1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, There's Chuck. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Jerry's here too, Dave Saran Sperre. Let's get going. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Big thanks to stell simonton great name one of the 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: great house Stuffworks dot com writers. And I am really 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: thrilled with this one because I had always known about 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: and heard the term and fully understood what Rube Goldberg meant. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: A Rube Goldberg machine is something that is really complex 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: and kind of awesome, and it's usually some kind of 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: crazy contraption that ends up doing something very very simply 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: in a way that's far too complicated than it needs 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: to be, right. And I know that because it's a 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: very common term. It's been around since in the dictionary 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: actually since nineteen thirty one. But I never, until like yesterday, 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: knew that Rube Goldberg was like a dude and he 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: was a cartoonist and that's where it came from. He 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: drew cartoons about these machines. 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: It was very popular for it. 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I guess I knew that already, and 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, yeah I did. I think one of 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: the things my first introduction to Rube Goldberg was that 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: game mouse Trap. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: Remember that of course I have one, and we have 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: one in Ruby's room. 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. So that was directly lifted in 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: some ways from Rube Goldberg cartoons. And that must have 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: been where like the springboard for me, that going into 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: me in a bathtub, that went down a pole and 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: dropped me off in a fountain of molasses. 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a mouse trap cartoon. It wasn't what 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: they did in the game, but clearly inspired by that 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: kind of thing. He did like fifty thousand cartoons. When 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: I look at his stuff, I'm sure you looked at 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: a ton of these cartoons. I really like the actual 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: contraption stuff, not so much to the others, but he 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: it reminds it was not unlike r Crumb in style 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: for sure. And I went and looked it up, and 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 2: apparently Rube Goldberg is one of quite a few artists 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: that inspired arkrum So it made sense. 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Oh okay, good catch man. 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of Arkrummy. 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: One of the other little interesting tibits about Rube Goldberg 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: to get started is his name is the only name 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: listed as an adjective in Merriam Webster Dictionary. Yeah, and 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: there are other names listed, but they're altered like Machiavellian. 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: This is just Rube Goldberg is an adjective to describe 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: something that is unnecessarily complicated. 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: Well, your name is the only name that is in 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: the dictionary as a verb. 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: That's true. 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: Got to clark somebody. 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: Something Clark me that mousetrap born ging amazing. 52 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that. You and Rube. 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: Goldberg, yep, pals forever? 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: All right? 55 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: So Rube Goldberg was born Ruben Garrett Lucius Goldberg kincaid, 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: great name, born on the fourth of July in eighteen 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: eighty three in San Francisco. And this all makes sense. 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: He was an engineer. He went to school at cal 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: Berkeley and got an engineering degree, So you know, it 60 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: sort of makes sense that all these sort of contraptions 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: he drew in these cartoons came from an engineer's brain. 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess he was a cartoonist at heart, at 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the very least. His granddaughter who wrote a book about him. 64 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Her name was Jennifer or is Jennifer George. Her book 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: is the Art of Rube Goldberg. And she said that 66 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: what he cared most about was if he made you laugh. 67 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: And there's not that much room to do that as 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: a mining engineer, right, So he spent about six months 69 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: after he got his degree he graduated, he spent six 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: months mapping water and sewer lines and he said, this 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: is this is not the job for me, and he quit. 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: It was a pretty well paying job and decamped to 73 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: New York, where he took a much lower paying job 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: at the New York Evening Mail as a cartoonist because 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: that's what he wanted to do, so he decided to 76 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: do it. He was that kind of guy. 77 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: You know what else he did that kind of knocked 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: me out. What In the book, his granddaughter talked about 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: the fact that he was a writer. He was a 80 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: sculptor later in life. But he wrote a three Stooges movie. 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right before they were well known, and 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: they were Ted Healy and his Stooges. 83 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: It was pre uh, I'm gonna say the wrong stooge. 84 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: I can't remember. 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Curly pre Shemp might have been pre Curly. The original 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: three was Curly Mow. 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: And Larry Okay, I think it was, and then Shep. 88 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Came after Curly, and then you had Curly Joe, and 89 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: then you had Joe Besser and then you had, like 90 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: the Harlem Globetrotters and Scooba View for some. 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Reason, Dare we do one on the Three Stooges at 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: some point? 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: That'd be fun definitely. 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, He wrote the Three Stooges movie Soup to Nuts, 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: but ended up, like you said, being a cartoonist and 96 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: first got his fame drawing a cartoon that was of 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: the time. It's not so funny now, but they were 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: called foolish Questions. I did close to five hundred of these, 99 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: and one example was it would be a guy that 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: had just fallen from a tall building on the ground 101 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: and a lady comes up and says, are you hurt? 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: And he says, no, I'm taking my beauty sleep. 103 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: So does it translate? 104 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Is like the funniest thing these days, but it really 105 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: does just gangbusters in the early nineteen hundreds of Yeah. 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: That was one thing he had a knack for was 107 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: creating national fads. So people from around the country send 108 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: in suggestions for foolish questions, and he wrote I think 109 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: he drew five hundred of them. Did you say they're 110 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: four hundred. 111 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: And fifty yeah, close to it. 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: So that was just a kind of like a trait 113 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: of his career. He was a nationally syndicated cartoonist almost 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: out of the gate, and so when he came up 115 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: with a new idea, usually just for some reason, struck 116 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: a nerve in America just want bonkers for it. 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good cliffhanger. 118 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Sh Yeah, I think it's a good place for a break. 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're hanging on to any cliff here. 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back to reveal who the 121 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: murderer is right after this. 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: So, in addition to foolish questions, he had a whole 123 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: plethora of other kind of cartoon inventions, not the cartoons, 124 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: about inventions like cartoon characters and strips that he invented, 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: is what I mean. So there's a I'm the guy 126 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: which started another national trend. It would be like, I'm 127 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: the guy who put the Hobo and Hoboken. People love that. 128 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I guess it was kind of like the original You 129 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: might be a redneck gift or here's your sign or 130 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: something like that. 131 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what Fox were they recently, by the way, 132 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: in an airport. 133 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Oh, continue, was he doing like a performance or was 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: he just walking around? No? 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: No, yeah, he was performing an airport. He had a 136 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: guitar case up and with there's a bunch of change 137 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: in there. 138 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Did you say hi? 139 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: No? No, no, I just was like, yeah, you didn't 140 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: give him like. 141 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: A low five as you passed him. 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: No, okay, I should have. Sorry. 143 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: So there's the I'm the guy. Another very famous character 144 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: was Boob McNutt. I've read some of the Boob McNutt strips, 145 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: and I mean they're involved not funny, even like even 146 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: if you just kind of take away like the fact 147 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: that like one hundred something years have passed, it's just 148 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: not that funny. But they're still cute and adorable and 149 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: very well done. That's yeah, Yeah, I love the art, 150 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. 151 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: So he eventually in nineteen twelve is when he started 152 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: these rude Goldberg invention drawings, and these really really took off. 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: There was one that was used in the House Stuff 154 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: Works article as an example. It's that's pretty fun called 155 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: the simple Mosquito Exterminator. No home should be without it, 156 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: And I'm just going to read it real quick from 157 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Rube Goldberg's own writing. The mosquito enters a window at 158 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: a and walks along board which is strewn with small 159 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: chunks of rare steak. After munching steak, as he walks, 160 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: he's overcome by fumes coming from sponge B, which is 161 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: soaked in chloroform, and falls on platform C. When he 162 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: regains consciousness, he looks through the telescope D inspires reflection 163 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: of bald head E, and there's a guy laying on 164 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: the bed bald head in mirror. He mistakes this for 165 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: the real thing, jumps off springboard C through D and 166 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: dashes his brains. I guess we would say bashes these 167 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: days out against the mirror, falling lifeless and can f Yeah. 168 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: And the reason you kept going through parts of the 169 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: alphabet reading that is because these invention cartoons were they 170 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: were like schematics, so like each part was labeled with 171 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: the letter, and then the corresponding explain nation would say, 172 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, A and B and all that. So that 173 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: just kind of made it even cooler. And I think, 174 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, obviously he had a bit of the spirit 175 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: of an engineer still, although the spirit of the cartoon 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: like really overwhelmed and throttled and ended up strangling the 177 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: spirit of the engineer. 178 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this stuff. I looked at these cartoons 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: all morning. I really really liked them. 180 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: That's awesome. There's another character that he made that I 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: read was probably his most famous, at least as far 182 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: as characters went, Professor Lucifer gorgan Zola Butts and Boobs 183 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: right exactly. Professor Butts was based on two different professors 184 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: that Goldberg had in college at the mining school. One 185 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: was Samuel B. Christi He was the deaning of the 186 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: mining school. Another was Frederick Slat he was the head 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: of the physics department, and he found them both painfully 188 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: boring and dry. Apparently, Samuel B. Christie's favorite thing was 189 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: to explain what degree you should push a wheelbarrow uphill. 190 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: At for maximum efficiency was that kind of guy, and 191 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: so he kind of put these two together and created 192 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: Professor Lucifer Gorganzola Butts. But from his experience with these 193 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: guys with Slate in particular, kind of like esoteric joke 194 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: came along that I'm not sure whether he was aware 195 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: of or not, but he mentions something. I think he 196 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: wrote an essay that was published something called the Barodic 197 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: b A R O d I K, which he described 198 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: as this incredibly convoluted machine that filled an entire laboratory 199 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: that was meant to measure the mass of the earth. 200 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: The weight of the earth, I think is the way 201 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: he put it. And his explanation were like the only 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: account of this machine. And some people got kind of 203 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: obsessed trying to find like other documentation of this machine. 204 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: And as this one guy he wrote an article in 205 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: the U See where was he from Irvine? 206 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: From Goldberg? 207 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: Oh oh the college? 209 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he was in a lumb right U 210 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: C Berkeley. Anyway, this guy wrote an article called crack 211 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: Slate and the UC Berkeley. I guess Blue and gold publication, 212 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And he talks about like trying to 213 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: find documentation and he realizes, like this is this is 214 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: a figment generally of Goldberg's imagination. There was a machine 215 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: that had a name similar to that, but it was 216 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: just a barometer. But he took it and created this huge, 217 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: basically enormous convoluted machine in his imagination and inadvertently or 218 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: advertently left a historical joke kind of as a time 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: bomb for somebody to come along and get obsessed with. 220 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: Now was that Goldberg or Slate? 221 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: So Slay supposedly had that machine in his lab. Goldberg 222 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: was the one who described it and his his s 223 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: was the only documentation of it for a while. 224 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, I get it now. 225 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it is interesting that, you know, it's funny 226 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: to think about these cartoons are just fun and all 227 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: that stuff, But people have pointed out over the years that, like, 228 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 2: you know, these are really commentaries that are more relevant 229 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: now than they even were back then, which is this 230 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: idea that machines many times can come along and mess 231 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: things up. Technology can mess things up, like we can 232 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: take very simple, elegant processes and make them far more 233 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: complicated than they need to be because of technology. And 234 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: I think Goldberg was probably poking around at that idea himself, 235 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: don't you. 236 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, definitely for sure. Well, he was also a conservative, 237 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: and he viewed like an increasingly large and cumbersome federal 238 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: government that grew up under FDR as like an example 239 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: of one of his Goldberg machines, an unnecessarily complicated machine 240 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: for carrying out a relatively simple task. Yeah, he was 241 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: also political cartoonists too. He won a pulitzer at least 242 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: for one or a bulletser, and he also received some 243 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: death threats for some of them because they didn't always 244 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: sit well with Americans, and he became so concerned with 245 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: it he had his family's name changed. So the reason 246 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: his granddaughter's name is Jennifer George is because his son 247 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: Thomas changed his name to Thomas George, and his other son, George, 248 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,239 Speaker 1: followed in Thomas's footsteps and took the name George George. 249 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: And Jennifer is the daughter of one of them. 250 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 251 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: He was Jewish, and he he would comment a lot 252 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: and his cartoons on fascism, on what's going on, and 253 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: like you said, didn't sit well with a lot of people. 254 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: And we should point out the one he won, the Bulletzer, 255 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: was a cartoon in nineteen forty seven that had a 256 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: little house balanced on a nuclear missile balanced on a 257 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: precipice and it just said peace today. Obviously a very 258 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: shaky thing, and he won a bulletzer for that, which 259 00:13:59,280 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: is great. 260 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then one last thing, apparently mouse Trap the 261 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: game actually did lift some components of some of his 262 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: drawings directly from his cartoons and refused to pay him 263 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: any royalties for them. What. Yeah, Marvin Glass was to 264 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: blame for that, boo. So there you go, Chuck Bood 265 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Marvin Glass, which, of course means that short stuff is out. 266 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: You Know, Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 267 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 268 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.