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Speaker 1: Take it away. Robert Evans, gosh, it could happen here.

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Speaker 1: I did it brilliant. Thank you, Yeah, I love I

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Speaker 1: love that really, thank you. You're Robert Evans. We also

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Speaker 1: have Christopher Long, Garrison Davis, and we have Andrew here

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Speaker 1: with us. We'll be leading this episode. Hi Andrew, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. Oh, it is the with in Portland. It

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Speaker 1: is cold. Everywhere else in the continental the United States

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Speaker 1: it is a boiling hell storm. Actually today today it's

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Speaker 1: only eighty four. But yeah, we we have three days

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Speaker 1: temperature measurements. But Angeles, it's lovely today. We're lovely for

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days, and then we'll be burning

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Speaker 1: sixty six is It's going to be perfect here forever.

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Speaker 1: Climate change is over in northern Oregon. I have declared it.

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Speaker 1: Well have you declared it? It must be true exactly.

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Speaker 1: So today, once you have a bit of a discussion

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Speaker 1: and open discussion about my favorite kind of discourse, and

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Speaker 1: that is dead discourse. I wanted to talk about discussion

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Speaker 1: could and code that people have been having a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago about restaurants restaurant discourse, whole idea that

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Speaker 1: people who had about five minutes ago and got super

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Speaker 1: are lap over and sparked to a bunch of like

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Speaker 1: drama because that's what social media and centervices. But I figured,

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Speaker 1: you know, we could have a nice round table discussion

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Speaker 1: here about code and code restaurant abolition and share our

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the idea is presented in the zine that

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Speaker 1: in spired it for those those who read it, Abolish

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Speaker 1: Restaurants by pro Lain Food. But first of all, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to share a bit about my experience in the

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Speaker 1: food industry. It was quite brief, and by brief, I

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Speaker 1: mean like four days I started working at this this

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Speaker 1: she had failed up for most of her life. UM.

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Speaker 1: It was very disorganized and very stressful experience. I quit

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Speaker 1: like a few days after I got it because instead

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Speaker 1: Now that said, any utopian society will have a way

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Speaker 1: I know? Robert said his fast food? Mine was very

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Speaker 1: But there are restaurants. There are people who like bake

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Speaker 1: as the cooks they have no interesting motivation to push

430
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: themselves harder. It just becomes stress. I never got tips

431
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: from baking in the back of the house unless some

432
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: of the people in front of the house would like

433
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: share the tips at the end of the day by

434
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: their own like yeah, and I know folks who worked

435
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: in places where all tips were shared with the way

436
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: the kitchen staff, and it seemed to be a fifty

437
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: fifty breakdown of this is really good and everyone gets

438
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: paid fairly, and this is actually some scam by management

439
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: to deny people a bunch of tips by like pulling

440
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: them and a certain factory that gets done so Like

441
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: it's like any formulation of this inherently winds up being

442
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: pretty abusive. Yeah, and dividing. You know another interesting and

443
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: I mean, as you guys mentioned stressful components about you know,

444
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: this line of workers. Of course, the customers, which customer

445
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: service people in general turn to. You know, whether you're

446
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: working at a bar or you're working at a you know,

447
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: a restaurant, even working in like sales and some sort

448
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: of like retail, still their whole subrether is dedicated to

449
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: how terrible customers are two workers as that that sort

450
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: of dynamic of service, it it really changes people. I mean,

451
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: customers can just as easily be working class as the

452
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: people working in the restaurant, but there's still that dynamic

453
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: that's created when you are the one being seated and

454
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: served on the other person on their feet serving you.

455
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Some of the worst customers in America at least are

456
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: working class and poorer folks who it's like their chance

457
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: to be above somebody, like when they go out to

458
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: a restaurant, so they can be extra shitty. Yeah, that

459
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: is a thing that happens. Surprising me that even like

460
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: restaurant weekers who treat restaurant workers fatly when they go

461
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: to a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's like someone gets

462
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be to exert the power and they're like,

463
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: do it in the short, short, short, short amount of time.

464
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: But although I will say, I'm sure those are also

465
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: the restaurant workers who treat people badly at the restaurant

466
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: they work at, including like some of the some of

467
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the things that have ever been said to be by

468
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: customers at the restaurant job I had. Yeah, not surprising,

469
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: And I was like no, I was like I was

470
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: like in the high school. I was a kid, and

471
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: these are like grown ups being horrendous now, Like I

472
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: think I think it's like I don't know, like when

473
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: people talk about this, like when people talk about restaurants

474
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: like and in the discourses it's it's in a way

475
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: that's like it's incredibly abstract and doesn't like it isn't

476
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't think about the fact that like the relationship

477
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: between the customer and the people who have to interact

478
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: with the customers, host, etcetera, like that that is a

479
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: social relation. It's a social relation that like that, like

480
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: like the the power dynamic inherent to it abscribes sort

481
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: of different kind of like it describes different kinds of

482
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: behavior to the people who are who are like on

483
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: either side of it, like it it controls like what

484
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: you have to do as a server, like what the

485
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: performances you have to give to like the smile you

486
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: have to put on, which is actually like that's the

487
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: original thing of what emotional labor is, right, is like

488
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: the labor you have to do to make the person

489
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: who you're serving, Like I think that you're like happy

490
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: and enjoying it, like having a good time. But then

491
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, on on the customer's end too, it's like

492
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: you get this sort of you know, I was like, oh,

493
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: this is your one chance to to be on top

494
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: of a sort of power relation, and like that like

495
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: that like that specific thing is so fucking evil. It's

496
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: like that there there, there's there's a story I think

497
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: about a lot from run In Schwang. Originally was it

498
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: was about um like one of one of the last

499
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: emperors of the Tang dynasty, like his his concubine like

500
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: loved lechia and like, okay, I get it as lesia

501
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: that gets really good. But like leech has grown leaches

502
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: only grown in this in the south of China. You

503
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: can't really grow in the north. It doesn't like it's

504
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: too cold, too arid. And so in order to get

505
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: her leisha, like every morning, they would send like the

506
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: fastest writers like in China would like be sent by

507
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: horse like to southern China and then back so that

508
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: he get the lechia there in time like for for

509
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: it still to be like ripe and like edible. And

510
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: you know that that's the kind that's the kind of

511
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: power that used to only literally the Emperor of China

512
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: had this ability, right like the like the Emperor of

513
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: fucking China could get this commodity and like force everyone

514
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: in a change to go do something for them. And

515
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: now like everyone has that like literally one has the power,

516
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Like every time you use Amazon, you have that power.

517
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Every time you go to a rustaurant, you have the

518
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: power to do this, and it it turns people into

519
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: monsters because like that's you know, the Chinese emperors are

520
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: like these are some of the worst people who've ever lived. Now,

521
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: like everyone everyone like just like like the fundamental basis

522
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: of the society is there was a place where you

523
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: can go and you can become the emperor of fucking

524
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: China with the idea of instant gratification being reliant on

525
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: the exploitation of other people. Yeah, and and like that, yeah,

526
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: and that doesn't seem right, Garrison, Oh yeah, I think.

527
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Don't worry now, watch me as I order next day

528
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: delivery on a dollar drone just to just to funk

529
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: around in my backyard. Like yes, it's it's everything is

530
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: fine in America. I I do. I am like of

531
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the opinion that the grocery store is like the primary

532
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: artistic achievement of capitalism as a system. Um. They are

533
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: objectively marvels, um. And they're they're built on a river

534
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: of blow deeper and wider than is. It's like it's

535
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: a hyper object, right, It's like impossible to comprehend the

536
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: full scale of cruelty that goes into being able to like, well,

537
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: it is November. I'm gonna go get a fresh bag

538
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: of grapes that have been genetically modified to taste like

539
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: cotton candy, picked by people making sense an hour in Yes,

540
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: in the country that's on the other side of the world. Yes,

541
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: whose relatives are shot for attempting to scramble over the border. Yeah.

542
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: That the grapes passed through easily. Yes. And I think

543
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: like like that that points to another like I think

544
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: part of the dynamics infelic with restaurants that happens, which

545
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: is that like, okay, like cooking takes time, right, and

546
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the less and less time that you have, the more

547
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: like the more reliant you become on like on these services.

548
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: And so you see this with like you know, like

549
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: China has like a like a particularly horrible like delivery culture.

550
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Like you can like you can have someone to liver

551
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: food to you, like to the train like like a

552
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: sub Like a train will stop at a stop and

553
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: you can have someone run a bag of food to

554
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: you and then like leave and you just like you

555
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: go to the next stop and you get off, and

556
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: that happens because everyone's working nine nine six, and it's like, okay,

557
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: you're working seven You're working nine am the nine pm,

558
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: six six days a week, and you know you don't

559
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: you literally do not have time to cook because you're working.

560
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: You're working twelve hours a day, and like an example

561
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: of this is like restaurant people who work restaurants, like

562
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: line cooks and chefs, hardly ever cook for themselves. They

563
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: always get food from other restaurants because they're cooking eight

564
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: to ten hours a day. They're not going to go

565
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: home then cook for themselves. They It's like, yeah, it's

566
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: this system almost it makes it makes the things that

567
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: prop it up become necessary to keep the whole thing going.

568
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: It's all like balancings super like precariously on its own weight.

569
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: It's it's equivalent to like if you're in a criminal

570
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: sin to kit making, somebody you're working with tangentially shoot

571
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: a man in the back of the head so that

572
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: you both have blood on your hands. Like everyone is

573
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: everyone just by by virtue existing under it. Like if

574
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: you're working sixty hours a week is a fucking nurse

575
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: during COVID or as a fucking line cook dealing with

576
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: this surge of delivery ship and then on your way

577
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: home you just want to pick up some like sushi

578
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: from a fucking grocery store that requires ingredients from all

579
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: around the world and is made by people who are

580
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: not getting enough money to make it and is horrible

581
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: for the environment and the fisheries and all that kind

582
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: of ship um, and but like what are you supposed

583
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: to do? Like you you just you just finished like

584
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: a ten hour shift, Like do you not deserve like

585
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: one one nice thing at the end of the day.

586
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: Like like so it's if you people can't like either

587
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: you becomeing like a complete aesthetic right and and reject

588
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: and go kind of ted kay and live in a

589
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: shack in Montana and reject all of these these kind

590
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: of modern conveniences, or you accept that like you're going

591
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: to spend some time waiting into the river of blood

592
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: because otherwise the things you have to do to stay

593
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: alive in this society are completely emotionally unsustainable. Yeah, this

594
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: was this was the original, Like before it kind of

595
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: became this cop out for like just doing whatever you want.

596
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Like this was the original. There's no ethical consumption. Dury

597
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: capitalism was about. This was about like this specific problem

598
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: that everything in the society, Like even even if you're

599
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: living in the woods and Montana, it's like yeah, like

600
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: where where where did where? Like where where did your

601
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: cabin come from? Like where did your nails come from?

602
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Who made the hammers? Like everyone's like completely dependent for

603
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: everything on the exploitation of other people, and it is

604
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: it is a The one thing that gives me a

605
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: little bit of hope is when Andrew was explaining how

606
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: like restaurants came arise because of people who used to

607
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: work for kings and ship who then started working at

608
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: restaurants because they still want to make food. It's like

609
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: that evolution. Taking it to the next step is people

610
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: who work at restaurants now no longer having to work

611
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: under capitalist exploitation and realizing, hey, I know how to cook, Well,

612
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I'll just set up like ways to feed the community

613
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: outside of this system of commerce. Right, that is the

614
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: next evolution. If you start with people cooking for the

615
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: king people, then cooking in places where you pay to

616
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: eat in this exploitative system, and then people cooking for

617
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: people so that there's food around into like a community setting. Right,

618
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: if you if you follow that trajectory that's actually kind

619
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: of hopeful. It's almost like we've i mean in some ways. Yeah,

620
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: like right, it's if if you just go back to

621
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: like beings, yeah, like communating. If there's places around different communities,

622
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: different towns, different like urban centers that have that have

623
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: the capacity to feed people who are not able to cook, cook,

624
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: cook for themselves that night or that day, that's something

625
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: that if if it's there's ways of setting that up

626
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: which I can see being so much better than how

627
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: restaurants work. You know, maybe maybe people wash their own

628
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: dishes afterwards, maybe people do something to help with like

629
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: prep or something. Right, like there's there's there's ways to

630
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: make this that gives you the parts of restaurants that

631
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: are actually really convenient, um without the exploitation. And so

632
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: that that type of like community cooking is something I mean,

633
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: you know that's even similar to like how like a

634
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: good dinner party operates, um, just that kind of extended

635
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: out across you know, more of like a pop up

636
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: setting and say hey, yeah, this this month, we're using

637
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: all of these ingredients that are grown in our general

638
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: local area. Right, We're not getting shipped, We're not getting

639
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: like strawberries in December ship from halfway around the world

640
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: will make stuff that is available um as it you know,

641
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: as it's grown, or we can pickle, we can store food,

642
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: right and yeah, and maybe we we've we've turned the

643
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: old defunct Walmart into a grows shelter. So once or

644
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: twice during the winter there are some strawberries and everybody

645
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: comes together and shares this marvel that the community came

646
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: like worked as a team to ensure would be available.

647
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: But you can't just go and buy four pounds of

648
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: strawberries that are produced with their like twice the weight

649
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: of the strawberries and pesticide in order to keep them

650
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: alive in fields that were never meant to grow straw Like,

651
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe that's not available all year round. Like, yeah, let's

652
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: get back to the point being raised about about like,

653
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: because that's a really important point. The whole purpose of

654
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: that seeing has been mastardized, but it really is crucial

655
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: to have to do once and the signing of it.

656
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: What frustrates me is that it's been taka and then

657
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: it's been too it into this justification and that it's

658
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: okay that I buy from Sheen, It's okay that I

659
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: buy a three thousand dollar whole from Sheen, because no

660
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: ethical can sumption on the couple is on. Was like

661
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: with where somebody goes on, they engage in something that

662
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: is normal. That is, Andrew, you're talking around my two

663
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: and a half pound a day veal habit and I

664
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: don't appreciate. Yeah, that sounds like a problem. That's like

665
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: something Joe Rokanot sense like I need two and a

666
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: half pads of veal every day and that keeps my

667
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: brain running smoothly. The caveman, I mean exactly, it did

668
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: work for Georgie Peterson, he's doing great. Christ at the

669
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: mirror notion of Antifa, I would do an impression, but

670
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: hood my throat, so that's I would see. I would

671
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: say that as we were saying, you know that there

672
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: really is is potential. We see even under these conditions

673
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: that people find ways to survive. You know, they create

674
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: like these informal work groups that are not only able

675
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: to come together and push back against management, were able

676
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: to work together to create trust within each other. You know,

677
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you have like for example, waiters who would try to

678
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: hand in the kitchen on a slow day, or a

679
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: cleaner or who might pick up a thing or two

680
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: a dishwasher, we're trying to move up to become like

681
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: a align cook. All these different workers, they they do

682
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: things certainly to try to undermine the unnatural divisions and

683
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: hierarchies and between these skill and unskilled um in the restaurants.

684
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Certain of course it doesn't always work because there are

685
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, settings were in the manager six as fully

686
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: created divisions. You know, whether it be the manager creating

687
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: a division between um teen different nationalities of immigrants, so

688
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, playing upon someone's queer phobia against like queer staff,

689
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: or someone's biases against I don't know, I can't think

690
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: of a third example, but there are ways of managers

691
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: try to like sew these divisions between workers, and they

692
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: always at workers try to push back. They're also ways

693
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: at managers trying to do the opposite, to create a

694
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: community within the restaurant and includes themselves. So instead of

695
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: fostering isolation and prejudice, they create a community that especially

696
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: in small restaurants, that involves them, that talks about that

697
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, the boss much shape with them, how difficult

698
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: it is working and organizing for the business to the restaurant,

699
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: and or they might create like a special kind of

700
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: restaurant focused on their identity. So they might create a

701
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 1: restaurant for for queer youth with all the staff a queer,

702
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: or you know, you have a restaurant for you know,

703
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: a black owned restaurant world workers a black and try

704
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: to create a community based on this identity. But it

705
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of erases the unavoidable class interests between workers and management.

706
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: It's smooths over that dimension, so it becomes more difficult

707
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: to organize and to speak up for your rights because

708
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: you're you're aware that the managers are human and they

709
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: too are struggling, which kind of brings me to the

710
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: idea of restaurants with no managers and the idea of cooperatives.

711
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: The assus cooperative restaurants is that they basically have to

712
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: collectively take on the rule of managers managing themselves, creating

713
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: those pressures and pushing those pressures upon themselves. They enforced

714
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: the work on each other, and they have to work

715
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: longer in some cases and work hard in some cases

716
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: because the structure of a restaurant is designed to make money,

717
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: and if it is not making money, then everybody loses

718
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: their jobs. So due to this pressure, bosses in a

719
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: position where they have to pushed workers to get as

720
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: much out of the workers as possible. You raised the

721
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: boss on the occasion from the equation, but you keep

722
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the concept of a restaurant, and line

723
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: between work and parts becomes blur to the extent where

724
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: it's almost like that image of a person with a

725
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: boot and hand pulling a boot on their head, where

726
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: this oppression there was one external becomes internalized because that

727
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: is how a restaurant survives through pressure, through exploitation. It's

728
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of like with how self employed people are on

729
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: the capitalism. Yes, you're working for yourself and you have

730
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: some freedom that regard, but you're still restricted by the

731
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: broader system. You haven't escaped it. You've just had to

732
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: navigate it. And I have to make quarterly payments to

733
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: the I R S. Yeah, I mean, I say, I

734
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: think work for ourselves in some capacity have a certain

735
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: level of freedom and it um you still have those

736
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: pressures and it's just you have to inflict them on yourself.

737
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have like a break that has

738
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: been man dated and so this in my case, I

739
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: don't say breaks because that's just how I am, you know,

740
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: you work longer hours, you push yourself harder and harder,

741
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: you work on days when you should be rested, and

742
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: it's just it illustrates the fact that liberation is not

743
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: to be found under this system, and it's something totally

744
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: new with a totally different metric of success, a totally

745
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: different metric of sustenance, totally different bare minimum, and totally

746
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: different motivation needs to be the foundation upon which society

747
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: is built because there's profiting awaken. Yeah, And I think

748
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: there's a like, I think the reason this debate happens

749
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: like this, this whole discourse happened in the first place,

750
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: which just that like like just like a lot of

751
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: it really was just a complete inability to imagine like

752
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: literally any other way of like even just like like

753
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: any other way of getting food that has not involved

754
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: you go into a place and telling someone to make

755
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: it for you and like that. I don't know, Like, yeah,

756
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: it's like the fact that there have already been sort

757
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: of seismic shifts in the way that like food production happens, right,

758
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I think is evidence of like, no, we don't have

759
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: to do it like that, like we just we just

760
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: do not It wasn't like this for most of human history,

761
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: we could do something better than whatever they were doing

762
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: before it. Yeah, a lot of people might you know,

763
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: wish for like in this, So let's just shift over

764
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: into the abolition section of it, the restaurant abolition. A

765
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of people look to, for example, a union as

766
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: a path by which in the short soon you know,

767
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: we make sit and gains and belong to we can

768
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: take over and radically transforming. The difficulty comes in how

769
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: unions have traditionally operated in the restaurants fair they tend

770
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: to be significantly less successful. I mean, restaurants usually have

771
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: very high turnover people in the last couple of months, um.

772
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: They often employed like a lot of young people who

773
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: are just looking for part time or temporary employment. Well,

774
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: people who do work, they're constantly looking to move on

775
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: to better things, and so it makes it difficult to

776
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: create a stable union with a stable membership that can

777
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: buckle down and really negotiate and push for the interests

778
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: of the people working, because people working and constantly change it.

779
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I think one of the like, one of the really

780
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: great things has led to is that like like especially

781
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: when fast food took over, like the major unions that

782
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: even do exist which is like that we like we're

783
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: just not gonna bother even try and organizes people because

784
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: they just assumed it was impossible. And so like there

785
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: are there are very very few fast food unions. I mean,

786
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: like I think one of the only like even sort

787
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: of functional ones is the ww like organized Burgerville. But

788
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: that's that's been like it like the like the big unions,

789
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: when they've done campaigns for fast food workers, it's like

790
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: it will was clean like five or fifteen, but it's

791
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: like they're not actually trying to like form unions of

792
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: the freshmand workers, Like they don't they're not even trying.

793
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: They're just trying to They're they're using them for sort

794
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: of like a lot being an advocacy. Yeah, and difficulty

795
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: also commins when a union's established itself, you know, because

796
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: a union structurally it's not always by all the lucas.

797
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's still sort of a hierarchy of bureaucracy

798
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: that we established itself and trying to maintain its even

799
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: if it starts off benignly. No, just for all of

800
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: the radical history that unions do have, quite a few

801
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: unions in the particularly United States, have also been conservative

802
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: bastions and bastions of different attitudes about like stuff like

803
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: white supremacy. You know, there's there's a lot of the

804
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: union movement is as much Blair Mountain as it is

805
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: trying to stop black people from being able to work

806
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: on trains. You know, like all of those things are

807
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: part of the history. Yeah, I mean, I'll speak briefly

808
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: on like the union situation in the Caribbean, particularly in Trenda.

809
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: The trade union movement was intrinsically inextricably tied with the

810
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: anti colonial movements in the movement for independence. You're subcating

811
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: that the unions became tied up with the political parties

812
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: that are rules after independence and well during the process

813
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: of independence. But I know happening with the unions was

814
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: that they end up being tied to deeply with the

815
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: political parties. So ended up being that the established unions,

816
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, the higher ups in those established unions, they

817
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: have these relationships of favors and obligations with the politicians.

818
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: A lot of politicians come out to these union movements

819
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: and end up establishing their own political careers. And because

820
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: it's also tied up when you workers get into these

821
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: industries that do have union that have been unionized. There's

822
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: a very clear separation between the union and the workers

823
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: because while the union is able to you know, push

824
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: for the workers rights and you know, they're still separate

825
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: from the workers. The unions still exists as a new

826
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: negotiator between the workers and the management. And so you

827
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: have the workers which to go beyond just negotiating. The

828
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: union exists almost as a release valve for any sort

829
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: of class antagonists. So any kind of pressure, any kind

830
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: of real pressure against the start at school. I mean,

831
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: it's not just unique to turn that outlet to the Caribbean.

832
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: I means it's globally cross history. You've seen union struggles

833
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of go over the same sort of dynamic. You know,

834
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: new generations of workers, they build love the movements, they

835
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: build up the unions, and the unions begin to change,

836
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: and perhaps new union leaders spring up to replace the

837
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: old union leaders, one put on the same position and

838
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: the same pressure as the reacting the same way as

839
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy and being rejuvenated. Unions are reformed and they

840
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: end up going back to the same obays that they

841
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: had been before. And in some cases the fight to

842
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: reform the union takes the place of the fight against

843
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: the boss because of all the bureaucracy and system, of

844
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: all the ocations and just deeply rooted ideas about the

845
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: place of the union, because well, unionizing is a difficult process.

846
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: Union leaders do tend to enjoy certain benefits from their position,

847
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: and as we are aware of, you know, certain hierarchies

848
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: self justifying those are the top tend to want to perpetuated.

849
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: It's kind of like and so this idea that this

850
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: is kind of an unsettled thought of mind, but it's

851
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of like the idea of you know, using the

852
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: state to establish workers power and then abolishing it afterwards,

853
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, using union to get some ship workers po

854
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: But then it's expecting this union of a certain structure

855
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: that exists towards negotiating, ends to somehow pushing these sort

856
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: of more radical directions. There's a saying that but um,

857
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: but the zine um, the rights of the zine say,

858
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Speaker 1: it's like restaurant unions needed to be restaurants and we don't.

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Speaker 1: I think that sort of applies more broadly because when

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Speaker 1: we get into the whole idea of like work abolition,

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Speaker 1: it's just concept of workers are people outside of work,

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Speaker 1: but a workers union exists within the confines of work

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Speaker 1: as we understand it, so I think that's where the

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Speaker 1: difficulty lies. The Zne goes on to say later on

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Speaker 1: that every time we attack the system, but we don't

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Speaker 1: destroy it, it changes and in turn changes us and

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Speaker 1: the train of the next fight. Gains are turned against us,

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Speaker 1: and we are stuck back in the same situation at work.

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Speaker 1: The boss to try to keep us looking for individual

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Speaker 1: solutions or solutions within an individual workplace for an individual trade.

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Speaker 1: But the only way that we can free ourselves is

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Speaker 1: to broaden and deepen our fight. We involve workers from

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Speaker 1: other workplaces, other industries, and other regions. We attack more

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Speaker 1: and more fundamental things. The desire to destroy restaurants becomes

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Speaker 1: a desire to destroy the conditions that create restaurants. We

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Speaker 1: aren't just fighting for representation in or control over the

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Speaker 1: production process or fighters and against the act of chopping

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Speaker 1: vegetables and washing dishes, or poor and bear or even

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Speaker 1: serving foods other people. Is with the way all of

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Speaker 1: these acts are brought together in a restaurant, separated from

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Speaker 1: other acts, become part of the economy, and I used

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Speaker 1: to expand capital. The starting and ending point to this

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Speaker 1: process is a society of capitalists and people forced to

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Speaker 1: work for them. We want an end to this. We

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Speaker 1: want to destroy the production process or something outside and

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Speaker 1: against us. We're fighting for a world of productive activity

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Speaker 1: fulfills the need. There's an expression of our lives not

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Speaker 1: forced on us in exchange for a wage, a world

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Speaker 1: where produce for each other directly, and I don't order

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Speaker 1: to sell to each other. The struggle of restaurant workers

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Speaker 1: is ultimately for a world without restaurants or workers. And

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Speaker 1: I mean so, I think people are still going to

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Speaker 1: call some multigensives restaurants restaurants anyway, probably, But I hope

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Speaker 1: this discussion as cause equals kind of deepen the approach

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Speaker 1: to this