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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt we are two weeks from about

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Speaker 2: it the NFL Draft of twenty twenty five NFL drafts.

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Speaker 2: Two more weeks of draft talk. If you're burned out

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Speaker 2: in draft talk, we are.

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Speaker 3: A little were a little bit too. But yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's I feel like I got all these names buzzing

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Speaker 2: around in my head. Yeah, and you know, you know

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Speaker 2: you can't there's nobody knows everybody and of course not,

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Speaker 2: of course not. But somebody asked me about the I

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Speaker 2: think it's from Middlebury College, some Division III offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, this is like the second time

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Speaker 2: on the on the mess you bored the guy asked

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Speaker 2: me about h I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: watch some tape.

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Speaker 3: I've read good things about that dude, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Ye yeah, And he's like, what do you think? And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, he's better than everybody that Middlebury plays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Division III guys he was playing against.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he said, well, there's some comps out

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Speaker 2: there to Zach Fraser. I'm like, well, Zach Fraser is

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Speaker 2: a second round draft pick. Yeah, that's this guy's not

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Speaker 2: going to be a second round draft pick.

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Speaker 3: No. Right, we've referenced the Beast a bunch and it's

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Speaker 3: not the only one though. There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: really good guides coming out right now and you can

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Speaker 3: just kind of dig deeper. It's one stop shopping to

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Speaker 3: know some of these names that are lower that you

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Speaker 3: didn't weren't aware of or whatever too. But oh, in all,

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Speaker 3: I mean we've said this a lot. There's not much

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Speaker 3: news these two weeks.

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Speaker 2: No, ye.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe there's a trade.

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Speaker 2: Teams are all hunkered down and you know, they're doing

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Speaker 2: their their thirty visits and there you get the retests

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Speaker 2: and things of that nature. But other than that, right,

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Speaker 2: not a lot of news going on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're down there more than me. But I

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Speaker 3: was at the Steelers facility Tuesday and just talked to

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Speaker 3: one of their scouts briefly. They're like, well, we did

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Speaker 3: receivers today, We're doing safeties tomorrow. Like it's an all day,

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Speaker 3: you know, one point at least at least yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Todd mcshae is a guy who digs into the draft

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Speaker 2: deeply and he does the McShay report. Now, he has

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Speaker 2: his latest mock draft here two weeks out and he

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Speaker 2: has Cam Woard going number one. Ye, Travis Hunter going

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Speaker 2: two to Cleveland. And from what I understand in Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: if they do, if they're taking Travis Hunter, they're playing

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Speaker 2: him primarily at wide receiver. I think the cornerback stuff

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Speaker 2: is going to be secondary, which no, no pun intended.

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Speaker 3: Would you take Hunter or Carter if you're the GM

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Speaker 3: of the Browns. I think Hunter is a better player,

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Speaker 3: but Carter's.

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Speaker 2: Carter makes me a better team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just don't know if I could pass on Hunter.

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Speaker 3: I think he's that special. But I hear you, I am,

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Speaker 3: but like I always urge people, like, if you're a

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Speaker 3: Steeler fan, who do you want them to take? I

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Speaker 3: don't want to block cart and Garrett. I know that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess Hunter could be good, not great,

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Speaker 3: at both spots, but I think i'd take Hunter.

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Speaker 2: He is the Giants in taking Abdull Carter at.

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Speaker 3: Three, I would actually field offers if I were.

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Speaker 2: There, I would too, And I saw it get a

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Speaker 2: it was on Pro Football Focus. Their guy had the

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Speaker 3: I was there thinking what teams would do it? Niners?

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Speaker 3: Niners have a ton of compics next year. Yeah, Panthers

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Speaker 3: and they're always mocked at edge. Could Atlanta give you

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Speaker 3: their existence and make the Julio Jones trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would listen.

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Speaker 3: If I was the Giants, I'd rather have Membo and well.

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Speaker 2: Then I if I trade back now, I have no

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Speaker 3: And then I take the quarterback there or I have

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Speaker 3: more firepower to get it next year. Take another edge

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Speaker 2: I get it. I mean he's the best player, I

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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Take Will Campbell. That's getting that's getting pretty shocked. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm left right, and I know Morgan mos they

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Speaker 3: should free safety versus strong siary. They have nobody at

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Speaker 2: Uh. At five, Jacksonville takes Jalen Walker, edge rusher out

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Speaker 3: I've seen that a few places. But that's another thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like that's when the positions are good. At Yeah,

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Speaker 2: H At six, the Raiders take Ashton Genty running back

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Speaker 3: That would be really hard for me not to take, Like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure I can take Will Johnson or you know.

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Speaker 2: At seven, the Jets take Armand Membo offensive tackle from

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Speaker 3: Like, that's a nice match next to Derek Brown. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a little older and now you get the difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: At nine, the Saints take Jackson Dart quarterback from Omas.

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Speaker 2: He goes ahead of Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: I would take Sanders ahead of them. I would too, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean Todd's pretty dialed in. I mean I could

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Speaker 3: see teams having similar grades. But okay.

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Speaker 2: At ten, the Bears take Tyler Warren tight end from

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Speaker 3: I would strongly consider that too. I've never been a

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Speaker 3: huge Comet fan. Just a pass Is this a good player? Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a good player for a young quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think edge is also in play for them too.

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Speaker 2: At eleven, the forty nine Ers take Will Johnson, the

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Speaker 3: They have a lot of needs.

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Speaker 2: At twelve, the Cowboys take Tet McMillan, wide receiver from Arizona.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather pair with Lamb, but both makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Lamb he can do everything, you know,

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Speaker 2: If you have Patet McMillan, and that will work out perfectly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they really don't have anything pass catcher wise,

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Speaker 2: At thirteen, the Dolphins take Shamar Stewart edge rusher from Texas.

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Speaker 3: A and M. There's one I don't agree with Todd.

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Speaker 3: I mean they took Choup Robinson the first round last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, they get other needs they get bump

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Speaker 3: They always get the tight end, which is kind of boring,

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Speaker 2: At fifteen, he has the Cleveland Browns trading up. Ooh,

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Speaker 2: the brown Sim picks thirty three, sixty seven and a

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Speaker 3: Think i'd ask for war. That's a pretty far away

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Speaker 2: It's a long way to jump, and they'll still get

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Speaker 2: an edge guys. Yeah, but knowing that they're coming up

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Speaker 3: I mean, imagine the Browns fan base if you could

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Speaker 3: like when Houston went Stroudwell Anderson, you know, like wow, okay.

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Speaker 2: At sixteen, the Arizona Cardinals take Matthew Golden wide receive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just payment Bride.

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Speaker 2: At seventeen, the Bengals take Mike Green Edge rusher from Marshall.

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Speaker 2: If there's if there's a school, if there's a if

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Speaker 2: there's a franchise that won't care about any offense field stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean unless it's crazy worse than we think, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've been Marshall's right down the river from Cincinnati, so.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he can get passed there now

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Speaker 3: I think about it. That's like too good a fit.

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Speaker 3: He's a really good player. He is a good player too.

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Speaker 2: At eighteen, the Seahawks take offensive tackle Calvin Banks from Texas.

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Speaker 3: I assume they'd bump them the guard in that instance. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But he puts people on that he puts the quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: on the ground. At twenty, Denver takes Omari and Hampton,

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Speaker 3: That was the one landing spot where you know in

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Speaker 3: the bold prediction that could really stumble you. But I

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Speaker 3: think i'd take Ted McMillan over him if i'm them,

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Speaker 3: And then that's what I mean, that's that's for your

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Speaker 3: the receivers to be there. Okay, Todd, I only watched,

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Speaker 3: I mean only scroll to see the Steeler one, and

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Speaker 3: I don't like the pick, but I kind of read

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Speaker 3: the write up. It's not it makes a little more sense.

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Speaker 2: At twenty one, he takes for the Steelers. Safety Nick

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people ask me about him. I

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Speaker 3: just don't understand why they even have much interest, is

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Speaker 3: what he says.

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Speaker 2: I'm convinced that Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler by

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Speaker 2: the time the Commissioner opens a twenty twenty five draft

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Speaker 2: in Green Bay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But if should or.

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Speaker 2: Sanders were to slide here, he could be in play

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Speaker 2: as a pick for the future. With Sanders and Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart off the board, I don't see the Steelers taking

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Speaker 2: And that makes sense in terms of need. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But don't be surprised if Muary is to pick in

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Speaker 3: And I didn't mind the write up, but I still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you're worried the Rams are gonna take him.

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Speaker 3: Man. That's the only playoff team I could see being

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Speaker 2: At twenty five, the Houston Texans and take Gray's Abel,

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Speaker 3: It helps somewhere, Yeah, not a tackle. No.

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Speaker 2: That's a heck of the value.

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Speaker 2: At twenty seven, the Ravens take Derek Harmon.

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Speaker 2: As we always say a lot of times, stealer Ravens

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Speaker 3: Harmon went to Pittsburgh, any he went to Ballimore.

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Speaker 2: At twenty nine, the Commander's stake Malachi Starks a safety

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Speaker 2: At thirty the Bills take Maxwell Hairston cornerback from Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's got a couple of bonus picks. Here

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Speaker 3: I would have thought there'd be an edge that would

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Speaker 3: I don't either, like if it was trade enough to

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Speaker 2: Really once you get past Okay, they took they traded

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Speaker 3: No chance Milroe, Right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think the Rams would be interesting.

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Speaker 3: In the first ron it could be a hurt, a

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Speaker 2: We're traded back with the bronze. They're not taking him.

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Speaker 2: So the only way you do this in Tennessee's next. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It'll be a team like the Steelers, but they have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would you consider that. Let's talk about this when

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt you you threw out there the

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Speaker 2: other day about trading to go get Jaylen Millroe and

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Speaker 2: you say, yea, the potential aggressive and potential taking him

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Speaker 2: Let's say in this scenario, you did take Derek Carmon

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Speaker 2: And then you see this happen with the quarterbacks. And

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Speaker 3: Okay, Day one's done and Milroe's still on the clock. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's at the end of the first round, and you

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Speaker 3: I have to get my dtackle first, no matter what.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the disconnect was you were

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Speaker 2: getting anything else yea.

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00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 3: And really the best way to walk out of this

439
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: with Milroe and a big time d tackle is you

440
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 3: almost have to trade back from twenty one at least somewhere,

441
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: because to get from what's their pick in the third

442
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 3: round eighty three, Okay, to get the eighty three to

443
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 3: thirty three, that's next year's first I mean easily, I mean,

444
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 3: and maybe more. I mean that's the thing is if

445
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 3: he starts slipping through the second round, I'm on the

446
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 3: phone a lot, maybe offering next year second.

447
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: It's essentially what you know, It's essentially it's what the

448
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: Ravens did to go get Lamar Jackson, right.

449
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: Right, right. I don't remember where they came from.

450
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 2: Well, the pick was thirty two, right, Their initial pick

451
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: was at like twenty five.

452
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: Say, I assumed they were in the early twenties of

453
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: round two, So you're looking at the BA only moved

454
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 3: up twenty spots. They didn't move up fifty, so it

455
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 3: was the two nineteen seconds.

456
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 2: NFL Draft was eighteen, right.

457
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, would have the trades in there, ye, what they

458
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 3: gave up to gig Lamar and where they were initially

459
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: drafting at. So because Hurst was like twenty two or something.

460
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: He's like twenty five.

461
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: Maybe that was just his age, maybe he wishes.

462
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: So and they took Hurst. Yeah, twenty five. Now that

463
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: was from Tennessee. Did they move down yeah?

464
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Maybe they there were more picks so, uh.

465
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: So Buffalo got picked sixteen from Baltimore.

466
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: And then it's always hard to find draft trying two

467
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: years later, like what they gave up and all.

468
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 2: That, and then twenty two was Tennessee's pick from Kansas

469
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: City via Buffalo and Baltimore.

470
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what pick they earned where they started

471
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 3: in runs.

472
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: Well, I can so the Ravens in twenty seventeen, I mean.

473
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: We don't even know even know that answer. If we

474
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: just googled the Lamar Jackson trade, they would tell you.

475
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to. So the Ravens that year

476
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: were nine and seven. In twenty seventeen, they were picking

477
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: that was that was probably their somewhere in that mid

478
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: round sixteen sounds about right. Yeah, and they traded back

479
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: and they moved back. Yeah, they moved back to twenty five.

480
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they picked picked some stuff up and then

481
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: they moved up to thirty two from Philadelphia.

482
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just pulled up the trade here. Okay, they

483
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: traded in order to move up. The Ravens sent fifty two,

484
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: one twenty five and next year second for thirty two

485
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: and one thirty two. So one twenty five and thirty

486
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 3: two one thirty two really don't matter, right, So they

487
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: basically went from fifty two to thirty two for a

488
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: future second. Yeah, I'm interested in that. Yeah, I mean

489
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: that I'm not.

490
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: Coming from eighty three, which is why you have to

491
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: if you want to make that move, you got a

492
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: trade back first.

493
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly. There has to be step one of the process.

494
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: Get your d tackle that you can you're happy about.

495
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: Even if it was Tyler Williams, you know. I mean,

496
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: in that situation, if I get a lot of AMMO

497
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: and I move from I don't know the Rams picking

498
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: round two, they don't have one A bad choice.

499
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: I guess the Bill Houston or yeah, somebody like that.

500
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: Somebody. You went pretty far back to get us. Because

501
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 3: you even to get a second, I think you have

502
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 3: to trade with you can't move down three spots from

503
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: twenty one to twenty three.

504
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: I don't think right, You're probably not gonna back too,

505
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: but I would explore all options. Now, yes, you might

506
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: get two threes, in which case you might be able

507
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: to move two threes and next year.

508
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: Second, next year three to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

509
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in that. I mean only and again,

510
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm a scouting staff of one or two the two

511
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: of us, and I read or watch. I don't sit

512
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: down and talk with mister Miller Row or nobody was

513
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: like in first grade. But if I was convinced that

514
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: all things lined up, I'm gonna be aggressive. Yeah, especially

515
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: once DT is in the.

516
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: In the build, and I think that's where something like

517
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: I want. I'm not interested in trading this year's first

518
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: round draft pick or next year's first round draft pick

519
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: to make that move, but if I can make it

520
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: happen by moving around a little bit.

521
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: And I find my guy on the cheap, I'm just

522
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: trying to figure out the cheapest way to get Lamar

523
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: Jackson or Josh Allen or Agains they moved back to

524
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: then come back up and get Lamar Jackson. Yeah, worked

525
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 3: out for them, worked out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. By the way,

526
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: I lay more Ammo than the Steelers then than the

527
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: Steelers do. Now.

528
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb was the thirty fifth pick in that draft.

529
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: We were talking about that. Yeah, after Rashad Penny. Seahawks

530
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: took twenty the.

531
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: High weight speed guy too, should have taken the better back. Yeah,

532
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: was there another part a Saquon Year? Yeah, saque went

533
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: number two overall. Don't take a running back in the

534
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: first round. That's not there. I would say it was

535
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: Derek Henry Year. It's not.

536
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was earlier than that. But yeah, Nick Chubb

537
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 2: was the third back taking. Oh no, there's fourth. Sony

538
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: Michelle went in the first round as well.

539
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah his teammates. Yeah at Georgia. Okay, so

540
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: I know Chub had had a knee injury before at

541
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: that point too. Yeah, maybe there was a little bit

542
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: of medical.

543
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think if you if you did it

544
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: that way, I could much more understand it. Like, and

545
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm only giving up maybe one or two of those

546
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: future picks. I'm moving some stuff around this year because

547
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: I moved back and Gain picked some stuff up.

548
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: All right, hypothetical, would you say yes or no to this?

549
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Day two is over? You have Nolan or Harmon or

550
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Grant or whatever, mil Row and that's all you've got,

551
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: And you don't have next year's third or next year second,

552
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: next year's two.

553
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know I got two threes next year,

554
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: and I got a quarterback, and.

555
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: I got a quarterback that might be the answer. And

556
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: and and I'm walking into day three with all my

557
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: picks for a nose and a running back. And you know,

558
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: if I left the first two days with just those

559
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: two guys.

560
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: And I think with I think with a guy like

561
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: mill Row, if I were going to make that move,

562
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: the fifty year option, actually first.

563
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: Year is not very good, you know. Yeah, Yeah, if he's.

564
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: He's gonna red shirt the first year and maybe year two, right,

565
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: he might. I'm gonna find some ways to get him

566
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: on the field. Right, but he may not be my

567
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: starting quarterback in year two, but by year three he

568
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: might be.

569
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: He might be for the fifth year is really valuable

570
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: to him, Yeah, because if he's going to a Pro

571
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: Bowl already, which is a fifth year option thing, right, Well,

572
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: then you're thrilled. Fiftye options a bargain. Yeah, I mean,

573
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: unless it's like a Huntly Pro Bowl appearance, it doesn't belong.

574
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of what five years from him.

575
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 2: That's kind of the what the Packers did with with

576
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Love to a degree.

577
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: They trade.

578
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: They just took him where they were taking him.

579
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: And they didn't pick up the fifth year option. They

580
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: made a weird contract.

581
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: I knew he wasn't gonna play.

582
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: No. Rodgers was winning the MVPs. Yeah, right right, and

583
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: Rogers was five years six years younger than he is now.

584
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: Just just a thought, I mean thought, two big cornerstone pieces,

585
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: a quarterback and a d tackle. The other stuff you

586
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: can fill in. There's not a lot of needs on

587
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: this team. The rest I could fill in with Day

588
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: three stuff. Yeah, another nose running.

589
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 2: Back, I gotta get her. I gotta get a defensive lineman.

590
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: I got That's one of the things that my priority

591
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: number one in this draft.

592
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: Everybody is overlooking in this draft. Everybody. Yeah, outside of Pittsburgh.

593
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: You hear all these other stuff. Nobody in Pittsburgh is

594
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: taking quarterbacks. Who knows squat right, right right? I mean,

595
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: but I gotta I gotta fill that need first, because

596
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: it's a big one.

597
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: It's a big it's the biggest need. Yeah. Yeah, right,

598
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: But franchise quarterbacks available, I'm gonna be creative to get them.

599
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, potential again, if you think if they think he's the.

600
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: Guy, right, if they're like, I'm not sure, he's got

601
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: a lot of work to do as a PAS, I

602
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: would one hundred percent understand it. Yeah, probably right. Then

603
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: if he falls to me, I'll get him, or maybe

604
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: I'll move up a little.

605
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: Well yeah, if he's if he's still available in the

606
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: middle of round two, I'll make.

607
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: It cost me my third this year and next year's third,

608
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: and I got to move up twenty spots. Okay, I

609
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: mean that's worth the risk. If he stinks, I still

610
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: take one in the first round, or even if he's

611
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: just okay, I'm still take one first round. Yeah, but

612
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 3: if you think that not, the stars need to align.

613
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: But if I could just tweak this and give him

614
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: a year and let him hang out and be a

615
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: Steeler and all of a sudden we stole one, I'll

616
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: roll the dice on that. Yeah.

617
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just food for thought.

618
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: It is it is, you know, I wonder if you

619
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: have to explore every avenue of how you can find

620
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: a superhero quarterback. Yeah, and that's one avident.

621
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to do that for shock.

622
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: Less? So because I don't think his ceilings is high,

623
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and I wish he was two years younger,

624
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: But that doesn't crush me, you know it?

625
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: Put it he would love shocked to be I'm gonna

626
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: be twenty six in September. Yeah, if p's you're starting

627
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: quarterback for ten years, that's right.

628
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. If I can land Shuck in some way, shape

629
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: or form. I mean, I'm still sticking by from my

630
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: Steeler quarterback room or board mill Rose my two, I'm

631
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: taking them my head. If if I have to take

632
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: one to twenty one, him or Sanders, I'm taking them.

633
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just because they get the high the

634
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: higher ceiling.

635
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: Because that's a higher ceiling.

636
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: I should say all I care about is high ceilings

637
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: for my next quarterback.

638
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Not saying you take him at twenty one.

639
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm saying it all had I had to choose

640
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: between him and Dart and Sanders, and someone comes out

641
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 3: of bottle and says, you have to pick those one

642
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: of those three and Shock. I'm taking mill row for

643
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: the Steelers, especially if I know Aaron Rodgers is.

644
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Gonna be here, you know, Yeah, I just wanted to

645
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: give you.

646
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. Yeah yeah, yeah, I

647
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: mean I know what i'd pay for Shock. I'd love

648
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: Shuck to be rod Like Shuck comes in, beats out.

649
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: Rudolph is clearly the two behind Rogers, chomping at the

650
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: bit to get in there, like that's the home run

651
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: to me. Like, I mean we're asking a lot, right,

652
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that that's possible. But and

653
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: then you're like, all right, Aaron, great for the thanks

654
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: for the year. We got this twenty seven year old

655
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: that's traded to roll Cool and Rudolph's two. Yeah, I

656
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Speaker 3: can live with that.

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Speaker 2: That's not that much different.

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Speaker 3: That's not crazy from what.

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Speaker 2: Green Bay did.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Rogers didn't start until he was twenty six, twenty seven

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Speaker 2: years yeah, I was like twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Like these are mature dudes that have been around the block,

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Speaker 3: and you know the locker room is going to respect

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Speaker 3: them and things like that. You know. Yeah, yeah, I'd

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Speaker 3: love either one of those guys that end up in

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Speaker 3: La Trobe somehow.

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Speaker 2: But I think the trade back is the key.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because going from three to where you need to

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Speaker 3: get a quarterback is hard. Yeah, you know, And I

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Speaker 3: don't want to trade next year's first. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 3: I'm just not interested. You don't know what's going to

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Speaker 3: happen next year. And I know the other day I

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Speaker 3: brought that up, and my logic was, if they have

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, they may pick later in round one than

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Speaker 3: twenty one. And if you tell me next year's twenty

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Speaker 3: seventh plan, that's the plan. I mean, it could go worse.

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Speaker 3: You may end up eleventh and you're mad you traded

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Speaker 3: your first.

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Speaker 2: I think that's less likely to happen than picking at

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Speaker 2: twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: I agree, I think there's a better chance to pick

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Speaker 3: twenty seven than ten. Yeah. If Rogers is if Rudolph's,

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Speaker 3: then a different story. You know, I need different Rogers

685
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Speaker 3: needs to be in place, it needs to be some clarity.

686
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: Then the d tackle needs to be in place. Then

687
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Speaker 3: we can start thinking mill Row. How now how do

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Speaker 3: I go get that guy? Yeah? Yeah, then that interests me.

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Speaker 2: That's how the dominoes right, right right right?

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Speaker 3: Yea, But those first two aren't that hard to line up. Well,

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Speaker 3: what do I know, Rogers, right, I'm not getting an

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Speaker 3: airon Rodgers head Eye one.

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Speaker 2: give us a thumbs up. You can leave us your

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Speaker 2: remarks on there. And uh, well, earlier this week Matt

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Speaker 2: got beaten up a little bit for the Jaylen Milrose.

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Speaker 3: Bringing on I'm alway yours just just if you have

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Speaker 3: a path to find him your next Josh Allen, I'm interested.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you have a better idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just laid it out there. How the Ravens

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Speaker 2: went and got Lamar Jacks right right right.

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Speaker 3: They saw an opportunity. Yeah, we might not need him yet.

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Speaker 2: They may had Joe Flacco at that point.

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Speaker 3: Who was I mean it was what was a twenty

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Speaker 3: fifth pick. They thought it was more important to take

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Speaker 3: a tight end, you know, that was their their probably

712
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Speaker 3: their plan was let's.

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Speaker 2: Do our quarterbacks the draft and now they would take

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Speaker 2: Lamar twenty five, and they would I wouldn't trade up

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Speaker 2: for Hayden Hurst.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to get in the mind of Ozzie

717
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: Newsome going into that draft. He's probably thinking, Joe's good

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Speaker 3: for another year. Next year is our year, just like

719
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Speaker 3: the Steelers are now. But if there's that one, dude,

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Speaker 3: Lamar's got a lot of ability.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, similar, you know, absolutely, let's get through that break.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 2: And we are back. He is the Matt Williamson, I

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Speaker 2: Am Dale Lolly and Matt headline on ESPN story. I

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Speaker 2: saw it last night and I'm like again with this Jets.

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Speaker 2: Justin Field says he learned from benching by Steelers. The

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Speaker 2: word benching's just the problem here. Yeah, Like it wasn't

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Speaker 2: a benching. He wasn't ever considered the starter. You can't

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Speaker 2: be benched. It's no different than if a coach says, hey,

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Speaker 2: you can't lose your starting job because of injury, and

736
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Speaker 2: you hear that from time to time in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: This is what happened. Russell Wilson was named the Steelers

738
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Speaker 2: starter last year. Justin Fields came in and played because

739
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Speaker 2: he was the backup, And when Russell Wilson was healthy

740
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Speaker 2: to play again, Justin Fields went to the bench and

741
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson went into the starting lineup.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so. Russell Wilson hurts his calf early in training camp, hypothetical,

743
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Speaker 3: that doesn't happen. He goes through camp, He's the week

744
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Speaker 3: one starter hurts his calf the third play of the game.

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Speaker 3: The word benching would never be brought up the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's how it was planned to be. Yeah, no, right,

747
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Speaker 3: that's he was the starter, was injured on opening down.

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Speaker 3: And I'll give Fields credit because here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's glassy about it, right.

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Speaker 2: He said, it was, of course different from me in

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Speaker 2: a space where I wasn't necessarily comfortable instead of being

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Speaker 2: not playing, Okay, you know, I get it, Like he

753
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Speaker 2: was used to playing, he said. Coach Mike Tomlin or

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Speaker 2: coach Tomlin made a decision he thought was best for

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Speaker 2: the team, and I'm never going to go against that.

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: I'm not a selfish guy. What's over So I just

757
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Speaker 2: tried to change my perspective get better each and every

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Speaker 2: day in practice.

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Speaker 3: He's real easy to root for, man. I hope he

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Speaker 3: does right.

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Speaker 2: I wish him nothing but well absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's been some quarterbacks that have gone I'm like, eh, oh, well,

763
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Speaker 3: you know, but that dude, I hope the best for it.

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Speaker 3: I just think he has some flaws on the field.

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Speaker 3: It will be hard to overcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, steely fans should actually hope he does really well

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Speaker 2: in New York.

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Speaker 3: You get something out of because you might get it.

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Speaker 2: You might get that might turn into a third round pick.

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Speaker 3: If you him and Russell Wilson go to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: His third round picks galore, right, und get a third

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Speaker 3: round them out right? Yeah, so we'll see. You think

773
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Speaker 3: they draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I think they could.

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Speaker 3: Who's one that they drafted the Florida State dude, I

776
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: mean late late he red shirted all year and they

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Speaker 3: have Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, they should consider it. It's really

778
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: a one year deal.

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00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: For Justin really is. It's like a one year thirty million.

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Speaker 3: He gets thirty guaranteed, and they could pick up the

781
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: next year for another for twenty but ten of that's garan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't hope I'm the best, but I think that's

783
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: gonna be a tough team to win with.

784
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I mean they got a lot

785
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Speaker 2: of holes.

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00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: There are a lot of holes, tough environments, not a

787
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Speaker 3: great history of winning.

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Speaker 2: Somebody on the message board the other day mentioned that

789
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Speaker 2: why do you want why do you want Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 2: He couldn't win last year in New York with a

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Speaker 2: better roster than the Steelers. I'm like, I don't agree

792
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Speaker 2: that the Jets Jets roster was better than that.

793
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Speaker 3: Of the Steelers. It was a decent roster.

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Speaker 2: I didn't agree with it, Like I remember when they

795
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Speaker 2: played that, when the Steelers played the Jets and they

796
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: came in here and the Jets were favored net game,

797
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: it was like the wrong team's favored. I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't get it. Then I refuse to

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Speaker 2: believe it that that was a better roster. Yes, they

800
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Speaker 2: had some better players the stars, Yeah, but if you

801
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: look at the roster from top to bottom, it was

802
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: not a good a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of B level guys. Yeah, I mean it's Sauce

804
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: and Quinnen and those guys are real good players obviously,

805
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: but they don't have a lot of who are the

806
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: blue guys and the keep keep the whole thing together

807
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: type dudes.

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Speaker 2: And they were old and they were really like across

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00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: the border, like, yeah, the Steelers have some older guys.

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: They also want rootball coached. Either, well, there's this guy fired.

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Speaker 2: Half with this the coach got fired the first of all,

812
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: they fired the offensive coordinator who had been fired in

813
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Denver for being a bad head coach. That was halfway

814
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: to a season, right they bring him in.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a lot need that fired. But yeah,

816
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: that was not a good ordinary situation.

817
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: That was a mess. Like that was that there was

818
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: a bad situation in New York.

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Speaker 3: I will say though, like going into the season, Rogers

820
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Speaker 3: looks like he's going to be healthy. Other than Jets

821
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Speaker 3: could be a potential playoff team. You know, it didn't

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Speaker 3: work that way. They we talked about it even at

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Speaker 3: that point. We didn't play well for the first ten games.

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Speaker 2: When we when we were talking about him, like they're

825
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Speaker 2: counting on a lot of old guys.

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Speaker 3: I think we always said the ifs or but yeah.

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Speaker 2: If this all lines and Tyron Smith played play a

828
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Speaker 2: full season.

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Speaker 3: Right, They were pushing their chips in to win last year. Yeah,

830
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Speaker 3: and it went miserably, which.

831
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Speaker 2: Is why they cut date with a lot of those guys,

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Speaker 2: including Rogers, all those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tyrone Smith's not back right, right, No, I

834
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Speaker 3: get it. So it was an aggressive move. And after

835
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Speaker 3: you traded for Rogers gave up pretty much a couple

836
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Speaker 3: of second round picks.

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Speaker 2: Well, now you're brought in all of his dudes, right,

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00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's restructured. Lazard did it.

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00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: They did, so that is not like was speculating about

841
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Speaker 2: that the other day. I think it was a pro

842
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: football talk. You know, well Aaron Rodgers won, is his

843
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: best friend with him in Pittsburgh. Well, that's not happening.

844
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: What was happening, right, Yeah, And maybe the Steelers said, hey,

845
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: we're not bringing in Lazard. That's not happened.

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Speaker 3: If he got cut out, he could be the third

847
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: guy or in the mix. He's not a bad player,

848
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: but I would not have done what the Jets did

849
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: with him and Cobb and all that kind of stuff too,

850
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: like they're not difference makers. No, No, I mean if

851
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: he wants to bring DeVante Adams with them two months ago,

852
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: or the Metcalf trade or all right, yeah, I think

853
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 3: I'll take those guys, right.

854
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, at this point, well we're two weeks out

855
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: from the draft and we still don't know anything.

856
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: But maybe everyone seems confident something's gonna happen.

857
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: On the draft rolls around, maybe we will know something.

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Speaker 3: They don't do it.

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00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: They don't have their first on field workouts until the

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Speaker 2: week after the draft.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I still wonder we know what's what's Aaron thinking?

862
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: You know, do you know the answer now? Or are

863
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: you still kicking it around again?

864
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: Mike Dolan said he's been in constant contact with him,

865
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: so I think he would have a pretty good idea

866
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Speaker 2: of what Aaron's thinking.

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Speaker 3: There sure doesn't seem to be any panic from Steeler

868
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: Land or Rogers Land. Yeah, so that's where we're at.

869
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Speaker 3: See where it goes. Two weeks out from the draft.

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Speaker 3: We didn't do Twitter Thursday today. That's been a good

871
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: tradition forgot all about it today just dawned on here man, Okay,

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00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: Friday days, Yeah, me too. We'll Twitter Friday, Twitter Friday

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Speaker 3: up tomorrow. It's been a smashing success.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, okay, but anyways, that's going to do it

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Speaker 2: for today's show. So or my partner Matt Williamson, for

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Speaker 2: Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller hotline

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Speaker 2: and coming up with the theme for the Dean of Doom.

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Speaker 2: And for Tyler Viitmeyer here making sure our video gets

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Speaker 2: out there onto YouTube. Give us a thumbs up there.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate that. Tell us how dumb we are or

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Speaker 2: how smart we are, whatever.

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Speaker 3: We try to be.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lollie. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.