WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Rube Goldberg

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, There's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry's here too, Dave Saran Sperre. Let's get going.

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<v Speaker 2>Big thanks to stell simonton great name one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great house Stuffworks dot com writers. And I am really

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled with this one because I had always known about

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<v Speaker 2>and heard the term and fully understood what Rube Goldberg meant.

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<v Speaker 2>A Rube Goldberg machine is something that is really complex

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of awesome, and it's usually some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>crazy contraption that ends up doing something very very simply

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that's far too complicated than it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be, right. And I know that because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very common term. It's been around since in the dictionary

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<v Speaker 2>actually since nineteen thirty one. But I never, until like yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>knew that Rube Goldberg was like a dude and he

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<v Speaker 2>was a cartoonist and that's where it came from. He

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<v Speaker 2>drew cartoons about these machines.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very popular for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, I guess I knew that already, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, yeah I did. I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things my first introduction to Rube Goldberg was that

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<v Speaker 1>game mouse Trap.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember that of course I have one, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>one in Ruby's room.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there you go. So that was directly lifted in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways from Rube Goldberg cartoons. And that must have

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<v Speaker 1>been where like the springboard for me, that going into

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<v Speaker 1>me in a bathtub, that went down a pole and

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<v Speaker 1>dropped me off in a fountain of molasses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had a mouse trap cartoon. It wasn't what

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<v Speaker 2>they did in the game, but clearly inspired by that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. He did like fifty thousand cartoons. When

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<v Speaker 2>I look at his stuff, I'm sure you looked at

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of these cartoons. I really like the actual

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<v Speaker 2>contraption stuff, not so much to the others, but he

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<v Speaker 2>it reminds it was not unlike r Crumb in style

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. And I went and looked it up, and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Rube Goldberg is one of quite a few artists

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<v Speaker 2>that inspired arkrum So it made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, good catch man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's sort of Arkrummy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the other little interesting tibits about Rube Goldberg

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<v Speaker 1>to get started is his name is the only name

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<v Speaker 1>listed as an adjective in Merriam Webster Dictionary. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are other names listed, but they're altered like Machiavellian.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just Rube Goldberg is an adjective to describe

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<v Speaker 1>something that is unnecessarily complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, your name is the only name that is in

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<v Speaker 2>the dictionary as a verb.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to clark somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Something Clark me that mousetrap born ging amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even think about that. You and Rube.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldberg, yep, pals forever?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So Rube Goldberg was born Ruben Garrett Lucius Goldberg kincaid,

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<v Speaker 2>great name, born on the fourth of July in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three in San Francisco. And this all makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an engineer. He went to school at cal

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<v Speaker 2>Berkeley and got an engineering degree, So you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>sort of makes sense that all these sort of contraptions

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<v Speaker 2>he drew in these cartoons came from an engineer's brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess he was a cartoonist at heart, at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least. His granddaughter who wrote a book about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Jennifer or is Jennifer George. Her book

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<v Speaker 1>is the Art of Rube Goldberg. And she said that

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<v Speaker 1>what he cared most about was if he made you laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's not that much room to do that as

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<v Speaker 1>a mining engineer, right, So he spent about six months

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<v Speaker 1>after he got his degree he graduated, he spent six

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<v Speaker 1>months mapping water and sewer lines and he said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is not the job for me, and he quit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty well paying job and decamped to

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<v Speaker 1>New York, where he took a much lower paying job

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<v Speaker 1>at the New York Evening Mail as a cartoonist because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he wanted to do, so he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. He was that kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what else he did that kind of knocked

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<v Speaker 2>me out. What In the book, his granddaughter talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he was a writer. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>sculptor later in life. But he wrote a three Stooges movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's right before they were well known, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were Ted Healy and his Stooges.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pre uh, I'm gonna say the wrong stooge.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Curly pre Shemp might have been pre Curly. The original

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<v Speaker 1>three was Curly Mow.

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<v Speaker 3>And Larry Okay, I think it was, and then Shep.

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<v Speaker 1>Came after Curly, and then you had Curly Joe, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you had Joe Besser and then you had, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Harlem Globetrotters and Scooba View for some.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason, Dare we do one on the Three Stooges at

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<v Speaker 2>some point?

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be fun definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, He wrote the Three Stooges movie Soup to Nuts,

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<v Speaker 2>but ended up, like you said, being a cartoonist and

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<v Speaker 2>first got his fame drawing a cartoon that was of

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<v Speaker 2>the time. It's not so funny now, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>called foolish Questions. I did close to five hundred of these,

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<v Speaker 2>and one example was it would be a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>had just fallen from a tall building on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>and a lady comes up and says, are you hurt?

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, no, I'm taking my beauty sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>So does it translate?

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<v Speaker 2>Is like the funniest thing these days, but it really

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<v Speaker 2>does just gangbusters in the early nineteen hundreds of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one thing he had a knack for was

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<v Speaker 1>creating national fads. So people from around the country send

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<v Speaker 1>in suggestions for foolish questions, and he wrote I think

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<v Speaker 1>he drew five hundred of them. Did you say they're

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>And fifty yeah, close to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was just a kind of like a trait

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<v Speaker 1>of his career. He was a nationally syndicated cartoonist almost

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate, and so when he came up

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<v Speaker 1>with a new idea, usually just for some reason, struck

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<v Speaker 1>a nerve in America just want bonkers for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Sh Yeah, I think it's a good place for a break.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we're hanging on to any cliff here.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we'll be right back to reveal who the

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<v Speaker 3>murderer is right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>So, in addition to foolish questions, he had a whole

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<v Speaker 1>plethora of other kind of cartoon inventions, not the cartoons,

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<v Speaker 1>about inventions like cartoon characters and strips that he invented,

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<v Speaker 1>is what I mean. So there's a I'm the guy

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<v Speaker 1>which started another national trend. It would be like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who put the Hobo and Hoboken. People love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was kind of like the original You

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<v Speaker 1>might be a redneck gift or here's your sign or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was what Fox were they recently, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>in an airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, continue, was he doing like a performance or was

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<v Speaker 1>he just walking around? No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, he was performing an airport. He had a

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<v Speaker 3>guitar case up and with there's a bunch of change

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<v Speaker 3>in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say hi?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, I just was like, yeah, you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>give him like.

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<v Speaker 1>A low five as you passed him.

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<v Speaker 3>No, okay, I should have. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the I'm the guy. Another very famous character

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<v Speaker 1>was Boob McNutt. I've read some of the Boob McNutt strips,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean they're involved not funny, even like even

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<v Speaker 1>if you just kind of take away like the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that like one hundred something years have passed, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not that funny. But they're still cute and adorable and

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<v Speaker 1>very well done. That's yeah, Yeah, I love the art,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So he eventually in nineteen twelve is when he started

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<v Speaker 2>these rude Goldberg invention drawings, and these really really took off.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one that was used in the House Stuff

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<v Speaker 2>Works article as an example. It's that's pretty fun called

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<v Speaker 2>the simple Mosquito Exterminator. No home should be without it,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just going to read it real quick from

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<v Speaker 2>Rube Goldberg's own writing. The mosquito enters a window at

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<v Speaker 2>a and walks along board which is strewn with small

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<v Speaker 2>chunks of rare steak. After munching steak, as he walks,

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<v Speaker 2>he's overcome by fumes coming from sponge B, which is

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<v Speaker 2>soaked in chloroform, and falls on platform C. When he

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<v Speaker 2>regains consciousness, he looks through the telescope D inspires reflection

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<v Speaker 2>of bald head E, and there's a guy laying on

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<v Speaker 2>the bed bald head in mirror. He mistakes this for

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<v Speaker 2>the real thing, jumps off springboard C through D and

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<v Speaker 2>dashes his brains. I guess we would say bashes these

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<v Speaker 2>days out against the mirror, falling lifeless and can f Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason you kept going through parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>alphabet reading that is because these invention cartoons were they

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<v Speaker 1>were like schematics, so like each part was labeled with

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<v Speaker 1>the letter, and then the corresponding explain nation would say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, A and B and all that. So that

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of made it even cooler. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously he had a bit of the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of an engineer still, although the spirit of the cartoon

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<v Speaker 1>like really overwhelmed and throttled and ended up strangling the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of the engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love this stuff. I looked at these cartoons

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<v Speaker 2>all morning. I really really liked them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. There's another character that he made that I

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<v Speaker 1>read was probably his most famous, at least as far

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<v Speaker 1>as characters went, Professor Lucifer gorgan Zola Butts and Boobs

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. Professor Butts was based on two different professors

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<v Speaker 1>that Goldberg had in college at the mining school. One

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<v Speaker 1>was Samuel B. Christi He was the deaning of the

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<v Speaker 1>mining school. Another was Frederick Slat he was the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the physics department, and he found them both painfully

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<v Speaker 1>boring and dry. Apparently, Samuel B. Christie's favorite thing was

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<v Speaker 1>to explain what degree you should push a wheelbarrow uphill.

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<v Speaker 1>At for maximum efficiency was that kind of guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he kind of put these two together and created

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Lucifer Gorganzola Butts. But from his experience with these

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<v Speaker 1>guys with Slate in particular, kind of like esoteric joke

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<v Speaker 1>came along that I'm not sure whether he was aware

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<v Speaker 1>of or not, but he mentions something. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an essay that was published something called the Barodic

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<v Speaker 1>b A R O d I K, which he described

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<v Speaker 1>as this incredibly convoluted machine that filled an entire laboratory

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<v Speaker 1>that was meant to measure the mass of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>The weight of the earth, I think is the way

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<v Speaker 1>he put it. And his explanation were like the only

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<v Speaker 1>account of this machine. And some people got kind of

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed trying to find like other documentation of this machine.

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<v Speaker 1>And as this one guy he wrote an article in

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<v Speaker 1>the U See where was he from Irvine?

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<v Speaker 3>From Goldberg?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh the college?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, yeah, he was in a lumb right U

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<v Speaker 1>C Berkeley. Anyway, this guy wrote an article called crack

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<v Speaker 1>Slate and the UC Berkeley. I guess Blue and gold publication,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. And he talks about like trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find documentation and he realizes, like this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a figment generally of Goldberg's imagination. There was a machine

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<v Speaker 1>that had a name similar to that, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a barometer. But he took it and created this huge,

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<v Speaker 1>basically enormous convoluted machine in his imagination and inadvertently or

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<v Speaker 1>advertently left a historical joke kind of as a time

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<v Speaker 1>bomb for somebody to come along and get obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 3>Now was that Goldberg or Slate?

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<v Speaker 1>So Slay supposedly had that machine in his lab. Goldberg

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who described it and his his s

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<v Speaker 1>was the only documentation of it for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, okay, I get it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it is interesting that, you know, it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>to think about these cartoons are just fun and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, But people have pointed out over the years that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, these are really commentaries that are more relevant

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<v Speaker 2>now than they even were back then, which is this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that machines many times can come along and mess

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<v Speaker 2>things up. Technology can mess things up, like we can

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<v Speaker 2>take very simple, elegant processes and make them far more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than they need to be because of technology. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Goldberg was probably poking around at that idea himself,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh, definitely for sure. Well, he was also a conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>and he viewed like an increasingly large and cumbersome federal

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<v Speaker 1>government that grew up under FDR as like an example

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<v Speaker 1>of one of his Goldberg machines, an unnecessarily complicated machine

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<v Speaker 1>for carrying out a relatively simple task. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 1>also political cartoonists too. He won a pulitzer at least

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<v Speaker 1>for one or a bulletser, and he also received some

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<v Speaker 1>death threats for some of them because they didn't always

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<v Speaker 1>sit well with Americans, and he became so concerned with

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<v Speaker 1>it he had his family's name changed. So the reason

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<v Speaker 1>his granddaughter's name is Jennifer George is because his son

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas changed his name to Thomas George, and his other son, George,

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<v Speaker 1>followed in Thomas's footsteps and took the name George George.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jennifer is the daughter of one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He was Jewish, and he he would comment a lot

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<v Speaker 2>and his cartoons on fascism, on what's going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, didn't sit well with a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>And we should point out the one he won, the Bulletzer,

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<v Speaker 2>was a cartoon in nineteen forty seven that had a

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<v Speaker 2>little house balanced on a nuclear missile balanced on a

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<v Speaker 2>precipice and it just said peace today. Obviously a very

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<v Speaker 2>shaky thing, and he won a bulletzer for that, which

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<v Speaker 2>is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then one last thing, apparently mouse Trap the

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<v Speaker 1>game actually did lift some components of some of his

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<v Speaker 1>drawings directly from his cartoons and refused to pay him

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<v Speaker 1>any royalties for them. What. Yeah, Marvin Glass was to

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<v Speaker 1>blame for that, boo. So there you go, Chuck Bood

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Glass, which, of course means that short stuff is out.

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