1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Let's give a big shout 4 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: out to the superhero of our show, Mr Max Williams, 5 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: superhero super producer. That's not like a Max shaped foghorn? Yeah, 6 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: can you do that again? Max? I'm really interested. Remember 7 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: those Rico lock commercials. It's like that. It's kind of 8 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it went from foghorn to Rico up, 9 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: which I respect. I respect your range as a yodler, 10 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: and I still have it. I still have a yodeling episode. 11 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: We can too, But I'm ben uh your knoll. And 12 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: today we are not talking about yodeling, but we are 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: talking about a another hero, someone who was so cool 14 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: they got a grown up nickname. And I first I realized, 15 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: when we're looking at the research nal that that has 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: for many years been one of my unconscious qualifiers for 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: someone being a real bad a trying to swing the cursewords. 18 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Uh well, not a bad apple, a bad um that 19 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: not a bad antagonist, a bad posterior. I yes, I 20 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: see where you're going with this, you tricksy devil. Uh No, 21 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: it's true, but an adult nickname is a big deal. 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm usually nicknames are bestowed upon the youth and then 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: it sort of carries along with them for the rest 24 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: of their lives, oftentimes under duress. If you've ever watched 25 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: the series The Wire, you know about Snot Boogie. You 26 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: know that's the character who uh the very first scene 27 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: talking about snot Boogy posthumously. Um, you know, ran away 28 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: with the with the craps money and finally got got shot. 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, you've done in a million times, but you know, 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: how do you get a name like snot Boogy? One 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: day you show up, you don't have a cold, it's cold, 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: you get a running nose. Next thing you know, you're 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: snot for the rest of your life. That is unfortunately, Yeah, 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: exactly boot. There's actually there's a character on the new 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: character They're all characters on the new uh Jackass movie 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: named Poopies. Um. Gotta wonder how Poopies came to be 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: Probably similarly, probably pooped his pants doing some sort of 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: weird skateboard stunt, but not during the French Resistance. No, 39 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, because I am digressing too far to 40 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: the modern day. We are talking about adult nicknames based 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: on heroic acts of bad posterior heroism. Uh, and today 42 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about the nickname the white mouse, which sounds 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: innocuoust doesn't It almost sounds like a diminutive nickname. But 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: what a white mice really good at doing? Being experimented on? 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: Sure against their will. But no, we're more talking about 46 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: screw worrying around escaping capture, you know, scuttling through secret 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: tunnels and holes in the wall and evading Nazis. Uh 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: the karate chopping them in the throat. True story. On 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: March one, nineteen forty four, there was a French resistance 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: captain named Henri Tardi Vat and he found a person 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: named Nancy Wake. Nancy Wake, when he found her, was 52 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: tangled up in a tree, and as he was staring 53 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: at her hanging askew in the branches of this tree, 54 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: he uh basically thought she was very attractive, and he 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: gave her this line, this pretty cinematic He says, I 56 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: hope that all the trees in France bears such beautiful 57 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: fruits this year. Player. Uh, yeah, she was. She wasn't 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: just like posing for for this tude's benefit. She had 59 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: gotten entangled in the tree after a parachuting incident. She 60 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: was parachuting from a B twenty four umer and was 61 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: actually carrying classified documents, and she was on the way 62 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: to a local resistance movement group meet up. You know, 63 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I hang, And she didn't have any time for this 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: fool and his uh and his misogynistic you know advances. 65 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: She goes, don't give me that French if while untangling 66 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: herself from the tree. At this moment, he realized that 67 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: this was no ordinary damsel in distress. Oh very much not. 68 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: We're starting this story in media arrest because you know, secretly, 69 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: we're also a film studio in our heads. Let's introduce 70 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: you real quick to Nancy Wake. She is trained in 71 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: hand to hand combat. She knows espionage like the back 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: of her hand. She's a sabocure. She is also quite 73 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: capable of drinking pretty much every dude under the table. 74 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: She becomes known as one of the most feared French 75 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: distance fighters during the entirety of World War Two. As 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, as we'll learn in today's episode, 77 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: the Gestapo eventually put her at the top of their 78 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: most wanted list. They were gonna pay five million Francs 79 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: for her dead or alive. And it's the Gestapo who 80 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: gave her the nickname the White Mouse because, as you said, Nol, 81 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: she was so talented at evading capture. It might surprise 82 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: you hearing this list of bona fides and accolades to 83 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: learn that she wasn't always a secret agent. She, as 84 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, started out as a freelance journalist. 85 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I want to give a big shout out to several 86 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: of our sources here, big fan of Paul Vitello's work 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: for The New York Times. Won't give you the title 88 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: just yet, but we've got no We've got some great 89 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: sources for this. All that's interesting as well, Right, lovely article, 90 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: Meet Nancy Wake, the White Mouse of the French Resistance. 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: No spoilers there, We've already dropped that knowledge on you. 92 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: And uh it was Katie Serena who dropped that knowledge 93 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: on us via our previous and uh and sorely missed 94 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: research associates. Gabe Lousier. Gabe Lousier first of his name. 95 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: I don't know why I keep saying that about people, 96 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: but Gabe Bluesier is the the nearest and dearest Gabelusier 97 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: to our hearts. He is also the host of This 98 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Day in History Class, one of our pure podcasts. So 99 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: if you like us miss Gabe, go ahead and check 100 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: out his shows. He's doing well. We might even have 101 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: him back back with us sooner rather than later. I 102 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: don't know, man, he kind of hurt us, dude, he 103 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: kind of he kind of broke our hearts. I know. 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: But that's why. Look, that's why he needs to know 105 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: that we're doing well in life. No, we need so 106 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: he can see us. All right. I like your style. 107 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: I like your style, Ben, But here's the thing. I mean, 108 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: this was a woman. If you look at her photo, 109 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: you can see it on the olives and all that's 110 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: interesting article. A resolutely stunning um woman with poise and 111 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: class for days, all the things you described absolutely accurate, 112 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: could drink her male counterparts under the table, studied all 113 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: of the deadly arts and and subterfuge tradecraft and the like, 114 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: but got her start more as like a kind of 115 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: um I don't know, Forrest Gump meets Ernest Hemingway kind 116 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: of trapesing through history in a in a cool way, 117 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: like via a career as a journalist, which is often 118 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: we'll find you. As events are unfolding around World War Two, 119 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: you find yourself kind of faced with the choices like 120 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: do you want to be passive in this in these events? 121 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Do you want to report from the sidelines or do 122 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you dive in headlong? And Nancy Wake chose the latter. Yes, 123 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: she absolutely did. Let's learn a little bit more about her. 124 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: If you haven't heard of her before, folks, you're in 125 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: for a treat. Nancy was born Nancy Grace Augusta Wake. 126 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Nothing to do with the Nancy Grace you just thought of. 127 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: She was born in Wellington, New Zealand, on August and 128 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: she was one of those kids. This happens all the 129 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: time in families. She was one of those kids who 130 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: came along way after the rest of her siblings. She's 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: the baby. She's much younger than her other five siblings. 132 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: And pretty soon after she was born, her parents moved 133 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: from New Zealand to Australia and they put down their 134 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: roots in North Sydney. She did not have the best childhood. 135 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: There was a lot of poverty, there was instability. Eventually, 136 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: her father, who was also a journalist, abandoned the family. 137 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: He walked out. He said he was going to go 138 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: film a documentary about the Maori in New Zealand, and 139 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: then he left Nancy and her mother and all her siblings. 140 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: This is coming from the Jewish Virtual Library, which has 141 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: a great overview of Nancy's early life. And there's something 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: interesting that happens here. Normal. So Nancy and Nancy and 143 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: her mom and her siblings are doing their best to 144 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: get by in Australia. Nancy goes to school in Sydney, 145 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: but then, similar to her father in some ways, she 146 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: runs away from home at the young age of sixteen. 147 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: That's right, um. But lucky for her, she got a 148 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: bit of a windfall two hundred bucks, which at the 149 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: time would have been quite a pilot cash. And that 150 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: was from her aunt, and she was able to use 151 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: this money in order to travel abroad. She went to 152 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: New York, she went to London, she went to Paris, 153 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: and that's where she found work as a journalist, the 154 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: plucky age of twenty oh. Wait, wait, you gotta explain. 155 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: We gotta explain this though, right just I think to 156 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: give people a sense of two hundred dollars, you and 157 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: I travel pretty extensively. I think we need an inflation 158 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: calculator let's see New York, London, and Paris on two 159 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Who is her travel agent? That's amazing. I 160 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: need to know this guy. Yeah, this this, this would 161 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: have been in the early days of of leisure travel 162 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: as well, kind of you know, I mean, and that's like, yeah, 163 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: I gotta hear that. We gotta hear some boobs. Let's 164 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: get our boots on, all right. So uh, and we're 165 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: we're fudging this a little bit. This is not Australian dollars. 166 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna use us, so it's gonna be a little different. 167 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: But if we're just pretending these are US dollars, two 168 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: hundred dollars in ninety eight would have been the equivalent 169 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: of three thousand, three eight one dollars and thirty nine cents. 170 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: And let's just you know, okay, maybe that's a little underwhelming, 171 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: you might say fair, But let's also picture this very 172 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: self possessed and driven young woman, likely just scrapping her 173 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: way along. This wasn't like, you know, a windfall that 174 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: was going to allow her to live a life of luxury. No, 175 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: she had to find in her way to that life 176 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: of luxury, and her way to the means of paying 177 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: for it, which she did. She got work as a 178 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: journalist at age twenty, and this allowed her to travel 179 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: and move in some of these more extravagant circles. She 180 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: eventually settled in France, where she, you know, like you do, 181 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: she married a wealthy industrialist. I love the idea it's 182 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: a wealthy industrialist. It's just sort of a type. I 183 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: just picture a dude with like mutton chops, like big 184 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: gray mutton chops, and like one of those uh what 185 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: do you call those beards that kind of were just 186 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: like half over the top of your strap, this strappy one. 187 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: The strappy beards what do you call those? Are the 188 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: ones that are like sort of just the mustache that 189 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: go down along the sides but no beard to fill 190 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: in in the middle. There is a name for it, 191 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: um is Is it a van dyke van something that's 192 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: the van dyke is like the soul patch in the 193 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: musta what is that called? My My dad rocks that 194 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: look all the time, and I just can't remember what 195 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: he calls it. And there's well, there's the horseshoe, but 196 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: that's not what we're taking about. Mutton chops are what 197 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: mutton chops are where the beard is shaved off the ship. Well, 198 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: that's its own thing. This is what I'm talking about. Yeah, 199 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We're just making up an imaginary wealthy 200 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: industrialists pictured Daddy Warbocks. That's what I always think of, right. 201 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: It took me forever to realize. The time seems a 202 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: little different, but when I was a kid, you know, 203 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I love musicals. It took me forever to realize that 204 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: Daddy Warbucks is a is a clear, very on the 205 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: nose reference to war profiteers. Yeah, check out our episode 206 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: on the creepy and uh controversial history of Little or 207 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Finanny tunes. Uh, you know and all that um. But 208 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: last day on this you know the character I'm picturing 209 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: the character from the first season of The Mandalorian, the 210 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: one who goes like, what does he say? As a catchphrase, 211 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: he looks like a weird little monkey guy. He says, 212 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: I have spoken. I have spoken, Yes, Koli. For the 213 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: first season, he's got that kind of look, that wealthy 214 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: industrial industrialist look. If you can see, he's got the 215 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: muddon shops and it's really more of like a skin mustache. 216 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: But he's kind That's kind of what I'm picturing here. 217 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: So okay, well that was a bit of a walk 218 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: to get there. But she marries the wealthy industrialist that 219 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: allows her to continue, in fact, escalate this kind of 220 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: life of luxury. I get you only about twenty years old. 221 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: The guy's name, by the way, was Henry Fioca, which 222 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: is quite as cool. Yeah, you's to be Henry Focaccia, 223 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: like like the bread um. But but alas, and then 224 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: that was in nineteen thirty six, which is kind of 225 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: crazy because my dad, my parents had me a bit 226 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: older but later in life. My dad was born in 227 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, so this is definitely within the span 228 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: of people living today. But here's the thing. This is 229 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of the moment in nineteen thirty three she begins 230 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: to reach that tipping point that I was talking about, 231 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Like do I want to report from the sidelines? Do 232 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: I want to be a commentator and sort of like 233 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: a passive reporter, or I want to really get involved. 234 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: She was working at a as a freelancer for a 235 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: Parisian newspaper and she was asked to go to Vienna 236 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: to interview the German Chancellor, a guy by the name 237 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: of pat af Hitler that that Hitler. It's that that's 238 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: the one you're thinking of. And to be clear, you know, 239 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: she could have just lived a life of opulent luxury, 240 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: but she chose to remain working as a freelancer. And 241 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: while she was in Vienna, she saw just atrocious treatment 242 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: of Jewish people and she noticed the correlation here. It 243 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: was Hitler's followers and disciples who were committing these anti 244 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Semitic crimes. And when I'm saying anti Semitic crime, I'm 245 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: not talking about just and this is not to diminish 246 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: this in any way. I'm not talking about vandalism. I'm 247 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: talking about people being pulled out of buildings and tortured 248 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: and beaten in this streets by the Gestapo. And she says, okay, 249 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I know what these people are about. It is my 250 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: moral duty to do anything I can to stop the 251 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Nazi Party. She talked about this for the rest of 252 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: her life. As she said, this cemented her deep, abiding, 253 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: profound hatred for the Nazis, and rightly so go Nancy, 254 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: and she decided at that moment it really was kind 255 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: of a fulcrum for her. But at that moment she 256 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: decided she was going to do whatever was necessary to 257 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: stop Nazis, and to stop Hitler in particular. And it 258 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: wasn't until several years later that she got her chance 259 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty when the Nazis invaded the Netherlands, Belgium 260 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and France. Remember her husband who was sadly not named 261 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Henri Focasha but Fioca. Her husband had enough money that 262 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: they could have skaaddle, they could have left France, but 263 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: they decided to stay and fight, and they joined the 264 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: French resistance in Paris. That's right, the two of them. 265 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: I love that, uh, you know, because it's like we're 266 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: ragging on this guy for his, you know, very vague 267 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and grandiose title of wealthy French industrialist. But he was 268 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: on board. He he was he was gonna put that 269 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: money to good use, and and for that I applaud him, 270 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: um Mr facaccio Fioca, excuse me. So during this time 271 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: they were able to parlay that wealth into things that 272 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: would actually help get Jewish refugees across the border. For example, 273 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: they bought an ambulance they could use as kind of 274 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: a cover for transporting Jewish refugees across the border into 275 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: safe territory. She also was in a place of some 276 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: level of privilege, as you may guest, but she used 277 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: that too great effect as well. The wife of a 278 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: very successful, wealthy industrialist was able to move around in 279 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: certain circles of the upper echelon, UH, someone who had 280 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: the equivalent of a diplomatic past because of her history 281 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: as a journalist as well, and had not thus far 282 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, been like outspoken, like writing like hit 283 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: pieces on Hitler or whatever. So I think it was 284 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: important to kind of maintain sort of a cover in 285 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: that respect and use all of these factors UH to 286 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: their greatest possible effect. She was friends with the famous 287 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Scottish officer, a guy by the name of Ian Garrow, uh, 288 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: and helped him transport military personnel who were stranding in 289 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: France back to British soil. So Wake actually worked with 290 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: Garrow along with Belgian Major General Albert Marie. I'm gonna say, Gurris, Gorris, 291 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: do you e with a little schwa thinging over the 292 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: e or the accent r? I s s e H. 293 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: And he's Belgian, so I don't know. I'm gonna do 294 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: my best there, uh, guerrisa perhaps to help establish roots 295 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: UH that could be used to guide French soldiers to safety. Yeah, 296 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of like an underground railroad. For two years, 297 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: the fiocas were working as couriers. They were smuggling supplies 298 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: and fake documents, and then later they evolved into that 299 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: brilliant ambulance power to Escape network. They didn't always use 300 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: the ambulance, but I thought that was such a clever move. 301 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: The Gestapo gets wend of this and they they think, Okay, 302 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: obviously some of these French locals are not super on 303 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: board with our crazy ideas, so we're gonna try to 304 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: find and shut down these resistance cells. And they started 305 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: going through Nancy Wake's mail, they started posting surveillance agents 306 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: at her home. Uh, and they just couldn't really catch 307 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: her in. She became the Gestapo's number one most wanted individual. 308 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Have mentioned earlier, she got that five million frank price 309 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: tag on her head, and because she became someone on 310 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: a most wanted list, her privileged social position would no 311 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: longer protect her. And she recounts later how her husband said, 312 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: you have to leave just for her safety. He wanted 313 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: her to get out, get to get out of France 314 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: and leave him behind, and she remembers so heartbreaking. She 315 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: remembers going out of the door, saying that she was 316 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: going to do some shopping to give the guy plausible 317 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: deniability and that she would be back soon. She left 318 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: and they never saw each other again. She planned to 319 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: travel to Britain. This is where we see the rise 320 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: of the White Mouse. She doesn't get out on her 321 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: first attempt. People are watching the border. All in all, 322 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: she makes six tries to get out of France. She's 323 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: trying to cross the Pyrenees into Spain, where she was 324 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: taking persecuted people in the past, and she had some 325 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: really close calls. Man. She earned the nickname big time 326 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: once she was captured by the French Milish believe that's 327 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: how you pronounce it um the v she militia and 328 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: to lose, and she was held for four days. But 329 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: she didn't give up the ghost. She she kept her 330 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: mouth shut and she wouldn't give up any of her 331 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: colleagues or any of her comrades. Yes, she's very good 332 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: at convincing people of untrue things. She gets picked up 333 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: by authorities on a train outside of Toulouse, and to 334 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: avoid being captured, she oh, man, this is there's a 335 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: lot of huts. But here she spends this crazy tale 336 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: where she says, you have to let me go, okay, 337 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: because I am actually the mistress of one of these guards, 338 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: and I know I look like I'm in a disguise, 339 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: but it's because I can't let my husband know I'm 340 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: sleeping around and the German guards. You know, we don't 341 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: have the specifics of what she said, but the German 342 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: guards said, oh, okay, well, well hey, we're not We're 343 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: not going to snitch on you, you know, Glory, presumably 344 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: to like help out their their bros there, bros. Yeah. 345 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: This is when Wake actually got the nickname Las SuRie 346 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: blanche or the white Mouse, because she actually evaded capture 347 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: by the Gestapo officers and SS cards multiple times and 348 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: would later talk about, you know how she was able 349 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: to combine some charm with obviously some true training in 350 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: order to find her way out of these tricky situations. 351 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: She would say, a little powder and a little drink 352 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: on the way, and I'd passed their German posts and 353 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: wink and say do you want to search me? Big boy? 354 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I added that part, Uh, Kyle, what a flirtations, little bastard. 355 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: I was right, And this is brilliant of Minx. I 356 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, she's leaning into assumptions and that's a 357 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: huge part of social engineering. In tradecraft. She's unassuming. She 358 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: looks like a well to do person who is just 359 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, a little in their cups 360 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: and like I live them in in uniform and then boom, 361 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: she's accomplished her mission. And so this is how she 362 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: escapes through the purities into Spain, and then she makes 363 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: it to Britain. And once she gets to Britain, you know, 364 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies at this time are all very deep, deeply 365 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: interested in each other and if someone is good enough 366 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: to earn a nickname, they probably the other forces probably no. 367 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: So the British Special Operations Executive s o E. Says, okay, 368 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: White Mouse, we will train you in our arts. In 369 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: the art of tradecraft, which is the euphemistic name for spycraft. 370 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: She learns how to kill people silently. She learns codes, 371 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: she learns correct ways to operate radio. She learns how 372 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: to parachute, especially at night, which is how she ended 373 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: up within that tree at the beginning of our story. 374 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: She knows how to use plastic explosives. She's familiar with 375 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: firearms as well as grenades, and all of her training officers. Again, 376 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: despite the misogyny of the time, say this lady is 377 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: putting the dudes to shame. They're looking around at the 378 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: other recruits. They are like, come on, guys, come on, 379 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: you can't even rig a little bit of a plastic explosive. Nancy, Nancy, 380 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: get back up here, show them, show them how to 381 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: do that. She really was like first in her class 382 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: and it didn't take too long before she became a 383 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: high ranking officer. She organized and ran firearms allocation to 384 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: seven thousand, five hundred different people. At this time, once 385 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: her training is complete, it's nine and get this, she's 386 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: only thirty one years old. What are we doing with 387 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: our lives? She's parachuted into France along with four hundred 388 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: and thirty and thirty nine other women to prepare for 389 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: a little something the Allies like to call D Day. Yeah, yeah, 390 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: that's right. That's the same one, the D Day, like 391 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: the Adolf Hitler. This is the D Day. These are 392 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: not just like adjacent events. Uh. She is in the 393 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: thick of it. Her job is to actually organize ammunition drops. 394 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: So these are like these air drops that are coming down, 395 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: you know with crates. Picture them like kind of raining 396 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: from the sky U parachuted crates of very crucial supplies, 397 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: including AMMO. She also was responsible for setting up supply 398 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: lines and the communications surrounding those supply lines, and also 399 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: to organize resistance movement in prep for the actual attack 400 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: of D Day. She was not only known for her 401 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: widely you know street smarts and ability to evade, capture 402 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: and break through umy lines. She also had a lot 403 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: of acumen when it came to tactics and and strategy 404 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: and and she was used for those skills as well. Yeah, yeah, 405 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: she was a tactician. Uh. They carried out Grea attacks 406 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: on numerous German forces with her team of seven thousand people. 407 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: We're talking about doing damage to twenty two thousand Germans 408 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and burn the supply lines, attacked the infrastructure. This is 409 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: very important stuff. She would later go on to say 410 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: she didn't like killing people in particular, like she wasn't 411 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: sadistic about it. It didn't scratch an itch for her. 412 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: But she said, I don't see why we women should 413 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: just wave our men are proud, goodbye and then knit 414 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: them balaklava's I love the word bala clava. But she 415 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: felt like like baklava. I don't know what it's. A 416 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: balaklava is the Okay, you know how when we were 417 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: doing those bank robberies, we had those knit masks that 418 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: we would put over. Yeah, those are bala clavas. Oh 419 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: like a ski mask. Yeah yeah, it's like it's very similar. 420 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: It has like it's the one with like kind of 421 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: one window for an eye or some or you can 422 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: show your whole face nask. Yeah, it's like something you 423 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: would wear if you know, you were fighting in some 424 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: more really cold and you're just like freezing. It's like, okay, 425 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: can you get myself covered up as much as possible? 426 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: But it also makes you look like a spooky kind 427 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: of stalker type. Yeah. Yeah, but you're warm is the 428 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: thing they're frowned on today. In fact, a lot of 429 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: stores will have signs that say no ski masks allout, 430 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: as if that was any question. It is funny how 431 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: a garment like that that can becomes not ski stores, though. 432 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: I think these stores it's it's it's fair game. Wake 433 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: was also her heroism extended onto the the arena of cycling. 434 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: She was at half a cycler, and that was a 435 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: really nimble way of of kind of using that that 436 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, cover that she had, uh and to just 437 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: kind of bop around through German checkpoints in order to 438 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: established connections with allies London. In particular, she once did 439 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: a three ten mile round trip on her bike in 440 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: order to replace some codes that had been destroyed during 441 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: a German raid um on a post. Without those codes, 442 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: there would be no way for them to communicate regarding 443 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: re ups on those ammunition drops that we talked about. 444 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: So this is like directly pertaining to those kind of 445 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: strategy assists that the Wake would offer. But also she 446 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: would just goes on the ground getting her hands dirty. 447 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: She said the ride took her on seventy one hours 448 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: and she went almost NonStop. That is bold and absolutely impressive. Yeah, 449 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: and and she also, you know, she got her hands 450 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: dirty more ways than one. We mentioned that she didn't 451 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: like killing, and then she was not a sadist, but 452 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: she did take several people's lives. While she was preparing 453 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: for D Day, the White Mouse learned that some of 454 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: her some of her soldiers, had captured a young German 455 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: spy who was female. And these these men who are 456 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: working for I couldn't find it in themselves to kill her. 457 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: So wake did it, And later in two thousand and one, 458 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: she would tell an Australian newspaper, I was not a 459 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: very nice person and it didn't put me off my breakfast. 460 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: And if you want another example, let's talk about the 461 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: time she killed a guy with her bare hands. This 462 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: is the karate chop. Do we mention this part on 463 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: air or was this we set it up at the beginning. 464 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: The afore mentioned karate chop. Not only not bare hands, 465 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: mind you, bare hand, a single handed chop to the neck. 466 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, this was something that was taught to them 467 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: in training. Um it was a an s S officer 468 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: who was about to you know, the equivalent of that 469 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: one soldier and uh and and elden ring that will 470 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: blow the trumpet and then you know, summon all their homes. Yeah, yeah, 471 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you gotta take them out first before they make the noise. 472 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: And nothing like a well placed chop to the neck 473 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: to prevent them from sounding that alarm. This is actually 474 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: during a raid on a German gun factory, which would 475 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: have been a huge strategic value you know target. Um 476 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: so once again saving the day with the swift karate 477 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: shop killed him Debt. Yeah, it reminds me of very 478 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: We've got a quote from her, but it reminds me 479 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: very much of that scene in kill Bill where the 480 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: bride is buried alive spoilers and has the flashback to 481 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: her repetitive punching. God, I wish this was on video. 482 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing an okay chop, but thank you, many punches 483 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: with no real room for a wind up. That was 484 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: the part of it. So she got taught. Well here, 485 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: let's just do the quote. Let's let her speak for 486 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: yourself on this. Yeah. They they taught us this judo 487 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: chop stuff with the flat of the hand, and I 488 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: practiced away at it, but this was the only time 489 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: I used it. Whack and it killed them, all right. 490 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: I was really surprised, right, that's I know, we're not 491 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: diminishing this at all, but which she says, I was 492 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: really surprised. I have this picture of like the flat 493 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: judo chop and then look at the hand and going 494 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: all right, then sort of like shrug emoji. I mean, 495 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: it makes me think of the Star Trek Futurama episode. 496 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: There's the end they're all fighting and so they just 497 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: normal people and let her Nimoy like goes to like 498 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: to the vulcan neck pinch on Bender and he goes, 499 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: let's see if this actually works, and it very much 500 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: does not work. Yeah, I in my um wilder days 501 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: in another life, I remember being very young and I 502 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: thought the vulcan neck pinch was a real thing, and 503 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: I tried it on someone. It's I must do maybe 504 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: just maybe dinner. Right. It's like like the five point 505 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: palm exploding heart technique, Bill things. You gotta get all 506 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: those pressure points in quick succession, right one, if you 507 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: haven't to miss one. We didn't train in the temples 508 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: of Shaoland, so it's comment on this stuff. We studied them, Mike, Yes, 509 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: So she is doing courageous things and things that make 510 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: a huge difference in the resistance effort. In June of nineteen, 511 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: the German forces came at her troops on mass and 512 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: they lost a hundred of their own folks the French 513 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: resistance under under the White Mouse. But they also killed 514 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: one thousand, four hundred of the Germans who came after them. 515 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: So this fighting force, if you look at that ratio, 516 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: they are Wu Tang style. Nothing to f with. Um, 517 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: we know we tease d Day right. That was June 518 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: of nine, and we know that June of n is 519 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: also when the actual D Day happens June six. Wait, 520 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: we are recording a day after the anniversary of D Day, 521 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: and where we are? No, that's true, yeah, seventh, as 522 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: we sit here this very day, probably you know, want 523 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: I guess one of the most popular dramatizations of D 524 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: Day would have been the storming of the beaches in Normandy. 525 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: Um in uh, saving Private Ryan the very first opening sequence. 526 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: Its fabulous. You really feel like you're there, the shaky 527 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: cameras and the bullets whizzing past, and you know, the 528 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: absolute chaos of it all. That's not the kind of 529 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there's certainly chaotic elements to warfare still to 530 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: this day, but not quite the same. Um. It was 531 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: very much you were just hoping to God that you 532 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't catch a bullet in the back of the head, 533 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: and then you were just moving forward while your comrades 534 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: were falling all around you. And it was a very 535 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: hellish situation. And it's it's it's it's a wonder that 536 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: we prevailed. It is very much. So let's look at 537 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: D Day just a bit and how Nancy Wake plays 538 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: into it. So we know that Allied troops, at tremendous costs, 539 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: started to force the German army out of France. On 540 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: August of that same year, Harris Is liberated and Nancy 541 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: Wake leads her troops out to celebrate, but she um 542 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: it was not of celebration for her because she knew 543 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: ever since she told her husband that she was going 544 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: to go shopping and never came back, she knew the 545 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: chances of them reuniteteen were very low, and she truly 546 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: loved him. She wasn't marrying him for the money, obviously, 547 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: and when she got back she learned that he was 548 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: indeed dead. A year after she had left France, the 549 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: Germans captured in, tortured him, and then killed him because 550 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: he refused to give them any information about his wife. 551 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: That is one tough, wealthy French industrialist. We should honor 552 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: him by referring to him as Amrie from now on, 553 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: because the man clearly earned our respect and the respect 554 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: of the world, because I mean, back then it was 555 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: all about information, and he could have outed his wife 556 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: and they could have put an end to her shenanigans, 557 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: but they continued, largely thanks to henri Um. So within 558 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: a year Germany was done. Three seventy five of the 559 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: sixty nine operatives of the s OE in the French 560 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: area survived the war. There were thirty nine women operatives, 561 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: twelve of which were killed by the Germans and three 562 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: who returned after having been i is and and tortured, 563 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: most likely for quite some time at Ravens Brook, the 564 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: concentration camp. All in all, we had six hundred thousand 565 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: French UH citizens who were killed during World War two 566 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: and two were killed in prisons and those Hellish concentration camps. 567 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: And the number would have been much higher were it 568 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: not for Nancy Wake. This is not hyperbole. She saved 569 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: thousands of lives. She was awarded many accolades after the war. 570 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: The George Medal from the United Kingdom, that's the second 571 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: highest civilian honor that Britain will give you, the Medal 572 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: of Freedom from the us UH, the Legion of Honor, 573 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: the highest military honor from France, along with several other 574 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: multiple other honors and awards from various European nations. As 575 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and this was an interesting detail 576 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: to me, he received so many medals for her actions 577 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: during wartime that she would later say she lived out 578 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: her old Age on the proceeds from their sale, and 579 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: to me, that's kind of um, that's kind of sad, 580 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: the idea that someone could do so much, could save 581 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: so many lives and then has to sell the awards 582 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: society gave her. Unfortunately, that's the story of a lot 583 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: of of individuals who served their country and come back 584 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: home only to realize that like they're sort of conditioned 585 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: for a situation that no longer exists, and that they 586 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: maybe aren't suited mentally, psychologically, um, for other types of jobs, 587 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: for sort of re acclimating to civilian life. And while 588 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily the case for Wake, I mean it 589 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of was. She refers to this experience like this 590 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: in the New York Times article, Uh, it's dreadful because 591 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: you've been so busy and then it all just fizzles out. 592 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: Actually told that to an Australian newspaper and it was 593 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: quoted in the New York Times article that you reference. 594 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: She wrote an autobiography called The White Mouse that was 595 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: published in UM. And she moved. She remarried, actually, and 596 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: she moved to Port Macquarie in Australia, two two miles 597 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: north of Sydney, m and she did remarry to a 598 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: former POW and English fighter pilot with an awesome name, 599 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: John Forward. That sounds like I like that little Figertip 600 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: Matt's John Forward. Yeah, it's almost like another Toast of 601 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: London type name. Yeah, it really is. So guys, I've 602 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: been rewatching BoJack Horseman and it's like, you know, my 603 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: fourth rewatch of it. And what I've picked up at 604 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: this time is how many times like they have a 605 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: little jingle for characters who enter, like recurring characters, and 606 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: I just envisioned John Ford would come into the room. 607 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: He's like John Ford, Yes, I like it's one of 608 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: those uh, you know, we've gone back forth about nominative 609 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: determinism before, but names like that that have a direction, 610 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: or names that have a verb in them are classic 611 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: fighter pilot CEO material. Shout out to my alter ego, 612 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: Max Powers Astronaut with a secret thank you, thank you, 613 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: thank you, Max Williams, superproducer. We know that she survived 614 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: a time and a profession that many people don't a 615 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: lot of people who were working in resistance stuff like 616 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: this in insurgencies, they are not going to have very 617 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: high odds of living out their life in peaceful old age. 618 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: But against the odds, once again, the White Mouse does 619 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: exactly that. As as we described, she moves to England 620 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one and there she lives pretty 621 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: much rent free at the Stafford Hotel in St James Place, 622 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: and according to reports, she spends most of her retirement 623 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: at the hotel bar with a Gen and tonic. And 624 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: then she moves to a retirement home for you know, 625 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: for retired veterans servicemen and women in two thousand three, 626 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: and she still shows up to the bar because they 627 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: make a mean gen and tonic. I guess it's also 628 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: very toast of London thing. I would have loved to 629 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: have had a drink with Nancy wake uh and just 630 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: how to hear some of these stories and it's all 631 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: very recent. It wasn't until two thousand eleven that she 632 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: passed away um in that nursing home from a chest infection. 633 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: And I believe after she passed it kind of came 634 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: to light that the royal family was footing some of 635 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: the bills for her for her lifestyle. Not that it 636 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: was like extravagant or anything, just paying for bar tabs, 637 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: I guess, and you know, whatever that's pretty that's pretty posh. Man. 638 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: If the royal families pick him up your bar tab, 639 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: you must have done something right or drastically evil. Right. 640 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that might be a different episode. So this 641 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: is a story of a real life hero and it 642 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: shows us, as we established earlier, how close the past 643 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: actually is. I'm not going to bring out that Faulkner 644 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: quote again, but he was absolutely right. Instead, maybe we 645 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: end on a quote from the first character we met 646 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: in today's episode, Our pal on read hard. He survived 647 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: the war and he loved talking about Nancy Wake. Here's 648 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: this last line. She's the most feminine woman I know 649 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: until the fighting starts. Then she's like five minute. I 650 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: think he had a crush on her, clearly. I think 651 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: most people that she met probably had a crush on her, absolutely, 652 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: and I think she probably damn well knew it and 653 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: used it to her to her benefit. Um, Nancy Wake, 654 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: what a character. The white mouse. I want to read 655 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: more about this, this fascinating and being um and again 656 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: would have loved to share a Gin and Tonic with her. Yeah, 657 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: but I think that's a great place to to to 658 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: put a put a pin in this story. There is 659 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: a documentary about her that was made by Australian Television 660 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: in nineteen seven, but I don't have a title on that. Um. 661 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: I think there was. There was a documentary Nancy Wake 662 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: code named The White Mouse, and then there was a 663 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: TV mini series, right I. I think it was one 664 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: of those things where was based on a true story 665 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: or inspired by a true story, and they added a 666 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: lot of historical liberties, sort of like what we were 667 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: talking about with Operation Mincemeat, where they kind of shoehorned 668 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: to love story. And yeah, so the TV mini series 669 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: was just called Nancy Wake. It ran in Uh it 670 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: sounds to me like Henri and Nancy. I think they 671 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: were just star crossed lovers who ever quite got their 672 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: stars to cross. No, we went a little bit long 673 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: on today's episode, but it felt like one story to 674 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: us and we didn't want to split it up. We 675 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 1: hope that you have enjoyed the tale of Nancy Wake 676 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: as much as we have, and we can't wait to 677 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: hear from you about other heroes from the past too. 678 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: Maybe haven't quite gotten there do All you have to 679 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: do is reach out to us on ridiculous Historians and hey, 680 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: while you're on the internet, you can find us not 681 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: just as a show, but as individuals. This is true. 682 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: You can find me exclusively on Instagram where I am 683 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: at how Now Noel Brown, Mr Boland about yourself. Well, 684 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: you can get some spoilers for ridiculous history and for 685 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: stuff they want you to know various other projects I 686 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: work on by going to Instagram where I am as 687 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: I like to say, in a burst of creativity at 688 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: ben Bowland bow l i N. If you don't sip 689 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: the Instagram social media, you can find me on Twitter 690 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: as well, where at ben Bulan hs W. Like everybody 691 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: else on Twitter, I'm only there because I know Max 692 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: Williams is there too. I mean, that's the only reason 693 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: to be on Twitter at this point. I've heard I 694 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: think Elon Musk said that yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 695 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: he's backing out trying to buy it. Uh. But if 696 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: you want to find me on Twitter, you can find 697 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: me at at l Underscore Max Williams. That's where you 698 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: find all my stuff. And of course thank you to 699 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: our super producer, Max Williams. Thank you to our composer 700 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: is so nuts. Their show has a composer. It's our 701 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: good friend Max's brother, Alex Williams. Keep it in the family. 702 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: See you next time, folks. For more podcasts from my 703 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 704 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.