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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss us the reasons we now

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Speaker 3: know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and

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Speaker 3: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. You've

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Speaker 3: heard of signs from your loved ones in the afterlife.

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Speaker 3: My guest today has had a lot of them. Her

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Speaker 3: name is Karen McClain, and believe it or not, this

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Speaker 3: is her very first interview. She was nervous. I think

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Speaker 3: she did a great job. She's a loyal listener of

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Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife, has a heartbreaking story to tell,

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Speaker 3: but is the author of a brand new book called

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Speaker 3: Bright Days Do Come, a journey of loss, light and

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Speaker 3: Signs from Beyond. Here's Karen.

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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm from Utah and my story began thirty three

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Speaker 1: years ago. I was in a car accident with my

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Speaker 1: whole family. We were traveling and my little sister, she

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Speaker 1: had a fresh license. My mom was in the passenger

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Speaker 1: old sister, and the caboose, Brian, he was nine. As

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Speaker 1: we drove along the freeway, my sister, who was driving,

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Speaker 1: he thought she won't have her legs, but he saved

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Speaker 1: Brian was killed. It's been a long, rough journey, and

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Speaker 1: you think those things happened to other people, not to me.

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Speaker 1: Ever since then, everyone in my family we won't go

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Speaker 1: I called it emotional weather. It reads life is like

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Speaker 1: the weather. It changes from day to day like the rain.

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Speaker 1: Many tears fall like the wind. Things flow in and

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Speaker 1: to respect, like the sun. Right days did come. Little

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we're here with listener Karen McClain, author of the

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Speaker 3: This is such good news, and this goes over the

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Sure? One of them happened to my mom,

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Speaker 1: three four four. It was their signature time, their ultimate number,

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Speaker 1: with Somewhere over the Rainbow being played in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night. My dad couldn't believe it, and he knew.

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Speaker 1: He woke up in the morning and he called me

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Speaker 1: and told me what had happened. We both knew that

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Speaker 1: was Terry's way of saying thank you for putting together

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Speaker 1: that video for me.

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Speaker 3: It's time for the break and when we get back

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Speaker 3: we'll ask Karen what we need to do to get

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Speaker 3: some signs for ourselves. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal

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Speaker 3: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain and we've got guests Karen McLain with us,

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Speaker 3: sharing signs from both her brother Brian and her dad's

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Speaker 3: beloved partner Terry. Let's talk about asking for signs, because

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Speaker 3: I don't think we can be demanding on our loved ones,

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Speaker 3: nor do I think that they possess all the information

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Speaker 3: in the universe to make things happen. Could you talk

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Speaker 3: about any advice about asking for a sign? Does it

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Speaker 3: have to be specific? How specific any advice?

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Speaker 1: Being aware is very important and being open to the

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Speaker 1: possibility that it can happen. So when you place an

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Speaker 1: order online, you expect to get what you ordered, So

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Speaker 1: when you ask, try and expect that you're going to

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Speaker 1: get it back. I feel like when we ask, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like sending a text to our loved one. I

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Speaker 1: think asking is the key to getting signs because it

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Speaker 1: allows our loved ones to say, Okay, they're aware. I'm

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Speaker 1: not just going to give them a random sign and

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Speaker 1: hope that they notice it or put two and two

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Speaker 1: together that it was for me. They're asking, so it

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Speaker 1: totally sets the stage. So asking really is the key,

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Speaker 1: and you can be specific. I think being specific really

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Speaker 1: helps because then you know exactly what to be aware for,

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Speaker 1: and for example, think about what your loved one liked,

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Speaker 1: or numbers that relate to them. For example, one day,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, okay, I want to ask Brian first

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Speaker 1: sign and I never asked him for this, and I thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: what are some things Brian? He loved teenage mutant ninja turtles,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't seen a teenage mutant ninja turtle in years,

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Speaker 1: probably since the accident. So I thought, okay, Brian, give

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Speaker 1: me a teenage mutant ninja turtle within the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days. I always give a timeline like an expectation,

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Speaker 1: so I said, in next couple of days, give me

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Speaker 1: a teenage mutant ninja turtle. Next night, I came home

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Speaker 1: from a concert my husband and I had been to.

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Speaker 1: I was getting we're ready for bed, and the TV

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Speaker 1: was on. My husband had some show with motorcycles and

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Speaker 1: he had left the room, and I thought, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear this. I'm trying to wind down. It

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Speaker 1: was on Netflix, and I just put it onto the

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Speaker 1: main menu. I was enjoying the quiet stillness. The screen

484
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Speaker 1: was just the Netflix menu with nothing playing. I started

485
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Speaker 1: getting ready for bed, washing my face. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I hear teenage Ninja Turtles teenage Ninja Turtles repeating, and

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Speaker 1: I leaned over and looked at the TV and there

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Speaker 1: was this show that was all about toys and their history,

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Speaker 1: and that episode happened to be all about the history

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Speaker 1: of teenage ninja turtles and how they were created. It

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Speaker 1: came on all by itself the next day after I

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Speaker 1: had asked him for that sign. So to me, that

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Speaker 1: was a great example of asking for exactly what I

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Speaker 1: wanted and getting it. My kids had witnessed some of

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Speaker 1: these signs happening, but I wanted my daughter to know

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Speaker 1: that she could ask for signs herself, and so one

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Speaker 1: day I said, hey, you could ask your uncle Brian.

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Speaker 1: You could ask him for signs, because I wanted them

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Speaker 1: to know how it works and how they can connect

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Speaker 1: to their uncle. And I said, what do you think

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Speaker 1: you would want to ask him for? Because signs aren't

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Speaker 1: always literal, Like you might ask for a bird and

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Speaker 1: you might see a billboard with that bird on it,

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Speaker 1: or see it on the TV. There's so many different

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Speaker 1: ways other than actual seeing a bird in real life.

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Speaker 1: So I said, we could ask for a bird. You

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Speaker 1: could even ask for a frog. You could ask for

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Speaker 1: a number. And I like asking for numbers, take the

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Speaker 1: year they were born or their birth month, and ask

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Speaker 1: them for that specific number. So I asked my daughter

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Speaker 1: and she said, I want to ask for Finn the cat.

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Speaker 1: And I said, who is Finn the cat? And she said, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's this orange and white tabby that came into our

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Speaker 1: yard about a year ago. And I said, okay, so

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Speaker 1: it was summertime. And I'm like, so last summer, this

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Speaker 1: orange and white cat came into her yard named Finn,

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Speaker 1: and you want to ask Brian for Finn. Okay, how

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Speaker 1: did you know his name was Ben? And she said

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Speaker 1: was tag? It said Finn. And I'm like, okay, that

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Speaker 1: might be a little too specific, that might be hard.

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Speaker 1: So why don't we just ask for an orange and

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Speaker 1: white cat and see what happens? And she said okay.

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Speaker 1: An hour later, I go out into the backyard to

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Speaker 1: throw our garbage away. I hear a meal on our

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Speaker 1: back steps. I look over and it's an orange and

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Speaker 1: white cat. I race inside and tell my daughter Brian

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Speaker 1: gave us our sign, come outside, come outside. She came

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Speaker 1: running outside. We ran out there and we looked at

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Speaker 1: this tag and it was Fin. And immediately my daughter said, Mom,

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Speaker 1: you told me to no get specific. But see Ryan

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Speaker 1: did it, and I sensed, and I'll show you you

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Speaker 1: can get specific. My brother was totally telling't me that

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Speaker 1: we can be specific. I was just.

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Speaker 3: Flown away and sold was my daughter and blown away too.

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Speaker 3: And that was a year after she had seen Finn

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Speaker 3: the cat the first time. I want to ask about

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Speaker 3: your beliefs because this is a demonstration that your brother

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Speaker 3: can impact an animal. But do you think, huh we

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Speaker 3: do that with birds and butterflies and dragonflies.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I totally do. Yeah. My sister Erica, she asked

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Speaker 1: Brian for a hummingbird. She was inside. She went outside

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Speaker 1: to see what her husband was doing. Right after she

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Speaker 1: had asked. Right when she stepped out the door, he said, honey,

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Speaker 1: what a hummingbird is on your roses? And it was

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Speaker 1: sitting still on her roses. And she had never seen

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Speaker 1: a hummingbird on her roses or sit still for that matter.

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Speaker 1: That's another cool example. And with numbers, I've asked my

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Speaker 1: brother for eighty two's a lot because he was born

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two. I had felt nudged to write

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Speaker 1: a book. I never planned on it, but I felt

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Speaker 1: this nudging and I didn't know how to do it

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. I kept feeling this nudging, and

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Speaker 1: I finally I said, Okay, if I'm supposed to do this, Brian,

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Speaker 1: can you give me an eighty two in the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days. He had given me eighty twos before,

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Speaker 1: so I was asking for again as guidance to write

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Speaker 1: my story. That very night, I logged on to pay

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Speaker 1: my credit card bill and his answer was staring back

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Speaker 1: at me as a balance of eighty two eighty two,

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Speaker 1: and I knew that meant hell, yes, sister, you need

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Speaker 1: to write your book. I was blown away, and from

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Speaker 1: there on I knew that my brother would be by

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Speaker 1: my side, he would guide me in writing. Another random day,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to feel close to Brian, and I said, Brian,

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Speaker 1: give me an eighty two within the next week. The

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Speaker 1: next week, I went to the store, bought my groceries.

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Speaker 1: My total came to eighty two dollars. Even to have

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Speaker 1: it be eighty two flat with everything I'd purchased, it

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Speaker 1: was just another incredible sign that he's right there with me,

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Speaker 1: he's listening, and he's by my side.

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Speaker 3: I'll shout out to Brian's right here with us. I

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Speaker 3: want to ask you about physical signs because in your

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Speaker 3: book there's a story of Gizmo the dog, and also

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Speaker 3: Gwen's experience with her grandma Betty's hug. Can you tell

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Speaker 3: us about those?

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Speaker 1: Yes. So, my dog, giz he was the best dog.

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Speaker 1: We always brought him with us to our grandparents' house

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Speaker 1: whenever we would visit. They would watch him whenever we

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Speaker 1: went out of town. He had passed away, and I

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Speaker 1: went to visit my grandparents one day. They kept their

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Speaker 1: house really cold, and I was wearing shorts, and I

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Speaker 1: sat down at the dining table and we were all

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Speaker 1: this visiting. Suddenly I felt this overwhelming warmth on my lap,

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Speaker 1: right where giz would always sit, just on my thighs.

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Speaker 1: It was so warm, I had to look down. I

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00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: thought something spilled on my legs. Immediately I knew it

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Speaker 1: was Gizmol because he loved hanging out with my grandparents,

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Speaker 1: who loved their house, and I just knew it was him.

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: And then my friend Gwen, she had to testify for

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Speaker 1: a friend in court who was trying to get custody

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Speaker 1: of her kids, and she had prayed to her grandma,

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Speaker 1: who prayed for a sign of birds when they were

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Speaker 1: in court, she could see that her friend was crying,

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Speaker 1: and at that moment, she asked her grandma for another sign,

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Speaker 1: and she said, Grandma, Betty, please help my friend right now.

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Speaker 1: And as she said that, in her mind, her friend

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Speaker 1: turned around and looked at her. When they were leaving

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Speaker 1: the courtroom, they saw an amazing amount of birds on

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Speaker 1: their way home that they normally don't see, and she

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Speaker 1: knew that was a sign from her grandma. But as

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Speaker 1: they were driving, her friend said, I asked all the

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Speaker 1: matriarchs in my family to be there in the courtroom,

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: but there was one presence that was different, and my

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Speaker 1: friend Gwen said, yeah, that was my grandma. I asked

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Speaker 1: my grandma to be there, and she said that was

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Speaker 1: who gave me the hug. My friend Gwen was blown

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Speaker 1: away because right when she asked for her grandma to

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00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: hug her friend was right when her friend turned around.

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00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: So her friend felt that hug and feeling that physical

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00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: touch from a loved one. It was absolutely amazing that

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00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: they can actually touch us. I have another experience where

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00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I was touched by spirit. I was home alone doing

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Speaker 1: the dishes and I was going through a help issue

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Speaker 1: at the time. I suddenly felt a strong path right

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00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: on the top of my head, and at first I

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00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: thought a drop of water and I felt my head.

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00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Now it wasn't wet. I knew because I was going

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: through a help issue, that someone from the other side

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Speaker 1: had done that. I glanced around the room and I

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00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what do you want me to know?

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Speaker 1: Who's here? And I just kind of looked around, and

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00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: eventually I turned around and kept doing the dishes. It

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Speaker 1: was a mystery as to what that was. Later I

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00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: found out that an old boyfriend of mine had died.

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Speaker 1: The minute I found out he had passed, I flashed

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Speaker 1: back to that moment and I knew there was no way,

627
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: no doubt that was him, because he wasn't the nicest guy.

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00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: And he used to tap me on the head exactly

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Speaker 1: like that when I would say the word like the

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00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: way a valley girl uses it, like I went to

631
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: the store, and then like I went to the mall.

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00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: So when I would say that, he would tap me

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00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: on the head, and I knew it was him, and

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what other way he could have let

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Speaker 1: me known it was him. So that was in twenty

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00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: eighteen when that happened. He died in twenty thirteen. That

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00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: was five years after his death. I've gotten signs from

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Brian over the last thirty three years. But I think

639
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: sometimes people think if it's been more than a year

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: or more than a certain amount of time, that our

641
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: loved ones move on and they're not giving us signs anymore.

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: But that's not true. My brother has shown me that,

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: and that ex boyfriend showed me that, and his taps

644
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: were so distinct. I don't know why I didn't think, wait,

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00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: did he die when I felt that he was young

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00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: and healthy, so I figured he was off living his

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Speaker 1: life somewhere, and it turned out that he had committed suicide,

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Speaker 1: so that's why he died early.

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Speaker 3: It's all so tough, tough being human, very tough being human.

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Speaker 3: I have so much compassion for people, and I know

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Speaker 3: you know this because you've been part of my world

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Speaker 3: for a long time listening to me. But when my

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Speaker 3: dad died and I lost the relationships with my siblings,

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Speaker 3: I hit such a dark place and I wasn't considering

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Speaker 3: taking my own life, but I totally got how there

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Speaker 3: is a place that we human beings.

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Speaker 1: Can get to such a dark place that seems like

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Speaker 1: the only way out.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and we're here with author Karen McLain,

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Speaker 3: who wrote the book Right Days Do Come. She was

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Speaker 3: just sharing a tap on her head that was a

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Speaker 3: sign she found out from a boyfriend. She didn't realize

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Speaker 3: he passed. Let's continue.

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Speaker 1: It turned out that he had committed suicide, so that's

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Speaker 1: why he died early. It's all so tough, tough being human,

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Speaker 1: very tough being human. I have so much compassion for people,

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Speaker 1: and I know you know this because you've been part

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Speaker 1: of my world for a long time listening to me.

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Speaker 1: But when my dad died and I lost the relationships

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Speaker 1: with my siblings, I hit such a dark place and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't considering taking my own life, but I totally

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Speaker 1: got how there is a place that we human beings

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Speaker 1: can get to, such a dark place that seems like

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Speaker 1: the only way out.

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Speaker 3: So I know, I know in the afterlife, people are

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Speaker 3: accepted with open arms. There's no punishment, no judgment, no nothing.

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Speaker 3: There's just that love, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like when we're just going along in

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Speaker 1: life and that loved one cross our minds, I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's just us tuning into their presence, that's them

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Speaker 1: showing us there near. I actually have another boyfriend who

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Speaker 1: passed away. He had really bad help but I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that he had passed away, but I had a

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Speaker 1: dream of him. The night he passed. My family and

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Speaker 1: I were on a trip to Dowsnengland, and we went

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Speaker 1: to bed that night the next morning ready for the parks,

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Speaker 1: but I couldn't shake the dream I had just pad.

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Speaker 1: I had a dream that I was standing in vast whiteness.

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Speaker 1: There was no ceiling, no walls, no floor. It was

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Speaker 1: just like I was floating in the middle of pure whiteness.

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Speaker 1: My ex boyfriend was to my right and he was

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Speaker 1: with a woman with dark hair, and I sensed that

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Speaker 1: they were getting ready to leave. I asked, how do

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Speaker 1: you to know each other? And the woman said, oh,

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Speaker 1: from here and from there playfully, and I was like okay.

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Speaker 1: And then my son was next to me. In this

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Speaker 1: dream I call a dream, but it's really a visitation.

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Speaker 1: As I was patting my son on his shoulder. My

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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend said, you're a good mom, which was very

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Speaker 1: pertinent because he was adamant about not having children, and

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Speaker 1: when we were dating, I didn't want children either, but

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Speaker 1: he was recognizing that I was a mom, so I

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Speaker 1: found that really important to the experience. When I woke up,

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Speaker 1: I was just puzzled as to why I had had

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Speaker 1: this dream because we had broken up seventeen years earlier,

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Speaker 1: I'm married, I have my kids. Now, why would I

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Speaker 1: have a dream about an ex boyfriend and why would

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Speaker 1: it be in the white place like this? And normally

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Speaker 1: I probably would have thought did he die? But we

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Speaker 1: were in Disneyland. I was out of my element, so

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Speaker 1: we just spent along with the day. But I felt

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Speaker 1: this strong presence of him all day, and at the

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Speaker 1: time I just thought it was just because I had

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Speaker 1: a dream of him, that I had this feeling of

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Speaker 1: him because of the dream. But later that night, as

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Speaker 1: I was leaving Disneyland, my watch buzzed and it was

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Speaker 1: a mutual friend who said, I don't know if you've heard,

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Speaker 1: but he passed the way last night. I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: And when a loved one passes right around the time

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Speaker 1: of their death, that's actually called a shared death experience.

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Speaker 1: So then I knew that's what had happened. And then

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Speaker 1: years later, I took my son to get a haircut

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Speaker 1: at the barber shop. I was waiting for my son

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Speaker 1: and a song came on the radio in the salon.

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Speaker 1: It was his favorite musician. It was iggy pop. The

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Speaker 1: song was like, not really a family friendly song, so

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow, that's playing in here, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, this really makes me think of him. But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a special day or anything, and every time

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Speaker 1: I hear a song, I don't want to think, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a sign. So I just thought, that really reminds

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Speaker 1: me of him. But I wouldn't necessarily called the sign

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Speaker 1: until the next barber came up and yelled out my

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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend's name for their next client, and I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a sign. That's a sign.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible. So it's gonna be sure to ask you

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Speaker 3: about your book and what's in it. So it's called

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Speaker 3: Bright Days Do Come, a Journey of Lost light and

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Speaker 3: Signs from beyond, so I know you tell your story.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of signs, even more signs, but to talk

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Speaker 3: us through the book, what we can find in it.

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Speaker 3: And then let's spend a few minutes just talking about

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Speaker 3: some of your beliefs before we wrap up the episode.

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Speaker 1: Okay. In my book, I talk about the journey of

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Speaker 1: the accident. I talk about how I dealt with grief

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Speaker 1: to not my pain. I did drink alcohol for a while.

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Speaker 1: Eventually I learned to love myself and to feel all

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Speaker 1: of my feelings. I think feeling all of your feelings

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Speaker 1: is what really helps with grief, to not shut it down.

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Speaker 1: My mom describes grief as tears filling up in a cup,

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Speaker 1: and when the cup gets full, it overflows, and you

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Speaker 1: want to let that overflow. You don't want to drink

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Speaker 1: alcohol to numb it or just push it down. You

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Speaker 1: want to let those tears flow, but you also don't

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Speaker 1: want to let them overrun your life. Our loved ones

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Speaker 1: want to see us happy and living our lives. They

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Speaker 1: don't want us just wallowing in grief. So I touch

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Speaker 1: on grief. I describe the accident, and I share all

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Speaker 1: these incredible signs and what I've come to learn. I've

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Speaker 1: really learned that life is so precious. It can change

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Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. So it's really important

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Speaker 1: to cherish every moment and everything we do. Treat it

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Speaker 1: as if it's the last time we're doing it, because

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Speaker 1: one day it will be that. We don't always know

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Speaker 1: that it's the last time while we're experiencing it. You

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Speaker 1: know that last time I rode with my brother in

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Speaker 1: the car, I didn't know that was the last time

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Speaker 1: we were going to laugh together or look at magazines together.

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Speaker 1: And I talk about that and that how every situation

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Speaker 1: in life, even the tragedies, no matter what we go

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Speaker 1: through in life, if you look hard enough, you can

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Speaker 1: find the gifts that are hidden in those tragedies. There's

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Speaker 1: always something positive you can take from it, even if

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Speaker 1: it's just a lesson learned. I've learned too not to

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Speaker 1: regret things, because everything that we do is experience, and

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Speaker 1: the only things I've come to find that we should

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Speaker 1: regret are the things that we didn't do. I like

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Speaker 1: to wake up each morning and think what would I

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Speaker 1: regret if I didn't do today, and then try to

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Speaker 1: go out and do those things.

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Speaker 3: That's really nice. Yeah, you mentioned too, something I've never

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Speaker 3: heard of before, law of conservation of energy.

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Speaker 1: What the heck is that? Yeah? So it's a law

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Speaker 1: that says nothing can be created nor destroyed. Therefore, I

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Speaker 1: look at our existence as the infinity symbol. There's not

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Speaker 1: a point where it began or where it ends. Because

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Speaker 1: I knew that I existed before I was born, because

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Speaker 1: I saw my mom and I always exist after we left.

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Speaker 1: Because I've had experiences with my brother, that law of

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Speaker 1: conservation of energy totally makes sense to me that we

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Speaker 1: don't die. I pitt your life as like an Earth school.

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Speaker 1: It's like a boarding school. When the bell rings for us,

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Speaker 1: we graduate and we're all going to go there. And

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Speaker 1: one thing that helps me is to remember that death

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Speaker 1: isn't an anomaly. It happens to all of us. And

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Speaker 1: I know it's shocking when someone dies, but it's going

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Speaker 1: to happen to us all, and we're all going to

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00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: still exist. We're all going to still be together, and

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Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay. We're just here temporarily.

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Speaker 1: Those that have gone before us just went sooner than

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Speaker 1: we did, but we'll be joining them. This is my book.

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Speaker 1: It's called Bright Days Do Come. It's very symbolic to me.

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Speaker 1: The house I grew up in with my family, we

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Speaker 1: had sycamore trees in our front yard, and interestingly the

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Speaker 1: year of the accident. Our accident happened in the fall,

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Speaker 1: so all the leaves on it were yellow and they

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00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: didn't fall off the tree that year. It's like they

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Speaker 1: were waiting for my brother to come play underneath the

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00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: trees badly. He never did, but the leaf kind of

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Speaker 1: represents that, and the heart represents the hearts that my

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00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: sister found from Terry and the sand. It really is

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Speaker 1: a symbolic cover for me that really resonates. It's my

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Speaker 1: whole story. Thank you so much, right and I love it.

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Speaker 3: I know people listening right now can't see it, but

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Speaker 3: you can just go to Amazon and type in bright

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Speaker 3: Days do come or Karen McClain in our last moments

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Speaker 3: together here? Is there anything I should have asked you

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Speaker 3: that I didn't? But is there any last words that

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Speaker 3: you have or anything else you want to cover before

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Speaker 3: we go on our separate ways.

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Speaker 1: I would just say that I would like people just

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Speaker 1: to remember that your loved ones are close, they hear you.

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Speaker 1: Remember to be open. Being open and being aware and

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Speaker 1: asking are the main us to getting signs from your

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Speaker 1: loved ones. And to just have gratitude the things that

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Speaker 1: happened to us look for the blessings and shift your

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00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: perspective too. For years, I thought, oh, I only had

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Speaker 1: my brother for nine years, and now I look at

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Speaker 1: it and say, I got to have my brother for

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Speaker 1: nine years. So shifting your perspective, looking at the good

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Speaker 1: times and the full or glass half empty, looking at

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Speaker 1: life and the things that happened to us in that

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Speaker 1: way can really help. And knowing that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of storms throughout our lives, but just remembering that bright

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Speaker 1: days do come. Life's not static. It's not the same.

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Speaker 1: The positive times come and the dark times come, but

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Speaker 1: they'll always be a bright day to come. That's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Karen, thank you so much for being our guest today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I'm so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be here. Thank you, Sam, I'm you're my favorite.

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Speaker 3: I think you'll agree that Karen did a very good

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Speaker 3: job on her first interview. You can find out more

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Speaker 3: about Karen on her website, author karenmcclain dot com, and

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Speaker 3: Karen is spelt kar I n Just recently, I was

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Speaker 3: thinking how intelligent the universe is, how animals have instinct,

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Speaker 3: how our bodies know how to heal on their own.

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Speaker 3: Add to that the stories we hear from near death

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Speaker 3: experiences that our consciousness is outside of our body, so

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Speaker 3: we don't experience the pain of death. Also, add to

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Speaker 3: that the deathbed visitations, the thousands of people documented that

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Speaker 3: see loved ones or pets by their side. So it's

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Speaker 3: an intelligent universe. Why wouldn't we believe in the afterlife.

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Speaker 3: All we are is vibrating invisible energy living in an

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Speaker 3: ever expanding universe. So with that, our time.

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Speaker 1: For today is over.

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Speaker 3: Please remember to come visit me Atweedo'tdie dot com. Enter

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