthers. You know, a person in

1016
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: a black panthers it was in the case. But here's

1017
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: what's funny is in the most like remarkably South Texas

1018
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: thing ever, there was a seafood restaurant called the Big Fisherman,

1019
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: and outside the Big Fisherman was whoever owned that place

1020
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: was basically like Tiger King from the nineteen eighties, because

1021
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: there was a ton of wild animals and big cats

1022
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: and everything. And had you asked me before you told

1023
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: me there weren't black panthers, I said, yeah, I saw

1024
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: in a cage outside of the Big Fisherman waiting to

1025
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: go in and eat fried shrimp. But like, just because

1026
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: the iconography of it was still built into my head,

1027
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: my high school mascot was a black panther there was

1028
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: black panthers. They're at the Big Fisherman. Like all of

1029
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: this was just baked in. It's just like this is

1030
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: what it was. And so now I'm just like buried

1031
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: in lies. I don't know what's the truth anymore. And

1032
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: you know what, listen to these podcasts again reminded me

1033
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: of something that I had completely forgotten about circa nineteen

1034
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: eighties six this my mom worked with this guy. My

1035
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: mom worked for DuPont in Texas in in Clear Clear Lake, Texas,

1036
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: I think Baytown, Texas. This guy we lived in this

1037
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: town called Alvin, Texas, and this guy lived there. He

1038
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: and he was a big like kind of he had

1039
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: he had like Clydesdale's and he had some some other

1040
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: interesting and I think he had some al pacas and stuff.

1041
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: But he had a jaguar. He had a jaguar and

1042
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: he had a conversion van and he'd ride around with

1043
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: this pet jaguar in a cage in the back of

1044
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: his van. I saw it with my own eyes, that

1045
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: underwear not in No, he the cat didn't care what

1046
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: I felt like, how long and or curly was his mullet.

1047
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't. Actually, he was kind of like kind of

1048
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: looked like Grizzly Adams, and he was he was kind

1049
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: of a cool guy. He'd he'd put his team of

1050
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: Clyde Sdales together and he'd ride this wagon with Clyde

1051
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Sdales through town. Yeah, but yeah, he had a jaguar.

1052
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: I remember going. He said, you want to see my cat?

1053
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: And he took me. Oh wow, this is not the

1054
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy you wanna. How old were you? I

1055
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: was ten? And uh yeah. He'd opened up the back

1056
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: of his van and he had a cape like a

1057
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a dog kennel in there with a

1058
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: jaguar in there. Impressive. Impressive. Hey, Okay, I think I

1059
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: think it's time. I've been sitting on some original music

1060
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: for some time, deep in the bowels of your soul. Hey, okay,

1061
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: me and me and Josh and Tye are gonna play

1062
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: some music. Okay. I wrote a song I want to

1063
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: publicly say this that has diaguars in it. I have

1064
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: no dreams of being a talented musician. Okay. We like

1065
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: to play music because it's just fun. I have seen

1066
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: some people that like take music kind of serious and

1067
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: maybe they're not very good, and you're like, so that's

1068
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: not me. Okay. I realized I'm not very good. Okay,

1069
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: but I do. I do like music and I enjoy

1070
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: playing it. I wrote a serious song about Warner Glenn

1071
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: and I what do you mean by serious? I mean,

1072
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: like all the other songs that we've really like, like

1073
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh Captain, Oh Captain, and the Bulldozer song, like they

1074
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: were parodies. They were jokes. It was funny. But the

1075
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: Captain song was great, it was great. Well, those were

1076
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: those were jokes songs. And so there's there's a line

1077
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: that you crossed when you start writing serious songs, essentially

1078
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: saying all this for me, I you know, Clay is

1079
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: just about an inch away. When you started writing a

1080
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: serious song. I was concerned that maybe I had a

1081
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: YouTube diva on in my house, and I got super nervous.

1082
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: I gonna started doing this, but this is that's not

1083
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: what he's doing here. So I wrote a song. It's

1084
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: called the Ballad of Warner Glenn. Okay, And I didn't

1085
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I had a choice to write

1086
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: this song. I really was impact by meeting Warren Glenn

1087
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: and I sat down and wrote the song and like

1088
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: a very short amount of time and Todd is going

1089
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: to play the stand up bass and Josh is gonna

1090
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: help a on guitar and we're gonna sing this song. Dan,

1091
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: you're ready here, I'm ready. I could just stare at well.

1092
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 1: Dan's the only one that hadn't heard it. Dad's heard

1093
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But uh yeah, we're gonna do it.

1094
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: I can get out to Cowbell if y'all want me to.

1095
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: We're down south on the border of Mexico, rattle snakes,

1096
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: lots of bendets, where the cactus grow, dirt and spurs,

1097
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: fed the hounds and let him go as a boy.

1098
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: Argent told him where the Big Tom's Road, Open country

1099
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: where the jaguar strolls saddle is six hand you when

1100
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: the desert sun blows. Nobody ever told him this wretched

1101
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: life was a hard road to hold. Hiding the rising

1102
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: sun behind the cheer of cowas folds, He's mounted and

1103
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: moving and going for an all day mule back stroll,

1104
01:04:53,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: open country where the jaguar strolls lyne track in the dirt,

1105
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: seven miles into Where did he go? Got a pack

1106
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: of wild walker dogs that are philosophers like the road hounds,

1107
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: worth the dirt like a farmer works as rose up

1108
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: the canyon, round the rock, chasing the ghosts of a shadow,

1109
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: Open country where the jaguar strolls. The only catching if

1110
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: he crosses the plateau, chase him over the rim rock,

1111
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: and old hood pays him in a hole. It's not

1112
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: a line he seeks, but a wildness he can't control.

1113
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: Who I'm talking about? This corner of Glen and the

1114
01:05:51,880 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: black Crow, Open country where the jaguar strolls. Open country

1115
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: and sage makes the old man's heart grow a poet

1116
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: in the saddle, but his words don't overflow. He fought

1117
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: a long man and feeded guilty just so you know,

1118
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: sweat some bullets and sleepless nights. But they let him

1119
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: go Open country where the jaguar strolls. Unlesser man would

1120
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: have thrown another blow. But Warner new to solve his problems,

1121
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: he had to grow. Invited his enemies to the table

1122
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: and their faces glowed, broke some bread, all were fed,

1123
01:06:53,600 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: and the rooster crowd Open country where the jaguash rolls. Hey,

1124
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: that was awesome, open country. Hey. I want to read

1125
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: these lyrics because if you, if you followed along on

1126
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: these three podcasts, it makes this is this is a

1127
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: story it's a story of a lion hunt the way

1128
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: down south on the border of Mexico. I mean Warner

1129
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: Glenn literally lives on the Mexican border. Rattlesnakes, lots of

1130
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: band deetles where the cactus grow. He gets, He gets horses,

1131
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: snake bit and dogs snake. When I was down there

1132
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: with him for a day, he was like, watch out

1133
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: for rattlesnakes, dirt and spurs, feed the hounds and let

1134
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: him go. I mean, the man's life revolves around his dogs.

1135
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: And I noted when he wrote his mule just on

1136
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: an average day, like when I rode with him, he

1137
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: put on his spurs, which I don't always wear my spurs,

1138
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: but he put on his spurs, dirt and spurs, feed

1139
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: the hounds and let him go. And as a boy,

1140
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: Marvin taught him where the big Tom's rove. Marvin is

1141
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: his dad, and Marvin that he hunts the same ground

1142
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: as dad did. I mean he he the exact same ground. Um.

1143
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: And then open country where the jaguar stroll. That's the

1144
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: that's the chorus. Open country is the phrase that they like.

1145
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: When I went down there, I heard multiple people say

1146
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: open country, and then I tuned in. I was like, Ah,

1147
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: that's what you guys say. That that means something their

1148
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: books called open country. Warner says it all the time,

1149
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: open country where the jaguar stroll. It defines that landscape.

1150
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: This this visitor from the south satella six hand mule

1151
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: when the desert sun glows, so that means early in

1152
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: the morning. Nobody ever told him the stretched life was

1153
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: a hard road to home. Man. I'll tell you what.

1154
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: When I think of a guy like Warner, Glenn hunting

1155
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: as long as he has, I think about then I

1156
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: said it on the podcast, but I think about the

1157
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: number of times he hooked up his trailer in the dark,

1158
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: woke up at two literally two am to go feed

1159
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: his mules lotus dogs, drive two hours, get the mules out,

1160
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: and then be where he needs to go by sunrise

1161
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: to look for a track, hiding the rising sun behind

1162
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: the Cherrica was folds. Warner is one of these guys

1163
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: that wakes up like early every single day Cherracha was

1164
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: as the mountains that they live in and hunt, so

1165
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: hiding the rising sun behind the cheer cause fold. He's

1166
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: mounted and moving and going for an all day buble

1167
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: back stroll. Line, tracking the dirt seven miles in, But

1168
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: where did he go? They ride a tremendous amount, you

1169
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: know when they're riding these on these hunts. And this

1170
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: is my favorite line. He's got a pack of white

1171
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: walker dogs that are philosophers, like the row. Hounds worked

1172
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: the dirt like a farmer works as Rose up a canyon,

1173
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: around the rock, chasing the ghost of a shadow. I

1174
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: like that line. A lot hounds worked the dirt like

1175
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: a farmer works as rose. Yeah, they only catch him

1176
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: if he crosses the plateau, chasing him over the rim rock,

1177
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: and old Hook bays him in the whole. Hook is

1178
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: his favorite dog, the twelve year old dog. You know,

1179
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: it's not a line he seeks, but a wildness he

1180
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: can't control. I think that's true. I mean, like when

1181
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: I when I think of the things that I'm after,

1182
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: like a big buck in a mountain, I mean like

1183
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: I want antlers, I want meat, But really what I

1184
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: want to do is interact with a wild place. That's

1185
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: really what you're after, you know, And in a in

1186
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: a hunter, being able to interact with a wild place

1187
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: by taking something from it is like super human and

1188
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: super intimate. Um. So it's not a line he steaks,

1189
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: but a wildness he can't control. Who I'm talking about

1190
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: is Warner Glenn the black crow? What's the black crow? Where?

1191
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: Who I'm talking about his Warner Glen and the black Crow.

1192
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Warner Glenn is like he's like part

1193
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: of the landscape, like a black crow. Just that's right.

1194
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: Open country and stage makes the old man's heart grow

1195
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: a poet in the saddle. But his words don't know.

1196
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: That was my other favorite line. Yeah, favorite line. He

1197
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: followed all man and pleaded guilty, just so you know it.

1198
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: Sweat some bullets and sleepless nights, but they let him go.

1199
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: What good cowboys story doesn't have a little squad part.

1200
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: It's about a quarter country, so a lesser man with

1201
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: throwing another blow. But Warner new to solve his problems,

1202
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: he had to grow, invite his enemies to the table,

1203
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: and the faces glowed broken bread all were fed in

1204
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: the rooster croad. I like that last, that last chorus.

1205
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: First we're uh yeah, we're done with the Warner Glenn series.

1206
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: So thanks Warner Glenn. Yeah yeah, it was good, really good,

1207
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: really good. I hope he lives a lot longer. He

1208
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: talked about I remember talking about this might be our

1209
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: last season him and old Dog. Yeah, I have my doubts.

1210
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of life lift him. I can

1211
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: tell you that closing thoughts, Dan that Warner Glenn is

1212
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: pretty concerned about scent control covers the dogs in baking soda.

1213
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh Ti, thanks for coming man, Yeah, you bet. I

1214
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: was glad to do it, and I've enjoyed the series

1215
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: on Warner Glenn for sure. He's he's a He's a

1216
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of person that hearing about their life like just

1217
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of sparks sparks in you a desire to get

1218
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: out there and do it more and not get kind

1219
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: of caught up. You know, I'm uh, I hunt and everything,

1220
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: but I'm on a computer my almost you know, all

1221
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: my working day and everything, and there's there's something in

1222
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: you that's not fulfilled. And so to hear about people

1223
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: who make their living that kind of way, it's just like,

1224
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, that's that may not be for me, but

1225
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: it definitely drives me to want to make sure that

1226
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm staying in touch with the things that that are

1227
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: tied to that so that I'm not just kind of

1228
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 1: getting caught up in computers and college football and such nonsense.

1229
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: Dad thoughts, Oh, it's just awesome, you know, great guy

1230
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: legend in a neat animal. Love the animal, the big head,

1231
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: the strong jawl, can bend a what a half inch?

1232
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Half Still I'm going uh huh, it likes to eat us.

1233
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: So very interesting, very very even formative. Hey, the next

1234
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Burgar's podcasts are gonna be really cool. More coming. I'm

1235
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you what it is, though. Thankfully, guys

1236
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: want to call me, I'll tell you. Yeah, Josh, Josh

1237
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: was there? Keep the Wild Places wild? Hey we miss Brent?

1238
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, come back to Yeah Brent, I forgot to

1239
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: say Brent wasn't here. Yeah, yeah, and uh Warner Glenn's

1240
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 1: daughter was extremely interesting. Yeah I enjoyed a Yeah, Kelly,

1241
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. All right, thank you guys. Sent control

1242
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: or no sent control, Love you all,