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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told you From House top

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And Caroline I prepared so thoroughly

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Speaker 1: for this episode on women and surfing that I went

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Speaker 1: to Hawaii. I went. I went to the homeland of surfing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've I've always admired your commitment to Okay,

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Speaker 1: granted it, it wasn't for stuff I've never told you,

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Speaker 1: but I did just get back from Hawaii, and I

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Speaker 1: was so excited to see that surfing was next up

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Speaker 1: on our podcast calendar, because I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: was just there. And by the way, listeners in Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: because I know you're out there and we're gonna read

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Speaker 1: a letter from one of you at the end of

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Speaker 1: the episode. I am in love with your state. I

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Speaker 1: where did you marry it? Well, because I can't unfortunately. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then which island would I pick? You know, if

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Speaker 1: you married Hawaii, would you be marrying all of the

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Speaker 1: islands or would you have to you know, just marry

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Speaker 1: Mauie or um. Anyway, Yeah, I had never been to

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Speaker 1: Hawaii before, and it just blew my mind constantly, as

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Speaker 1: did seeing people surf. How about that transition, Caroline Um.

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Speaker 1: When my husband denied were on the Big Island, we

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Speaker 1: ended up at a park renowned for its surfing. And

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Speaker 1: I just never seen waves like that, and then to

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Speaker 1: see people intentionally running out into them. Uh, it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of mind blowing. Partly partly because I'm a horrible swimmer.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I surfing terrifies me. And I say

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Speaker 1: that as someone who's never done. But I look at

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Speaker 1: pictures of people and I'm like, how how how are

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Speaker 1: you staying on the board? Like I slip on like

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Speaker 1: concrete in shoes, So how how can I stay on

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Speaker 1: a surfboard? Also, I will now forever and always have

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Speaker 1: in my head and I know this is ridiculous, but

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Speaker 1: still the sight and sound of Kate Bosworth's character and

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Speaker 1: blue Crush crack in her head on the rock underwater,

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Speaker 1: and I just like, I can't even I'll be I'll

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Speaker 1: be in the in the calm waters off of the

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Speaker 1: coast of Georgia, like bobbing around in the salt water,

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Speaker 1: and I think of that, and I'm like, I better

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Speaker 1: paddle back. Yeah, Getty seeing that now, like firsthand, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I had seen surfing before. But I feel like surfing

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Speaker 1: in you know, the East coast of the United States

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Speaker 1: like doesn't really count. Um, but seeing it for real now,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a bucketless thing to just stand on a surfboard.

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Speaker 1: If I can do that, I'll be happy. My sister

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Speaker 1: can surf, yeah, which is pretty cool. You have to brag.

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Speaker 1: You know what we should have done because for our

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Speaker 1: Ladies Skateboarding episode, we recorded audio of of both of

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Speaker 1: us failing at being on a skateboard. I could I

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Speaker 1: could get on a surfboard and recreate that at a

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Speaker 1: more extreme level. Let's go to the beach. Extreme sminty extreme. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just me screaming, screaming and then gurgling because I'm underwater.

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Speaker 1: Well before, um, you hypothetically drowned totally. Okay, let's drag

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Speaker 1: you back to the beach and let's talk about women

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Speaker 1: and surfing in the history of surfing, because there's some

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Speaker 1: fascinating stuff also some terrible stuff. It's like basically yet

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Speaker 1: another lesson in white people being kind of awful. Um.

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Speaker 1: But for a quick stat just to kind of keep

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Speaker 1: in mind where we're at with women surfing today. From

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Speaker 1: the statistics I could find um in Thees women made

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Speaker 1: up just five person of surfers. My sister surfing. It's

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Speaker 1: a statistically pretty rare thing. But now it's over so

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Speaker 1: there are more women surfing than ever before in in

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Speaker 1: this era. Um. Although if we go back to the Polynesians, UM,

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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of years ago, it would be like

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Speaker 1: it's pretty much it wasn't It wasn't a thing. Women

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Speaker 1: Polynesians as early as two thousand b C. According to

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Speaker 1: surf historian Ben Finney UM and that was sited in

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Speaker 1: the History of Surfing by Matt Warshaw. So basically that

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Speaker 1: means that surfing has existed in Hawaii ever since Polynesians

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Speaker 1: first settled in that gorgeous archipelago. Oh yes, it is

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Speaker 1: so gorgeous. Yeah. And by twelve hundred and that's a

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Speaker 1: d that's a long, a long time ago. Uh. Surfing

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Speaker 1: was totally a community wide pastime and passion in Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: and a nineteenth century Hawaiian scholars said, all thought of

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Speaker 1: this the nineteenth century white scholar? I think so? Um,

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Speaker 1: And to say that all day there's nothing but surfing

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Speaker 1: symbols because this was not just something that beach bums did. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: This was, as Jack London would famously right, the sport

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Speaker 1: of kings and queen's that's right, because both men and

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Speaker 1: I could just picture I can picture myself right now

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Speaker 1: all the other things i'd be screaming. Well, speaking of

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Speaker 1: James Cook, the infamous James Cook who royally screwed Hawaii. Um.

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Speaker 1: He recounted in his diaries seeing women's surfing as eagerly

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Speaker 1: of course, that's scandalized the Calvinists missionaries who showed up

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428
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Speaker 1: The l A Times a couple of years ago about

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Speaker 1: sexism in the surfing industry, Matt Warshaw said, the sport

455
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: has had a long, fairly shameful history of sexism and

456
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: it's still not over. And a lot of it, I

457
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: think has to do with how the girl culture was

458
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: quickly commodified, and it's somewhat has to do with the

459
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: lasting image of Gidget, who, yes, in a lot of

460
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: ways could be seen as an empowering figure, but she

461
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: was also a conventionally attractive, thin, blonde girl. You know

462
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: who you know. Fast forward to two thousand two and

463
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: she's Kate Bosworth and Blue Crush. Yeah, you've got to

464
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: be cute and little and wearing a little string bikini.

465
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: And that's the image, like we were saying, like, that's

466
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: the image that has served up to consumers of what

467
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: a girls surfer is supposed to look like. Yeah, because

468
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're gonna if you're gonna do this

469
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: guy thing, you need to need to look sexy for

470
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: us while you're doing it. You know, Yeah, I've all

471
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: just rolled out of my head. But if we look

472
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: at competitive surfing, UM one big issue which has come

473
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: up in pretty much every sport there has been Um

474
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: there's a wage gap. So although some competitions have leveled

475
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: their winnings for male and female competitions. UM in Nursia

476
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: magazine reported that women took home just twenty of the

477
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: pro surfing money in nine That number increased to a

478
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: whopping in two thousand eleven. Yeahen, the World Surfly did

479
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: announce prize money parity for male and female winners. But

480
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't I think they're in the minority, correct, Like,

481
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: it's still it's still very unequal um And a lot

482
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: of the issue around making money comes down to sponsorships

483
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: because these brands who sponsor surfing competitions and individual surfers

484
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: want marketable women, and that means looking like a model,

485
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: being a model, looking like a Kate Bosworth UM, and

486
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: also performing a very specific type of straight femininity UM.

487
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: For instance, in uh Rad, Lady Jodie Cooper became the

488
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: first pro surfer to come out. But there are so

489
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: many other surfer women who say that they have to

490
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: stay in the closet or at least try to appear

491
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: more feminine and straight to stay sponsored, because it can

492
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars if you

493
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: don't have a sponsor to pursue this as your whole life,

494
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: your lifestyle, And who was that you were telling me

495
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: about who talked about guys specifically on the beach yelling

496
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: homophobic slurs at her to throw her off her surfing game. Yeah,

497
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: so Claire Sullivan. Not Claire Sullivan, but Claire Sullivan wrote

498
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: a piece for one of these surfing websites that we

499
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: were looking at, and she anonymously quoted a whole bunch

500
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: of women because the whole issue is these women are

501
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: at the top of their game and they don't want

502
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: to be out it because they don't want to lose

503
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: their sponsorships. And she talked to a woman who said, yeah,

504
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's ridiculous. I uh, you know, I had

505
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: a girlfriend at the time, and guys before competitions would

506
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: be screaming homophobic things at me to throw me off

507
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: my game. And at this point, listeners, I like turned

508
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: to Christen as I'm reading this, and I'm just going like,

509
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: who cares? Not about the homophobia. We should care about

510
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: the homophobia, but who who cares about people being gay?

511
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: You know? And I understand that my viewpoint isn't the

512
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: viewpoint that everyone shares, but it's like, who cares if

513
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: she's a lesbian or bisexual or whatever. I mean, is

514
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: she a good surfer? But it so goes back to

515
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: the issue of marketability because pro surfing is so entwined,

516
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: according to Claire Sullivan and the women that she interviewed,

517
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: with surfing cultures, marketability and women's events draw a smaller crowd,

518
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: which means smaller funding. And then you have the issue

519
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: of surfing media, so magazine's websites and all of that

520
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: feeding off of ads from those sponsors who want the

521
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: girls and women to look super sexy. And this just

522
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: furthers the massive stigma that exists around anyone who doesn't

523
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: look like a Kidget or a k Bosworth. If you

524
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: are a gay, athletic looking woman, you're so outside of

525
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: the bounds of what the media is telling you you

526
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: should look like. Well, or even a straight woman who

527
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: prefers to wear a wetsuit. God forbid, a woman wants

528
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: to wear something that like if she hits a big

529
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: wave or falls in the water, like her bottoms don't

530
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: come off with it. Yeah. I just bought um one

531
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: pieces specifically for Hawaii because I knew that I would

532
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: be in uh wavier water for lack of a better descriptor,

533
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: and Yeah, bikini tops just come right off, which in

534
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: some places and why that's totally fine, But but I

535
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: wanted something that would just like stay in place. And

536
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, swimming in a one pieces is

537
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of liberating in its own way because I don't

538
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: have to worry about my boob's fallen out anymore. Yeah,

539
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I pretty much only exclusively wear them now. I love,

540
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I do love. We are becoming on mother's It's fine.

541
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: It makes peeing harder, but you know whatever, Well, I mean,

542
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: that's why you just pee in the pool anyway, Caroline. Oh,

543
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I do not be in the pool. I'm never going

544
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: swimming to a pool with you swimming to a pool.

545
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm never swimming to a pool. I'm never swimming in

546
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: a pool with you anyway. But moving away from my

547
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: pool ping, my alleged pool being I believe you don't.

548
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: Don't thank you, Caroline, You don't strike me as a

549
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: pool pier. Well that's why I wear my swim diapers,

550
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But going back to the bikinis and

551
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: surfing thing, which I'm sure there are some women who

552
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: serve in bikinis and absolutely love it, but apparently, like

553
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, different, competitors like to wear different things. Shot understandable. Um,

554
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: I think it was the l a time, saying that

555
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: there was one surfer who was sponsored I believe by Roxy,

556
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: and she ended up parting ways with them because she

557
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: was complaining that they would pressure her to wear their

558
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: bikinis in competitions, um, which she said was just made

559
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: it harder for her to surf. Now. Of course Roxy

560
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: uh denied that they would pressure her to do anything

561
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: like that, saying, well, of course we would want her

562
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: to wear our line, but saying that it's a bikini,

563
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: now that's you know, a whole other thing. Um. But

564
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I believe the surfer, you know, because if you look

565
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: at um, a lot of surf media in the same

566
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: way as you see with skateboarding, a lot of times,

567
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: the women featured in the bigger media are very sexy,

568
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, very sexily portrayed. And another downside to the

569
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: lasting holdover of the blonde, thin, straight, um and bustier

570
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: gidget ideal is that it also erases the diversity within surfing,

571
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: not only in terms of sexual orientation, but also I mean,

572
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: it just whitewashes the whole thing. I mean, there was

573
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: even a documentary called whitewash them that focused on surfers

574
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: of color because so many black people in particular who

575
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: surf um reported in this documentary being made fun of

576
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: constantly by people who are like, what are you doing here?

577
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: You don't surf like I mean, And that goes back

578
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: to just stereotypes too, about um African American people and swimming.

579
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's like stereotypes on stereotypes, and then

580
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: if you are a woman of color who surfs, I mean,

581
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: forget about it. People just like it does not compute

582
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: in people's brains. But it's just because of these images

583
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times that are fed even though again,

584
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: like you said, Caroline, it's ironic because it started as

585
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: such an egalitarian sport. And speaking of images, like so

586
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: many times when we see photo spreads of female surfers,

587
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: whether they're pros or amateurs, a lot of times those

588
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: photospreads aren't even showing them actually surfing. They're showing them,

589
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, mostly naked, you know, rolling around in the

590
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: sand or in the shower or something like that. And

591
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: a lot of pro women have have really take an

592
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: issue with that and saying like, okay, we get that

593
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna like sexualize female surfers because that's just what

594
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: the media are doing. But you seriously can't even show

595
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: her doing her job well in some women, some surfers

596
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: make their name that way, you know. I mean, they're

597
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: just like cursory Google searches um to get the research

598
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: for this episode started turned up so many like x

599
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: number of sexiest or hottest girls in surfing, same way

600
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: as it was with skateboarding. But when I was looking

601
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: up a few names over at the Encyclopedia of Surfing website,

602
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: which is fantastic, which you should check out listeners, um

603
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: if you're interested in the topic. It's very comprehensive and

604
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: just a visual delight. Um. But I was looking up

605
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: pros including Maya Gabarra, Laura and Eva and a Llana Blanchard,

606
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: and all of their Encyclopedia of Surfing entries immediately kind

607
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: of describe them as like known as a really sexy surfer,

608
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, she's posed in Maxim or g Q or Playboy.

609
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is um definitely a part of the

610
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: industry for for some athletes. I mean, but that to

611
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: me also speaks to the bigger issue of female athletes

612
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: and media and the sexualization thereof and not getting paid

613
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: as much as the guy. So maybe if you can

614
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: make money posing for Playboy, then ellipses. But we have

615
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: some good news, Yes we do, because if we travel

616
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: to places where like Hawaii pre James Cook, we're surfing

617
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: is like a brand new thing and there are no

618
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: like gender norms attached to that surfboard. Yet again it

619
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: becomes this egalitarian and even liberating sport for young women. Yeah.

620
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: One great example is the Brown Girls Surf Collective that

621
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: was started by Isheita Malivia in India. She's India's first

622
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: female surfer and she learned how to surf from American yogis,

623
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: but was often taunted for her tan skin while surfing. Yeah, because,

624
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: as we talked about in our Colorism episode, UM, to

625
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: intentionally have tanner skin would be more unheard of. Um.

626
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: But Malivia loved surfing so much and found it so

627
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: empowering she didn't care and is now more of a

628
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: surf evangelist. Um. You also have in Iran an Irish

629
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: competitive surfer named Dr Easki Britton who essentially brought women's

630
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: surfing to Iran. And you might be wondering, wait, how

631
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: are Iranian women's surfing answer surfing jobs, Yes, they exist.

632
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: There are actual clothing companies that make like uh like

633
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: modest swimwear UM for Muslim women. UM. But Britain co

634
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: founded Waves of Freedom, which is a nonprofit that uses

635
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: surfing to break down gender boundaries. Although workshops are open

636
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: to women and men, but of course on an Iranian beach,

637
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: the men and women would be learning to surf separately. Yeah,

638
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and it's so interesting to read about um this sport

639
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: being introduced as a thing that girls and women do

640
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: and having boys approach her and be like, well, this

641
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: looks really cool. Can I do it? Because they have

642
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: only seen it through that lens of it being something

643
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: that women do. And one of the interviewers asked her

644
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: about what the basically like the cultural police in Iran,

645
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: what their response has into it, because you know, they

646
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: cracked down on you can't wear this or say this

647
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: or do this whatever. And she says that the police

648
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: came down to the beach, they saw that the women

649
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: were training on one end, the men were training on

650
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: the other. The women were fully covered literally from head

651
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: to toe, uh, full wetsuits, heads covered, even wearing a

652
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: type of skirt and they were like, well, okay, yeah,

653
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: just uh proceed well, And in an interview with Broadly

654
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: Britain was saying like, how there are no rules, you know,

655
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: so they're almost redefining the sport because no one had

656
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: ever done it before. UM. And a similar thing has

657
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: happened in Bangladesh where you have Australian Rashad Alam who

658
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: has moved to Bangladesh and is a surfer and also

659
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: a lifeguard, who has taught a group of girls in

660
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Southern Bank Ladesh to surf and really just witnessed the

661
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: confidence that it quickly built in them, similar to what

662
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: we've seen and read about with U Skate to San

663
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: the skateboarding nonprofit in Afghanistan that focuses on teaching girls

664
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: how to skateboard. UM And in two thousand eight, Alarm

665
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: started Coxes Bizarre Surf Club to help I guess get

666
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: other of these girls who often like are are from

667
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: very very very poor families and would usually have to

668
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: spend their days um working to you know, earn money

669
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: for their family. So he it was also this process

670
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: of having to talk to the parents sort of convinced

671
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: them that this was something worthwhile for their daughters. To do,

672
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: because it's also in teaching them lifeguarding skills and CPR

673
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: skills as well, giving these girls like newer dreams that

674
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: they had never had before, new possibilities of things that

675
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: they could possibly do with their lives. Right, and I

676
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: mean just the empowerment you get from participating in athletics

677
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: and sports and learning that you have this power to

678
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: be able to move your body and be strong and

679
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: succeed in something new and scary. I'm still saying it's

680
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: scary for for me, I need to be empowered. If

681
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: like eleven year old girls in Bangladesh can do like Caroline,

682
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: maybe we can. Right, I'll sit on the board and

683
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: just float there in a swimming pool sounds good, not

684
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: a pool that I'm in apparently, as long as you're

685
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: wearing your pool diaper. Now, before we close out the podcast,

686
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: so we do want to highlight three wahinis, which is

687
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian term for lady surfer, that we think you

688
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: should know about, to kind of help bring this timeline

689
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: that we've gone over to life. And also I mean

690
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: to give these ladies their druthers. Yeah, I mean all

691
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: these names are new to me, I will admit, including

692
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: Linda Benson's which it shouldn't be new to me because

693
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: she's the champion and godmother of surfing. Basically in our

694
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: modern era, she starts surfing. She's from California, and she

695
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: started surfing at eleven, and her fifteenth year was a

696
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: huge one for her, which I'm sure mine was too,

697
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: but for probably different reasons. Um. She entered the first

698
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: competition at the West Coast Surfing Championships, and one a

699
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: few weeks later, she became the youngest surfer to win

700
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: the Macaha International Surf Championships, and just a few weeks

701
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: after that, she became the first woman to surf the

702
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: massive eighteen foot breaks at Wymia Bay. I can't imagine

703
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. Yeah, I was such a brat still

704
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure, Like I'm pretty sure I

705
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: was still just but who knows, Maybe that would have

706
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: made me a better surfer, like out of my way?

707
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: Just g tfo Is that a good thing? Okay? Yes?

708
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: Well then yes, sure she had pluck that gidget. Um.

709
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: But Benson ended up being a five time US champion

710
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and a one time international champion, and in nineteen sixty three,

711
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: she was the first woman on the cover of surf

712
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Guide magazine cover line Linda Benson World's Greatest, but then

713
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: kind of a sad turn her story. She dropped out

714
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: of surfing in nineteen sixty nine because of addiction, but

715
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: then she returned in nineteen seventy nine, and she actually

716
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: referred to surfing as artistic expression, which makes sense to

717
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: me as like a complete, you know, ignoramus when it

718
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: comes to surfing, because I mean, just look at what

719
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: those people are doing with their boards and their bodies.

720
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: It totally feels like a form of artistic expression. Um, okay,

721
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: So woman number two, who's awesome. We've got Rel's son.

722
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: She's Hawaii surf queen. Her middle name means heart of

723
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: the sea, so she was faded faded to be a

724
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: surf for her. She was born in nineteen fifty in Oahu,

725
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: started surfing at the age of four, which is an

726
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: adorable mental image, and at just sixteen won the Hawaiian

727
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Junior Championship and was invited to the nineteen sixty six

728
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: World Championships, which wasn't the nineteen sixty six World champ

729
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Not young that guy that I can't stand? Oh wow,

730
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: full circle. Caroline just swiveled her neck listeners. Um. She

731
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: took a five year break and maybe a little over

732
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: five year break when she moved to Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Your

733
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: your middle name literally means part of the sea, and

734
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: you moved to Oklahoma while she got married. No surprise,

735
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: it did not work out because Rall's son belonged in Hawaii.

736
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: So she moved back there, hit the waves and became

737
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: the world's best long border and What's surfing magazine called

738
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: the sports premier stylist. Um. And one reason why Rall's

739
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: son is considered Hawaii's surf queen is be because she

740
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: was just so beloved for embodying hawaiis what's called they're

741
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: Aloha spirit in the sport. Um. And that's not just

742
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: some like touristy thing. I mean it really is. Um,

743
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: this idea of hospitality and warmth um. Wearing all those

744
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: airbrush t shirts exactly. Um. And I was so glad

745
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: Caroline to run across rayel Sun because the sport has

746
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: been so co opted from its Hawaiian roots. Yes, yes,

747
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: exactly um. And in nine she was one of the

748
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: women involved in co founding the Women's Professional Surfing Association

749
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: and the first professional Women's World Tour, and not only

750
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: was she a supporter of other Wahine, she was also

751
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: a supporter of her fellow Hawaiian surfers, founding a competition,

752
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: the Mahune Contest, which was exclusively open to Hawaiian kids.

753
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: And this woman continued surfing even after being diagnosed with

754
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: breast cancer in three and she continued surfing right up

755
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: until she passed away in just forty seven years old.

756
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want to say that she

757
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: was even undergoing radiation treatment and would still hit the

758
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: beach every day. Well, if you've got something that you

759
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: feel is like healing on a soul level, I mean,

760
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you well, And we have to remember too that,

761
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, surfing was a spiritual sport, you know, in

762
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: a spiritual pastime in Hawaii, So I wonder if that

763
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: had a tie in with it as well. Yeah, I'm

764
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: sure if you're not scared of water and surfing, it's

765
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: very healing, she says nervously. Well, and Lisa Anderson finally

766
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: are our third woman we wanted to bring to your attention.

767
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: Lisa Anderson is the original Oxy Girl and basically she's

768
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: surfing's first female celebrity. She began surfing at thirteen when

769
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: her family moved to Florida, and then she ran away

770
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles after her father destroyed her surfboard. Yeah.

771
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: I think she had a pretty uh not not cool

772
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: home life. Yeah sounds like it. But she turned pro.

773
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: It's seventeen, so so she was a badass, and her

774
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: global rankings gradually grew during the late eighties, and she

775
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: basically pursued her Her effort was to pursue surfing like

776
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: a guy her her words, Yeah, being tough, being aggressive

777
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: on the waves, and not just like you said, uh,

778
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: doing what everybody assumes women do, which is just pursuing

779
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: the more stylistic aspect. And it's no surprise that she

780
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: was such a celebrity because from nine to which you know,

781
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: the heyday of this mainstreamed surf style, she snagged four

782
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: world championships, and she won the first one five weeks

783
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: after giving birth. My head just exploded. I don't know

784
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: what giving birth is like, but I know how tough

785
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: it was for me to get an iu D and

786
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to surf after that. Um. She also

787
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: snagged a Surfer magazine cover. She was the first woman

788
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: on there by the Way in fifteen years and the

789
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: cover line was Lisa Anderson surfs better than You. And

790
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: apparently that was like a wink to the fact that

791
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: like pretty much all of those subscribers were dudes, and

792
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, guys, girls better than you. Well,

793
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: in around the same time that in Marietta, Georgia, Caroline

794
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Irvan was getting all of those Roxy catalogs. Uh, Lisa

795
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Anderson became their face and she really helped popularize their

796
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: board shorts. And this is when you see also, this

797
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: is you know, the era we talked about where corporations

798
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: were super getting in on their new consumer base women

799
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: um and uh. Corey Schumacher, writing for Cooler mag writes

800
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: about how this shift that Lisa Anderson was a part

801
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: of ushering in ignited a wildfire of all girls surf schools,

802
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: girls surf movies, and female surf lifestyle clothing lines across

803
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: surf brands. And they also talk about how the you know,

804
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: California surfer girls weren't necessarily afraid of consumerism. And I

805
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: don't mean that to sound as like weird and kind

806
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: of patronizing as it might sound, but that they were

807
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: literally like, no, I want the gear to be able

808
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: to do the sport that I want to do, and

809
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: so yeah, if you want to market to me, bring

810
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: it on. Unfortunately, back problems basically deflated Anderson's career, but

811
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: Surfer magazine still named her one of its twenty five

812
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: most influential Surfers of the century, and also on that list, Gidget.

813
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: That's right, she was number seven. And it is kind

814
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: of ironic, Caroline, considering the enduring sexism of the sport

815
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: and really the the industry around the sport. Um is

816
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: the fact that in mid century American pop culture, it

817
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: was a girl that really, you know, brought the tidal

818
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: wave of attention to surfing, and it was not. It

819
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: really wasn't that long after Gidget emerged in pop culture

820
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: that Nat Young said girl shouldn't surf because they would

821
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: make fools of themselves. That is how short our collective

822
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: memories are, that we can't remember a time when surfing

823
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: was egalitarian and when women were right there alongside their

824
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: their kings because of whitewashing. Just like the documentary name listeners.

825
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Now we're curious to hear whatever surfing insights you have, Mom.

826
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: Stuff at house, stuffworks dot com is our email address.

827
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: You can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast or

828
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: messages on Facebook, and we got a couple of messages

829
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: to share with you right now. So I have a

830
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: letter here from another Christian uh talking about our STD episode.

831
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: She says, my husband and I were over the moon

832
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: to learn that we were expecting our first child a

833
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: few years ago. At my first doctor appointment for the pregnancy,

834
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: several tests were performed to determine my health and the

835
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: health of my newly conceived baby. The next day, I

836
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: got a call from the nurse who had a very

837
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: shaming tone at my doctor's office and was told that

838
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: I attested positive for chlamydia. This is a major shock

839
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: and sent me into a whirlwind of confusion and hurt.

840
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Since my husband and I were and still are, very

841
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: happily married and monogamous, the only way this could have

842
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: happened is if my husband had been unfaithful. I confronted

843
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: him with this and he insisted that was not true,

844
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: and he was just as confused and hurt as I was.

845
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: After doing some research that same day, I learned that

846
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: false positives for chlamydia and pregnant women are not unheard of.

847
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: I became convinced that this had to be the case

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Speaker 1: for myself and my husband. I called the nurse back

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Speaker 1: and insisted that I be retested. She was very dismissive

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Speaker 1: test was a false positive, she didn't go so far

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Speaker 1: as to apologize for the shame and judgment she threw

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Speaker 1: my way. The fact that false positives for STDs and

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Speaker 1: pregnant women are so common was surprising to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: thankful that I trusted in my relationship and my husband.

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Speaker 1: What's that phrase? Trust but verify? Thanks so much, and

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Speaker 1: thank you, Kristen, and I think that's some valuable stuff

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Speaker 1: to pass along to our listeners, because not only you know,

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Speaker 1: do we want to encourage you to handle the situation

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Speaker 1: when your health care provider is shaming you, but we

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Speaker 1: also want you to know that false positives are a

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Speaker 1: thing that can happen, so don't be afraid to trust

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Speaker 1: and verify. Well, I've got a letter here from Julie

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Speaker 1: subject line tanning in Hawaii, so of course I had

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Speaker 1: to read it this episode. Julie writes I'm a new

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Speaker 1: listener to the show, and I really enjoy it. I

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Speaker 1: finally got around to listening to the Tanning Podcast after

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Speaker 1: hearing it reference in several pieces of listener mail. Currently,

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Speaker 1: I live in Honolulu, which has a very complex history

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Speaker 1: tone and tanning. I'd be remisst to try to explain

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Speaker 1: that background in a shortish email. Just know that there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of different cultures represented here and some

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Speaker 1: lingering resentment depending on who you ask at not being

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Speaker 1: an independent nation led by the Hawaiian monarchy. That being said,

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Speaker 1: as a California raised white chick, let me take a

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Speaker 1: stab at my own observations of tanning in the Aloha state.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a tanning salon or spray tan facility here,

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Speaker 1: but they probably exist. It's pretty much assumed if you're

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Speaker 1: in Hawaii, you're tanning on the beach or pool side,

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Speaker 1: or just getting tanned by the sheer power of the sun.

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Speaker 1: I don't see being tan or not tan as a

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Speaker 1: socioeconomic issue here. It's more of an outsider versus local issue.

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Speaker 1: Just from my own personal experience and observations. Having a

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Speaker 1: tan here is a symbol of belonging as a haola

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Speaker 1: or why chick being tan is a way to show

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Speaker 1: that I'm not some random person who just flew in

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Speaker 1: from the mainland. Not being tanned shows that someone isn't local.

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Speaker 1: A few months back, my picture was in the newspaper

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Speaker 1: and one of my friends immediately commented, you need to

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Speaker 1: work on your dan. It's definitely an interesting dynamic in Hawaiian,

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Speaker 1: very different from what I experienced growing up hasty as

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Speaker 1: can be in NorCal so I thought i'd share. On

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Speaker 1: a related side note, I work as an editor out

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Speaker 1: He said that my beautiful tan hashtag humble Bragg was

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that insight, Julie Um And I

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Speaker 1: will say that when I arrived in Hawaii, I definitely

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Speaker 1: stood out because of my blindingly white skin. So now,

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